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During the night cowardly terrorists claiming to be from p2pchat launched an unprovoked and despicably dastardly attack against Evolnet. Their goal was to disrupt the benign activities of the upstanding organization GNAA (Gay Nigger Association of AmeriKKKa).

Although their motives are completely unknown, seeing as GNAA is universally loved, their affiliations and funding seem to come from some notorious terrorists well known to the GNAA. Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda has endorsed the attacks as "beneficial to the Linux (a communist operating system made by Lunis Torvald from code that he stole from SCO) movement's goal of re-enslaving gay niggers everywhere."

The sinister Zionist organization #politics has also endorsed the attack. It is becoming increasingly clear that they were involved in the recruitment and payment of the script kiddies that perpetrated the attack.

GNAA has promised reprisal for the attack. Being the responsible citizens that they are, they have reported the IP address of at least one of the Jews involved in the attack. They are also looking in to a possible connection between this attack and the attempt to assassinate GNAA president timecop earlier. It is currently believed that #politics is stepping up its deplorable attacks against GNAA.

Recently promoted #GNAA op x_over_ln_x was quoted as saying "bring it on" when asked about #politics' and the Linux community's recent attacks. He may, however, have not heard the question and was referring to the Jewish catamite he was about to rape.

About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY ?
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Are you a GAY NIGGER ?

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Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
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Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!

• First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE and watch it. You can download the movie (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
• Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post on slashdot.org, a popular "news for trolls" website.
• Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.

Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

If you have

I was reading this, it seems vaguely anti-corporate tinfoil hat-ish (not that I'm a big fan of corporations, but there are so many evil things they do, why waste time beating them up for stuff they don't?)

It keeps on going on with connotations of evil monopolists squashing the guys in the garages like bugs as being the only reasons it's moved slow. Part of the reason is that you want stability in public utilities. Innovation breeds incompatibilites. If I wanted to, I could buy a 1950's rotary phone from eBay and plug it in and still use it (in the movie Cellular Kim basinger takes advantage that teh network still can use the old "micro-disconnect" signals that rotary pulses were). For overclocking, fastest GPU of the week fanboys that may seem quaint, like using MicroChannel on a 386, but to most people the phone just works. The government actually discouraged innovation by capping profit margins. As a regulated monopoly, the phone company was capped to a certain net profit. New business or old, same profit margin. This discouraged innovation, but encouraged stability. Not so much evil as the upside/downside to a decision that is more complex than people would like to think. I'm not sure if they are currently so capped, there's so much breakup and consolidation since the old Ma Bell days, some of the compatibility is probably gone as well.

Tsk, that's nothing! I have one of a pair of Origin200's used to create the PowerPuff girls movie.

Ok, so perhaps Wrath of Kahn does have more bragging rights...

Throw in this guy to sit around all day and do the voice and this is a great deal!

Just imagine a beo...

What, theres only one?

Well, Does it run Linux?

Fine, but could it kick the WOPR's ass?

I, for one, welcome our new lip reading red light blinking overlord...

GNAUK (the UK branch of the GNAA) consultant rolloffle stood ecstatically in front of the massive GNAUK London office skyscraper. Waving his massive nigger hands for silence, he smiled and announced with glee that the GNAA was the cause of the 3000 blogs outage.

"Well, aw'right, now aw'right! It's due to our persistent shitflooding and blogbashing efforts that we can claim this spectacular victory over a major epicentre of retardery! Congratulations, morons, for you have been pwned! Remember, regular local backups are your friend!"

Having concluded with these statements, the crowd burst into an ambivalent mix of outraged and delighted argument. rolloffle then unzipped his trousers and started to beat back the hordes of angry webloggers and journalists with his gigantic nigger cock, fleeing into a side alley. The massive conglomeration of people then enjoyed a spectacular fireworks display, sending the massive office building of glass and steel smashing to the ground and burying the suckers present.

About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which
gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY ?
Are you a NIGGER ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America. You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!

First, you have to obtain a copy of GAY NIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE and watch it. (You can download the movie (~280mb) using BitTorrent, by clicking here.

Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA "first post" on slashdot.org, a popular "news for trolls" website

Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today!

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is Niggernet, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. If you do not have an IRC client handy, you are free to use the GNAA Java IRC client by clicking here.


If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

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| ______________________________________._a,____ | CmdrTaco
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | will
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | he ever learn that
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA is totally
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | unstoppable? Teamed
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | up with the other troll groups,
| _________#1__________?________________________ | GNAA will absolutely own
| _________j1_______

GNAUK (the UK branch of the GNAA) consultant rolloffle stood ecstatically in front of the massive GNAUK London office skyscraper. Waving his massive nigger hands for silence, he smiled and announced with glee that the GNAA was the cause of the 3000 blogs outage.

