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people will vote for good politicians and laws

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Voting != Democracy
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In democracy it's your vote in elections that counts; In FEUDALISM it's your count that votes;
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"But at the same day, the news of gang-rape of a 10-year old Lower Caste Untouchable Dalit girl and who was burnt subsequently was tucked away in the inside pages devoting only five to ten lines" --Kabir, former Chief Justice of India
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The family of the Delhi gang-rape Brahmin victim was given huge compensation by governments and various bodies.
But what happened to the dalit girl? Did her family get anything?

Women's brain is horizontally wired and good at multitasking.
Women's brains are designed for social skills and memory while men's are for perception and coordination.
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It's TRUE because Indian regime is spending $1 billion/year on space research when 50% of its children are malnourished.
http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Every-second-Indian-child-is-malnourished-Report/articleshow/25724848.cms

Indian regime is spending $1 billion/year on space research when 50% of its children are malnourished.
http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Every-second-Indian-child-is-malnourished-Report/articleshow/25724848.cms

But it seems if we reproduce at a later age, we make better fathers. http://m.timesofindia.com/life-style/health-fitness/health/Offspring-of-older-fathers-may-live-longer/articleshow/14057473.cms

Clueless /.ers who post without having read enough on the subject to learn the facts of the matter have the slowest intellects in the world. Some environmentalists among them knee jerk to reactions just as pavlovian as those always spouting off THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

As noted in posts by others, the reference to Madagascar ebony in TFA is a red herring. ALL the wood seized in the raid was from India:
http://m.timesofindia.com/PDATOI/articleshow/9756435.cms

I don't care whether you have a brass guitar, an ivory keyed piano or an ostrich plume sticking out of your butt. I would appreciate it however if you could contain your weeping on subject X until you learn whether the article submitter & the journalist behind TFA are as full of it as they were this time.

Totally agree. That's the exact reason why, every time I want interesting news on India, I'll check out Google News rather than India's best English newspaper.

From the article, Indian president expressed concerns about Google Earth, not Google Maps.

This story was posted yesterday at India's largest newspaper, The Times of India (http://www.timesofindia.com/). I submitted a better written story on this with a link last night.

In Mumbai, India, there are atleast two firms which own both a newpaper http://www.timesofindia.com/ http://www.mid-day.com/ as well as a radio station http://www.radiomirchi.com/ http://www.go925fm.com/ (one of them owns a TV channel http://www.zoomtelevision.com/ and web portal http://www.indiatimes.com/ too).

There are radio shows where the RJ practically reads out the newspaper article. Not to mention the radio station's "teaser" comments about the next day's newspaper headline, or a dedicated column in the newspaper providing a prelude to a TV show at night.

A personal peeve is when one of the radio stations decided to promote a movie, with the RJs giving it fantastic reviews, completely omitting the fact that the movie was produced by the company owning the radio station.

I am in India, a software techie. While it is great that I get good opportunites to extend my love for computing into my job, I think I will *feel* India has arrived when porn is legal here.
Here is why:

Porn in India is not legal. This is, sadly, true. But ofcourse bootleg VCDs of porn is available (going rate? ~30 INR about 70 cents :D). It is a pity that not much porn gets made here though. The only ones that you see are what seem to be hidden cam ones ... or amatuer vids.
I am waiting for the day when Vivid outsources to India. That will be the day when I will really *feel* that India has arrived :)

As Salman Rusdie said, porn is the index of free society... i will extend that to say that porn is also the index of prosperity.

