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Suspicious, I consulted my friendly install of StarOffice on my Linux machine. He didn't answer back, which is what I woudl have expected from M$ Office, and StarOffice continued to happily to my word processing without bother or error.

Moving back over to my Windows machine with M$ Office... that little MechWarrior like droid was not at all happy! He threatened to allow the 'I love you' worm to work its way through my machine via its evil powers of VB scripting.

Flustered... I then remembered who should be in control of the computer in the first place... ME! I promtly played my own ace-in-the-hole against that evil little M$ droid, named "F1", and hit the power button on the computer.

With F1 no longer being a concern, and no virus or VB script security problems on my Linux machine... I moved back over to the screen with the Gnome footprint eagerly waiting to do what I request without problem or crash.

I donned my red hat and rode off in into the lovely sunset with my StarOffice at my side.

Suspicious, I consulted my friendly install of StarOffice on my Linux machine. He didn't answer back, which is what I woudl have expected from M$ Office, and StarOffice continued to happily to my word processing without bother or error.

Moving back over to my Windows machine with M$ Office... that little MechWarrior like droid was not at all happy! He threatened to allow the 'I love you' worm to work its way through my machine via its evil powers of VB scripting.

Flustered... I then remembered who should be in control of the computer in the first place... ME! I promtly played my own ace-in-the-hole against that evil little M$ droid, named "F1", and hit the power button on the computer.

With F1 no longer being a concern, and no virus or VB script security problems on my Linux machine... I moved back over to the screen with the Gnome footprint eagerly waiting to do what I request without problem or crash.

I donned my red hat and rode off in into the lovely sunset with my StarOffice at my side.

I would like? I would like a trip to Europe...

I would like to ask the owners of this "Red Hat Is Not Linux" site why they feel the need to do this? I mean, does that mean that Mandrake is not linux? Does that mean that /Suse/ is not linux? Well please, do tell, what is linux?

I agree that the "commercialization" of linux may one day be harmful to it as far as it's being a powerful and fully open OS. But that does not mean that simply because a company which produces a distro or some such to make money is no longer linux.

So what? So there are some companies which have chosen to only _support_ one distro of linux. How can we expect a "linux friendly" company to support all flavors of linux when it is open source and there can be so many subtle yet important differences between each distro? What do you suggest, standardization,?

Agreed, Red Hat should not be taken as "the" linux distrobution. But just because they have gone public or "sold out" or some such that they should not be considered linux. RH was the very first disro I ever tried, mainly because IMHO they were the first to try and draw in newbies and not treat them like morons. Not that I am not a moron, but I like to think that I can count all my toes without the need of a calculator.

But what do I know? I'm going back to knitting a sweater from my belly button lint...

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You apparently don't read the Mandrake site, ever. If you did, you'd notice this:

March 24 2000 - Mandrake 7.0 for i486. It's been requested and awaited for a long time, now it's available: Linux-Mandrake 7.0 ISO image for i486 and compatibles machines can be downloaded from Tucows. You can now use your old machines again!

http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fnews.ph p3 will take you to the news page. Click on the download button on the nav bar for a list of mirrors which have the i486 ISO for download.

Also, you can get Mandrake for Sparc and Alpha too.

Sorry for the mistaken post

This page was what confused me... It is the page linked to by the "Features" button in each page's header... I found what are apparently the most up to date release notes on the download page...

Sorry for the mistaken post

This page was what confused me... It is the page linked to by the "Features" button in each page's header... I found what are apparently the most up to date release notes on the download page...

Some good points have been made here about the relative merits of print vs. electronic manuals. Judging from the fact that a quick search didn't turn up any references to translation, I don't think that issue has been dealt with. One of the things that online documentation makes possible is the distribution of a single software package with documentation in a number of languages. This can be extremely important for open source projects where there is no way to recover the cost of translation and printing in many minority languages. Sure, there are large, easily definable markets for Linux with English, German, French, or Spanish documentation, as well as others. What about less widely used languages?

