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I am currently addicted to arena, and actually doing pretty well, our 5v5 team was in the top10 last week. Not so great this week. I'm really hoping to at least make it to the regionals. I've noticed a lot of detractors posting in this topic, and mainly I just wanted to give some comments from someone who is actually deeply involved in Arena play. First, it is ridiculously fun. I haven't had as much fun since I used to play muds back in High School. If you like pvp, and you already have a warcraft account I couldn't recommend Arena more. It takes a lot of skill, quick thinking, coordination, tactics and strategy. More importantly the games last 4 to 6 minutes on average and are very quick paced. It encompasses almost all the things that make pvp fun for me. Second, it is definitely not solely based on gear. If you had watched closely at the beginning of season, the top arena teams were not decked in epics, a lot of the top teams had fairly marginal gear. Of course now they have arena reward gear, but I still firmly believe that skill is much more important than gear, although, unfortunately, gear does help. As the article stated, gear will balance out as everyone basically gets the same Arena gear, which isn't extremely hard to get. An average team will get a piece every three or four weeks, meaning by next season the majority of teams will be wearing similiar arena gear. A lot of the critiques of Arena are accurate though. It is still influenced by gear, it does take a lot of time to level to 70, and even longer to build up enough gear to be somewhat viable, right now there is no way to spectate, there are still class imblances. But overall, I am very impressed with the Arena system. My profile: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet. xml?r=Mal'Ganis&n=Thax

So I looked at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/tinfoilh at.xml, and I have to say, the page is clearly fake. I mean, come on, CLOTH armor? Everyone knows that the tinfoil hat is plate, or at the very least chainmail.

The screenshots and their captions are... interesting.
Tonight, we dine in Hellfire Peninsula!

I just took a look at my own character: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet .xml?r=Thunderhorn&n=Friedmud

I personally really like it. I've used similar services in the past (Allakhazam / Thottbot)... but they left a lot to be desired.

I often want to check what people in my group have both gear and talent wise, so I know what I'm supposed to be doing. For instance, I'm a full Prot spec warrior (as you can see on my page above)... so my main purpose in life is tanking and holding aggro... so I really need to know if that other warrior in my group is also full prot-spec and maybe has better gear/talents for holding aggro... 'cause then I can defer to him. Sure we could sit around and talk about it for a long time (which is what goes on now for the most part)... but it would be a lot simpler to just look him up and compare our stats....

Anyway... I think people that get overly worked up about this are just too damn serious about the game... it's just that, a GAME! Cool off and go kill something....

Friedmud

Character, Alt., Mule, Toon , Avatar, Alter-Ego, does it _really_ matter what we call it? At the end of the day, its _just_ a game. My wife and I call our other characters 'toons. Not sure why you get bent out shape, when there is no _official_ definition for 2nd, 3rd, etc, characters for MMORPGs. Blizzard decided to call them characters but they don't have a monopoly on the slang usage.

WoW is cartoony -- bright, and colorful palette. Which is one of the reason I like playing it, and one reason we abbrev our Alt's as 'toons. Our main guild calls them Alt's, other guilds call them 'Toons. To each their own!

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Where is the Bowcrafting skill in WoW?
So let me get this straight, I can make armor, but I can't repair it??
I miss UO ...

I'd have to go back and look some of them up. I haven't played in well over 1yr.

But I do remember a hunter bug or two that were left on the test server when a patch came out, because they hadn't had time to finish testing it, and it waited until the next patch.

Talk to the warlocks that have been around since launch, and they have had some fun times, as well.

"... most class-breaking bugs are fixed pretty regularly." Yeah, at the next patch.

I've got friends that still play on Argent Dawn, and they still get login queues.

Hey, I'm not saying WoW isn't a great game. I really enjoyed my 9 months there, and then got out when I was bored out of my skull trying to obtain gear. Since PvP in Wow was, to me, just a gank fest with little meaning (and a dumb "honor" system) I quit. But I don't think anyone else is dumb for playing it.

