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As to PDAs being PC replacements, I'd seriously consider the Sharp Zaurus CL-760 (laptop-like) or the SL-6000 (integrated 802.11b).

This tiny version of X is called "KDrive" and it ships with XFree86. Read more about it here and here.

And stop talking about "choice" when you don't even know what choices X offers.

Linux is ready for the business desktop.

linux is ready for a lot of other desktops too, such as the audio desktop, the gadget desktop, the flight-control-software desktop, the surveillance desktop, the list-goes-on desktop ...

Linux is ready for the business desktop.

linux is ready for a lot of other desktops too, such as the audio desktop, the gadget desktop, the flight-control-software desktop, the surveillance desktop, the list-goes-on desktop ...

Linux is ready for the business desktop.

linux is ready for a lot of other desktops too, such as the audio desktop, the gadget desktop, the flight-control-software desktop, the surveillance desktop, the list-goes-on desktop ...

Linux is ready for the business desktop.

linux is ready for a lot of other desktops too, such as the audio desktop, the gadget desktop, the flight-control-software desktop, the surveillance desktop, the list-goes-on desktop ...

I especially like the Linux-based PCI Firewall. Now even if you have to have the main processor running Micro$oft products, your other hardware can run its own os. Too bad its so pricey, though I guess $300-$400 is not bad for a computer on a PCI card.

here

Here ya go: http://www.linuxdevices.com

Here ya go: http://www.linuxdevices.com

(humming the tune "Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better...")

I guess this means Beagle has made contact with Earth after all. Perhaps it has to do with Martian hackers who don't like Linux? They can't spell too well though.

Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but "what if" this guy is into Open Source, and saw a nice way to screw MS?

I've read that your conjecture may in fact be the case. If so, then the Eolas patent end up with similar licensing to the RTLinux patent. For those who don't follow RTLinux, a U.S. patent covers its architecture, but the inventor has licensed the patent for free use in all projects under the GNU General Public License.

Oh...so you mean something like this.

You Ser obviously have absolutly no idea about Real Time Operating Systems. On my PentiumI 166MHz with Linux + RTAI I have max jitter 9usec (110 000/sec), and this is as fast as expensive Real-Time Operating Systems like QNX, or VxWorks can deliver.

RTAI

RTAI Shedulers

RTAI: Real-Time Application Interface

Also, Linux can not meet the real-time reqirements of many applications (feel free to flame me, but it is definately true, despite any "real-time layers" that have been added to Linux). For example, I work on a product that has 512k of SRAM, with a processor clock speed of 156 MHz, and it's "clock tick" has to be less than 40 usec (typical times of Linux include 5 msec).

Linux with RTAI on 150MHz CPU has no problem with delivering Hard Real-Time with jitter not exceeding 20 usec (It can be much less).

RTAI

RTAI Shedulers

RTAI: Real-Time Application Interface

For your benefit:
While not disclosing specific market share numbers publicly, VDC provided the following list indicating the market share position in terms of sales revenue, for the leading vendors in the embedded operating system market . . .
1. Microsoft
2. Wind River
3. Symbian
4. Palm
5. QNX
6. Enea Data
7. Green Hills Software
8. LynuxWorks
9. MontaVista Software
10. Accelerated Technology (Mentor Graphics)

I think this is what you're referring to

...it would be more likely that the public would realize that they're just filming this whole shebang out in the Utah desert.

Maybe, but this suggests that SCO would be out in force, battering the rover with blunt weapons.

...you should know that Linksys has no respect for the GPL, and only agreed to release its source code for $10 after threats of litigation.

This is not a company that you should support.

Sincerely,
Seth Finklestein
Open Source Company Watchdog

Yes, the dreamcast is a very nice gadget to play around with.

And there are lots of docs about running UNIX on it, too!

The bad news is that the cpu is a bit too weak for serious video-playback.
But hey, you can build a cheap-ass webserver from it.

