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Its more likley that Al-Qaeda is a myth created by the CIA that allowed us to attack Afganastan and IRAQ
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7787

Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".

Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat's Fatah movement. .According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), "The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority" in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. "They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad."

The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an "Islamic University" in Gaza. "The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza." At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel's intelligence agency Mossad (Israel's Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks) , the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression.

In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada ('uprising') began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): "God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution", proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization.

Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin's death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.

The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections.

Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison ("on humanitarian grounds") where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords. Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

Liu Xiaobo is not about 'peace', he is a proponent of radical Capitalism, that's his crime. Personally I think we need a lot more of his ilk in jails here in the West, but they run the place!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=GOW20101015&articleId=21467

Easy one. This might help. Avoiding interfering with and destabilizing other countries may go a long way. Above all you do not reward a nuclear proliferating dictatorship country with WMDs, with billions of dollars worth of military aid, while invading another on the same pretext. Especially if the said country has been where the principal architect of the 911 originated from, and one which had launched terrorist attacks repeatedly on its neighbor country.

Easy one. This might help. Avoiding interfering with and destabilizing other countries may go a long way. Above all you do not reward a nuclear proliferating dictatorship country with WMDs, with billions of dollars worth of military aid, while invading another on the same pretext. Especially if the said country has been where the principal architect of the 911 originated from, and one which had launched terrorist attacks repeatedly on its neighbor country.

No, really, it's all politics, not religion.

The reason inflation has been tiny to non-existent is because all that printed money has yet to hit circulation.

It's circulating in other economies and starting to hit commodities.

NATO's Doomsday Seed Vault in the Arctic Using "Climate Change" as a Pretext to Appropriate World Seeds' Treasure by F. William Engdahl http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10300

Except if the genes are already "discovered" by nature, which I read some story about bred pigs from a farm which had a gene from the breeding but Monsato patented the gene. The story is here http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2480

Take patent application WO 2005/017204. This refers to pigs in which a certain gene sequence related to faster growth is detected. This is a variation on a natural occurring sequence -- Monsanto didn't invent it. It was first identified in mice and humans.

Than of course are the patent infringement issues if the neighbor of a farm using Monsanto's patented seeds and some seed are landing on his farm by wind. You can't tell the difference until you send the genome to a laboratory to test, and until then you are selling Monsanto's "intellectual property".

Not to knock you, but can you cite the water plant destruction for me? I've heard of this else place but I've never seen it documented (first I heard of it was.... 2007?) So some sort of citation would be nice. Just curious. Thanks!

This was the first thing I found when I googled it, My actual source originally (I referred to this below) was from a book of collected journalists work, called "Tell me no Lies" By John Pilger

Visiting Iraq in the wake of war [1991] UN Under Secretary-General reported that the effects of the bombing of infrastructure were 'near apocalyptic'. Twenty-eight hospitals had been hit, along with major water and sewage facilities, all eight of Iraq's hydropower dams and grain storage silos and irrigation systems.

Date in square braces added by me for clarification

Why shouldn't the voting system be any less corrupt than the candidates?

My point is it's going to take a lot more than an election to clean house on the hill, and even then it's an uphill battle to keep the country from sliding into a full-fledged military dictatorship, instead of the secret one it already is. For example when a military can get away with firing radioactive weaponry into civilian populations on at least two occasions without so much as a slap on the wrist, they are above the UN, much less their own government, and democracy has long since left the building.

4chan / Anon should start a campaign called "operation fearstorm" in which local crimestoppers and FBI tip lines are flooded with anonymous terrorism and pedophile suspicions of random citizens, or perhaps the families of law enforcement, local politicians, and the clergy.

Mainstream media coverage of the fiasco will show just how stupid and bust-desperate the Feds are. And, of course, the most dangerous are the informants and provocateurs working for the feds. They should be rounded up and beaten brutally.

So yes, they are attempting to have us believe that 'some one else' at least will be responsible for the deaths of these informants.

