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see if you can get them to start handing out this. very useful introduction to opensource, without being as pushy as preinstalling software. http://www.theopencd.org/

and hand them a few of these in DVD cases with nice covers.

http://www.theopencd.org/

Have you checked out TheOpenCD? That one contains a number of well-known and useful open-source applications for Windows; it should be easy to make (possibly customized) copies of that one to include with new computers, for example.

one good resource for promoting open source software on windows is the OpenCD

it's much easier for some to learn by using than it is by listening...

the open cd

http://theopencd.org/

and GNUWin II

http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/en/index.html

Though the included software is all relatively recent, developement on maintaining GNUWin has halted as of Nov of last year. They are currently looking for contributors who are motivated enough to help lead and continue the project.

... is a turn based fantasy game that runs on Win, Mac and Linux. It's very playable and it's Free! See a description and screenshots at TheOpenCD site. Everything will work well with the headmouse, no problem.

As well as those who download more than once or install more than once, remember to factor those who get their firefox elsewhere, such as on a fedora core 3 dvd, an OpenCD or a cover disk.

K-meleon can run off a CD. That's why it's used to power both TheOpenCD 2.0 and Ubuntu Live :)

Most of those items are on The Open CD, with a really nice installer on the front end. ISO available here.

As well as being able to boot into Ubuntu linux desktop, the Ubuntu linux live CD also includes Windows versions of OpenOffice.org, Firefox, Thunderbird, Abiword, Gimp, PDFCreator and Audacity. These use the installer from The OpenCD.

People don't know how to boot off a CD. You'll need to include directions for that, and it's difficult, since every BIOS has a different method.

Also, tell people that they should keep it around even if they don't understand it. A friend recently re-imaged her computer (at Dell's recommendation) because some DLL was missing or something. The data on their disk could have been saved with a bootable CD.

A misconception that I've recently heard is that OSS isn't worth anything if you're not a programmer. Not sure how that plays into your card, but it was a new one on me.

How many people who arent geeks like us will spend the time to download another browser

Pretty much everyone I know, for a start. You don't need fancy marketing. You just ask them in a very normal tone of voice whether they've upgraded their browser already or still using the default one.

For those on slow connections, I just give them a CD, either a copy of The Open CD or something similiar. Just burn them a free virus scanner, Firefox, OpenOffice, a free Zip tool and some other useful things on a CD.

Its not that further uncertainty makes the statistics more reliable - it's that the additional uncertainty undermines the claim that the numbers are "inflated" (see subject line). Indeed, in this house, we have one copy installed from the Debian repository, one copy installed from a Knoppix CD, one that's been installed from The Open CD, and possibly one from the FreeBSD archives (I'm not in charge of that machine). Which means that the numbers collected from the activity of this house are most definitely NOT inflated! Quite the opposite, in fact.

Furthermore, like it or not, by giving Apple control over the operating system of your machine you make it possible for them to sabotage any serious competition - look at the history of DR-DOS. Within a single vendor market they also have all the other trade and technology advantages that Microsoft used to lock out the competition, and they're not burdened by a monopoly (i.e. they are less likely to be investigated). Again, political naivete is very dangerous here.

And if Linux does become mainstream, do you really think Adobe and Macromedia will release Photoshop and Flash as open source projects?

Of course not, and I don't want either Adobe PhotoShop or Macromedia Flash. I want free SVG editors, good SVG/SMIL support in browsers, and the GIMP and Krita to become as useful as PS in every way - in many ways, they already are, esp. the GIMP. This can only happen through larger adoption.

If your job absolutely requires you to use PhotoShop, you can use CrossOver Office.

An appealing GUI is obviously important, but Mac users sometimes act like it's all that matters. That bothers me. The rampant homosexuality among Mac users is also slightly disturbing (just kidding).

I can spend my time burning and distributing CDs with OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird to Windows(tm)(r)-owning friends/relatives so that in a year or two their data will be out of Microsoft's(tm)(et-bloody-cetera) clutches.

Have you thought about just downloading and burning TheOpenCD?

I would imagine that would ease the way for a lot of disgruntled Windows users towards Linux, by first giving them a large number of FOSS programs that run in Windows, first.

That's probably a better set of upgrades than ANYTHING MS can come up with.

