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Re:Look and Feel
XPDE, for one.
Mind, it's got the uncanny valley problem after a fashion. It looks, sometimes a lot, like WinXP. But it's decidedly different in subtle (and not so subtle) ways. In balance, I'd think the result is more unsettling rather than less. You're better off with an environment that uses familiar motifs, but doesn't just ape another model.
There are a large number of desktops for Linux, and most of them are highly themable. KDE and GNOME are probably the leaders, and both are highly themeable. I found XFCE4 is really popular among kids (6-18), and prefer WindowMaker myself: clean, configurable, light, stable, and out of my face.
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Kopete
Do not forget Kopete if you're a KDE user, it is nicely integrated with the system. You can compile it without KDE dependences (QT is needed, though) if you use another DE / WM. Not available for win32 withouth doing nasty things with cygwin.
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valgrind
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Re:Platform or application?I have found Konqueror to not be supported by many websites, including such as gmail.com.
I too have had some problems with Konqueror choking, but it's almost execlusively been due to badly formed html.
I noticed that the latest KDE release (3.3.2) has literally dozens of fixes to the khtml code, including at least one that mentions gmail specifically. I haven't tried it out myself yet, but have a look at the changelog. The improvements made with each release of KDE are quite astonishing. Previous show-stopper bugs in Konq have been alleviated by point releases in the past, at least for me.
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Re:Wrong Argument
There is simply hands down a hundred things the Linux kernel can do that the NT kernel can't in it's current state. Software raid(as i mentioned in another post)
What features does Linux's software RAID offer that Windows 2000's software RAID doesn't?
seperate cli/gui
"Separate" in what sense?
removing internet explorer
What does the kernel (in the sense of "code running in whatever corresponds to 'kernel mode' on the CPU") have to do with that? To a large degree, the "integration" of IE in Windows means that much of IE is a wrapper around libraries that provide HTML rendering, HTTP/FTP/etc. backends, and the like, and that those are also available to other applications. (That's something that can be found with at least one browser in at least one desktop environment on Linux and other UN*Xes as well.)
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Re:slightly OT but..
Oops..here is the link
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Quantian articleI own the quantian.org domain. The following is from my article on the Quantian Distribution. Here is a brief run down of links, programs, and other goodies in Quantian.
- R, including several add-on packages (such as tseries, RODBC, coda, mcmcpack, gtkdevice, rgtk, rquantlib, qtl, dbi, rmysql), out-of-the box support for the powerful ESS modes for XEmacs as well as the Ggobi visualisation program;
- A complete teTeX, TeX, and LaTeX setup for scientific publishing, along with TeXmacs and LyX for wysiwyg editing;
- Perl and Python with loads of add-ons, plus ruby, tcl, Lua, and Scientific and Numeric Python;
- The Emacs and Vim editors, as well as Gnumeric, kate, Koffice, jed, joe, nedit and zile;
- Octave, with add-on packages octave-forge, octave-sp, octave-epstk, and matwrap;
- Computer-algebra systems Maxima, Pari/GP, GAP, GiNaC and YaCaS;
- the QuantLib quantitative finance library including its Python interface;
- GSL, the Gnu Scientific Library (GSL) including example binaries;
- The GNU compiler suite comprising gcc, g77, g++ compilers;
- the OpenDX, Plotmtv, and Mayavi data visualisation systems;
- it includes apcalc,aribas,autoclass,
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Re:Might other word processors adopt the format??
I wonder how feasible it would be for other word processors, such as AbiWord, to use this format natively...
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Re:Might other word processors adopt the format??
I wonder how feasible it would be for other word processors, such as AbiWord, to use this format natively. Or, at least appear to use the format natively.
The OpenOffice format is being standardised by OASIS and the KOffice developers have decided to use it as the native format in future.
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Re:AOL's fault?
I, and I suspect most slashdotters, use a multi-protocol client, in my case Kopete. And I do ask people to use Jabber, as it's the only way file transfers work for me, but few of them listen.
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Re:Screenshots?
It mostly looks like KDE 3.3 but with Plastik as default style and window decoration.
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Re:Screenshots?