India is not too hot on freedom of speech either. I once did a lampoon site of a local leader who in my opinion is a Hindu Fascist... the site featured him as Hitler. I am glad I did not mention my actual home address... for before I knew it, I got to read in the Times of India that a terrorist group had made a site on this real big wig politician... they mentioned that the CBI was on the case. I was shit scared as I had done the site right from home. But nothing happened . (those were the early days of the internet in India).
Doing this site, I believed that it was perfectly legal to do... the constitution of India does grant me freedom of speech -- only in theory. I was younger then and more idealistic and thought for sure that I would not be convicted in court if I did get arrested.
Now, a little wiser with the ways of this democracy, I do not think so... atleast one press guy who did an expose got his ass to jail and was butt-fucked (not literally, but he'd prefer that to being beaten tied up naked, for sure). I am lucky that I was not caught by the low tech intelligence :)

Another way I measure the progress of a country is its level of tolerance ... yea it has been increasing, atleast in Delhi. Girls arent afraid to move around in exposing dresses (god bless them!), gays arent too afraid of coming out in public...
yea this is happening, we *are* heading in the right direction... if only the asshole politician i lampooned and his breed of die hard Hindu Fanatics dont screw it up some time soon ... if they come to power (you know who!) then just maybe I (we?) are doomed :(

I squeezed in just before the polls closed at 5:00 PM in Bangalore. I was a little rushed because all the security people kept telling me to hurry up so that they could go home. However the election in my constituency was very peaceful, unlike some other areas.

Interestingly Indian media is not as vocal about the relatively small incidents of violence when compared to the international media.

The electronic voting machines felt a little awkward. There was no feedback to tell me that I had actually voted for the right person, and no mechanism that I could tell to correct myself had I pressed the wrong button. In fact one of the instructions for voters that came out in the Times of India today mentioned that we should make sure the election commission employees monitoring the election didn't "accidentally" press one of our buttons for us.

I would have liked the machine to somehow tell me (either through a display or by printing a little paper receipt) that I had voted for the right person.

Also, one of the women election commission workers was looking down on my machine as I proceeded to push my button. I had to give her a really ugly look, "Do you mind?". She shrugged and went and sat down on her chair. There were representatives from all the political parties contesting for the seat from my constituency.

What's probably not as common in the West is that there were about 10 people contesting from my constituency alone. One each from the major national parties (BJP/NDA, Congress), a couple from the major state parties and a few independents. I think the choice in the West is usually never more than 3 or 4.

After voting each voter is marked with a small drop of ink between the nail and the skin on the forefinger of the left hand. Not sure what they do if you are handicapped.

A state-wide holiday was declared to encourage people to vote. However in some areas it was just too hot in north of the state so the turnout was quite poor (40%-ish) whereas in my state on average I think it is around 60%. I'm sure there were many other factors that affected the voter turnout.

The national parties are promising between 10-12% economic growth, which has probably never been achieved in India's post-independence history. Let's see how things pan out, although it appears the ruling BJP-led alliance will dominate. The question is by how much.

All in all, it still felt good to cast a vote, although numerically the bigger the democracy the smaller the net value of each vote.

the editing is being done in Mumbai or Dehli.

Now wait a minute. My favorite newspaper just happens to be The Times of India.

Uhhh, India.

3 of the 10 daily English language newspapers with the largest circulation are in India (The Times Of India is the most circulated English language newspaper _worldwide_, and oh about 10% of India's population understand it reasonably well. They're not particularly pro-war.

And there's good ol' Canada up to the north. I hear that they have a lot of English speakers.

And there's also South Africa, the Phillipines, Pakistan, Ireland, and New Zealand if you want other countries with sizable English speaking populations.

Many other countries have English newspapers that are online.

India hasn't been very supportive the war, but they haven't been as vehemently against it as France, Germany, or the Muslim world, so you might want to try checking out an Indian newspaper, such as The Times Of India , The Hindu, The Indian Express, The Statesman, or Rediff Online. These are amongst the world's most circulated English dailies (The Times of India is #1, the Hindu and the Statesman are in the top 10.), and with the exception of Rediff, have been around in print form for decades.

This is something that is not widely publicized, but Compaq aggressively advertises Linux desktop computers in the most popular Indian newspaper (Thats the only one I read, but they may be advertising elsewhere too).

Here is the system in question. (Look at the bottom line of the specs) In the ad they also mention that the linux machine comes with an office suite and sells for Rs. 33,990 (~US$680) while the equivalent hardware running windows and without an office suite sells for Rs.37,990 (~US$760).. Also, Compaq provides full support for their Linux PC.

I think that Linux has the largest potential to explode as a desktop OS in developing markets like India. This is for 2 reasons..

