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Well, Mozilla, KAddressBook, and OpenLDAP support LDIF. That seems like a pretty feature-complete standard for sharing directory information.

You mean this isn't the Netscape Toolbar for IE?

No, but it does include the Netscape Toolbar for Netscape.

Last version of Netscape to support OS 9 was 7.02. I assume there's no OS 9 version of 7.1/7.2 because they're built on versions of Mozilla that don't support OS 9, the last one that did was 1.2.1.

You mean this isn't the Netscape Toolbar for IE?

Branding, your average PHB has heard of Netscape, not Mozilla.

Well funnily enough when I was looking at the Netscape home page I was redirected here. They're now using the Mozilla brand to push their browser:

Download the NEW Netscape® 7.2 browser (built with Mozilla) to take advantage of the latest security and popup blocking features and enjoy the best from Netscape.com.

Branding, your average PHB has heard of Netscape, not Mozilla.

Well funnily enough when I was looking at the Netscape home page I was redirected here. They're now using the Mozilla brand to push their browser:

Download the NEW Netscape® 7.2 browser (built with Mozilla) to take advantage of the latest security and popup blocking features and enjoy the best from Netscape.com.

Yup, good 'ol Javascript & ECMAScript.

Have fun.

Peace & Blessings,
bmac

Supposedly the common ancestor is King Edward I (1239-1307). I say supposedly because the family tree javascript popup on this page on Ancestry.com which mentions the connection of course does not function with my Linux-based browser. However I have seen a few references to the tree that confirm this.

Okay. Google me!

this is news for nerds

Javascript has what you need. It's built into Mozilla. Type javascript: in the address bar and type a program.

I'd say it was too late. Netscape was turned into an ISP as well as being a major content portal. Would AOL want to lose their ISP customers and page hits by giving the Netscape brand to the Mozilla Foundation?

If you say then they'd keep their customers and portal but allow Mozilla to brand their browser 'Netscape' then effectively they'd then be relying on Netscape for their marketing and you'd suffer from the problem of having to track down download links in the confusing mess that is their portal

Man, do you remember when writing a webpage by hand was easy? Back in 1996 or so when just about anybody with a text editor and a link to that excellent Netscape HTML manual could write a decent page without spending hours poring over obtuse documentation?

Now you have to figure out what Doctype to set, learn CSS, enter some sort of weird workaround for IE, etc... Worse, HTML used to be fairly forgiving for the author so Newbies could get a decent page without spending hours and hours trying to figure out why their page is coming up blank or trying to figure out why the validator is complaining at them. (I really hate when it says stuff like: Illegal use of <B>. And I'm left scratching my head as to why it is illegal.). It's no wonder newbies choose instead to write their webpage in Word and use the horrible "export to HTML" feature.

*hint* *hint*

If I type just "tired" in the location bar it goes to this page

If I type "a tired" it does a Google "...Lucky" search.

My keyword URL was the default (i.e. Google "Lucky" search). Just for kicks I took the lucky part out, but it still behaves the same before and after.

Check out this article Here

If I was a gambling man, I bet it can't be much different.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%s site:en.wikipedia.org&btnI=I'm+Feeling+Lucky

You've confused Java with JavaScript.

-C

Couldn't mozilla offer a complete install with all the plugins as standard?

Yea, it's called Navigator...

First, look at the Apple Developer Connection Inside Macintosh: Devices Device Manager chapter on Writing a Desk Accessory. Next, read Netscape's Sidebar Developer's Guide. Then, read the Konfabulator Widget XML and Javascript Reference documentation. Finally, read Apple's own marketing description of the Dashboard technology. Now, do Dashboard and Konfabulator sound to you like two unrelated descendants of Desk Accessories (on parallel branches), or does it sound to you like there's a progression in development technologies from Desk Accessories to Sidebars to Konfabulator to Dashboard?

Next, ask yourself this question: if Konfabulator were made by Real Technologies, and Dashboard were part of Windows, would the DoJ be investigating? Even if Apple isn't copying the technology of Konfabulator, they are clearly poaching on Konfabulator's market. Now, there's nothing either illegal or immoral about this - that's the way business is done, sometimes - unless you happen to be a monopoly trying to drive competitors out of business.

