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What to know why Rupert Murdoch is hosting fundraisers for Hillary Clinton?

Murdoch owns MySpace.

Hmmmmm....

Been happening since Clinton. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/5/11/10523 7.shtml?s=ic

Only thing new is that Bush is the President so it's somehow more objectionable to the leftist MSM

It is reasonable to be suspicious, but the US wouldn't have allowed Iran to do it in the open either. The whole charade in the UN about the lying is less important than the fact we consider Iran an ideological enemy anyway. Ahmadinejad's remarks about the Holocaust and stuff like that only illustrate that. Ahmadinejad only says what hundreds of millions of muslims seriously believe. Indignation isn't going to solve a serious education issue. Europe is in fact behaving very suspiciously from an external perspective when it comes to providing evidence for the Holocaust.

Yes, their development of the C4 vest and the IED are particularly impressive.

Not as impressive as the development of the Zulfiqar main battle tank or the Raad-2 self propelled artillery.

These items will make fine targets for US precision weapons as they did in Iraq.

Iraq had little to no anti aircraft weaponary, unlike Iran.

After about 2 weeks of bombing there would be no significant Iranian hardware on the Persion Gulf coast.

So you have figured out how to bomb mines then? Good work, I'd patent that and retire if I was you. Meantime, I'd take a look at one example of many. FTFA:

The Joint Chiefs of Staff has been warning about Iran's growing naval buildup in the Persian Gulf for over a decade, and in a draft presidential finding submitted to President Clinton in late February 1995, concluded that Iran already had the capability to close the Strait of Hormuz.

"I think it would be problematic for any navy to face a combination of mines, small boats, anti-ship cruise missiles, torpedoes, coastal artillery, and Silkworms," said retired Navy Commander Joseph Tenaglia, CEO of Tactical Defense Concepts, a maritime security company. "This is a credible threat."

Nonetheless there are interfering and should answer for it.

So the US isn't interfering with Iraq in any significant fashion...

Thoroughly working over its nuclear and military infrastructure is another matter.

It certainly is. That would be called "war".

Somehow I don't believe that the treatment of women in Iran is as rosey as you say

I didn't say they were treated rosily. However they are aware of the poor treatment and are protesting it loudly.

Seems to me the problem with the Iranian leadership is growing.

Judging from the rest of what you have to say about the situation, I'm not too concerned about how things seem to you.

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But instead of returning the much safer, politically incorrect, Freon-based foam for Discovery's launch, the space agency tinkered with the application process, changing "the way the foam was applied to reduce the size and number of air pockets," according to Newsday.

I understand your point. I can even logically follow along and agree with your arguement.

But somehow, the CEO still ends up with the new yacht, and the pensions go unfunded...

It's only a matter of time before the crap hits the fan over sending work abroad, mainly because of the security risks. Outsourcing (and outsourcing customer info) to India has resulted in a lucrative trade in Identity Theft: http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd34.htm/
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/22 /170121.shtml

And if the area of support is unstable due to war, disease, unrest, etc., you can bet your bottom dollar that productivity is going to be disrupted:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/478455 4.stm

*And* how long is it going to be before governments start raising taxes to discourage this kind of backstabbing, and encourage patriotism, by employers (i.e. taxed to a level equivalent of paying local workforces at minimum wages anyway):
http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,3604,110440 3,00.html

So, my advice is not to worry to much about the cheaper dollar payrate, and just go for it, follow your dreams! It'll all come to a head sooner rather than later, you'll see!

Where ever the bunny came from it seems it is still too religious for the public eye for a city named after a saint http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/23/12552 1.shtml?s=ic. I guess non-Christians are more important than Christians when it comes to being offended despite the majority/minority ratio being in favor of Christians.

Getting angry that Bush lied us into war, is squandering our treasury, is undermining our security, is leaving our enemies on the loose, is spying on us illegally doesn't change whether they're "high crimes and misdemeanors". All it does, apparently, is make you so defensive that you will ignore them, preferring to kill the messenger.

No it isn't ignoring them and killing the messenger. It is looking at it in reasonable terms. Any non bush basher can see that there might be reasonable explainations that fit into the it isn't "high crimes and misdemeanors".

