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Open Source Multimedia Center For Windows
An anonymous reader writes "A new opensourced multimedia center for Windows has been released. Media Portal boasts the ability to turn your PC into an advanced HTPC (Home-Theatre PC) and PVR/DVR (Personal/Digital Video Recorder). It allows you to listen to your favorite music and radio, watch all your video's and DVD's, view, schedule
and record live TV and much more. The software is a port of the homebrew Xbox Media Center software which requires a Modded Xbox to run."
Does it still require the MFC to be compiled ?
If this is the case I then fail to see the interest of this especially when it requires an Xbox and then Micorsoft to gain alittle money from the operation.
Geek factor > Open Source interest.
Trolling using another account since 2005.
don't link the home page or anything
http://mediaportal.sourceforge.net/
homepage seems to indicate 0.1.0.0 not 1.0 ... i.e. beta not release ....
t
The SF Media Portal site seems to be /.'d. Here's the Google Cache.
finally
The project is at SourceForge if you guys want to give maxconsole a break.
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Clearly a threat to Copyrights, Profits and Homeland Security. In certain the authorities (MPAA/RIAA/Microsoft have already been notified and are moving the threat level up from Plaid to Paisley)
The software is a port of the homebrew Xbox Media Center software which requires a Modded Xbox to run."
Now I'm certain Microsoft will be activating their Bucket 'o Lawyers* The only people allowed to give away something like that for free must have an ulterior motive, such as locking everyone into mind control or market share...
*Not to be confused with the toys Bucket o' Soldiers or Barrel o' Monkeys, but toys of their masters all the same.
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This could be interesting.
What is the most inexpensive hardware with enough OOMPH to run this?
I looked at Mini-ITX systems, and the HUSH grabbed my eye. Then the price grabbed me somewhere else.
And I don't really want to get an XBOX then modify it, so don't give me the obvious answer...
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No, this software does not require an XBox at all. It's a standalone program that gives you a nice 10' interface suitable for vewing on TV, and operation with a remote.
Think MS Media Center, but Open-Source. And a good bit more flexible, in my opinion. I've been following this software for awhile, actually. This is really nothing new..
I still think Beyond TV snapstream is the only logical option on windows XP due to price and the fact that it runs on virtually all cards. MythTV and other open source projects seem so raw still.
You're still paying the Micrsoft tax after all.
FCKGW!
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You're still paying the Micrsoft tax after all.
Actually, if you buy the Xbox but no games for it you're screwing Microsoft, since the box is a loss-leader. The real revenue is games and services.
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This just in from http://mediaportal.sourceforge.net/
Latest News
01-December 2004
IMPORTANT NEWS PLEASE READ THIS!
There are some rumors floating around about MediaPortal 1.0.
However this is very wrong, because as you can see below we just released 0.1. The current version 0.1 is not considered as the first stable release and it is definitely not final!
This does not mean the product is an alpha release! The 0.1 is considered a very nice and stable beta release, which everyone can and should test and help out to fix bugs and/or improve the product even further. And remember: it is free forever!
Alot of people also use this as the dashboard, or OS so to speak, of their modded XBOXes. The version I have also has some built in VOIP capabilities. With VOIP locked into a media center, you could simulate the full movie theater experience, with everyone talking to each other during the movie.
Seriously though, comedies tend to seem funnier in theaters, i think in part to the fact that you are with a bunch of other people laughing. Its like how children, and some adults, look around before or while they are laughing, as if they are looking for approval.
VOIP in a media center could also be fun and useful for streaming educational videos, sporting events, sales, what have you. I hope they port those options over too. Forgive me if they mentioned that in TFA, but i couldnt seem to connect to it.
Well it would be if it was for the fact that it is for xp.
All ye all ye outs in free!
LIES!
If you read the summary correctly, you'd see that it's a PORT of Xbox Media Center, which does require a modded Xbox. Media Portal however, runs on Windows PC's.
- Mike
...an extraneous apostrophe remover?
I wish the author thought of that before he wrote up the article.
Google cache links display their cached destination in the link...
You can float your mouse over the "linky" to the google cache and Firefox (or any other respectable webbrowser that doesn't disable the status bar by default) will show that the link displays "mediaportal.sourceforge.net".
