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Re:did you see
Find me a 16MHz SGI machine, or whatever RISC hard-on chip you like from back then, and I'll take a 300MHz Pentium 2 and stomp it into shit.
I said -usable- speed.
I'll take my Amiga 600 with 2MB of RAM, switch it on, load Workbench in 12 seconds, then will be editing an image in DeluxePaint in another 10 seconds, with music playing in the background.
Do the same with Windows XP and a gfx program of your choice on a 300MHZ CPU. Try this even on a 4GHZ CPU. With 64MB RAM :P
Sure Amiga is poor at number crunching, but good I/O made for great, fast, responsive, comfortable user interface, and easy programming resulted in fast, short, efficient programs. Programming PC is a hell, so different toolboxes, APIs etc were made to make it easier, and they are horribly heavyweight. Result? What on some 4 MIPS took 10 cycles, on 4 GIPS takes 20,000.
PC won, it's a fact. Not by quality or performance, but by right marketing decisions. Apple didn't tackle the opportunity to lower prices and go out to the masses, and others died due to stagnation and horrible marketing. And that's the only reason why I can't have "these things he was talking about". Because good design is dead, ugly hack rules.
The name of the game wasn't DOS/IBM, except in business/office environment. Times of DOS were times of variety. DOS for office, Mac and Amiga for studio, 8-bit toys for kids, VAXes, SGIs and all the other big iron for universities and computational centres. Amstrad, Commodore, Atari, Spectrum, Tandy, hundreds of brand names. IBM was nowhere near the top. Before it gained domination, DOS was dead. Win311 was dying. IBM was on the treshold of bankruptcy. The market got flooded with cheap taiwaneese clones. The name of the game was Win95 and Pentium.
I don't even understand how since the XBox should have been faulted into 32-bit protected mode
http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/17_Mistakes_Microso ft_Made_in_the_Xbox_Security_System#The_A20_Hack
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Re:PC Wins hands down.
The real bright side of this is that Xbox hacking has already started at http://www.free60.org/
It has already been done with the original Xbox and if the flaws that allowed Linux to be ran http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Current_events are any indication of Microsofts security framework then running linux on the 360 should be possible soon. -
Re:From TFA...OK Lets See.
Re:From TFA...(Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on SaturdayfSck off and die,
Why so hostile?
the only reason anyone hacks an xbox is so they can play games they didn't buyRight, nobody uses:
http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Main_Page FreeBSD,Linux and Darwin.
http://www.dynebolic.org/ Multimedia Studio XBOX Linux Live CD
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A464 28-2005Jan29.html XBOX Media Center
http://www.xboxstation.com/modules.php?name=News&f ile=article&sid=22 SoftMod
http://xport.xbox-scene.com/ Emulation of Old Systems that we OWNMaybe all these people are just wasting their time so losers can pirate games, but then again, if you look closely you will find more than a few Developers like the Idea of a $150.00 PC with TV out and Net Access.
I know I owe them my thanks, I'm purchasing an old black box right after the next price drop around 2006 (PS3 Launch). I probably won't even pick up 1 game. I just need a media extension in another room.
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Re:"Next Gen" is a buzzword
"Next Gen" can have several meanings. If you were to have a child, that child would be the next generation. The child in not entirely different from you, but it is a compeltely different offspring, making it "v2.0". While they might use market hype to convince you their "next gen" system blows current consoles away (which is the point of marketing, no one wants to buy a console that is 'kind of better, and sort of faster'), it does not mean that the system truly is next generation. At the same time, it seems the lines between what a generation is, in terms of consoles, has begun to blur. It was easy to see when graphics went from 8-bit to 16-bit to 32-bit to 64-bit, and when the graphics went from 2d to 3d. What do you use now to draw that line? HD resolution? DVD drive? HD-DVD drive? Multi Core Processor? I think there is no clear answer.
