Domain: indiana.edu
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Re:So whatWhat, aren't we allowed to state our opinions anymore without having the fear of being haunted by the past?
True; but when you state your opinions, you must realize the extent to which they will illuminate your future actions, and remember illumination when you take those actions, even in the case of civil disobedience.
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Re:Card Games
http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/internet/extra/ho
o sier.html
I bet you don't really know what it meant any more than I did. I stand by "Indianians" as you DID understand it and it is not nor has been derogatory. -
Re:riches wont do you any good
You forget the utmost important first step--petitioning ones governmetn for a redress of grievences. And that very important second step--attempting to change the government through peaceful means.
So when the government makes immoral and unconstitutional laws, I'm supposed to follow them until my congresscritter gets around to reading my mail? It's only ok to help fugitive slaves escape if you write your legislators first? Pardon me, but I must disagree.
Yes, I've written a letters to my congresscritters over the years, and have donated money to NORML and the ACLU, and my vote is certainly influenced by candidates stances on the War on (some) Drugs and other abuses of state power. But it's pissing in the wind.
And since you mentioned doing things that are illegal, let's not forget the first rule of civil disobedience, as taught by Ghandi and King--you NEED the other side to be seen to carry out the law onto you.
I never mentioned civil disobedience. I'm certainly not talking here about civil disobedience as a social movement as practiced by Ghandi and King. If the term "civil disobedience" applies at all, it is in the original sense as used by Thoreau:
Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? WHy has every man a conscience then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right.
...If the injustice is part of the necessary friction of the machine of government, let it go, let it go: perchance it will wear smooth--certainly the machine will wear out. If the injustice has a spring, or a pulley, or a rope, or a crank, exclusively for itself, then perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine. What I have to do is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn.
But I'm not, a priori, limiting the options to civil disobedience; I'm willing to consider the use of justifiable defensive force against violent actions by agents of the state.
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Yaeger, Kay and Newton Handwriting RecognitionThe 2nd version of Newton's Print Recognizer, featured in Newton OS 2.x (from the Newton 130 on, I think) was a vast improvement, as it has been metioned before here and elsewhere.
What has not been metioned (osnews is down at the moment so I can't verify it there) is that unlike the first generation software, the second generation recognition engine (now alive as Inkwell in Mac OS X) was developed in-house at Apple, in the Advanced Technology Group (ATG)
Apple-Newton Handwriting Recognition's lead was Larry Yaeger (who worked with Alan Kay at Apple) and is now at Indiana University where he's back at Artificial Life research. -
Re:HALOThe problem with talking about how hard it is to do AI in games is the fact that game implementers don't need to do actual AI (like Douglas Hofstadter's group is trying to do) but to create NPC's that behave more realistically. I mean, if a cockroach, who has no more than six brain cells, can figure out how to hide if you're chasing it, then it should be no problem for a programmer to figure out how to make an NPC do it.
It occurs to me that, successful human armies don't let their soldiers wait until actual combat and rely on them to figure out what to do in any given circumstance. Instead, they attempt to enumerate the sorts of situations their soldiers are likely to find themselves in and attempt to train those soldiers to handle each of them. Emphasis is placed on recognizing the sort of situation they're in and reacting as they were taught in training. That sounds perfectly amenable to the sort of "rigged demo" approach commonly used in games.
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Re:Semantic Web?
Clay Shirky's objections don't hold water. His examples of faulty logic assume that RDF statements should be reasoned on in isolation. In fact, many systems which pair truth-values with statements are quite capable of avoiding the faulty logic he claims is an inherant consequence of using RDF statments. Look at http://www.cogsci.indiana.edu/farg/peiwang/papers
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Greg EganThe science fiction author Greg Egan has explored this idea in many of his works. I recommend his story, "Learning to Be Me": http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/
The essays in "The Mind's I" edited by Douglas Hofstadter are also of interest: http://www.cogs.indiana.edu/people/homepages/hofs
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Re:One significant thing about the iMac
Troll.
Quartz 2D Extreme has been a long time in the making. It's more likely you clean the toilets at Apple than it is that you do any programming or OS design work.