How about RTFA ?
Indoor and outdoor LED display vendor TecnoVision, S.p.A. used the open source KA9Q Network Operating System for TCP/IP over Packet Radio to improve product functionality and flexibility, while reducing time to market and design risks. The 26 year-old Italian company makes signs used in advertisement, sport and entertainment events, live concerts, and for road information.

"Little LED's" ? Read more here

Now the Samsung phone looks quite nice but the form factor may limit its appeal. It's not that big, but the PDA design is an akward shape for your trouser pocket and looks a bit odd next to your face when making a phone call (I'm thinking of O2's XDA here for comparison). As for the Motorola and the E28, is it just me or are they really ugly? I know looks are very subjective, but they can hardly count as sleek and stylish. The material looks cheap for a start - looks like the grey plastic with metal colour sprayed on that wears of on the edges in no time - like several of Motorolas older clamshell phones. They look quite chubby too.

Now don't get me wrong, I really like the idea of Linux on a phone and would love to own one someday, but unless they start producing more varied and more appealing designs I doubt they will be very successful. By comparison most current Symbian phones look nice and come in reasonable sizes. Even Motorala's MS Smarthphone thingy looks alright (looks ok, obviously you wouldn't want one because of the software).

I'm not so sure. They are at least pointing to different articles.

Here is yesterday's slashdot article
Here is the article it was refering to.
And here is the article that todays slashdot article is refering to.

(Both Articles are at linuxdevices.com but they are different articles.)

Now, the phone in yesterday's article is talking about the E28 manufactured by, well it doesn't say beyond that it's a Chinese company.

This article refers to what looks like a different phone (look at the picture) that is described as the Samsung SCH-i519.
Is Samsung a Chinese company?

The features of the phones look very similar, and I thought this was a dupe at first too, but I think they are refering to different phones, and thus is it really a dupe?

Dollars to doughnuts I get 2 slashdot subscriptions for Xmas. Hope the returns dept. is open on boxing day.

And more importantly, does this mean that I will get the gift of a slashdot subscription?

I'm not so sure. They are at least pointing to different articles.

Here is yesterday's slashdot article
Here is the article it was refering to.
And here is the article that todays slashdot article is refering to.

(Both Articles are at linuxdevices.com but they are different articles.)

Now, the phone in yesterday's article is talking about the E28 manufactured by, well it doesn't say beyond that it's a Chinese company.

This article refers to what looks like a different phone (look at the picture) that is described as the Samsung SCH-i519.
Is Samsung a Chinese company?

The features of the phones look very similar, and I thought this was a dupe at first too, but I think they are refering to different phones, and thus is it really a dupe?

Dollars to doughnuts I get 2 slashdot subscriptions for Xmas. Hope the returns dept. is open on boxing day.

And more importantly, does this mean that I will get the gift of a slashdot subscription?

Note the edges of the screen people, how did the display become so square, while the screen itself isn't? Even more blatant, why should the phone have an oval outerlid that would, apparently, only shows a grey box-like icon?

Something's not quite right here, methinks.

Just to bring this to reality for you geeks out there, Some info on the embedded OS word.

See? It all comes back to Linux! ;)

You can find a lot of different boards on Linux Devices, although it takes some clicking to find any dealers / prices. I found a 200 mhz board with a full Windows/Linux toolchain that sells for around $100. BVM UK carries a range of low-to mid-range-processor single boards for embedded applications, plus some more esoteric P4 / P3 / Eden Mini-ITX boards, ranging from $220 to ~$400.

I don't know much about them, but Linux Devices has a section on small- and tiny-FF single-board computers, including PPC-based systems and the ever-popular ARM 206mhz cpu boards.

The article is actually an email thread. It does explain boths views. Here's another look at it from Kevin Dankwardt. A little dated, sept. 2002, but still relevant today.

