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Many developed countries don't have credit score, but those tend to have credit records which show if you have or have not managed to pay your bills/debts on time.

Here in Finland for example, we have a concept called "maksuhäiriömerkintä". It literally means "mark of disruption in payment". You get this by failing to pay bills, then ignoring the reminders that you have outstanding bills for a lengthy period of time until it goes to the collecting agency.

This has an advantage of assuming that you're in good standing if you don't have such marks on your record, but makes banks' job of assessing risk of giving you loans for things like apartment mortgage harder, as they have to make an assessment based on less information. Essentially some of the risk of people who probably should have more expensive loans because they're not as responsible with their money is paid for by the rest of us. It's in line with having wider reaching social security net on cultural level.

I would find it completely acceptable if immigration agency to a country that is suffering from significant problems with economic migrants was to request that I provide citation from our bureaucracy that I do not have a maksuhäiriömerkintä on my record for immigration purposes and penalize me with meeting additional criteria such as payment of a bond that would be returned should I meet all financial obligations, should I have such marks on my record. It's one of the viable ways to see that I as an immigrant can in fact handle my finances, and will not become a financial burden, and notably one of the ways that private companies here in Finland have acted for a long time when a person immigrates or returns from a long stay abroad. There was a good story on the subject this friday on our national broadcaster's site (in Finnish) here:

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10520...

You miss the point where those laws were not enforced because they weren't necessary.

This is simply not true. There have been hate speech convictions in Germany and elsewhere prior to the current refugee crisis. A Finnish far-right politician whose only talking point throughout the years has been opposing immigration got sentenced to fines for calling all muslims pedophiles way back in 2012. Here's a story of a drunk neo-Nazi being fined for doing the Hitler salute in 2011. Etc, you can find many more examples using google.

Again, do I agree with these laws? No. Do I agree with the far-right? No, but saying that these laws have never been used before is simply not true.

Scroll to page 30 you lazy bum

Yes, yes. Wire fraud and bank fraud — these are easy to understand, but require neither the powers of the Special Prosecutor nor the top-notch legal team.

But our entire thread here is about alleged "tampering", is not it? So, where is this "tampering" and what did it consist of other than trolls posting memes under false identities? Which we knew Russians have been doing for years... It was perfectly well known, but no one even thought to prosecute it. Because Freedom of Speech.

So, page 30 is "COUNT TWO" — the entire "COUNT ONE" is something nebulous: "Conspiracy to Defraud the United States". WTF? Pretending to be someone else online is now tantamount to felony fraud? If you and ACLU had a shred of integrity left, they would've been outraged by this suggestion...

Nope, but it's irrelevant; she didn't win the election.

She ran in it, and came very near to winning. She was also a US Senator and a Secretary of State, while her "charity" kept receiving millions of dollars from foreigners — and all of this happened long before Trump ran for an office. So, discussing her is relevant. And, if she does not deserve punishment for doing it in your opinion, then Trump should not be punished for anything similar either — in your opinion. There we come to that quirky integrity thing again.

"B-b-but Clinton" is only a very sad distraction at this point.

Except it was not "B-b-but Clinton" — it was "B-b-but Trump" from you (and a whole bunch of moderators).

Could you post some links to sources substantiating that claim? I haven't heard any reports of Russian military aircraft infringing other nations' air space in the Baltic, although I usually follow that kind of news quite carefully.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/finland_...

http://yle.fi/uutiset/tax_evas...

Same one.
Last week it was 7800 persons.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/microsoft_to_lay_off_more_than_half_its_finnish_staff/8139690

They give a reasoning in the FAQ:

"Yle Areenan videot toimivat edelleen Flash-soittimen avulla. Flash-soitinta käytämme siksi, että HTML5 standardi ei medioiden jakelussa tarjoa vielä sellaista suojausta, jota tekijänoikeuksien haltijat Yleltä vaativat. Vaatimukset tulevat sekä ohjelmantoimittajilta, että musiikin tekijänoikeusjärjestöiltä. Käyttöliittymätekniikkana HTML5 on käytössä, kuitenkin niin että palvelu on saavutettavissa myös vanhemmilla selaimilla."

Translation: "Yle Areena videos still utilize Flash player. Flash is used because the HTML5 standard does not provide sufficient content protection that the copyright holders expect from Yle when distributing media. These requirements come from both programme distributors and music copyright organizations. HTML5 is being used in the user interface, but in a fashion that older browsers are also supported."

Of course that information is now a bit obsolete, as these days HTML5 supports DRM as well.

For Finnish people, YLE Areena is kind of important. That's the national public-broadcasting company's programme streaming website.

With a similar anniversary of flight 17 shot by Russia-sponsored assholes in Eastern Ukraine (by mistake), Russian propaganda is spreading lunatic rumors about America shooting down MH370.

They don't have to convince anybody with such accusations. They just need to make enough noise to make the perfectly credible accusations against them look similarly lunatic to the short attention-span majority of the world's population...

While such advice is by all means well-intentioned

Well-intentioned, but still wrong — even in the case of nuclear weapons. For all the treaties, both USA and USSR retained enough nukes to destroy each other (and, probably, the rest of the planet) many times over — officially.

Unofficially it put the US, where the government is (somewhat) accountable to citizens, at a disadvantage — we had to abide by the agreements, while the rulers of USSR — unafraid of inquisitive lawmakers and "nosy" journalists — did not.