You're trying to convince us that Adobe doesn't use Quartz 2D at all? Very funny.
http://kb.indiana.edu/data/ajeb.html?cust=760016.5 9534.30
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Re:It's the hardware...Well it's not a book, but there is an interesting article about sleep and how it relates to the Matrix. It's by Andy Clark...
Might you be able to recommend a good book (or journal) on sleep for a scientifically literate non-specialist?
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"How to improve your phishing attack"I don't understand fully people being upset about this, other than uhem, people who gave up their passwords ( whoops! ). It sucks to have someone er, 'make you look stupid'. Of course, there is the potential that they are somehow/somewhere keeping copies of everyone's passwords, though it looks like they're claiming to delete the actual data.
The only thing that really bothers me is that they've essentially shown phishers how to dramatically improve their results :
About 70% of recipients fell victim to the attacks using contextual information from social networks; this is an increase by a factor of 23 compared to known phishing attacks, and by a factor of four compared to the case where the sender is unknown but appears to be in the same domain as the victim
Er... this is sorta like doing research on how to make a better bomb, buddy. This is not socially responsible computer science research, is it? I'd be more interested in determining out how to create a social networking site ( like whatever this "facebook" thing is ) that _can't_ be exploited in such a manner. That sounds like a more productive and useful exercise, and one less likely to get everyone pissed off at you for showing them to be gullible. 70% is a lot, even if that's just an estimate.
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Re:Just watchReading the comments on their blog I stumbled upon this:
I commend the actions of the two graduate students. For those of you here preaching, you might as well walk out and shoot the police officer who provides you with the security you need and desire. The problem is real and people need to be aware. I sit and read about student so sarcastically thanking these fellows for taking their identity, and aside from the sarcasm, everything they are saying is correct.
One contributor states "I'm so sure this 'lesson' is going to make me think real hard the next time I really want to click on a random, suspicious looking, link."
And he's completely correct. This sentence, spoken through the teeth of cynicism, simply sums up the success of this project. No injustice was committed and no wrongful actions have been taken.
For those of you seeking legal action, your minds have more than likely been made and no amount of rebuttal will likely change your course. But I ask that you step back and take all measures of fully informing yourselves before your begin your battle. Go, speak to these gentlemen in person. Learn their truest intentions face to face. Written words can easily become harsh when the reader draws out what they want rather than what was intended.
These men have taken drastic measures to exploit the faults of our system of knowledge. Great faults can only be overcome by even greater measures. If you take nothing from this experiment, understand that at the least, you can consider yourself informed.
I do not attend IU or live in the city of Bloomington. I bring an unbiased opinion. -
In other news
In other news, Indiana University students found to be whiners.
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Re:What does he have on you, Bill?A constitutional representative democracy is not the same thing as a plebiscite democracy. Thus the US has a hierarchy in our legal system:
- federal Constitution
- federal statutes
- state constitutions
- state statutes
- local/country statues
...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government... Declaration of Independence -
Re:I call upon Pope Benedict . . .
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Re:Seems a little silly to me.
Fonts are data, it is that simple. A font file contains information about the looks of letters, numbers etc. A program can then read that data and generate a (graphic) output.
All programs are data, and Postscript is a programming language.As has already been pointed out in other posts, using a GPL tool doesn't make the result/product/etc. GPL.
But it just might... see the GNU General Public License contains this paragraph near the beginning:Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on the Program (independent of having been made by running the Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does.
But if one embeds the fonts in a document, like a PS or a PDF file, you're intrinsically including the program...
Yet if one prints the document, the program is not stored on the page.. the paper will just contain all the glyphs which were made by running the program, in a particular order. Unless the Glyphs themselves were based on the program itself......
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Sorta right
This reinforces my comments (for which I receiced flamage and praise) about Linux being Buhddism and Windows being some form of Christianity.
You can't expect a non-agressive operating system to overcome one that is willing to sign exclusivity deals and such.
If/when Linux takes over windows it will be one one way - the same way that windows got to be omnipresent - trickle-down from companies.
If we can get companies to adopt Linux on the corporate desktop, the home desktops will follow.