First lets look into the "Bush lied us into war". Sure he might have but didn't the leading democrates say some of the exact same things in the years leading upto bush's term? (the answer is _yes_.) Ok but the information presented had since then been discounted, and Bush did admit that after the state of the union speach he recieved information that made some of the statments incorect. Then the press picked up on it. But, the inteligence in question was from foreign countries who had used the oil for food programs to profit form Iraq in wasy against the sanctions. but we didn't find any WMD's? Well, it apears syria and lebanon might be a place to look. Also the russians who gave the information about Iraw looking for yellowcake and later said it might not be creditible was supposedly selling the WMDs to iraq in the first place. but, That could just be government spin, And this Supposed Iraqi general is just trying to sell books.

Now, all this other evidence could be totaly false but as long as we don't address any of it and jump to the "bush lied-people died" we cannot discredit any other supporting stuff. This supporting stuff is just enough to make the vast majority of people second guess if Bush really lied.

Is squandering our treasury, again, this is somethign marginaly seen before and some if not most people find it a neccesary evil as long as we don't shortchange the troops in harms way. I think it goes back to Vietnam and how we basicaly under funded our way into increased dead soldiers.

is leaving our enemies on the loose, Well we know it took over five years to find Eric Rudolph who was in territoy we control. We also have some competing theories out that say we are laying off stromtrooper searches becuase surveilance is working better and prommising more leads. But who to know for sure what a highly secretive program is doing all the time.

is spying on us illegally, This one realy gets to me. First it has never been proven to be ilegal. It is against one law apearentyl but another law passed later seemed to give the authority to go around the previous law. It definatly doesn't seem to be what congress intended but if the authority is there then how would it be ilegal to use. I guess before we purposely forget the inocent untill proven guilty parts of the law we might want to get confirmation in the legality. It is also dificult to get this confirmation when we are yelling impeachment. But that doesn't touch the general public perception of this program. They think that the ilegal spying is only on people talking to terrorist from inside the united states. They don't know that Bush is really spying on _us_ too. It kind of goes aling with the "why should you worry if your not guilty but associating with guilty people" mentality. Because we all know "if you don't have anythign to hide". It just isn't seen as a problem by most because they aren't talking to terrorist and plotting kill inocent babies. But now that they know Buch is listening in on Aunt Sarah tell you her chocolate chip cookie recipe, things might be different!

As a matter of fact, this same spying stoped seceral terrorist plots that included target in both Europe and America. But the press didn't seem to pick up on this too much in America. Spai

From:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/1/14 /143258.shtml

Hughes CEO Michael Armstrong wrote President Clinton in 1993 threatening to pull support for Clinton if he did not allow the space technology transfers to China. In 1994, Clinton approved a waiver for Hughes to transfer advanced satellite encryption systems to China.

As I said, pony up a few bucks to any greedy US corporation and they can get the data much easier! Approved by the president or not, this was driven by corporate greed overiding any sense of national security.

Fiber Optics has been around for quite some time, after the DOT COM bust
it became relatively cheap . And the majority of fiber in the ground
is not even lit . It is known as dark fiber .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fiber

What would be best is for the ppl to do an end around the greed matrix .

Make a Internet Cooperative, some already exist now and are doing well .

http://www.coop.net/ and http://www.ncic.net/

As tax payers we paid $200 billion USD in taxes to the major telcos to deploy
fiber to every major US city, we were defrauded, the details are here :

http://www.newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm

If we want internet access like a regulated utility, but without the the government
screwing it up, our best option is a Coop .

A good example of this banking and insurance wise is USAA for military ppl .

When power was deregulated in california it just ended up a giant mess .

The FCC has been manipulated by companies like sprint that tried their best to
keep the GSM cellular system used by the rest of the world out of the US
so their proprietary version could maintain a monoply .

This is common knowledge among those that worked in Telecom, and there
are other examples of the corporations using strong arm tactics and
lobbyists to get what is best for their bottom lines .

When lobbyists and corporate greed mold the policy for our telecom
system nationwide it will not be in the best interest of the ppl at large,
just the largess of a corrupt few, like the piece of crap CEO from global crossing .

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/11 /184102.shtml

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/11 /161838.shtml

http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/showinside.pl?a=200 2/2/12/92546

Millions and billions of dollars just pissed away due to greed, corruption,
and poor management of resources . The status quo is not getting it done right .

Ex-MislTech

Fiber Optics has been around for quite some time, after the DOT COM bust
it became relatively cheap . And the majority of fiber in the ground
is not even lit . It is known as dark fiber .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fiber

What would be best is for the ppl to do an end around the greed matrix .

