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http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,9 79827,00.html

here?

For those who don't know much about Falun Gong. Here is a link to an interview with Li Hongzhi (the leader of Falun Gong) by Time in 1999 (just before Fa Lungong was banned in China). The following conversation on the 3rd page is particularly entertaining:

I'm actually blown away by some of the other Google results:

http://www.threadless.com/submission/33582.html

http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1101040920 ,00.html

The definition of "sex" provided to Clinton was:

"[A] person engages in "sexual relations" when the person knowingly engages in or causes -- contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person . . . . "Contact" means intentional touching, either directly or through clothing."

http://www.time.com/time/daily/scandal/starr_repor t/files/6narrit.htm#L13

A footnote explains that the definition mirrors a federal criminal statute, 18 U.S.C. 2246(3). The ellipsis in the quotation omits two paragraphs of the definition that Judge Wright ruled inapplicable.

Clinton claimed that Lewinsky was "engaging in a sexual relations", but at the same moment, he was not. But, even if we set aside the absurdity of this claim, it contradicted his deposition in a earlier case involving Paula Jones.

In that deposition, under oath, Clinton testified that Lewinsky's affidavit denying any sexual relationship was "absolutely true". By subsequently admitting that she did actually engage in an allegedly one-side sexual relationship, he committed perjury: both statements cannot be true.

Of course, these two allegations are only two of the eleven different potential grounds for impeachment that were detailed in the Starr Report.

It was a fanciful dream that just doesn't work. Too many parts, too much work that has to be done in turning it around for each launch.

With all the work that goes into taking it apart, refurbishing, and rebuilding, and then re-testing, before each launch, you could build a disposable launch vehicle that would be simpler, hence more reliable. This would also translate into larger payloads for less $$$.

You'd think that they'd apply the same techniques that have made computers, televisions, etc. more reliable (reduced part counts, etc).

I love how it mentions WiX. WiX has generated enormously good will for microsoft, at least with me.

I don't ever see them releasing all of windows open source, but just releasing small utilities like that open source for others to toy with is a HUGE step forward. Pretend that microsoft hadn't released WiX, and it stayed as time called it, insignificant. No one would have bothered with it except MCP's and others, and they would have used WinInstall LE or whatever.

But because microsoft released it free and OSS, an enormous buzz has been generated and an enormous amount of good will as well.

Maybe the governor wants to save bandwidth for drug company spam? After all, Utah has the highest consumption of Prozac among its populace in the entire nation. I'm sure all that net porn is obviously to blame, but I can't imagine with so many ADHD kids in the state that they could even sit still long enough to download porn.

The Reverend Franklin Graham called Islam a 'very evil and wicked religion' and said the Qur'an, Islam's revealed text, 'preaches violence.'

Converts are usually the most enthusiastic members of any faith. They often try the hardest to share what they now have with others. But you'll have to look a long, long time before you find another faith which motivates its converts to try to blow up airliners.

You'll find plenty more examples here, including examples of broad support for terrorism among Muslims even in the west. Also see The Middle East Media Research Institute.

... the responses have shown me that you, as a community, are ignoring the rotting buffalo carcass in the living room that is the very real hate-mongering within your ranks.

Defending the indefensible is great training for second-class citizenship under Islam (dhimmi status; also see here).

Here's the article from Time's online archive (you need to pay for the full article, but the first paragraph matches).

"The reason women are underrepresented in computer science and engineering is not because they can't do it. It's because of the way they're taught."

I call BULLSHIT.

I'll get around to reading the statements from those scientific organizations right after I wade through all of the statements from the scientific organizations who claim that smoking cigarettes has nothing to do with lung cancer. Let's look at some facts, according to NASA it takes 2.5 people just to maintain ISS. Right now there are only two crewmembers on the station, how much science are they getting done? Somehow I don't think that they're working on any cancer cures or new energy sources up there, although they do apparently have enough food now.