Focusing on corporate desktops is something we can do, one company at a time. Eventually we'll ahve critical mass and the rest will collapse in, with the home market to follow.
Focusing on corporate desktops though is hard - they are well seated on Windows. Anything is an upheaval. We'll need to seed it into new companies. For existing companies, we need to find ways of mitigating (where WORTH mitigating) the others. ( + XDMCP server anyone??)
Just think, of IBM had bought MINIX instead of DOS, we'd probably all be on Linux now. IT TRICKLES DOWN. -
Re:What tool to move to?
maybe you should look at the linux kernel mailing list:
http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel /0504.0/1540.html
PS. Don't bother telling me about subversion. If you must, start reading
up on "monotone". That seems to be the most viable alternative, but don't
pester the developers so much that they don't get any work done. They are
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Re:It always stuns me
Last time I checked Canada has 5 times zones... (-8, -7, -6, -5, -4)... 6 if you count Newfoundlands 30 minute offset.
For those who need a visual:
http://www.indiana.edu/~animal/fun/conversions/con vertpix/timezone647x331.gif
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Time on taskQuite a few studies have looked for the "magic bullet" that helps students learn, and only one thing has emerged reliably -- time on task. Yup, the more time you spend working with the material (read: doing homework, working in class, etc.), the better you do academically. The correlation is extremely clear
If you have that emphasis, using computers in the classroom has a positive impact. If you just use computers for the sake of using them (or they distract students away, as in the article), they have a negative impact.
The other place where computers fall down in the classroom is that quite a bit of learning is a social activity, and some of the best teaching moments come from students teaching each other. But, if you put one student at each computer, you've just lost that opportunity. If you put multiple students at a computer, they're all focusing on the computer (and one is probably hogging the keyboard), so you lose that interaction that is so valuable.
The best use so far has been in science curricula where a simulation can replace access to expensive equipment or let students do what would otherwise be a dangerous experiment. But, for basic skills such as reading and math, computers are simply a distraction.
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Re:Egyptian?
Would Arabic flash cards help?
I have some flash cards for Uzbek up there, too, if anybody is interested.
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Re:And that is why...
Not quite. The GeoPort was a serial port with an extra pin to power devices. One such device was GeoPort Telecom Adapter.
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Workshop on Visualization
Katy Börner and I have been organizing a workshop on Information Visualization Infrastructures, including graph drawing packages. The results are available at http://vw.indiana.edu/ivsi2004/
There are lots of different tradeofs involved. One being interactive vs. static graphics. Another being the size of the graphs.
For static graphs, such as class hierarchies and such, Graphviz (http://www.graphviz.org/ works fine and is easy to integrate in a system. For some graphs, Graphviz will not work at all so you need to try first.
For large or dense graphs, above 1000 nodes or more than 4 times more edges than vertices (5n etc), node-link diagrams don't work at all. You could use a matrix but people are not used at reading matrices.
For interactive visualization of graphs, Jung (http://jung.sourceforge.net/) and Prefuse (http://prefuse.sourceforge.net/) are fine if you have small graphs ()
If you are a graph wizard and want to analyze large social networks, you can take a look at Pajek (http://vlado.fmf.uni-lj.si/pub/networks/Pajek/) but it is not a free software and runs mostly on Windows.
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Re:Monitoring Canadians: a benefit?
You've got the wrong term. "Hoosier" is an American term -- it's what you call someone who plays on any of Indiana University's sports teams. See here.
You're thinking of "hoser". A hoser is anyone you don't like. See here for other definitions. It originates from the "Great White North" program on SCTV, hosted by Bob and Doug Mckenzie. See here for a synopsis of the show.
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Re:violent gamesFirst of all, either you are Jack Thompson or you are just cutting and pasting from his web site (5th paragraph).
Secondly, I don't know the specifics of the other studies, but the study done at IU Medical was 1) funded in part by The Center for Successful Parenting which already beleives that media can lead to violent actions and is simply looking for support for their beliefs which makes the findings suspect in my opinion.
