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Don't get me wrong, I like Obama a LOT. If I thought he could win the election, I'd vote for him in a second. But I think most of the U.S. is pretty alarming culturally, for example, check out this museum down in Kentucky:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/arts/24crea.html ?em&ex=1180152000&en=3fce574910e89398&ei=5087%0A

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/18-05-2007/917 28-Kentucky_museum-0

I'm sorry, but I don't have too much "faith" (ha ha!) in the red states about now. They all look pretty nuts from my perspective. I hope the Dems go with the "safe" guy so Giulinani doesn't get in. One shudders to think of what life would be like under THAT guy...

Is it just me, or is the Russian media fscking nuts? Pravda is claiming Imus was fired for threatening to reveal 9/11 secrets! I guess when you're not allowed to tell the truth, you have to pull stories out your ass instead.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/89728- 0

I don't see anything in the article to indicate THAAD works against ICBM's that can behave more like cruise missiles and zigzag to their targets. Check the following:

• Newsweek
• Pravda

In 2004, a couple of months after Saddam's capture, the Russians published a weird thing :

"Saddam's wife could not recognize her husband"
http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/366/12494_sad dam.html

You can whinge about sources if you want, I dont give a crap, most murdoch/GE/etc owned news companies lie through their teeth, so the only place you CAN go for some of this news is "less reputable" sites.... (eg look up "outfoxed" on google video, a doco by ex fox news reporters, describing how dodgy the station ewnt after murdoch took over)

URL: http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/81616- crisis-0

In effect, Bush is asserting the same powers seized by Adolf Hitler in 1933. His Federalist Society apologists and Department of Justice appointees claim that President Bush has the same power to interpret the Constitution as the Supreme Court. An Alito Court is likely to agree with this false claim.

Bush Justice Department official and Berkeley law professor John Yoo argues that no law can restrict the President in his role as Commander In Chief. Thus, once the president is at war - even a vague, open-ended "war on terror" - Bush's Justice Department says the president is free to undertake any action in pursuit of war, including the torture of children and the indefinite detention of American citizens.

In a further bid this week to tighten their grip upon the United States, military leaders have announced that their nation's judges no longer have oversight over their actions, and as we can read as reported by the Reuters News Service in their article titled "US Says Gov't, Not Courts, Should Judge Spy Secrets," and which says:

"The United States government, not any court, is the best judge of whether to keep programs such as its controversial effort to eavesdrop on citizens a secret, an assistant attorney general said on Wednesday. Peter Keisler, an assistant attorney general, and other U. S. officials made the claim in the latest filing to a lawsuit alleging that telecommunications firm AT&T illegally allowed the government to monitor phone conversations and e-mail communications.

"In cases such as this one, where the national security of the United States is implicated, it is well established that the executive branch is best positioned to judge the potential effects of disclosure of sensitive information on the nation's security, they wrote in a filing on Wednesday evening."

No, it's completely right.

My aunt is an university teacher in Russia. Last time I asked, her wage was somewhere about $100 a month. From what I hear, in America it's quite possible to earn $4000 a month as a programmer. Let's try a very conservative $2000 then. Let's say the CD costs $15 for you.

Now the question: Would anybody in their right mind buy the CD for $300, which is the russian equivalent? If you don't believe me, see "Living Wage in Russia not Enough for British Cat": http://english.pravda.ru/society/family/09-01-2004 /4540-cat-0

So, if music is going to be sold at all in Russia it's going to have to be at a reasonable price -- which is ridiculously small by American standards. AllOfMP3 AFAIK, pays royalties. Of course they're going to be very small by American standards as well. But this is globalization. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Before you waste your time with scholarsfor911truth goto this site and learn about the organization, members and multiple rebukings of thier "facts".
Some of the major contributers to scholarsfor911truth exist only on the internet, other real people are assosiated with sites such as Holocaust denial sites and sites that even question if man has ever landed on the moon.

I also visit Al Jazeera from time to time.

I get all my international new from The People's Daily. ;)

Well there is always Pravda if you don't mind the UFO stories.

Ask, and you shall receive.

The leading moral authority for Sunnis is the rector or Grand Imam of the al-Azhar Seminary/ University in Cairo, Egypt. Al-Azhar is perhaps the world's oldest continuous university and has been since the time of Saladin a major center of Sunni religious authority. The current incumbent is Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi. So what about Tantawi and Bin Laden?

Grand Imam of Al-Azhar seminary, Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, condemns Osamah Bin Laden. Here's another cached link from Washington Post reporting on the same condemnation.

