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Re:I take it that they still can't graph properly
On a HP49G+
'x^2+y^2=1'
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Contact our pal Carly
Have some fun and write carly fiorina to let "it" know what you think.
Here's my submission:
In response to your comments in this http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/ 20040107/ap_on_bi_ge/technology_jobs_5 article, as well as numerous other comments and decisions you have made in your tenure with HP, I wished to inform you that you have lost a customer. As a previous purchasor and owner of only several HP printers and CD devices, this may not be of great importance to you. However, I wished to take the time to remind you that you also have no "god given right" to the patronage of this U.S. citizen, and that my money will now be going to your competitors, perhaps even offshore competitors who will provide me with capability and quality comparable to or better than that found in HP products - with lower cost to myself. In addition, I will advise all I know to stay away from HP products while you are involved with the company in any capacity.
Because after all, you "have to compete" right?
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Re:Hooray Carly!
Tell Carly what you think of her and HP
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Voice your opinion at...
If your like me and a bit PO'd about this from the article.
Paragraph 4 from the yahoo article:
' "There is no job that is America's God-given right anymore," Carly Fiorina, chief executive for Hewlett-Packard Co., said Wednesday. "We have to compete for jobs." '
Feel free to send your thoughts too... HP's E-mail Carly page. -
Re:Tell Carly what you think
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Re:Typical Executive speak...
Hmmm, I wonder if Carly would care that they can replace him for less than 1/10th his salary and probably do as good of a job.
Um, Carly isn't a him: Bio
Rest of the comment I agree with though.
She has a bachelor's in medieval history and philosophy. So that's the secret to the tech field! -
Re:Typical Executive speak...
replace him for less
He's a she. Carly Fiorina
Google Search Carly
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Um
*cough* garbage collection *cough*
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Re:Willful Ignorance
Just because your tunnel vision only sees the people complaining doesn't mean it's a proven defect.
If you want to see an exmaple of poor hardware defects and customer services simply read this thread on hp's website regarding their 6300c scanner. The company I worked for is now short 4 scanners thanks to this. -
Re:IF...
The Compaq T-1000 tablet/laptop, Sharp and NEC at least had one at one time.
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Re:Care?
HP has a Tablet PC that uses Transmeta Crusoe 5800. I have used it for some minutes, and looked like a "normal" tablet with an Intel processor. But I agree with you that these Crusoe babies are rare.
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HP's computer division is profitable
Instead of relying on a Steve Jobs interview in Rolling Stone what about going to the source ( HP Q4). Fiorina was so proud that ALL divisions of HP were profitable. Aparently you missed that.
Of course for adoption, being profitable is totally irrelevant. Volume is the important thing.
As for users of previous formats, ask yourself what happend to Apple's users who bought DVD-RAM with their G4. -
Re:HP LaserJet
That's a common problem with some HP LaserJet printers, including the 6L. HP used to offer a free kit to fix it, which worked for me. Unfortunately, it looks they have withdrawn the offer now. See this. Follow the link in 15.
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HP LaserJet
My wife brought an HP LaserJet 6P into my life and it works fine with my Linux box (Redhat 7 onwards).
It's been very reliable and we haven't changed toner in about 2 years. Of course, we don't print that much.
They have 3 printers priced at $200, $400, and $600, information is here. -
HP Digital Sender is just as easy
A few years ago I worked with an HP digital sender, which is really nice. You feed the paper, put in an e-mail address, and they get a PDF.
Of course, you're in for three grand for a $199 scanner with a bolted on $199 computer, for the convienience. -
SERVER - not high-end workstationLet's ignore the DIY crowd - we are not talking "cheapest components you can get" assembled by a case modder...
This leaves us with brand name machines - and as we want to know where it has been, we'll buy it brand new.
Just to imagine how something of reasonable stability for the purpose might look, see this as an example.
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Re:I saw one deal affected
I'll tell you, though, selling Microsoft projects is MUCH easier than selling Linux projects. The average non-technical business person has some exposure to MS and Windows. "Linux.. isn't that software that was written by a bunch of non-professional hobbists and Chinese Hackers in their spare time, and there's no support for it? What if something goes wrong? We're trying to run a mission critical application here, not some hobby system!"
And you pointed out that Linux is supported by such fly-by-night operations as IBM, Novell, Hewlett-Packard, and RedHat, right?
If you're not attempting to address such factually-inaccurate opinions, then you're not doing your job. That is, if you're serious about offering Linux projects as an option...
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Yes.
Yes, this capability is available but it requires special hardware.
There are two solutions that offer what you seek. First you can use server hardware like HP/Compaq with built in Out Of Band(OOB) management cards or Lights Out management cards in them. These cards are IP addressable and connect into the system's BIOS. They allow you to power the system on and off as well as view the boot up screens and even access and change the BIOS settings, all remotely. These are very powerful and indespensible for managing remote servers but, they are not cheap options that you will find in desktop class hardware.