Make a Internet Cooperative, some already exist now and are doing well .

http://www.coop.net/ and http://www.ncic.net/

As tax payers we paid $200 billion USD in taxes to the major telcos to deploy
fiber to every major US city, we were defrauded, the details are here :

http://www.newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm

If we want internet access like a regulated utility, but without the the government
screwing it up, our best option is a Coop .

A good example of this banking and insurance wise is USAA for military ppl .

When power was deregulated in california it just ended up a giant mess .

The FCC has been manipulated by companies like sprint that tried their best to
keep the GSM cellular system used by the rest of the world out of the US
so their proprietary version could maintain a monoply .

This is common knowledge among those that worked in Telecom, and there
are other examples of the corporations using strong arm tactics and
lobbyists to get what is best for their bottom lines .

When lobbyists and corporate greed mold the policy for our telecom
system nationwide it will not be in the best interest of the ppl at large,
just the largess of a corrupt few, like the piece of crap CEO from global crossing .

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/11 /184102.shtml

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/11 /161838.shtml

http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/showinside.pl?a=200 2/2/12/92546

Millions and billions of dollars just pissed away due to greed, corruption,
and poor management of resources . The status quo is not getting it done right .

Ex-MislTech

Fiber Optics has been around for quite some time, after the DOT COM bust
it became relatively cheap . And the majority of fiber in the ground
is not even lit . It is known as dark fiber .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fiber

What would be best is for the ppl to do an end around the greed matrix .

Make a Internet Cooperative, some already exist now and are doing well .

http://www.coop.net/ and http://www.ncic.net/

As tax payers we paid $200 billion USD in taxes to the major telcos to deploy
fiber to every major US city, we were defrauded, the details are here :

http://www.newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm

If we want internet access like a regulated utility, but without the the government
screwing it up, our best option is a Coop .

A good example of this banking and insurance wise is USAA for military ppl .

When power was deregulated in california it just ended up a giant mess .

The FCC has been manipulated by companies like sprint that tried their best to
keep the GSM cellular system used by the rest of the world out of the US
so their proprietary version could maintain a monoply .

This is common knowledge among those that worked in Telecom, and there
are other examples of the corporations using strong arm tactics and
lobbyists to get what is best for their bottom lines .

When lobbyists and corporate greed mold the policy for our telecom
system nationwide it will not be in the best interest of the ppl at large,
just the largess of a corrupt few, like the piece of crap CEO from global crossing .

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/11 /184102.shtml

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/11 /161838.shtml

http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/showinside.pl?a=200 2/2/12/92546

Millions and billions of dollars just pissed away due to greed, corruption,
and poor management of resources . The status quo is not getting it done right .

Ex-MislTech

Nope. Just a much higher violent crime rate. Most people seem to think this is because of the lack of protection that a person in the UK definitely doesn't have, but a person in the US may or may not have. Additional links:

US DOJ
NewsMax
The Weekly Standard

Get off your "Britain is better" high horse, because it's completely wrong.

Pull your head out of the sand for a minute and consider it's the RIAA/MPAA crowd that donates heavily to the Democrats, not the GOP. Bet your thinking Hillary is right on top of this extremely stupid and racist anti-Dubia policy right? Take a look at where the money is coming from her joint checking account with Bill, http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/4/141014 .shtml?s=ic

No, if anything, letting the DoJ go play with RIAA or MPAA folks would be a good thing for the GOP. You, as the anti-Bush, anti-conservative type, should be out buying CDs and DVDs by your favorite ant-Bush artist by the arm full. Afterall, your hard earn money is going into their pockets so they can afford to donate for you to the Democrat cause.

Dammy

You're talking about John Kerry, right?

The fact that there are any Muslims -- no matter how statistically insignificant their numbers -- who consider these acts to be religious acts is in and of itself shocking. And therefore we as Muslims have to ask the question, 'How is it that our religious leadership has failed to reach these people with the true message of Islam?'' Because the acts of these criminals have indicted an entire religion in the hearts and minds of millions. Ultimately, this is a result of the bankruptcy of these type of people who claim to be adherents to the Islamic religion. These people are so bankrupt that all they have to offer is destruction.

It sounds noble and great but entirely misses the point. It's easy to condemn the bombers compared to the harder task of formally and persistently issuing fatwas against those who preach that hate and categorize themselves as true muslims. Attacking the preachers who conceive and spread the salafist memes used to justify these attacks is the heart of the Muslim duty to fight these extremists and he passes on a few opportunities to do it.

