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Yeah, you tell 'em brother, because nothing like that would ever happen in the United States. No religion would carve out its own enclave in this country or force women to submit to its "teachings". Nor would they harass girls or demand their religious take precedence.

It's not like most pictures of a kid in a swimsuit are CP, nor even nude pictures.

You would be surprised what is considered CP sometimes.

https://jonathanturley.org/200...

Is the picture dad just took of mom bathing their new infant for the first time in the kitchen sink CP?

FYI, that has been prosecuted as CP before.

https://jonathanturley.org/200...

It won't give itself a break. It's still the same misgoverned hellhole it was in 1989. These midwest cities are basket cases and they don't want to change.

Dear coward

He also leaked tons of information about the unquestionably legal foreign intelligence activities of the US. There's no argument about that. It's a slam-dunk case and any lawyer would advise him to plea bargain for all he can, because he has no chance of winning in court.

Any "lawyer"? No hedging or dodging now. You're the one taking the moral high ground we're all looking to you to set the standards

This is the internet. Did it not occur to you that readers might use other parts of the internet to read opinion of lawyers that don't agree with that? Professor Jonanthan Turley (or is a leading expert in Military and Constitutional law good not enough?), Ben Wizner, Anatoly Kucherena, Robert Tibbo, Albert Ho, Jonathan Man, Baltasar Garzon. Which ones are not lawyers? ,No chance of a fair trial, and not a good idea to face one.

tl;dr You are wrong. You are so full of wrong if you're doing this for free you're a wrong-headed fool.

Bush, Cheney and Obama should man up – and turn themselves in – before Snowden.

Dear coward

He also leaked tons of information about the unquestionably legal foreign intelligence activities of the US. There's no argument about that. It's a slam-dunk case and any lawyer would advise him to plea bargain for all he can, because he has no chance of winning in court.

Any "lawyer"? No hedging or dodging now. You're the one taking the moral high ground we're all looking to you to set the standards

This is the internet. Did it not occur to you that readers might use other parts of the internet to read opinion of lawyers that don't agree with that? Professor Jonanthan Turley (or is a leading expert in Military and Constitutional law good not enough?), Ben Wizner, Anatoly Kucherena, Robert Tibbo, Albert Ho, Jonathan Man, Baltasar Garzon. Which ones are not lawyers? ,No chance of a fair trial, and not a good idea to face one.

tl;dr You are wrong. You are so full of wrong if you're doing this for free you're a wrong-headed fool.

Bush, Cheney and Obama should man up – and turn themselves in – before Snowden.

Is this really surprisisng?

Well, they warn weathermen in NK they could be executed for giving the wrong forecasts! Depending on where you are in the world, it might be a possibility...

http://jonathanturley.org/2014...

Oh, you don't like it? Sure, one is not even allowed to think this. Women NEVER lie about rape. And if they do...nooo, they still don't. So better shut up.
Don't like the The Telegraph? There are other examples.... oops... Not a singular case? Must be a conspiracy of the patriarchy.

http://jonathanturley.org/2009...

At least the police acted correctly . But the stupid journalists definitely need another brainwash.

Carrying money? https://www.youtube.com/watch?... You don't get arrested, they just take the money. They don't even have to charge you with a crime. They just get a cop to say "well, in my opinion it's illegal"

Picture of your kid breastfeeding? http://jonathanturley.org/2009...

No idea about the shovel thing.

In any case, it's not "a gigafactory" it's "The Gigafactory". It's a proper name.

Well then, somebody needs to tell the media, because they sure do like treating it as a common noun.

Tesla can call it what they like, just as you can call any children you have exactly what you want.

Not exactly true.

Screw You.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/ar...

http://jonathanturley.org/2014...

Not to argue any of your other points, but there are atheists (and atheist societies) that would gladly kill Christians for there belief, and we have their actions and regulations to prove it.

But do we have a link to back that up? It's suspiciously missing from your post.

I do know that U.S. Christians, as a group, are among the most charitable and selfless people in the world.

Are you sure?

How about, "don't have evidence of crimes on your phone," because "you aren't a criminal."

Are you absolutely sure you don't have evidence of a crime on your phone? Because there are professionals, such as Harvey Silverglate, that think you probably do. Personally, I'm more inclined to believe him than either your or my own understanding of the literally thousands of laws & regulations that would turn you into one. Read Three Felonies A Day. Good book.

because there was a bad cop once, and since he wasn't instantly outed by co-workers, that all cops are part of his nefarious plan to subvert your rights at all junctions.