The second option, and the one you will most likely want to use because it is far less expensive, is the IP enabled power switch. There are many different ones but, here is a simple example. Simply send the power on/off command to the power outlet and it restarts your system for you, remotely via TCP/IP. Not nearly as powerful as the Lights Out management card but it gets the blue screened PC rebooted, which is what you said you wanted.
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Re:Open-ish source....
Oh look, these people are patently under 14</sarcasm>
That in under a minutes googling. Now crawl back under a rock troll.
And for people who STILL believe that Java is slow, download eclipse (the url is above, for those of you can't google for it, or even guess it) and have a play...it's written in Java and *GASP* is not only a)amazingly useful, but b)damn snappy, seriously, those people who said Java would never work on the desktop because its too slow, they can start eating their hats.
Plus, I just did a job search for c++ vs. Java on a uk job site and guess what, the number of results returned was nearly identical, so by the look of things, lots of people and companies use Java. IMHO, for enterprise n-tiered applications its the shiznitz.
The reason that Java can be faster is because you can do some really nifty optimisations during runtime with the latest JIT compilers that are impossible (or at least monumentally difficult) to do with compile c/c++ code.
In closing: Here is another benchmark...maybe because he has a domain name you'll trust him more? -
Re:Itanium
HP has 'em on the shelf
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Re:Real use of calculator...
Some Examples. and Some More. But the Equation Writer is best for copying things from paper.
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Re:Nifty
Yeah, it will, but there's already pressure on TI to improve their calculators. This came in the form of HP re-entering the graphing calculator market with several new calculators of their own including one which is far more powerful than any other calculator today. This isn't a concern for TI to make a better product, just because they don't charge for upgrades to the AMS (and aren't necessarily losing money if you switch away), because TI still produces the hardware, and because if you want the powerful math features of the TI-89 you still need to use the official AMS.
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Re:It's clear...
G5s all round then
*cough cough*
If that damn capitalism didn't wipe out DEC, and the next gen alpha was developed, it would have blasted all those other CPUs. Alphas always were the best. I shed a tear every day for the murder and slaughter of Alpha. -
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Re:Simply...
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Integrated Lights OutJust an FYI here, the iLO can now allow the access of removable media. From the QuickSpecs:
Allows a local client CDROM to be connected to a remote host server as a USB device, removing the need to visit the host server to insert and use a CDROM device. (iLO Advanced Feature)
Of course, you'll need to get the activation key to get the "Advanced Features" but you'll need it to support the graphical mode anyway.
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Re:CALCULATORS!
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That's Easy
Here's a nice list at HP of cards that work.
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Arghh ManagementOk, I agree that HP's marketing picture is somewhat muddled, but there is real technology behind what they are talking about. If you want more detail and some whitepapers, you can look here.
The utility computing aspects of the 'adaptive enterprise' are quite real and you can buy it today in the form of the HP Utility Data Center. In a word, UDC is about infrastructure automation - a data center in which you can rapidly deploy (and redeploy) servers and services with no hands-on work, and not requiring you to have a huge, specialized support staff.
To really have an adaptive enterprise, you need more things layered on top of infrastructure automation, but it is a key building block. Other vendors like Sun and IBM are selling this type of concept, but I think you'll find that HP has more actual products than the competition. HP's marketing does stink though.
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Re:adaptabilityOn the Alpha is was easy [] because the machines were 64-bit, period.
This is not strictly true. I believe Linux on Alpha is purely 64-bit, but other operating systems (such as OpenVMS) allow programs to be compiled to use either 32-bit or 64-bit virtual memory spaces. Link
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Re:I hope the editors realize...
No, the REAL issue is memory space. 32 bit just won't cut it anymore for large database servers and the like, regardless of the movement for clustering. The thing is, in the desktop it will take longer for machines to require more than 4/8 GB of memory.
Hum, seems like several companies have handled the memory issue. How the heck are they getting away with 64GIGS of memory on some of these 32bit servers?
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Re:Finally another Linux partner
slashdot covered HP's announcement of a cheap desktop with Madrake 9.1 pre-installed.
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Re:Update
I thought to get OS upgrades to the IPAQ you needed to have it flashed by a dealer [...] Or am I talking rubbish here and it is simply a software update?
You don't need a dealer even for Windows ROM updates, since iPAQ ROM is flashable. It's like when you flash a new ROM version to your motherboard.
Instalation of diferent flavors of Familiar Linux is well covered in detailed instructions in many HowTo's and FAQs.
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Re:Locking
Ooh you gotta love OSCP. Here's I think one of the "cheaper" Oracle-certified NFS implementations out there, the NAS8000. Only $39,995 MSRP for a 4U cabinet with a whopping 0mb of included data storage. Compare with the free-as-in-speech NFS implementation that everyone conflates with "the" NFS, as if there were only one, proper noun, singular, and it were just free for the taking. Hah.