2) according to the press release for the IU study says that the kids didn't even PLAY videogames but:watched a car racing video game that had excitement without violent content and a James Bond video game that had excitement and moderately violent content. While watching the video games, the youths were scanned with fMRI to determine changes in brain activity. The youths were not actually playing the video game because of the limitations imposed by the MRI equipment, but they did have the feeling of participation since they pushed a response button each time they thought the video character should take action.
I don't know, but that makes it sound like WATCHING violence is problematic, not playing violent games.
Just because a study is published doesn't mean that it is unbiased or that the popular media won't distort the findings into something much more sensational.
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Hardware design/simulation with Haskell
Check out Lava at Xilinx, Lava at Chalmers, Hawk, the Hardware Design and Synthesis section of Haskell Application Papers on readscheme.org.
The links above lead to programs that are used by companies like Xilinx and Intel to help designers build better chips with existing technology. There are more interesting hardware approaches being investigated with Haskell. Two that come to mind immediately are quantum computing and dataflow-based simulations more related to the Lustre and Lucid languages. Though I do know of some unfinished research in the dataflow/hardware design area, I can't find any published papers at the moment.
One day I'll get around to buying a PCI card with a FPGA and use Haskell to turn it into a reprogrammable coprocessor. So many cool things to learn, so little time... -
Re:huh?!Here is an image claiming to be the results of the double slit experiment.
Here, I think, is the best set up for the experiment -- pass the light through a single slit first to make the results more obvious or something.
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He is about Anonymity, not just security
If you read the other papers this professor has written, a lot of his stuff is about being anonymous. Look at his e-commerce/e-cash stuff and you will see. I get the impression that he has more in mind for this than just banks and its customers. I think he is looking for ideas on how you can trust someone you have never "met".
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Re:Snobbish LISP Advocacy
Furthermore, if I wanted to help my programming career, then I'd learn C++. Why would you reccommend LISP over C++ if your goal is to help me in my programming career?
For the same kinds of reasons that they teach languages like Scheme in universities. What I personally recommend is learning more about the basic principles of programming, which is why I mentioned SICP.
But if you learn a language like Lisp or Scheme properly, you'll be exposed to many of the ideas covered in books like SICP, so learning the language isn't a bad substitute for studying the underlying concepts.
The reason I would recommend doing that over learning C++ is that it provides a foundation for understanding any programming language - it'll be easier to learn and understand C++ afterwards. This has been studied in universities - students who go through the more theoretical introduction to CS concepts using Scheme do better on subsequent courses in Java and C++ than students who start out learning the latter languages (I can dig up references if you care).
The foundational ideas I'm talking about help you to design better programs, even when you're using mainstream languages. To give you some idea of what I'm referring to, I recommend reading The Role of the Study of Programming Languages in the Education of a Programmer (PDF).
One problem Lisp advocates face is, how do you explain to someone that learning Lisp will teach them important things about programming that they don't yet understand? People don't want to believe that, so they respond negatively, and things devolve from there because both sides are human.
My personal experience is that I spent almost 20 years programming in languages like C, C++, Java, and various scripting languages. I developed some successful commercial products in C and C++. But when I read SICP a few years ago, I was intrigued enough to learn more about Scheme, and later some of the more functional languages like ML and OCaml. I only wish I had known about these languages, and the ideas behind them, a long time ago.
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Re:Even the submitters don't read the articles any
I think we're seeing this more and more in IT. As society realizes the fields that IT can apply to, we'll see it move out of engineering and CS departments, and mature into things like the School of Informatics at Indiana University.
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Re:Graduate Program?
How about a M.I.M.E. degree? That's Masters of Immersive Mediated Environments. It's a good program with occasional waffle breakfasts.
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Douglas Hofstadter: When an A is not an A
This brings up the amusing problem of character recognition by human and non-human intelligences. Douglas Hofstadter discusses this issue in on seeing A's and seeing As.
In the case of this exploit, a deep flaw in IDN and computer fonts means that character #1072 is rendered typographically as an "a". The irony is that this is one of the few cases in which a computer can readily tell the difference between "a" and #1072 and a person cannot. The only solution would be rules that prohibit isomorphic characters in typefaces or a in-browser warning system that analyses the potential for ambiguity and alerts the user. -
Re:Plus it isn't open source.