Yes, you're definitely confused about what a false flag operation means, and why it doesn't apply to the scenario you're describing. False flag requires secrecy on the part of the entity who engages in the operation, allowing them to create the belief in the public that another entity (government, government agency, the illuminati, whoever) actually performed the operation in question.

The Pentagon saying that "The Taliban" killed these people because "Julian Assange" leaked their names lacks the element of subterfuge and misdirection required for it to be a false flag - a false flag operation would require the Pentagon to put people in Taliban uniforms and send those people to go kill the informants themselves, and then if they really wanted to be good, arrange for video from a Predator showing those "Taliban" guys getting shredded by a bomb, but miraculously, notes from the Wikileaks entry survived incineration - thus "proving" to the public that, a) the Taliban did it; b) Assange helped them by identifying ; and c) they're the good guys because they killed the people who killed informants.

That's false flag. Simply accusing someone of an act without evidence isn't. Accusing someone of something when "BobMcD don't believe it for a second!" isn't, either. There's a difference.

You're doing it again.

Doing what again, Bob? Asking you to stop being a hypocrite? Guilty as charged. I'd love for you to simply say on the record that if Assange is going to make accusations of crimes being committed, he should be held to the exact same standard as anybody else - namely, that he should provide some supporting evidence for his accusations, or be criticized as a sensationalist media manipulator for making baseless accusations.

Did you likewise miss how our own money was used to attack NATO forces? Isn't abetting terrorism on the list of 'bad things' to do?

First, this wasn't "revealed" by the wikileaks documentation, this was reported on at least as early as 2007: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2007/08/27/19232/iraqi-insurgents-taking-cut-of.html

Second, "bad things to do" =/= "war crimes".

Involving civilian deaths: Again, already known, already reported, at least 6 months ago: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18001

And the particular civilian deaths would have to be *shown* to be a war crime, not just "unreported," because there is nothing in the Geneva conventions that says the death has to be reported. If there is evidence that any of these deaths was in fact criminal, i.e., they violated the laws of war, not just your sense of propriety about what "acceptable" levels of collateral damage are, then you need to cite that data, not just say "underreporting is a crime." Because it's not.

This is yet another tangent that I'm sorry I brought up, but if you feel there were genuinely no revelations in the data, then I have to begin to be suspicious of your motives. You've ruled out 'discussion' a while back.

Bob, I've been trying to discuss with you this entire time. You have been - figuratively - putting your fingers in your ears and humming in response. If it makes you feel better to believe that I'm immune to reason, that's your deal, not mine. You have not presented anything but speculation and opinion, and maintained that your speculation and opinion should be given the weight of facts. Again, that's your deal.

Cheers.

here is a citation but I became aware of the Bush-Nazi link due to an article in the LA times.

They are also into putting family farms out of business[0] and monopolizing future food stocks[1]. Overly fussy? screw you monsanto. frickin crooks.

[0] - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/26/eveningnews/main4048288.shtml
[1] - http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529

Fuller quote:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHU407A.html, repeated at wikipedia

Winston S. Churchill: departmental minute (Churchill papers: 16/16) 12 May 1919 War Office

I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.

        I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.

The "It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses" passage is ambiguous; I see how it can be read to leave deadly gasses as an option, as well as how it can be read to exclude deadly gas.

Freedom isn't free --- as if corporate Amerika hasn't been financing both sides of every war, at least since WWI. What bloody freedom do you have, zombie consumertard?

And when and whom did you fight for said "freedom"?

I sincerely hope you aren't one of those "volunteer army" mental category six types? There's a sound reason why Jefferson promulgated the citizen-soldier concept -- so America wouldn't have all this super-sized debt, super-sized deficit spending, too many debt-financed billionaires, and crackers coming out the ying yang -- and all those life pukes who've retired from the SEALS or Delta to play bodyguards to the world's bloddiest totalitarian dictators!

It's people like you who believe history started yesterday.

Here's an interview you probably missed with everything else -- pay very close attention -- assuming you can focus on anything -- to Brzezinski's responses.