Second link:

Just a few days ago, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar, the highest and most respected Islamic authority in the world, who resides in Egypt, also made this clear. The Grand Imam said that the Koran specifically forbids the kinds of things the Taliban and al-Qaida are guilty of. He said the jihad Usama bin Laden has called for against America is invalid and not binding on Muslims. He said that "Islam rejects all of these acts." He called terrorism un-Islamic. In fact, he says, "Killing innocent civilians is a horrific, hideous act that no religion can approve."

The condemnation is again of the acts, not the underlying theology, a theology that is making great strides in the muslim world carried far and wide via petrodollar donations to build mosques and fund imams.

Third link:
This one is better but it's been three years since that conference discussed in the story and there seems little evidence that the imams have even made much of a dent in impressing on muslims the difference between commendable jihad and sinful irhab. You'd think all those moderate muslims might persuade Sheikh Hamad of Qatar, who funds and protects Al Jazeera to hold some religious instruction training for the news staff at Al Jazeera to impress upon them that they are promoting irhab on a regular basis. No go, apparently. Converting the commanding heights of muslim communication to a channel that properly uses irhab and jihad apparently not important enough to get done, maybe next year.

Fourth Link:
Now it's useful to condemn OBL

In the light of this evidence, the Taliban had no justification for continuing to protect bin Laden. Why protect him? Is he a saint or a prophet? He is a man who himself has admitted arranging car-bomb attacks on U.S. embassies. He is no saint."

But it misses the point that there was an infrastructure of teaching that produced OBL and the actions that he did. That, however, did not come in for the same condemnation. This is like pulling dandelion stems out but leaving the roots in. You know that you're not really attacking the problem, just today's symptom.

Fifth Link:
You're quoting a Hezbollah imam as part of the solution? You've got to be joking. Hezbollah is part of the problem as their pimping for Syria after the Hariri assassination amply demonstrates. When Hezbollah and Al Queda fri

The leading moral authority for Sunnis is the rector or Grand Imam of the al-Azhar Seminary/ University in Cairo, Egypt. Al-Azhar is perhaps the world's oldest continuous university and has been since the time of Saladin a major center of Sunni religious authority. The current incumbent is Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi. So what about Tantawi and Bin Laden?

Grand Imam of Al-Azhar seminary, Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, condemns Osamah Bin Laden. Here's another cached link from Washington Post reporting on the same condemnation.

What about Pakistan? Pakistani Cleric Tahir ul Qadri condemns Bin Laden.

Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi is a TV preacher, and pretty popular with a wide Arabic audience on Al-Jazeera. He absolutely despises Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaradawi has repeatedly condemned Al-Qaeda. He even gave a fatwa that it was a duty of Muslims to fight alongside the US in Afghanistan against al-Qaeda! Yusuf Qaradawi Condemns Al Qaeda.

Hamza Yusuf is a sheikh, what about the Shi'ites? Most fatwas of that sort are in arabic, but here's one reported: Ayatollah Muhammad Husain Fadlallah of Lebanon condemns Osama Bin Laden

Don't forget the West!> There are 250,000 Muslims in Spain: Spanish Muslim Clerical authorities Issue Fatwa against Osamah Bin Laden. Russia is 15% Muslim, with 20 Million Muslims. High Mufti of Russian Muslims calls for Extradition of Bin Laden. And they're not saying that to please Putin or anything.

If you're looking for someone to make a fatwa that says so-and-so is in Hell right now, you're not going to find that, as Muslims aren't allowed to judge people, only God can. They can say that murder and suicide are both hell-worthy sins, and they all said that. This isn't like Catholicism where you can just excommunicate people either. You can label Bin Laden a sinner (and believe me, there's quite a lot of people who did), but in Islam you can't say whether he's an atheist or not. That's just semantics, everyone knows Bin Laden is a wrongdoer, and have said so.

Propaganda isn't always lies. It was for the soviets, as they killed over 100 million political dissidents.. but was it all lies for the United States during WWII? Yes, there needs to be a 24/7 campaign the support America's positive influence and potential to improve the lives and relations of people around the world. There already is 24x7 propaganda for the Muslims to denouce america as the great satan, to which Lenin would attribute you as an "useful idiot".

"Global warming" isn't an extreme left position, blaming global warming on humans is extreme left.

Yeah, you know, extreme lefties like John McCain and evangelical Christians. I hate them pinkos.

