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And you thought Manadrake 9,2 was bad...!

Considering that SuSE is the single largest employer of KDE developers (with Trolltech itself coming in second, IIRC), I doubt it would go over "pretty well".

Some of KDE's top developers are at SuSE and consider SuSE to have a KDE friendly and oriented corporate culture.

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Evan

I am Eugenia and all I use Linux for is to install Linux, you insensitive clod!

To all Apple Zealots

D0 N0T BUY PANTHER T0NIGHT! IT CAN FRY YOUR CD R0M DRIVE!

Read a similar article at OSNews today: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=4898

Mac OS X 10.3 is not a 64-bit operating system. This is particularly frustrating because Apple's marketing machine has very carefully crafted their message to make a reasonable person believe the operating system is 64-bit, especially if you download and read Power Mac G5 Tech Overview (PDF). Apple says about the G5 version of Mac OS X that it runs all of your software -- and runs it faster -- with a version of Mac OS X Jaguar specially tuned for the PowerPC G5 processor, providing a seamless transition to 64-bit power. That's only the beginning of the smoke and mirrors. The 64-bit power only gives users two things: the operating system can address up to 8GB of RAM, though user programs are still limited to 4GB, and some of the G5 numerical hardware is available with a special version of GCC (3.3).

Is a hoard of Debian Zealots trying to convince you to switch. I'm here to pre-empt them.

First of all, Debian has the most out of date software packages of any major mainstream distros. Even in the unstable version, is KDE 2.2 and Gnome 2.0, Apache 1.3, with Xfree86 4.1 (A version that really sucks).

Secondly, its a pain in the goatse to set up, first of all, you are forced to use Kernel 2.2, which is horribly hacked with "backports" to get any use on any modern machine (Read, made after 1999). Good luck memorizing all the *.ko files in /lib/modules, as you are going to need it.

Configuring XFree86 is hell! If you don't have a Thick X11 orilley book, and a list of your horizontal sync values from your monitor's intruction manual (if you even have one), BOOM! There goes your monitor.

Even then, good luck getting anything over 640x480@16 colours.

The most common response to help questions on the Debian mailing list is "n00b, READ THE FUCKING MANUAL, you idiot, go back to WINDOWS XP if you can't learn to use dselect", true too, search the archives if you think I'm lying. Other distros give you comprehensive PRINTED MANUALS, PHONE SUPPPORT and/or freindly forums where repling RTFM gets you banned!

Debians support for any decent hardware, including USB mice, scanners, Sound cards, heck even Serial devices struggle. If you can even get 80x25 text mode with PS/2 input devices you are really lucky.

Apt-get has many flaws. First of all it uses a non standard package format (the rest of the world uses RPM, deprecate the DEB format!), has broken respetories, and out of date software to install.

And if you think I'm joking about this, find out why THOUSANDS of Debian users are switching to REAL distributions Debian is falling to pieces, if it is to survive any market share it will be through its superior forks (Xandros, Lindows, K/G-noppix) and unoffical package respetories.

Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, and I'm happily using distros such as Mandrake, SuSE, Gentoo and Fedora. But I'm sick to death of zealots that push obsolete Distros on me EVERY FREAKING TIME A DISTRO is reviewed. I'm speaking from real world experiance here, My Old packard bell monitor caught fire because of Debian!.

P.S (This is not a troll, its insightful flamebait!)

Is a hoard of Debian Zealots trying to convince you to switch. I'm here to pre-empt them.

First of all, Debian has the most out of date software packages of any major mainstream distros. Even in the unstable version, is KDE 2.2 and Gnome 2.0, with Xfree86 4.1 (A version that really sucks).

Secondly, its a pain in the goatse to set up, first of all, you are forced to use Kernel 2.2, which is horribly hacked with "backports" to get any use on any modern machine (Read, made after 1999). Good luck memorizing all the *.ko files in /lib/modules, as you are going to need it.

Configuring XFree86 is hell! If you don't have a Thick X11 orilley book, and a list of your horizontal sync values from your monitor's intruction manual (if you even have one), BOOM! There goes your monitor.