"Well, aw'right, now aw'right! It's due to our persistent shitflooding and blogbashing efforts that we can claim this spectacular victory over a major epicentre of retardery! Congratulations, morons, for you have been pwned! Remember, regular local backups are your friend!"

Having concluded with these statements, the crowd burst into an ambivalent mix of outraged and delighted argument. rolloffle then unzipped his trousers and started to beat back the hordes of angry webloggers and journalists with his gigantic nigger cock, fleeing into a side alley. The massive conglomeration of people then enjoyed a spectacular fireworks display, sending the massive office building of glass and steel smashing to the ground and burying the suckers present.

About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which
gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY ?
Are you a NIGGER ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America. You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!

First, you have to obtain a copy of GAY NIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE and watch it. (You can download the movie (~280mb) using BitTorrent, by clicking here.

Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA "first post" on slashdot.org, a popular "news for trolls" website

Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today!

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is Niggernet, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. If you do not have an IRC client handy, you are free to use the GNAA Java IRC client by clicking here.


If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

.________________________________________________. fucking
| ______________________________________._a,____ | CmdrTaco
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | will
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | he ever learn that
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA is totally
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | unstoppable? Teamed
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | up with the other troll groups,
| _________#1__________?________________________ | GNAA will absolutely own
| _________j1_______

It took 31 years to come from 2D computer digitized image first used in a movie (Westworld) to this. Check out the timeline of CGI in movies for history and screenshots.

Of specific interest is the Matrix: Revolutions, which had the most realistic computer recreation of a human (agent) face. And then this face was smacked by a 100% CGI Keanu Reaves hand. Recreating humans is easy. My estimate is that in 2007-2008 we will see a 100% CGI film that would look like real thing, with AI agent in lead roles and all.

Also expect CGI sets to proliferate extremely quickly. There already are Immortel (ad vitam), Casshern, and Sin City that use the same technique. Expect tens more in the upcoming year.

It took 31 years to come from 2D computer digitized image first used in a movie (Westworld) to this. Check out the timeline of CGI in movies for history and screenshots.

Of specific interest is the Matrix: Revolutions, which had the most realistic computer recreation of a human (agent) face. And then this face was smacked by a 100% CGI Keanu Reaves hand. Recreating humans is easy. My estimate is that in 2007-2008 we will see a 100% CGI film that would look like real thing, with AI agent in lead roles and all.

Also expect CGI sets to proliferate extremely quickly. There already are Immortel (ad vitam), Casshern, and Sin City that use the same technique. Expect tens more in the upcoming year.

It took 31 years to come from 2D computer digitized image first used in a movie (Westworld) to this. Check out the timeline of CGI in movies for history and screenshots.

Of specific interest is the Matrix: Revolutions, which had the most realistic computer recreation of a human (agent) face. And then this face was smacked by a 100% CGI Keanu Reaves hand. Recreating humans is easy. My estimate is that in 2007-2008 we will see a 100% CGI film that would look like real thing, with AI agent in lead roles and all.

Also expect CGI sets to proliferate extremely quickly. There already are Immortel (ad vitam), Casshern, and Sin City that use the same technique. Expect tens more in the upcoming year.

An interesting chunk of history, the details of which I was unaware until I recently rented Fog of War.

Now that the DVD is out on rental, it's really worth picking up and seeing this historical narrative with McNamara.

At one point he relates how he discovered, a couple of weeks after JFK got into office, that the missile gap didn't exist. A sticky political situation at the time.

"True that the *nix server could be affected, but it's really due to a compromise on the MS Win32 system."

Yup. But infected is infected.

The *nix box won't be affected by any of those viruses, but the machines it shares them with can be infected. And that infection can put a load on the network (particularly the viruses that do scanning).

Imagine you are Milla Jovovich, the Unix server. You find yourself strangely modified by the Umbrella Corporation, the internet at large, to be stronger than all the other and strangely resistant to infections. Everything about that is hunky dory, true, but when 5,000 zombies come chasing after you for no good reason other than that they are hungry (for bandwidth, mind) then you find yourself suddenly bothered.

It's not that you can be infected, it's that there are lots of them, and they're attacking you regardless of vulnerability.

The AC above is right. The limitation of liability applies to the individuals in the partnership.

In a plain old partnership, the company is just a group of people. If somebody sues the business, they're really suing the owners. In an LLC the company is a separate entity and the individuals are not completely responsible for it, like in a regular corporation.