In thanks for some open source translations I did, MandrakeSoft sent me a copy of Mandrake 7.0 (thanks, especially to Pablo). Somehow I got on the list for a copy with Spanish documentation. My conversational Spanish is rusty and my technical Spanish is non-existant. And it doesn't matter. The full English documentation is on the CD ROM. Besides, I translated the quick install instructions, so I ought to be able to find them again.

The point I am driving at is that no Linux distribution is going to make money selling a distribution with printed documentation in Esperanto. The potential market is rather small, and is spread throughout the world. Yet because of the nature of Esperanto as an interlanguage, Esperantists have a need for an internationalized computing platform that can handle their own native language and Esperanto. Given the open source model, and volunteers, it is possible to have support for many languages, each for the tiny cost of the space it's documentation occupies on a CD ROM. If there is a market for the printed documentation, the printing and distribution of that can be handled separately.

Some good points have been made here about the relative merits of print vs. electronic manuals. Judging from the fact that a quick search didn't turn up any references to translation, I don't think that issue has been dealt with. One of the things that online documentation makes possible is the distribution of a single software package with documentation in a number of languages. This can be extremely important for open source projects where there is no way to recover the cost of translation and printing in many minority languages. Sure, there are large, easily definable markets for Linux with English, German, French, or Spanish documentation, as well as others. What about less widely used languages?

In thanks for some open source translations I did, MandrakeSoft sent me a copy of Mandrake 7.0 (thanks, especially to Pablo). Somehow I got on the list for a copy with Spanish documentation. My conversational Spanish is rusty and my technical Spanish is non-existant. And it doesn't matter. The full English documentation is on the CD ROM. Besides, I translated the quick install instructions, so I ought to be able to find them again.

The point I am driving at is that no Linux distribution is going to make money selling a distribution with printed documentation in Esperanto. The potential market is rather small, and is spread throughout the world. Yet because of the nature of Esperanto as an interlanguage, Esperantists have a need for an internationalized computing platform that can handle their own native language and Esperanto. Given the open source model, and volunteers, it is possible to have support for many languages, each for the tiny cost of the space it's documentation occupies on a CD ROM. If there is a market for the printed documentation, the printing and distribution of that can be handled separately.

For those who are very concerned with Security you should take a look at Mandrake. Depending on the "type" of install you do you can have up to 5 different security levels. The worst being "Welcome crackers" to the top "Paranoid". The Paranoid level is so paranoid that each part of the server is broken into groups and required specific access grants (via users being part of multable groups)for almost everything.. ie cdrom/floppy/sound/different exaeute permisions (/bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin etc), X, telnet ftp etc... and services are secured very nicly. But what really takes the cake is the logging. Just sitting on IRC I was able to watch my system be scanned, atempted ftp/telnet/ssh etc... Anyway there is alot involved in what Mandrake does for security and I couldn't even begin to give them a "good plug" for ther product... try it for yourself! :)

LOL- you hit it right on the head with your last comment; Linux-Mandrake has security settings. I'm amazed you don't know about it. : )

I'm not sure that it's definitely a "secure" linux but it has configurable security options, which is definitely a step above the rest of the distros; maybe you should grab a copy of Mandrake7.0. Or maybe you meant something totally different and I'm just stupid.

-Chris

I wouldn't be very surprised if this license agreement only applies to vmware versions of win98+nt or winnt+2000 and does not apply to linux+win bundles.

Think about it:
1. If I want linux on win I can go for a umsdos based distrib or get lnx4win from mandrake which runs from an image and saves file permissions etc.
2. If I want win over linux; I am already a linux user; why not use Wine? or just dual boot to a win partition? a couple of scripts to dd the partition and restore it for multiple install testing. No performance hit, no svga problems, no fake peripherals in a virtual machine.

This is probably cements marketshare for vmware in msdn where developers need to cope with the plethora of different ms oses. Vmware is probably also concerned about plex86 eating into their win on linux market!

I hope that in a year or two MandrakeSoft will be a major Open Source player. So far they proven to me that they are moving in the right direction.