Even then, good luck getting anything over 640x480@16 colours.

The most common response to help questions on the Debian mailing list is "n00b, READ THE FUCKING MANUAL, you idiot, go back to WINDOWS XP if you can't learn to use dselect", true too, search the archives if you think I'm lying. Other distros give you comprehensive PRINTED MANUALS, PHONE SUPPPORT and/or freindly forums where repling RTFM gets you banned!

Debians support for any decent hardware, including USB mice, scanners, Sound cards, heck even Serial devices struggle. If you can even get 80x25 text mode with PS/2 input devices you are really lucky.

Apt-get has many flaws. First of all it uses a non standard package format (the rest of the world uses RPM, deprecate the DEB format!), has broken respetories, and out of date software to install.

And if you think I'm joking about this, find out why THOUSANDS of Debian users are switching to REAL distributions. Debian is falling to pieces, if it is to survive any market share it will be through its superior forks (Xandros, Lindows, K/G-noppix) and unoffical package respetories.

Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, and I'm happily using distros such as Mandrake, SuSE, Gentoo and Fedora. But I'm sick to death of zealots that push obsolete Distros on me EVERY FREAKING TIME A DISTRO is reviewed. I'm speaking from real world experiance here, My Old packard bell monitor caught fire because of Debian!

(p.s. I call shenanigans on this review's author! Take a look at that collar in her profile! Can you say Apple shill? ;^) )

Yay for your fundamentalism. However, Eugenia wants it to still allow http://img.osnews.com/img/3131/osx.png and I agree with her.

My dock clone of choice on Windows allows me to keep apps under it (action screenshot). There is no reason for the real Dock to be inferior.:P

Actually I'd never have called it "dying" (it seemed to be going at a remarkable pace for a, basically, one-man project), but Hardin says he's decided to accelerate it further by basing the installer on Debian Sarge's instead of rolling his own.

Not connected in any way, but emulating NeXT/OS X goodness rather than Windows seems like a damn nice idea.

If you are a troll, then no doubt you love to criticise linux and Macs everytime. You know what to do, Macs are expensive, Linux is ugly and Emacs is useless on 99.999% of computers because of the Lack of a meta key.

If you are a trooll, then please visit OS new more often, it is a breeding ground for trolling! She is a troll herself, infact she is more infamous than $$$$$exygal.

Most of her comments end up as Linux bashing, Mac zealotry..

Recently she implemented a "report abuse" mechanism that dosen't work, it give the victims a false sense of control. Even the most blatent flamebait is marked as "Already Reviewed" The only time it works if when you criticise her "Today" window decoration, which is undiputably the worst window decoration for the worst Window manager (metacity). The new Kwin3 from KDE cvs is so much better its not even funny!

So Get on the post comment section, and start trolling. Let them know power of the gothic slashtrolls!

What is up with her gnome desktop?. What kind of sick designer made that window border. Gnome needs to employ some REAL designers to design some decent themes and the file dialog too!

Read this, and see how good KDE looks with the new Crystal SVG theme thats coming out for KDE 3.2! Along with Keramik, its eyecandy without the fisher price look!

Mod me flamebait gnome zealots, but it dosen't change the *FACT* that KDE is the DE-FACTO Linux GUI!

If your definition of 64-bit is a 32-bit operating system around a 64-bit chip, then the G5 is a 64-bit platform. Mac OS X 10.2.7 (and the upcoming 10.3) is not a 64-bit operating system. This is particularly frustrating because Apple's marketing machine has very carefully crafted their message to make a reasonable person believe the operating system is 64-bit, especially if you download and read Power Mac G5 Tech Overview (PDF). Apple says about the G5 version of Mac OS X that it runs all of your software -- and runs it faster -- with a version of Mac OS X Jaguar specially tuned for the PowerPC G5 processor, providing a seamless transition to 64-bit power. That's only the beginning of the smoke and mirrors. The 64-bit power only gives users two things: the operating system can address up to 8GB of RAM, though user programs are still limited to 4GB, and some of the G5 numerical hardware is available with a special version of GCC (3.3). That is very far from what I thought. In fact, we returned the G5 we got last week for a full refund (didn't have to pay the 10% open box fee either), after about 2 hours on the phone. Buyer beware.