This potentially leads to the sort of abuses they documented in The Corporation, in which they likened a company to a sociopathic human, with the rights of a person but no conscience. But the overall goal is a good one: allow people to form partnerships without making one person completely responsible for the misdeeds of the other.

It also creates an object that you can sell; that is, if you own a piece of an LLC you can break off the partnership by selling it to somebody else. That sort of liquidity makes funding new companies a lot more flexible.

For the most part think of "LLC" as just like "Inc" or "Co" attached to the name. There are tax differences (the income of the company is treated as income of the partners), but the liability issues are more like corporations than like partnerships or sole proprietorships.

That's just the legal answer to your point. The article, itself, appears to be a troll.

I thought that was a movie about finding a cure for cancer...

As I understand Tuberculosis has never been treatable by penicilin or variants, only the other infections that happen as the result of a weakened body and immune system.

Some guy that lives in their closet.

Congratulations!

Frank Horrigan and Lilly Raines and their friends will be around to ask you a few questions shortly, please stand by....

Better save blair1q's post for posterity now before these guys force Slashdot to delete it like the 'assassin' post I can't find and link to at the moment....

Wasn't Space:1999 the show with Martin Landau and Barbara Bain? That went on the air back around '69, '70, '71.

1975, actually. But yes, it preceded 'Star Wars.'

I've seen Casshern posted on the net a couple of months ago.

Seriously though, just because you don't feel a thing doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Tron beat StarWars by a considerable margin, I'll have you young whipper-snappers know.

Go see this film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0314063/ Same deal, digital set, digital characters. Its not the greatest film ever, but truly worth seeing at least once for the visuals.

Does this story remind anybody else of Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome?

who would like to make a death ray for Global Domination?

From Family Guy:
Stewie: This isn't the first time my small stature has hindered my plans.
[flashback]
Auctioneer: Item 157... Global Domination. Enslave the human race. Do I have any bids?
Stewie: OOH. OOH. ME. ME.
Auctioneer: I'll take any bids. $1. Enslave the human race for $1?
Stewie: BEHIND THE FAT CHICK. OOH. OOH.

J

In the case of SCatWoT, you've got a virtual set. If the actors involved can pull off decent performances lacking even a mockup environment to feed off of, then good for them.

> You can occasionally see a goof where some part of the meteorologist's wardrobe is too close to the screen's color, and the map "bleeds through" and the person appears "hollow".

This reminded me of Groundhog Day, where you can see how the whole thing works right at the beginning. They had a blue screen, BTW.

It was supposed to be a low-budget movie, but it ended up costing $70 million, when the original filmmaker couldn't bring it off on schedule and they had to outsource to a half dozen of the usual effects studios. It's somewhat discouraging to see how expensive computer animation still is. It's not the equipment cost any more. It's the army of artists. We've gotten rid of the "cast of thousands", but we now have the "animation team of thousands". (This has major offshoring implications. Look for more effects films from China.)

The look of the film is good, but not original. The opening scene is a blatant rip-off of the Centropolis Entertainment logo scene, first shown in 1998 on Godzilla.

The upcoming Sin City (based on Frank Miller's graphic novel series, and it's directed by Robert Rodriguez and Frank Miller) uses a similar filmmaking technique as "Sky Captain," although not to the same degree. An FAQ is here.

Compare the behind-the-scenes footage to the trailer that was shown at this summer's San Diego Comic-Con (they had originally posted a 640x480 version but it's been replaced by a 480x272 version).

Check it out (there's a brief topless scene, so it's not SFW), if only for the shots of Jessica Alba dancing around seductively in leather chaps. :)

The upcoming Sin City (based on Frank Miller's graphic novel series, and it's directed by Robert Rodriguez and Frank Miller) uses a similar filmmaking technique as "Sky Captain," although not to the same degree. An FAQ is here.

Compare the behind-the-scenes footage to the trailer that was shown at this summer's San Diego Comic-Con (they had originally posted a 640x480 version but it's been replaced by a 480x272 version).

Check it out (there's a brief topless scene, so it's not SFW), if only for the shots of Jessica Alba dancing around seductively in leather chaps. :)

Whereas in Star Wars, Lucas is in love with his new found ability to change stuff at the last minute and not let any of this second-opinion peer-review stuff get in the way of his "vision" getting heaped in a big pile of pixels.

(If you ask me, I would have made ROTJ end up with Luke flipping to the dark side seconds before the Death Star II was blown-up, and he would have been considered a martyr by the rebels...)

Whereas in Star Wars, Lucas is in love with his new found ability to change stuff at the last minute and not let any of this second-opinion peer-review stuff get in the way of his "vision" getting heaped in a big pile of pixels.