Heh all these spare-bedroom Linux hackers these days seem to forget there's like, entire different universes of product line and reliability standards that have nothing to do with some home-brew NFS rigjob. I guess I didn't really learn that lesson either till I spent some time working in the corporate IT world... -
Re:Why just home?
Ever hear of VMS?
So, when do you plan to get born? Are we invited to your first birthday?
Before my time. Heck, before my birthYou can still buy brand new OpenVMS systems. If you want to play with one, sign up for the free test drive program. Lots of fun toys to play with (not only VMS, also stuff like Red Hat on Itanium, HP-UX etc.).
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Re:Which wireless hardware works with Free Softwar
For 11b, see this page - most of those drivers are open-source.
For 11g, prism54 is the only open source driver I know of (or it will be once a license issue is resolved - there are still two non-GPL header files). There's a non-free firmware file you have to load onto the card, but IMHO that doesn't make the driver non-free - most modern devices contain firmware anyway, whether you upload it or not, and none of that binary code runs on your CPU or taints your kernel. The driver is still portable to other architectures, etc.
The Atheros madwifi drivers are partially open-source, but require you to load some binary code into your kernel. Personally I'd avoid this non-free driver, but many people are happy with it. -
Re:now before we all start crying..or cheering
Lest you forget, Hewlett-Packard is a major sponsor of The Debian Project.
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Re:Most common form of data loss?
probably since you're not lucky enough. VMS is still going strong you know...just ask Intel (it runs their fabs).
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OFFSHORING MYTHS EXPOSED FOR CLUELESS SLASHDOTTERSMYTH #2: "New, innovative companies won't start up overseas."
Really? What do you think these laid-off chip designers are gonna do when they get back to Chennai? Sell trinkets to tourists?
MYTH #3: "R&D jobs don't go overseas. Hell, they don't even leave the US east and west coast, for the most part."
REALITY:
- GE Corporate Research in Bangalore and Shanghai
- HP Opens New Research Center in Singapore
- HP Bangalore Research
- IBM India Research Center
- IBM China Research Center
- Microsoft Research Beijing
Per nasscom.org, "A recent study on the biotech market by business intelligence firm, Ernst & Young, has shown that India has the potential to become a leading hub of biotech projects. Indian companies have the capability to enter segments such as manufacturing biogenerics, contract research services, clinical trials and even areas such as bio-informatics."
MYTH #5: "Ultimately, what xenophobes need to realize is that writing shitty code doesn't make anyone "high-tech." You're no more entitled to an inflated salary than the auto workers who saw their work moved overseas - if someone with no education can do your job cheaper, you don't deserve your job."
"Accenture in India has also been moving into front office work such as doing clinical data management for its pharma clients. Accenture's pharma team here, which consists of doctors, dentists and biologists, analyses data from tests and helps its pharma client to gain `time-to-market' advantage. "Normally, for a BPO, back office activities are the target, but we are beginning to spot opportunities in front office activities as well," Cole said."
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And you are partially mistaken too
"even if the app could draw directly into the ... buffer"No, an X application can always write directly into the X-server memory by using the Shared Memory Extension which is an even faster method than the already very fast default method of using unix domain sockets. I don't agree that slowness is caused by the design of X. You are probably basing your judgement on the performance you get using the XFree86 server, an implementation of X whose graphics card drivers are mostly without the benefit of full optimisation. This is because XFree86 writes its own graphics card drivers and the graphics card manufacturers have often not provided programming information on their products. This situation will change at some point as the manufacturers see Linux desktop usage continue its steady increase.
"perceived slowness [due to] separate window manager"
It is not the design of X itself including the positive feature of window management which causes any slowness. Firstly, XFree86 suffers from having non-optimised graphics card drivers (see previous paragraph). Secondly, window management is typically performed by a window manager, most of which were not written with graphics optimisation in mind. For example, I don't know of any open-source window manager which actually uses the shared memory extension although that would especially help speed up the dragging of large windows. It is unfair to criticise non-optimised window managers for being slow.
You are also wrong to criticise X for making the window management concept possible. If you don't like window managers, don't use them! X does not require you to use a window manager. Also, do not confuse "window manager" with "window management". Window management is required in X as it is in MS-Windows. However, the difference in X is that window management can be done by any or all of: X applications, toolkits, the X server, or separate window manager(s). Only X gives you that amazing choice!