Trolls, here is some inspiration for future BSD trolls

P.S, I deleted my freebsd partition last night and installed Linux back on it!

And when exactly is Longhorn going to ship?

I've heard 2004. I've heard 2005.

• Ship with upto date software in the stable version!
• Stop using the Propeitery .deb package format and switch to rpm, the INDUSTRY STANDRARD AND IS REQUIRED FOR LSB COMPLIANCE!
• GUI installer, wtih NO POLITCAL TAUNTS IN THE README
• BAN ALL RTFM REPLYING USERS FROM THE HELP FORUMS!

From the OSnews article:

The whole runlevels concept is confusing and cumbersome, even for most (not all, but most) sysadmins.

Could someone, preferrably someone who is a sysadmin, and preferrably someone who is confused, and most preferrably someone who is both a sysadmin and confused, please explain why this is confusing, to one of those "not all" sysadmins who is not confused by runlevels at all?

Note also that it appears that he is not designing something just for desktops

In addition, in the OSnews article on SystemServices, Seth says

1) The init system has small concessions to being a services framework rather than just a "boot-up-tool", but it really only provides the ability to start/stop/restart services. We need a system that is both more featureful and and more robust, esp. for desktop integration, but its nice all around. For an example of robustness, if a service can't start (or if it crashes at some point!)... the interface needs to get an "exception" with an error code and a message. For an example of a feature: we need integration with xinetd so you can flip a checkbox to switch a service between "run on demand" (xinetd) or "run always" (daemon).

which addresses an issue that might also apply to non-desktop systems, i.e. starting/stopping/restarting services after system startup. (Note that the System V rc scheme, Mac OS X scheme, and rc.d/rcNG scheme have a similar notion, i.e. in those schemes you have scripts to start/stop/restart services, and one time that they happen to be run is at startup time, from init, but they can also be run once the system has started.)

SystemServices: Hardly wheel re-invention. If you read the linked-to article you'll find that none of the listed "init replacements" address any of my four major goals. They addressed their own goals, which are nice ones I'm sure, but not things that the desktop needs. In fact, the only thing they really add over init that's interesting to me is a dependency system + parallelization. And RH's internal work on init scripts has suggested this results in only small improvements (neighborhood of 30% I believe) in boot time... which is better but not dramatic. Dependency systems are pretty trivial to implement and a dime a dozen, in any case.

DBus: yeah, its a lot like CORBA. Its even more like KDE's DCOP. In fact, its a lot like DCOP. You could even think of it as a major iteration of DCOP. So look, GNOME has been using CORBA for IPC for several years and its still something people avoid using whenever possible. KDE used CORBA for a while, and even with the comparatively nice CORBA/C++ bindings found KDE devs avoided it when possible. CORBA is a freaking PITA to use for lightweight desktop-style stuff. DCOP was the solution (its a good solution, GNOME should have done this ages ago): make it easy enough to use that developers will actually readily communicate over DCOP. Communication protocols have no inherent value on their own. They acquire value when there's things to talk to. Developers won't use the API unless its simple. You can write very simple comm layers for KDE and GNOME around DBUS. Even if we GNOME folk wanted to use CORBA (we don't), KDE wouldn't, and a requirement for DBus being truly useful is that KDE+GNOME have to be willing to use it. End of story.

HAL: I'm not really familiar with discover, so I'm not going to shoot my mouth off (much *grin*). From ransacking the web page you linked to, it doesn't look like discover really supports the sort of "central daemon with notification signals" model that we need to provide good hardware support on the desktop side. Without that... its sort of useless to us. It looks a lot like Kudzu, which is a good thing (and trust me, Havoc who proposed HAL in the first place knows about Kudzu, and probably discover) but it simply isn't what those of us who are in the ditches writing this desktop code need.

Moral of the story: a superficially similar "solution" does not necessarily address the issues that we as desktop developers face. We propose these things because we have concrete problems to solve. Sometimes the problems are not obvious until you try to do something and end up butting into them. We're lazy people, just like anyone, and we don't like :-)

Handwriting recognition and speech recognition are not usually used on ordinary linux desktops. Besides gnome 2.4 supports it if you need it.