My favorite is probably the protein crystallization studies. For the expense of shipping up the basic equipment and samples of various diseases, they've grown several dozen crystals of pathogen surface proteins that notably higher purity and size than we have ever been able to do on Earth. What does this mean? It means that we've been able to identify a number of surface proteins that we weren't able to on Earth (via x-ray crystallography), consequently allowing us to produce drugs to target those diseases.

Really, name them. Which stage are the clinical trials in? What is the efficacy of these drugs? What is their efficacy compared to other compounds that were developed in terrestrial labs? Tell me and anyone on this forum that the scientific return from ISS is as great as that from Hubble, Galileo, Cassini/Huygens or the Mars Rovers.

ISS is a joke, and it's not very funny. We had a comparable space station 30 years ago, it was called Skylab, we launched it in an afternoon and the incompetent dickheads at NASA let it fall out of the sky one day back in 1979 because they couldn't be bothered to get off their asses and develop a salvage plan.

How much are you getting paid by NASA Rei? Jesus, you have not only drank the cyanide laced purple Kool-Aid, you've licked your Dixie cup clean and gone back for seconds.

Not in inflation-adjusted dollars. Not to mention, it was Congress who pushed for ISS. NASA, if you'll recall, doesn't operate with a free hand on large-scale budget decisions.

This is disingenious at best. NASA isn't just handed a budget by Congress and told to do things without having any input as to what the agency's focus will be. If you believe this then you're more of an idiot than I thought and need to take some basic civics courses.

Yeah, destroy the organization that developed almost all of the tech that private companies involved in rocketry are using (you are aware, are you not, that the majority of NASA's funding goes to research, right? They're not some big space-cargo company). The organization with the best safety record in space among all of the world's space agencies. Etc. Great plan there. And replace it with what, persay?

I think you meant per se, which is strange because that's Latin for "by itself". Perhaps you meant "pray tell".

Joyrides from Scaled?

I find it interesting that the success of Scaled Composites with their X prize entry has driven a certain kind of NASA fanboy completely and totally apeshit. Bert Rutan launched a sub-orbital vehicle that cost 20 million dollars. 20 million dollars is what NASA spends supplying ISS with bottled water for six weeks. (source).

Should we launch our cargo on Ariane-V, with its 15-20% failure rate? Should we send craft to Mars with the Russian space agency, who had a 2% are standard. If Boeing or Lockheed (or about a dozen other companies in the US, Europe, and Russia) could, they would, and everyone would flock to them.

More lying, dishonest disingenuity

Whose G O D ?

Apple's apologists would say that by virtue of the fact they offer an alternative to the Mephistophelean M$, makes them a noble and well hearted corporation

This picture sums up the REAL relationship between Apple and Microsoft

Disney's had this for a year or so...
http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invdinosa ur.html

I followed your link and went to the link "data", and selected the first glacial data link I could find.

While the statement "some glaciers are receding, some aren't" is certainly not wrong, as in any year you can certainly find at least one glacier, which hasn't receeded this year.

However, looking at the graph above, I think the statement "glaciers are receeding" paint an fairly accurate picture of the general situation.

The antarctic glaciers, however, are certainly receeding,

> its coastal ice pack is thicker than ever.

Maybe because of the receeding glacier, the coastal lines calves the thinner ice shelves, and only the thicker parts of the glacier remain?

> Global warming would [...]. Global cooling, on the other hand, [...]

What makes that scenario more likely than the reverse? From an Alaskian point of view warmer weather probably means better agriculture. But from an African point of view, I guess the reverse is the case.

If you look at the timeline, you see that Schlaich Bergermann und Partner probably learned of the device from the patent publication---no patent, no publication, no prototype in Spain in 1981/82. Now Schlaich Bergermann are the consulting engineers on the project.

As someone who works in the academic world, where the currency is credit for ideas, I would have liked to see some credit going to my father, when, for example, Time chose this project as one of its Best Inventions of 2002 (with Joerg Schlaich listed as "inventor"!).