I'm a realist about games. If something is broke, I'll complain about it. If something works, I'll give credit. Heck, I play EQ2 now, and I played it some in the early days while I was still playing WoW. When EQ2 was launched, it was really poor, and I quit after 45 days. Now? I don't know that I would enjoy WoW compared to EQ2. And I probably won't find out, because I won't buy the WoW expansion. No biggie. That doesn't mean WoW sucks. It just means I'm happy where I am.

But WoW patching is NOT frequent. Not compared to other MMOs out there. See the EQ2 forums update page, where they indicate when patches have been done. http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/forums/show.m?f orum_id=330 And note that the last 3 hotfixes aren't listed on there. Some really small ones only show up on the Update Notes screen of the launcher.

Now compare that to this: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/imple mented/ They don't make it easy to see the mini patch stuff there, and the support forums are a nightmare (like all MMO ones are.) If I missed it, oh well!

I'm sorry, but Blizzard is not great at patching.

I literally can't imagine a stupider response on behalf of the Boston police/gov't. I think they were legitimately confused, as to the nature of the signs, and instead of looking for a reasonable answer, let all the fox-news wolf-crying (are terrorists in your kitchen? find out tonight at eleven!) stir them into a bomb-squad frenzy. Then, I think they were so embarassed by their own resulting ineptitude and overreaction that, to save face, they went on the warpath and used their bully pulpit to cow those port advertising guys, as well as everyone at Cartoon Network. Which is a damn shame -- it's as clear a case of abuse of power as you can get. If anyone should be resigning, it's the Mayor, for infringing on freedom of speech and expression. This is not much different, honestly, than this story other than scale.

Any lawyer would interpret that purely as the physical goods you get when you buy the game and NOTHING else.

"permanently transfer all of your rights and obligations under the License Agreement" - A lawyer who thinks rights and obligations are purely physical isn't going to get my money... The relevant right is the following:

1. Grant of a Limited Use License. If you agree to this License Agreement, computer software (hereafter referred to as the "Game Client") will be installed onto your hardware. If your hardware meets the minimum requirements, the installation of the Game Client will enable you to play the Game by accessing your account with the Service (your "Account").

If I transfer this right to someone else, I assume he would be able to use the account that was formerly mine. What's the alternative; would he get a new account?

Full text of the EULA.

What I don't get about WoW is the fact that people complain that they can't level up any more and that the game is restrictive. In fact I had one friend tell me thats why they wanted TBC, so they can progress from Lvl60. I don't really see the fun in playing the game until you get to a point and can then progress no further, it reminds me of the single player worlds - once you're at the end all you can do is play with friends to help them get to the top. But in any case I'd be more interested in the fact that it appears that the 'patch' was given out for free (presumably to make everything nice and compatible) whilst the 'content update' was charged. I find this strange not only coming from EVE as my primary MMO but after seeing this on the WoW website:

Why isn't World of Warcraft free?
World of Warcraft will require a fee to play. This fee will be used to support the costs associated with the high-quality levels of service, support, and ongoing content creation that we are planning for World of Warcraft.

For those interested, I sourced it from the General FAQ: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/faq/general.ht ml

I've asked people what the ongoing content creation has been so far and I've been told a reconfiguration of the Merit system (multiple times), Talents a few times and around about 10 new dungeons. I can see TBC as a major content update but I wonder why everyone is so happily accepting that is being charged for?

As an example of the contrary, EVE has no real upper skill limit (estimates on training _every_ skill in EVE amount to the years) and also has free content updates for a lower monthly fee. In fact Revelations, the last content update, did similar to TBC in a way: they added a whole new set of items, new skills (I'm told these are akin to talents), new abilities within the game (you can now salvage things and do invention as well (an extension of manufacturing)). If you're more interested in what free content updates there have been (and theres been 5 of them since the games release in May 2003) you can check out the EVE Website: http://www.eve-online.com/features/

I guess a space MMO isn't what people want, thats great, but when they go to WoW I wonder. You're paying more consistently to get what seems like lower service (no idling when you have large numbers of servers plus wait times to join) and you get charged for major content updates. Did I miss something?

