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Check out https://www.kerio.com/connect

http://www.kerio.com/connect/exchange-alternative

I honestly am unsure of pricing but I believe it's fairly inexpensive. We use Kerio Control and are migrating to the 3110 appliance.

http://www.kerio.com/control

It does all kind of neat reporting.

We also use Cymphonix traffic shaping devices that have insane detail on reporting but I believe they're very expensive.

http://cymphonix.com/

Cymphonix is big brother. It even keeps records of instant messaging. But you are right very expensive.

I honestly am unsure of pricing but I believe it's fairly inexpensive. We use Kerio Control and are migrating to the 3110 appliance.

http://www.kerio.com/control

It does all kind of neat reporting.

We also use Cymphonix traffic shaping devices that have insane detail on reporting but I believe they're very expensive.

http://cymphonix.com/

Kerio Connect. Can be free if you become a partner and have less than 5 users or $540 which is still a great deal IMO due to the ease of administration and being able to set it up in mere minutes with very little effort. You very well could spend many times this in effort trying to do it yourself with a free product.

100% configurable via intuitive web GUI
Multi-platform (Windows, Linux, Mac, VMWare)
Very good multiple anti-spam features
Full featured webmail, very near parity with MS Outlook.
ActiveSync support for Andorid, WinMo, iOS (Push mail, contacts, calendar) Optional Blackberry connector.
Multi-domain support
Near instant phone support with actual engineers (if licensed)
Very active development with easy to apply updates
Tons of other features.

Download the fully functional free trial and give it a spin.
I don't mean to sound like an advertisement but I have been using this product for 5 years and it has been the easiest mail server I have ever managed.

Nor even remotely necessary.

While I agree with you. Try asking your boss if he/she can work without outlook/exchange. Or you could just try taking it away form the "suits" and see how fast you hit the unemployment lines.

Just to get back on topic. Here is a shout out for my favorite exchange replacement Kerio connect. http://www.kerio.com/connect/download

Well, there is Entourage. But every Mac user I know who is using it hates it. I do recall reading somewhere that M$ is finally porting Outlook fully to the Mac, but I don't remember where I read it.

Of course you could always do yourself a a favor and toss the exchange server and replace it with the far superior Kerio mailserver. Then you can use Mac Mail, and iCal on the Mac, and Outlook for the poor bastards still forced to use windows.
http://www.kerio.com/mailserver

Radmind can be good.

InstaDMG from AFP548 is a great way to build SOE images from a collection of packages.

DeployStudio is a great way to get the images on a hard drive.

NetBoot/NetRestore is also a good way to get an image on a drive.

If you really like tinkering, you can tweak the supplied Mac OS X installer, and modify the list of packages it knows about. Using Adobe's enterprise deployment toolkit, for instance, you can package up CS4 with serialisation, and have the installer call these packages after it's installed the bare OS, but this is a lot of work.

I still use tools like the Enterprise Deployment Toolkit, but use the packages it creates in an InstaDMG workflow.

For the server - Mac OS X Server is good as a general solution and (not having tried Snow Leopard server in any kind of heavy-duty deployment) I use Kerio Mail Server as a general groupware solution - it's as close to a drop-in replacement for Exchange as you'll get on the Mac platform, and as well as serving IMAP and CalDAV clients really well, it can also serve Outlook.

Storage and backup is really critical - there's Apple's rebadged Promise RAID units if you want everything to be all Apple, and there are some good third-party alternatives. Backup to tape is pretty important with any kind of serious server deployment - I use LTO libraries wherever possible...

Err, iPhone has had push email since 2.0 hit at the start of July. Straight from Exchange. No insane Blackberry software required on your server.

If you don't want Exchange, Kerio pushes too.

If you don't want your own mail server, MobileMe.

RIM's time has come.

"...bringing up the price of exchange...It might be that the shop would like to keep a Unix-only shop in the server room..."

In that case, I'd go with Kerio mail server http://www.kerio.com/kms_home.html It runs on Redhat, SUSE, Mac OSX, Win2k/XP/2k3/Vista, seems to be a drop in replacement for Exchange server (with better support for Mac clients) and for a 30 user workplace, costs about 33% less than the "open source" Zarafa. Kerio also comes with Spamassasin built-in and you can get a version with McAfee antivirus for chump change. I don't see where Zarafa has integrated anti-spam or anti-virus features.