The U.S. official said a large percentage of the accounts are for the Pentagon but that some 40 federal agencies and other entities are affected. Some of the tapes related to non-federal card-holders, the official added. Trower would not comment on which agencies are affected, referring questions to the General Services Administration. A GSA spokesperson had no immediate response to an inquiry about the matter, including whether any of the Pentagon's billions of dollars in secret "black" programs could be affected. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said the data loss includes files on 900,000 of the Pentagon's three million or so military and civilian workers. "It is a significant number of the Department's employees," he said, declining to say whether it affected any who are working undercover.
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A New Cyber-Security Breach Bank of America says at least 1.2 million federal employee credit card accounts may be exposed to theft or hacking

I don't know if Microsoft software and the associated security holes are behind any of these very serious hacks, but if they are, what about that new Microsoft policy? They do have buckets of cash after all.

Interesting definition of a weak candidate. Some how the fact that Bush did not complete his duty in the Texas National Guard seems to evade you and the fact that you bought into the RNC spin and Swift Boat baloney really is quite telling about your ability to make clear reasoned judgments. Its amazing that as a U.S.M.C you're more impressed with a man who's family had political connections to get him out of Vietnam tour of duty versus a man who volunteered to go to Vietnam to serve.

I am a Libertarian
That explains so much. Libertarians are the polar opposites of communists, both however share quixotic notions of their utopian societies.

Let me lay the facts down for you buddy, since you're highly confused watching your Fox News propaganda. We went into Iraq because we had incorrect intelligence that Saddam had WMDs. Are you with me so far? Then after looking like a bunch of morons to the rest of the world who we gave the finger to (e.g. "Old Europe") for starting a preemptive war that was clearly unjustified. The administration puts the spin on it that it was all about promoting freedom in the middle east. Okay ... now for the bad news.

You many come down on democracy all you want. However, democracy is truly the most peaceful system around. Most nations that deal with one another in a democratic fashion will almost never resort to war
Lets talk about freedom and democracy for a second since thats what both you and I can agree that is a good thing. Why is it that we support and ally with a military dictator who over threw the democratically elected leader in a coup d'etat on one side of the world and who's country has been selling nukes to all the pariah nations. Then using questionable intelligence invade another country that didn't have nukes and then put the spin on it by declaring the promotion of "freedom" and "democracy" in the middle east. I fail to see how the public don't see this glaring irony. By the way has anyone see Bin Laden around?

The Man Who Sold the Bomb

Khan's Dangerous Game

Musharraf Named in Nuclear ProbeFebruary 3, 2004

Pakistan Ended Aid to Taliban Only Hesitantly December 8, 2001

Musharraf: Bin Laden may be dead23 December, 2001

Pakistan's leader thinks bin Laden deadJanuary 18, 2002

Bin Laden trail is cold, Musharraf admitsDecember 6, 2004

A Hostile Land Foils the Quest for bin LadenDecember 13, 2004

Protest at Musharraf's army role 19 December, 2004
So much for us supporting "democracy" and "freedom"

With North Korea's recent declaration of possessing nuclear weapons. One should stop to ask Pakistan's military or ISI (Intra Service Intelligence) how the hell N. Korea, Libya and Iran all got their nuclear weapons. How Pakistan traded their nuclear know how for N. Korea's medium range missiles.

The best part of all this is that A.Q. Khan, the father of the Pakistan atomic bomb is consider to be a "hero" in his home country and is

Interesting definition of a weak candidate. Some how the fact that Bush did not complete his duty in the Texas National Guard seems to evade you and the fact that you bought into the RNC spin and Swift Boat baloney really is quite telling about your ability to make clear reasoned judgments. Its amazing that as a U.S.M.C you're more impressed with a man who's family had political connections to get him out of Vietnam tour of duty versus a man who volunteered to go to Vietnam to serve.

I am a Libertarian
That explains so much. Libertarians are the polar opposites of communists, both however share quixotic notions of their utopian societies.