I like fantasy, but I love hard sci-fi, with bigass guns and technology and, you know, Outer Space.

I like fantasy, but I love hard sci-fi, with bigass guns and technology and, you know, Outer Space.

I like fantasy, but I love hard sci-fi, with bigass guns and technology and, you know, Outer Space.

This $50 expansion is basically a big patch for their game.

• Honor System Revamp - A major new way of doing player-vs-player (PVP) that improved on the old system by making it far less "play it or lose it"
  
• New arena PVP instances
  
• A re-tooled UI API that improves security, and thus reduces gold-farming and botting abuses
  
• The full level 1-70 talent system revamp (even though you can't level to 70 without the expansion, you can choose to spend your points on getting level-70-ready talents with the patch)
  
• A massive improvement to pet-classes in the high-end game by giving bonuses from gear to pets as well
  
• A looking-for-group tool that enables a much smoother means of finding others to play with
  
• Support for advanced MacOS graphics features that makes WoW much nicer on Macs
  

I bet we'll start seeing 'BUY YOUR INGAME CASH HERE!' adverts like we see on many how-to sites for some of the more popular MMOs (namely WoW and my favourite, Anarchy Online).

AI voters

Please wake me up when it becomes sentient ...

In 2007 IdolNet beomes self aware and launches the attack that will end 3 billion lives in an instant of fire ...

There's a ton of stuff that Blizzard implemented in Vanilla WoW without requiring people to buy an expansion pack. You can see them here, but what follows is a small summary of patch content:

- Maraudon (Dungeon)
- Dire Maul (Dungeon)
- Outdoor Raid Encounters
- PvP Honor System/Battlegrounds
- Blackwing Lair (40 man raid)
- Zul'Gurub (20 man raid)
- Ahn'Qiraj (20 and 40 man raids)
- Naxxramas (40 man raid)

Each of these new boosts added new armor sets, trinkets, items, etc.

Note that this isn't an exhaustive list, but only highlights the main points. Plus, the fact that Blizzard was providing this content for over two years without an expansion is pretty nice, imo. Everquest pushed out expansions every 6 months, if I recall correctly.

As for the Burning Crusade, originally I wasn't planning on purchasing it. However, I handed over the $40, and so far I haven't regretted any cent of it. The new world is absolutely stunning, with a wide variety of quests, plenty of eyecandy, wonderful new skills and armor sets, and some really nice dungeons that I enjoy playing through with my friends. :)

Your servers are not prepared!!

Serious aside: once you get your copy, there is no need to run the installer from the discs. All you need is the key to upgrade your account using the provided key—you already have all the content as of the 2.0 patch series. If you run the installer, it rolls your local copy back to 2.0.3, and once you start the game, you would go through two patch cycles back to 2.0.5. Save yourself some time and just upgrade your account directly at https://upgrade.worldofwarcraft.com/expansion/.

But does it run li^H^H the burninating crusade?

I've been running http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ on FreeBSD and Linux systems for nearly two years (using wine).

• iPods are Terrorism!
• Blockbuster 'iPods on a plane'
• iPods failing at "toilet flushing"

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=59665994&sid=1 Here is the official release from blizzard. If I read it correctly, they say that they are planning to head that way and they are currently testing this on live server. Nothing is definate yet, they may have weekly maintainence or they may not have weekly maintainence. All depends on their result of "testing" Its too early to jump to conclusion yet.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html Section 3.A excerpt All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural or landscape designs, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, character likenesses, methods of operation, moral rights, and any related documentation) are owned or licensed by Blizzard. So, I would be paying taxes on items owned by Blizzard? So, next time I get my property taxes, I'm sending them to my neighbor since they came over for that BBQ a while back...

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jses sionid=32DA4C09BEB07855088A6F20EBB8C4DE?topicId=11 211166&sid=1

"The issue of false positives were related to a single build of Cedega, so this affected only a subset of Cedega users." -- Tseric, Blizzard Poster, posted here.