I will agree with you IF you concede that it's hypocritical to argue for "small government" and "free enterprise with no government oversight" and then ask for government to respond to a man made - or rather, enterprise made - disaster.

Katrina was a natural disaster. The federal government is supposed to have a plan in place. Who else is going to deal with it?

Gulf oil spill is a disaster created by free enterprise. Are you seriously arguing that every disaster created by any enterprise is the responsibility of the government? And you expect the government to not grow? Are they supposed to be prepared to clean up after every business that might make a mess?

I'm not saying that the federal government isn't responsible. I've responded elsewhere in this thread that I'm quite outraged that the government oversight failed. A massive failure of the government. But you can't even argue that if you also argue for "completely free enterprise" and "free market knows best". It's quite obvious it doesn't.

So, why the double standard? One was a natural disaster - something where the government is the only one with any responsibility. The other is a company fucking up - I don't want a government big enough to handle every company's fuck-ups. Can you imagine the size of the government that would be required to be able to handle the fuck-ups of every chemical, bio, construction, nuclear and what have you?

What if I wanted to create a company that was somehow going to extract energy from dormant volcano by tapping into the heat. Now should the government scale up in case I somehow manage to blow the top off of the volcano and unleash the lava? If you're saying yes.. imagine the government needing to be prepared in everything that any private enterprise engages in. And retaining people that are better equipped/trained in all those fields to be able to respond where the private enterprise failed. Do you realize what you're asking for? What I'm asking for is for government to maintain strict oversight so that I don't manage to unleash the lava and if I do, that I have the capacity to contain the situation. And if it appears that I couldn't, I shouldn't be allowed by the government.

Also, I pay taxes to keep the government running. If those tax dollars go towards the government preparedness for private enterprise fuckups, I will expect my share of the profits from every private enterprise. You can't have a private company that reaps the profits and then leaves the mess for the government (general publics tax dollars) to deal with.

What I want is free market with strict oversight - something this administration failed at. The response to the oil spill is BP's responsibility. Response to Katrina was a government responsibility. Hence the perceived dual standards.

Nobody is saying that EU countries didn't do anything bad. The reason Africa is in such a state is largely because of France, Belgium and the Dutch.

Your claim that the US stops contries from going into revolt is an outright fallacy though. The US purposefully destabilises countries so that they can install their own business-friendly governments. Here are some links:

Guyana
Venezuela
Jamaica, Libya, Grenada, Nicaragua

I can find you some more if you still don't believe me when you're done with them.

I was quoting the facts stated in the Youtube video (the TV series is called QI (Quite Interesting) which is broadcast in the UK on BBC and hosted by Stephen Fry)

A quick Google found me the webpage that was probably used to generate the statistics:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8289

In light of the above, I'd recommend the following article (and series) at Global Research: The Transnational Homeland Security State and the Decline of Democracy
( http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18676 )

There are two bits here, relevant to the "Super Simulation" being built by NSA - and the role of ordinary Internet activity and Social Networks in functioning as data-sources:

In November of 2007, Keith Olbermann interviewed Mark Klein on MSNBC, where Klein elaborated on the secret program, saying that virtually all internet traffic in the entire country was handed over to the NSA. He appeared on MSNBC at a time when Congress was debating whether or not to grant the telecom companies legal immunity for participating in the NSA program, which would thus shut down all pending legal action being taken against the companies for their involvement in the illegal program. Klein reflected on his job, saying that, "Here I am, being forced to connect the Big Brother machine."

and:

In September of 2003, Congress ended funding for the program. The media then hailed the TIA program as "dead and gone." Yet, the funding was cut for the specific program as envisaged under the umbrella of TIA. The various programs within TIA could continue as separate projects, with the full funding and support of Congress. ...
In 2006, it was revealed that TIA stopped "in name only" and in fact does live on, and it "was moved from the Pentagon's research-and-development agency to another group, which builds technologies primarily for the National Security Agency." Interestingly, "Two of the most important components of the TIA program were moved to the Advanced Research and Development Activity, housed at NSA headquarters in Fort Meade, Md." The program has heavy involvement from private defense and intelligence contractors, highly secretive corporations that get major contracts from US intelligence agencies to be able to undertake intelligence activities that aren't subjected to Congressional oversight.