It is clear that *BSD is dying, however most *BSD users can not accept that fact that their operating system is on the virge of extinction. Wind River, *BSDs biggest support has turned their back on *BSD, as they now see that *BSD is not at all successful. I quote from this article

"It should be noted that this is not an entirely new approach for Wind River. Back in 2001, the company acquired BSDi with the intention that BSD UNIX would provide a solution to the "Linux problem" and round out the company's OS offerings.

"Wind River's strategy with BSD was to provide Linux-like OS -- an open source, UNIX API," notes Genard, who says the company felt that with BSD UNIX, they could "provide something close to Linux's attributes -- a good solution for the customers."

"We [subsequently] realized that our strategy around BSD was wrong, it wasn't sufficient, so we [eventually] dropped BSD," Genard says. "It wasn't clear what the market was looking for -- it [BSD] was too niched to be successful."

"We [then] realized we needed to endorse and embrace Linux, find a way to build a business that provides value and a revenue stream," he adds.

"The Wind River BSD product is now 'end-of-lifed' and we have disengaged from BSD completely," says Genard.

The purging of BSD from Wind River's product line was accomplished quietly, and without a formal announcement."

Now I don't know about you, but this seems like a pretty good indication on where exactly, *BSD is headed, straight to the graveyard. Even Slashdot has no confidence in *BSDs survival. When this article was published, it was from the "sizing-each-other-up dept." This is clearly a metaphor for sizing *BSD for a suit, for when it meets it ultimate demise. Now, if you can't figure out the message of this post, and need some more help, look at this:

*BSD IS DYING

What are the options for revising the GPL, if any?

linux pdas, more then you can buy (well, at least more then I can buy...)

Am I the only one to remember the recent trade negotiations that went on recently in Mexico? The Chinese Govn't has been throwing so many deals our way its obvious China is trying very hard not to upset the forces in Washington who can't 'Campaign' away the freakishly huge trade imbalance.

Heck, even FSMLabs picked up some business with Redflag. On the same day!

In any case, its a Good Thing 1 million desktops will be running linux under the hood, but lets not forget the world is far from black and white.

The LART is perfect - its cheap (okay, 200UKP+) and the design is completely open - including schematics - so you've got the best hardware combo for your Linux software:

The LinuxDevices page on LART

The LART home page

Last I checked (2 months ago) they still had LART boards available from a 'community-production run' of boards made for other LART hackers ... so you could spend a few hundred bucks and easily get yourself a nice little board for experimenting with.

That said, I'll give you another bit of advice for eval boards for Linux: GO DIRECTLY TO THE CHIP VENDORS. Do not pass google. Do not spend $200.

Chip vendors (Motorola/Intel/HP/AMD/etc.) make evaluation boards for their embeddable CPU designs, and you can guess which OS is the most commonly supported, at the engineering level ... yes, Linux.

Pick your CPU, check if there's a port for it (there probably is), then go to the CPU vendor and get their eval board for it...

Samsung have some good ARM920T-based designs which are cheap and supported by eval board vendors around the world (check www.mizi.com for example) ... and the Motorola Coldfire team love Linux.

Slashdot won't give you a good answer. Go for the CPU vendors...

If you need USB, audio and video, just build a mini-itx computer. Cheap, small, and it's a fully functioning computer. The VIA EPIA 5000 is only 7 by 7 inches, pretty small, while it's bigger counterpart is still only a few inches bigger. Plus, you can get small cases, fairly cheap memory, optical drives like CD burners, DVD, etc, thin versions of the optical drives, hard drives, and more. If you need so much functionality, then mini-itx is better.


If you're concerned about paying SCO's license fees ($32 for embedded devices, $699 for single CPU's), don't worry: that offer expired October 1. You're in the same boat as the rest of us, buddy!

If you need USB, audio and video, just build a mini-itx computer. Cheap, small, and it's a fully functioning computer. The VIA EPIA 5000 is only 7 by 7 inches, pretty small, while it's bigger counterpart is still only a few inches bigger. Plus, you can get small cases, fairly cheap memory, optical drives like CD burners, DVD, etc, thin versions of the optical drives, hard drives, and more. If you need so much functionality, then mini-itx is better.


