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Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both

Okay, just stop stop stop. You're butchering the quote and as a result perverting it for your own uses:

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

It's not the case that giving up any liberty for security is a lose-lose situation, it's giving up the essential liberties. Make a subjective argument out of that, but without including that modifier you're including any creep on liberties, which obviously isn't the case; there are plenty of laws on the books that even you would agree are good that involve limiting civil liberties, they just don't pass your threshhold.

--trb

No you moron...

The quote is:

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Get your facts straight. And try not to mangle up someone's fucking quote. There's a BIG difference in what the quote says, and what you wrote.

Next time, look this shit up: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

Actually I think Microsoft could improve a lot if its employees took a little LSD.

No hang on that's not me speaking - it's Steve Jobs ... "I
wish him [Bill Gates] the best, I really do. I just think he and Microsoft are a bit narrow. He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once or gone off to an ashram when he was younger."

        * Interview, New York Times (1997)

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs

Similar recently in the USA where the DoJ wants the search results of google because of 'child pornography'.

Very sad that this is happening to our world, to quote Bill Hicks:

"Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace."

According to wikipedia ... bill gates never actually said that: wiki

but me still like

I'm going to accept at face value the dubious claim that you have a girlfriend and read Slashdot :-)

But seriously, hold on to the girl. She's a keeper. You might be interested in the following site, which is full of great house quotes.

"At a time when doom-sayers were hopping around saying everyone was going to starve, Norman was working. He moved to Mexico and lived among the people there until he figured out how to improve the output of the farmers. So that saved a million lives. Then he packed up his family and moved to India, where in spite of a war with Pakistan, he managed to introduce new wheat strains that quadrupled their food output. So that saved another million. You get it? But he wasn't done. He did the same thing with a new rice in China. He's doing the same thing in Afica -- as much of Africa as he's allowed to visit. When he won the Nobel Prize in 1970, they said he had saved a billion people. That's BILLION! Carl Sagan BILLION with a B! And most of them were a different race from him. Norman is the greatest human being, and you probably never heard of him."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

Isn't quoting (or misquoting, or misconstruing...) others statements, writing and intent to justify one's position one of the things at issue?

The truth is the same no matter who speaks it, in what words or context. Learning to recognize it is a growing challenge.

See also Wikiquote.

"You know what they put in the water, don't you? Fluoride. Yeah, fluoride -- on the pretext that it strengthems your teeth! That's ridiculous. You know what that stuff does to you? It weakens your will, destroys your capacity for free and creative thought, and makes you a slave to the state!"
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Conspiracy_Theory

It sounds like you are electroplating your teeth. I figured it would be some kind of electroshock therapy:

"Brush your teeth, Timmy or I'll have to send for The White Angel to come and ask you 'Is it safe?' "

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

The term comes from a 1950 paper by William Robinson. For each of the 48 states in the US as of the 1930 census, he computed the literacy rate and the proportion of the population born outside the US. He showed that these two figures were associated with a positive correlation of 0.53 -- in other words, the greater the proportion of immigrants in a state, the higher its average literacy. However, when individuals are considered, the correlation was 0.11 -- immigrants were on average less literate than native citizens. Robinson showed that the positive correlation at the level of state populations was because immigrants tended to settle in states where the native population was more literate. He cautioned against deducing conclusions about individuals on the basis of population-level, or "ecological" data.

Humm.. wanted to find the source of the quote, before being asked. Looked on Jobs' entry on wikiquote and haven't found it. I must say wikiquote isn't very exhaustive on Jobs' account.

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"
Ben Franklin

The key is that well educated =/= financially sucessful, so there is some truth in both statements above. I think it's well summed up in a quote by, of all people, Karl Rove:

"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans...unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing. "
(From http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Rove)

Freedom is free of the need to be free

You missed the reference: "We're not going to die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so very pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die."

As for TFA, I would personally love to see a continuation of Firefly in some form or another, but another TV series doesn't look like it's in the cards. I've heard suggestions that direct-to-video (DVD) movies would be one way to continue the series, due to the great DVD sales of both Firefly and Serenity on DVD...

Of Cray supercomputer fame...

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Seymore_Cray

(Note the redirect from Seymore to Seymour)

From wikiquote

In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, -- if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people, if well administered; and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.

Speech to the Constitutional Convention (June 28, 1787)

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

>>> I believe it was Miyamoto that said a slipped release date is temporary, but a bad release is permanent.


"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever."

I always thought God is an Iron.

Yep, that would be Baudelaire.

I can't believe people here are still quoting that Bill Gates "640k" quote. For the last time, HE DID NOT SAY IT. IT IS A MYTH.

"I asked for a car, I got a computer. How's that for being born under a bad sign?"