In consideration of our error, we are applying a credit of two weeks play time onto your account, in addition to crediting back the time that your account was locked. This comes to a total of twenty (2O) days credit, which should be visible on your account within the end of the week.

TOS = Terms of Service.

"We have been testing our security software with Cedega. Cedega was used and tested before the security procedures and during the security procedures. From this testing we have yielded no hits, meaning Cedega, by itself, does not incur an account suspension. We have accounts of several Cedega users who have been playing normally during the time that these processes are running. Again, these people are not being suspended simply because of using Cedega or Linux. We are in contact with the people at Cedega and following up with them regarding individual accounts. To answer the OP's question, no it is not against the ToS to use Linux or Cedega. We continue to monitor the situation to prevent cases of false positives and to rectify them if they do occur."

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=3

I hate bots in WoW as much as anyone, but Blizzard needs to WARN people that a 3rd party program is running on their system. WARN them. Every time it's detected.

I believe Blizzard's WoW launcher does so to a degree:

"Automatic Trojan/Cheat-Program Scan"

"If a Trojan or third-party World of Warcraft cheat program is detected on the system on which the Blizzard Launcher is running, a message will appear with additional helpful information. Trojans are hidden programs designed for a number of malicious purposes, such as spreading computer viruses and stealing World of Warcraft account and password information. The Blizzard Launcher is intended as an additional level of security against these programs, but we strongly recommend that players also install dedicated anti-virus software on their computers."

"Third-party cheat programs are designed to give players an unfair advantage in World of Warcraft. The scan that the Blizzard Launcher performs is provided solely for your protection and to give you an opportunity to remove any detected cheat program before you play World of Warcraft. It does not report any information back to Blizzard. If you choose to bypass the Blizzard Launcher (see below) and run World of Warcraft without removing any cheat program it might have identified for you, you risk having your World of Warcraft account closed if the cheat is detected while you're in game, regardless of who was responsible for installing it."

"We've often found that players whose account information had been compromised by a Trojan program or whose World of Warcraft accounts were banned for using a third-party cheat program while playing were unaware that these programs existed on the computer they used to play the game. This scan will be particularly helpful to those players who share computer access with multiple users, as is the case in Internet gaming cafes and single-computer households."

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/misc/launcher.html

No anti-cheating effort will be 100% error free 100% of the time. I think judgement should be made on how often errors occur and how a company handles reports of errors. The statements before and after indicate a pretty decent handling of the situation. Especially for an unsupported OS. Apparently not all Cedega users were banned, the problem must have been intermittent. This is consistent with what many Cedega users were saying, that they have been playing and everything was fine.

So, they test in an unsupported environment and promptly investigate problems and address them. IMHO Blizzard is showing Linux some respect, as they did many years ago for Macintosh when most people laughed at it. Hopefully history will repeat itself.

What they said before the investigation when the report of problem first came in:

"We have been testing our security software with Cedega. Cedega was used and tested before the security procedures and during the security procedures. From this testing we have yielded no hits, meaning Cedega, by itself, does not incur an account suspension. We have accounts of several Cedega users who have been playing normally during the time that these processes are running. Again, these people are not being suspended simply because of using Cedega or Linux. We are in contact with the people at Cedega and following up with them regarding individual accounts. To answer the OP's question, no it is not against the ToS to use Linux or Cedega. We continue to monitor the situation to prevent cases of false positives and to rectify them if they do occur."

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=3

What they said after investigating:

"Greetings,

As you know, Blizzard Entertainment traditionally makes a serious commitment to protect the World of Warcraft community from players who gain unfair advantage through hacks and exploits. Last week, our administrators implemented bans on a large number of accounts that were identified acting against the terms and the spirit of the game.

However, it has since come to our attention that a very small percentage of those accounts should not have been banned. This case of mistaken identity seems to be isolated to users of an unsupported, Linux-based Windows emulator called Cedega.

Once this pattern was brought to Blizzard's attention, our staff worked directly in conjunction with the Cedega development team in a rigorous and thorough review of the situation. We have since determined that your account was one of those accidentally flagged, and as such we are immediately reinstating your account to fully playable status.