I use AbiWord all the time but I use it on WinXP. I read somewhere that Gnumeric is going to be ported over which will be great since it's far superior (IMHO) to Excel. Most people hear Open Source and think Linux but there's a project called the OpenCD that's trying to get people weaned off MS by starting at the App level. They have many useful programs on the ISO including AbiWord. BTW OpenOffice is OK but not as good as an AbiWord/Gnumeric combo.

Build software for Windows that people can use without rebuilding their systems. If you do it well enough tell them it's even better on Platform X.

Here's a suggestion to change this.

First, we need a way to make people view web pages in a PNG-compliant browser. Seems to me that the "best viewed at..." lines always seemed to get the public attention toward a specific browser. It worked quite well for IE. People perceived the line as meaning that those web pages used advanced features that only worked in the shiny, new Internet Explorer.

However, now the tables have actually turned. IE is no longer the shiny and new browser. It's getting dated. It no longer supports the internet standards, and MS certainly has more important concerns right now than adding new features to their web browser. It's an open window for any internet jackal to climb in and tear the place apart.

How hard would it be to use PNG, and add the "best viewed" line to make the viewers realize there are new web features that Microsoft (their generic name for the IE browser in this context) doesn't support. When they see the art is off-kilter, they can either tolerate it, or get the recommended browser.

One thing to note is that this will not affect the actual usability of the site. People will still be able to do their shopping, reading or downloading without any issue other than the flawed look to the alpha-transparency graphics. They will see WHY it's best viewed with (insert browser of preference here) and go and get it (especially since it's "free stuff," and when presented as such, it's a major temptation for the customer).

Finally, don't worry about the 90%. It's shrinking now. All you need to worry about is converting those who you know. It's not difficult; just burn a copy of The OpenCD for each person, and allow them to see how easy these programs really are. If someone asks about popup or spyware problems, simply inform them that it's their browser causing these problems, and point them to (insert browser here).

*grin* And if their needs revolve around nothing more than internet access and document creation, you are go for recommending Linux! ;)

If you go the windows route (which frankly I don't recommend) I'd go with OpenOffice, TheOpenCD and Gnuwin II for lots of free software.

Dave.

The OpenCD is the obvious choice. Mod this down if it's already been listed.

CB

you can't program sh*t on a windows install without buying separate software.

• TECHNICAL - things that are difficult-to-impossible for MS-Windows without "special equipment". Stuff like Xnest and User Mode Linux, which are boons for testing end-user and kiosk style applications, or the so-called Backstreet Ruby console project, which allows multiple independent users on one piece of hardware (e.g. two users on a multihead Radeon card). Stuff like "Terminal Services" and DAVfs being intrinsic to the system.
  
• POLITICAL - things like the absence of spyware, a licence agreement which says "if you break it you own both pieces" rather than one which says "your computer is now My Computer", being invented everywhere rather than in [insert name of favourite foreign imperialist infidel country here] - if The Boss drives a Citroën, start with "Where does it come from? France, Finland, Australia, [blah blah long list of places blah]. Oh, and did I mention France?" You can update piecemeal, or more or less at your own speed; since you have all of the pieces, a sizeable organisation could easily afford to settle on a distro and maintain it themselves ad infinitum by updating versions or patching at their discretion.
  
• FINANCIAL - Pretty dang obvious. Pay per user, per cpu, per port, or just for the support you need? Hmmm... let me think, this is a toughie...
  
• ANYTHING BUT MICROSOFT - sad but true. Probably 10% of conversions have this as their primary justification.
  
• CUSTOMISABLE - dislike a feature? Don't just disable it (only to have a user figure out a bypass later), get out your handy-dandy software saw and lop that horrid thing right off!

well, i supose they get to shift the blame, but piracy isn't something that micro$oft can afford to put a stop to, infact they actually encourage piracy in a lot of situations, as it's preferable to having users switch to a legal Free Solution like Linux. At least with pirates they maintain marketshare.

the decision to target the most commonly pirated IDs seems a little odd to me, surely users who just use the first code that appears in a search engine, or that acompanies the P2P download are also those who are less likely capable of securing a system or recognising a worm when it's emailed to them, i guess these could be the best targets for extraction of currency,

The saddest thing about Shuttleworth's Go-Opensource is that is makes no effort to indicate (or show respect for) any Free Software or Open Source foundation, or to acknowledge any of the (many) other South African initiatives that have been promoting OSS over the years.