You're still paying the Micrsoft tax after all.
And why is that so bad?
I'd run another OS if I got as much hardware and software support. The OSS community needs to get rid of people like you in favor of some people that will help me move to an alternate OS without *wanting* to fdisk and go back.
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Nope because you are not running on MS Hardware BECAUSE THIS DOESNT RUN ON AN XBOX ... try reading the informataion given.
You are of course paying $$$ for the chance to run a quality *cough* *cough* operating system from them to run this on though as it runs on Windows XP!
I used this program, it has Ogg support using the Winamp player as the underlying technology. Plays WMA and WMV with Windows Media player and DVD as well. I prefer the Windows Media Center 2005 for music using Losless WMAs however.
People who don't have windows.
I just got my Xbox modded yesterday, and it included the excellent XBMC. Only problem is upgrading it. My version is a few months behind, and you cannot download binaries from Sourceforge, because the project must be compiled with Microsoft's dev kit for the Xbox, and XBMC is an unlicensed project. I still have not figured out how to get binaries!
.NET, I tried running it on my PC before modding my Xbox and it crashed every time I tried to do anything, I might download and try again.
This project is compiled with Vanilla
Although modding an Xbox isn't for the faint of heart (I just had someone else do it), it's fun and the software you get is very powerful. I was up and running with MP3's burnt on a DVD-R and some Divx TV shows. By the way, you can make XBMC be the default program when you boot the Xbox, if thats all you want to use your console for.
This was always a weak argument but especially weak now. 5 years ago the xbox was a loss leader, today despite the slashes in price Microsoft are stil probably making a tiny profit on each one. If you buy one now then you are just helping to offset the losses they made in the past.
How girlie!!
I make use of my "grabs" with a Radeon 7000 TV out card patched into my entertainment system. For real l33tness, every night before bed I sync my "vcr" directory to my laptop, and carry my Trek/Spike TV and adult swim with me throughout the day. And if I want to save my TV programming, which I do save alot, a standard CD-R holds 2 hours of Divx in the bitrate I encoded it in, which is a decent bitrate for broadcast. Right now I have about six 50 CD spindles of Spike TV and Adult Swim programming.
Proof that I married the right person: all I have to do is make the ISO's. My wife burns them in her spare time ;) Oh, she cooks, cleans, pays bills, and runs Debian Sid with WindowMaker, and doesn't care when I go out gaming, and hardly spends a dime on non-essential girly stuff. Great in the other "wifely" duties areas too.
I really should write a HOWTO on how I put it together. Its quite cool. On a side note, I should write a HOWTO on how I found the perfect Geek wife.
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welcome our new open source overlords.
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[...]A new opensourced multimedia center for Windows has been released. Media Portal[...]
How is this new. I've been tracking this app for months now, downloading from time to tie and trying it. It's good and everything (mythtv and freevo stand closer to my heart by anyway), but drooling it being new stuff... well, just nother well informed guy.
I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I can think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
I'm no Mirosoft fanboy, but $150? Cmon.
It's currently going for less than $65, with COA and a CD.
http://www.salesintl.com/product.asp?3=13/
If you check pricewatch, you can get a COA for $44.
OK...
I can do this. I am, after all,
a superhero!
hmmm ... personally I run gbpvr on XP which is free but not open source. Probably supports less cards than Snapstream, (needs hardware encoding ... I use a PVR250), but seems to give good results.
t
I remember awhile ago I installed this a long time ago when it first started development, and it still supported my old hauppauge card and my Riva TNT2 video card, Installed it yesterday when I saw 0.1.0.0 was released and it doesnt even open, read the min requirements, and you NEED a mpeg2 hardware encoder, WMP9 which crashes my system so I refuse to install it, and a directx 9 card. After my frusttration yesterday, I convinced myself maybe I should install mythtv, Not sure if I will need a mpeg2 encoder for time shifting, but it will be a fun project over the break.
The point is:
* The VAST majority of computer users are using Windows ie... they've already paid for it, so it's not an issue (ie. it came with their computer or whatever)
* They don't want to wipe it out completely to install a media center
* Things like this can exist harmoniously with Windows, and can be tried before wiping it all out... or you can use the computer for both purposes (htpc and normal)
There is another free (not open source) windows based media pc solution... It's called myHTPC.
