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~1997 works for me

As a long time Mozilla user (since before T-Bird and FF split from the Mozilla suite), I'm glad to see them putting some effort into this project again but it's hard to trust these crack heads!

Well, if they really mess up Thunderbird, I can always switch back to Seamonkey.

Unfortunately it seems that browser development is too resource intensive for a community-driven solution to be feasible.

You're kidding, right?

SeaMonkey (User agent Example: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4) too! https://www.seamonkey-project....

Has anyone noticed extensions aren't updated anymore in them like uBlock Origins (v1.13.8 from 7/21/2017)? :(

We still have Netscape

Here too: https://www.seamonkey-project.... :P

Don't forget https://www.seamonkey-project.... ... V2.49.3 currently uses Firefox v52 ESR's Gecko engine. :D

Then just get Seamonkey.

Check out SeaMonkey, which is basically a continuation of Netscape/Mozilla. It uses much of the same codebase as Firefox 52 ESR.

The Mozilla suite never went away. It became SeaMonkey, an "all-in-one internet application suite". The old Mozilla suite is still here, using right now the Firefox 52.6 ESR core/platform, so it is mostly up-to-date.

citation needed

Here you go.

Need more?

Still not enough?

Perhaps you need a little bit more?

Or a little less?

I hope you learned your lesson, son.

Brave is slimeware. It's filled with all sorts of commercial bullshit like ads, tracking and monetization crap.

Like SeaMonkey, Palemoon, etc.

MS's free IE not only destroyed Netscape...

The hell you say!

For me, I still use SeaMonkey. ;)

everyone here seems to know how to make the perfect browser.

Well, Somebody does...

No good alternatives? Please!

Member when Firefox was a fork from the old Mozilla browser? Well, the browser changed its name years ago, but it's still around.

There's also Mozilla Seamonkey which is basically Netscape with the old name filed off. The UI is more like the FF3.6/FF4.0 era, only with the current version of Gecko merged over from the FF project. I tried using a current version of FF once a few weeks ago, and it was like something from an alien planet.

but SeaMonkey and Thunderbird are still important

I hate to break it to you but Mozilla parted ways[*] with Thunderbird and SeaMonkey some time ago. The developers hired by Mozilla, mainly focus on Firefox/Rust/everything you just mentioned solely. Now that being a good thing or bad thing is, I am sure, a topic for discussion.

[*] Mozilla still proves legal advice/backing and hosting of code for the two projects. However, no Mozilla developer works on either of these projects directly (obviously there's dabbling). They are now community developed and overseen by Thunderbird Council and SeaMonkey Council respectively. Additionally, there is some leeway granted to these two projects in respect to Copyrighted material like logos and what not.

This is why I use Seamonkey. It is basically what became of the original Mozilla browser after Firefox forked from it. It quickly achieved Firefox 3.x levels of usability and stayed there. Meanwhile, Firefox started chasing Chrome's UI weirdness. I had a chance to install FF yesterday and it was like going to another planet.

The "if it isn't encrypted, we must scare the user" thing is massively stupid. First of all, not everybody runs a web site that needs certificate-based encryption. Yeah, it was good to shame the major players into it, but encryption is hardly important for running a little blog web site on your own domain.

For a small web site, even turning on SSL can be a major undertaking, and getting a certificate is extra work too. I have mine set up aliased to multiple domains, using vhost to select which site to serve up, and AIUI, I would have to get a separate certificate for each domain, and return the proper one for a browser to not bitch.

Certificates (authenticating the server) and encryption (encrypting the communication) are two different things, yet they get conflated by the "we know what's best for you" types.

Fucked that up, let me come again

Something ate my link:

https://www.seamonkey-project....

In IRC, SeaMonkey's web browser, web sites like http://aqfl.net/ and http://slashdot.org/ etc.