Contrast this to the "bipartisan" Abramaoff bribery scandal, where no money was given to Democrats and Abramoff's clients decreased their giving to Democrats at Abramoff's direction.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/24/22513 2.shtml: Democratic senator Pat Leahy reseived thousands of dollars from Abramoff (Vermont Guardian)
http://www.americandaily.com/article/11563: Senate Minority Leader Reid received $60,000 from Indian tribes linked to Abramoff
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic le/2005/06/02/AR2005060202158.html : Lists Daschle, Reid, and Gephardt as amongst his biggest recipients.

You are correct in stating that none of these received money directly from Abramoff, but given that Abramoff is a known Republican activist, is it not surprising that he would direct his Democratic donations through the tribes? He's not going to get to be a Democratic insider, but if he's speaking on behalf of a number of organizations having donated tens of thousands of dollars to their cause, he'll get their ear. Finally, though I hadn't heard that he'd instructed people to reduce their Democratic giving, could it be because Democrats now have less power to make changes compared to the Clinton or early Bush administrations?

Amtrak requires ID when purchasing a ticket; your name is printed on the ticket. I've never heard of ID actually being rechecked once on the train, but apparently it happens.

Why pick on Google?

Cisco and Nortel Networks have been implicated in building the Great Firewall of China

How odd. It is almost as if they were being treated as if they were captured on the battlefield during wartime.

How odd, I didn't realize World War II was only 3 years ago. Or did you not realize that the entire thread was about what's going on right now in our country?

Just found this: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/20/1145 26.shtml

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/18/2214 52.shtml http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1553101/p osts

Well, from what I can find, Clinton NEVER authorized the export of any particular technology. He approved the launching of satellites by Loral on Chinese rockets.

Loral passed some "hints" as part of a joint examination of a failed missle launch.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/spec ial/missile/keystories.htm

Republicans believed that the Clinton administration was protecting Loral as part of an "intentional" technology transfer. But you will see from Newsmax.com (a conservative news portal) that the Bush Jr administration really didn't take the issue too seriously: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/3/ 210022.shtml


#

Avoiding Criminal Liability

# First, the U.S. attorney's office in Washington, which was handling the Loral investigation, had transferred the case out of the Justice Department and over to the State Department "for a civil settlement."

That means Loral is out from under any criminal charges or prosecution.

Instead, it faces a negotiated penalty - estimated in the range of $10 million, which is a token slap on the wrist in a business deal of this potential magnitude - and some technical revisions in the way it goes about handling its export-license applications.

# Second, as part of the settlement, which has been negotiated by Loral attorneys and the State Department for months, the door would be opened again for the company to resume shipping satellites and other sensitive missile technology to the Chinese communists.

That settlement is purported to be ready for announcement by mid-September.


The whole language is completely twisted here. It makes Clinton's approval of TRANSPORTING A SATELLITE TO CHINA FOR LAUNCH sound like Clinton was approving the transfer of documents relating to how to improve missle technology. This IS NOT TRUE.

The worst possible effect of this would be that the Chinese did yank that crypto board before launch and managed to snoop some US messages before the NSA changed the keys. As far as "missle technology", defense analysts typically stated that this was of no real effect as the Chinese already have enough nukes to destroy all major US cities. "Close" counts in nuclear warfare and it really doesn't matter much whether the Chinese can engage in a "tactical" nuclear strike since such a conflict is inherently unwinnable.

I object to all this from the standpoint that all this money for satellite launching was going oversees. The ONLY thing wrong with the NASA commercial satellite launches was that it was "competing" with a potential US competitor. But no US competitor EVER emerged, only the Chinese government. So if you want to blame someone, blame the Reagan administration who started the policy of launching US communication satellites in China.

Clinton pardoned a known convicted criminal because said criminals ex-wife
delivered a huge campaign contribution . His name is Marc Rich .

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/02/14/par don.hearing.02/index.html

Clinton recv'd $400,000 from communist china as campaign contributions, and
he then pushed thru the sale of ballistic missile technology from Loral to china
to give them hyper accurate ICBM's .

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/9/29 /25139.shtml

Clinton backer Lasater convicted in court of cocaine distribution pardoned
by bill clinton .

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/7/ 01143.shtml

Now, I don't know about you, but if I were sent to jail for cocaine
I'd probably still be there .

This is just 3 instances of where I think clinton was guilty of serious crimes .

The deal with China he borders on treason .

Ex-MislTech

Clinton pardoned a known convicted criminal because said criminals ex-wife
delivered a huge campaign contribution . His name is Marc Rich .

