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I've gone back all winter in oslo and have not found one time below -11C.

Why do you lie?

Entirely Wrong. Just yesterday it reached -4 (C) at 700. Past lows routinely reach -5 (C) earlier this year. Total terms for lows recorded in history was -32.5 (C).

It is still on discussions. There is EU wide proposal to get rid of time changes. Every country have option to select either time to stay on.
https://www.timeanddate.com/ne...

Here in Finland, it has not been yet decided which time is the one we stay on.

Is it really that hard for stores - ect to change opening times?? that it matters which way the time is stabilized?? I vote to make US Standard time uniform at CST or Coordinated Universal Time. Then when we do things can be a local issue. The sun will still rise at the time it wants to regardless of what we call the time.

I had to look up some examples to get a good feel for what you were talking about:

Pennsylvania
https://www.timeanddate.com/su...

dec 31, 2019:
7:30 AM rise
4:51 PM set

June 15, 2019:
5:37 AM rise
8:38 PM set

baton rouge:

dec 31
7:01 rise
5:14 set

june 15
6:02 rise
8:08 set

miami:

dec 31
7:07 rise
5:39 set

june 15
6:29 rise
8:13 set

Minneapolis:

dec 31
7:51 rise
4:41 set

june 15
5:25 rise
9:01 set

> Seriously, this is a total lunar eclipse, which is cool, but not particularly unique.
> Unless you're 90 years old, you'll have a chance to see another.

Next total eclipses are in 2022 and 2025 for North America.

https://www.timeanddate.com/ec...

The light in the Earth's shadow can't change because the moon is passing through it. So how does the lunar eclipse start out black, and end red?

Lunar eclipse time lapse
Next eclipse: January 20 2019
Nat Geo: Why is eclipse red?

For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.

The light in the Earth's shadow can't change because the moon is passing through it. So how does the lunar eclipse start out black, and end red?

Lunar eclipse time lapse
Next eclipse: January 20 2019
Business Insider Video: Why is eclipse red?

For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.

To me the constant Global Warming Boogeyman is the lefts version of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

No, it's not. First of all, FSM is a satire, as you know, second, it does not involve any scare. Third, it's very fringe satire, and only pimply juvenile imbeciles ever use it in their opportunistic fight with "the man".

An especially clear example of this is todays NYT feature on Scary Global Warming, How much hotter is your hometown [nytimes.com].

When you were born, the SecretTown area could expect about 2 days per year to reach at least 90 degrees

(why am I forbidden to copy/paste this, stupid NYT?)

Today, the SecretTown area can expect about 4 days at or above 90 degrees per year, on average

2018:

https://www.timeanddate.com/we...//historic?month=9&year=2018

Tested may-through september - 5 days >= 90

year of birth, (do not ask, it's impolite to ask old people about their age):

4 days>=90 (can't show you the website not to reveal the country)

Which is expected, given that the proposed arbitrary measure of severity of local climate changes (I am more interested in number of flood days, number of tornado days, number of 100-people-a-day-immolated-alive days per year).

In my area, for example, let's pick a different measure: number of days where temperature drops below -20C = -4F (that's when schools used to close in my childhood - important economic factor given that the parents will likely skip work as well to look for the children):

winter 2017/2018: 30 days -4F or lower

year of birth: 34 days -4F or lower

Looks like we get worth in summer and better in winter equally in the area of interest. I am not really sure what this proves. It's just some data-wrangling fun :-)

I would LOVE to see a serious discussion on climate at some point.

I do not know the worth climate and how it will be but on the Internet it will always be September climate. So, no, LOVE whatever you want, you won't get much of it anywhere nowadays.

Weird that the US Feds can block it, but I guess your States don't have much power. According to https://www.timeanddate.com/ti... it is mostly up to the municipalities up here though I guess the Province can override.

Interesting, seems the feds have a lot of power. Thanks. The page also links to Canada, https://www.timeanddate.com/ti... which states that it is mostly decided at the municipal level though I'm pretty sure the feds put out guidelines, namely following the US lead.
I'll note that my Premier (BC) recently stated that the Province won't change due to keeping in sync with our trading partners, presumably Washington and south. Since municipalities are a Provincial thing, I guess the Province can override them.

Current Federal law only allows it to go to permanent PST. It cannot move to another time zone that it isn't located within.

https://www.timeanddate.com/la...

Federal law doesn't allow variance in the days. It mandates that if DST is followed, it will be followed on specific dates - and it changed those days effective 2007. Current Federal law isn't going to allow California to change to permanent MST (aka PDT, or UTC-7). Current Federal law allows California to change to permanent PST (dropping PDT with the DST change).

https://www.timeanddate.com/la...

They can't just do whatever they want. They can choose not to observe DST, as provided by Federal law.

https://www.timeanddate.com/la...