Let me lay the facts down for you buddy, since you're highly confused watching your Fox News propaganda. We went into Iraq because we had incorrect intelligence that Saddam had WMDs. Are you with me so far? Then after looking like a bunch of morons to the rest of the world who we gave the finger to (e.g. "Old Europe") for starting a preemptive war that was clearly unjustified. The administration puts the spin on it that it was all about promoting freedom in the middle east. Okay ... now for the bad news.

You many come down on democracy all you want. However, democracy is truly the most peaceful system around. Most nations that deal with one another in a democratic fashion will almost never resort to war
Lets talk about freedom and democracy for a second since thats what both you and I can agree that is a good thing. Why is it that we support and ally with a military dictator who over threw the democratically elected leader in a coup d'etat on one side of the world and who's country has been selling nukes to all the pariah nations. Then using questionable intelligence invade another country that didn't have nukes and then put the spin on it by declaring the promotion of "freedom" and "democracy" in the middle east. I fail to see how the public don't see this glaring irony. By the way has anyone see Bin Laden around?

The Man Who Sold the Bomb

Khan's Dangerous Game

Musharraf Named in Nuclear ProbeFebruary 3, 2004

Pakistan Ended Aid to Taliban Only Hesitantly December 8, 2001

Musharraf: Bin Laden may be dead23 December, 2001

Pakistan's leader thinks bin Laden deadJanuary 18, 2002

Bin Laden trail is cold, Musharraf admitsDecember 6, 2004

A Hostile Land Foils the Quest for bin LadenDecember 13, 2004

Protest at Musharraf's army role 19 December, 2004
So much for us supporting "democracy" and "freedom"

With North Korea's recent declaration of possessing nuclear weapons. One should stop to ask Pakistan's military or ISI (Intra Service Intelligence) how the hell N. Korea, Libya and Iran all got their nuclear weapons. How Pakistan traded their nuclear know how for N. Korea's medium range missiles.

The best part of all this is that A.Q. Khan, the father of the Pakistan atomic bomb is consider to be a "hero" in his home country and is

Essentially the same thing was reported in the October 2002 issue of Scientific American. Time picked up on it the following year, as schmobag pointed out earlier.

This is certainly an admirable refinement of the experiment, but it is certainly not exactly new, either. It's a better robotic arm, a different monkey, and a different university (the original experiment was at Duke University, this one's at U. of Pittsburgh), but monkey robot arms are not a new phenomenon at all.

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1 005971,00.html

As a bona fide news junkie, my opinion after watching this guy across many networks for the last several years is that he is most interested in his own reputation. Not by exhibiting stellar ethics or by being correct on the issues, but by gilding the facts to best deflect the personal criticism of the moment.

As far as his statements in S.F. regarding Microsoft's security practices, he has a good point. But said security practices are so bad, someone mentioning it is akin to a toddler informing me that water is wet... it doesn't take a highly developed intellect to come to the conclusion.

Considering Richard Clarke's Clintonesque respect for 'the facts', why would anyone give him a serious ear? Most especially on a topic where he isn't saying something both true and unique from what other people are saying.

The left in America (I'm sorry, the People's Republic of America) seem to love the guy, but for the open minded who desire to learn more about him I submit:
Time Magazine article from 03/2004
Security Focus from 02/2003
The Daily Standard from 03/2004

Ethical men give you the facts like a recording, beware of folks who's version of what they call 'facts' develop over time, especially when they take a self serving direction.

...who is laughing all the way to the bank...

Stephen McInthyre

...who is funded by Exxon. He's part of the same gang as Soon, Baliunas, LeGates et al either funded by Bush administration, American Petroleum Institute, the coal industry or whatever...

On the other hand, there are literally hundreds of thousands of real scientists (not just people dubbing themselves 'doctor' or 'climatologist' or whatever), who all seem to agree that yes, the globe is warming at an alarming rate and that it's pretty much too late now. It doesn't mean we shouldn't cut our losses, however.