Apple's position is not as a monopoly trying to fend off potential competitors, but as a platform champion which SHOULD be trying to expand its market share by expanding the capabilities and the desirability of its platform. By embracing Open Source and UNIX-based technologies, Apple seemed to be moving to expand its developer base and thus the capabilities and desirability of its platform. Apple could choose to be offer a wide-ranging alternative, or it could choose to marginalize itself in the pursuit of total control over its niche.

So it was depressingly stupid marketing of Apple to introduce Dashboard at WWDC. The audience of the WWDC isn't an audience of potential dashboard widget developers - they aren't HTML/JavaScript folks. The audience of the WWDC are independent developers - and they were treated with a wonderful object lesson of how Apple treats independent developers who try to improve the platform and introduce new technologies with the potential to increase the adaptability and desirability of the platform: Apple crushes them in a Keynote. Adobe dropped Premiere because of Final Cut Pro - and we all thought it was OK (I thought it was OK; I have a copy myself) because Final Cut Pro is a better product and is focused purely on the Apple Platform. MS is dropping IE, probably because of Safari - and we thought it was OK (certainly I thought it was OK) because Safari was based upon an Open Source framework (KHTML) and was giving back to the community, and IE is IE - it controls the market, it's Goliath, and it was good to see Apple give us a David to root for. What are we going to do when Apple goes after Alias, or BareBones, or Intuit? Probably root for Apple. But when Apple crushes all the Arlo Roses of the world, who's going to be left to write software for our precious Macs?

This browser warning page thoroughly trashes MSIE, but every phrase is linked to a news article that uses the exact same verbiage in order to demonstrate that it isn't just anti MS FUD - It's the honest truth. It's designed and maintained for webmasters to deliver to the IE-using visitors to their webpages. You can read the source code for some more information about that. In case you're curious, here's a paste of the text and links that it has - This should prove quite effective with anyone you're trying to convince to stop using IE:

Your web browser - a version of Microsoft Internet Explorer - may not function properly on this website, and could have a large number of problems that allow hackers to hijack it with viruses. These viruses could be used by criminals to secretly take over your computer, download child-pornography, or to commit acts of terrorism and fraud. You may automatically update it now with Microsoft's available patches, however, there is a possibility that a necessary patch will not be available due to Microsoft's somewhat sluggish development schedule.

The US Department of Homeland Security strongly suggests that you stop using Internet Explorer immediately.

There are several standards-compliant web browsers that you may use instead of Internet Explorer. Please install one of them as a replacement.

• Opera [Download Now]
• Mozilla [Download Now]
• Netscape [Download Now]
• K-Meleon [Download Now]

If you suspect that your computer is already being used for criminal activity, it is critical that you seek help from a computer professional in your local area. You may also try one of the free web-based virus scanners that are available.

This browser warning page thoroughly trashes MSIE, but every phrase is linked to a news article that uses the exact same verbiage in order to demonstrate that it isn't just anti MS FUD - It's the honest truth. It's designed and maintained for webmasters to deliver to the IE-using visitors to their webpages. You can read the source code for some more information about that. In case you're curious, here's a paste of the text and links that it has - This should prove quite effective with anyone you're trying to convince to stop using IE:

Your web browser - a version of Microsoft Internet Explorer - may not function properly on this website, and could have a large number of problems that allow hackers to hijack it with viruses. These viruses could be used by criminals to secretly take over your computer, download child-pornography, or to commit acts of terrorism and fraud. You may automatically update it now with Microsoft's available patches, however, there is a possibility that a necessary patch will not be available due to Microsoft's somewhat sluggish development schedule.

The US Department of Homeland Security strongly suggests that you stop using Internet Explorer immediately.

There are several standards-compliant web browsers that you may use instead of Internet Explorer. Please install one of them as a replacement.

• Opera [Download Now]
• Mozilla [Download Now]
• Netscape [Download Now]
• K-Meleon [Download Now]

If you suspect that your computer is already being used for criminal activity, it is critical that you seek help from a computer professional in your local area. You may also try one of the free web-based virus scanners that are available.