Although the FAQ provides links to the Free Software Philosophy and the Open Source definition, there are no links to the home pages of gnu.org or opensource.org. In short, this "promotional campaign" doesn't even indicate where you can find authoratative information on what they are promoting.

For a person new to the concept of FLOSS, SourceForge and Freshmeat (the only suggestions for finding Open Source software given in the FAQ) are really bad places to start. They are riddled with poor quality software, and can give a really bad impression. Links to TheOpenCD or another site that lists specific, mature and useful software would be far more valuable.

The are various organisations in South Africa that support Open Source (to varying degrees). Bridges.org has offices in the country, and supports the use of free (as in beer) software of various types, including FLOSS. There are many LUGs around the country, and a wealth of information is available from TLUG in particular.

Ultimately go-opensource provides some pretty layout, but no meat, or even directions to a butchery.

When installing a Windows PC, it's a good idea to have The OpenCD handy. It includes (among other things) CDEx, Mozilla, GIMP, PuTTY, TightVNC and WinPT.

TheOpenCd

I am sure that before I have finished writing this comment many people will have already suggested GNUWin, TheOpenCD, Knoppix, Morphix, Dyne:bolic, Debian and GNU CDs but instead of jumping on the bandwagon and posting links to them (even though with no doubt those are great examples of software which every library should definitely have) I will suggest including some software which is less popular but which students might learn much more from (and in the end, is that not the whole purpose of a library?), id est: Debian GNU/Hurd, OpenBSD and EROS. Lots of useful software one can buy with a magazine, but these systems are much harder to find, while much more revolutionary and unquestionably invaluable if we want people to actually learn something important instead of only "clicking" the mouse. It is also very important to note that these systems would introduce students to real security, something which is hard to find and understand, yet even much harder to overestimate in the terrorism era and the invasion of our privacy with things like NSAKEY in Windows and NSAttributedString in Mac OS X. That is why I think that actively promoting them in every library would be the most insightful idea.

For more information, check out www.theopencd.org

so, you want to do what, make a distro totally dedicated to Gaming? a full installable distro, or just another Morphix Games LiveCD, if the former i really see little point, while Games are lovely to have around, and most linux distros give you a good handful of nice games(Frozen Bubble is apparantly very popular among new converts) but also allow you to do plenty of useful tasks on the same operating system, with this idea of run the risk of relegating Linux to simply booting up and playing games.

of course, if you're looking to improve upon Morphix Games, that's great, making the overall user experience a little more pleasant, and ensuring that games are really good enough for the general public, that's a great idea, it's the kind of thing you can give away in addition to Gnoppix, TheOpenCD, or whatever else. infact, it might be something worth putting in the handout pack for SoftwareFreedomDay

With the tab-based browsing in Mozilla (along with other features), IE is painful to use IMHO. Along with Linux CDs, I also burn some Win-Mozilla CDs to give to people so they can break the M$ habit.

Why not go further and make it easier on yourself by giving them The Open CD. Its got a heap of open source software in a very tidy package.[ It doesn't have Firefox yet, it waits for stable packages.]
Alan

Exactly. I'm sure Microsoft will find a clever way of funneling people to their search site using IE, on any 404 error for example.

I think Google and Mozilla should team up before it's too late. Mozilla should have Google.com as the default homepage (I certainly do that anyway) and Google should put in a small link recomending that people use Mozilla.

- Henrik
TheOpenCD.org

I had a similar experience. I installed Mozilla off the Open CD, and turned on the pop-up blocker for them, making it the default browser. Then they had some Outlook Express-related e-mail problem (I go in baby steps with them. I wasn't about to make them switch e-mail software too.), and at some point the ISP tech-support people made them find IE to access their e-mail (on SBC Yahoo!, which of course works with Mozilla no problem), and so now they have started using it instead.

well, that's fine, but Konq can't be ported to win32 unless someone throws some money at the developers to pay trolltech's fee(and goes easy on the GPL compliance) for a win32 version of Qt, and anyway, i've never found konq's rendering speed any better than the competition, the only major difference is it's poor page rendering, especially with CSS.

have you tried either K-Meleon on win32 or Galeon/epiphany on *nix? these all perform great from my experience, and i probably use mozilla proper less than the others on linux.

grabbing attention and porting to other platforms is a great reason for a port, but not a Qt port, at the moment there's no free win32 version of Qt and all the KDE apps already run on linux, so it's pretty much the end of the line.

i'm not trying to get at either Konq or NS3, but this whole licensing thing has done nothing but annoy me, especially since i've worked on a project to put out a collection of opensource win32 software, TheOpenCD, and have had to turn down apps developed with Qt on win32 because of the license.