But Netcraft confirms it, mail.fbi.gov is dead!

So are Paul McCartney, God, and BSD(Yay Slashdot!).

Quit flogging your Haliburton horse, it's long since dead. You are really showing your ignorance.

I didn't mention Haliburton. I also didn't direct my comment to any branch of the government. And no, the issue is not dead. There are alot of questions to be resolved.

That situation is VERY closely monitored by the Government and by the Defense and Government contractor Industry.

Yeah I've something about that. Maybe they should hire more foxes to guard the hen house.

Congress "critters" seem to get around this by not sending the money to a specific company but wording legislation to award $$$ to firms that operate in thier state,

Well thats one example. But there are worse examples....like Bill Tauzin negotiating a job as a lobbyist for the drug industry while serving as chairman of the commitee in charge of overseeing that industry (and crafting the perscription drug bill).

Case in point. Read this time article from before PS2 came out:

http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/2000/0320/j apan.sony.html

Don't believe it till you are holding it in your hands.

Is there any scientific evidence that a Day 5 blastocyst is NOT a live human being?

Um, yeah. A blastocyst is undifferentiated. No heart, no parts, just a blob of cells. Do you think your sperm are little people ?

How can pro-life groups be against IVF, if it results in birth?

They are against it because fertilized eggs are destroyed in the process. Some more here, and a few notes on blasts as well.

I know this is a long article to read, and I know the slashdot blurb suggests it's about the internet, but if you RTFA, you'll see it barely touches on the internet, and that when it does so it does so in an even-handed way, and that the reporter even goes so far as to suggest that internet porn might help relieve urges rather than encourage them (though the experts quickly say that this is not the case, that porn in fact fans the flames of illicit desire).

Anyway, I'm as anxious as the next guy to talk about the ways the old media likes to attack the new, but in this case, you're way off the mark. The article is mostly a case-study and personal story of one man. If you're looking for an easy anti-internet sexual sensationalism target, you'll have to look elsewhere.

He worked as a patent clerk - guess that was before the patent system went downhill ;)

This is not a slashdot issue. Just because the people are writing software, doesn't mean it is a technological issue.

TIME magazine published a good article on the blog phenomenon which actually mentions Slashdot indirectly by the second sentence. With around half a million viewers a day, it is one of the most influential blogs on the net, and posting "Ask Slashdot" stories draws upon the collective participation of that large userbase. Despite the flaming and trolling, it is pretty fascinating to see the occasional informative comment in discussions that sometimes go beyond the scope of technological topics. There have already been several replies to this submission from people who have been in the same situation. I've personally been surprised by comments; I once suddenly found myself in an informative discussion, getting some really good advice from a surgeon about my dad's osteoarthritis just in the comments section.

Shame on you.

It's nicer to end comments with a smiley :)

Bush may not hate old people, but he certainly wants to plunder Social Security.

How do you explain Congress, not the President, spending money that was supposed to be saved for social security, for YEARS now? Did Bush secretly orchestrate this? How can Bush want to plunder SS? It's already been plundered!

Remember, Bush and his supporters are ideological conservatives, and as such they are ideologically opposed to "wasteful" social programs, because they believe that giving things that aren't earned to people is immoral (fostering dependency).

I think conservatives would rather the government keep their nose out of their finances, and allow them to spend their money the way they see fit, including giving to the charities they wish.

Social Security is by far the most successful U.S. social program ever, in that it has fostered a tremendous increase in the standard of living for retirees.

I guess you received your latest issue of Time magazine, which you seem to be parroting above. Then allow me to parrot Neal Boortz's column from today, where he correctly points out that in fact, the best social program ever devised is actually Capitalism.

"The best social program ever is a system of economic liberty featuring capitalism and free enterprise operating under a system based on the rule of law. No program, private or public, has ever done so much to raise so many from the depths of poverty and despair as has capitalism. When the government steps aside and lets free people react freely with one another, amazing things happen. It's really too bad that Americans have fallen out of love with freedom and so in love with government-provided security."