From what I understand, it wasn't a major graphical overhaul. You can find an official feature plan here. It looks like KHTML, the Kicker, and the PIM suite (plus Kopete) got the big additions.
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More options...
Repeat after me: E-mail clients on Linux are NOT a problem.
* Mutt (console based and unlike PINE its Free and better)
* Evolution (for GNOME)
* KMail (for KDE).
* Sylpheed (for GTK+).
* GNUMail (for GNUstep)
* More at Freshmeat.net > Communications :: Email Clients (MUA)
Perhaps redundant links here and there, but this is a good overal start. I excluded Thunderbird and Mozilla because those are heavily known already. Also, some of the above clients might run on other Unices, other OSes -- including MacOSX and Windows. -
More options...
Repeat after me: E-mail clients on Linux are NOT a problem.
* Mutt (console based and unlike PINE its Free and better)
* Evolution (for GNOME)
* KMail (for KDE).
* Sylpheed (for GTK+).
* GNUMail (for GNUstep)
* More at Freshmeat.net > Communications :: Email Clients (MUA)
Perhaps redundant links here and there, but this is a good overal start. I excluded Thunderbird and Mozilla because those are heavily known already. Also, some of the above clients might run on other Unices, other OSes -- including MacOSX and Windows. -
Re:Someone needs to make spyware illegal
rtfm
Kiosk mode was added somewhere in KDE 3x , support for it has been improving, although the best way to make a REAL kiosk is to mount /home as readonly. -
Are you sure about KDE?
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Re:Rite of PassageDon't forget the unintentional stack smashing, which is all too easy to do when you're writing tricky pointer code in C, and damned hard to find, especially when you barely understand the code you just wrote in the first place.
For stuff like this, a wonderful debugging tool is valgrind -- it takes about 5 minutes to download and install (GPL, Linux/x86), and will find all kinds of memory-usage bugs in your program that you never even knew existed. -
Re:On the contrary
Don't bet on it That's only one example, but there are many others. Just do some searching around on the KDE lists (hint: search for WebCore, not Safari.)
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Re:IMAP filtering in KMailFrom the KDE 3.4 Release Plan:
KMail - In Progress:- Client side IMAP filtering. Till Adam, Don Sanders
- Type-specific configuration dialogs for folders Aaron J. Seigo
- Asynchronization of expensive filter actions. Till Adam, Don Sanders
- Improved responsiveness for delete/copy/move of multiple messages. Don Sanders
- Imap folders as targets for filter move actions. Till Adam, Don Sanders
- Multipart/related mail support. Don Sanders
- Full text index. Don Sanders
Check out the full list for finished and TODO items as well! -
Re:IMAP filtering in KMailFrom here
KMail
So...yes?- Asynchronous encryption Ingo Kloecker , Marc Mutz
- Namespace support for IMAP Carsten Burghardt
- Using komposer Zack Rusin
- Full text indexing Don Sanders
- Leave on server for x days for POP Don Sanders
- Asynchronous filtering Don Sanders
- Multi/part related mails Don Sanders
- Get rid of mimelib (a.k.a. KMime). Marc Mutz
- Redesign filters to use Sieve internally. Allow editing of Sieve scripts on IMAP servers to get rid of the bug reports a la "KMail doesn't support IMAP folders for filtering" Marc Mutz
- Make the visible headers configurable, allow for "show all and hide specified headers" as well as "show specified headers". Already available as a patch. Klas Kalass
- Rewrite the composer window to drop KEdit and support richtext engines. (old ktexteditor patch available here). See also the new code in libkdepim/komposer Zack Rusin
- Improved configuration of header and attachment views Aaron J. Seigo
- Asynchronization of crypto operations. Ingo Kloecker
- Automatic HTML to plaintext conversion when replying to HTML mails. Don Sanders
- Make use of KWallet. Ingo Kloecker
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Re:Does it have a proper exchange handlerOK, this was a troll, but from here:
Kontact
So I guess that's a "yes."
- Add alternative tab-based viewmode. Daniel Molkentin
- SnapIn/SnapOut actions for changing between an app running stand-alone or embedded in Kontact at run-time.