Maybe they're looking for a place to dump these!

I am curious how long this problem has been around.

I checked and duplicated the problem on Netscape 7.1 and Firefox .8
However the problem does not exist with Netscape Communicator 4.8 and probably never has since I recall the original Netscape documentation containing information on security that frames could only be changed by frames from the same domain.

Anyone running IE with the current help file keylogger problem is asking for worse than spoofing.

Somebody broke something, after the version 4 browsers and the fix is not to get rid of frames, but repair the dom model in the browsers.

And just WHY should CNN, or any other news service, "push" one product over another? What possible interest could they have?

Well, maybe they could do a little mention, like:

Alternative browsers such as Netscape 7.1 and the Mozilla Project's Firefox browser are unaffected by this and many other flaws. Netscape is a fully-owned subsidiary of AOL Time Warner, the parent company of CNN.

No way... Netscape 7.1 is Mozilla seamonkey.

What is new in Firefox and Thunderbird that would make me want to migrate to them instead of stick with my current browser? I know there's a new design (woop-dee-doo) and it's faster. But is there ANYTHING else?

There are some really nice features to Firefox that you might not notice at first, but when you do, you'll never want to turn back to Mozilla SeaMonkey again. Believe me!

Built-in features:

• Customizable search field: Firefox has a built-in search field which uses Google by default. You can add engines to this field for all sorts of things. I use IMDB search and DHL tracking as well as some documentation searches.
• Keyword bookmarks: Not just bookmarks! Associate keywords and parameters with certain bookmarks so you can create URLs dynamically (more info here). Some default examples are "dict some_word" for dictionary lookups, "goto some_search" for Google I'm Feeling Lucky searches. I've add my own keyword bookmarks for Netcraft, RFC docs and train time tables.
• Disable plug-ins: If you want you can enable/disable each of your plug-ins dynamically from within Firefox.

There are lots of very handy extensions for Firefox, namely:

• AdBlock: This one alone should be enough reason to switch! Complete ad-blocking for all your needs. It's based on URL globbing, so you can finally block ad elements that are stored locally on the websites (not possible with Mozilla's default "block images from this server"). It has handy options for right-clicking and blocking iframes (very cool!), images and removing imagemaps. Also, for your chance visits to sites you probably won't visit again - "overlay flash". Just hit ctrl+shift+f and have flash and java applets blocked out for the duration of your single visit.
• Web Developer: Very handy extension! Numerous features such as live editing of CSS, easy HTML/CSS validation, element outlining, form/cookie information, etc.

Give it try! You'll be glad you did. :-)

z

• Netscape Communicator 4 for the web. This is what I used before upgrading my P100. If you use Linux, Dillo is a leightweight web browser (don't know how well it hacks the modern web).
• GAIM for all your IM needs. Supports AOL, Yahoo IM, etc. Available both for Windows and for Linux.
• If using Linux, don't use KDE nor GNOME. XFCE or FVWM are far more snappy and memory-efficient.

I have always felt that Linux is a nice operating system (for hobbyists and geeks), but there are some areas where it is seriously lacking, especially when compared to its main competitor, Microsoft Windows.

* File sharing. Windows has long been superior when it comes to making large
amounts of files available to third parties. Even early versions of Windows
automatically detected and made available all directories thanks to the built in
NetBIOS-powered file sharing support. But Microsoft has realized that this
technology is inherently limited and has added even better file sharing support
to its Windows XP operating system. Universal Plug and Play will
make it possible to literally access any file, from any device! I think
universal file sharing support needs to be built into the Linux kernel soon.

* Intelligent agents. With innovations like Clippy, the talking paperclip and Microsoft Bob, Microsoft has always tried to make life easier
for its customers. With Outlook and Outlook Express, Microsoft has built a framework for developers to create even smarter agents. Especially popular agents include "Sircam", which automatically asks the users' friends for advice
on files he is working on and the "Hybris" agent, which is a self-replicating
copy of a humorous take on "Snow-White and the Seven Dwarves" (the real story!).
Microsoft is working on expanding this P2P technology to its web servers. This
project is still in the beta stage, thus the name "Code Red". The next versions
will be called "Code Yellow" and "Code Green".