I'm not going to go through the flamewars again (theres OS-fud for that). But remember that youre compairing apples to oranges here. It is possible to squeeze kde or gnome onto a pda, but it wouldn't work well. Thats why we have Qtopia, Opie and other specialised subsets of those desktops.

Linux is ready, as its always been. If your problem is with configuation then you are probably using a crappy distro, as I don't recall having to edit any text files or compile kernels recently on my distro. as It all "just works", contrary to what Eugina and her fellow trolls claims on OSfud.

Here. Nothing beats an eye candy screenshot full of pr0n spam.

OS-news has a disappointing article about AMD64. In for example Gentoo most packages won't be marked as supporting 64 bits until proven otherwise, and until tested things will remain beta.

I think that your hope here is beta distributions that lets you test everything and iron out bugs rather than hoping for a tested distro containing nothing. Then at least there's hope that things are tried and tested, this is what betas are for.

Nforce3 and IDE drivers is a different matter since you cannot gain anything on a 64-bit platform if everything else is in 'just working' condition. If these are fixed then everything else can come out of beta in due time.

direc t link

Somebody on osnews reported he was having problems installing BeOS 3.0 on his computer. Read the story on OsNews

Actually, it seems you're correct, that MacOS X 10.2.7, and forthcoming 10.3 will not support >32 bit virtual address space, though it seems the kernel can address >4GB of RAM. Applications using some special hack mentioned in the Register article can address >4GB of RAM for a single process, though it seems they have to do some special trickery. During the WWDC demo, for example, the CEO of Wolfram Research indicated that Mathematica was using 6GB of RAM on the G5. So, it seems that yes, it is possible for a single process to address > 4GB RAM, and yes, it is a dirty hack. Not quite as dirty of a hack as PAE, however, that limits the amount of RAM to allocate to a single process to 4 GB (or actually 2 GB of contiguous memory). This is not a limitation in the G5's hardware, however, and future versions of the MacOS, or Linux64 will be able to address >4 GB natively. More info here:
OS News Discussion, check the comments too.
Apple /. discussion with some info on the subject.
LinuxPPC64 run by IBM

Remember, it will be a while before hardware is supported properly on it. Somebody on OSnews.com has reported problems installing linux on his Opteron (Server version of A64) machine.

The Java desktop is not written in Java and has almost nothing to do with java. It is Gnome. It will run on Windows when Gnome does. The Java name is just marketing. It has nothing to do with the underlying technology. The more accurate name for the "Java Desktop" is "Sun Linux". More information

I don't know what a "gnome-distro" is, but accodring to this article :

The distribution is based on SuSE 8.2 and not on Red Hat Linux as it was originally said about a year ago. Yast2 and other SuSE/administrative utilities are only accessible via the command line and not from the graphical menu system. The desktop is based on Gnome 2.2, though Sun's engineers have tweaked it quite a bit.

In this glowing review Chris Gulker calls Sun's Java Desktop System 'the most polished and real-world user-ready Linux desktop in existence.

From this article :
The "proper" name of Sun Linux is "Java Desktop System" (which can be confusing as Sun is branding everything as "%java%" lately, exactly the same way Microsoft did with their ".NET"). The development/high-end version of Java Desktop System (JDS) is called "Java Enterprise System". The distribution is based on SuSE 8.2 and not on Red Hat Linux as it was originally said about a year ago.
According to that article Java Desktop System is a Linux distribution, not just a desktop.

Please boycott sun, redhat, novell, ximian and all other commerial companies working on the gnome project. KDE is evil to, since they are partially owned by the SCaOnopy gloup!

Please switch to fluxbox and use fox-toolkit based apps instead.

Here is the story on OSNEWS>

OSNews has a preview of Sun Linux and the info about the 3D desktop.