What about Pakistan? Pakistani Cleric Tahir ul Qadri condemns Bin Laden.

Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi is a TV preacher, and pretty popular with a wide Arabic audience on Al-Jazeera. He absolutely despises Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaradawi has repeatedly condemned Al-Qaeda. He even gave a fatwa that it was a duty of Muslims to fight alongside the US in Afghanistan against al-Qaeda! Yusuf Qaradawi Condemns Al Qaeda.

Hamza Yusuf is a sheikh, what about the Shi'ites? Most fatwas of that sort are in arabic, but here's one reported: Ayatollah Muhammad Husain Fadlallah of Lebanon condemns Osama Bin Laden

Don't forget the West!> There are 250,000 Muslims in Spain: Spanish Muslim Clerical authorities Issue Fatwa against Osamah Bin Laden. Russia is 15% Muslim, with 20 Million Muslims. High Mufti of Russian Muslims calls for Extradition of Bin Laden. And they're not saying that to please Putin or anything.

If you're looking for someone to make a fatwa that says so-and-so is in Hell right now, you're not going to find that, as Muslims aren't allowed to judge people, only God can. They can say that murder and suicide are both hell-worthy sins, and they all said that. This isn't like Catholicism where you can just excommunicate people either. You can label Bin Laden a sinner (and believe me, there's quite a lot of people who did), but in Islam you can't say whether he's an atheist or not. That's just semantics, everyone knows Bin Laden is a wrongdoer, and have said so.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/16640_a erospace.html

Meh. I'm suspicious of these sorts of theories.

If the U.S. government was so good at sponsoring these sorts of Riots, we wouldn't need to actually invade. We'd just sponsor huge unrest throughout Iran, and the government would collapse. Their hold on power is somewhat tenuous, anyways; all that is really needed is a strong opposition.

This Russian politican you are pointing at, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, is a mad man who at one point advocated open warfar with the U.S. He is a hard, hard, hardcore Russian right-winger. Like, from the rafters. He's essentially a fascist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Zhirinovsky

I quote:
He advocates alliances between the former Soviet republics leading up to re-incorporation of the Soviet Union. Zhirinovsky also made statements regarding re-acquisition of Alaska through the use of military force, invading and occupying Iran, and constructing large fans to blow Russia's nuclear waste into Germany. He has also praised Adolf Hitler's rule and encouraged the use of nuclear weapons against possible adversaries. He has been known to make public anti-Semitic remarks.

Zhirinovsky allegedly praised the success of American presidential candidate Pat Buchanan during Buchanan's 1992 Presidential bid. Buchanan refused Zhirinovsky's endorsement.

He's publicly made statements like this:
The leader of the Liberal and Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR), Vladimir Zhirinovsky, expressed his opinion on the matter in an exclusive interview with Pravda.Ru.

"Condoleezza Rice released a coarse anti-Russian statement. This is because she is a single woman who has no children. She loses her reason because of her late single status. Nature takes it all.

"Such women are very rough. They are all workaholics, public workaholics. They can be happy only when they are talked and written about everywhere: "Oh, Condoleezza, what a remarkable woman, what a charming Afro-American lady! How well she can play the piano and speak Russian! What a courageous, tough and strong female she is!

"This is the only way to satisfy her needs of a female. She derives pleasure from it. If she has no man by her side at her age, he will never appear. Even if she had a whole selection of men to choose from she would stay single because her soul and heart have hardened. Like Napoleon, Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, or Alexander the Great of Macedon Ms. Rice needs to fight and release tough public statements in global scale. She needs to be on top of the world. ...
"The civilized world needs to think about a decision when single politicians are not allowed to stay in power. ...
  This is not the place, where one can sublimate their personal sexual problems.

"Complex-prone women are especially dangerous. They are like malicious mothers-in-law, women that evoke hatred and irritation with everyone. ...
"Condoleezza Rice needs a company of soldiers. She needs to be taken to barracks where she would be satisfied. On the other hand, she can hardly be satisfied because of her age. This is a complex. She needs to return to her university and teach students there. She could also deal with psychological analysis.

"The true reason of Ms. Rice's attack against Russia is very simple. Condoleezza Rice is a very cruel, offended woman who lacks men's attention. Releasing such stupid remarks gives her the feeling of being fulfilled. This is the only way for her to attract men's attention," Vladimir Zhirinovsky said.


Ahem...

This is not a man one should be basing research on ;-)

Some more information about this endeavor can be found here.