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Mike

I hope that in a year or two MandrakeSoft will be a major Open Source player. So far they proven to me that they are moving in the right direction.

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Mike

I don't quite see this "unanimous standardization" that you are referring to. Redhat and TurboLinux both offer Gnome as the default desktop. Mandrake, OpenLinux, and Corel Linux offer KDE as the default. Most distributions offer both as desktop choices.

Like it or not, while the Linux community is doing the parallel development thing, in the Linux industry, the race is pretty much over.

Far from it. I can name 3 companies devoting many manhours and cash to Gnome development: RHAD Labs, Eazel, and Helix Code. Companies such as MandrakeSoft and Corel are funding KDE development. The race, if anything, is just beginning to get interesting...

Yeah, I know about Eazel. Judging by the amount of hype they've generated, all I can say about them is: show me the code.

okay:

here is some of it.
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4) A question about Mandrake... by Mr. Penguin

As we all know, at first Mandrake was little more than a repackaged version of Red Hat. That's changed a bit with the newer versions. My question is this: to what degree will Mandrake continue to differ from RedHat and will there ever be a "developer" version (i.e. one that is centered towards those who are a bit more technically competant)?

4) A question about Mandrake... by Mr. Penguin

As we all know, at first Mandrake was little more than a repackaged version of Red Hat. That's changed a bit with the newer versions. My question is this: to what degree will Mandrake continue to differ from RedHat and will there ever be a "developer" version (i.e. one that is centered towards those who are a bit more technically competant)?

Creative doesn't need to come up with their own SBLive Linux, Mandrake's Lothar can get it working no problem!

Linux is not hard to install at all. Many of the latest versions now include graphic installers to walk you through it step by step. Some of the ones that come to mind are Redhat and Mandrake. It will most likely run fine on your Compaq. To be sure you can check out the hardware section on Linux.com. Linuxnewbie.org helped me quite a bit in getting it installed and configured correctly.

Linux Mandrake ? :-)

• Linux Internationalisation Initiative
• Linux i18n Project, which is at least loosely affiliated with Mandrake since one of their employees is the contact for the project
• Free Mulitilingual Platforms
• Gnome and KDE have also both been actively pursuing internationalization

• You know, one of these days I'm just going to put up a clock "Days till Redhat acquires Mandrake"...

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like Mandrake is always a step ahead of Red Hat, in terms of its extra enhancements and such (DrakX, DiskDrake, DrakConf, etc). And, if Red Hat acquries Mandrake, I'm honestly not sure if those type of innovations would continue.

Alex Bischoff
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first time post on slash, so go ahead and make the jokes

As you wish... How dare you invent a new contest? the first post stuff is already bad enough, and now you've started first time post... You should be punished. ;)

what i wanted to know [...] is if corel's linux os is really better than windows

The only way to find out for sure if it's better for you is to try. My personal opinion is "yes, definitely", although I don't really agree with your choice of distributions. Corel Linux looks quite nice, but compared to the others, it's just a bit too buggy and non-standard. You might want to have a look at Red Hat, Mandrake and Debian before making the final decision on which version to try.

You've seen the "getting bugs fixed" argument - other arguments include speed, stability and lower hardware requirements.

If you want support or help, try the mailing lists, they're really informative! One of their techies, Axalon Bloodstone, slaves away to answer multitudes of questions posed by newbies and experts alike. Find the link from their site

Actually, this page is the real explanation of what is new and improved in 7.0. Pretty cool stuff, I can't wait till I can get my CD-RW to work so I can install it.