While I'm at it, I'm pretty fed up with people singing to the tune of "no one wants to use the media center capabilities, i just want a sweet ass gaming rig." Well, believe it or not, Microsoft actually learned something from the original XBOX. Maybe some of you have been in a cave or actively turn your heads away from all things XBOX, but two of the main reasons to mod an original XBOX is for the use of Linux and for XBOX Media Center (not counting the added bonus of playing 4-player RC Pro Am Torunaments). While Microsoft will never condone the use of Linux on a Microsoft product (save the future release of Microsoft 'Nix 2006), the new incarnation of XBOX takes away the need to modigy the product to use it as a media center. The other side of opposition is people using Tunnelling software to play games over the internet for free instead of paying for Xbox-Live. Microsoft also addressed that by making some form of Xbox-Live free for all users of Xbox 360. So congrats to Micosoft on taking suggestions.
Having said all that, I see no reason for me to shell out money on the Xbox 360. I have all of those features on my current xbox. The only benefit to me would be if the game quality was leaps and bounds above the current Xbox, which it doesn't look like to me. Sure the games look good, but so do my current Xbox games when hooked up to my plasma screen with component cables and my surround sound with an optical cord.
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Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul
I'm pretty talented and I'd like an xbox 360 to hack
;-) Because Microsoft now has a custom processor, they probably won't make the same mistake of putting the initial boot code off-chip. This is the link Andrew "S" Bunnie snooped on to do the the original xbox hack (and on the 360, there was no attempt to hide the traces, so I don't think any decryption keys will travel over them). So, to dissect this box it will probably take a software exploit (like the PSP hacks), or a de-layering of the processor chip. The second approach sounds more fun, but will cost $$.
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Re:mod chip
XBMC is for people that want a quick solution that is easy to get up and running with minimal tweaking.
It's not the only option.
You can run Xbox Linux and have your full Linux system available if you like.
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Re:is it just me is the 299 version utterly pointl
Does anyone have any information about those three bugs?
It wasn't so much three bugs as there exist three ways to defeat the security code in the 512-byte ROM.
Here're the details, Slashdot covered it a while back. -
Re:dupe
Not every Wiki is Wikipedia, for crying out loud.
Correction: Not every wiki that looks like Wikipedia is Wikipedia. It does look the same, but when the URL starts with http://www.xbox-linux.org/, that's kind of a giveaway. -
And you can always get help from the list online..
Almost forgot - you can get help from the list of people on the Xbox-Linux project.
The Xbox Linux project maintains a database of people that can prepare your Xbox for Linux, for free, either doing the Software or the Hardware method.
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$60 games? $300 console?
Boy oh boy, that content sure is getting expensive. Better make more use out of the "cheap" hardware:
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Re:No ethernet? - Gentoox been going years
or if you want linux with a GUI that's actually usable on the xbox, try xdsl... with the xbox's limited RAM, xdsl is the most usable one I've tried.
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Re:In other news...
It's troll posts like this that make Slashdot great.
Of course this is news. Do you think you can just fire BSD into your xbox and everything will run fine and dandy?
Maybe you should read the xbox linux contest rules:
Project A
Project B
This, by the way, was a *contest* to get linux running on xbox, the prize for which was a total of $200K donated by Michael Robertson of Linspire fame.
Strange that he should offer so much for running Linux on "what amounts to a hacked up x86 pc"...
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Re:In other news...
It's troll posts like this that make Slashdot great.
Of course this is news. Do you think you can just fire BSD into your xbox and everything will run fine and dandy?
Maybe you should read the xbox linux contest rules:
Project A
Project B
This, by the way, was a *contest* to get linux running on xbox, the prize for which was a total of $200K donated by Michael Robertson of Linspire fame.
Strange that he should offer so much for running Linux on "what amounts to a hacked up x86 pc"...
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I'm not worried.
>My sources say that Jobs is going to use Intel's cryptographic
> technology called LaGrande to make sure OS X will only boot on
> Apple-branded hardware. This is a similar technique to the one
>that Microsoft used to make sure Linux could not be loaded on
> Xbox.
Well THAT worked well didn't it?
XBox Linux
It took all of what, 6 weeks before Linux was loaded on an XBox?
