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Huh? iLO implements IPMI just like any other BMC. iLO also doesn't cost money, though as of a couple of years ago some functionality -- mostly fluff -- required a for-pay license. Not much different from anyone else's and I don't remember having to pay to get firmware components. I stopped buying Soracle gear some years ago, but recall that they had also restricted access to firmware updates. That said, HP has always been known for nickle/diming -- this parody has been around for ~30 years: http://incompetech.com/gallima...

So they do care a bit then?

The Caring Continuum - http://incompetech.com/Images/caring.png

Totally agree with this post, just wanted to offer up a couple resources:

Learn shorthand.

http://www.alysion.org/handy/althandwriting.htm

I always used graph paper... You can download images and print your own

http://incompetech.com/graphpaper/plain/

People only say that it's sarcasm when they get called out and realise how stupid they are. People like you.

The Caring Continuum

I could care less.

This is the one that really bugs me. Professional broadcasters say it on the air for christ's sake.

Navigate the Caring Continuum...

So you mean google does care about me?

Taken literally, "I could care less" does mean you at least care a little bit right now. See this continuum of caring I found.

Although "I couldn't care less" is the original form, "I could care less" is classic American sarcasm - a positive phrase meant negatively. I wouldn't consider it any more "wrong" than phrases like "Lucky you!" (said to someone suffering misfortune), or "Tell me about it!" (said when you've heard it all before and really don't want to be told all about it.)

This page was also interesting.

Yup! Tell me about it!

Taken literally, "I could care less" does mean you at least care a little bit right now. See this continuum of caring I found.

Although "I couldn't care less" is the original form, "I could care less" is classic American sarcasm - a positive phrase meant negatively. I wouldn't consider it any more "wrong" than phrases like "Lucky you!" (said to someone suffering misfortune), or "Tell me about it!" (said when you've heard it all before and really don't want to be told all about it.)

This page was also interesting.

Considering you work in a profession which relies heavily on perfect grammar and sentence structure, I feel obliged to tell you that the phrase you're looking for is "I couldn't care less."

Please see here for a detailed explanation of why the US phrase "I could care less" is not at all appropriate.

I could care less what they do.

I think someone needs to study up on The Caring Continuum.

He could really care less about that.

When one usually states "I could care less", they usually mean "I could not care less". [e.g. "I could care less about linguistics."]
In order for one to "care less" about a subject, they must first care about it somewhat. Saying "I could care less about ... " does indeed imply, nay dictate, that there is some degree of care.
Here is a handy chart to help visualize.

When one usually states "I could care less", they usually mean "I could not care less". [e.g. "I could care less about linguistics."]

In order for one to "care less" about a subject, they must first care about it somewhat. Saying "I could care less about ... " does indeed imply, nay dictate, that there is some degree of care.

http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html

Sorry, and thank you.

..... Apple could care less if Joe User comes in.......

If they could care less it would mean they'd care to some degree (and I think they do), but I suspect you were aiming for "couldn't care less".

Here is a handy guide to the caring continuum:

http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html

I'm not trying to be an ass, but reading "could care less" feels like being poked in my eyes with a rusty nail.. from the inside...

this link is for you

If you COULD care less implies some level of caring.

Here's a handy guide to the caring continuum, for quick reference when you are in doubt:
http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html

To sum up

"Could care less" = Might care a LOT
"Couldn't care less" = Do not care at all

Good sarcasm is about exaggeration. The difference between not caring at all and claiming to only care some is nowhere near large enough. If you wanted to say you don't care sarcastically, then you'd say "That's the most interesting thing ever!" The key of good sarcasm is in the tone of the speaker, and there's just no room in "I could care less."

Feel free to continue defending this; I'm sure you've got a plausible rebuttal!

Synchronization of music from source A with video from source B is not "fair use". Especially when big chunks of a song, or even the entire song, are copied.

There's free royalty-free music available. There's vast amounts of cheap techno. Out of copyright classical. Garage bands. Or, in many cases, you can call up a minor label and buy a license. I've done that.

Quit whining.

The best 'response' post I've found so far is this one: http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html

Inlining the 'caring continuum' image seems to work rather well to get the point across.

It's couldn't care less!