- Make Kontact (KOrganizer/KMail) work with Exchange 2000. Daniel Molkentin
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More complete feature plan
A more complete feature plan can be found here
Though it's not always up-to-date (some devs prefer pushing their code first, and *then* update the page).
HTH,
Kig. -
In other news
Russian space officials unveiled a full-scale model of the Kliper spaceship
The KDE team announced they will sue the Russian government over the use of the "klipper" name, which, as everybody knows, is the name of the KDE clipboard. An outraged free software community is currently demonstrating and marching on Capitol Hill and the Kremlin to demand that justice be meeted out of the space agency. In a gesture of goodwill, the Russian space agency has decided to rename their spacecraft "firefoks". News at 11... -
Re:The problem with Debian is they set no deadline
KDE does it in a similar way, too, and has for a long time:
Release Schedules / Development Plans
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Direct Link to Mirrors
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Article Text
OpenOffice.org 1.1.3 with KDE integration is now available for download. It also features a lot of other improvements over the stock OOo (including the GNOME integration bits; but do not be afraid, it does not link against Gtk+ in KDE, and vice versa), because it is built from the ooo-build codebase.
Download: Installation set for Linux i386 (~80MB).
Features:
- The current stable version of OpenOffice.org with many ooo-build patches and improvements
- KDE Native Widget Framework
- KDE (Crystal) icons
- KDE file dialog (Open, Save As)
- KDE splash screen by Dariusz Arciszewski
- Gtk+ NWF and file dialog when executed in Gnome
Known problems:
- You need libstartup-notification installed, otherwise it fails to run with "no suitable windowing system found, exiting."
- The KDE file dialog seems to hang OOo on Fedora Core 3 when it has Preview on (F11 in the dialog), but most probably it is a Fedora bug (treats unrecognized file types as sound).
- The new systems that build their packages from ooo-build (e.g. SUSE 9.2) do not need this package; check whether you have the KDE file dialog in your OOo before installing.
The project's homepage http://kde.openoffice.org is a bit outdated at the moment, but the work still continues. The main concern is OOo 2.0 now, see the ooo-build ChangeLog. Help of an artist is needed for OOo 2.0: It contains a lot of new icons, the default ones are not acceptable for modern KDE desktop. Please drop me a mail if you are able (and willing) to draw some of them.
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Re:User Interface Design for Programmers
Fitt's law is not the "most basic
Exactly. Of course, KDE Usability had a big argument about doing exactly that so that people wouldn't have to try so hard to learn short-cut keys. ... of UI design". Fitt's law has become unreasonably important because UI designers stopped giving users visual cues about keyboard shortcuts. Even my Dad uses the backspace key rather than the back button! Its so much easier. Mouse gestures will also dramatically change the effect of Fitt's law.
What was the proposed solution? Place Shortcuts in Tooltips.
So, when you hover over the refresh button, it doesn't say ' Refresh ' it says ' Refresh (F5) '. Imagine that.
So, if you're among the camp that feels that the fact that, over a year after the wishlist item was posted, this still is marked as 'New' and nobody has even attempted to impliment it, vote for bug 67178 and try to convince them that such a minor change could make a world of differnce for the K Desktop Environment's usability quotient.
That's http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67178 and click vote and you could help revolutionise the Linux desktop! -
Re:Keyboard Chaos
But what about the input issue?
Yeah, what about the input issue? I haven't had any problems inputting Japanese in GNU/Linux.
Also, I don't quite get your " I hear chinese language support in linux is coming along" comment. Linux is a kernel (no, I'm not trying to bring out a nomenclature fight) --- it does not need to know anything about natural languages. Or do you mean something like these?
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Actually not the first...
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Re:not much...
Better yet, you can also install this patch to alleviate the problem alltogether... It may require one of these other patches though (there are even more options, I had to pick three). But they aren't very hard to install
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Command Line?
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Re:The DesktopLinus has picked a GUI.
You can still go ahead and pick your own. Most of us do...