Now, if only I could convince the owner of the company to go with Kerio instead of M$ Exchange server. In the meantime, we're still running the Linux/sendmail/Dovecot combo with Outlook clients.

I'm sure most on this forum will disagree with my post, but it is a real attempt to answer the question. The moral questions of this can be debated endlessly, but here goes...

A consultant by trade, I had one of my clients ask the same question and gave them the same answer. But offered the best solution I could come up with.
Here is what I did. Setup a small PC running Kerio Winroute Firewall with the Content Filter option. Very easy to setup and configure, and uses the best filter IMO. But expect to pay, Firewall is $499, and the content filter add-on is $249, add this together plus the cost of a small pc. Also keep in mind that the filter will have to be renewed yearly at about $149/yr. Another cool feature you can add on is McAfee AV scanning all network traffic.

Locked it inside a cabinet along with the cable modem. (be sure it is a low power PC, Sempron or Celeron that can tolerate the lack of ventilation, it only needs 256MB ram and the lowest powered low-end cpu you can find. The new run-cool WD HDDS are a plus here too. This prevents bypassing the firewall by physically connecting the pc to the cable modem.

Set the filter to block:
Erotic/Sex
Pornography
Extreme or whatever else you want. Since it is a corporate firewall, there are dozens of other categories to block.

Turn on all http logging and share the log folder as read only so everyone in the family has access to the logs.
Trained mom and dad what to look for in the logs, and also showed it to their kids. Kids knowing that anyone can see what pages they have been to keeps them from searching for 'naughty' things.

Even with all of these settings, I would say it is only 80% effective at blocking porn. But the logs are untouchable, revealing, and can be viewed by anyone in the family.

Granted most teens will find a way around this, such as finding an open WiFi in their neighborhood, or goto their friends house. But at least it is was a way for parents to control their own internet.

I don't 100% agree with this, when I was a teen I enjoyed privacy and trust from my parents. My parents talked with me about these things and we had a mutual trust. No filter on the planet will replace good parenting IMO. But I can see the need for such measures in some situations, but that can be debated forever as well.

Albanach wrote:
What really astonishes me is that open source has made such great leaps in other areas yet there's no apparent replacement for Outlook & Exchange.

Um...

1. Outlook -> EVOLUTION. I use Evolution all day, every day at work to read email and calendars from our Exchange server.
2. Exchange -> SCALIX and ZIMBRA are the two front runners. We're about to evaluate Zimbra to replace our Exchange server (150 employees). Other possible candidates include: Bynari Insight Server, KerioMailServer, @Mail, and the venerable OpenXchange.

Those seem fairly apparent to me.

ok the problem is that people/people worrying about spam are not publishing callerid and DKIM in DNS

before we blame ISP's for not doing it by default we must (those people who read slashdot) ask out hosts to do it
make sure we have done it for our domains

ANTISPAM NEEDS YOU

simple

if you send mail from a domain make sure it has a callerid and if possible use DKIM

ISP's who sell domains and put a MX record in by default Without at least a callerid record are wrong... lets correct ours and then ask them to correct theirs

spamassassin can check SPF and DKIM so enable it NOW !

regards

John Jones

p.s. setup yous now

Microsoft callerID and exchange/outlook resources

    Kerio CallerID check to help chek your setup
    yahoo resources on Domain Keys and setup for various MTA's

The Kerio site shows various features are still missing, and the only groupware capable clients listed as supported are by Microsoft. It's not an independent or open solution and as long as Microsoft have their OS on PDAs and phones 3rd parties are always going to have to deal with them and their horrid Activesync or expect users to put a 3rd party client on their mobile device.

When vendors use protocols as open as POP, IMAP and SMTP by default on their mobile devices things might change. Perhaps SyncML will become the solution, I don't know. Maybe the Mozilla Calendar team will get going now they're working with Sun. The way it seems at present Duke Nukem Forever will get released before everyone else / OSS catches up with the Exchange, Outlook & PocketPC gig.

* Crimson Editor An amazingly powerful freeware text / script editor.

  * uTorrent Is there an open source Torrent Client in under 200k? Does it have RSS searching, bandwidth scheduling, automatic resume, and trackerless support? Yes? Oh, good then.