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Re:Important question
http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Getting_Started#8
check www.xbox-linux.org but i believe that in order to use the mechassault bootstrap, you have to have an older xbox.
putting such an xbox onto live will stealthily load new firmware onto the xbox,
disabling the ability to bootstrap linux through mechassault or through a bootcd...
(why i won't play halo2 online w/my xbox).
installing a modchip w/the cromwell bios is a way around this.
as i understand it the only reprecussion for this is the disabling of linux, i don't think microsoft will take legal action (fair use?). -
Xbox-Linux.org
Meh. You can install Linux on an MS Xbox, and the console costs only $150, not $200 like this setup. Not to mention that the Xbox has a built-in hard drive, DVD-ROM, video out, USB, a working Ethernet port...and it's an x86 processor as opposed to an ARM, so you're more likely to find precompiled applications for it.
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another solution
the article talks about distributed computing on large scale which is not very feasible for all the above mentioned reasons like
a) companies wouldn't spend money on building this into the console
b) most consumers cannot be bothered
There will be people who'd be interested though. I'd try it if I had a ps3... However with more and more use of clustered smaller machines in place of large supercomputers, clusters of consoles have been built in unis and research labs (for example here or here. There are a few advantages to using consoles:
a) they are cheaper
b) they are small form factor
c) they have hardware optimised for computation (at least ps2 does and ps3 will).
Sony had released linux on ps2 and word is they will be releasing linux for ps3 with extensions for the Cell's SPUs. Once ps3 has a fully featured OS any scientific app can be ported and modified to run on it. Now M$ on the other hand, well, I don't see them releasing any OS for XBOX 2*Pi but maybe the xbox linux crowd will take care of that. -
It'd happen anyways...
They don't have to put a computer OS on it at all, no. But it's not a dumb move to put on a popular one in the first place. It'd happen anyways.
The way I see it, Sony saves the average joe some time and effort. Sony gets more people interested in making games, or other apps, for their system which reduces costs in R&D. The Average Joe gets a new toy to play with, and rip apart (hopefully) legally. Sony gets money, We get toys and more fun, and everyone's happy.
You couldn't do that with Windows. Not unless every Xbox 360 comes with a copy of Visual Studio.
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Re:Hmmm. kill microsoft? or help them?
RiscOS computers (previously called Acorn computers) have had the OS on a ROM for the last 16 years, but it doesn't stop you from running Linux on it.
In the UK it is already legislated that you can't mess with your hardware, and trying to mod a PS2 can land you in jail. You make a good point about the xbox, even though they failed, but if a 3rd party is making the machine then they don't have much incentive to lock it to Windows unless bribed by M$.
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Re:One fact not noted
That word theoretical is the one to watch... I'm going to assume they are also taking into account the graphics hardware's power, so the GPU could account for 1/3 of that total teraflop they're advertising... Still, if it's anywhere near...we should see some nice cheap server farms once they get Linux on this one
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But.Will it run Linux?
Seriously, I would really love to see Tux scream on this thing!
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Can't wait 'til the new XBox comes out...
'cos with any luck, that'll mean everyone'll be selling off their old XBoxen, and that means more Linux on the XBox for me. Seriously, can't wait 'til the old ones are $50 a pop...and I also can't wait to see Linux running on the new version.
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Re:The only problem with this contest....
Is that the winners get X-Boxes....
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Re:Upgrade Cycle
"well - that's just as well 'modding' as well(and don't you need to short some leg inside the case as well?). that is not trivial for a normal user."
Actually, instructions are available on http://www.xbox-linux.org/ for the soft-mod exploit. It's as easy as going out, buying the game required and an adaptor cable for your USB pendrive to copy the save onto the xbox. It will ruin Xbox Live compatibility, but based on the assumption you wont be using the xbox for those games any more. It is trivial for the normal user; it just requires some extra hardware many people will already have (No need to buy an adaptor cable...splice together an inline-release cable from xbox, and an old USB cable, for example). -
A bunch of stuff!
Being good open-source citizen, you will immediately donate that $100 gift to your favorite OSS project! Thank you! Or Maybe just a few bucks.