* Version numbers. Linux has real naming problems. What's the difference
between a 2.4.19 and a 2.2.17 kernel anyway? And what's with those odd and even
numbers? Microsoft has always had clear and sophisticated naming/versioning
policies. For example, Windows 95 was named Windows 95 because it was released
in 1995. Windows 98 was released three years later, and so on. Windows XP
brought a whole new "experience" to the user, therefore the name. I suggest that
the next Linux kernel releases be called Linux 03, Linux 04, Linux 04.5 (OSR1),
Linux 04.7B (OSR2 SP4 OEM), Linux 2005 and Linux VD (Valentine's Day edition).
Furthermore, remember how Microsoft named every upcoming version of Windows
after some Egyptian city? Cairo, Chicago and so on. I think that the development
kernels should be named after Spanish cities to celebrate Linux' Spanish
origins. Linux Milano or Linux Rome anyone?

* Multi-User Support. This has always been one of Microsoft's strong sides,
especially in the Windows 95/98 variants, where passwords were completely
unnecessary. Microsoft has made the right decision by not bothering the user
with a distinction between "normal" and "root" users too much -- practice has
shown that average users can be trusted to act responsibly and in full awareness
of the potential consequences of their actions. After all, if your operating
system doesn't trust you, why should you trust it? (To be fair, Linux is making
some progress here with the Lindows distribution, where users are always running as root.)

With Windows XP, Microsoft has again improved multi-user support. Not only
does Windows XP come with a larg

This seems like overkill. 80% of your time?

Perhaps you don't spend enough time coding cross-browser JS. I don't find it very difficult. Using templates like xbDOM makes things a breeze.

I use Firefox 0.8 as my browser, and surprisingly when I clicked on the link to the Netscape Beta Browser download link (on second page of wired article) Firefox crashed. Ahh the joys of beta software.

LI tags may indent horribly, but the declaration was on the UL, not the LI. Moving the UL to the left moves the entire containing box to the left. Further, according to Eric Meyer, Opera and IE use the exact same list indenting approach: they give the UL element a left margin. Given that, why would Microsoft's CSS author(s) change the CSS that worked perfectly well in their own browser?

Yes, it could be negligence or ignorance or a failure to fully test their code (and it wouldn't be a first for Microsoft ;-) ), but given their penchant for breaking things in the past to make their product look better, you'll forgive me if I still have sneaking suspicions.

In 2003, ESPN.com was redesigned to be web standards-compliant. It rendered perfectly on browsers other than IE. Now they've ditched clean code and returned to the stone age.

I remember a friend complaining that he was forced to rewrite his company's website in non-compliant MSHTML after Microsoft acquired a sizeable stake in his firm. The end result was a crappy, non-scaling site that would break browsers other than IE. Wonder if Microsoft had something to do with ESPN's downfall? [note how espn.com redirects to msn.espn.go.com].

Just in case it get /.ed go here

This isn't the first time this has happened. What do you expect from all the gross mispending of our tax money on shit like space elevators that hardly ever come to fruit? Sorry that this is somewhat a troll, but dammit, it really irks me.

I have no idea who could have thought that using executable scripts was a good idea. It was probably the same people who thought up those annoying frames and then used their massive 85% marketshare monopoly to force everyone else to comply. I hope someone will someday give them what they have coming.

I have no idea who could have thought that using executable scripts was a good idea. It was probably the same people who thought up those annoying frames and then used their massive 85% marketshare monopoly to force everyone else to comply. I hope someone will someday give them what they have coming.

How did you manage to completely remove Internet Explorer from Windows? There are millions and millions of IT professionals who would love to know what you can do that they haven't figured out.

Enjoy!

I SysAdmin a significantly sized heterogeneous network and to my dismay, I often have to set up new Windows machines and/or reinstall Windows machines.

As an aside, in sysadmin-land, the general rule is to reinstall a machine after someone leaves and/or every two-three years max. Any longer than that and the machine's OS & registry gets too clogged up with crap (among other things) that the machine goes so slow and a complete & clean reinstall is the only way to really regain that lost productivity.