I was person in Scotland. I mentioned having TheOpenCD available for sale rather than for lending in 2 of local libraries in my area that I know some who works there and has been giving OpenOffice.org training at them. This is coming to end now. I hope to get some of properly pressed copies of TheOpenCD that have been done by TheOpenCD bods in Oxford into a bookshop here in Edinburgh where I know owner as well.

I think it was good that it was OpenOffice.org alone on cdrom for lending, as OpenOffice.org 1.1 will have a longer shelf life than some of things included in TheOpenCD such as WinPT and Putty where it would not be good to have it still on shelve if security upgrade availiable.
A autorun pop up installer menu like opencd would have been good, with the tutorials etc. but I think Bob Kerr included some quality extras, as well as source to show the principle, that it is there like ability to look inside a car as a guantee that software will not divide and dominate it users.

It is good to be able to say to libraries with certainity cone can about openoffice.org about how the product is widely used/tested, supported and backed by large orgs and companies. Without having to disclaim that some of other things on cdrom might not have as high level of sort of support people might ask.

I think it makes more sense as far as libaires go to have different free software apps (windows versions) each on differnet cdrom in dvd case each with own cover and little booklet insert. After all it has been shown that materials are not greatest costs. The most important thing is how libraries work as far as lending goes. The OpenOffice.org DVD case covers and cdroms themeselves look great.

I know TheOpenCD does not fall into trap of GnuWin of trying to fill cdrom with allsorts of software for sake of it. And only chooses mature apps that fit in with intended audience. But there may be more focus needed to do a lib lending special version of TheOpenCD. I may put more musing on this up on TheOpenCD forums in new year as they move to v1.4

I was person in Scotland. I mentioned having TheOpenCD available for sale rather than for lending in 2 of local libraries in my area that I know some who works there and has been giving OpenOffice.org training at them. This is coming to end now. I hope to get some of properly pressed copies of TheOpenCD that have been done by TheOpenCD bods in Oxford into a bookshop here in Edinburgh where I know owner as well.

I think it was good that it was OpenOffice.org alone on cdrom for lending, as OpenOffice.org 1.1 will have a longer shelf life than some of things included in TheOpenCD such as WinPT and Putty where it would not be good to have it still on shelve if security upgrade availiable.
A autorun pop up installer menu like opencd would have been good, with the tutorials etc. but I think Bob Kerr included some quality extras, as well as source to show the principle, that it is there like ability to look inside a car as a guantee that software will not divide and dominate it users.

It is good to be able to say to libraries with certainity cone can about openoffice.org about how the product is widely used/tested, supported and backed by large orgs and companies. Without having to disclaim that some of other things on cdrom might not have as high level of sort of support people might ask.

I think it makes more sense as far as libaires go to have different free software apps (windows versions) each on differnet cdrom in dvd case each with own cover and little booklet insert. After all it has been shown that materials are not greatest costs. The most important thing is how libraries work as far as lending goes. The OpenOffice.org DVD case covers and cdroms themeselves look great.

I know TheOpenCD does not fall into trap of GnuWin of trying to fill cdrom with allsorts of software for sake of it. And only chooses mature apps that fit in with intended audience. But there may be more focus needed to do a lib lending special version of TheOpenCD. I may put more musing on this up on TheOpenCD forums in new year as they move to v1.4

Each time I demonstrate Open Office to a friend, they are surprised that such an interoperable (With MS Office) office suite exists. My favorite is to provide them with a copy of the Open CD, which has a number of free and Open Source Software distributions.

Interesting.

I'd really like to see the breakdown of expenditures for that money, but the Budget Status reports for the San Francisco United School District don't seem to be available. The server that hosts them is down -- and anyway, based on the filenames in the URL, you need some sort of user account to access that information anyway.