  * As -U- Type. Spell check anywhere. It's a great piece of software, if you can get over the fact that the author barely speaks any english.

  * 3 Plane Soft Screensavers. Ok, they're screensavers. And they're a rip off. But damn they're nice.

  * Trillian. 'nuff said.

  * The Bat! The second best mail client created, behind only KMail.

  * IZarc If there were need for zip clients anymore, this would be the one to have. Also handles about 50 other file standards, integrates really well with explorer, is small and efficient, and did I mention free? Best unzipper out there, including the pay options.

  * Folder Size Shows you how big your folders are. If explorer were made by Apple, it would do this by default.

  * True Crypt Data so secure even it doesn't know if there is more to be found in a file.

  * Thumbs Plus Arguably there are a lot of good applications in this space, and there are ones out there with better interfaces. But it is the only thumbnail application I've ever used that can handle upwards of 20,000 files in a single directory. If you take lots of pictures, this is the one.

  * DVD Decrypter Recently bought out by Macrovision to shut down it's decryptey goodness, DVD Decrypter is really a no-nonsense, no-fuss DVD ripper and burner. Want to rip a movie from a DVD so you can watch it later? One button. Want to rip it back to a DVD? Another button.

  * Microsoft Power Toys Nifty stuff from people who both hate and make the operating system.

And remember to use an antivirus, a firewall, and two anti-spyware suites. My personal favorites are AVG Antivirus, Kerio Personal Firewall, Spybot, and Ad Aware.

Because our DSL-Router (Windows XP pro with Kerio Winroute 5) had a serious error I was forced to go online by 56k-ISDN Dial-Up with my own Windows XP pro Computer.
My system wasn't Up-To-Date (maybe 2 or 3 weeks without Windows Update) and I had no Firewall installed. About 2 Minutes after I dialed up my Computer shut itself down (I turned on Windows XP Firewall and downloaded a Firewall I really trusted).
As you can see: The up/downstream is not very important ;)
It's more important to have a nice Firewall (I use Kerio Personal Firewall which is Free, but the AdBlocker and some other additional stuff will be disabled after 30 days of testing, but the Firewall still works and can be configured...) and good Antivirus (like AntiVir PE Classic which is free for personal use, too).
And since you're online with DSL you can turn auto-update for both programs on.
And of course Windowsupdate, if you want to (I only use Service Packs because I trust FireFox 1.5 and my sense for dangerous stuff)

OK, with Dial-Up you may be more secure because you're not always-on, but thats somewhat foolish. Because if you don't go online at all you're quite safe, too.

You are kidding, right? It has been years since Norton Utilities did anything useful. The AV scanner and firewall let far too much through, and everything else they install is useless... The spyware scanner is a sieve used as an umbrella, the system cleanup utilities was useful on 98 but now just call software that comes with XP, crash protection takes a ton of resources and never works when you need it to, uninstall is about as successful as the regular windows uninstall routines, etc.

The only really good utilities are premium and expensive anyway, Partition Magic and Ghost. The average user will never need these, which is fortunate as the average user never buys these.

For Antivirus, use AVG. It is solid, low-resource, and free, and people have been using it successfully for many, many years. For a firewall, you want either Kerio Personal Firewall or Zone Alarm. Either is a small, robust, and far more secure than Norton firewall. Kerio is a little more powerful, Zone Alarm is a little simpler. Both are free, and have been around for years.

No antispyware software (especially commercial applications) catches everything, so a cocktail is usually in order. The two I recommend are Ad-Aware and Spybot. They're both classics, they both take low resources and are easy to schedule, and they have different search methodologies and as such catch different types of spyware. They also don't run unless called, so they don't take up any system resources. Combined, the two catch just about everything.

I have heard good things about Counter-Spy, but with just an 85% catch rate, it is still good to run a second application along with it. Likewise, with a 20 dollar yearly service fee, it isn't "fire and forget," and I've seen far too many systems that were unprotected because the credit card on file with their software service company expired.

Take all of the above utilities. Put them on a disk. Write a very small shell script that automatically launches the installers on insertion of the disk and clicks through everything (try PTFB, which can be launched and run from the disk automatically) and adds scheduled tasks to run the software. This shouldn't take you too long. Then whenever a crapflooded machine comes into your office with an expired copy of Norton, just clean it up and pop in the disk. I can't tell you how many machines I've installed AVG, Kerio, Ad-aware, Spybot (or some variant thereof) on, and have never regretted it.