Anyhow, the first 10 or so programs I install on these (primarily w2k) machines are as follows:

• Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 (if you don't install this from a cd before you put the machine on the network, you will get a virus).
• Windows Critical & OS Updates
• Netscape
• Adobe Acrobat Reader
• Sophos AV (served over the network via EMLibrary)
• Office 2002/XP including all service packs
• PuTTY
• WinSCP
• Winzip or PowerArchiver
• Shockwave (since I don't allow user admin rights on most clients)
• Google Toolbar (just a convenience)
• Real Player
• ABC Image Browser

How's that for a zigzag strategy? They used to have the inventor of IMAP, actively working on Mozilla Mail. No longer it seems? his bugzilla address isn't netscape.com or aol.net anymore.

What this country needs is someBODY

Go Jesse! Screw the Demmicans and the Republocrats!

Lt Col Tom Bearden (US Army, retired) has been predicting this since 1995.

It's fascinating to read Bearden's views. He claims that what we know as Maxwell's Equations are actually gross oversimplifications, made by Heaviside, of the real Maxwell's Equations -- and that a lot of amazing physics would be possible if we would go back and exploit all the possibilities in the real Maxwell's Equations. Heaviside's "arbitrary crippling" of Maxwell is basically the reason we haven't yet colonized Alpha Centauri.

There is a lot of overlap between Kohei Minato's research and Bearden's. Bearden made quite recent comments about Minato's motor.

By the way, Minato's invention is called the "MagMotor." Does anybody know whether this is related to the Magmotor Corp. of Massachusetts?

Which plug-in are you referring to? I thought this change had fixed up most extant issues here... what exactly are you having trouble with?

Various devs worked to make things WORK, not to break things.

-Z (speaking solely for myself, although I do work for MS on the WM team)

go through the effort for the very miniscule pay-off that comes from it.

The pay off is more than miniscule. Read the ESPN Redesign and see that they saved 50 KB per page and an estimated 730 Terabytes of bandwidth a year.

That is a HUGE cost savings. /. would likely have a similar cost savings due to the high traffic and the sheer number of nested tables on the site. I don't know how much ESPN's bandwidth and hosting costs are per GB, but they save on space and bandwidth. Estimating $5 per GB would put it at $365,000 per year in savings, but I bet it is even higher than that.

http://www.google.com/search?q=-filetype:pdf %s

Slightly OT, I suppose, but you can already achieve the getURL() functionality with both Mozilla and IE in plain HTML + JavaScript pages (I don't know about Opera or Konqueror, or any other non-Gecko based browsers). IE exposed an ActiveX object to its script engine called XmlHttpRequest in about version 5.0 or so, and the Mozilla crew have cloned its functionality.

Some marketroids have called this 'inner browsing'.

Check out Microsoft's documentation on the XmlHttpRequest object, or Mozilla's version of the same thing.

Also see this document entitled Using the XML HTTP Request object.

You can also use the DOM-standard createDocument method that takes a URI as an argument if you don't want to or can't use the Microsoft-inspired XmlHttpRequest but this approach only allows GETs and not POSTs, and it forces the return to be XML, whereas the poorly named XmlHttpRequest gives you access to the entire HTTP response so you can read the plain text if you want to.

Ian

How can something with the same kernel, and the same ancestry go the other way

Because Mozilla exists "to preserve choice and innovation on the Internet" and their browser isn't loaded with corporate crap.

How can something with the same kernel, and the same ancestry go the other way

Because Mozilla exists "to preserve choice and innovation on the Internet" and their browser isn't loaded with corporate crap.

... by switching to Gecko

if you're designing delivery systems for the US military, I think you've already lost the moral high ground.

The U.S. military has put a stop to this and this. If you're designing systems that make the U.S. military more effective, you're standing firmly on the moral high ground.

if you're designing delivery systems for the US military, I think you've already lost the moral high ground.

The U.S. military has put a stop to this and this. If you're designing systems that make the U.S. military more effective, you're standing firmly on the moral high ground.