Now, it's since turned into a paid product called Meedio, however you can still get the free version and have access to a gazillion (oh yeah baby, that's a number) plugins for it.
This all sounds great, but I just spent a wad on all new HDTV gear and am distressed to find that you can't easily capture HD to a DVR in a PC. Maybe in a year or two...
Has anyone tested this out yet? I'd be interested in how it compares with Meedio, WMCE, Sage TV, Snapstream, etc... I guess I'll have to wait until I get home.
I used myHTPC for a while and it worked pretty good. They moved to a commercial project called Meedio (probably worth the money when they get the TV tuner working), but I've been looking for other solutions.
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Pay $15 and get something that works, or pay nothing and get something fantastically finicky, built around unnecessarily obscure and unwieldy commands, and nuances of configuration. Choices, choices. I'll uh... have to get back to you, I'm still trying to figure out how to get an up-kernel for my dual processor xeon, and how to make use of the soundblaster live, and how to get some reasonable behavior out of the DVD-RAM drive.... Linux is super cool, as long as you're not married to things working 100%.
I usually ignore both sides of the OSS / Microsoft debate, but in this case the attitude of "trow da bums out" is just too divisive. If you're OK with paying Microsoft dues, then fine. If Robyanetta is avoiding it, that's fine too. Just both of you should recognize the other point of view isn't going away, and you should learn to cooperate on the common ground that exists between you.
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What does this do, besides lack any substantial development history, that MythTV doesn't do?
That being said, it seems to be working great on my Xbox, that mighty 733MHz P3 w/no hw MPEG capabi...BUFFERING...
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
Just because, you know, for the rest of us who want to plug in our systems to our TV sets without having to shill out money for a modded Xbox or a PC.
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Except that the destination part of the URL can be trivially spoofed. The base64 hash is what really determines the page you get.
: www.microsoft.com/+&hl=en This takes you to google's cache of its own home page, not to Microsoft.
Demonstration: http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:zhool8dxBV4J
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http://mediaportal.sourceforge.net/> instead of some little piracy gaming console website trying to sell you modchips.
some of us happen to like windows xp for home applications. windows xp + cheap commodity x86 hardware = inexpensive, easy to set up and use home computer. Sure I am paying for my copy of xp, but I think it's worth it in terms of not having to deal with the hassle of installing linux. To qualify my opinion, I happen to use linux in a work environment because of certain features, but for (let's face it) linux is a pain in the ass to set up. Is it doable? Sure. Is it worth my effort? Probably not. Last time I tried to run linux at home and play mp3s I had to chmod 777 /dev/dsp so that the mp3 player could talk to the sound driver. Linux is a hacker's system and it's very good for what it is. It is not yet fully mature as a home system. I just plop my xp home system behind a simple router/firewall, install firefox, and I'm ready to websurf/play GTAIII/listen to mp3s.
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I must be imagining the HDTV files on my MythTV hard drive...
I don't have a HD display yet, due to high prices, but a pcHDTV-3000 card was less than $200, so I got one. There are similar cards for Windows, but I can't speak to their ease of use.
HD looks great on my PC, and is still pretty good scaled down to my old 27" XBR. Even the Over-The-Air SD shows look better than the analog signal from my cable company.
I think its misleading not to include that its only for xbox on the title
It's also misleading not to say that it's only for old people, for the benefit of Slashdot's Korean users.
> You're still paying the Micrsoft tax after all.
>
> FCKGW!
> -r
That's funny. I remember that. It was part of the license key for a cracked corporate copy of Windows XP. I typed it in dozens of times. And I always thought fuck GW. Yeah. That was funny. You are funny to bring it up. But I don't use that key anymore because it did not work with XP SP1. Those were the days. GW is kind of a shorthand for George W. Bush in case you were wondering. It really brings back some memories. Is that what you were trying to do? I hope so.
funny how maxconsole.com and teamxodus.com are on the same server ... very objective console scene news site
LOL
Oh crap, why did I bother. I'm even lame at being a lame troll. I also work in a cubicle. Help.
Interesting... However, the link REALLY DOES go to the cache of the website. That's how I was able to get to the mediaportal website...