• MIT's RAW project
  
• Berkeley's Garp architecture
  
• CMU's PipeWrench

Don't get inspiration for updating your site by looking at games.slashdot.org, osnews and Goatse.cx!

dear reader the gnome armageddon has started,

first of all i want to clarify that this text was meant to be a source of information otherwise i wouldn't have spent so much time into writing it. belive me it took me a couple of days writing this text in a foreign language. even if you don't care at all for gnome, you may find some interesting information within this text that you like to read. please try to understand my points even if it's hard sometimes, otherwise you wake up one day and feel the need to switch to a different operating system.

on the following lines i'm trying to give you a little insight of the gnome community. the things that are going on in the back, the information that could be worth talking and thinking about.

many of us like the gnome desktop and some of us were following it since the beginning. gnome is a promising project because it's mostly written in C, easy to use, configurable and therefore fits perfectly into the philosophy of u*nix. only to name some of its advantages.

unfortunately these advantages changed with the recently new released version of gnome. the core development team somehow got the idea of targeting gnome to a complete different direction of users. the so called corporate desktop user. in other words they're targeting people that aren't familiar or experienced with desktop environments. usually business oriented people who are willing to pay money for getting gnome on their computers.

having this new target in mind, the core development team mostly under contract by companies like redhat, ximian and sun decided to simplify the desktop as much as even possible by removing all its flexibility in favor of an easy clean simple interface to not confuse their new possible customers. so far the idea of a clean easy to use desktop is honourable.

some of the new ideas, features and implementations such as gconf, an evil windows registry like system, new ordering of buttons and dialogs, the removal of 90%-95% of all visible preferences from the control center and applications, the new direction that gnome leads and the attitude of the core development team made a lot of users really unhappy. these are only a couple of examples and the list can easily be expanded but for now this is enough. now let me try to get deeper into these aspects.

you may imagine that users got really frustrated because their beloved gnome desktop matured into something they didn't want. during the time, the frustration of a not less amount of people increased. more, more and more emails arrived on the gnome mailinglists where users tried to explain their concerns, frustrations and the leading target of GNOME.

but the core development team of gnome don't give a damn about what their users are thinking or wanting and most of the time they come up with their standard purl. the reply they give is mostly the same. users should either go and 'file a bug' at bugzilla or the user mails are being turned so far that at the end they sound like being trolls or the user feedback is simply not wanted. whatever happens the answers aren't really satisfying for the user. even constructive feedback isn't appreciated.

if you gonna think about this for a minute then things gonna harden that they are directing into the commercial area. the core development team actually don't care fo

dear reader the gnome armageddon has started,

first of all i want to clarify that this text was meant to be a source of information otherwise i wouldn't have spent so much time into writing it. belive me it took me a couple of days writing this text in a foreign language. even if you don't care at all for gnome, you may find some interesting information within this text that you like to read. please try to understand my points even if it's hard sometimes, otherwise you wake up one day and feel the need to switch to a different operating system.

on the following lines i'm trying to give you a little insight of the gnome [gnome.org] community. the things that are going on in the back, the information that could be worth talking and thinking about.

many of us like the gnome desktop and some of us were following it since the beginning. gnome is a promising project because it's mostly written in C, easy to use, configurable and therefore fits perfectly into the philosophy of u*nix. only to name some of its advantages.

unfortunately these advantages changed with the recently new released version of gnome. the core development team somehow got the idea of targeting gnome to a complete different direction of users. the so called corporate desktop user. in other words they're targeting people that aren't familiar or experienced with desktop environments. usually business oriented people who are willing to pay money for getting gnome on their computers.

having this new target in mind, the core development team mostly under contract by companies like redhat [redhat.com], ximian [ximian.com] and sun [sun.com] decided to simplify the desktop as much as even possible by removing all its flexibility in favor of an easy clean simple interface to not confuse their new possible customers. so far the idea of a clean easy to use desktop is honourable.

some of the new ideas, features and implementations such as gconf [gnome.org], an evil windows registry like system, new ordering of buttons and dialogs, the removal of 90%-95% of all visible preferences from the control center and applications, the new direction that gnome leads and the attitude of the core development team made a lot of users really unhappy. these are only a couple of examples and the list can easily be expanded but for now this is enough. now let me try to get deeper into these aspects.