I see that the SFUSD is developing a Master Technology Plan, with the avowed purpose of putting together a scheme that ". . . may result in operational savings to recover the cost of technology investments by the District." They also hope to qualify for technology grants, probably of the sort discussed in the article that started this whole discussion. They're holding public forums to discuss their technology plan, starting next February.

Perhaps it would be a good idea for some open source advocates in the area to attend some of these. Take along CDs full of open source software for Windows. Try The OpenCD. The schools are certain to have an existing investment in Windows, and would be highly suspicious of a switch to desktop Linux. But at the same time, they may be willing to experiment with OSS on an existing platform.

OpenOffice.org, for example, might be a good way of avoiding upgrade fees for MS Office. It would also open up the possibility of switching to Linux without losing a familiar app later on. Potential problems with this might include 1) distribution to students so they can use it at home (though I bet burning CDs in bulk is cheaper than buying MS Office); and 2) existing contractual obligations with MS or a reseller might make it unfeasible to switch at this time.

At any rate, it can't hurt to show up at a forum, say your piece, and give them a disc full of OSS to play with.

I've tried a good deal of the stuff listed. The following are the most intuitive, free, software products I have encountered. They increase productivity, and are stable.

Freeware List: If you can think of it, it's in here.
OpenCD: Precompiled CD with all open source software.
Doom9.org: Famed site for lots of media tools.
Trillian: AIM, ICQ, IRC, MSN, Yahoo! IM software all in one.
AVG Anti-Virus: Free AV
SpyBot (Spam Remover): Free Spam Remover/Search & Destroy
Firebird: Web browser w/ adblock & popup control.
FileZilla FTP: FTP Client
Smart FTP: Free Client, better looking, faster
Kerio: Personal Firewall, better than ZoneAlarm
Textpad: Text Editor.
PuTTY: SSH Client.
CygWin: Linux emulation.
FFDshow: DivX/XVid decoder.
TweakUI: Microsoft's famed Powertoy for Windows XP.
WinAce: Fast, high-compression (40% smaller, faster compression than ZIP).
WinAmp: MP3 player, with this skin.
dBpowerAMP: Music Converter (copies CDs to MP3)

One last thing, don't use Outlook. Find a better program: Eudora, Thunderbird, or PegasusMail (in that order) are safer/more powerful. Windows comes bundled with great software, just like Mandrake - but their internet package leaves much (security) to be desired.

GNU Win II is even better than The Open CD (unless you need the source code).
See the list of GNUWinII applications.

"I keep a CD of free Windows software for people (helpful when I build them a new PC.)"

A good version of this is The OpenCD for people who want ideas, or to check your own "useful programs" CD against what other people are using.

(disclaimer: one of my programs was on the suggestions list for theopencd)

Your one stop GPL-for-Windows shop. It doesn't look like they've included the most recent versions of most programs, but it does give some great leads.

The OpenCD Project

It was previously mentioned on /. ... and is somewhat old, but TheOpenCD is a great place for open-source Windows software.

Check out GnuWinII and The Open CD.

1. Get them down to one remote - Nice receiver, learning remote - properly programmed, buttons all labeled
2. DVR - TiVo or Replay TV, its a must have. Enable the 30 second skip button on the TiVo remote.
3. Adjust the TV properly - turn the sharpness the whole way down, go through all the test patterns and balance the colors.

1. Open source software - Install software from the Open CD, Linux if they are up for it..
2. Decruft the mouse and keyboard (although even most geeks could use this)
3. A decent home network, add more computers as needed.
4. A nice office chair and good ergonomics - switch them over to the dvorak keybord and make them practice.

1. Print out list of all pizza delivery options
2. Stock fridge with Mt. Dew and Guinness.

1. Pocket Protector ;-)

I do vote with my wallet. I buy almost every copy of RedHat. I switched almost our entire business over to RedHat from Windows and NetWare.

I was speaking WRT hardware vendors. ATI is a great example of what I mean. Their cards are technically superior to nVidia's, but I won't buy them because their Linux support, while getting better certainly, simply isn't up to snuff yet. I haven't heard of any RH/ATI problems specifically, but I've seen enough posts to the ut2003 Linux mailing list about ATI related problems to give me a sense that ATI isn't putting as much into Linux as they should be. (To be honest, though, ATI's driver situation was what kept me on nVidia when I was a Windows user, so I think their problem goes deeper than simple lack of dedication to Linux.)