They've been doing this for years now with humans.

Yes, I saw a program on Dicsovery years ago but I cannot find it on their site.
Basically, some Siberian Doctors were using the Winter weather to induce hypothermia in patients undergoing open-heart-surgery.
Here's a report from 2001 and Another report from 2002

• US Funds the Taliban
• US Uses white phosphorous and napalm on civilians (WMV 40MB NSFW VERY GRAPHIC)
• US Proposes law legally to *allow* cruel and unusual torture for detainees in Guantanamo bay

Military needs discipline and rape/murder goes against discipline.

I don't know what to think ;) http://english.pravda.ru/fun/2001/11/25/21934.html

41m crocodile remains found - http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/16116_f ossils.html

"One species, Ramphosuchus crassidens of India, grew to an enormous size: 15 metres or more." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavialinae

"Sarchosuchus imperator was truly enormous. Its head was two metres long, its body the size of a school bus and it weighed in at a full eight tonnes." ... "The scientists spent a long time estimating the length of the crocodile. By comparing its skull with other recent finds they estimate that the animal could have reached as much as 40ft (11-12 metres) in length."
http://www.supercroc.com/pressarticles/bbc.htm

Or cool for another reason: Pristichampsus + Baurosuchus

But I don't get why this particular find is (while admittedly interesting) is supposedly particularly cool?

Not to start a flame war here, please tell me exactly how government is accountable? for example

Who actually gets fired over this? Who compensates this poor bastard?

Or here's another name: Richard Jewel. The FBI fucks this guy over, the press falls in line, he wins a liability suit with the press (a million or so), the FBI gets away with fucking up this guys life. And they're still doing it. Look at what to this guy. If the FBI were a corp they'd be out of business right now or at least have paid out billions in settlements.

No sir, I still hold to my original oppinion

Council of American-Islamic Relations condemns 9/11 in national full-page newspaper ad the next day.

Ayatollah Muhammad Husain Fadlallah of Lebanon condemns Osama Bin Laden.

Grand Imam of Al-Azhar seminary, Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, condemns Osamah Bin Laden (Plus official text)

Prominent Pakistani Cleric Tahir ul Qadri condemns Bin Laden.

Television preacher Yusuf Al-Qaradawi condemns Al Qaeda

Spanish Muslim Clerical authorities Issue Fatwa against Osamah Bin Laden. There are on the order of 250,000 Muslims in Spain.

High Mufti of Russian Muslims calls for Extradition of Bin Laden. Russian Muslims are 15% of the population there, so this is not a pro forma thing.

List of Muslim condemnations of Terrorist attacks. Also Scholars of Islam and the tragedy of 9/11 attacks

Expressions of grief and sympathy in the Arab world after 9/11. (Includes candlelight vigils in Tehran, anti-terrorism protests in Bangladesh)

Iraqi blogger Riverbend recalls the sympathy she felt on 9/11

You didn't hear any protests because it simply wasn't covered in American news. International news did pick up on these events. How about the people in Arab countries who donated blood after 9/11 because Qaradawi suggested it? What about the flower bouquets people sent in sympathy to the American embassy in Kuwait, so many that they ringed the fence?

You should definitively see the "Kursk: A Submarine in Troubled Waters" documentary which tries to link the russian torpedoes with the Kursk tragedia.
Here's one reference on a Russian newspaper. http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/362/14809_.htm l

"I highly recommend that the US resign from the UN and see how long it holds together without our monetary support." The problem is that the US doesn't pay their dues at the UN (unless this has change in the last few years). They have refused to pay the required dues because they feel that they aren't given enough of a say in the operations of the UN. That is why I have always found it quite funny when the US complains that the UN is ineffectual. Maybe if they would pay their dues and give the UN the finances they need to do their job things would get done. Again I must state that I am basing this on old information. A quick search provided these links: http://www.asil.org/insights/insigh21.htm http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2005/06/deja_vu_on _un_d.html http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/18/un.reform/ http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/08/17/12711.htm l If this has changed and the US is now meeting its financial obligation please disreguard this post.

For these mice might have fled to Russia to join the civilization of rats reported to exist somewhere in the Urals. Now, just imagine what will happen if these rats start using these mice as suicide terrorists...

>>There are serious questions about were all that money is going.

Well, one place the money is going is to buy 100,000 AK-47s and 40 MI-35 helicopters from Russia for a total of $5 billion:

http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/368/14956_wea pons.html

Where did you find this article? Was it between the monkey boy bites man and pyramid power articles or the ones which describe perpetual motion machines from space aliens?