Good to know, however.
Media Portal is not new, and has been posted on /. before (that's how I read about it first).
Furthermore, it's not at version 1.0 like the article claims. Read the snip on the website about rumors.
It's not for XBox... It's for Windows. It's a PORT of a program that origionated on the XBox.
On the whole - if you are looking for some free PVR software NOW, get MythTV or Freevo. There are excellent tutorials on the net on how to set up a MythTV system - from scratch - no hardcore Linux skills required.
i've been using xbox media center and xbox media player before that for a while now and i absolutely love it. my xbox has ceased playing games and now just play movies and music. just stream them to my xbox via samba. this developer team constantly updates and bug fixes their work. it plays virtually every known format and this is with 64 mb of ram on a stock xbox and an older processor. if there was a way to add a tv card to the xbox it would blow all these very pricey new media players/pvr's out of the water. $ 150.(no you don't need a modchip) yes i know about mythtv...
from the requirements page:
WDM compatible TV card or a hardware MPEG2 TV card
That right there is why I'll be running this and not MythPC.
Im dreaming ofa big bndwdth, That can resist the
It really is good, I had a quick go at the media portal doobry but couldn't work out how to make it work tho :(
Can anyone in the know compare this to the other Open Source solutions out there? I've been having a MISERABLE time getting MythTV to work. 8( Is this program as good? Easy to install configure? How does it compare to MythTV, Freevo, Meedio/MyHTPC?
Moo.
what hardware and software support are you needing? Or are you someone that has to have a certain program over a certain type of prograM.
I can replicate everythign i need to do with windows on linux but there are a few thing i prefere to do in windows becasue thats what i'm used to doing. I do however, find that in most cases the argument about not having the software or hardware support to only fit a few minor cases when it is really a preference or fear of getting into the guts of the os in order to install hardware support.
That's an OEM version and is subject to OEM licensing agreements. Just because you have a CD doesn't mean that you can install Windows wherever you want, you know.
So, who the crap pays for Windows?
i use gentoo and before that slackware, ive never had to chmod my dsp device, even on advanced distro's like gentoo and slackware.
sound is now very easy using alsa (alsaconf)
device management is now very very easy using
udev, hotplug and coldplug
package management (including dependancies) is very simple now using apt-get or emerge (slackware's not there yet).
i cant think of anything else that supposed to be hard, but im sure its not quite there for everybody.
maybe its just because im now used to using linux and it seems natural and actually find it easier to use than windows (it does what i tell it rather than guessing what it thinks i want).
Im sure times have changed since last time you tried installing a distro at home, if you get time try one.
*not a troll, but i am now familiar with linux and prefer administering it in a home environment to windows and i know that things were not always this easy.
I find interesting that the poster linked to Team Xodus, a modchip maker, rather than xbox-scene.com which has much more balanced information+tutorials on how to run homebrew apps without a modchip/even opening your Xbox.
We could do all this before, what added value is there to running this kind of thing?
With an XBox it made sense because you didn't actually have a UI to work with. With a PC you don't need this kind of thing at all.
If you're going to run it on a mini itx and use it like a toaster, why not use movix or something similar that has an operating system with it?
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
Right now the best PVR-type software you can get, open source or closed source, is Mythtv.
.NET, the guy learned the mythtv protocols and built a front end that will work on Windows with a backend that runs on Linux.
Very flexible, you can have multiple front ends work with multiple back ends and have many many different tv tuner cards and have it all work in concert together.
Now this is all Linux stuff, of course, however you can get a front end for Mythtv that will work in Windows.
It's called WinMyth and is written in
Basicly the backend serves the data in mpeg2 or mpeg4 or mjpeg type streams to the frontend over a network. And the frontend is also what you use to scedual recordings and play games and stuff like that.
You can find the home page of the product at
http://winmyth.sourceforge.net/
But I thought copyright infringement wasn't piracy and that ELUAs weren't enforceable!
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OK...
I can do this. I am, after all,
a superhero!
Yep make part copy content of cdrom into partion setup boot manager one MythTV box.(this is simpler than fighting Fedora)
Note Fedora is the worst pick of any disto for media work.(You did well to get as far as you did)
SUSE Mandrake and Debian(with a better installer ie different disks provide Debian installers). You would have had a chance.