I have found that people will look at alternative software, BUT they don't want to change everything at one time. If they can change the OS and keep almost everything else then they would prefer to do that. Then over time they can look at alternatives like OpenOffice.

I usually take the reverse tack, presenting things like OpenOffice and Mozilla as alternatives to their MS equivalents, reasoning that if the major apps they use everyday are available on both platforms then the OS transition will go almost unnoticed. That's how I did it with my wife, and it worked out pretty well. All I had to show her was how to log me out of WindowMaker so she could log herself in on KDE.

BTW, this idea was blatantly stolen from the OpenCD project, which is an excellent place to find FOSS for Windows.

How hard is it to put in an a href??? Now every person who wants to visit your links will have to copy and paste them. And to top it off the second one won't even work because the crappy Slashdot software put a space in it.

http://www.theopencd.org/mirrors.php
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/1.0.2/in dex.html

I've been trying to migrate people _away_ from windows, this only makes it easier for them to stay ;-)

I disagree. Take a longer term view. This makes it easier for them to leave Windows. Nothing happens overnight. And won't happen as quickly as I would like.

While so much noise and attention is being focused on Linux, I think the biggest threat to Microsoft is, once again, sneaking in under the radar. (Step 1: First they ignore you.) The biggest threat: cross-over applications. Stuff like OpenOffice. Or the GIMP. (And yes, I understand that GIMP is not a competitor to professional Photoshop users.)

It seems like more and more cross platform tools and toolkits are available. This was once the holy grail, and there were basically NO solutions. Now, a recent slashdot article reveals many ways to develop cross platform applications and gui's.

KDE and Qt are both being ported to Win32 (with GPL license). At some point, expect a flood of KDE applications, including another free KOffice suite, to be available for Windows. Other projects such as The Open CD and GNU Win II only help accellerate the acceptance of not only free, but open source applications by ordinary windows users.

Eventually, users recognize: hey the OS is irrelevant!

In the meantime, Linux on the desktop will have improved a great deal. Or instead, perhaps the recent RelaxOS?

Well, there is always The Open CD

And of course I have to mention my site that lists open source software for Windows.

• Installing a dual-boot system is hard. (I failed several times myself.)
• Installing apps is often a hassle.
• Peripherals are often a hassle.

I think the best way to proselytize is to give a non-geek friend a copy of a CD with some open-source Windows apps on it:

• The Open CD
• GNUWin

Somehow I hadn't heard of (or forgot about) TheOpenCD.

I'm vaguely familiar (as in, two of my apps are included in, and I just submitted many more to) the GNUWin II CD. It's the same idea. A CD of Open Source software we all use and love; just Windows versions of them.

I guess I'm going to have to find someone who runs Windows and have them nominate some of my ported games to TheOpenCD. :^)

From the What is TheOpenCD website:

"It also includes a selection of essays about Open Source philosophy, and links to other programs that might be of interest."

I'm sorry, but what is exactly open source philosophy? Open source is about technical and economical advantages. Free software is about philosophy. Please do not flame me for saying the obvious. When Eric Raymond took Debian Free Software Guidelines and published them as Open Source Definition in 1998 he did it exactly because he wanted free software without the strong philosophy associated with the "free software" term since at least the announcement of the GNU Project in 1983.

I think that TheOpenCD project should not talk about philosophy if they want to promote the open source movement. But if they think that the philosophy is important, then they should promote the free software movement and change their name to TheFreeCD. Because the philosophy is exactly the difference between free software and open source movements. If they talk about "open source philosophy" they are being against the main priciples of both movements.

TheOpenCD project people should read these books:

• The Cathedral and the Bazaar: Musings on Linux and Open Source by an Accidental Revolutionary by Eric S. Raymond (online version)
• Free as in Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software by Sam Williams (online version)
• Free Software, Free Society: Selected Essays of Richard M. Stallman by Richard M. Stallman (GNU philosophy website, book CVS source)

Those books are not very long, but they provide enough background to let avoid using such unfortunate oxymorons like "open source philosophy." I strongly respect both free software and open source movements and I can not stay ignorant when people insult any of them, while the term "open source philosophy" insults both.