Really, quoting Pravda is worse than treating the National Enquirer as a legitmate news source.

The current headlines at http://english.pravda.ru/ includes this:

Brazil, Russia, India and China to outdo Europe and the US - 08/29/2005 13:29

The main economic analysts of today share their thoughts of tomorrow
The world is changing so quickly that the human mind is unable to keep up. Experts from Deutsche Bank and other analysts decided to take a look at the future. The role of the EU becomes less and less important while developing countries boost their economic growth. Experts do not consider the USA a motive power in the economic progress. China and other rapidly developing countries are more important in the accelerating of world economy.

Uh..ok, the situation is changing so fast that the human mind can't comprehend but Deutsche Bank "experts" can predict the future. Uh...right. No contradiciton here, just accept what Pravda says.

Never mind that they are raising funds by selling Pravda-branded merchandise through Cafe Express...an American commercial site.

Click on the "Science and Health" sub-category and you will see 3 main areas: Discoveries (which includes a story titled, "Ageing and dying is just a freak" about nanotech to let people live forever because science fiction authors think about it, UFOs, and Technologies. That 3rd category includes articles about how every living creature on earth will be given a unique barcode, indispensable Russian Navy submersibles (if only they would learn the difference between nets and hammocks) and the story about food which will last forever.

Yeah, Pravda, the science reference for those without grounding in reality.

Unknown fire and jelly-like creatures live in Earth's atmosphere!

Of course, perhaps it is money well invested since the logistics involved in a subway terrorism incident aren't pretty, but neither were the logistics of for the people trapped in the World Trade Center nor even the children in Beslan.

Since there will always be a way, I think it's a matter of changing the will instead. The money should be spent on winning the hearts and minds of the people of other countries. I'm not talking about the terrorists but those who the terrorists use for support. Blow up a bus... increase aid to starving countries, shoot down a plane, build a dozen schools or a community center in a struggling nation. Oh, and I'd still have my gov'ts police and intelligence seek out and punish those who took the action.

Looks like the Ruskis have this available as a course (if you want to go to Siberia) Hacker Hunter U [pravda.ru],
--
"It's so convenient to have a system where everyone is a criminal" - A. Hitler

Looks like the Ruskis have this available as a course (if you want to go to Siberia) Hacker Hunter U [pravda.ru],
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"It's so convenient to have a system where everyone is a criminal" - A. Hitler

Don't believe everything you read in a paper called "The Truth". Their speciality is hillarious UFO stories. See here for more

Looks like the Ruskis have this available as a course (if you want to go to Siberia) Hacker Hunter U,

Oops, I meant not in but from Dollars to Euros.
And no, it was not meant to be a flamebait but just a question.

Sexual contacts with aliens occur frequently
Aliens live underground

Sexual contacts with aliens occur frequently
Aliens live underground

Here goes the karma sacrifice.
The Russians, who are quite clever, have figured out how to use non-embryonic stem cells to cure spinal cord injuries.
Article

Six spinal patients of one of Russian private clinics agreed to participate in a special experiment, which was based on the above-mentioned method. Patients' own stem cells were injected in the place of spinal cord rupture. A positive result was registered with five of the volunteers: they could feel their legs, even move them a little, pelvic organs retrieved their functions too.

You know that it's interesting that this guy has treated people with stem cells and cured spinal illnesses with the patient's own stem cells! Meanwhile people are talking about embryonic stem cells which haven't yet cured anybody yet. I'm not a doctor but won't these embryonic cells be rejected because they've got different DNA then the person being treated?
I don't really care either way on the abortion issue but this whole thing makes me think that the side effect of successful embryonic stem cell research will be to reward people montetarily for having abortions or at least make people feel good about aborting.

Copyright isn't the legal recognition of natural anything. It's a law that restricts copying. The exception for brief quotes is, in fact, a good example of how holding a copyright is different from owning property.

I wish people would stop flogging this "fundamental natural property rights" stuff. I'd like to keep my property, but just because something's good to have doesn't make it the fundamental basis for everything. If you want to feel like you've distilled everything down to first principles, choose love, or self-determinations, or something vaugely uplifting. Otherwise the tortured logic is just irritating.

I'll bet some think-tank has property rights-based explanations for why lying is considered wrong, why we show respect for the dead, and why people desire political freedom. I'll file them next to my deed to the sky .