Really... Isn't the point of media center is supporting remote, so you can sit in your chair, relax, turn off your brain and push little buttons? .avi file, it plays. The same for Pictures and DVD.
And.. It seems they will be using winlirc, which doesn't support my remote...
So I'll stick with my SlyControl (program with macroeing with remote control) forever. It makes everything just easy. Press TV and it launches my tv tuner program. Press Menu and select
So without good integration with remotes Media Portal is just pretty "shell" for doing things I already know how to do.
I know, I know: "code it yourself" and stuff... Not now, sorry.
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" I still think Beyond TV snapstream is the only logical option on windows XP due to price and the fact that it runs on virtually all cards. MythTV and other open source projects seem so raw still"
plug I just posted a review of BeyondTV 3.5 on my site. There's also SageTV on windoze that's good. (sage tv review)
GBPVR is free as in beer and although an independent project hangs pretty well with the commercial apps in most respects, from what I understand.
Also commercial is Meedio HTPC which used to be myHTPC which has a beta PVR plugin that should be not beta pretty soon.
GotTV (no link handy sorry) recently spun into something else, and is also windows and "free" (not sure if it's FOSS or not...)
Have you used mythTV lately? I'm not sure you are giving it a fair shake. I think the issue is more the complexity of the install/linux learning curve than usability/look and feel issues... (hopefuly efforts like knoppmyth mitigate that a little bit)
*shrug* that said, I do like the polish and all the features of BTV, but there's a lot of options out there, and i'm glad to see media portal's (and xmbc's) progressing nicely)
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I was just about sold on Snapstream, but now I'm leaning toward SageTV. Of course, the nice thing about sage is that they have a 15 day free trial. :) (I couldn't see a trial of Snapstream.)
I'm just waiting for my Hauppauge pvr-150 to arrive to try it out.
This is just the mplayer/xine/ffmpeg code ported to Xbox, and now Windows. It plays everything the Linux version does, including Oggs.
Let me guess... only old people play jazz fusion.
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I'd say RUNS ON WINDOWS is a pretty damn big feature that MythTV lacks. :P
Joseph?
http://shit.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/01/1 944259
If RMS hears crazytalk like that he's gonna smack you so hard ;-)
(disclaimer: I have a lot of respect for RMS and thank him for playing part in creating a foundation on which a lot of OSS is built on. That doesn't mean he's not a bit crazy around the edges though.)
Failing to learn from history dooms you to repeat it.
I suggest trying both and seeing which one "feels" better to you =) Snapstream does indeed have a free trial.
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Dude, why are you trying to debate this shit on slashdot? It doesn't matter.
Interesting that this article ran on slashdot today becauase SnapStream just started shipping their Media Center software package, Beyond Media: http://www.snapstream.com/products/beyondmedia/. I've been using it since it came out. Big thumbs up. I've been using their PVR software for a long time (Beyond TV) and this measures up to that (which is to say, it's really really good).
Ah, shut up.
Bravo! applause! encore! best rant of the day.
I thought you were referring to Bill Gates's Wife!
Does anyone know why Windows 2000 isn't supported?
This thing is written in C# (and I gather the # stands for RAP) and I only know java.
I've been writing a PVR system in Java for about a year now as a home project (running on a win box) , and I've got it working pretty sweet. Its not pure java, as it uses VirtualVCR for the grabbing and XMLTV for grabbing the listings. My next job is going from the WIMP style interface to something a little more set top box like. I'm also considering using a wireless joypad as a remote.
It just a shame that the UK source for XMLTV has been so unreliable over the past year. First ananova stop serving listings data, then the radio times changed their site to block xmltv, before relenting and releasing the listings in an alternate machine readable format. Lets hope the RT guys keep that going.
Relevant sites:
VirtualVCR : http://virtualvcr.sourceforge.net/
XmlTV : http://membled.com/work/apps/xmltv/
Sounds like a nice alternative to Windows Media Center! :-)
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What you are saying is totally unacceptable from a performance perspective. I have *TWO* software tuners in my Myth box and it runs without issues. And you sare saying MediaPortal can't even timeshift with *ONE*?
No thanks.