you may imagine that users got really frustrated [osnews.com] because their beloved gnome desktop matured into something they didn't want. during the time, the frustration of a not less amount of people increased. more [gnome.org], more [gnome.org] and more [gnome.org] emails arrived on the gnome mailinglists where users tried to explain their concerns, frustrations and the leading target of GNOME.

but the core development team of gnome don't give a damn about what their users are thinking or wanting and most of the time they come up with their standard purl. the reply they give is mostly the same. users should either go and 'file a bug' at bugzilla [gnome.org] or the user mails are being turned so far that at the end they sound like being trolls or the user feedback is simply not wanted. whatever happens the answers aren't really satisfying for the user. even constructive feedback [gnome.org] isn't appreciated.

if you gonna think about this for a minute then things gonna harden that they are dir

Gnome 2.4 RC1 "Kublai" is released
Pakistan India, yet to make request to SCO
Kernel 2.6.0-test4-bk6 released!
Eugina latest flamewars!

-1, offtopic, but its more exciting than this article!

Outlook Express: Death Is Exaggerated (PCWorld.com)
Outcry forces reprieve for Outlook Express (ZDNet UK)

OSNews Discussion

OE might be in the IE boat tho, meaning no release until the next release of Windows, as suggested on Beta News. So there will be an opportunity, but not a gaping hole as the next release of Windows will forcefully spread the next version of OE again.

Read her lastest flamewar, its better than all the obvious statements being made here that get modder up to 5, insightful without any effor!

"Microsoft gives Brazil upgrades to latest releases for pennies on the dollar."

Will Brazil truly pull a Munich, or are they just playing the game Thailand thinks it won with Microsoft.

dear reader the gnome armageddon has started,

first of all i want to clarify that this text was meant to be a source of information otherwise i wouldn't have spent so much time into writing it. belive me it took me a couple of days writing this text in a foreign language. even if you don't care at all for gnome, you may find some interesting information within this text that you like to read. please try to understand my points even if it's hard sometimes, otherwise you wake up one day and feel the need to switch to a different operating system.

on the following lines i'm trying to give you a little insight of the gnome community. the things that are going on in the back, the information that could be worth talking and thinking about.

many of us like the gnome desktop and some of us were following it since the beginning. gnome is a promising project because it's mostly written in C, easy to use, configurable and therefore fits perfectly into the philosophy of u*nix. only to name some of its advantages.

unfortunately these advantages changed with the recently new released version of gnome. the core development team somehow got the idea of targeting gnome to a complete different direction of users. the so called corporate desktop user. in other words they're targeting people that aren't familiar or experienced with desktop environments. usually business oriented people who are willing to pay money for getting gnome on their computers.

having this new target in mind, the core development team mostly under contract by companies like redhat, ximian and sun decided to simplify the desktop as much as even possible by removing all its flexibility in favor of an easy clean simple interface to not confuse their new possible customers. so far the idea of a clean easy to use desktop is honourable.

some of the new ideas, features and implementations such as gconf, an evil windows registry like system, new ordering of buttons and dialogs, the removal of 90%-95% of all visible preferences from the control center and applications, the new direction that gnome leads and the attitude of the core development team made a lot of users really unhappy. these are only a couple of examples and the list can easily be expanded but for now this is enough. now let me try to get deeper into these aspects.

you may imagine that users got really frustrated because their beloved gnome desktop matured into something they didn't want. during the time, the frustration of a not less amount of people increased. more, more and more emails arrived on the gnome mailinglists where users tried to explain their concerns, frustrations and the leading target of GNOME.

but the core development team of gnome don't give a damn about what their users are thinking or wanting and most of the time they come up with their standard purl. the reply they give is mostly the same. users should either go and 'file a bug' at bugzilla or the user mails are being turned so far that at the end they sound like being trolls or the user feedback is simply not wanted. whatever happens the answers aren't really satisfying for the user. even constructive feedback isn't appreciated.

if you gonna think about this for a minute then things gonna harden that they are directing into the commercial area. the core development team actually don't care fo

This isn't true, I won't type more about it right now thought since there are already information regarding this available.