Sure they do. Just not the kind of spending they like. Liberal politicians would love to eliminate spending for missile defence, and conservatives want to eliminate spending for Head Start.

Show me the last time Congress reduced spending on anything? Even when they lie and claim they are cutting spending, which is rare, what they are really doing is just cutting the PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE they are giving that funding for the year. Since most programs have something built in to guarantee them a certain "raise" every year. It'd be like if you had an agreement on a 5% raise every year from your boss, and then he tells you he's going to cut your salary next year -- you'll only be getting a 2.5% raise. Did he really cut your salary? Nope.

Idealistically you may be right, where you are painting the dems/repubs, but in reality, both sides are most interested in pork barrel spending increases, year after year.

This statement is just plain wrong. If it were true, there would be more people over 65 than there are in the work force 18-65, which just doesn't compute. There will be a bubble, where they ratio may drop to 2 workers to 1 retiree, but it's temporary.

You are correct, I mis-spoke, what I meant to say was the amount paid out will be more than what is taken in. And that is also presuming they'll stop spending the SS money coming in...

70 years? Where did that come from? Ah yes. 1935. The Great Depression. Americans were literally starving in the streets.

There's a reason for government spending and social programs. It's to smooth out the peaks and valleys in the natural economic system.

Where is the proof that government needs to be in charge of this? Where is the basis for it in the Constitution. I am of the mind that private charities and businesses can handle this burden without a caretaker government.

You sound like you've been reading too many White House or Cato Institute press releases. The system is not broken. There is no crisis. This "crisis" is being manufactured by the right-wing because that's the only way they'll convince moderates to go along with such a risky, reactionary, and thoughoughly unecessary return to 1929.

Jobs' personal attitude to leaks is well known, it's amazing nothing was done sooner. Nick must have a lot of chutzpah to leak big news like the iPod, the Mac Mini...

I certainly don't think it's a publicity grab by Apple. C'mon. As if Jobs doesn't already have the media dancing to his tune! This is the guy who gets Time covers synchronised to the day of his product launches.

Oh but you can!

When you add up the casualties from Gulf War I ~158,000 and the casualties from the latest conflict ~98,000 you can easily match the numbers from the typhone. The difference is that humans planned and carried these things and not mother nature.

Donate!.

Those pests are responsible for more deaths than any single other cause world wide causing numerous diseases including malaria which infects 5% of the worlds population last year

This is larger than AIDS, imagine unleashing these bots in mosquite infested areas and have them gobble them up and fuel themselves.

Article on Philo Farnsworth.

Why Hitler was not Person of the Century

They've got a lot of fascinating discussion of the century and the people who shaped it, I've gotten sucked back into reading it just while finding the proper links.

your link is defunct, the correct link is http://www.time.com/time/reports/v21/science/aster oid.html

Person of the Week: Kofi Annan... http://www.time.com/time/pow/article/0,8599,165905 ,00.html

Even Adolf Hitler was Time Magazine's man of the year in 1938.

because he was scared of the communist boogieman

That's a funny way of describing the style of government that left millions of people destitute, even before its "fall."

Sigh.... Beautiful, intelligent, wise, incorruptible. ... The Finns get a politician who appears to be the model for Galadriel in LotR and in the UK we get Arlene McCarthy. Great.

One major underwriter was Lloyd's of London, who rather famously agreed to pay all claims in full.

To the contrary, all available evidence shows that Malthus was mistaken to extend his results to humans. Julian Simon, the Doomslayer, proved the folly of applying Malthus to human population.

advances in technology over the past 150 years or so have simply forestalled what is otherwise inevitable.

More than mere forstalling, advances in technology have radically improved the quality of human life with no end in sight.

stop creating new North Americans / Western Europeans).

Your prayers have been answered, at least in Europe (and Japan). The U.S., though, is projected to see about a 50% population growth over the next 30 years.