Or, you can buy a bunch of little stuff, like:
Super-strong neodymium magnets. Magnets sound boring, but these things are really, really strong. Get the spherical ones.
There's a whole host of cheap, unusual geeky projects at American Science & Surplus.
Get a cheap computer. Buy a Used Xbox, and install Xbox Linux on it.
Color changing lights. The color change is nice and smooth. Popular with the kids.
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This was interesting to me
I'm not a FPS fan myself nor do I play a lot of XboX.
My older brother was here a week ago and he's into FPS. He played Halo 2 with my other brothers and the first thing he said "I wish I had a keyboard and a mouse!" (He played Halo 1 on his PC).
I didn't know there was an extension for XboX to plug in keyboards and mice, I'm sure my older brother would have bought XFPS just to play Halo 2 on the 2 weeks vacation he was here.
I wonder though if Xebian takes advantage of this device. I ran it before on the XboX, but it was extremely painful to use the joystick to control the mouse pointer and to type.
I use my computer for serious work (Yes, that includes posting to Slashdot :P) and I got really excited about Xebian because my younger brothers use the computer for basic web browsing and instant-messaging, and Xebian can satisfy that and get them off my back.If Xebian uses XFPS, I'll definitely get it!
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Re:Come on...
distributed.net has already completed a 2^64 operation challenge a few years ago, which along with Moores law puts 2^69 ops into the realm of the possible.
What's interesting about this is that a project like this might actually have a chance of succeeding now.
See this link, section 1.2 for a little more detail on the subject.
While this doesn't help them with discovering Microsoft's private key, it could allow them to generate a modified version of a tool like GRUB who's bits hash to the same value as a Microsoft-approved binary.
Although not quite as cool as getting the actual key, this would allow running arbitray unsigned code without the need to buy a game and use a buffer overflow exploit, solder in a modchip, etc. This might also work for other game systems and similarly locked down devices. -
Re:Warranty?
To be frank, both the Xbox and the Mac Mini can make great media boxes. They both have different benefits as well.
To address the parent:
1. Xbox noise: I haven't noticed it to be noisy at all. Even with the additional fan a added to help cool the upgraded drive it is still quiet.
2. Both Xbox and Mac Mini video cards are decent for a media box. Both can be output to HDTV. The Xbox can also output 480p and 1080p to VGA monitors with a special cable.
3. The Xbox requires some hacking to get it to become a media pc. This may either be considered a pain in the ass, or fun depending on your view. The modchip solder job is not all that complex (say compared to a PS2). There is no option for video recording on an Xbox this can be a down side. The Xbox has a remote as well.
Since we all no the Mac Mini's benefits - what can you do with an Xbox?
You can swap in a large hard drive (I went with a 160GB, you can go higher) for media storage.
Install Xbox Media Center (XBMC) which gives you:
audio playback (I'm not sure what codecs, MP3 of course)
video playback (DVD, MPG, DIVX, XVID, Quicktime etc.)
picture viewer
Internet streaming audio support
The current weather report
Streams all media types off of Samba shares on the network if you don't want to put them on the local Xbox hard drive.
XBMC is a slick menu driven application which is very simple to use while sitting on the couch. In depth configuration is accomplished through easy to edit XML files. It is also skinnable, so you can make the interface match your living room decor. It integrates all of your media access into one nice program.
If you want more information check out:
www.xboxmediacenter.de
So what else do you get with a modded Xbox? Well, the big thing is games. There are emulators for just about every old console and computer system available for Xbox. So if playing Atari's Adventure or Super Mario Brothers on your big old HDTV sounds good - this is the way to go. Plus you get to play Robotron with two joysticks just like back in the arcade. All of the emulators work nicely with the standard controllers - so there is no question of while my controller work properly with this emulator (as occurs int the PC world).
If you are interested in seeing what kind of Emulation is available for the Xbox check out:
Xport
The Xbox itself has a huge library of games which you can still play on your modified Xbox. Xbox live might be iffy though.