There is a lot better stuff out there. Surprisingly, a lot of it is free. And while people seem to like to pay for software because it gives them a false sense of security, they also like the fact that you can whip out a disk right there and be done in five minutes, hassle-free.

Try Kerio. They make a "free for home use" version and the footprint is pretty small. I think they got bought out by someone too but they have vowed to keep the personal home firewall version going.

I worked at a computer repair shop at one point, and my SOP is very similar, although I typically run HijackThis earlier in the process (Before removing programs), and I include - if necessary - some passes with other programs.

Worst-case Scenario:
1) Kill all unecessary processes manually (if able)
2) Run MSCONFIG and disable unecessary startup processes (if able)
3) Run Spybot S&D (if able)
4) Run HijackThis
5) Install Avast! AV and updates, and schedule a boot-time scan (if able)
6) Uninstall/manually remove unecessary applications
7) Reboot
8) Repeat all setps 1-6 which did not work the first time
9) Run Spybot S&D (again)
10) Install and configure Firefox with Adblock extension.
11) Install and configure SpywareBlaster
12) Lock Down IE
13) Reboot
14) Manually clean up any remnants with the help of HijackThis
15) Install and configure Kerio PF

It takes longer than is typically necessary of a simple cleanup, but so far I haven't run into anything that couldn't be fixed in such a manner. Most importantly however, it doesn't cost a dime. I keep both a USB flash drive and a CD on hand with all of the programs and updates I need as well as some other fallback programs (some pre-installed directly on the CD/flash drive), so if the infected machine is unable to connect for downloads/updates it won't slow me down. It also helps that IE is not needed when loading everything from the CD or flash drive.

Of all the machines I have used this on, only those of the incedibly stupid have had problems resurface, while most have run clean for a year or more. I use the same preventative measures on my own PC and have never picked up any spyware/malware.

We've been using Kerio Mailserver for the past three years and can attest to its ability to replace Exchange for the small business. However you will deal with various bugs and glitches with each subsequent update. Many users are driven nuts to the point of abandoning the software altogether. We're a bit more laid back and just ride the waves. See the Kerio support forums for examples of users whining about bugs: http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=thread&frm_id= 6&S=c06e654315411d4660894fcfe8dd8f12

Kerio MailServer is a nice Exchange replacement that runs on Linux and Mac OS X. It has a really nice AJAX webmail app that is a feasible replacement for a desktop app. It's not free, but it is cheap, and it's not Exchange :-)

Kerio Personal Firewall has a setting which makes it ask you every time a program runs if you want to allow it to run, along with simple checkbox to tell it to always use your choice. I have used this when trying to clean some really nasty adware, but I do not use this mode in normal usage, since it seems like it would be too annoying. I do use the option to have it control which programs have permission to run other programs. (All the programs I use are permanently allowed or denied, but it would ask me about a virus/adware trying to open itself again after I kill it.) Obviously, any such system has the problem that if a malicious program is already running, and knows about the system, can just programmatically click the "Allow" button.

We are running Kerio 6.0 as an Exchange replacement (we were on Exchange 5.5). Most of our users are on Microsoft Outlook 2K or 2K3. Our main reason for selecting Kerio was its marketting as an Exchange replacement. Here are some of our experiences:

• As a POP3/SMTP server, it works adequately.
• Antiviral capability works adequately
• Anti-spam (based on SpamBayes) is mediocre - it allows only level of Spam filtering (i.e. no "suspected spam" vs. "spam")
• Their "Outlook Connector" - which allows Outlook to manage email from the server without downloading it to the client, is junk. Among other things, it's extremely slow, you can't search body text, and in 6.1 people have been getting crashes with it.
• In 6.1, you can only do backups 3 times per week (although there is apparently a kludge around this)
• Importing our email from Exchange 5.5 was painful - their import utility crashed constantly and it took days to migrate < 100 mailboxes
• After misleading customers about the capabilities of its Outlook Connector, and subsequent flames on their message boards, Kerio has instituted a "no comment" policy about development - they will make no commitments to when bugs will get fixed or promised functionality will be implemented
• Kerio is marketting an offline caching capability for its product. However, only contacts and calendar information are cached, email does not get cached!