Besides, if someone "could care less, but it would be a chore", then they can still care less and therefore have a degree of care. Damn yanks. :)

I feel the need to point out that "n't" is a "not" operator, which negates the logical meaning of your sentence. It literally changes what you mean to the opposite.

http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html for a lovely png of the 'care continuum'.

Your second comment is appropriate. I could care less. It doesn't mean that I do care more. If you were to assign a scoring system of 1 to 10 to my level of care, where 1 is absolute lack of care, and 10 is absolute care, the Olympics may rate a 3, at which point there is room in the scale to raise or lower my level of care. I could care less, but it wouldn't even matter, because it's lower than a neutral level of care (5), and has no direct impact on myself.

    If there were to be a direct impact upon myself by the event, then that level of care would be more significant. Take the scenario "There's a truck coming down the road". If I were not in the road, I could care less, at a care level of 3, and it wouldn't matter. If I were standing in the road in front of the truck, at a care level of 3, and I did care less, that would definitely be a sign of deep depression, which would be resolved rather quickly, assuming the truck does it's job appropriately and runs me over. :)

    It becomes a moot point, as the phrase "I could care less" entered colloquial English approximately 40 years, and it is already commonly understood to mean the same, either in the positive or negative syntax. It is found in print as far back as 1966. I'm only 35 years old, and I started speaking at 1 year old, so both versions of the phrase were already in common usage for 8 years.

http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html
http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/couldcare.html
http://dictionary.reference.com/help/faq/language/g09.html
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ico1.htm

There are also numerous third party solution providers to the Microsoft experience. This one reviews a reasonable priced consulting group that can provide support in multi vendor environments.

http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html

Couldn't care less!

Not being in Germany, I could also care less.

I feel like being a smartass tonight. So... the expression is "I couldn't care less"!

did I hear someone mention Landru?

The courts could care less whether or not you have representation in a civil case

You keep on using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means. /grammar nazi

And this presents the perfect segue for Lunch, the HP Way -- for those old-school enough to relate to it.

Not all christians could care less about science.

Yeah thanks for that useful reply, I've never heard of sarcasm before, thanks for pointing that out.

This gives you an understanding of how I think the phrase works and why it doesn't make much sense to me in it's current form.

This indicates that both forms are used in America (I'm from New Zealand), but that the form excluding the not is just American.
An interseting quote from this site being: And because it is hard to be sarcastic in writing, it loses its force when put on paper and just ends up looking stupid. In such cases, the older form, while still rather colloquial, at least will communicate your meaning--at least to those who really could care less

This meanwhile says that it's just careless to exclude the not.

Still I never realised that "I could care less" meant the same as "I could not care less", good to know.

Your points would make more sense if you said "I couldn't care less", which is probably what you meant. See http://www.incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.h tml for a clearer explanation than I could provide.

I'm posting the dialog for use in subtitling. The made-up languages are quite difficult to understand at times.

http://www.incompetech.com/swtext.txt

This does not simpute. Simputer will return after deciding your punishment

Gee, it sounds a lot like Landru.

>and misuse of the simple phrase "I couldn't care less"

It means TWO possible things. Both phrases can be interpreted, validly, in two opposite ways. It depends if you are looking at the current or future state of the person.

"I could care less about cars"

Indicates either that, on a "care" scale of 1 to 10, you're at a 10, and therefore care more about cars than the minimum (you are positive towards them in an immediate manner), or, that, on a scale of 1 to 10, you're at 2, and therefore could (and shall) care less about cars than normal (you are negative towards them in a future manner).

"I couldn't care less about cars"

Indicates either that, on a "care" scale of 1 to 10, you're at 1, and therefore hate cars more than you ever will (future), or, you are at 10, and love cars to death at that moment to the point that it would be impossible for you to care less (immediate, although this example doesn't clearly show it, unfortunately).

This might help, a bit.

Some are mistaken, that's because they forget to visualize the scale not as two dimensional (love and hate), but as three dimensional (love, hate, and time). When a time component is added, one can see the phrases' meanings reverse. And yes, I love them both -- complaints about them are a perfect example of what happens when one limits their thoughts to the present, and not the future. I could, and couldn't, care less about them.