An infallible method of conciliating a tiger is to allow oneself to be devoured.
-- Konrad Adenauer

Animal production farms are always associated with crop production farms where the manure is spread on fields as fertilizer. Landfills are full of trash, not animal waste (unless you count cat and dog feces).

Eh, maybe on good farms. On dense factory farms, the area of crops needed to consume the manure is so large, the distance that you'd need to transport the manure makes it prohibitively expensive. So they just hide the manure anywhere they can -- rivers, holding tanks, spraying it into the air.

In fact, Smithfield doesn't grow nearly enough crops to absorb all of its hog weight. The company raises so many pigs in so little space that it actually has to import the majority of their food, which contains large amounts of nitrogen and phosphorus. Those chemicals -- discharged in pig shit and sprayed on fields -- run off into the surrounding ecosystem, causing what Dan Whittle, a former senior policy associate with the North Carolina Department of Environment and Natural Resources, calls a "mass imbalance." At one point, three hog-raising counties in North Carolina were producing more nitrogen, and eighteen were producing more phosphorus, than all the crops in the state could absorb.

-- Pork's dirty secret, Rolling Stone

Although the wsj and the economist are good reads, they present the globalist/statist/looter viewpoints more often than not. You won't find much in the way of contrarian analysis at those sites, so you need some balance. Check out the market oracle http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/ and global research http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=home for some alternative views.

Saddam Hussein was exporting oil before we invaded in 2003.

Googling "Iraq oil Bourse" the first hit is this page.
I quote:

It is now obvious the invasion of Iraq had less to do with any threat from Saddam’s long-gone WMD program and certainly less to do to do with fighting International terrorism than it has to do with gaining control over Iraq’s hydrocarbon reserves and in doing so maintaining the U.S. dollar as the monopoly currency for the critical international oil market.

You see, Iraq had decided to sell their oil for Euros, not US Dollars. If this continued, and other oil-producing nations followed suit, it would have been very bad for the US economy.

I thought the tongue in cheek was pretty clear. Yesterday's Freedom Fighter is today's Islamo-Fascist Terrorist. Anyway...

I've read a bunch about what lead to the conflict in Afghanistan, even the interviews with Brzezinski on how the CIA plotted to draw Russia in. What is your source stating that the Afghan government told the Soviets that they didn't want support?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

January 1998

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

Brzezinski: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Participation in this war of agression is categorically a war-crime. Period.

It wasn't a crime to kill blacks in South Africa, at one time, either.

I offer two articles about Afghanistan. If this result not crime, it is only because the laws have been written by the oppressor.

Media Distortion: Killing Innocent Afghan Civilians to "Save Our Troops"
Eight Years of Horror Perpetrated agaisnt the people of Afghanistan
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15665

Photos of Civilians Injured by US/NATO Forces in Afghanistan
http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2009/10/19/photos-of-civilians-injured-by-us-nato-forces-in-afghanistan.html

Germans were hung for exactly comparable actions. If you remember, "Blitzkreig" was universally condemned as inhumane and a war against a population, not an army. Now, war against population - and the jet-age perfection of blitz methodology - is routinely justified. You are an apologist for atrocity.

Read that again. YOU are an apologist for ATROCITY. You DRINK the blood of children. Not directly - you get sloppy seconds off the sacrificial table of the baby-murderers. You kill you OWN mother, through others.

"The US government does have issues with corruption, but it's not any worse that most places."

I guess that you are not someone who reads books. I suggest that anyone who loves the U.S. do some serious research.

The U.S. has more people in prison than farmers. The U.S. has 6 times the percentage of its citizens in prison as European countries.

In the U.S., prisons are a big business.