You can of course also install a full blown Linux installation on the Xbox if you like (as you can on the Mac although you hardly need to).
For information about Xbox Linux check out:
Xbox Linux
How much does this all cost?
$150 Xbox unit
$30-$70 Mod chip
$100-$150 Hard drive
You figure on spending about $300 or so for the modded setup.
One thing should be mentioned. Modding the Xbox is illegal, using emulators is pretty iffy too and certainly against copyright law if you don't own the ROMs etc. Most Xbox applications are illegal as they are built with Microsoft's SDK but are not licensed from Microsoft. You can't even download the apps off of a web page. You need to go to the super secret (not really) IRC channel to get the super-secret (not really) access to get the files.
So Mac Mini vs. Xbox? If you like hacking around, don't mind the legality issue, are comfortable with using FTP and whacking XML config files, have a strong interest in gaming (both current and historical) and don't need DVR functionality, the Xbox is a really fun and extremely hackable little computer.
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Remote Login (x-box??)Why not give him a Linux box (maybe a mini-itx box or Linux X-box?) connected to an ADSL ethernet modem (or other 'always' on connection). Give yourself a remote login.
That way you can log in from your overseas location chat to him, pop images up on the screen for him and generally have a 'father and son' session. (Others have also suggested VNC.) If using an x-box could something be done with the x-box controller for local control??
You can also admin the box from your remote location. Provided you keep upgrades to only what is necessary the box should be quite stable (I suggest Debian stable). It is important not make any changes which risk prevent the machine from rebooting (such as upgrading the kernel). In the event the system hangs by itself you may have to phone up and get someone to turn the power switch off then on.
I administer my dad's email remotely. It has worked well so far. Admittedly what I am suggesting is well beyond this.
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Another vote for the XBoxThe XBox isn't completely silent, but you can control the fan speed through software. Much of the noise is mediated if you replace the default 8GB HDD with a larger 5400rpm (slow and quiet) drive. Modding a newer unit (version 1.6) requires the installation of a modchip or using a softmod. Softmods don't require any soldering, but are prone to occasional failure as MS updates the XBox software. Your best bet is to troll your local pawn shops and video game stores for a used xbox. If you can get a 1.0 or a 1.1 version XBox you can mod it complete with a disable switch without having to buy a chip. Anyway, the point of all this is to run XBMC, which will play damn near any media format you can through at it, including newer container formats like OGM and Matroska. It can stream over the network using SMB/CIFS or one of a handful of XBMC-specific streaming protocols (stream servers available for linux, mac, and windows.) XBMC can also display local weather, stream web radio from shoutcast stations, rip cds, play dvds, display rss feeds, and with the python script engine it can even play movie trailers or even give you showtimes for movie theaters in your area.
Here's some handy links:
- Home of all xbox knowledge: XBox Scene
- Being a cheapass, I use cheap modchips. You can get an Aladdin XT for $11 from RobotPig. They're in the UK but they ship quickly worldwide. Good shop and cheap! The $60 modchips come with loads of neat but ultimately entirely useless features.
- If you're scared of a soldering iron, here's a solderless solution for all versions of the xbox: The Spiderchip. I've never used one of these things and I've never purchased anything from this shop so take this as a suggestion and not a recommendation.
- Here's a great introduction to softmods. Again, despite what all the softmoddie guys say a chip will always be a better solution.
- If you buy a new XBox, you'll be getting a 1.6 version and your modding options are somewhat limited. You're voiding the warranty anyway so you might as well pick up a used box. Here's how to tell which version XBox you're getting. Print it out and take it to the shop with you.
- All versions of the XBox except the 1.6 can be TSOP flashed, which is just write enabling the onboard BIOS flashrom and flashing a mod bios to it. Cheap, relatively easy, and every bit as good as a chip. The only drawback to a TSOP flash is that you can't easily disable it unless you have a 1.0 or 1.1 XBox. Here is a pretty complete guide to TSOP flashing.
- Here is the homepage for XBMC. They're hosted on sourceforge, so you can checkout the CVS and compile your own copy if you have VS.NET 2003 and a copy of the latest XDK.