Way to understate the criminal activity of entire divisions , entire towns and even the entire police force for major US Cities. Shall I mention the federal agencies engaged in some questionable to illegal spying?

NOT assuming cops are out to get you is exactly how you get fucked over. That is why the first words out of every criminal defense attorney are synonymous with "shut up."

So, you can let them search your phone. And when they find evidence of something you thought was innocent, like a picture of your kids taking a bath, and arrest & charge you, you can come back here, read this, and slap your forehead.

If I smack'em one, I would only be charged with assault and battery and NOT auscultating a police officer?

And if they wrongfully broke into my house for a raid and I shot them, I wouldn't be charged for killing a cop?

I got four letters for you:J-U-R-Y. A panel of reasonable people will be able to interpret the meaning of the upskirt law, and be able to differentiate between pervs on the subway and accidental photo bombs the beach. That's the whole point of juries and why they are such an important part of the justice system.

Whether you go to jail or not is obviously important but your life can be severely disrupted by police and prosecutors with nothing better to do.

http://jonathanturley.org/2009...

On one occasion a parent's Lumia account was closed without warning when they uploaded pictures from the phone displaying their kids playing naked on the beach at their summer cottage.

This says more about the hysteria in certain industrialized markets where all nudity is considered sexual for the purposes of zero tolerance regulations against production of alleged child porn. See also prosecutions of parents who photograph their children in the bathtub.

Don't forget that rape isn't illegal everywhere.

In some places, BEING raped is illegal. Because it's sex outside marriage.

http://trueslant.com/nealungerleider/2010/01/21/saudi-arabia-to-lash-filipino-rape-victim-100-times/

http://jonathanturley.org/2008/05/14/rape-in-saudi-arabia-reporter-has-eye-opening-conversation-with-young-saudi-males/

Because that's what the NRA does - everything it can to make sure that nothing ever changes, no matter how ridiculous the claims they make have to become. You remember the bit about arming all teachers and posting armed guards at every elementary school? Or other bullshit. That's their thing, that's why they exist.

Not often, I'd think. Failed SWAT raids are quite expensive, and embarrassing. The SWAT members involved would not take wasting their time lightly.

You gotta be kidding.

Here's a case where police broke in because the woman in the home screamed. Why did she scream? Because an officer not in uniform pointed a gun at her through the window:

http://jonathanturley.org/2013/07/22/federal-marshals-raid-womans-home-after-she-screams-and-hides-from-officer-pointing-gun-at-her-at-her-window/

It hasn't gotten to that (yet) and it didn't get to that point in the colonies, although there were sure some "isolated incidents" just like here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston_shooting , http://jonathanturley.org/2011/01/20/utah-police-execute-no-knock-warrant-on-home-and-shot-and-kill-man-holding-golf-club/ )

Colonial life under George III wasn't the "killing fields" but yet Americans look at that as tyranny but in 2013 it is much worse than 1776 and yet the west hasn't done anything about it.

One day?? PROTIP: They are already gone! ALL of them!

Right now, it is completely legal to point at you and your family, yell "terrorists", grab you with an unmarked van, detain you in a East-European or South American concentration camp, without right to a trial, without right to outside communication, without the Geneva convention applying and without even the right to ask why!
They don't even have to to tell your family anything. But that doesn't matter, because now it's also legal to just "drone strike" them.

After all, they were dirty "terrorists"!

$CurrentGovernmentPRPuppetAndStrawman* asked "Is this who we are?"
YES. This is *exactly* who you are!

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(* who goes by the name of "Obama", but that is irrelevant, since In that aspect there is zero difference between him an the previous puppet. Exactly because he is a puppet that doesn't matter, and only exists as a sponge for people's hatred against the government. When the sponge is full, it gets replaced. The rulers and their actions stay the same.)

It's a hypothetical situation.

But not difficult to find news reports of similar shootings, jealous husbands/lovers, accidental shootings, mistaken identity.

For example, death facilitated by "law abiding citizens" with guns.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083886/Robin-Heidt-Wife-affair-brother-law-drove-gun-family-speaks-time.html
http://www.durhamregion.com/news/crime/article/1610791--documentary-probes-accidental-shooting-of-former-oshawa-teen
http://jonathanturley.org/2013/03/20/homeowner-shoots-and-kills-teen-who-entered-wrong-home-after-party/
http://www.spectacle.org/996/who.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270105/Phillip-Walker-Sailers-69-accused-killing-Rodrigo-Abad-Diaz-22-pulled-driveway-house.html
http://theadvocate.com/home/4109368-125/death-of-exchange-student-painful

I suppose, in the end it depends if you consider those deaths "for the greater good" - an acceptable consequence of liberal gun control.