In response or perhaps just confirmation of Russia's fears, there's the 'new weapons system' http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id= 99166&region=3 the Russians talk about. Only talk? What if it's not? Russia sure thinks we're trying to nullify their nuclear position...

So the nasty times this station comes from could return... Not a nice thought..

Sure. It's been a while since I've read specifically on this subject, so these are a bit old, but I got a lot out of these:

• Crossan, John Dominic (1991): The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant. North Blackburn, CollinsDove.
• Lane Fox, Robin (1986): Pagans and Christians. Harmondsworth, Penguin.
• Lane Fox, Robin (1991): The Unauthorized Version: Truth and Fiction in the Bible. Harmondsworth, Penguin.
• Romer, John (1988): Testament: The Bible And History. London, Michael O'Mara.

I thought The Unauthorized Version, especially, was brilliant, although his opinions on the dating of the Gospels are unorthodox (he thinks John was the earliest - but he makes a good case). Testament was good for a broad introduction. Also, more recently, articles and book reviews from time to time in The Skeptic , particularly by Tim Callahan, although I haven't read any of his books.

Spouting claims like this without any evidence doesn't help your cause either. Please englighten me.

Sorry; I assumed since you mentioned them that you knew who they were, they are very well known. The Skeptic's Dictionary has good summaries of the skeptical position on both Velikovksy and Sitchin. Velikovsky was not a scientist, as you described him, but a psychiatrist; similarly, Sitchin is a journalist, not a Hebrew scholar. It was said of Velikovsky that astronomers thought his astronomy was ludicrous, but were impressed by his history, while historians were impressed by his astronomy, but not his history. (The same could probably be said of Sitchin, though fewer academics ever noticed his existence, as opposed to Velikovsky.) And as a graduate in both astrophysics and history, I think both his astronomy and his history are rubbish!

References and Links please...

Well, I gave you my reasoning as to why that slab story is dubious at best, we can discuss that. I'm not about to go through google and dredge up a bunch of dodgy pravda.ru stories (I call it pravda.ru and not Pravda because it actually has no connection with the old Soviet newspaper of that name, AFAIK). But one pravda.ru exclusive that came up recently was about an expedition to Tunguska to prove that the 1908 explosion was caused by a UFO. Even the ufologists on the ufo-updates mailing list found this an absurd, unscientific thing to do. And sure enough, the expedition found the "proof" they set out to find.

> There is no significant historical evidence pre-ice age that homo sapiens were anything more than small nomadic bands

Just because you are ignorant of them, doesn't mean there are none:

- Why do the Pyramids and Sphinx show water erosion

- Granite Coffer show sign of super-advanced drilling techniques.
Spiraling patterns show this drill capable o drilling 1/10th of an inch per second. The best we can do thru granite is 1/100th.

- Eeboom and Belting found ancient gold trinkets of working aircraft models , once scaled up.

- A machined 3D relief map 120-million years old in a 1-ton stone, with inscriptions.

I could go on, but the best place of proof, that includes photos, is
Gods of the New Millennium : Scientific Proof of Flesh & Blood Gods by Alan F. Alford

Another OK reference is Shift of the Ages

Peace

http://www.universalway.org/Foreign/origins.html

"It is the position of many Biblical researchers that most of the Old Testament comes from other, more ancient writings.
Even ** Jewish ** writers admit that most of the Hebrew writings were merely taken freely from Sumerian, Babylonian, Egyptian, and even Greek sources.

- Horace Meyer Kallen, at one time a professor at the Jewish New School of Social Research, said that the Book of Job was lifted bodily from an early and obscure Greek play.

- Scientist and author Immanuel Velikovsky admitted that there are "many parallels" between the Vedic Hymns and the Books of Joel and Isaiah.

- Hebrew scholar Zecharia Sitchin claimed that the Book of Genesis is based on the Sumerian creation myth.

- The story of Noah comes from the Sumerian legend of Gilgamesh.

- The Psalms were taken word for word from Akhenaton's Hymns to the Sun, written 600 years earlier in Egypt.

- The Ten Commandments (3,5,6,7,8,9,10) were taken from the Egyptian Book of the Dead

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/EGYPT/BOD125.HTM
h ttp://www.geocities.com/wally_mo/moses2.html

#3 I have come to you, my Lord, I have brought myself here to behold
your beauties.
I know you, and I know your name,
I have not cursed a god. I have not scorned any god.

#5 I have not oppressed the members of my family.
I have not oppressed servants.
I have not cause harm to be done to a servant by his master.

#6 I have not killed.
I have not given the order to kill.
I have not inflicted pain on anyone.