Those who are not willing to do research cannot say they love the United States. Can you say you love a woman if you aren't interested in anything about her? Can you say you love a woman if you don't want to know anything about her that you don't like? Can you say you love a woman if you live in a fantasy world about who she really is?

Increase propaganda through FUD is pretty bad as well. In relation to the USA.

Regular Flu: Since January, more than 13,000 have died of complications from seasonal flu (April 2009)

Swine Flu: Since January, 10 reported deaths (May 2009)

In 1976, when 40 million people received the H1N1 vaccination over a period of a few months, the incidence of Guillain-Barre syndrome was about one out of 150,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain-Barr%C3%A9_syndrome

"The flu season is upon us. Which type will we worry about this year, and what kind of shots will we be told to take? Remember the swine flu scare of 1976? That was the year the U.S. government told us all that swine flu could turn out to be a killer that could spread across the nation, and Washington decided that every man, woman and child in the nation should get a shot to prevent a nation-wide outbreak, a pandemic." (Mike Wallace, CBS, 60 Minutes, November 4, 1979)

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14543

Old tricks with a new dog. Hope for Change. Got it. Is this administration just historically illiterate or are they up to something?

is that a fact?i think not. " Below are excerpts from a court case proving the Federal Reserve system's status. As you will see, the court ruled that the Federal Reserve Banks are "independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations", and there is not sufficient "federal government control over 'detailed physical performance' and 'day to day operation'" of the Federal Reserve Bank for it to be considered a federal agency: Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (1982) John L. Lewis, Plaintiff/Appellant, v. United States of America, Defendant/Appellee. No. 80-5905 United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit. Submitted March 2, 1982. Decided April 19, 1982. As Amended June 24, 1982. Plaintiff, who was injured by vehicle owned and operated by a federal reserve bank, brought action alleging jurisdiction under the Federal Tort Claims Act. The United States District Court for the Central District of California, David W. Williams, J., dismissed holding that federal reserve bank was not a federal agency within meaning of Act and that the court therefore lacked subject-matter jurisdiction. Appeal was taken. The Court of Appeals, Poole, Circuit Judge, held that federal reserve banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the Act, but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations. " http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8518

Yeah CCTV catches every nose pick, every ass scratch, every groin adjustment and potentially offers these images to the world

I personally think that this is a great idea-- make it all public!

I think Warren Ellis had a pretty awesome vision in Transmetropolitan when whatever happens in public spaces becomes accessible to anyone, at any time-- truly publicly available, as many of us want "public" data to be.

I used to work for a government data archive in the burgeoning days of the internet, and they didn't want to make data downloadable-- even though it had to be legally available to the public!-- because they didn't it want to be THAT public. People who didn't understand it, or people who had malicious intentions would have access to it. But you know what? Public is public is public, and technology keeps on making it easier for more and more people to see those public things. CC:TV footage should stream online, and soon there'll be a brigade of human eyes looking out for criminals (and for ways to exploit other people, and to police the police) through those electronic eyes. When they start putting CCTV in your living room, I say THEN you worry.

http://www.almanac.com/weathercenter/howwepredict.php

More on Global Cooling:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10783

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25348657-401,00.html

I love this quote by Jay Lehr of The Heartland Institute: "And, if we were to try to reduce greenhouse gases with China and India controlling way more than we do and they have boldly said they are not going to cripple their economy by following suit, our impact would have no change in temperature at all."

Point blank, people: You can't trust your local, highly trained meteorologist to predict tomorrow's weather, so how can you trust a bunch of politicians and climate scientists looking for funding to predict the weather 50 to 100 years out? Most of you will be dead before you realize it was a scam all along.

Remember the hole in the ozone scare? Turns out it's a natural phenomena after all... Now, we're stuck with R134a instead of the far more efficient R12, not to mention all these other products that supposedly did such irreparable harm...

http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/beck/230899.htm

Patrick Moore (founder of Greenpeace) said, "much of the environmental movement has been hijacked by extremist activists who use the language of the environment for a movement that has more to do with class struggle and anti-corporatism."