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Dual boot with FreeBSD, works like a charm
A lot of my family members and friends use Microsoft Windows and over the years I must have spent months fixing their systems myself or telling them on the phone what to do. I am tired as hell of playing the pro bono Microsoft support tech and I no longer offer any kind of support for anything Microsoft related to anyone. Period. My immediate family members now all have a dual boot system with their favorite version of Microsoft Windows and FreeBSD 4 with the following free software:
Keep in mind that all of the software above also has versions that run on Windows, so there is no need to use one application under Windows and another under FreeBSD. Great integration, no confusion, easier transition.
The raw Windows partition is backed up in an image file created with dd, so if there's any Windows related trouble they can't fix on their own they just boot the special FreeBSD floppy which employs a simple shell script (using dialog) to let them backup or restore the primary partition image. If you need something more complex like Norton Ghost then I suggest you use the absolutely free and cool replacement called PartImage.
If they have any trouble while using FreeBSD they just click a special icon named "Call for help" which starts a shell script that sends a number of specially crafted packets to my computer's static IP, where such packets are logged in a special file which I see on my desktop (tail -f), so if I'm available I can log into their system via ssh within minutes of any sign of trouble and they do not even have to bother to email me, let alone use the phone to call me. It works like a charm.
I feel sorry for the people who buy Microsoft Windows and then call me to help them out when things go wrong, but I just can't afford to waste my life fixing what should not have been broken in the first place. Enough is enough.
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Re:What day of the week is it?You have to admit after installing Solaris 10, seing Gnome^H^H^H^H^HJava Desktop everywhere, it does look pretty childish. It's just a standard Gnome desktop with a crappy theme, and some things missing.
Sorry to be nitpicking, but
- Gnome != Linux
- Desktop != OS
If JDS is clunky, you could always get KDE on Solaris (http://solaris.kde.org/) instead.
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HOWTOsFor those of us who are less than artistic, or for those of us who aim to develop art which is consistent with existing art, here is a great HOWTO (particularly this chapter).
And here is an analagous HOWTO for those of us of the KDE persuasion.
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Re:fantastic
You obviously haven't used Kmail/Kontact. In my opinion it's the best e-mail client solution. Including GMail/Outlook 2003 as competition.
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Re:Opendarwin
For those of you interested you can also run KDE in os X. I got it kinda working a while back and plan to try again when i have more time. See how well its progressed in the last few months.
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Re:Since 0.1
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Re:So, it has KDE?
Never tried it with GNOME but KDE's Kiosk Admin Tool makes supporting large groups of users and setting different policies a snap.
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Re:wrong layer
I don't see why this has to be at the kernel level - why not just make programs that use kioslave functions instead of open() (or whatever)?
Because
- the program you want to use might already have been made, and you don't want to have to convert it, or have somebody convert it, to use KIO (it might not even be a KDE program - neither cat nor grep are, on most systems);
- your application randomly access the file (I don't see anything immediately obvious in the KDE I/O Architecture document that indicates that you can open a file and seek around in it and read from arbitrary offsets);
- your application is supposed to work without KDE (and even if, as, and when a KDE version of that particular application is done, it'll still have non-KDE versions, e.g. for Windows);
etc..
Not only that, but some protocols are very slow or don't work with directories well, and wouldn't be sutable to be treated like local folders.
Which ones?
Putting this in the kernel is asking for a lot more root (and not just user) exploits.
OK, then how about just putting FUSE or lufs in the kernel and doing the bulk of the work in user space? (That's how OS X's ftpfs and webdavfs work - they have "stub" file systems in the kernel that talk to user-mode daemons; heck, the "stub" file system for ftpfs is called "the NFS client", and the user-mode daemon is a user-mode NFS server on a port other than 2049.)
And finally, everything that uses traditional system calls would have to be modified considerably or there will no doubt be many expolits found for them.
And the reason why adding a new file system type makes that true is?
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Wha?
The entire KDE desktop environment is decked out like this, and as George puts it, 'Microsoft Windows and Mac OS X have a long way to go to catch up with the robust, transparent functionality that KDE has provided since version 2.0.
Like what kind of catching up? Like this?
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Re:Replacing Windows/Exchange with Suse/Groupwise
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Windoze in .edu? Bullshit on lower TCO!