The Japanese architect Shigeru Ban has some interesting designs using waterproofed paper tubes - they are really beautiful. See Paper Architecture, A Case Study: Cardboard Shelters, Kobe Earthquake January 1995, Time's Innovators article on him, and a Google Images search of his work

• Here's a page which talks about Jasper becker's book Hungry Ghosts, which covers how farm collectivization during Mao's "Great Leap Forward" resulted in the death of some 30-60 million of your countrymen.
• Here's a page which discusses the genocide rsulting from China's invasion of Tibet, where "over 17 percent of the Tibetan people killed, and 6,000 monasteries ruined."
• Finally, here's a page discussing the practice of Falun Gong. Now I'm personally not a believer in Falun Gong, but since I live in a nation blessed with freedom of religion, and since your government would rather execute people rather than let them practice it, perhaps you should find out for yourself what it is they so desperately don't want you to hear.
• Finally, here's the profile of a true Chinese hero.

Freedom starts with you.

How about a solar thermal tower

The idea is to build a GIANT tower, use solar energy to heat air at the bottom, and then use wind turbines to capture energy from the air as it rises up the tower.

You can put a heat bank at the bottom (probably a lot of water) that releases heat at night. Because it extracts energy from the heat gradient, it still runs fine at night when it's cooler. Also, maintenance on the turbines is easier because they run at one speed in one direction for 50 years.

They've built several prototypes, and results have been good. However, results get better as the tower gets taller, because the air at higher altitude is cooler. This is why the tower has to be so fucking massive.

Those people are math-challenged, or those who are trying to spin. The US would have, for the forseeable future, been a buyer on the carbon market. So yes, we'll be out of the carbon market, in the sense that we won't be paying other countries for the privelege of doing what we're doing now.

Actually, you're already out of the market, you just don't see it.

Like how European steel is cheaper than American steel. Why? More efficient, more productive plants. Now couldn't American steel producers benefit from this same increased efficiency? Why aren't they now? Largely because they've just been pissing and moaning for the government to save them, rather than doing it the Mom-and-apple-pie, All-American way and just innovating their way into the competition. You know, free-market style?

I don't get why the hell you guys don't just shut up and stop whining about finding ways to do things more efficiently. What possible ill effects could come about from using less coal and oil? Cleaner air? You feel that it means the terrorists win? What possible ill effects from using more and more, the way you are now? Poorer health, a possible global catastrophe, and the end of the way of life we've all enjoyed, which will bring about its own catastrophe.

Calling people douchebags is a sign of intelligence.

HOW GEORGE BUSH STOLE ELECTION 2000

"Al, this is David Boies of Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP, America's richest trial lawyers. I apologize for calling so late, but this won't wait."

"Look,
I know you've already conceded, but I've been talking to some folks in
Florida and they think they can find enough extra votes down there to
give you the state in a recount."

"Just a recount in Volusia, Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties, though."

"If it goes statewide our people will be spread too thin to keep things under control."

"Do you want to give it a try? At this point you've got nothing to lose."

"That's great, Al. I'll give 'em a call and we'll get this show on the road."

"Call Bush right away to let him know you've changed your mind."

"On second thought, call a press conference first."

"Talk to you later, Mr. President."

No, all it shows is that the losers are sore losers.

Again

HOW GEORGE BUSH STOLE ELECTION 2000

"Al, this is David Boies of Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP, America's richest trial lawyers. I apologize for calling so late, but this won't wait."

"Look, I know you've already conceded, but I've been talking to some folks in Florida and they think they can find enough extra votes down there to give you the state in a recount."

"Just a recount in Volusia, Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties, though."

"If it goes statewide our people will be spread too thin to keep things under control."

"Do you want to give it a try? At this point you've got nothing to lose."

"That's great, Al. I'll give 'em a call and we'll get this show on the road."

"Call Bush right away to let him know you've changed your mind."

"On second thought, call a press conference first."

"Talk to you later, Mr. President."