Blizzard Entertainment deeply regrets the error, as we understand that this brief account closure presented you with an inconvenient and highly frustrating experience. We remain firmly committed to enforcing our regulations and suspensions for those exploiting our game, in the interest of ensuring that our legitimate customers have the best possible play experience. In this case, however, we regretfully caught a handful of innocent customers in the process, and for that we offer you our genuine apology.

In consideration of our error, we are applying a credit of two weeks play time onto your account, in addition to crediting back the time that your account was locked. This comes to a total of twenty (2O) days credit, which should be visible on your account within the end of the week.

If you have any other questions or concerns regarding this account, please do not hesitate to let us know. We appreciate your extraordinary patience in this matter and hope you will continue to enjoy your time in World of Warcraft.

Regards,

World of Warcraft Support Team
Blizzard Entertainment"

http://www.linuxlookup.com/2006/nov/22/blizzard_un bans_linux_world_of_warcraft_players

Try posting a link to this site on http://forums.wow-europe.com/ and http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com./ See how fast it gets deleted - I posted a link to it twice and both deleted within a flash. The story they want you to believe: The Warden caught the cheat. It looks the reality is a slightly less sophisticated piece of anti-cheat software.

Last winter, it challenged players to team up and fuel a worldwide war effort. As a payoff, it unlocked new territory. This was a good example of letting the users drive a story, but Warcraft needs more of them.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47160852&sid=1 --- Why you were banned... This post is a discussion on why I believe a lot of people were banned, including my partner. There has been a lot of discussion on this lately with theories ranging from 'It is Auctioneer' to 'Your Banning Linux Users'. I have to admit I was a fan of the latter, posts from blues and from Transgaming (Cedega) suggest that this is an overly simplistic view. My goal is to establish a most plausible reason for the recent bannings, not to incite argument, but to provide some explanation of what has happened by the simple application of Logic. In the absence of any information from blizzard this is all we have, I seriously doubt I will get it all correct and suspect a few of you can provide additional information beyond the inevitable "you're a cheat, LRN2PLAYNOOB" posts which will follow. How can you identify 'cheats'... This is a pertinent question. How, in a system like World of Warcraft can you implement a mechanism to identify Cheats. You could implement an 'Agent' to find occurrences of known hacks and packages, which has clearly been done in the past. This is too simplistic as there will be a continual race between the cheat authors (i.e. glider) and blizzard to lock these programs out. Or You could establish a system where you check for 'patterns' of use. This would be a more complex solution, in the long run these types of solutions yield better results, in the short term there is a *lot* of training and fine tuning required to get it right. This is synonymous with anti-spam software like SpamAssassin. In my opinion based on a long career in the IT industry, I suspect blizzard have implemented the second option and the 'Warden' program is simply one of the tools used to identify these patterns. Pattern Matching If you consider a pattern matching solution (lets call it the CheatAssassin) it is necessary to establish a checklist of habits that a cheat would be likely to exhibit. This is by no means a comprehensive list, it has been provided as an example of what a theoretical 'CheatAssassin' would do and is restricted to behaviors that could be easily identified through the server logs. Gold Farmers: 1. Likely to spend inordinate amounts of time grinding on relatively low level mobs for gold. 2. Would in all probability hold an unusually large amount of gold for the level. 3. More likely to sell any blues and purples on the AH, even items better than they currently hold. 4. May run certain mods. (i.e. Auctioneer, Bottomfeeder) Bots: 5. Likely to spend inordinate amounts of time grinding on relatively low level mobs. 6. Likely to be wearing a very low level gear for the level of the character. 7. Likely to be lagging, or too advanced in associated stats (trade skills). 8. May spend time walking into walls, trees etc. 9. May exhibit the same patters identified for Gold Farmers. 10. Will use the same spells, command sequences, and behaviours. 11. Would not respond to a 'prompt' or a /whisper. Other 'suspicious' activities: 12. Runs on a non-standard platform or in a restricted environment. (ie Cedega). 13. Other installed applications (i.e. Wow Model Viewer, debuggers etc). 14. Large gold transfers. 15. IP Address changes (in US one day, China the next) How pattern matching works... First, you would establish a mechanism for identifying the required patterns, this can be easily done via the warden, Log file parsing and data mining on the servers. Second, you would then attribute a 'Weighting' to each of the suspect patterns. For example: 1. Spending inordinate amounts of time grinding on relatively low level mobs for gold 50 Points. 2. Running on a non-standard platform or in a restricted environment 20 Points. 3. Likely to be lagging, or too advanced in associated stats (trade skills) 5 Points. 4. May run certain mods. (i.e. Auctioneer, Bottom Feeder) 5 Points.