Netscape

SeaMonkey uses the same Gecko engine as Firefox, and still customizable. At least it doesn't change much on the front end.

turn off some of the crap with this..
https://www.oo-software.com/en...

maybe even disable updates completely and use this...
http://download.wsusoffline.ne...
to download updates and an update installer separately.

and of course... disable all the "live tiles" or delete/unisntall their respective apps, and use this for a start menu...
http://classicshell.net/

if you need a pop/imap mail client, consider mozilla thunderbird or even seamonkey instead of the piece-of-shit mail "app" in win10. note that the popular mail client in "live essentials" is end-of-life and no longer updated/fixed.
https://mozilla.org/thunderbir...
http://seamonkey-project.org/

Hopefully Seamonkey won't go hurtling down the same path with Firefox (they're built on FF49 right now).

We need another new browser

Why? The old one works just fine...

Maybe I should write an article asking people to praise IE or maybe Netscape

IE, no, Mosaic... And I still use Netscape. There's still no better.

Same here, but I use SeaMonkey.

As others have pointed out, it isn't the logo that they have to worry about, it's how they're pissing away the value of their brand by getting as far away as possible from its roots.
Here in India, people don't know that the browser is called Firefox, they see the 'Mozilla Firefox' and simply refer to it as 'Mozilla' (I'd tell them that the Mozilla suite was a totally different product family, now represented by Seamonkey, but not as though anyone outside the Slashdot demographic cares about the distinction)

Firefox is not Netscape

Also try old school SeaMonkey that is a suite like old Netscape and Mozilla.

Mozilla needs to take Firefox back to its roots.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

http://www.seamonkey-project.o...
you can look at a brine shrimp make bubbles while you browse and check email

Pedantism: FireFox was a fork from Netscape. Seamonkey was renamed from Mozilla, which was renamed from Netscape Navigator.

SeaMonkey is still going strong.

You could at least give SeaMonkey a try. Being in a direct line from Netscape Navigator makes it a lot like FF in the 3.6 era, only with all the modern Gecko HTML improvements from FF. I'm still waiting for a chance to ditch Flash forever (it won't even fucking upgrade properly now on my computer, the "Install" button does nothing!) but ustream still won't use their HTML5 player with the current version of SM, and it is the main thing left that I use semi-regularly that requires Flash. (For now Flash remains in "click to enable" mode.)

Huh? As others have pointed out, Thunderbird is separate program from Firefox.

Seamonkey is what you're looking for (and is still actively maintained) if you and whoever modded you up want to rip on an all-in-one. I switched to it after the bloat in Firefox and Thunderbird got to be too much. I'm not sure how involved Mozilla is with Seamonkey since it shares a lot of source code with Firefox and Thunderbird, but the linked page says "Legal backing is provided by the Mozilla Foundation."

I happen to want an all-in-one for work, but perhaps if you just want a browser, you could give Midori a try. Make sure to check out the bundled plugins, since the "extra" stuff like vertical tabs (and javascript and ad blockers too iirc) winds up in the plugins instead of making the core browser bloated.

So, a community-supported Thunderbird, just like SeaMonkey? Offload everything to the community. The community then spends 80 % of its time figuring out how to fix the build breakages MozCorp introduced this month.

And then their build infrastructure gets 'best-effort' support treatment from Mozilla and then they have to wait half a year to get a OS / compiler upgrade before they can get a Windows build working.

I'm not treating this as welcome news.

(Incidentally, SeaMonkey's mail client is pretty tightly coupled with Thunderbird, and bugfixes to TB are bugfixes for SM.)

SeaMonkey and rarely changed on the front end.

All I know is that the "browser.pocket.enabled" config isn't in Seamonkey. Nor are (so far) all the stupid attempts to clone Chrome.

Mozilla fixed this back in 2005. It's called SeaMonkey.

Seamonkey is pretty good, like FF back in the 3.x days, but it was suffering for a months-delayed release (partly due to a bunch of FF security crap hitting in a short time) that finally dropped this week. And they're still a few Gecko versions behind FF. It's good to have auto-fill passwords working again.