I'm not an expert on the law at all, but I think it basically says if you are going to have some sort of time change, you must follow the national time change days. But there are plenty of places that chose not to have any time change, such as Arizona, and there are other places which aren't uniform throughout the state, like Indiana: https://www.timeanddate.com/ti...

Oh, actually this link has good info:
https://www.timeanddate.com/ti...

"Arizona is exempt from DST according to the US Energy Policy Act of 2005. The Act gives every state or territory the right to decide if it wants to use DST. If DST is observed, the state has to schedule DST in sync with the rest of the US: From the second Sunday in March until the first Sunday in November."

Ah, but this link says a state may opt out of DST, and instead use their Standard time. California is trying to move to a permanent Daylight time, which isn't allowed by the Federal law:
https://www.timeanddate.com/la...
"260a. Advancement of time or changeover dates
(a)(1) any State that lies entirely within one time zone may by law exempt itself from the provisions of this subsection providing for the advancement of time, but only if that law provides that the entire State (including all political subdivisions thereof) shall observe the standard time otherwise applicable during that period, "

I'm not an expert on the law at all, but I think it basically says if you are going to have some sort of time change, you must follow the national time change days. But there are plenty of places that chose not to have any time change, such as Arizona, and there are other places which aren't uniform throughout the state, like Indiana: https://www.timeanddate.com/ti...

Oh, actually this link has good info:
https://www.timeanddate.com/ti...

"Arizona is exempt from DST according to the US Energy Policy Act of 2005. The Act gives every state or territory the right to decide if it wants to use DST. If DST is observed, the state has to schedule DST in sync with the rest of the US: From the second Sunday in March until the first Sunday in November."

Ah, but this link says a state may opt out of DST, and instead use their Standard time. California is trying to move to a permanent Daylight time, which isn't allowed by the Federal law:
https://www.timeanddate.com/la...
"260a. Advancement of time or changeover dates
(a)(1) any State that lies entirely within one time zone may by law exempt itself from the provisions of this subsection providing for the advancement of time, but only if that law provides that the entire State (including all political subdivisions thereof) shall observe the standard time otherwise applicable during that period, "

I'm not an expert on the law at all, but I think it basically says if you are going to have some sort of time change, you must follow the national time change days. But there are plenty of places that chose not to have any time change, such as Arizona, and there are other places which aren't uniform throughout the state, like Indiana: https://www.timeanddate.com/ti...

Oh, actually this link has good info:
https://www.timeanddate.com/ti...

"Arizona is exempt from DST according to the US Energy Policy Act of 2005. The Act gives every state or territory the right to decide if it wants to use DST. If DST is observed, the state has to schedule DST in sync with the rest of the US: From the second Sunday in March until the first Sunday in November."

Ah, but this link says a state may opt out of DST, and instead use their Standard time. California is trying to move to a permanent Daylight time, which isn't allowed by the Federal law:
https://www.timeanddate.com/la...
"260a. Advancement of time or changeover dates
(a)(1) any State that lies entirely within one time zone may by law exempt itself from the provisions of this subsection providing for the advancement of time, but only if that law provides that the entire State (including all political subdivisions thereof) shall observe the standard time otherwise applicable during that period, "

please don't think that people who would prefer not having DST don't exist or don't understand what the consequences would be

Here is visualization that shows the effects of solar variation throughout the year as well as the step-change created by DST https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@7174408 (the link shows time/light for the city of Seattle - you can change it to your locale). Note that in March, when sunrise is at a comfortable 6:30 am, DST happens and pushes sunrise back to 7:30 am. In October, the switch back from DST doesn't happen until sunrise has been delayed until almost 8 am.

https://www.timeanddate.com/ec...

I got the moon declinations and phases from https://www.timeanddate.com/mo... [timeanddate.com]. It's a nice calculator, much better than having a Stonehenge in your back yard.

It might be nice but I think in units of Awesomeness it is several orders of magnitude less than actually having Stonehenge in your out back.

I don't see that in the Tech Times article; the claim there is that the builders of Stonehenge knew the Pythagorean *theorem* (which of course doesn't require integer sides). It does claim that Pythagorean *triangles* will be found elsewhere in Britain, but leaves implicit any connection between Pythagorean triangles and the Pythagorean theorem.

The Telegraph article has a picture of Stonehenge labeled "A bird's eye view of Stonehenge showing the rectangle and Pythagorean triangles", with 56 postholes in the outer circle, and a Pythagorean triangle laid out on 3 of those holes. With 56 holes (almost one every 6 degrees), you could lay out almost any triangle you want, as long as your measurements weren't real precise. The sides of this triangle are alleged to point in certain directions (midwinter moonset--what date is midwinter? and "major standstill"), sunset on two dates (labeled "sunset Beltane and Lammas", and in the opposite direction, "sunrise Samhain and Imbolc"), and midsummer sunrise (again, which date is midsummer? and another "major standstill"). In short, it sounds to me very much like the Bible Code; given enough points, you can find anything you want: multiple "special" days in the year, and then sunrise, sunset, even moonrise and moonset.