Check out the forums on XBox-Scene and for XBox Media Center (XBMC) for useful tips rom the thousands of XBox enthuiasts out there. Good luck! - Home of all xbox knowledge: XBox Scene
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Re: Solution for competitors
You can already get "real" rosters for college games for Xbox and PS2. Plus people go in and update the NFL rosters to include things such as Ricky Williams retiring right before the season.
ActionReplay (Xbox) has 43 "Power Saves" for EA's NCAA 2005 which include 13 different rosters for Div 1A.
If you don't want to pay for their memory card you can download their software and use a USB memory stick or your own Xbox Memory Card. -
Re:Geez...
The X-Box was built as a gaming console, not a Linux box. It was recieved well on slashdot.
The iPod was built to be an MP3 player, not a Linux box. On slashdot, while some people were perplexed, others/many thought it was great.
I don't see the difference. Any talk of "purpose" is moot in the Linux community. People generally applaud putting (or attempting to put) Linux "where it doesn't belong." It doesn't make sense to give this guy a hard time for trying.
Now, if you want to give him a hard time for FAILING, that is another story, esp. when it appears that the OS is on a removable flash card or on the harddrive, both of which could be put in the other PC with the same chip and installed there and swapped back, assuming the CMOS and the OS aren't tied together. -
Re:HardwareOr get one of the guys on the "X-Box Chocolate Project" to do it for you.
You find a local X-box modder on that list and (s)he mods your X-box (hardware or software) or just your memory card and you give them chocolate or their suggsted gift for the service.
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The Xbox
The thing is that Microsoft has already created the $149.00 PC and it will run linux without any modification, they just need to drop the price again and he'll be set.
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Re:Printer-friendly version
care to share how to mod an XBox without a mod chip before I fork out the cash for one?
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Xbox +Xebian = all you need
You can soft-mod an XBox so that you can install Xebian http://www.xbox-linux.org/ (Eds debian) on it. It comes with freevo and the remote control stuff all ready to rock straight out of the bag. Just hook it up to a fileshare.
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Why modchips?
I really dont see the logic on spending "from $40 to $80" on a modchip when the xbox allready has a perfectly fine flash chip.
The normal flash chip can be used, as explained at http://www.xbox-linux.org/Getting_Started#16
It's an easy process, cheaper and I think neater than a modchip. This is, of course if you want the xbox to be a purely linux machine. Modchips are fine if you still want to use it for xbox games, but if its only running as a 'free' machine, modchips are a waste of time and money -
Re:nothin to play on it
surely any xbox owning geek should be looking at
http://www.xboxmediaplayer.de/
or
http://www.xbox-linux.org/
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Remote Deletion
I was hoping this lawsuit was about Microsoft remotely deleting the contents of the hard drives XBox GNU/Linux users.
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Re:Can we say wow?
A modchip is not acting as a replacement part. It does not 'unlock' or permit operation of the console. The purpose of a modchip is to bypass the signing mechanism used to prevent you from playing pirated games.
There are other uses for modchips, too. The XBox Linux Project, http://www.xbox-linux.org/ shows a way to turn the XBox into a Linux desktop that will not play XBox games at all but can be used for "normal" computing use. -
Linux
http://www.xbox-linux.org provides Linux for it. LinksBoks can act asa standalone browser. Or you can use Mozilla on it with Linux.
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Imagine...
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Re:OS-as-service
People want computers to be appliances which they don't have to maintain, like a toaster, but they also want to be able to take their toaster and install a coffee maker, microwave and washing machine in it at will. I don't believe it's possible to have an appliance computer thats flexible enough for most users to use as their desktop machine. Although it's easy enough to do - stick the OS on a read only device along with any programs you want and make the storage device for the user's data non-executable - there's almost nothing they can do to break it then... but I wouldn't want to use that kind of system.
I think you've just hit on the perfect solution - I know of an appliance-style home computer people regularly use, with read-only application space, and great (or at least good enough for gaming) graphics support...
Lot's of people have them... Games consoles...