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/02/14/par don.hearing.02/index.html

Clinton recv'd $400,000 from communist china as campaign contributions, and
he then pushed thru the sale of ballistic missile technology from Loral to china
to give them hyper accurate ICBM's .

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/9/29 /25139.shtml

Clinton backer Lasater convicted in court of cocaine distribution pardoned
by bill clinton .

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/7/ 01143.shtml

Now, I don't know about you, but if I were sent to jail for cocaine
I'd probably still be there .

This is just 3 instances of where I think clinton was guilty of serious crimes .

The deal with China he borders on treason .

Ex-MislTech

The well-annotated Media Matters report clearly points out that the foam that damaged Columbia was applied/created using freon.

Clearly, Media Matters or NewsMax is lying here (or totally miss informed). According NewsMax (admittedly right-wing biased) in this report I quote. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/7/28/93055 .shtml

"In a 1997 report, NASA mechanical systems engineer Greg Katnik "noted that the 1997 mission, STS-87, was the first to use a new method of 'foaming' the tanks, one designed to address NASA's goal of using environmentally friendly products. The shift came as the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency was ordering many industries to phase out the use of Freon, an aerosol propellant linked to ozone depletion and global warming," the Inquirer said

I serously doubt that NASA just happend to use freon when foaming the tank for STS-107 and not one mission before and after.

The OP has anything to do with this :

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/12/1 8/224826.shtml

U.S. Police and Intelligence Hit by Spy Network

        Charles R. Smith
        Wednesday, Dec. 19, 2001

Spies Tap Police and Government Phones

In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack, the FBI has stumbled on the largest espionage ring ever discovered inside the United States. The U.S. Justice Department is now holding nearly 100 Israeli citizens with direct ties to foreign military, criminal and intelligence services.

The spy ring reportedly includes employees of two Israeli-owned companies that currently perform almost all the official wiretaps for U.S. local, state and federal law enforcement.

The U.S. law enforcement wiretaps, authorized by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), appear to have been breached by organized crime units working inside Israel and the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad.

Both Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller were warned on Oct. 18 in a hand-delivered letter from local, state and federal law enforcement officials. The warning stated, "Law enforcement's current electronic surveillance capabilities are less effective today than they were at the time CALEA was enacted."

What is interesting to note is that many Koreans support what "Dr." Woo Suk Hwang did and claim that he did nothing wrong. The Korean government, in an investigation of the matter, concluded that Hwang acted ethically.

As I have said repeatedly, the Chinese and Korean notion of right and wrong is vastly different from the standard of right and wrong in the West: USA, Canada, Japan, etc. Mark my words. A Chinese or Korean scientist will develop and rear the first human-animal hybrid creature. Already, the Chinese created a human-rabbit-hybrid embryo but destroyed it after a few days.

I wish them the best of luck. They'll need it! They haven't done too well in the past

You may be right. Serves me right for depending on Internet news:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/21 /205139.shtml
http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel051403.as p

Council of American-Islamic Relations condemns 9/11 in national full-page newspaper ad the next day.

Ayatollah Muhammad Husain Fadlallah of Lebanon condemns Osama Bin Laden.

Grand Imam of Al-Azhar seminary, Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, condemns Osamah Bin Laden (Plus official text)

Prominent Pakistani Cleric Tahir ul Qadri condemns Bin Laden.

Television preacher Yusuf Al-Qaradawi condemns Al Qaeda

Spanish Muslim Clerical authorities Issue Fatwa against Osamah Bin Laden. There are on the order of 250,000 Muslims in Spain.

High Mufti of Russian Muslims calls for Extradition of Bin Laden. Russian Muslims are 15% of the population there, so this is not a pro forma thing.

List of Muslim condemnations of Terrorist attacks. Also Scholars of Islam and the tragedy of 9/11 attacks

Expressions of grief and sympathy in the Arab world after 9/11. (Includes candlelight vigils in Tehran, anti-terrorism protests in Bangladesh)

Iraqi blogger Riverbend recalls the sympathy she felt on 9/11

You didn't hear any protests because it simply wasn't covered in American news. International news did pick up on these events. How about the people in Arab countries who donated blood after 9/11 because Qaradawi suggested it? What about the flower bouquets people sent in sympathy to the American embassy in Kuwait, so many that they ringed the fence?

You have been around sub jockeys. They're the only ones to spout that little bit of idiocy.

In a real open ocean fight...