#7 I have not fornicated.

#8 I have not added to or stolen land.
I have not added weights to the scales to cheat buyers.
I have not misread the scales to cheat buyers.

#9 I have not lied,

#10 I have not encroached on the land of others.

Here is an interesting link to more Egyptian & Old Testament
scriptural similiarilities:
http://www.mystae.com/restricted /streams/thera/egy pt.html

- The New Testament wasn't compiled until 200-400 years after the fact. by Irenaeus.
http://www.thenazareneway.com/gospels_s econd_centu ry_writings.htm

"If this is true, then many informed researchers have asked: How can
we call the Torah and other books of the Old Testament the Word of
God?"

The Bible is NOT to be interpreted strictly literally, for why does Paul write in Gal 4:21-24 "These things may be taken _figuratively_, for the women represent two covenants." ?

Furthermore, if the Bible is the word of God, _which_ version would that be??

Peace

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The evolution & "supposed" pre-ancient history of man is a crock.
One of the many proofs that intelligent pre-historic civilizations existed long BEFORE man's ancient civilizations...
1. Progression of "apparent" history of "man" - Hominidae is 3 millions years old
2. Geological Time Frames perspective
3. A machined 3D relief map 120-million years old in a 1-ton stone, with inscriptions. WTF?!

According to the russians, it's not only oil and SUV's that are causing a great deal of pollution...
It's also dust.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/14518_d ust.html/

However, also according to the russians, Time travel is possible, and occurs in the South pole!
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/12190_e xperiment.html/

According to the russians, it's not only oil and SUV's that are causing a great deal of pollution...
It's also dust.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/14518_d ust.html/

However, also according to the russians, Time travel is possible, and occurs in the South pole!
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/12190_e xperiment.html/

European consumers ignore most famous US brands

it already has begun

No, no, Alexander Putin the president's cousin, author of The Putins Kin. Did you think I meant the president?

No, I definitely meant Alexander. Definitely.

You think thats interesting, try this: There is no moon.

Because all the proofs are burried deep in the archives of the KGB.

However, the Russian media wrote about this (in English)

As 40 years have passed since Gagarin's flight, new sensational details of this event were disclosed: Gagarin was not the first man to fly to space.
Three Soviet pilots died in attempts to conquer space before Gagarin's famous space flight, Mikhail Rudenko, senior engineer-experimenter with Experimental Design Office 456 (located in Khimki, in the Moscow region) said on Thursday.
According to Rudenko, spacecraft with pilots Ledovskikh, Shaborin and Mitkov at the controls were launched from the Kapustin Yar cosmodrome (in the Astrakhan region) in 1957, 1958 and 1959. "All three pilots died during the flights, and their names were never officially published," Rudenko said.
He explained that all these pilots took part in so-called sub- orbital flights, i.e., their goal was not to orbit around the earth, which Gagarin later did, but make a parabola-shaped flight. "The cosmonauts were to reach space heights in the highest point of such an orbit and then return to the Earth," Rudenko said.
According to his information, Ledovskikh, Shaborin and Mitkov were regular test pilots, who had not had any special training, Interfax reports. "Obviously, after such a serious of tragic launches, the project managers decided to cardinally change the program and approach the training of cosmonauts much more seriously in order to create a cosmonaut detachment," Rudenko said.

> You know it's a sad day when you start missing those Monkey Island code wheels!

Ah, the good old days of the XOR data file, which was byte-code interpreted.

Kids these days with those new-fangled CD emulation tools. Back in my day we had un-photocopable paper and we liked it!

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The evolution & "supposed" pre-ancient history of man is a crock.
One of the many proofs that intelligent pre-historic civilizations existed long BEFORE man's ancient civilizations...
1. Progression of "apparent" history of "man" - Hominidae is 3 millions years old
2. Geological Time Frames perspective
3. A machined 3D relief map 120-million years old in a 1-ton stone, with inscriptions. WTF?!

http://www.unknownnews.net/fis020603.html
http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/rape/nan ag/
http://english.pravda.ru/diplomatic/2001/12/21/241 41.html
http://www.brasscheck.com/yugoslavia/directory/517 99a.html
http://www.michaelparenti.org/MediaAtrocities.html
http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/mandel_canada.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/sinclair/why. htm

If you can provide links to websites that actually can provide hard evidence of the things that required something drastic to be done, I'd love to read them. I'd also love to read any websites you have that explain how the US was dragged kicking and screaming. Thanks.