You are giving the reason why American police, and who trained/put them into that way, should be put right now in jail as preemptive punishment. They will kill innocent people, sooner or later, phone jokes or not, things like this or this will continue to happen,

And with guns practically mandated to normal citizens, social engineering could be a lethal weapon too, but again, the one shooting would still be the real killer.

Rare as in compared to the number of calls of this nature cops go out on every day your odds of being shot are statistically zero.

Just exactly how often to you think SWAT is called out to raid a house?

Are they like traffic stops? Cuz I gotta say that if there are a dozen people accidentally shot each year by a cop during a traffic stop, then that's too many and not "statistically zero." I'm willing to bet that the number of SWAT raids is substantially less than the number of traffic stops, and the rate of accidental/unnecessary killings orders of magnitude higher.

In fact, why don't you have a look at this blog and think about the "statistically zero" chance of unnecessary deaths. Think about whether terrorists or SWAT kill more US civilians in a year.

Few people know how to shoot a rifle today. Imagine a population that knows nothing about firearms and becomes engaged in a land war. Bringing troops to the ready will be extremely difficult.

Estimates are that during the Vietnam War 30K-60K bullets were fired for every enemy casualty. In Iran and Afghanistan they speak of a quarter of a million rounds per enemy casualty. To some degree these poor numbers can be laid to "cover fire" but it also cannot be denied that the average army grunt is nowhere as skilled a shot as his grandfather.

Contrast the Civil War (estimates 500 shots/kill) where the largely rural South had an advantage over the urban North because their soldiers had been hunting and shooting all their lives.

"Too bad Bruce doesn't support your choice to not give up yours. He would benevolently take away everybody's right to self defense by the bearing of arms and not "miss it." Lovely..."

He's not talking about taking anyone's right to self defence, just to own a gun, something which is not necessary for self defence.

When I was in Canada last, speaking to a cop friend there she asked how on earth our police survive by not carrying guns. She asked, what happens when someone comes at them with a knife?

I answer that it's quite simple, they spray CS spray in the guy's face, grab the knife with their slash proof gloves, and them smack the fucker round the back of the head with their night stick.

Stop being a bunch of pussies pretending you need firearms to protect yourself.

"You can try to control them by legislation, but you inevitably end up just making it more difficult for honest citizens to have them."

Yes, and that's exactly the point. The guy who carried out this massacre, and just about every other massacre in the US was an honest citizen until the event.

"Our experience has shown that such "experiments" do little, if anything, to prevent criminals and lunatics from having guns, but we know that they are emboldened by the prospect that others are less likely to have guns. Case in point: this tragedy happened in a so-called "gun-free zone."

This is what one would normally call a lie. In the UK gun crime has drastically decreased as a result of our gun control laws, knife crime has increased in it's place, but nowhere near enough to make up for the drop in gun crime, giving us a large net drop in crimes involving weapons. I'm not sure what your case in point is supposed to mean? The only case in point is that a guy with a legitimately owned weapon yet again murdered a bunch of innocent people. A weapon that he quite likely would not have been able to acquire with sensible gun laws.

Your next paragraph is again just full of completely made up lies and completely counter to the truth, so I wont even waste my time with that one, and for what it's worth I was in the TA (the UK's reserve force) so yes, I know how to handle a gun, but this doesn't change the fact that accidents do happen, and stupidity trumps everything in your argument:

http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/25/man-shoots-and-kills-wife-while-using-gun-to-drill-holes/

"This discussion won't change anything about today's sad tragedy, but how might this situation have turned out differently if the teachers had been allowed to opt to train with a firearm (if they so chose) and allowed to keep a secure firearm on their person."

Hahahaha, hahahahaha. Yeah, great, then multiply this across every school in the US, and when little Timmy finds teachers gun and accidently blows little Sarah away you can pretend it's because little Timmy wasn't trained, and all kids should be trained in fire arms from birth. You can also pretend that a teacher will trivially be able to draw faster than their attacker, and have time for better training (you know, rather than simply learning to teach better- what they're there for), and when it comes to, actually pull the trigger. Because, you know, even large proportions of trained soldiers struggle to find the courage to shoot at the enemy to make the kill:

http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/THE-SCIENCE-OF-CREATING-KILLERS-Human-2514123.php

As pointed out in the article, you can train them out of this, you can train them to be killers. Because that's exactly what you want, you want primary school teachers trained to be killers and armed.