Seamonkey is OK, but development is a little sketchy. I switched to Palemoon almost a year ago and Mozilla can go fuck themselves. It's not just a rebranded Firefox, it's a fork that retains most of what made Firefox popular in the first place.

Seamonkey is pretty good, like FF back in the 3.x days, but it was suffering for a months-delayed release (partly due to a bunch of FF security crap hitting in a short time) that finally dropped this week. And they're still a few Gecko versions behind FF. It's good to have auto-fill passwords working again.

SeaMonkey still rules even though a few Gecko versions behind. :/

The nicest thing I can say about FF is that it opened the floodgates, before Firefox/Phoenix/Mozilla Suite you had crappy IE, broken NS, and adware Opera.

Today there is Comodo Dragon (what I use, better security features and no phone home to Google) Chromium, SWIron, and Opera which my oldest boy swears is the greatest thing ever (hates the new version, went back to using presto) and on the gecko side there is PaleMoon (the other browser I use, I prefer the UI over IceDragon and it seems snappier), SeaMonkey, IceDragon, if you need really low resource there is always Kmeleon which runs really well even on a P3 running Win98SE and if you want to avoid BOTH the Chromium and Gecko engines you can go with QTWeb which is just what it says on the tin, a cross platform browser that uses Webkit and the QT framework...quite nice actually and of course Safari if you are into Apple.

I was using FF before it was called Firefox, and the Suite before that and....yeah, its just not very nice now. The UI feels like a bad Chrome ripoff and it still has "senior moments" where the entire UI can just "hang" for several seconds, which when you have 8 fricking cores and 16GB of RAM? is just inexcusable. I don't know what went wrong with Moz, but for the past few years they seem to have gone out of their way to just ruin the browser, do they no longer care? Has the UI team been taken over by Google? All I know is If I wanted Chrome I'd use Chrome and the current FF feels like a really bad Chrome knockoff, its the "Hipad" that looks kinda sorta like the real thing but once you use it? Yeah its just a knock off.

Luckily this isn't the bad old days where it was just IE and netscape, today you DO have options! There is Comodo Dragon (what I use, better security features and no phone home to Google) Chromium, SWIron, and Opera which my oldest boy swears is the greatest thing ever (boy is he still pissed they quit using presto) and on the gecko side there is Firefox, PaleMoon (the other browser I use, I prefer the UI over IceDragon and it seems snappier), SeaMonkey, IceDragon, if you need really low resource there is always Kmeleon which runs really well even on a P3 running Win98SE and if you want to avoid BOTH the Chromium and Gecko engines you can go with QTWeb which is just what it says on the tin, a cross platform browser that uses Webkit and QT.

Try SeaMonkey that uses the same Firefox's Gecko engine? http://www.seamonkey-project.o...

Why not? It works for Apple.

On a more serious note I've been a loyal Firefox user for the past 12 years however I'm getting rather upset with the direction it has taken the past couple years, however I don't want to use Chrome, Safari, Internet Explorer or Edge (all of which are owned and maintained by large corporations) and since Opera has jumped on the WebKit bandwagon making it a glorified Chrome skin I'm thinking maybe it's time for a new open source browser. The only browser I can think of that isn't tied to some other browser is Konqueror but unfortunately I find KHTML to be somewhat awful and even if it wasn't Konqueror is *nix only.

tl;dr: Mozilla has become detached from what made early Firefox versions great and it's probably time for them to be replaced.

Try looking at Seamonkey sometime. Even though it packs several additional features and modes to Firefox, it feels significantly more lightweight to me at least, and the interface is really nice to use (especially when you come from the older Mozilla crowd).

"You can change the source, you have the power!" Yeah, not so much... nobody is really going to do anything except complain. (Well, except that one guy who is now going to make it his life work to fork it into something he calls Freefox that gets used by around 53 people... but those 53 people are very happy about it.)

Firefox has been forked already. More than 53 people are very happy about it. Pale Moon

Seamonkey is a pretty decent cousin. It's what Firefox itself was forked from!