Mostly irrelevant. Would you have the infantry train only during the day? One of the hard lessons the navy has learned over the years is the "blue water" fight is only part of what they need to prepare for. Most naval combat has occurred and will continue to occur in relatively shallow water, where active sonar is definitely a card you'd like to be able to play if necessary. The US navy is busy now training to fight in the Taiwan straight, the most likely place for the next big slug-fest. Lots of shallow water there...

In a real fight, the surface units would be assisted by subsurface assets. Hopefully there would also be some aviation assets to help prosecute whatever problem might emerge. But the real solution will be subsurface units doing what they do best.

You never depend on the availability of another platform. With the Europeans selling AIP technology all over the world US nuclear submarines will probably be at a disadvantage in coastal water for the first time in half a century. If I'm a destroyer captain I'll make sure I can operate without one.

My point here is that active SONAR from surface units is usually a liability, and reducing the noise signature is a good thing.

That word "usually" covers a big hole in your argument. You'd like to depend on passive sonar if you can. You can't always do that. If it were so useless this discussion wouldn't be taking place, as the navy wouldn't have active sonar.

Some of you need to quit waving the flag and consider the question. Just because the Navy (or any) DoD component wants to play w/their toys doesn't make it good and useful. Be sure to catch my next lecture regarding torpedos from surface ships.

Waving the flag? Now you're just spouting nonsense. Those "toys", as you call them, keep our sailors alive. I, for one, will oppose any law that keeps the US navy from being able to train effectively.

Doctors are human. They will always make mistakes. If you want to improve a system, look at what the wealthy people do. Do they go to one doctor? No. They have teams of physicians and they go to the very best doctors. Of course, the best doctors are a scarce resource, there would never be enough of them. What if you went to a team of doctors (three or four) instead of depending on just one? It would be especially beneficial in specialities like cardiology, neurology, vascular, ... A team would be less likely to make a mistake than a single individual in the general case (assuming average doctors rather than great ones).

Dick Cheney has a team of physicians who look over his health.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/05/cheney.d octor/
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/5/ 205935.shtml

So does president Bush.

So do many celebrities.

The question of course is whether it would be more cost effective. Kind of like the original postal system where you paid on receipt. It became ridiculously expensive to send mail through the original postal system in England because people would place hide a message in the address field of the letter and the receiver of the letter would glance at the address, read the message, and hand the letter back to the postman refusing receipt (and payment). It go to the point where only the rich could afford to use the mail service legitimately. Then someone came a long with a pre-pay postage system and sending mail became cheap enough for the common person to legitimately use the mail service. They charged 1/1000 of the cost of the original system but were able to get the new system to cover its costs in less than two years. A decade later, the system was moving 100 times the amount of mail the original system did. Health care needs such a transformation, what that is remains to be seen. A team approach to medicine might be a piece of the puzzle.

The UN also wants to be the sole armed body on the planet. Do you trust them to carry that burden responsibly? Do you really trust them to not use their control of the internet to further this end?

• Do you consider the New York Times credible?
• Newsmax discusses the New York Times article
• Another article
• An announcement on the NRA's website
• There's even a video with neo-con Bill O'Reilly praising cops that steal weapons from some elderly people.
• This one discusses the fact that the cops are busting into private residences in LA without warrants

There is more available, but the mainstream media has been giving little coverage to this important part of the story.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News /2004/05/28/476115.html

and

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/10/3 1/131716.shtml

Saw an article some months ago in Popular Science about cars may eventually be made of this stuff so that when they get in a fender bender the "dent" in the car pops back out saving insurance companies millions of dollars currently going towards minor repairs. Also found an old article from 2001 here and here on the same subject.

Check again. Budget for NASA went down under Clinton and has gone up since Bush was in office. It also went up during the previous Bush administration.
From here
1993 $14.309 billion, existing NASA budget when Clinton took office;
1994 $14.568 billion, $259 million increase, first Clinton budget;
1995 $13.853 billion, $715 million decrease;
1996 $13.885 billion, $32 million increase;
1997 $13.709 billion, $176 million decrease;
1998 $13.648 billion, $61 million decrease;
1999 $13.654 billion, $6 million increase;
2000 $13.601 billion, $53 million decrease;
2001 $14.253 billion, $652 million increase;
2002 $14.892 billion, $639 million increase, first Bush budget;
2003 $15.000 billion, $108 million increase (estimated);
2004 $15.469 billion, $469 million increase (proposed);
2005 $16.2 billion, $731 million increase (from here
(Sorry, but it's true) Sorry but it really isn't.