If someone invested a small amount of effort (like the linux-xbox or GameCube Linux people have done) to create and package an application disk for each app for the console, we could have the ultimate pc...
I don't know if either of those consoles have USB ports like the PS2 does, but if they do, that becomes your wireless kb and personal data storage solution...
But rather than the usual system of booting linux, and leaving the usage up to the user, we use the game console paradigm... One disk per application set, and game-styled menus to select between apps on a single disk...
This could enable someone to produce a string of $20 application disks, and turn a cheap home pc into a reality...
Maybe Ballmer was right... Cheap Hardware + Free Software == less Piracy!
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Re:One question...
Maybe not running Microsoft's latest software but quite happy to get by with; http://www.microsoft.com/xbox/ and then http://www.xbox-linux.org/, http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbox-linux/
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All your userbase are bel... what userbase again?
First, while IE/Mac isn't supported anymore, there are some people who still use it.
Do Safari, IE/Mac, iCab, OmniWeb, and other Mac-only web browsers constitute enough userbase to persuade a small business to fork over four figures for a decent Mac OS X machine?
As long as it has a userbase, there's a reason to test it.
<sarcasm>There's still an Apple II userbase.</sarcasm> How much of a userbase is worth how much developer time and money?
there are still Safari improvements that aren't in Konqueror
So if you have the latest release of Konqueror, or whatever they call their equivalent to Mozilla's nightly build, you'll probably have the improvements from Safari one or two versions back. How up-to-date do most Safari users keep their installations? And are there really a lot of significant rendering differences between KHTML-based Safari and a Gecko-based browser?
Last time I tried it tho, KDE-Cygwin was slow and buggy as hell
I'd guess that it's a lot cheaper for a small business to buy and maintain a cheapass Linux box (either this way or this way or even this way) than to buy and maintain a Mac.
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Re:michael
It's not actually locked to MS-only.... well not successfully anyway
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Re:The Same Reason I bought an XBOX
I ended up running linux on it for free, so I guess microsoft must have got me hooked on cheap linux machines. Next thing I knew I was giving Wal-Mart money for $200 machines and turning tricks for Lindows.
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Hardware? We don't need no stinkin' hardware.In the midst of all this discussion, I must mention that a modchip isn't needed to run unsigned code. A few enterprising coders have exploited various buffer overflows and gaps in the trusted computing nature of the xbox to allow this. Called the "Ultimate Dashboard Exploit" (UDE) and some related projects (UDE2, PBL, nkpatcher), it is possible to buy an xbox, take it home, insert a memory card with a save from a friend who's already done the procedure (there are several alternatives if you don't have friends), load up a certain game, and voila, open xbox.
The only hardware changes I've made to my xbox are a larger hard drive and an ATA/133 cable, but using the UDE it boots to linux on power-on for a nice, low-cost set top entertainment center.
For more pertinent information, see:
http://xbox-linux.org/
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=2 43341
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=2 43893
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Re:What a minute?There really is no reason to use WindowsXP Media Center on it (which you can't) unless you need to play DRM'd music/movies which the much better Xbox Media Center can't play. http://xboxmediacenter.de/
This player will play almost any format you can throw at it, and in addition, will play/record shoutcast streams, can connect to SMB/Samba servers, and various other networked devices for streamed media. Hell, it even gives you a weather forecast at the click of a button, and the ability to check the IMDB database about a movie before you view it. Also you can use sync correction for any files that are slightly out of sync. All of these things are just off the top of my head, but there are many more such as HDTV support, etc. And all you need to do is add a on/off switch to the modchip and you can play any xbox games, including on Xbox Live.
To answer your question about larger harddrives, the xbox can handle any size hard drive you want to throw at it. It was once limited to 137GB but this has since been corrected in the newer bioses.
Other good resources for information: http://xbox-scene.com/ http://www.xbox-linux.org/
Now please clean up your mess
;)DD
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Re:Web Server
It is very easy to run your xbox as a file/web server once you have applied the MechInstaller Patch, Then Install Xebian.
After that all you would have to do is apt-get install apache ftp