(If you ask me, I would have made ROTJ end up with Luke flipping to the dark side seconds before the Death Star II was blown-up, and he would have been considered a martyr by the rebels...)

"how the movie is 'unlike anything most audiences have seen before"

(got the quote)

In an interview for the Criterion collection DVD, George Lucas states that while this film is a story a story about a princess and her protectors that this is not the element inspired Star Wars. Lucas states the inspiration comes from the telling of the story through the eyes of two smaller roles. In Hidden Fortress it is the two thieves, in Star Wars it is C3PO and R2D2.
imdb

No its not. An honest person does not steal people's bikes.

The purpose of all locks and security measures are to make it more difficult to steal stuff. The value of the stuff is roughly proportional to the complexity of the lock. The lock on my front door is not that big. The lock on Fort Knox is probably much bigger.

Wow you are so cool to copy and paste

Further, even Kryptonite's (and other lock companys') New York models have been reported vulnerable to this attack.

For readers who aren't aware, Kryptonite and other companies have special New York models to thwart the mutant underground-dwelling cannibalistic bike thieves common to Manhattan and surrounding boroughs. Kryptonite does not warrantee most of its locks for use in New York.

--Pat / zippy@cs.brandeis.edu

Judging by this thread, it seems like "citizen science" is about as popular as "Citizens on Patrol."

• Militia of Montana (MOM) -- one of the better known Militia/Patriot groups
• Genesis Communications -- Internet radio station that carries a lot of very paranoid people. Sometimes they've got a point, sometimes they're off the deep end (IMHO)
• Alex Jones -- Gotta check him out. Listen to his show, and watch for the Darth Vader theme. Highly amusing; he sponsored a showing of They Live! a while back as an introduction to how They rule the world
• David Icke -- British. Shape-shifting lizards rule the world and are performing rape and blood sacrifice behind closed doors. Absolutely incredible.
• Texe Marrs -- Texas fundamentalist preacher (who, it just so happens, I interviewed a few years back) who believes that Satan pretty much owns the IRS, the UN, and every other government around

That's enough to get you started...if you're not gibbering on the floor when you finish reading, you'll be fine. :-)

Here is a story on IMDb about Lucas and his thoughts on Hollywood:
post at IMDb

Choice quote from the master of looks over substance: (Hollywood is) "making hugely inefficient movies for great amounts of money and they aren't creatively very interesting."

I wonder if the people who say one thing and do another (like Lucas and the Douchebag of Liberty, Robert Novak) realize they are doing it or if they truly think they are special and doing the right thing.

There's always IMDB's handy map of theaters. Not sure how accurate / current it is, but it looks nice (if depressing, for those of us not in a major urban center).

Frankenstein returns 1163 matches on IMDB so I think this qualifies as a cliche. Take a look at the plot summary of the original if you don't believe this is in the same tradition.

Tagline: A Monster Science Created - But Could Not Destroy! Plot Outline: Frankenstein creates a true android from dead human parts, but it gets out of his control and gets into trouble

Frankenstein returns 1163 matches on IMDB so I think this qualifies as a cliche. Take a look at the plot summary of the original if you don't believe this is in the same tradition.

Tagline: A Monster Science Created - But Could Not Destroy! Plot Outline: Frankenstein creates a true android from dead human parts, but it gets out of his control and gets into trouble

You should check out this IMDB board posting.

Apparently there were 'massive walkouts at the Cannes' and a 30% Rotten Tomatoes rating (which is very bad). I quote:

The common complaint among critics is that while the movie is beautiful, it is souless with too much technological mumbo jumbo and not enough likable characters. The story is said to be at once extremely convaluted and boring with action sequences too far between and countless uniteresting quotes form philosophers or the bible hindering the story.

So althought it saddens me to say this, it really doesn't look like it's worth checking out. That said, everyone is different, and this is just the critics' opinion.

Looks like Mamoru has adopted the same beautiful sepia style for the film as Avalon

showtimes across the country

Well, I for one like TV. But not all TV. It seems to be getting worse though, even the stations I used to watch all the time (TLC, Discovery) are turning into Reality or Makeover TV nightmares. And I am even willing to admit that I like some of that stuff sometimes. So I don't want to give up television, but I am by no means chained to it.

I have actually learned a LOT from TV. Reading a cookbook is fine, but I am a visual learner. Seeing someone do something teaches me more than just reading about it. If it weren't for the Food Network, Discovery, and TLC I would probably shut off my cable. My bad habit is that I flip around during commercials, because I hate commercials. So I run across all kinds of stuff, and have actually discovered a few good shows like that. Unfortunately, I see all kind of stuff that also angries up the blood.