1. Arelatively small percentage of the population knows how to use computers so they will not have to make a 'switch' to linux as many in western countries have to. Thus there will be no apprehension when using linux.
2. The other alternative to buying branded computers in India is through local assemblers. Most people are usually very apprehensive of buying from them beacause of lack of support and because these assemblers are not trustworthy. The only reason people do make purchases from assemblers is beacause of the lower prices. The assemblers can afford to sell computers for Rs.4000-5000 less than the equivalent branded piece because they sell pirated software along with the computers. So the software cost is 0.The price of this Linux based Compaq PC can match any other assembled computer in its class. Given the brand, many first time buyers may consumers may go ahead and buy it.

So while Linux may not be the best desktop system available, as we have seen before the best solution does not necessarily win.

India helped FBI trace ISI-terrorist links

by MANOJ JOSHI
12 October 2001
'THE TIMES OF INDIA'

NEW DELHI: While the Pakistani Inter Services Public Relations claimed that former ISI director-general Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad sought retirement after being superseded on Monday, the truth is more shocking.

Top sources confirmed here on Tuesday, that the general lost his job because of the "evidence" India produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the World Trade Centre. The US authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the instance of Gen Mahumd.

Senior government sources have confirmed that India contributed significantly to establishing the link between the money transfer and the role played by the dismissed ISI chief. While they did not provide details, they said that Indian inputs, including Sheikh's mobile phone number, helped the FBI in tracing and establishing the link.

A direct link between the ISI and the WTC attack could have enormous repercussions. The US cannot but suspect whether or not there were other senior Pakistani Army commanders who were in the know of things. Evidence of a larger conspiracy could shake US confidence in Pakistan's ability to participate in the anti-terrorism coalition.

Indian officials say they are vitally interested in the unravelling of the case since it could link the ISI directly to the hijacking of the Indian Airlines Kathmandu-Delhi flight to Kandahar last December. Ahmad Umar Sayeed Sheikh is a British national and a London School of Economics graduate who was arrested by the police in Delhi following a bungled 1994 kidnapping of four westerners, including an American citizen.

(C) 'Times of India' 2001, Reprinted for Fair Use Only

It is important to note that the United States historically has given money to Pakistan to funnel into the Muhjaden and Taliban through Pakistani Intelligence.

China is really waking up to the language barrier. China has woken up to the competition it faces India. It has already introduced English in Primary education. Here, India is getting very hostile to China's competition to India's crown jewel. In fact, the hostility is so high, that the entire media here had made an issue of allegation about the chinese company, Huawei Tech links with the taliban. The Indian software industry dissmisses it threat.

China is really waking up to the language barrier. China has woken up to the competition it faces India. It has already introduced English in Primary education. Here, India is getting very hostile to China's competition to India's crown jewel. In fact, the hostility is so high, that the entire media here had made an issue of allegation about the chinese company, Huawei Tech links with the taliban. The Indian software industry dissmisses it threat.

Read more at the Times of India

Funny you should mention times of india...

India silently approves attacks

Also, if you read what bin Laden said in some of the sources listed at the end, he often refers to the fight against "Jews and crusaders". And in another interview that bin Laden gave after the WTC attacks, he said "I swear to God that America will never ... see [security] before we see ... it in Palestine."

So I disagree with you and agree with Douglas.

Doesn't look big?

Crikey, guy, if this goes down poorly, your ass is grass. Arab nations get upset with the US actions, and your life is gonna change.

And there's a good chance that this *is* pissing the mid-East civilians. Check out this article from India.

Now, more than ever, it is important for Americans to seek global news sources. Do Not Trust Your Media.

• Times of India
• South China Morning Post (Hong Kong)
• Tehran Times opinion piece on the whole shebang Ha'aretz Daily (Isreal)
• Khaleej Times (Dubai, UAE)

  More to come..