• ftp://mandrake.mudspace.com/pub/linu x/mandrake (Michigan, USA) ++
• ftp://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/linux/Mandra ke (Utah, USA) ++
• http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/linux/Man drake/ (Utah, USA) ++
• ftp://ftp.cee.odu.edu/pub/CEE/linux/ma ndrake (Virginia, USA) ++
• ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/distributions/m andrake/ (Virginia, USA) ++
• ftp://ftp.wtfo.com/pub/linux/mandrake/ (Washington, USA) ++
• ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linu x/Dist/Mandrake/ (Pragua Czech Repubic) ++
• ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linu x/Dist/Mandrake/ (Pragua Czech Repubic) ++
• ftp.informatik.hu-berl in.de/pub/Linux/distributions/Mandrake (Berlin, Germany) ++
• ftp://msj.u-3mrs.fr/pub/linux/distr ib/mandrake/ (Marseille, France) ++
• ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/ (Nancy, France) ++
• ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake (Oslo, Norway) ++
• ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/d istributions/mandrake/ (Sweden) ++
• ftp.linux.org.tr/pub/Mandrake (Turkey) ++

http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftp.php3

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http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/oxygen beta.php3

Here's a link about what this really is. It's a beta.

Linux is not for everyone yet. It has a pretty steep and frustrating learning curve. Persistance will pay off, however. Cable Modems are simple to run off of Linux. I know that ADSL is easy if you have an external hardware DSL modem like my company does. (Actually we use BSD as our server) I have heard that any DSL isn't so hard to set up in linux but I have no first hand knowledge.

Go to Linux Newbie for info.

Linux is like a multi-user, multi-tasking, DOS on steroids. You need a GUI to sit on top of it if you want a windowing environment much the way win3.1/win95/win98 sit on top of DOS.

Try MandrakeLinux first because it is the most beginner friendly. Hope this helps and good luck.

-pos

The truth is more important than the facts.

Anyway, the most recent fruits of Creative's newfound enlightenment can be had here:

http://opensource.creative.com/

and here:

http://www.alsa-project.org/ Don't let the version # fool you, ALSA has been awesome on w/ my GUS Max since I started using it 6-8 months ago. You may want to save ALSA for a future go-round, though, until you're feel comfortable configuring drivers not included as part of the stock kernel, as it's completely redone (and backward compatible) sound support for Linux, which is planned to be the next generation drivers and API. Also, it has a user mailing list in case you'd like a helping hand.

Both have documentation about how to go about setting it up, so given the inclination, you can have sound right now instead of waiting for the next round of distro updates. :)

Btw, kernel configuration and compiling really isn't very difficult - it's primarily choosing what devices to support, and a few protocols (and each option has a friendly little help display if you're unsure). For more information, you can visit the Linux Documentation Project at http://www.linuxdoc.org/ and LinuxNewbie.org at (oddly enough) http://www.linuxnewbie.org/- home of the NHFs (Newbieized Help files "in plain english")

This brokenness of GNOME in RHS 6.0 is the reason I went to Mandrake. Not only did their GNOME implementation actually work for me, I got to try KDE as well. I'm using KDE on a system here at work, and it works ok... I've really got to get afterstep 1.7 whipped into shape (the WM I use at home), tho, since it does a lot of weird things that 1.0 never did.

*sigh* I've had little time to do anything with as, tho

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Well that was meant to be "POLL on their page" but, oh well, like I know anything 'bout HTML...Oh, yeah and look out RH Macmillan says they have 52% of the Linux retail sales in August. GO get 'em, boys!

they'll run a "send in some logo suggestions" contest real soon. Maybe lame humor on my part but really! I love the distro and all but the top-hat just doesn't do it for me. Also they may want to consider letting-go the person who put up that on their page.

IMHO, Linux isn't even ready to take up that challenge. A solid, stable, pretty, glitzy GUI is needed first.

KDE is pretty, stable, solid, glitzy GUI. Gnome is pretty and glitzy, approaching solid and stable.

The OS needs to be usable to a new user - on the same level as Windows.

Mandrake's distro with KDE is extremely easy for a Windows user to get used to, especially if you set up X to start automatically. I installed it on my machine last month after four years of using Windows.

Does anyone remember the iMac ads where the guy says "A computer person? That would be like changing my sex!" ? People use iMacs (and Windows) because they're easy to set up and use. The "Geek Factor" isn't there. If Linux is to appeal to non-geeks, it has to "dumb down" a bit.