Don't believe the hype!

well i believe you can't find OBLaden because there is a huge probability that is already dead, since maybe 13 of December 2001. http://spectator.org/archives/2009/03/13/osama-bin-elvis http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13743 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/11/opinion/11TAHE.html?ex=1089432000&en=373a282aeff2716a&ei=5070&todaysheadlines

I'll be pasting this wire service shit into my so-called "journal entries", as per usual. I can always automate OCR off of the screen. So what if hyperlinks aren't preserved? Context and reference can be established by the 1 or 2 blokes who are already actually verifying that stuff.

I'm sure that this won't stop Wired News, Cryptogon.com, Cannon Fire or any of the guys like whatreallyhappened.com - who dump a bit of everything undercovered into the mix. But it will slow them - a bit.

Instead of this crappy pseudo-technology, which has been shown to be ineffective in every other application, AP could profitably syndicate with Google, and share ad revenues. AP==content Google==delivery+revenue engine.

Instead, they want to kill the bloggers - not because of business models. Because they no longer gatekeep the message or manage how it is spun.

Great oligarchs own the megaconglomerates behind corporate news. That's not wild-eyed tinfoil hatted craziness, but simple facts from earnings reports. With incipient dictatorship in everywhere from Western Europe, the US, Iran and Israel, and a coming fiscal "crisis" designed to unify world reserve currency, there's a greater need than ever for these "overlords" - and the banks that loaned them their capital - to turn the Weird Wild Web into your 1984 telescreen.

So, they'll try. Soon, it won't be worth switching on the router - cause you'll be tracked like a migratory bird. In the meantime, we'll all still link and scrape. We'll still point out EXACTLY what they are up to.

have you thought about the posibility that when robots do all the jobs that no one wants to do, productivity might increase by enough to allow all the people to live comfortably

And I suppose I should add, that's what we have migrant labour for. Of course there will always be jobs that people don't want to do, and the productivity gains will be pocketed by the owners of the means of production. I'll be laughing when the prison population of the United States starts to saturate at 50% of the population. Labour is most affordable to corporations in U.S. penitentiaries, so I suspect the trends to continue.

Absolutely correct. And the origin of all this is DISTURBING.

>1. No tangible evidence for fraud. and if your'e able to fake millions of votes, why overdo it and risk detection?

One could take the position that if you're going to throw an election, doing so in such a flagrant way would demonstrate your power. In other words, [if fraud occurred] they did it to send a message that they could do it and they had no fear of doing it.

ok, fair enough, but this notion relies on a "strong man" type of govt., Iran is not structured that way. still, i suppose a very tight knit conspiracy of the top power brokers could pull it off, but in reality, there are competing factions in that group. Perhaps you're thinking of Iran in characture, a stone-age backwater? Just a tad Islamophic are we? http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BHA20090616&articleId=13996

2. Twitter provided the lion's share of the incendiary rumors to start the ball rolling, and the first many thousands of tweets apparantly came from just 1-3 anonymous english speakers (http://www.chartingstocks.net/2009/06/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter)

That seems.. odd. Another news outlet disagrees with you.

these two articles dont address the 30,000 tweets story at all. ???

3. the majority of Iranians DO NOT share Western values, it's just a fact.

Ah, well, if you had just stated this up front we could have concluded you're a loon more quickly.

oh my, you've got nothing so you're reduced to insulting. sorry to burst your freedom_on_the_march bubble. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/13/iranian-election

Interesting that while US is trying to do something about Mexican drug smuggling (probably because it borders with US), they turn the blind eye (or even worse) to the Afghanistan drug production, which floods the Europe with locally-produced opium. It is estimated that Afghanistan is accountable for more than 90% of world's opium production, and most of it goes to the Europe.