We should be teaching Linux because Linux will have over 20% desktop marketshare by 2008 on Desktops http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=4287

Linux also will be standard for servers, I mean after MSblaster, Sobig, Code Red, etc.

Who will be using Windows in 2008? No one who is serious about security would choose to use Windows, and even if they did use Windows it would not be the current Windows.

I think you'd be better of teaching them Linux because unlike Windows, the Linux commands dont change much, Windows was based on Dos, now its not, it keeps changing from 3.1 to 95 to NT and XP, they keep releasing "new" standards, they keep changing formats, the price keeps going up on Windows software which confirms that the majority of the world wont be able to afford Windows.

So why arent schools teaching Linux, the cheaper more stable alternative to Windows? Well Bill Gates is the richest man in the world, he pays schools to use his software via donations, if someone is offering to donate millions of dollars worth of free hardware if you agree to use their software and only their software on it, it doesnt matter if the mac is better or if linux is cheaper, using Linux wont get you hundreds of free PCs, Microsoft is donating(paying) schools to run their software.

So theres nothing to debate or choose here, you can run Windows and get hundreds of free state of the art PCs, or you can use Linux on your 486s. Mac isnt even an option because Apple even if they give away macs, wont give away as many as Microsoft can afford to give PC/Windows, and Linux is also taking away Apples core market, people who want higher quality and who want the state of the art multimedia computer to render graphics are choosing Linux now over Macs because Linux allows them to do rendering better and on slower computers.

I just dont see a market for Apple besides their Ibook series of laptops which I plan to buy. Their Imacs arent as good as the PC spec for spec, their G5 is good but its also $2000, it doesnt support games so anyone who wants the 64bit CPU wont have anything to run on it because most of the games come out for Windows, Linux supports more games than the Mac believe it or not, theres alot of issues.

If I could give advice to Apple I'd tell them to release OSX for the x86, to stop focusing on hardware and focus on what they do best, the software, and to compete directly with Windows.

I should be able to go into a store to buy the new Itanium or Clawhammer based PC, and see it running OSX, next to it I should see WindowsXP, and Linux. There is no way that I'd walk out with XP or Linux because OSX is easier to use than Linux while its more secure than Windows.

So yes there is a market for Apple, just not the education market, their market would be college students and the enterprise where people value security, stability, and polish/quality.

In school I dont see demand for Mac, people are asking for better games, or more power/speed, I dont see anyone complaining that Windows is too hard to use, at least not the people who are in school today.

• The file dialog STILL sucks (this is 2003)
• The Smelly foot is still there
• The HIG police has castrated all the applications
• Wanda the fish is still there
• They fucked up file-roller. back to tar xjgrijfadsklj file.tar.gz for a decent program
• More options hidden from the easy GUI into GCONF
• The panel fubared into a piece of shit
• Zealots who can't take the truth that LINUX SUCKS!

• The file dialog STILL sucks (this is 2003)
• The Smelly foot is still there
• The HIG police has castrated all the applications
• Wanda the fish is still there
• They fucked up file-roller. back to tar xjgrijfadsklj file.tar.gz for a decent program
• More options hidden from the easy GUI into GCONF
• The panel fubared into a piece of shit
• Zealots who can't take the truth that LINUX SUCKS!

• The file dialog STILL sucks (this is 2003)
• The Smelly foot is still there
• The HIG police has castrated all the applications
• Wanda the fish is still there
• They fucked up file-roller. back to tar xjgrijfadsklj file.tar.gz for a decent program
• More options hidden from the easy GUI into GCONF
• The panel fubared into a piece of shit
• Zealots who can't take the truth that LINUX SUCKS!

OSnews is posting flamewars like clasy! Please particpate inthem while she jerks off to her mare porn

Sillyble 0.45
Gnome 2.4

Because slashdot is becoming a mirror of OSNEWS.com! P.S they activley encourage trolls and flamewars.

Sillyble 0.45
Gnome 2.4

Because slashdot is becoming a mirror of OSNEWS.com! P.S they activley encourage trolls and flamewars.

OSflamewars has another GNOMEvKDE flamewar for you to read