Unfortunately, the fundamentalists do have considerable influence. As I write , the zealots are alreading planning huge protest rallies and threatening civil war. One good thing, about having a military regime and ruler is that the decisions are forceful and unquestionable. President Musharraf has decided to go against the taliban and support the US fully and he will surely clamp down on any kind of violent uprising in pakistan with a strong hand. If there would have been a democratically elected ruler in Pakistan today, then he would have had to take into consultation all the fanatic religious parties, which would have caused lot of confusion and chaos.

<a href="http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp? art_id=595320017">Is Osama Bin Laddin the Mabus predicted by Nostradamus?</a>
<a href="http://www.indiacgny.org">Here</a> is a list of Indians, who are rescued.
<a href="http://www.dawn.com/2001/09/17/op.htm#4">Thi s</a> article, speaks about a doomsday scenario & about injustice & double standards meted out to people in the middle east by the US of A. A very nice read.

• Usman Farman

• Letter from an Afghani-American

• This is War

• Man questioned in shooting death of Sikh

• Sikh leaders angry and stunned over attacks

• Usman Farman

• Letter from an Afghani-American

• This is War

• Man questioned in shooting death of Sikh

• Sikh leaders angry and stunned over attacks

US news sites may be clogged, so here are some non-us sites.
Reddif USA
times of India - Lots of photos.
Dawn - check out the editorial on Afghanistan. BTW, this is a pakistani newspaper, but very credible.
This is the text version of their site.

The times of india.

Indian Express

NDTV news.

Sify news

Rediff News

Hindustan Times

Internet News

Cnet.com

Also, eyewitness reports are claiming that one of the towers has completely collapsed as a result of the fire. I cannot confirm this, thought. Your best bet at this point would probably be TV because almost all of the news websites I've tried are completely dead.

Times of India Report

Thousands of pieces of what appeared to be office paper came drifting over Brooklyn, about three miles from the tower, one witness said.

The US has imprisoned the greatest percentage of its population of ANY NATION except for Russia. Seee the link I provided earlier. That includes many countries with no death penalties.

Missile attacks launched by GWB: none.

really.

If by some odd chance you meant China, then I need only point you to Taiwan.

You mean the country the US is sending missiles to? And when did China last attack taiwan? And when did China even acknowlege that Taiwan is NOT a part of China?

Those that lead the human rights commission: China, Cuba, Libya, Syria, and most recently Sudan.

yes, ironic isn't it. It's almost as if the world is trying to send the US a message.

The person who posted the original statement works with a particle accelerator. Unless you have similar credentials, I'm going to have to take his word over yours.

As has been pointed out several times, "high yield" is a relative term. That the poster works at a particle accellerator (sweeping the floors?) is irrelevant to the fact that a nuclear explosion in times square will do significant damage.

For the slow people in the class, I believe the original post was pointing out the world's previous attempts to appease a totalitarian regime. They didn't quite work out.

Uh, Neville Chamberlain would be a good example of this. The Olympics? No. Its an example of propoganda thwarted in an international forum.

Any idiot can post hyperlinks to other sites to pretend that they're backing up their claims. People who have something worthwhile to say put it in their own post, so people have a chance to rebut it.

Sorry. All those yucky facts. I should have just copy/pasted for hours? No, here's a nutty idea-- read the news. Then open your mouth. And no, I don't count Rush Limbaugh as news.

Have the guts to say what you believe and stand by it.

Ok, here it is without any links or direct support-- perhaps the way you'd prefer it:

George W. Bush is a simian idiot whose handlers are cowtowing to special interests including the energy and defense industries, thus putting global political stability and environmental health in danger.

if you'd like more details, see my previous post.

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Microsoft sees itself as entirely above any earthly institution, government included. Governments of the US and other countries pay Microsoft millions of dollars a year for software, and have essentially let it get away with breaking any law that gets in the way of bringing in more money. Microsoft is now setting up an annual Microsoft Tax for all computer users, the licensing is just part of that. That will gradually expand as The Behemoth sticks its software into other products. Maybe a coin-slot on the XBox, or a credit card reader on the side of your computer-controlled thermostat. Eventually we'll get a 'Windows Usage' box on the 1040EZ form.