My plan worked perfectly.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ferris_Bueller's_Day_ Off

Yours truly,
Ferris Bueller

People can reasonably have ethical objections to the concept of aborting a fetus for any reason, but it takes a special kind of brain damage to think stem cell research *encourages* women to have abortions.

* - Lest anyone take offense, let's remember that there is a rich, proud history of this. "But since the devil's bride, Reason, that pretty whore, comes in and thinks she's wise, and what she says, what she thinks, is from the Holy Spirit, who can help us, then? Not judges, not doctors, no king or emperor, because [reason] is the Devil's greatest whore."

--Martin Luther

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Luther

I live in the US, I can not see anything the government is doing to indicate it is using religeon to control people.


Then you should stop sticking your head inside your ass:

"I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

We are no longer fighting a great enemy, we are asserting a great principle: that the talents and dreams of average people - their warm human hopes and loves - should be rewarded by freedom and protected by peace. We are defending the nobility of normal lives, lived in obedience to God and conscience, not to government.

The first, higher speed, is "a good thing": A faster connection is always nicer though as many have pointed out the limits are often at the server-end, not the client end. Also the entire ISP model is asynchronous, assuming that we'll all be good little consumers and never be transmitting anything but the occs'l email and requests for more packets, not having our own servers or sending our own audio or video streams.

This is pretty much not what Tim Berners-Lee was thinking when he first developed his World Wide Web, and what he and others have been trying to rectify ever since. Indeed it is contrary to much of the intrinsic nature of the internet architecture where all peers are inherently considered equal and it is all superficially one big dumb network with the clever bits innovating at the edges. Unfortunately this is also pretty much contrary to what ISPs and media companies would very much like everything to be; just another variation of the centralized broadcast model where they plug in a pipe and you get to choose ABC or Disney (oh, they're the same!)

The second topic, monkeying about with what, where, and how packets get transported, is a creeping phenomena that is indeed slowly taking hold. A good early example is the TOS for many of the 'unlimited' wireless digital data services from cellphone companies:

Verizon EDO Terms-of-Service
Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess services cannot be used (1) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or games, (2) with server devices or with host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, Voice over IP (VoIP), automated machine-to-machine connections, or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, or (3) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections.

To borrow a line from HHGTTG:

"Ah," said Arthur, "this is obviously some strange usage of the word 'unlimited' that I wasn't previously aware of."

Already many ISP's block ports, typically port 25 to either stop email spamming or prevent customers from using 3rd party email servers. Also port 139 is often blocked, so Windows users don't accidentally share the contents of their hard drives to the online world. However many go on to block (or significantly degrade traffic on) ports for unambiguously self-interested reasons, such as p2p, or increasingly vendors with whom they compete. One well known example is Telus in Canada who black-holed traffic to a union website (and several thousand other websites unfortunate enough to be co-hosted with it) during a strike. Another is Rogers, also in Canada, who are apparently currently messing about with traffic to/from Apple's iTunes websites.

VOIP is the big target these days. Already several rural US ISPs have had their hands slapped for trying to block it. The ISPs were extensions of the local rural phone companies, heavily Federally subsidized, who'd gone into the data business (also often Federally subsidized). However when their customers stopped making analog calls and started making cheaper VOIP ones they tried to put a stop to this loss of revenue / increase in traffic. Ultimately they were denied this but the issue is one larger and larger ISP's are taking up. BellSouth's chairman and others have increasingly been making their own noises along these lines, and this could indeed be the big flash-point w

To paraphrase the famous quote: Those who would give up essential privacy to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither privacy nor safety.

Of course, the actual quote is: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

So, if you assert that your paraphrase is accurate, you assert that privacy and liberty are the same thing, which is where I would differ. Losing privacy can mean giving up liberty; there are some things we don't do in public because we don't want people knowing/seeing it. But retaining privacy can also mean giving up liberty. For example, in order to exercise the freedom to vote, you have to fill out a form with personal information on it. In order to exercise your economic freedoms through business transactions, you often have to give out information like your address (to ship an item to your house).

Perhaps you do, but I don't consider keeping my address a secret to be "essential." There simply are some activities that cannot be carried out in anonymity. Privacy is more like your time; don't give it all away to someone, but giving it up for something you value more makes perfect sense.

RMS on Chomsky:
"I don't have as complete and overall philosophy as he does. I agree with some of the things he says. I've seen things that he said that I didn't agree with. But certainly what he says about the engineering of consent seems valid. Recently Chomsky gave a speech about what it means to oppose terrorism which I was very impressed by, because he essentially said that we should put an end to terrorism, and that includes the terrorism against the US but also the terrorism committed by the US... and I agree." --Richard Stallman, November 2001
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky
http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/rms-zer0111/index.en. html

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

Don't let those shidiots bother you Mr. Lahey!