Quarts came out in 10.2
No, Quartz Extreme, which makes use of GPU acceleration, arrived with 10.2. Quartz replaced QuickDraw as the graphics API for the Mac OS. Aqua is the name of the actual windowing system. Here's a bit o' info on it.
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Re:What a silly waste of resources
Ugh, stupid space pen myth won't die...
The Truth:
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
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Wrong.
Two societies - one governed by The Little Red Book, the other by the Declaration of Independence.
Which one do you think will work?
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XLiveCD - Cygwin-based Windows X ServerFor those of you stuck on Windows, XLiveCD might be a rather easy and useful way of getting an X server running. Here's the description from their website:
XLiveCD allows users of Microsoft Windows to connect to remote Unix computers, run graphical applications and have the graphics displayed on their desktops. The software runs from the CD without being installed. XLiveCD was prepared by University Technology Services to facilitate use of research Unix systems at Indiana University by Windows users on campus.
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Re:Google is Doomed: Good Riddance
It goes far beyond this. Research into genetic and herdity has revealed that there are large differences between intelligence of various races. Perhaps you might be interested in the work of Arthur Jensen who has studied this for many years, unfourtunately his work has been largely ignored or censored by publications due to its highly contraversial (but nonetheless accurate) subject matter.
Simply put, the average Caucasian male is simply not gentically equipped to compete with the large number of Asians out there who are in same fields of study and scholastic advancement. The free-market of education and companies who want only the best and most talented mind have brought about this change in racial composistion. -
Full Moon
Of course, this all happening at full moon will probably fuel the people who study whether the gravitational pull of the sun and moon impacts the occurrence of earthquakes like it does tides.
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Re:Just because 6.2% don't have phonesJust because 6.2% of people don't have wired phones doesn't mean that the service isn't available to them. A lot of people ditch their wired lines and just use their cell phone.
Correct. Of course, for those who lack either land line or cellphone service, there is a cheaper way to join the telecommunications revolution.
Hey man, I didn't say it was convenient.
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I guess I'll have to read the book to be sure,
but isn't this terrain Douglas Hofstadter covered about twenty-five years ago in Gödel, Escher, Bach? Does Johnson's book say much new? Has a quarter-century's "progress" in CA and AI brought us any closer to singularity? And will I ever stop posting this comment in rhetorical question form?
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Re:I have said it before and I'll say it again...Civil disobedience involves suffering the consequences of your action, to bring the public's attention to those consequences.
This is true of civil disobedience as a tactic to force change. This is typified in Martin Luther Kings "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" where he said:I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.
But this is not the only statement on civil disobedience. If you remember your Thoreau, he does not respect the law at all, but respects men. It's pretty clear from my reading that unjust laws are of no force whatever, and while it is good to use King's tactic, it is not required.It is not a man's duty, as a matter of course, to devote himself to the eradication of any, even to most enormous, wrong; he may still properly have other concerns to engage him; but it is his duty, at least, to wash his hands of it, and, if he gives it no thought longer, not to give it practically his support.
I came into this world, not chiefly to make this a good place to live in, but to live in it, be it good or bad. A man has not everything to do, but something; and because he cannot do everything, it is not necessary that he should be petitioning the Governor or the Legislature any more than it is theirs to petition me; and if they should not hear my petition, what should I do then?
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All browsers??
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you may not be far off base
You joke but you may not be far off base. Look how many of the last 10 presidents have been left-handers it's over 50% or close to it. Also look at the famous leaders through out history. There is a new school of though that left hander hold a small percentage of the population due to the fact that there are the natural born leaders and you only need so many chiefs. This may also account for the depression, metal disorders shown in left hander that are not fulfilling their genetic destiny. It's all theoretical stuff but pretty interesting.
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List of Famous Left Handed People
- Jim Henson
- Half of the Beatles (The half that still walks on this earth)- Paul and Ringo
- Ross Perot
- Henry Ford
- Joel Hodgson
- Jay Leno
- Matt Groening
- Mark Twain
- Michelangelo, Raphael, Leonardo (The painters)
- Don Adams
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Re:It obviously means"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" can't be amended out of the Constitution... because it isn't in the Constitution. (Or, if it is, it's escaped me.)