Well done, you just offered a way of drastically increasing the number of psycopaths in America. Feel free to completely rethink your position, try again, and offer a suggestion a bit more useful next time.

USPS is failing because it's been "grappling for years with high costs and tumbling mail volumes"?

No. The truth is that the GOP has been trying to kill USPS by mandating the prefunding of all USPS benefits for the next 75 years!

The Post Office would be solvent if it had reasonable requirements placed on it, but the GOP wants the public to think that is impossible.

See: http://jonathanturley.org/2012/05/06/going-postal-in-washington-d-c-the-usps-the-postal-accountability-and-enhancement-act-of-2006-union-busting-and-paving-the-road-to-privatization/

We have a 100 mile wide "no warrants" zone adjacent to our entire border. Within which, by the way, 200 million of our citizens live.

Australia has a loooong way to go to catch up to our Orwellian fuckery.

But hey. If you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about right? I mean, it's not like they'd just take your money without a warrant or anything, right? RIGHT?

Just be extremely careful about exactly what your children are wearing in those photos.

There's a tendency to think that the US is above all this -- that Bertrand Russell's famous saying ("Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.") refers not to the future, but to the past, and that we have all somehow become enlightened, that we've matured out of these primitive superstitions along with the violence, hatred, prejudice, bigotry, slavery, and ignorance that they support.

But we haven't. Let me suggest the following thought experiment to you: write on a large piece of posterboard "I skullfucked Mary and shit on Jesus' face." Now go stand with that poster on a streetcorner in Topeka, Kansas at 9 AM on Monday morning. Do you think you'll survive the day?

Of course these are purely mythical creatures, no more real than Arthur Dent or Allah or Harry Potter or Zeus or Loki or any other fiction. But, amazing, there are people on this planet -- including in Topeka, Kansas, in the heart of the United States -- who will attack and kill you for that sign.

Some will point out that at least this isn't codified into law: that is, that such attacks are extralegal. My response to that is (a) not yet, they aren't, although if you're paying any attention to contemporary American politics you know full well that there are numerous attempts underway to make Christianity the state religion and (b) it's not clear to me why, when you're lying in the street bleeding and dying, the lack of statutory authority will matter to you.

When we in the United States have progressed beyond this -- when we no longer live in a society where atheists are considered as trustworthy as rapists -- then perhaps we can claim some measure of the moral high ground here.

In any case, members of the US military swear an oath to defend the Constitution. Asking the US Military to "take out" American citizens would likely incite a civil war;

No, it barely got noticed in the news.

http://jonathanturley.org/2011/09/30/did-obama-just-assassinate-a-u-s-citizen-aulaqi-killing-raises-questions-over-presidential-powers/

We aren't? We are assassinating "innocent" American citizens on secret presidential orders (assuming you believe in presumed innocent until found guilty, as the murdered were never even charged with a crime and never had a chance to respond, other than bleeding in the direction of the drone that executed them). http://jonathanturley.org/2011/09/30/did-obama-just-assassinate-a-u-s-citizen-aulaqi-killing-raises-questions-over-presidential-powers/

When such terrorists/traitors (if he were one) were tried in absentia and legally determined to be "bad" then we have some high moral ground to speak from, but the US is assassinating/executing US citizens for suspected crimes without trial. Is that really the best we can do? If so, we really are no better than China, other than being less efficient at dealing with our undesirables (but they do it more doesn't work, if we do it at all, we are worse than them because we are no better than them, while simultaneously claiming to be better than them).

In all of those cases a plea bargain was made between the defendant and the prosecutor. In each case a Judge must sign off and approve that the agreement is fair to all parties. So it is how it works in practice. There are many instances where judges have rejected them, especially in civil fraud cases.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/52263468-79/wright-investors-million-plea.html.csp

http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpps/entertainment/trouble-for-willie-nelson-as-judge-rejects-plea-bargain-dpgonc-20110707-ch_14023686

http://jonathanturley.org/2011/06/03/answering-the-lords-prayer-judge-rejects-plea-as-too-lenient-jury-then-acquits-defendant/

Obama's rhetoric on civil liberties during the 2008 campaign was spot on. Given how horrible his actual civil liberties track record has been - "Obama has proved a disaster not just for specific civil liberties but the civil liberties cause in the United States" is how Jonathan Turley described him in a recent LA Times opo-ed - I'd like to hear him or one of his spokespeople try to defend his record on this matter.

Behavioral profiling is effective.