Actually, they're obligated to let you use it as long as they choose to let you use it. The WoW Eula is very similar to "At will" employment agreements, in that either side can terminate it at any time.

From section 6 of the EULA
"Blizzard may terminate this Agreement at any time for any reason or no reason."

Adhering to their terms isn't sufficient to guarantee continued service, at least from a eula point of view.

More on that note. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jses sionid=77EABEA128A666DABBFB522B00495DE7?topicId=47 009071&pageNo=3&sid=1#40

They don't support it, fine. That's their prerogative. But there's a difference between breaking and banning. This is denial of a paid service when the customer was likely adhering to their end of the contract.

Blizzard Entertainment reserves the right to terminate this Agreement without notice, if, in Blizzard Entertainment's sole and absolute discretion, you fail to comply with any terms contained in these Terms of Use or the World of Warcraft EULA.

Blizzard Entertainment may, in its sole and absolute discretion, take whatever action it deems necessary to preserve the integrity of World of Warcraft.

Blizzard has denied banning Linux: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47158791&sid=1&pageNo=2

But they haven't said exactly what they banned all these people for.

"We have been testing our security software with Cedega. Cedega was used and tested before the security procedures and during the security procedures. From this testing we have yielded no hits, meaning Cedega, by itself, does not incur an account suspension. We have accounts of several Cedega users who have been playing normally during the time that these processes are running. Again, these people are not being suspended simply because of using Cedega or Linux. We are in contact with the people at Cedega and following up with them regarding individual accounts. To answer the OP's question, no it is not against the ToS to use Linux or Cedega. We continue to monitor the situation to prevent cases of false positives and to rectify them if they do occur." http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=3

As evidenced by this thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47138796&sid=1/

When God, when will you stop the torment of your unix-based children?

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&pageNo=3&sid=1#40 http://www.transgaming.com/

Seems I was wrong, at least on one point. The ToS & ToU do not prohibit the use of Caldega/WINE. That said, Blizzard has posted saying Warden doesn't flag users using Caldega for suspension. Supposedly they're following up on it now. Sounds like there's more to this than what's on the face of it.

Read the Community Manager response here:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&pageNo=3&sid=1#40

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jses sionid=1CE032655CAF22AA7AC6733584FF4BF9?topicId=47 009071&pageNo=3&sid=1#40 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=3#53 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=4#73 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=4#78 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=5#93 Bliz posters are saying that they are looking at it and have been for quite sometime, working Cedega, Gnome and other Linux / Winux style OS's. Take a look at the posts Tseric is usually pretty upfront about stuff like this and will tell you what he knows...

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jses sionid=1CE032655CAF22AA7AC6733584FF4BF9?topicId=47 009071&pageNo=3&sid=1#40 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=3#53 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=4#73 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=4#78 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=5#93 Bliz posters are saying that they are looking at it and have been for quite sometime, working Cedega, Gnome and other Linux / Winux style OS's. Take a look at the posts Tseric is usually pretty upfront about stuff like this and will tell you what he knows...

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jses sionid=1CE032655CAF22AA7AC6733584FF4BF9?topicId=47 009071&pageNo=3&sid=1#40 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=3#53 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=4#73 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=4#78 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=5#93 Bliz posters are saying that they are looking at it and have been for quite sometime, working Cedega, Gnome and other Linux / Winux style OS's. Take a look at the posts Tseric is usually pretty upfront about stuff like this and will tell you what he knows...