Also, the moon doesn't rise and set in exactly the same direction on any particular date of the year, nor even on the same lunar phases at nearly the same time of the year. If it did, eclipses would occur at the same time every year. For example, 28 June of this year is a full moon; from Washington DC, the Moon rises at a declination of 117 degrees. On 9 July of last year, also a full moon, it rose at a declination of 114 degrees; and on 5 July 2001, the full moon rose at a declination of 121 degrees. That's a variation of 7 degrees, slightly more than the distance between two of those postholes as viewed from the center of the circle. So it's not clear how a unique posthole was chosen for the midwinter moonset. (And if you have a particular date for moonset, rather than the closest full moon to some date, it's even worse: moonrise/ moonset varies by 61 degrees at the latitude of Washington DC. In which case you have a choice of ten or so postholes.)

I got the moon declinations and phases from https://www.timeanddate.com/mo.... It's a nice calculator, much better than having a Stonehenge in your back yard.

You mean kind of like this?
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html

Just remember, time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

You mean... Internet Time?

https://www.timeanddate.com/ti...

There were actually two resolutions on Daylight Saving Time. The other was about abolishing DST and was rejected: https://www.timeanddate.com/ne...

It hasn't been above 34C all week.

https://www.timeanddate.com/we...

The SAFEST way to view the eclipse is INDIRECTLY, not looking directly at the sun.
Instructions:
https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/s...
https://www.timeanddate.com/ec...

Doesn't scale though.. Who will make our arms when everything is made in the same time zone ( https://www.timeanddate.com/wo... ) ? at this point, how much of our military is made with chinese components... Crucal ones..

Na, it's currently 12:38 in Zulu time. See here for current Zulu time:

https://www.timeanddate.com/wo...

April Fool's Day: looks like Slashdot has finally gone global.

When you compare availability information from the perspective attendees, find a block that is open on all and squeeze it in there so it doesn't overlap anyone elses schedules. Your scheduling software should even assist with that with ease.

To make things more human friendly, you can do the 15minute blocks thing, and base it on UTC. Almost all timezones would get slightly odd starting/ending offsets, but they'd be consistent.

FWIW, I don't think any of this means that the longitudinal based timezone offsets are a good idea. I just think the scheduling system is one of the few parts that is already updated to handle this (for the most part). There are already timezones with 30 minute and 45 minute offsets from GMT:
https://www.timeanddate.com/ti...
If you don't have to deal with people in those, that's great (certainly makes things easier to follow), but no one should be assuming that everyone is currently at even 1hr offsets from GMT right now.

We just get everyone in the world to shift their work hours one hour earlier. Call it "Early Bird Time".

Fuck it... What's the problem?
With daylight starting at around 4 A.M. and twilight breaking around 3 A.M. from May to August, for everyone living below the 51st parallel, everyone might as well be up, right?
It's not like anyone will miss that extra hour of darkness in the morning throughout those hot summer nights when you're lucky if you manage to fall asleep by 2 A.M.
Just like no one will miss waking up and going to work/school while there's light outside in the sky for the other half of the year.

But let's talk more about how turning the clocks back-forward twice per year hurts people.

Replying to my own post: apparently TODAY is perihelion day. Who'd have thunk?

2017 January 4, 2017 6:17 am 91,404,322 mi

The issue with leap seconds is much bigger than just Cloudflare. I’ve found there are difference in at least 4 types of time: Google Time (their unique version of NTP time protocol), International Atomic Time(TAI), Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), and multiple NTP protocol servers. Currently there is a difference of 37 seconds between International Atomic Time (TAI) and Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). https://www.timeanddate.com/ti... When I checked the time sync of time.windows.com to time.is I noticed there is a ~33.4 second difference. Last I checked, there are hundreds of NTP severs that have out of sync times https://community.ntppool.org/ It seems a significant amount of the world is out of sync and there is no absolute consensus on what the time should be.

I'm more interested to know how the article writer and the 'editor' both managed to somehow think that there are four months between May 15th and July 29th.

That is absurd. Fukushima affected an area of only 8000 square kilometers. Assuming a roughly circular shape, using Area = Pi*(r^2), that yields a radius of only about 50 km. From Ontario to Philadelphia is 610 km

If you have no idea what you are talking about please refrain from spreading FUD. More likely though you are a shill.

I stand corrected, thanks.

O'Bummer only has 300 days left to TAEK AR GUNZZZ!