Randy.

'... Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!
Woman: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity! ...' [0]

'... I think it was, "Blessed are the cheesemakers." ...' [1]

'..."He's not the messiah; he's a very naughty boy." ...' [2]

'... He has given us... his shoe! ...' [3]

'... You've got to think for yourself! You are all individuals! ...' [4]

I just do eyes. Just - just eyes. Just genetic design. Just eyes.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Blade_Runner

The actual quote is:
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin

Source

What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is its natural manure.

Thomas Jefferson

Speak for me, Oh, great, wise, and pissed-off one :

        * There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary to public interest. This strange doctrine is not supported by statute or common law. Neither individuals nor corporations have any right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back.
                    o Life Line, 1939.
                        R. A. Heinlein

This is a multiple-use quote for the latter ten thousand years or so.
Mo'n'betta, at the same place this was found at.

G'night!

If you're curious as to what the Baroque Cycle is about, the quotes here give a pretty good idea about the novels' setting without really blowing much about the plot: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Neal_Stephenson

Time to dust off the old Benjamin Franklin quote:

"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."

One of the many varients attributed to him at wikiquote. Another gem, from near the bottom:

A Democracy will vote away its rights.

Actually, the Commie Pinko Russkies were on the Axis side, right up to the point where Nazi Germany betrayed their alliance and attacked them by surprise.

Only then did they begin importuning the struggling, stretched-thin Allies with constant demands for ever more resources, without ever showing any sign of gratitude or understanding of the Allied predicament. To their credit, the Allies gave all that they could, and left their own reserves dangerously low, in order to keep Russia in the war and on their side.

I'll repeat this, so we're clear: Stalin and Hitler were allies, right up until the very day that Hitler stabbed Stalin in the back.

So no, Virginia, the Commie Pinko Russkies were not on the Allied side at all. They were ever on their own side, at the expense of everybody else. I'm reminded of the famous words of Winston Churchill: "I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma: but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest." (from a speech broadcast on October 1, 1939). Source.

The Russians were never on the Allied side, only on their own side, and the world suffered greatly from it. First from the free hand in Europe that Stalin's complicity gave Hitler, and then again from the horrors wreaked upon Eastern Europe when the opportunistic Stalin seized a share of the spoils he himself had helped to create.

Anyway, aside from the total historical ignorance, what's your point? That the Stalinist regime wasn't actually as bad as we think? That Soviet Communism didn't actually cause as much trouble as we were led to believe? That the deaths of millions of Russians was a noble sacrifice for world good, rather than the butcher's bill come due for allowing Hitler a free hand in Europe until he was strong enough to turn eastward? That after doing Eastern Europe the great disservice of letting Nazi Germany subjugate its people, the Commie Pinko Russkies had earned the right to claim those same people and their homelands as righteous spoils of war? What, exactly, are you trying to apologize for?

You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

I suppose people might think the 'evil bit' should be applied to the US as well. But seeing as how most of what people to be perceive as malice is actually incompetence, I think the 'incompetence bit' would probably be a better option. It should definitely be applied to all packets coming from the Bush White House.

Well then, this is a good thing. Maybe SCO should realize that their kernel shouldn't contain an endless while(true) loop-- that explains many problems.

No, that's OK, Linux is so fast it does infinite loops in 5 seconds. SCO just needs to use the same techniques and metho... oh, hang on.

In other words "I can't pretent to be the character because he's black and I'm not."

Ouch... though i've got some restecp for your early five digit slashdot account number, i think you crossed a dangerous line here...

You presume the grandparent poster is white. totally ungrounded!
AND You presume the fact that the grandparent poster dislikes the gta character having a spoken (naieve) personality is because it's black. totally ungrounded! (think about it)

It's because the character has _a personality_; it 'speaks' while in GTA3 and GTA: VC the character didn't really say that much -> NOT because the character happens to be black...

It's statements like yours that pave the way to racism.

I can't wait for somebody with the last name "Failure" (or something that sounds like it) to enlist with the army.

Private Failure
Major Failure
General Failure

Mwuahaha...
Although this kinda reminds me of a certain sketch in the movie Spaceballs

Let's quote the source on that now shall we?
Isaac Asimov
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov

I didn't know Dan Rather posted on /.

The quote in full:

"What's a Defabricator?"

Jack's clothes are disintergrated
"Okay defabricator, does exactly what it says on the tin. Ladies, am I naked in front of thousands of viewers?"
"Yes."
"Ladies your ratings just went up."

- Jack Harkness and the Trinny and Suzanna bots, Bad Wolf

With thanks to Wikiquote

Upon being accused of ending his sentences with prepositions, he responded: "This is the sort of pedantry up with which I shall not put."