It is also worth to note that before the US invasion of Afghanistan, Taliban was able to contain the problem - the drug production declined some 94% during its reign.
But ever since the fall of Taliban regime, opium production has continued to rise each year at an alarming rate:

"The increase in opium production in Afghanistan was from 185 metric tons in 2001 to 6,100 metric tons in 2006." http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/afghanistan/drugs-market.htm

One has to wonder about the US involvement in this:
"Who benefits from the Afghan Opium Trade?" http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3294

"GCHQ is not developing technology to enable the monitoring of all internet use and phone calls in Britain .. GCHQ is subject to rigorous parliamentary and judicial oversight .. GCHQ only acts when it is necessary and proportionate to do so; GCHQ does not spy at will

'the ECHELON system was designed by NSA to interconnect all these computers and allow the stations to function as components of an integrated whole. The NSA and GCSB are bound together under the five-nation UKUSA signals intelligence agreement. The other three partners all with equally obscure names are the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) in Britain'

Who's to say only the "American people" got fucked over? It's usually the rest of us.

When some greedy corporation in the US gets the urge to over-reach common sense in the name of profit, people die. Hello Halliburton, Blackwater - sorry, "Xe" - Merck, Chevron, Shell, Union Carbide, Monsanto - This is going on all around you, every day. It's just the kind of business y'all have been trained to tolerate, encourage and sponsor. And let's be frank, the absurd US military budget is largely what it is so that they can keep doing it with impunity. Nice little system.

If a corporation is legally a person, then let them be shut down and incarcerated like the murderers and thieves they are.

My post in the other discussion sums up my views on copying, so I won't touch on that here. Instead, I'll risk going off-topic a bit here and, perhaps enlightening you as to our real economic situation. I'm always open to being shown how I'm wrong about this particular subject, and would actually find great comfort in it.

You're using the same logic that allowed the financial industry to trade on nonexistent funds, leading to our current economic situation

Lol.. Your one of those. Ok, I know my intelligence is wasted now. First, the funds were not non-existent. They were devalued when the contents of the packaged defaulted. That is a mechanic of the type of trade that was happening and a condition created by improper government regulation.

Actually, the funds were nonexistent. What I'm talking about is fractional reserve banking.

You do realize that, in 2008, the Federal Reserve had committed $8.5T to bailing out the banking industry, right? Do you also realize that, at the same time, the Federal Reserve was reporting a money supply of just under $8T. That tells me that over a half of a trillion dollars of nonexistent funds were placed into circulation and traded.

I'll leave you to do your own research, beyond the following artcle: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11600

I'm interested to hear whether I'm still "one of those" after you realize what actually happened to us.

Realize that more money is owed in derivatives than there is in existence. Please, explain to my how this can be so if we're not trading nonexistent funds?

Further discussion on this topic should probably be taken to another forum, but I'd be more than happy to entertain your thoughts on the information I've just presented to you here, before we continue this discussion elsewhere.

Too bad that approach won't work in the US, I hear they've hardened their servers

Why are we rehashing the news from 2005?

WO2005/015989 and WO2005/017204

http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?adjacent=true&KC=A1&date=20060503&NR=1651030A1&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_V3&CC=EP&FT=D

Let's get up to date.

Check out some US file history at

http://portal.uspto.gov/external/portal/pair

with application number 10/565548 .

Or some EP file history from

http://www.epoline.org/portal/public/registerplus

with Application number EP20040757318 .

Or stick with old news:

http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2240

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=GUP20060520&articleId=2480

Frankly, I am tired of the amateur approach to patents so prevalent at Slashdot.

Citation needed indeed. Like you would be willing to even follow the URL. Its pretty clear your mind is made up on this issue.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10783

For the Stark Fist!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=13050

You are missing the point. Yes, energy currently is cheap only in a few places such as Saudi Arabia. But energy should and could be cheap, almost free even, everywhere. The reason that is not is because of artificially induced scarcity.

A bold claim, I know, so let me substantiate it. Oil is the most glaringly obvious example of how energy is being kept scarce. Here is some fun reading you can do: what oil really is, oodles of oil in Prudhoe Bay, ditto for the Bakken Formation, Cuba, and in several other places. Not very surprising given the true oil genesis mechanism.

