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Well, it's very different, looks nice, perhaps a bit too complex.

But check out this page where you get the download from: they've used a Microsoft HTML editor: spot the tell-tail '?' in "what?s most important"...

Have they finally relented on this issue??

(For those who aren't aware, MS extended the 'latin-1' standard ASCII++ character set to add a new, different single-quote using one of the unassigned characters. It's a defined standard, but only MS browsers used to read it: regardless of whether the special MS char set was announced at the top of the html page. Netscape traditionally showed the '?' in defiance.)



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ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6_PR1 /windows/win32/sea/NetscapeSetup.exe

It works from behind a socks/proxy!

-mark

In fact, I was dissapointed by the amount of branding they did. I know it's only a preview, but I would've hoped to see the --installer convert more than my bookmarks. It didn't copy my Flash install and I doubt it even supports it. It hangs a lot on their startpage. not a good first impression.

I'll stick with 4.7x without Java for most tasks and the real Mozilla builds for the adventure.. this branded preview has little more to offer than Mozilla has.

Going through the website at the link provided won't let you download the beta unless you accept a tracking cookie from ads.web.aol.com. It looks like you can do an FTP download without cookie tracking from:
ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/nets cape6/english/6_PR1.

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Here's a directory containing the full install as a 16 MB Windoze .exe (since I insist on installing it at work):
ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6_PR1 /windows/win32/sea/

Or more directly:
ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6_PR1 /windows/win32/sea/Netsc apeSetup.exe

Enjoy!

Here's a directory containing the full install as a 16 MB Windoze .exe (since I insist on installing it at work):
ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6_PR1 /windows/win32/sea/

Or more directly:
ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6_PR1 /windows/win32/sea/Netsc apeSetup.exe

Enjoy!

I guess NS 6.0 includes some components of Mozilla, most noticably the Gecko renderer, but not all. Plus of course there'll be tons of old NS code to handle Flash, Java, etc etc. About 4Mb of overhead (comparing the 10Mb download to the 6Mb Mozilla download).

Oh well, I'm sure most of *us* will like it.

More important will be the public acceptance and attitude. And whether AOL will finally use Ns/Gecko in its products. How compliant IE 5.5's Tasman *really* is (the Netscape article on DevEdge seemed a tad biased.

Even if this won't pull Netscape out of the dark, it would be nice if we could start developing websites without compatibility hacks. That alone would be worth it IMHO.

I'll be back when wget tells me it has [100%].

If it's April 1st, it must be Quittin' Day...

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And FWIW, it's not necessary to install all the mindless crap like Instant Messenger, Quality Feedback Agent (if they didn't want this preview to be out yet don't be sending back crash data!), the spell checker and Net2Phone module. Just select the Custom install and unselect those options.

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Point and click FTP?
What a concept.
Maybe someone could implement it in a web browser...

Now, whether that runs into problems with HTTP header restrictions (section 4.2 of either HTTP spec), that's another question. Multiple Set-Cookie: headers *may* be collapsed into one header with comma-separated cookies, which is a problem if any cookie field has a comma in it (expires, path). But such an event is unlikely, so you're probably safe to send multiple Set-Cookie: headers.

- but of course, I can't install anything without everything... bah!

sure you can. I use netscape navigator 4.72. Navigator is exactly what you want, just the browser and not any of the crap. If my link doesn't work for you try a real ftp client (eg ncftp) with passive mode off (in ncftp that is 'set passive off')) Infact I have netscape navigator configured to use Mutt as the email client with a little package called altmail. I don't have a url, but search freshmeat or the netscape site if interested.

The stats are staggering, they have sold 900K units in a few days. A recall/repair would be quite a mess, even if it was limited to Japan.

Hi. I'm one of the developers who is working on getting the crypto stuff out of our internal tree and into the M14 branch.

It is true that for the moment, this branch will only be useful with a binary-only module that we are cranking out for both 4.x and Netscape 6 browsers.

However, as you will see here, we are in the process of getting all the source code that we legally can out there. We made tarballs available a few weeks ago, and though that code doesn't build, at least you can get an idea of how the binary piece works.

We're still working on patent issues, as you might guess, along with a number of other things, before we can have a fully working build in the mozilla tree. But we're getting there.

Mark Welch -- Crypto/PKI developer -- Sun|Netscape Alliance

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Go checkout http://developer.ne tscape.com/docs/manuals/deploymt/jsprefs.htm for all the preferences w/descriptions. Be sure and make a copy of the changes you make in case they get over written at some point and you need to add them to preferences.js again.

Anyone else having problems downloading the strong encryption version?