-- this comment brought to you by the committee that really doesn't think delusional yahoos can be trusted with deadly weapons.
Shoot a kindergartner for Freedumb!

Once again, Slashdot firmly planted itself in US-only only land, completely ignoring the other 6billion+ of us on this little planet... *sigh*. At least these times cover Canada and South America, somewhat, even if only by accident.

Anyway, for the rest of us:

Partial eclipse begins at 01:07:13 UTC
Totality starts at 02:11:12 UTC
Maximum eclipse at 02:47:09 UTC
Totality ends at 03:23:05 UTC
Partial eclipse ends at 04:27:05

Find these times in your local timezone here: http://www.timeanddate.com/ecl...

So if he wants to call a company in Germany, and wonder if it is the middle of the night for them, he would simply have to figure out the sunrise and sunset times in UTC for a geographic region, and then estimate normal business hours?

I'm sure there's an app for that. I mean, it is the 21st century last I checked. You can check the web. Heck, I remember seeing clocks like this when I was a kid.

Awesome, now that we have another 50 years of technological advance, maybe it's time to revisit the issue...

There may or may not be a vote on new proposals this year.

Chile's Calbuco volcano erupted on April 22, "at around 1800 local time". The second picture in this article shows the eruption at sunset. From that picture, you can see that the ash and smoke from the eruption have begun to spread. According to this web page, sunset in Chile these days is about 7:10 pm. So about an hour after the eruption, the clouds of dust and smoke had already started to spread.

Does anyone know if the smoke and ash particles are magnetic? If so, then maybe we can cut down on their spread through the atmosphere, by putting billions of magnetically-charged balloons into the atmosphere above Yellowstone, just before the eruption. Hopefully they would attract some of the smoke and ash particles, and eventually fall back to the earth.

(Of course, this assumes that we'll have a few hours warning before the eruption, and that the balloons are all ready to go.)

http://www.timeanddate.com/tim... "Losing U.S. popularity - According to a Rasmussen Report from 2013, only 37 % of Americans see the purpose of DST compared to 45 % the year before."

Only 37% see the purpose. That to me doesn't clearly show how many people dislike it. You can still see the purpose and not be in favor of it. I expect that if they had phrased the question correctly, they would have more people against it, as seen in other polls.

Less every year...

http://www.timeanddate.com/tim...

"Losing U.S. popularity - According to a Rasmussen Report from 2013, only 37 % of Americans see the purpose of DST compared to 45 % the year before."

Just because people may not care about it any more, doesn't mean they know how to fix the problem. If you change it in any regard, no one will be happy.

The only solution I'd be happy with would be a standard universal time, because it makes me think that we got a little bit closer to a new space age. Otherwise, how it is right now is more fun.

Talking about Time Zones isn't going to help this problem. That isn't related. As for driving with a sunrise around 8:30 AM by getting rid of DST? I can't see that as a problem. I'd rather drive in the dark than drive with the sun in my eyes. Can't see stop lights making it more dangerous.

Less every year...
http://www.timeanddate.com/tim...
"Losing U.S. popularity - According to a Rasmussen Report from 2013, only 37 % of Americans see the purpose of DST compared to 45 % the year before."

http://www.timeanddate.com/tim...
"Losing U.S. popularity - According to a Rasmussen Report from 2013, only 37 % of Americans see the purpose of DST compared to 45 % the year before."

> The majority of people feel that DST is a bad idea....

Do you have a source for this?

Listening to perople bitch about it this time of year is a good one. But this also works... http://www.timeanddate.com/tim... See "Losing U.S. popularity - According to a Rasmussen Report from 2013, only 37 % of Americans see the purpose of DST compared to 45 % the year before."

...a better way of dealing with the need for leap seconds?"

Well... It could be worse. The last time we let the clocks go off we lost almost two weeks trying to fix it.

Let's just keep up with the leap seconds so that nobody has to cancel Christmas again.

Hmm... lets see. In Edmonton, Alberta the sunrise and sunset times on November 15, 2014 are 8:00 am and 4:36 pm respectively. In Chicago, Illinois that day the sunrise and sunset times are 6:40 am and 4:30 pm. That's 1 hour and 16 minutes less daylight in Edmonton in the middle of November which I'd say is significant. Sunrise and sunset calculator.

Move to Iceland. Fun fact: it's the only country in the world that uses GMT. All. Year. Long.

OK, I guess parts of Western Africa too.
http://www.timeanddate.com/tim...

For a saner alternative to Eastern Daylight Time, I use Atlantic Standard Time. AST is the same as EDT year around, and many countries (e.g. Dominican Republic) don't observe Atlantic Daylight Time.

http://www.timeanddate.com/tim...

Although I use AST at home, my schedule is still heavily influenced by everyone else outside. Go figure.