The 2006 proposal is for 16.465 billion, $265 million increase

Have you tried CNN.COM or The Palm Beach Post or Newsmax or The Washington Post or how about USA Today.

In case you think any of those are too Bush friendly try out the New York Times.

Outside of media sources there is also the Wiki entry.

As for the panhandle disenfranchisement try:

Newsmax again.

Or the US Senate investigation.

As for the disenfranchisement of voters through poorly created criminal lists try:

Common Dreams (reprinting a Palm Beach Post article)

John Lott (you can read the whole thing but his conclusion sections should do)

Essentially the criminal lists did little to affect the vote, and most calls of African American disenfranchisement (the Democrats backbone support) were actually due to a disproportionally high vote rejection rate in 'Black districts', not the lists. But as several reviews have shown, these were do to voter error in marking their ballots, not any particular attempt to actively disenfranchise them. And before you try to make a case that they used different style ballots in 'Black Districts' (which was the case in some areas) remember, those districts, being predominately Democrat, were run by Democratic election boards who designed those ballots.

There was a good site that summarizes all the various debates, but I can't seem to find it right now. If I do I'll reply with a link. As for the Supremes roll in all this, it's pretty much a a moot point but if you want to dig further at least 7 justices saw some problem with the way the Florida Supreme Court had ordered the count to go forward, and at least 3 saw the December 12th deadline as an important part of their decision. They vast majority had issues with the lower courts rulings but each of the SCJs had a different idea as to what the solution should be.

Have you tried CNN.COM or The Palm Beach Post or Newsmax or The Washington Post or how about USA Today.

In case you think any of those are too Bush friendly try out the New York Times.

Outside of media sources there is also the Wiki entry.

As for the panhandle disenfranchisement try:

Newsmax again.

Or the US Senate investigation.

As for the disenfranchisement of voters through poorly created criminal lists try:

Common Dreams (reprinting a Palm Beach Post article)

John Lott (you can read the whole thing but his conclusion sections should do)

Essentially the criminal lists did little to affect the vote, and most calls of African American disenfranchisement (the Democrats backbone support) were actually due to a disproportionally high vote rejection rate in 'Black districts', not the lists. But as several reviews have shown, these were do to voter error in marking their ballots, not any particular attempt to actively disenfranchise them. And before you try to make a case that they used different style ballots in 'Black Districts' (which was the case in some areas) remember, those districts, being predominately Democrat, were run by Democratic election boards who designed those ballots.

There was a good site that summarizes all the various debates, but I can't seem to find it right now. If I do I'll reply with a link. As for the Supremes roll in all this, it's pretty much a a moot point but if you want to dig further at least 7 justices saw some problem with the way the Florida Supreme Court had ordered the count to go forward, and at least 3 saw the December 12th deadline as an important part of their decision. They vast majority had issues with the lower courts rulings but each of the SCJs had a different idea as to what the solution should be.

First of all, the title of the article is "The Invasion Of The Chinese".

Secondly, take a look at this: "They would commandeer a hidden section of a hard drive, zip up as many files as possible and immediately transmit the data to way stations in South Korea, Hong Kong or Taiwan before sending them to mainland China."

How would anyone know where stations in these areas would transmit their data? Considering that these "stations" belong to hackers of the highest caliber, it's impossible. Unless one is speculating of course.

Such articles are not hard to find in todays' US media, even in serious ones such as Time. For example, this particular article has popped in Newsmax.com as well. (BTW, anyone willing to read more anti-China drivel should stick to Newsmax.com -- their supply is unlimited)

Sorry Alric, but the only thing I can get from this Time article (and only considering its a Time article) is that some influential people in the US are very very afraid of China.

"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."
George Washington, Treaty of Tripoli

Shame that is from Barlow's fraudulent translation. None of the existing copies of that treaty show that at all. See http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/5/9/ 212811.shtml

BTW, it wasn't George Washington, but John Adams who signed that treaty.

Dammy
And no, I'm no a Christian, I am a Pagan.

From the wierd but true files:

The cali cartel wanted to use submarines, and actually bought one Colombian Cartels Hum with High Tech (Newsmax).

No but they have equally bad or worse things.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/jan/03011005.html

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/1/9/ 202829.shtml

I won't post the entire long article but I trust you'll read it.

There would be a lot less debris if NASA didn't try to make a "green" shuttle. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/7/28/93055 .shtml This is a great example of putting the cart before the horse. Idiots.