Go to http://www.netscape.com/download/ unsupported.html, and pick the Linux 2.2 / 128-bit Communicator 4.72 link. It works.

"Using the Insert Link command (or the Link button) in Composer or when composing HTML messages may cause Communicator to crash." This is a brand-spanking new bug in Netscape 4.72 Why don't they fix this stuff before they release it? Or, barring that, at least take out the feature so people don't crash Netscape by using it.

"If you attempt to use Messenger the very first time you run Communicator, it may quit with an "Illegal instruction" message."

"If you delete your only IMAP server and then add a POP server, Communicator may quit."

"A previous workaround for Unix systems, to avoid the freezing on startup of the edit or compose window, has been changed." Is it just me, or does this just sound silly? Changing workarounds, why don't they just fix it!?

I wouldn't mind this so much, except they're introducing new features, mostly useless features, before they even bother to fix these bugs.

Chris Hagar

That's the release notes for 4.70 not 4.72, you ninny.

Look at the first line:

Last updated: October 8, 1999

Try this link instead.

Try this instead, and this for Windows.

Try this instead, and this for Windows.

You can download Navigator standalone 4.72 for *nix here. I don't think there's a Windows Navigator 4.72 though, that's probably still at 4.08. Oh well.

If you want to see what's changed, check out the Release Notes! Looks like a lot of changes, few fixes.

heh, i'm gonna answer my own question... here@netscape .com

• Global IME support: users of Windows 95, 98 and NT 4.0 can now download Global IME modules that enable input of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean characters into mail messages and web forms. For more information on using Global IME under communicator, choose International Users from the Help menu. Windows 2000 users should use the fonts and IMEs available on the installation CD. If you're running Windows 98, just select the Windows Update icon in the Start menu. From there, select Product Updates, and download the language support and IMEs you wish to use.
  
• User agent support for Windows 2000
  

Microsoft says that Bill didn't say they'd open the source.

Check this download from Netscape's developer site. It's example code and documentation for you to plug-in third-party mail and/or news systems. I have Netscape launching Pine with the To: line filled in on my machine, and I don't see why you couldn't get it to launch mutt.

Please moderate up the poster who said this will be the new dog at my homework excuse.
Buy.com goes public, their site gets more traffic than normal, crashes and burns, and it is a DOS attack!
article here

Would you mind posting a link to the download location for this Linux Alpha version of Netscape?

I did not see it at Netscape.

-d9

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See Netscape Directory's entry for more info.

Don't know how the whole UK dependency thing would work out, but it sure seems attractive.

I just want to launch a satellite with a fat linux box and some heavy bandwidth.

Bloomberg News is reporting that Real *won* the injunction.

http://technews.netscape.com/news/0-1005-200-15262 36.html?tag=st.ne.ron.lthd.10 05-200-1526236

Now, which is it?

BTW, I have complained to the Netscape X11 group about this via e-mail. If you use something other than x86 Linux, how about sending them a e-mail?

Eh. I don't know if low memory consumption was one of the primary design goals, but if so they haven't reached it yet. I've compiled my own with sources from 4 days ago and it's distressingly worse than Netscape in terms of memory use.

And that was with --enable-optimize and --disable-debug arguments passed to configure. I desperately want to see Mozilla succeed, and I've no doubt it will be a worthy rival to IE, but I'm not sure if it will be suitable for low-memory machines.

On the other hand, I remember reading about it being adopted for some low-cost "web appliances", which I have to assume won't be very memory-rich. So perhaps this is just pre-code optimization bloat. I sure hope so.

Steve 'Nephtes' Freeland | Okay, so maybe I'm a tiny itty

...were the McCool brothers, Rob and Mike. Rob was the original author of NCSA httpd, which is pretty dammed amazing considering that he must have been a sophmore at the time. You can read a historical document by Rob describing the early httpd here.

I have to imagine that the fact that IMSA had an internet connection and UNIX and tought these things to high school students had something to do with the McCool brother's skills. And thus had a critical influence on the early development of the web, and on the way that you're reading this document today.

P.S. I feel sort of like James Burke (Of "Connections" fame).

If Time-Warner owns AOL, that means they'll own Netscape. Maybe this means somebody'll get around to fixing it so that CNN.com doesn't crash Communicator anymore...

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It basically says that both Microsoft and the Govt of China both deny the story and that the newspaper (in China) that originally reported it has no evidence for the policy.