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Re:Maybe XFree has had its dayYes, that's right except an X application must be programmed to use the shared memory extension to X, otherwise it will use the default -- a unix domain socket in
/tmp -- which is usually slightly slower than shared memory. However, it's worth noting that unix domain sockets are extremely efficiently implemented on Linux. The overhead in the X server for using domain sockets is so small it is insignificant compared to the graphics overhead in most toolkit libraries. If anyone's interested, it is tedious but possible to confirm the domain socket overhead is small either by analysing the output of strace -T Xserver_pid (on a separate display to avoid deadlock!) or preferably by recompiling X with profiling enabled.It's also worth noting the slowest part of X applications is in the badly implemented toolkits they commonly use which do their X event handling clumsily and sub-optimally (graphics exposures).
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Wrong and wrong"networking layer
... unnecessary overhead"No, the problem you imagine simply does not exist because X already has the "shared memory extension" to make it possible to write directly into the X-server's graphics memory bypassing the socket communications. In any case, XFree86 uses domain sockets for all local communications. Domain sockets are implemented extremely efficient on Linux. It is definitely not sockets that are causing any delays you may see on your user-interface. It is likely you are using a GNOME or KDE application which is badly implemented whether in itself or in the toolkit on which it is based.
"security implications this has as well"
No, there is no security problem. X defaults to have closed network access. Every PC should also use a firewall which provides a separate stronger access control mechanism. Nobody should be able to access your X-server remotely unless you have explicitly given them permission.
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Re:Sounds familiar
Lol, I'd be willing to bet if Sun went under there would be some major difficulties in the industry.
How much money are you willing to lose on that bet?
There are plenty of free or open source and third party sources for Java compilers, JVMs, bytecode compilers, class libraries and related apps.
Sun could disappear tomorrow and Java would continue. -
Re:HP still dropping calc line - NOT
http://www.hp.com/calculators/news/index.html
A choice quote:
"The bottom line is that HP calculators are here to stay and they are going to be better than ever, giving our customers more than ever."
But hey, don't let a silly little thing like facts get in your way of proclaiming the end of the line for HP calculators. -
That's a thought on YOUR mind.
I know what RPN is, and if you don't know what it is, then you're a newbie in the calculator world and don't deserve to use a HP calculator. It's a pain in the butt to here people make fun of RPN because they don't know what it is, and it's even more of a pain trying to defend it against arrogant people like you. There's already a link on the press release that's devoted to describing RPN. This parent does not describe to be ranked as funny.
Lay off, and go to "calculator standard", www.ti.com. -
SLASHDOT MYTHS VS. REALITYMYTH #2: "New, innovative companies won't start up overseas."
Really? What do you think these laid-off chip designers are gonna do when they get back to Chennai? Sell trinkets to tourists?
MYTH #3: "R&D jobs don't go overseas. Hell, they don't even leave the US east and west coast, for the most part."
REALITY:
- GE Corporate Research in Bangalore and Shanghai
- HP Opens New Research Center in Singapore
- HP Bangalore Research
- IBM India Research Center
- IBM China Research Center
- Microsoft Research Beijing
REALITY: Per nasscom.org, "A recent study on the biotech market by business intelligence firm, Ernst & Young, has shown that India has the potential to become a leading hub of biotech projects. Indian companies have the capability to enter segments such as manufacturing biogenerics, contract research services, clinical trials and even areas such as bio-informatics."
MYTH #5: "Ultimately, what xenophobes need to realize is that writing shitty code doesn't make anyone "high-tech." You're no more entitled to an inflated salary than the auto workers who saw their work moved overseas - if someone with no education can do your job cheaper, you don't deserve your job."
REALITY: "Accenture in India has also been moving into front office work such as doing clinical data management for its pharma clients. Accenture's pharma team here, which consists of doctors, dentists and biologists, analyses data from tests and helps its pharma client to gain `time-to-market' advantage. "Normally, for a BPO, back office activities are the target, but we are beginning to spot opportunities in front office activities as well," Cole said."
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Re:OpenVMS is being moved to the Itanium?
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Re:VMS will live on
Even VAX->Alpha was not binary compatible. All applications which have to run on VMS/IA64 will have to be recompiled. See here for more. The question is, who's gonna want to take the trouble to switch.
I think HP has built a product without a market. Swell. -
Here
When it comes to network printers and print servers the authority has always been Hewlett Packard. You'll find what you need (is a 7GB spool enough for labels? ) here but at nearly US$2,000 I would think that you could build a Linux box running CUPS and Samba for a lot less.
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Take a look at the HP Laserjet 1500L
Here. The downside to it is it's windows/mac only as it relies on the driver to do the printer rendering. If you need to connect it to a network, or to a *nix machine, get the 2500L (It's $200 more expensive). Once the 2500L (or equivalent at the time) hits $500, I'm getting one for home. None of that bubble/inkjet shit for me. I've got a B&W laser printer (HP 5L) that has lasted for 4 years now (and I bought it used at the MIT hardware swap for $90!), and I've only had to replace the toner cartridge once.