Of course, there are some intrinsic costs associated with oil: you need to pump it and transport it. So how can energy be almost free? Well, there are at least a dozen implemented and reproduced means to produce energy that go beyond currently accepted physical science. It is too broad a topic to address here, and it is subject to much disinformation, bullshit, and suppression. If you care to dive into it, Google "Free Energy" and click away. Good luck separating the truth from the lies.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=DAR20060821&articleId=3027

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1018815.html

Why are our tax dollars being paid to Wackenhut Corp to drive hundreds of empty buses around Tucson AZ in the dead of night? Assuming it's true (I may get down to Tucson to have a look myself pretty soon), it seems like a terrible waste of taxes.

RTFA The Radiation Poisoning Of America. It's based on scientific research done by several reputable scientists and research institutes. Check the NOTES section for a complete list of references.

If you still believe RF radiation is completely harmless within FCC approved exposure limits, consider this:

Current FCC exposure limit in the US:
580 microW / cm^2 = 5.8 W/m^2

Current exposure limits in Russia for the 0.3-178.4 GHz frequency band (as reported by a friend of mine from Russia who works as a telecommunications engineer on cell phone towers and other types of RF equipment):
0.1 W/m^2 - for 24 hours at the most
0.1-1 W/m^2 - for no more than 2 hours
1-10 W/m^2 - for no more than 10 minutes

You may also want to know why Microwave ovens were banned in Russia in 1976 and read Dr. Mercola's Ten Reasons to Throw out your Microwave Oven.

For even more information check Wireless Networks (Wi-Fi): Consumer Health and Safety Advice.

There you go, scientific evidence as requested.

I haven't seen a comment yet about small business fatigue.

Was the disgruntled employee a founding member? Was he a stake-holder on any other level? Had all back salaries been paid to cover any ... uh ... dry spells in the startup plan? Were they confident they would be cash flow positive entering a difficult business year? Do they really not have any back media stashed somewhere? Maybe they just looked at the recovery cost from their dated (and possibly tampered) spares, the cost to their business credibility, and decided the prudent business decision was to close the doors and move on.

Maybe the disgruntled party was throw out the door but the parties responsible for creating the dysfunctional environment hung around. They usually do. Does the closure unlock any business assets that one or more of the existing principals can roll forward into another opportunity? Is the "failed drive" story just a lot more sanitary for public consumption than the sordid story about disgruntlement and personality conflict?

There's a troll out there who is suggesting maybe the same thing about Madoff's too easy confession.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11488

Not very good and puts far too much faith in "board level oversight" and never once mentions the Enron factor: even at the top (maybe especially at the top) people refuse to question black boxes if the profit stream appears reliable. How did Enron get away with not supplying detailed balance sheet? The usual refuge of "trade secret": if we tell you how we do it, the chicken recipe will cross the road.

Isn't that the bonus of being at the top? Everyone lets you into their secret tree forts? There are a lot of empty suits out there stalking the putting greens who aren't much motivated to puncture the veil of a secret handshake. They have other agendas.

http://www.edge.org/q2009/q09_10.html#taleb

The problem with the Madoff analysis is that it presumes his operation was legitimate for some (long) period of time, then he's wiped out by the big melt-down LTCM style, after which he concocts this bogus pyramid excuse. How then did he really achieve these implausibly consistent results over that long period of time? Does he really have a system that works as portrayed (until it blows up) LTCM style? Is there a secret he's still trying to keep?

I'd put my own bet on the square that the fund return levels were massaged since way back, and that the empty suit oversight boards were as gullible as you'd have to imagine, despite the glass and granite whitewash of financial controls and oversight.

As far as Journalspace is concerned, if it turns out that this "backup oversight" was the only bad seed at the core of this apple, it would be a case of truth stranger than fiction.

The Gates foundation is too busy building Doomsday seed vaults with the Rockefeller foundation and Monsanto and genetically engineering mosquitoes.