The university department I work for ran into a slight problem. My boss just gave me a call (pretty calmly, but a little upset) saying that she had just tried to login to our (ie my responsibility) secure website to check and make sure it was still working. When she did, she got an error saying 'Certificate Expired'. Fortunatly, I only had to roll into the chair next to my bed to check it out on my box .. no error for me! Turns out she had Netscape 4.05, and the Authority Certificate (not ours, but the RSA Data Security Certificate) in 4.05 and earlier expires on Dec 31 1999.. This is something our IS guys didn't think of (we always upgrade our netscapes when the come out, but other people don't often).. I wonder how many other people missed it? First thing I did was go to netscape's website, and sure thing it's right there on the right hand side. The boss said that Netscape's website was really slow when she was downloading 4.7. I bet a bunch of people went to purchase "101 Things to do with a ton of rice, three drums of whiskey, and a shotgun (for Dummies)" on Amazon.com and got the same certificate error.

OBActualY2KProblem: At least 8 power plants in the US lost their synchronization signal from the GPS satellites. No loss of service, since their computers still knew what time it was). It has been fixed, but if it had gone undetected for long enough for the clocks to get unsynchronized. That would have been a problem!

Same thing is true for Javascript date/time functions in web browsers. Though IE and Netscape handle it differently. I believe IE works like Perl does above, but netscape, once it gets to "2000" just jumps from 99 to 2000.

The problem with getYear() is that in early implementations of JavaScript it returns a two-digit year for dates between 1900-01-01 and 1999-31-12, while for all other dates it returns a four-digit year. See Netscape's Client-Side JavaScript Reference getYear under "Backward Compatibility". Later implementations always return the year minus 1900, just like Perl does. Netscape's reference says the turnover came with JS v1.2, so Netscape 4.x, IE4 & IE5 should in theory all do it right.

Acording to Netscape's cert info page you have to upgrade your browser or put up with a warning dialog box. Don't know about IE though.

This just isn't right, there are a lot of computers out there in use that don't have the horsepower to run the current browser versions well. You would *think* that there would be something we could do if we don't want to put up with that message besides chunking the computer.

Also, how long are the certs in the current browser versions good for?

Let us not forget the Canadian Copyright Board's decision to levy a heavy tax on recordable CDs to "protect" artists from pirating.

AltaVista, Yahoo, MSN, Netscape, Excite, and of course AOL all have links to this. All of these guys have money, and it's very probable that at least one of them won't obey this court order through sheer carelessness. Let's get ready to Sue!

- Communicator bug report form
-Bugzilla, for mozilla

Or check the card catalog of your local libraries.

Of course, this all ties into the point made earlier which is that interface design can be vastly improved. By this, I mean that if I'm going to make heavy use of an application (like my text editor), I should be able to change every miniscule detail about its operation--for a keyboard person like me, that means I set up all my own key bindings, using any keys that I wish (I don't use any of the bindings for my emacs keys which are intercepted by the windowmanager, like M-tab for ispell), and for the mouse-oriented person, that means that all menus/mouse clicks should be configurable. More at the core of the problem is that people noways think an application is usable if it allows access to all of its commands from a menu, and this is wrong. An application is configurable if I can combine its commands in ways that I think are useful. Every application that I'm going to spend a lot of time in should have some sort of powerful scripting language built into it. Emacs is a good example of this; if I see that I'm doing a lot of things repeatedly, I should be able to script those things and make them available as a command, either via keyboard or mouse (that's what computers are good at, automating repetitive tasks). To me, that's what seems to be the whole idea behing the unix shell--you combine a bunch of commands together and end up with something suited to your own tastes. When I use an application written without this in mind, I feel like George Jetson at his job, where he spent all day pushing a button; look at netscape for instance. I spend a lot of time hitting escape to continue loading a page when some advertisement banner linked from a slow server pops up. I should be able to right-click on these banners whenever I see them and say "Don't ever load any animated gifs from this server again." I would be willing to spend the time to learn whatever scripting language to get this simple feature (but I would not be willing to go through tens of megs of C that I don't have a hope of understanding). By the same token, I want a powerful scripting language which gives me access to all features of the application, not like the little javascript toolbar buttons you can set up in netscape which are deliberately watered-down (and whose documentation is not readily available, rather hidden away on netscape's site, as if it would confuse new users if there was an "advanced configuration" item under the help menu).

This idea has been said before--look at Guido van Rossum's current project, Computer Programming for Everybody. (Guido van Rossum is the creator of Python.)

The exact same 1997 press release can be found here.

• Germans against Scientology
  
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• International pickets against Scientology
  
• Netscape Search: Scientology
  

It might be "true", but you know very well that the poster only intended it as flaimbait.

You want to check out the Netscape Standards Challenge.

On the bottom of the linked page is an even better article- 'UK Men Use Internet to Buy Women to Browse-Study'.Oh wait, there's a comma in there...