Oh, and I think JLo is married to Marc Anthony, who is a Latin singer, but I'll always remember him from the movie The Substitute. Did you also know he was in Hackers ? I hear the women at work talking about all this crap during the day. Thank Jebus for headphones.

Well, I for one like TV. But not all TV. It seems to be getting worse though, even the stations I used to watch all the time (TLC, Discovery) are turning into Reality or Makeover TV nightmares. And I am even willing to admit that I like some of that stuff sometimes. So I don't want to give up television, but I am by no means chained to it.

I have actually learned a LOT from TV. Reading a cookbook is fine, but I am a visual learner. Seeing someone do something teaches me more than just reading about it. If it weren't for the Food Network, Discovery, and TLC I would probably shut off my cable. My bad habit is that I flip around during commercials, because I hate commercials. So I run across all kinds of stuff, and have actually discovered a few good shows like that. Unfortunately, I see all kind of stuff that also angries up the blood.

Oh, and I think JLo is married to Marc Anthony, who is a Latin singer, but I'll always remember him from the movie The Substitute. Did you also know he was in Hackers ? I hear the women at work talking about all this crap during the day. Thank Jebus for headphones.

If he loses the elections, no future president will dare attacking a contemptuous tyrant

They certainly won't do it in the haphazard, unplanned, unilateral and arrogant way Bush did.

Another empty spinning attempt... Even if you are right, it is, in my strong opinion, much better to have done it imperfectly, than not at all.

unilaterally without UN support, is exactly the kind arrogance thats gotten us into so much trouble already.

Our foreign policy is and should be affected by UN and other foreigners, but it shouldn't be dictated by them. Like old age to youth, certain UN-members were trying to prevent us from doing, what they simply could not do themselves (any more). It is not the arrogance, that's hurting us -- people, complaining about it, are not our enemies nor were they ever our helpful friends.

UN was trying bring peace to Yugoslavia for many years and became the sad laughing stock of Yugoslavs on all sides. In Somalia, UN was distributing food to, essensially, the local warlords. Clinton was convinced to try to fight some of them, but his overadherence to UN reduced the punch's power and 19 Americans died (plus hundreds of Somalians).

That Bush found "the minerals" to axe through the Gordian knot of politics, which Saddam was able to use for over a decade to mock us and the UN, is why I'm on the Bush's side. The removal of the contemptuous despot was not, of course, the whole reason for the action, but most of the objections heard from the opposing countries are not any more sincere.

The demonstration of America's willingness to attack (in addition to its already well known ability) was quite useful. Already Gaddafi bent over and Charles Taylor fled. It may even work on North Korea, who make no secret of their waiting for the results of this elections. Guess, who those thugs prefer?

If he loses the elections, no future president will dare attacking a contemptuous tyrant

They certainly won't do it in the haphazard, unplanned, unilateral and arrogant way Bush did.

Another empty spinning attempt... Even if you are right, it is, in my strong opinion, much better to have done it imperfectly, than not at all.

unilaterally without UN support, is exactly the kind arrogance thats gotten us into so much trouble already.

Our foreign policy is and should be affected by UN and other foreigners, but it shouldn't be dictated by them. Like old age to youth, certain UN-members were trying to prevent us from doing, what they simply could not do themselves (any more). It is not the arrogance, that's hurting us -- people, complaining about it, are not our enemies nor were they ever our helpful friends.

UN was trying bring peace to Yugoslavia for many years and became the sad laughing stock of Yugoslavs on all sides. In Somalia, UN was distributing food to, essensially, the local warlords. Clinton was convinced to try to fight some of them, but his overadherence to UN reduced the punch's power and 19 Americans died (plus hundreds of Somalians).

That Bush found "the minerals" to axe through the Gordian knot of politics, which Saddam was able to use for over a decade to mock us and the UN, is why I'm on the Bush's side. The removal of the contemptuous despot was not, of course, the whole reason for the action, but most of the objections heard from the opposing countries are not any more sincere.

The demonstration of America's willingness to attack (in addition to its already well known ability) was quite useful. Already Gaddafi bent over and Charles Taylor fled. It may even work on North Korea, who make no secret of their waiting for the results of this elections. Guess, who those thugs prefer?

There once was a fellow named Dillon [imdb.com]
Whom everyone thought was a villain [aboutmary.com],
He cried, "That's not me!"
"I use BSD!"
"Because I find it fulfillin'."

W xci

You can get a load of his work from the documentary Fast, Cheap, and Out of Control.