In short, my bosses are forcing us back to "how things were". We are going to bite the bullet and go back to Exchange. I'm bummed, because there is a lot to like about Kerio (the web interface, integrated antivirus and spam and management are all nice, and it's a lot easier to manage than Exchange) - but the Outlook Connector's poor functionality make it an inadequate replacement for Exchange

Unlike my predecessor, take a look at the Kerio forums before you buy this product.

Running Windows 2000 myself and I use Kerio Personal Firewall 2.15, the last firewall in the 2.x series and the last "personal firewall" from Kerio I can tolerate.

It has some major issues, don't use the remote access for one. But it's a decent suppliment to the Windows Firewall on open source project was planned to build an open source clone, unfortunately it seems to be going nowhere.

Failing that, Sygate is a good choice.

Kerio Personal Firewall. Free "limited edition" of V.4 for personal use. Though personally, I like version 2 better than anything since.

A firewall doesn't protect everything. A firewall with a clueless user at the helm won't protect you from quite a lot. It won't protect you from buffer overflows, system exploits, or a lot of other automated exploits. It won't protect you from a lot of spoof attacks. It will make you non-pingable, which helps, but anything you have enabled might still be a way in. Saying that having the built-in XP firewall running gives you a 100% chance of not being compromised is like saying that having antilock breaks gives you 100% chance of surviving a crash. It helps, but if it's your only line of defense, you're screwed. Quite frankly it's grossly inappropriate to tell people to not worry anymore. Everyone should pick up a free firewall (of the kind that can detect outgoing traffic, as opposed to SP2), a free AV software package, and a free spyware detector or two.

We just had a bug fly around my work, owning the network. This was with a hardware firewall and AV. Both were working, it was just a bug that was too new and the AV vendor hadn't discovered it yet.

Bottom line: Stick with free software.

Use a software firewall. All sorts of software (adobe, office and others) phones home without asking permission first. I recommend Kerio firewall.

in this order . .
http://nonags.com/
http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm
http://www.doom9.org/ (click on the download button on the left)
http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/
http://www.komando.com/shareware_index.asp
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best.htm

Do I need to mention sourceforge and freshmeat?

Not sure if http://skype.com/ is listed in the above lists - it is surely worth mentioning but sometimes requires a USB headset purchase to tweak it, which is well worth the expense since this software often rivals Vonage service in quality when calling pots lines (non-free) and blows away anything when calling pc to pc (free).

http://grouper.com/

http://www.ultravnc.com/ is almost always my preference over tightvnc.

Realplayer is not that bad if it is tweaked - you have to look for the setting that disables automatic ownership of filetypes.

http://kerio.com/ is my firewall preference over ZoneAlarm and Sygate, although the windows xp built-in is is usable. Kerio keeps an eye on changing files via an md5 hash.

http://grisoft.com/, in most cases, would be my recommendation for AV software.

http://www.apple.com/itunes/ is great if you have the connection for it.

And if you want more free software then download emule.

um uh . . erase that last line

Kerio Personal Firewall (which, surprise, surprise, is a firewall).

Sygate or Kerio. Recently set the folks up with the free version of Sygate and they've been happy with it. :-) Zone Alarm's a pain in the neck to deal with.

www.kerio.com/dwn/kpf2-en-win.exe

Note: the lastest version of Kerio Personal firwall is 4.x, however that version isn't as good and has too many extra unuseful features that can't be turned off, therefore I'm linking to version 2. As far as I know there is no direct link on Kerio's web site.

Kerio 2.1.5, still the best for 'doze IMO. Get it here, and pick up the manual here.

Kerio 2.1.5, still the best for 'doze IMO. Get it here, and pick up the manual here.

I've used both ZoneAlarm and Kerio. I'm much happier with Kerio. It is much less of a pain to use, and you can two-click enable/disable it without affecting any of your existing network connections.

KPF also monitors processes spawning other processes - allows you to catch a lot of things that try to run but shouldn't.

Yes, but when this kind of thing happened on Windows, it was Windows' fault for not having the proper security mechanisms to stop it. The difference is that Windows will set up all users as administrators, true, but running as a plain user can be very bad too. The fact is, neither of the OSes provides (by default, at least) substantial protection from such attacks.

Allowing only registered executables to run could be set up to prevent such things. Microsoft signs their patches and programs too, but no regular user will ever check.