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jses sionid=1CE032655CAF22AA7AC6733584FF4BF9?topicId=47 009071&pageNo=3&sid=1#40 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=3#53 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=4#73 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=4#78 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=5#93 Bliz posters are saying that they are looking at it and have been for quite sometime, working Cedega, Gnome and other Linux / Winux style OS's. Take a look at the posts Tseric is usually pretty upfront about stuff like this and will tell you what he knows...

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jses sionid=1CE032655CAF22AA7AC6733584FF4BF9?topicId=47 009071&pageNo=3&sid=1#40 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=3#53 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=4#73 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=4#78 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=5#93 Bliz posters are saying that they are looking at it and have been for quite sometime, working Cedega, Gnome and other Linux / Winux style OS's. Take a look at the posts Tseric is usually pretty upfront about stuff like this and will tell you what he knows...

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&pageNo=3&sid=1#40 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=3#53 "We have been testing our security software with Cedega. Cedega was used and tested before the security procedures and during the security procedures. From this testing we have yielded no hits, meaning Cedega, by itself, does not incur an account suspension. We have accounts of several Cedega users who have been playing normally during the time that these processes are running. Again, these people are not being suspended simply because of using Cedega or Linux. We are in contact with the people at Cedega and following up with them regarding individual accounts. To answer the OP's question, no it is not against the ToS to use Linux or Cedega. We continue to monitor the situation to prevent cases of false positives and to rectify them if they do occur." - Tseric (Blizzard poster) Again, less knee-jerk reactions.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&pageNo=3&sid=1#40 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topi cId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=3#53 "We have been testing our security software with Cedega. Cedega was used and tested before the security procedures and during the security procedures. From this testing we have yielded no hits, meaning Cedega, by itself, does not incur an account suspension. We have accounts of several Cedega users who have been playing normally during the time that these processes are running. Again, these people are not being suspended simply because of using Cedega or Linux. We are in contact with the people at Cedega and following up with them regarding individual accounts. To answer the OP's question, no it is not against the ToS to use Linux or Cedega. We continue to monitor the situation to prevent cases of false positives and to rectify them if they do occur." - Tseric (Blizzard poster) Again, less knee-jerk reactions.

We have been testing our security software with Cedega. Cedega was used and tested before the security procedures and during the security procedures. From this testing we have yielded no hits, meaning Cedega, by itself, does not incur an account suspension. We have accounts of several Cedega users who have been playing normally during the time that these processes are running. Again, these people are not being suspended simply because of using Cedega or Linux. We are in contact with the people at Cedega and following up with them regarding individual accounts. By all estimation of the facts, the OP's supposition is false. We continue to monitor the situation to prevent cases of false positives and to rectify them if they do occur.

The full links to WoW EULA and ToS, with notes citing what part you were referring too, would've been sufficient, ;-).

That said, ToS: 13.A appears to be what you quoted. When I read this and cross-referenced it with the information about the patches I hypothesized that maybe some debug code left in Cedega to figure out the old problem was accidentally left there and Blizzard is responding with the ToS:13.A.iii portion of the ToS? There is also EULA:4.B and EULA:5 (nearly identical to ToS:13.A.iii).

Has anyone outside of Cedega been banned about this same period of time? Has the problem been properly identified? Is it coincidence that Cedega users saw the problem and that there's a bunch outside transgaming that is also seeing the problem?

The full links to WoW EULA and ToS, with notes citing what part you were referring too, would've been sufficient, ;-).

That said, ToS: 13.A appears to be what you quoted. When I read this and cross-referenced it with the information about the patches I hypothesized that maybe some debug code left in Cedega to figure out the old problem was accidentally left there and Blizzard is responding with the ToS:13.A.iii portion of the ToS? There is also EULA:4.B and EULA:5 (nearly identical to ToS:13.A.iii).

Has anyone outside of Cedega been banned about this same period of time? Has the problem been properly identified? Is it coincidence that Cedega users saw the problem and that there's a bunch outside transgaming that is also seeing the problem?