If you're concerned about paying SCO's license fees ($32 for embedded devices, $699 for single CPU's), don't worry: that offer expired October 1. You're in the same boat as the rest of us, buddy!

I was really hoping for builtin wireless access like in the SL-6000.

Actually, according to this article at LinuxDevices, Mot did NOT select Qtopia for the A760. Quoting from the LinuxDevices article: 'Trolltech has announced that Motorola's much anticipated A760 smartphone will be based on Trolltech's Qt/Embedded application development framework. However, the device will not make use of Trolltech's Qtopia Phone Edition, which Trolltech has pre-released to select customers but not yet formally shipped.'

Actually, according to this article at LinuxDevices, Mot did NOT select Qtopia for the A760. Quoting from the LinuxDevices article: 'Trolltech has announced that Motorola's much anticipated A760 smartphone will be based on Trolltech's Qt/Embedded application development framework. However, the device will not make use of Trolltech's Qtopia Phone Edition, which Trolltech has pre-released to select customers but not yet formally shipped.'

Actually, according to this article at LinuxDevices, Mot did NOT select Qtopia for the A760. Quoting from the LinuxDevices article: 'Trolltech has announced that Motorola's much anticipated A760 smartphone will be based on Trolltech's Qt/Embedded application development framework. However, the device will not make use of Trolltech's Qtopia Phone Edition, which Trolltech has pre-released to select customers but not yet formally shipped.'

Linux-BAsed Automotive CPU

You are a complete fucktard.

• Telecom giants join Linux effort
• Carrier Grade Linux
• Nortel Succession Communication Server 2000
• Cisco SIP Proxy
• Mitel 3050ICP
• Morotola Carrier Grade Chassis
• Motorola HA Linux
• Motorola VoIP
• Zultys Phones
• Zultys PBX
• SNOM Phones
• SNOM Media Server
• Asterisk
• Vovida

You are a complete fucktard.

• Telecom giants join Linux effort
• Carrier Grade Linux
• Nortel Succession Communication Server 2000
• Cisco SIP Proxy
• Mitel 3050ICP
• Morotola Carrier Grade Chassis
• Motorola HA Linux
• Motorola VoIP
• Zultys Phones
• Zultys PBX
• SNOM Phones
• SNOM Media Server
• Asterisk
• Vovida

You are a complete fucktard.

• Telecom giants join Linux effort
• Carrier Grade Linux
• Nortel Succession Communication Server 2000
• Cisco SIP Proxy
• Mitel 3050ICP
• Morotola Carrier Grade Chassis
• Motorola HA Linux
• Motorola VoIP
• Zultys Phones
• Zultys PBX
• SNOM Phones
• SNOM Media Server
• Asterisk
• Vovida

I don't mean to imply that you are one but, sadly too many people jumping on Linsys without really havening the story.

The short version is that Brodcom was subcontracted by Linksys to develop the imbeded software and Linksys wasn't fully aware of the obligations under the GPL.

Linksys GPL code (or most of it) can now be found here.

Thanks for the mirror of the photos!
Some other articles (mostly ones mentioning the Zaurus User Group article, unfortunately) include:

LinuxDevices.com

BrightHand.com

and

PDALive.com

Enjoy!

• First Pentium M based Mini-ITX SBC runs Linux
• Pentium-M In Mini-ITX Format

SRI Centipod is also based on VIA technology and already runs on Linux. It was demonstrated at Linuxworld 2003 in San Francisco. clicky

If someone really didn't know who pays his salary now, it's OSDL, a group of sponsors including IBM, Dell, HP, etc.

and when you sit back at night watching television shows your tivo has recorded checking your email on your zaurus, just know that linux has no place in commercial products.

someone mod this troll down.