As far as the browsers, it would be nice if there were a shockwave player for Linux. But the problem is people writing pages for specific browsers (like IE), not for the web in general. the same thing happens if you use Netscape for Windows.

The article almost hit the nail on the head. We need to get the word out about Linux, but we also need to make it easier for the average user to use

Maybe you should do that now?

Here's a press release from Linux Mandrake about an agreement with LinuxOne, along with several other companies, to enter the Chinese market.

The release is from September 3. Interestingly, there's a little blurb describing LinuxOne (it seems to embellish the company), but there's no link to a LinuxOne web page. My guess is that these guys didn't even have a web site three weeks ago (the other companies mentioned all got links to their sites). It certainly looks like a site that could have gone up during someone's lunch hour.

- Linux-Kernel: 2.2.13 (pre4)
- Enlightenment 0.16-dev5
- GnomeICU 0.66 (according to the GnomeICU Homepage, 0.66 hasn't been released yet..it's still in developement!

And there are other examples of software that has barely been tested...

And while I respect the fact that they are no longer basing their distribution on RedHat, they do claim compatibility with RedHat. I fear that by releasing their distribution prior to RedHat's release they risk some incompatibility.

Redhat now has a chance to "one-up" Mandrake's distribution if they choose to.

Just a few thoughts...

--Jamin Philip Gray
jamin@DoLinux.org

... is here, with info on the major updates and changes.

Here is a web page of instructions on where to download cd images, and why you shouldn't ;-)

I'm sure other distros have images available too... It shouldn't take much work to turn them up...

If you want bleeding edge, try cooker, Mandrake's real time development distro!

However, if you encounter bugs on pre-Helios, please send them to Mandrake's bug ml.

Thank you!

If you want bleeding edge, try cooker, Mandrake's real time development distro!

However, if you encounter bugs on pre-Helios, please send them to Mandrake's bug ml.

Thank you!

Mandrake's main web-site



Follow the "free download" link under "Get Your Mandrake!" to: Mandrake mirror sites

Mandrake's main web-site



Follow the "free download" link under "Get Your Mandrake!" to: Mandrake mirror sites

Mandrake's main web-site

Follow the "free download" link under "Get Your Mandrake!" to: Mandrake mirror sites

Mandrake's main web-site

Follow the "free download" link under "Get Your Mandrake!" to: Mandrake mirror sites

There's a mountain of stuff outstanding from
6.0 and practically none of it is being addressed.

See the sad story at their bug page.

At least with regards to this issue, DiskDrake is a completely different utility than Disk Druid. It's more or less an Open Source Partition Magic-type program. /. ran a story on it a while back ... it looks like a great program. Especially since PM 4 is running $60-70 nowadays.

And checkout the Lothar Project>.

UNIX is a server OS which is making inroads into the desktop marketplace. Windows/Mac OS are desktop operating systems making inroads into the server marketplace.

Windows and a few tag-along friends have been at a decided advantage where bridging the server/desktop gap is concerend. "Any moron can administer" (desktop) equals "cheap sysadmin." "Stable" (server) equals "fewer reboots in the typing pool."

Linux has helped further UNIX's position by adding "cheap" and "popular" to the list of features. Now it's time to really hammer on creating a solid target application environment and, most of all, to focus on ease of use.

There are already countless Linux distributions competing to create the easiest-to-install distribution. The key players know they need to get people up and running painlessly.

But KDE and to a lesser extent, Gnome, represent the next critical step. Fewer of the important players seem to realize (or know what to do about the fact) that ease of use and a consistent desktop are what are going to make or break the huge desktop market for them.

Linux-Mandrake seems to realize this, with their support of David Faure, and FreeBSD seems to be considering methods for a sneak-attack. (There are more KDE threads there.)

Linux or not, whoever can make themselves synonymous with KDE when KOffice and KDE 2.0 go public will have the desktop market locked. Execs will be tripping over each other to be the first to suggest the "stable" "cheap" "popular" and "EASY" OS for every last PC in the place.

Who's it going to be? Will they turn RH into a tiny, forgotten memory? ...will they still remember Linux?