Bill Gates even bought himself an island in the Pacific (OK, technically he only bought part of a company that owns an entire island, but still...). That would be an excellent place to set up a small country for the small dictator. I assume doing that was Gates' backup plan in case the antitrust trial went really badly. Steve Ballmer could go there with Gates and run around going "De plane, de plane!" like the little guy on Fantasy Island.

The CIA has invested $1 Million in Safeweb, and uses it for its own agents (and I believe they use triangleboy when in the field.

So, if they trust it, then why shouldn't you... Of course, if they have a stake, whose to say they don't have a bit of insider access...

"The issue is not whether you are paranoid, the issue is whether you are paranoid enough."
- Max, "Strange Days"

And sure enough, they'll capture and sterilize yet another market ...sigh...

"A door is what a dog is perpetually the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash

That's a bit pessimistic. I like the greater access. I take it upon myself to read many more sources for my news so I can get a broader understanding. Especially I like to read foreign newspapers online. Like the Times of India or Inside China Today or the BBC or Pravda. For those of us who were tired of the same old sources, its a real revolution in current events knowledge. All these are in English. It's awsome. For more check out Yahoo's list of foreign papers.

Now the population at large has the 'opportunity' to suffer from what the Romans called the Imperial Diease, the condition of becoming acustomed to having every desire fulfilled, every whim satisfied and every gross pleasure gratified.

As with anything, there will be abuses and I agree with you that many will take that road. But I think the trade off of having more perspectives is worth it.

Porn is way too extreme. Things like dating and even valentines day "damage the pristine Indian society".
I find your statement about murdering Christian missionaries baseless, though. India is secular and very tolerant towards all religions (even Islam).

Recently the Indian government was suckered into buying honeypots and in January for those who don't recall they hired a dozen script kiddies to handle security (I couldn't find the link sorry), so what I see happening is, goverments are getting scared by technology, and instead of coming up with logical solutions, they feel harsh punishments will deter someone's future actions.

Instead of creating such broad laws which can also hurt innocent people somewhere down the line, hardcore studies should be done before such broad laws are created, and every 5 or so years another study should be done to ensure the laws are working to the benefit of the people as opposed to throwing something out because of fears, or because its almost election time $WHEREVER.

Sadly it looks like we are going to have a complete world full of drones who'll either be afraid to interact, or a world full of what the government will view as anarchists if things continue with these trends.

Did anyone even think to call up Mumbai's press office? Or did you just immediately jump on the bandwagon and start decrying "censorship". Come on, people; Mumbai's police force even has its own website. Is it too hard to send an email?

This isn't an example of a backwards nation (like Iran or France) trying to squash a technology (the Internet) they can't hope to master. Mumbai is at the forefront of the tech world (mobile banking, the first language in India to have a universal keyboard, biotechnology parks for women, etc.) They know what they're doing here: if they're implementing an ID system like this, then you know it's the correct technological solution.

You don't know what their reasons are. You're just speculating until you talk to them and find out. A mature individual doesn't exhibit knee-jerk reactions to everything.

Although constructing such a huge building scores high on the coolness factor and even generates a bunch of tourism and national pride such a project is a terrible idea.

There are several problems.

Today's tallest buildings such as the towers in Kuala Lampur are actually less useful and efficient than somewhat smaller sky-scrappers because of the amount of building space occupied by elevators. Once a building reachs a certain number of stories/height the amount of space inside the building that needs to be devoted to elevators becomes so large as to make the building economically impractical.

As another poster noted the price tag of about 15B USD is extremely high

There is also the issue of earthquakes and wind. Constructing the largest sky-scrappers today takes most to all of architects and civil engineers Knowhow to prevent them from falling over in a storm of earthquake. The proposed Arcology goes way beyond anything we seem to have the Knowhow to do, which is quite dangerous. We also have 0 experience in building things of this size.

Speaking of dangerous, China has quite a reputation for buildings that collapse due to poor construction. This is because the Chinese goverment is not regulating construction effectively. Here are a couple stories on the recent collapse of a shopping mall in China in which dozens of people died. Time of India &nbsp &nbspChinadaily Note... this is not the recent case of a school explosion in China which killed 41.