With an educational discount, Windows 2003 server costs my department $142 (sure, it's more in a commercial environment), I can install it, set it up, run updates on it once in a while, run the baseline security analyzer on it, and forget about it. Give me a linux that does all this in an easy to use manner, and I'll switch. Sure, I could use apt and the others, but it just takes too much time, and you have to worry about various dependencies and what not.
At $142, that's $142 more you have to spend compared to FOSS solutions. What you've described, proved either that your educational institution is filthy rich and caters only for the rich and snobs, or you're just plain lazy.
Most educational institutions, whether state-run or even privately operated (esp. private with visions of education rather than for profit), are almost always tight budget! This is especially true in third world countries! That is why various bodies such as SchoolForge (and their Case Studies), K12OS, Moodle, OpenSourceSchools, KDE Edutainment Project and a lot more others are being founded and.. surprise! Thrives!
Personally, I love the K12LTSP Project. A branch out of the K12OS Project, which when deployed properly throughout the campus, can provide access to all students to high-grade apps in a very stable environment. Access from any terminal in any labs, authenticating via NIS, LDAP or whatever you prefer and access your mail accounts, website or whatever. With backend support tools available such as MySQL or PgSQL and PHP/Perl (okay, maybe that's a bit far out, but I've met 12 year olds who can code!)
Software cost? $0
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Every time a network-related program segfaultsYou've probably a potential remotely exploitable flaw.
I use KDE and KMail and Kopete, both of which crash daily -- the 3.3.0 release of KDE sucked, but there is no FreeBSD port of 3.3.1 yet.
Neither is a big problem, because they only talk to the trusted servers and KMail uses SSL to check them. But both can be taken over by a properly crafted e-mail or instant message. I just hope, that nobody will figure out, how exactly to do it (rather than just cause it to crash). I compile stuff myself (from port) with my own compiler options, which should make any attack a lot more difficult...
Once in a while Mozilla crashes too, BTW, but Konqueror has been pretty good lately.
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Every time a network-related program segfaultsYou've probably a potential remotely exploitable flaw.
I use KDE and KMail and Kopete, both of which crash daily -- the 3.3.0 release of KDE sucked, but there is no FreeBSD port of 3.3.1 yet.
Neither is a big problem, because they only talk to the trusted servers and KMail uses SSL to check them. But both can be taken over by a properly crafted e-mail or instant message. I just hope, that nobody will figure out, how exactly to do it (rather than just cause it to crash). I compile stuff myself (from port) with my own compiler options, which should make any attack a lot more difficult...
Once in a while Mozilla crashes too, BTW, but Konqueror has been pretty good lately.
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Re:Screenshots tell you little: Here is the info.
Lets see here is a brief list of some of the main software that I saw on that page. You can find information on those peaces of software at these sites.
Enlightenment Project: http://enlightenment.org/pages/main.html
Evolution: http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/
Gnome 2.8:http://www.gnome.org/start/2.8/
KDE 3.3:http://www.kde.org/
Thunderbird 0.8:http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/re leases/
XPDE 5.1:http://www.xpde.com/
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Re:Usability
The only people who don't think that usability is worth measuring are the people you wouldn't want working on UI to begin with.
You mean like certain e-voting-machine producers???
I agree.
Also, reading one of the links on the KDE News article, they suggest 'Why Apple', giving reason that "The Macintosh was the pioneer in providing a Usable Graphical User Interface." This is completely untrue. Xerox made the first GUI, and I believe the first usable GUI was either Intuition (Amiga's Workbench) or GEOS. The original MacOS was not very easily operated imho.
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Network-Integrated Multimedia Middleware
NMM, the network-integrated multimedia middleware, you can see a video of it in action from the talk at akademy.
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Re:whoa...
wiki.kde.org has those (Tips and Tricks, Secret Config Settings,
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Re:High points and low points
However, on Linux, OpenOffice looks like *crap*. The interface doesn't match any other apps on my system. GTK apps look tight and clean, QT apps too. But OpenOffice doesn't even look "native" like it does on Windows.
Getting fairly old, but it's probably been updated since - the OOo KDE Native Widget Framework might be what you're looking for. It's slightly slower than OpenOffice's own toolkit stuff, but draws all the widgets with the currently selected KDE theme.