Incorporate such functions in the OS or GUI. Harass the user whenever an executable or shared library is introduced to the system: "Here are the certifications, do you trust this?"

Limiting permissions up to the user level is not enough anymore: VM based environments such as Java and .NET have program/assembly-based security systems. But although the technology exists, it is very poorly handled, at least in the .NET front where I am experienced: There is no simple wizard to set up settings the way you want them, there is no popup dialog asking you how much you trust this executable and which permissions it should get. Such technology could go a long way in preventing such ridiculously simple attacks from succeeding in the future.

First time I saw a similar feature was in Kerio Personal Firewall, which would ask everytime a new program would attempt to connect somewhere, or have something connect to a port it opened. It was simple and effective, and the 'harassment' was more than worth it (SP2 does something similar, but it's flawed*).

In conclusion. I want to say that I believe if all people had:

1) Startup Monitor - Painfully simple, no one should be without it.
2) Kerio Personal Firewall, or equivalent
3) An executable monitor as described above.
,the *real* reasons for Windows' pathetic security record would be no more. Never mind those vulnerabilities: I could give you a .exe that would delete all your documents, and you have but to click on it (I swear it decrypts HL2 from the Steam files :-) The same, of course, applies to Linux.


* SP2 tells you when an executable tries to connect, and waits for you to decide if you want to block it, but it *does* allow the connection to work until you decide what to do with it. Furthermore, I'm not sure if it can tell if an executable was replaced with a compromised version (Kerio has MD5 hashes)

Why pay??

Try AVG--Free in the US

And Kerio -- Free as well.

Sorry. Try this.

I have a cute little hand-out Flyer Posted over on my spreadfirefox blog.
I also higly recommend Kerio Personal Firewall -- I think better than other firewall products -- has a built in updater system too.
Also Grisoft's AVG 6.0 Free Is essential -- very excellent free anti-virus software -- just set it to download updates every day.

Goddamn. The things people do to run Windows... It makes me glad I use Linux.

The poster sounds like a good candidate for MJR's ultimately secure firewall.

The poster is "wirelessly connected", you dolt! ;-)

Try Zonealarm?

That's more like it. Or better yet, Kerio Personal Firewall.

Install a real firewall, ZA is way too flakey for me. Anytime I've been running ZA and have a connection problem 9 times out of 10 it is somehow mangling packets.

Kerio Personal Firewall

It still does the flash up thing if it detects an app it doesn't like, but I belive you can turn that off. In any case, it hasn't crashed a single full screen game for me--like ZA regularly did. It will either minimize the game, or pop a little window up infront of the game, and prompt you.

It will also alert you if a known good program has been replaced. In all, it's tons less intrusive than Zone Alarm, and MUCH less bloated, and you can create your own rulesets pretty intuitively...

I use and liked Tiny... It's not free (beer) anymore unfortunatley.

Yes, Kerio 2.1.5 is the best software firewall for Windows, in my opinion. It is still available for download on the official site, although I can't find any links pointing to it. I used it before getting my new Nvidia nForce3 250GB with a firewall on the actual motherboard.

Definitely avoid Zonealarm, whatever you do. It is more bloated and less effective than most alternatives.

Kerio Personal Firewall is much much better.

That being said, I think the problems with Kerio include lack of good collaboration tools (but again, that's not the product they are selling), and the inability to support any linux except enterprise red hat or RH9. Although with their latest release they now support Fedora core. Would love to see SuSE support or Debian support (hey, it doesn't change that often!)

I know a lot of people that use Windows, and use it in large "Joe User"-offices, that never ever gets any viruses.

This is due to two things: Behaviour and a Personal Firewall. Most of these people also runs anti-virus software, but it is never needed - still, it feels safe to have and can't really hurt (other than costs). Behaviour means not doing too much stupid stuff, and it often but not always include not using Outlook or IE, at least too much.

Check out some software firewall, Kerio used to be a good choice when I ran Windows, although I've heard the newer versions are pretty bloated and stupid. There are others as well.

That, together with some simple common sense keeps a lot of people very safe.

i agree. link, by the way.

I could have sworn I hit preview and not submit

Burn a CD with the latest norton defs, windows service pack 1, all those little updates for the trojans, and a firewall (I personally like Kerio Personal Firewall), and install that before you even put the network cable back in.