If China needs to build large buildings to stop urban sprawl, which may well be the case, multiple 60 or 70 story buildings would be a much better solution.

Although constructing such a huge building scores high on the coolness factor and even generates a bunch of tourism and national pride such a project is a terrible idea.

There are several problems.

Today's tallest buildings such as the towers in Kuala Lampur are actually less useful and efficient than somewhat smaller sky-scrappers because of the amount of building space occupied by elevators. Once a building reachs a certain number of stories/height the amount of space inside the building that needs to be devoted to elevators becomes so large as to make the building economically impractical.

As another poster noted the price tag of about 15B USD is extremely high

There is also the issue of earthquakes and wind. Constructing the largest sky-scrappers today takes most to all of architects and civil engineers Knowhow to prevent them from falling over in a storm of earthquake. The proposed Arcology goes way beyond anything we seem to have the Knowhow to do, which is quite dangerous. We also have 0 experience in building things of this size.

Speaking of dangerous, China has quite a reputation for buildings that collapse due to poor construction. This is because the Chinese goverment is not regulating construction effectively. Here are a couple stories on the recent collapse of a shopping mall in China in which dozens of people died. Time of India &nbsp &nbspChinadaily Note... this is not the recent case of a school explosion in China which killed 41.

If China needs to build large buildings to stop urban sprawl, which may well be the case, multiple 60 or 70 story buildings would be a much better solution.

Laura fucked me silly last night. -The President of the United States of America Death to Presidential Imposters!

According to this times of india story and Cnet story, June sued Netzeo in summer over the advertisments that are displayed when the customer is offline.

CO2 can go from solid to gas at 1 atm (sealevel). At sealevel and above(lower pressure), CO2 only exists as a solid or gas. Mars does not have as heavy of an atmosphere as Earth, so my guess would be that it would only exist as a solid or gas on Mars. However, if you've ever seen DryIce (um, most mad scientists mix colored waters with pieces of CO2 together to get a highly explosive substance) you'll notice that, in our atmosphere, it sinks to the ground. It's very heavy and "flows" through the air like water. My guess is that it would emerge from the ground and "flow" along the dusty surface of Mars, causing "canals".

Oh, and CO2 will exist as a liquid. But only at higher pressures (~5.2 atm and up (5.2+x)) and certain temperatures. Here http://onsager.bd.psu.edu/~jir cit ano/phaseco2.jpg is what is called a phase diagram. If you want to read it, it would have to be marked. The "y" part would be in atm ("atmospheres" == pressure) and the "x" would be in temperature (deg C). Pick a pressure and temperature. find where the lines meet, if it's red, the substance would be a solid at that pressure and temperature. If it's blue, a liquid. Yellow, a gas. If you look, you'll see that for all temps at 1atm, CO2 will only exist as a gas or a solid. So, since Mars would have a much lower atmospheric pressure than earth, it's likely to only be found as a solid or gas on mars, too.

Actually, I found this http://www.timesofindia.com/04080 0/0 4hlth1.htm article with a search at Google. Neato!

The US has neutron bombs. Russia has neutron bombs. China has neutron bombs, having stolen the plans from the US. Pakistan has neutron bombs if it wants them. India probably has neutron bombs. The information is out there, and eager nations with a rudimentary level of manufacturing infrastructure and raw materials can build what they want.

Weapons aren't inherently "defensive" or "offensive". They only kill or maim people. "Offensive" and "defensive" are just a measure of political justification and the history behind intentions to kill or maim people.

Of course, people actually downloading the whole human genome probable wouldn't worry about this, but couldn't they use a better compression format than .zip? I bet using bzip2 or rar would shave a couple of hundred MBs off of that 753MB file. Also, the differences in compression techniques would be interesting to see on a large group of files mainly consisting of G, A, C, and T. -- demiurge You find a file that appears important and obliterate it from memory!!! Score one for the downtrodden hacker!

• G -- 00
• A -- 01
• T -- 10
• C -- 11

This would only work for the .fa files, but .fa files can contain "N"s also. If you just want to browse the Genome, look through the pieces directory. .