No, that phrase is found, quite appropriately, in the Declaration of Independence:When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Read the whole thing some time.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness... -
Re:"Could this be it?" NO.
That's called innate immunity, and it has little to do with the immune system. Actually this is a form of evolution, which means that the necessary mutation must occur and be selected for before it has any chance of stifling the spread of the disease. And that process can take decades to hundreds of years.
In fact that innate immunity against HIV is already present in the form of ccr5delta32 individuals, mainly in caucasians and possibly as a result of the Black Death. There are other genotypes where ccr5 has been lost as well, present in other populations. The resistance to infection with a ccr5 knockout is strong but not perfect, and has a lot to do with the fact that HIV usually infects people via macrophages with their ccr5 coreceptors. You can also be infected via your T-cells expressing the cxcr4 coreceptor, although since that may require blood-to-blood transmission it is a far less efficient pathway. It would be wrong to assume that the ccr5delta32 mutation makes us stronger though - it just protects us from this one disease. One could argue that the force of evolution is usually applied not developing novel attributes but simply tweaking the ones we already have to maintain the status quo - the Red Queen Hypothesis. ccr5 is involved in cell signalling, and although it appears we can survive without it, there may be underappreciated side effects, like the possiblity it plays a role in multiple sclerosis, as I said before. -
Re:The Mighty Drosophila Robot?
For ideas on how to get rid of un-wanted fruit flies see what people who grow them for a living do here
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Re:What's with the (s)he?The Windows calculator default, which has 32 significant digits:
3.1415926535897932384626433832795
Your question made me calculate it again, though, with 100 decimal places on e, pi, and sqrt(163):
(I know this isn't really the right way to do significant digits, especially with exponents, but it looks like everything past the 16th decimal place on the result is relatively meaningless, so I think I'm safe...)sqrt(163) ~=
Long answer, but I wanted to make sure calc.exe wasn't misleading me.
12.7671453348037046617109520097808923473823637 8030 12588512126029838487261728902392595594234838675318 724
pi ~=
3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 10582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706 79
sqrt(163) * pi ~=
40.1091699911325197553500836229041400539005348 1224 58734406107015404701087892483085085878768851896494 372
e ~=
2.718281828459045235360287471352662497757247093699 95957496696762772407663035354759457138217852516642 74
e ^ (sqrt(163) * pi) =
262537412640768743.9999999999992500725971981856 888 79353856337336990862707537410378210647910118607312 6534265238592035364 :) -
Re:MirrorsEven the Mirror list is slow, here are some direct links.
http://www.artfiles.org/mozilla.org/firefox/releas es/1.0/(Germany)
ftp://ftp.lab.kdd.co.jp/Mozilla/firefox/releases/1 .0/
http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/pub/mozilla/firefox/release s/1.0/
ftp://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/pub/mozilla/firefox/releases /1.0/
ftp://ftp.rediris.es/mirror/mozilla/firefox/releas es/1.0/
http://ftp.rediris.es/mirror/mozilla/firefox/relea ses/1.0/
http://sunsite.rediris.es/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/ releases/1.0/
ftp://sunsite.rediris.es/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/r eleases/1.0/
ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/mirror/mozilla/firef ox/releases/1.0/
ftp://mozilla.isc.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rele ases/1.0/ (US)
ftp://trillian.cc.gatech.edu/pub/mozilla.org/firef ox/releases/1.0/
ftp://mozilla.ussg.indiana.edu/pub/mozilla.org/fir efox/releases/1.0/
ftp://mozilla.oregonstate.edu/pub/mozilla.org/fire fox/releases/1.0/
http://mirrors.kernel.org/mozilla/firefox/releases /1.0/ (US)
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Mirrors
ftp://mozilla.isc.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel
e ases/1.0/
ftp://mozilla.ussg.indiana.edu/pub/mozilla.org/fir efox/releases/1.0/
ftp://mozilla.oregonstate.edu/pub/mozilla.org/fire fox/releases/1.0/
Official mozilla.org torrent for Win32:
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rele ases/1.0/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%201.0.exe.tor rent