Considering that TSA can't even weed out criminals during the hiring process I don't have much faith that TSA agents will prove much more adept at picking out terrorists in a 30 second interview prior to boarding an airplane.

You don't complain to your landlord when someone breaks into your home.

I'd raise holy hell if my landlord didn't provide an adequate lock for the front door, and the lease didn't permit me to install one myself! Care to try again, perhaps with a car analogy?

These days, you'll be lucky if the police even bother to send anyone over to take a report, for a simple breaking-and-entering case. "They're working in shifts! Ah, ha, ha, ha..." Same with Google.

Tyranny? Don't go pretending that Democrats aren't tyrants.

Obama asserts the right to execute American citizens without any kind of trial, charges, or judicial oversight based on nothing but allegations, i.e., Obama says your are a terrorist -- you get murdered and don't get a chance to defend yourself. Look up Amendments 4-6.

Read: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/10/02/assassinations/index.html
Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JojnYXRrBaI

Don't ask don't tell: Obama fulfilled his duty to defend the law in court and lost. He could have left it there, but chose to appeal. You can't blame that on obstructionist republicans because you just don't accidentally file an appeal and republicans can neither further nor hinder the decision to appeal. http://jonathanturley.org/2010/10/20/obama-administration-loses-effort-to-block-injunction-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-announces-appeal-to-reverse-victory-over-dadt/

Then of course there is the refusal to prosecute the illegal wiretapping of the previous administration, but rather to immunize the evildoers: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/01/obama-sides-wit/

Closing Gitmo? Not. But worse, since the procedures at Gitmo have been declared unconstitutional, Obama is merely shifting operations to Bagram, as if the place in which one denies Habeas Corpus is of such great import: http://www.scotusblog.com/2010/05/no-habeas-at-bagram/

Obama uses the state secrets doctrine to prevent civil lawsuits against American companies complicit in the plaintiffs' torture under Bush's rendition program: http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2010/09/suit_alleging_cia_torture_dism.html

The incident that spawned this database of children:

In spring 1999, Victoria Climbié (born 2 November 1991 in Abobo, Ivory Coast, died 25 February 2000 in St. Mary's Hospital, London) and her great aunt Marie-Thérèse Kouao arrived in London, sent by her parents for a chance of an education. A few months later, Kouao met Carl Manning on a bus which he was driving, and she and Victoria moved into his flat. It was here that she was abused, including being beaten with hammers, bike chains, and wires; being forced to sleep in a bin liner in the bath; and being tied up for periods of longer than 24 hours. Up to her death, the police, the social services of many local authorities, the NHS, the NSPCC, and local churches all had contact with her, and noted the signs of abuse. However, in what the judge in the trial following Victoria's death described as "blinding incompetence"

- Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contactpoint

I can guarantee you that if this child was not physically abused, but instead had a picture taken of her with her clothes off (like in a bathtub) then those guardians would have ended up being arrested immediately and the child taken into protective services.

Because in this day and age violence is acceptable (to a degree) and excusable (for "punishment"), but nudity and sexuality are considered threatening and abusive. It is a perverted society that we live in.

Meet the scum that is Thomas Dunlap of the Dunlap, Grubb & Weaver law firm (aka US Copyright Group): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/30/ashley-biden-cocaine-tape_n_180703.html http://jonathanturley.org/2009/03/30/sellers-remorse-lawyer-reportedly-first-tries-to-sell-tape-of-ashley-b iden-allegedly-snorting-cocaine-and-then-withdraws/

Of course it will immediately be adopted across police departments because as we all know tasers are perfectly safe. It is interesting to note when officers fire their pistols, they continue firing until the ammo is depleted. There is no reason to believe this practice won't continue with semi-automatic taser guns because many taser deaths were due to multiple hits from several officers. Of course these occurred because the suspect would not stop flailing about on the ground due to being repeatedly hit with electricity (officers refer to this as resisting). That is merely the unfortunate side effect of electricity causing involuntary muscle contractions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuXR0F6ZQzc

Posting AC is not going to help if your employers look at the firewall logs of where you visited and it hurts your credibility a bit. From your fear of discovery I take it your boss reads /. and knows your handle.

The OP may have some facts wrong but here is another one where "Mistake of Fact" failed, twice.

13 year old lied about age and gets TWO guys convicted of statutory rape

Care to try and call this one BS as well?

I hope your not billing a client while reading ./

Here in Texas we don't need any fancy license-plate-scanning computers to notice our judges.
We just put "State Judge" on their license plates!

It especially helps them find their ride after a few drinks.

Heck, they're even kind enough to return the favor :)