Cyber-weapons are even worse in this regard, because their use and development can be delegated to a nominally private organization or even a person — the way Russia's propaganda war is already delegated too.

I'm sure the tunnel will be popular, as it seems there is quite busy traffic between these countries - rather surprisingly, it seems a large part of it is Finns shopping for booze in Estonia.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/finnish_...

Finland, like other countries that have had security incidents, seeks to protect itself ....

Supo wants expanded net surveillance powers - 20.6.2013

The head of the Finnish Security Intelligence Service (Supo) has told the business daily Talouselämä that his organization wants increased funding and expanded powers to carry out surveillance of internet traffic.

Five years ago, the Swedish Defence Radio Authority (FRA) was authorized to warrantlessly wiretap all telephone and internet traffic that crosses Sweden's borders. According to Supo chief Antti Pelttari, Finland should consider introducing the Swedish model here as well.

"Our legal mandate is to ensure the security of the State of Finland and its social system from both internal and external threats," said Pelttari. "There must be means available to monitor what is transmitted through data networks, and the capacity to identify and evaluate anomalies," he added.

I wonder who is attacking the Finns, and who would have reason to? Russia has been menacing Finland and its neighbors in the Baltics with incursions by aircraft and submarines. There is concern that Russia may turn on Finland after Ukraine. The Baltic states and other targets of Russia have suffered similar attacks coming from Russia.

Here are some original Finnish sources in English:

http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/fi...

http://yle.fi/uutiset/tuesdays...

It is only about cursive writing ('calligraphy'). You know, the form of writing that's not meant to be used with pencils, but quills and the like.

but by now I assume most of the YouTube content plays through HTML 5 if one want to?

True. All clips can be watched in HTML5 now in YouTube, including live broadcasts.

I think there's still many local TV broadcast services which require Flash. For example in Finland I still need Flash to use YLE Areena, the public TV/radio broadcaster's online clip hive.

President Niinistö sees a heightened risk for a new kind of cold war.

It still works though. The "stupid ice bucket challenge" brought the Finnish Association of Muscle Disease an annual €44,000 funding in donations when the typical amount is some thousands per year.[1]

Another very, very sad example of the destructive power of m$ running rampant in the Nordic area

As a sidenote, Microsoft also recently erected a data center in undisclosed location somewhere in southern Finland.

On 3 September, Tuomioja went on record saying that he opposes creating NATO bases in the Baltic states since supporting it could be perceived as a hostile act towards Russia. ‘[---] It could be justified and is understandable with respect to these countries, but we don’t want our territory to be used for support bases that Russia could see as hostile.’ Source: http://yle.fi/uutiset/fm_tuomi.... So he may have assessed the situation in Ukraine correctly, but it does not mean that he's not one for appeasing the bear.

Here's another one by YLE from April discussing the same ideas.

And broadcasting the world news in Latin too...

Interestingly, the Finnish stub of Nokia that was left, is doing fine. They still have a feasible telecommunication networks business.

Citation: Juhani E. Lehto, Homoseksuaalisuus luonnontieteiden näkökulmasta.

Here's also an unknown-to-many clip where he speaks Finnish. His Finnish has gotten a bit crusty, but still mostly fine. He speaks it in a Swedish accent. He says that talking about his job (involving various technical terms) in Finnish is a bit difficult.

There are several instances where Finnish police have shot a threatening person in the leg to solve the situation. Since it has been mostly reported in only Finnish media I can't give you English sources. But here's one in Finnish. The thing is, they don't shoot in the thigh where the big arteries are. They shoot below the knee so the biggest damage can be avoided.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/poliisi_...

There's also a side story in this scoop which involves Nokia allegedly handing over user data to Finnish police without a warrant.

YLE Uutiset - Police chief to look into Nokia phone spying claims

That's also why Finland wants an alternative pipe to mid-Europe and not be routed through Sweden.

Finland too has a secret intelligence service that taps the internet, wants to expand their powers, and model it after Sweden.

Supo wants expanded net surveillance powers

This is quite a silly law and has been in the news here in Finland quite a lot recently. There could be misuse of the law, but I have a feeling it isn't that common and I doubt that the Wikimedia foundation has been singled out.

The police have been very openly active at enforcing the law and whilst resulting in situations like this, unfortunately it is easy to forget that it is their job to do so and they are right to do it. It is not the police's actions that need to be amended, but the law itself. That being said, I am personally frustrated to see tax money spent on such waste.

I understand that the purpose of the law is supposed to protect against scam organizations. We had eg. one cancer relief fund (on organization) that collected money and had spent around 99% of the donation money to administrative costs *1. A blatantly fraudulent enterprise. I have no idea how efficient the law is at fighting fraudulent organizations such as those, but I do have some doubts.

Similar baffling interjections by police have come up with companies. A recent one was a small radio station "Radio Helsinki", that introduced voluntary listening fees to gather funds. That was not possible *2. Also the kickstarter-like projects faced somewhat similar troubles *3.

Hopefully Finnish taxpayers contact their members of parliament about refactoring the law, or perhaps even use the citizens initiative act *4 to address the issue.


*1, "Cancer business leads to fraud prosecution", in finnish. http://blogit.mtv.fi/kolmevart...
*2, "The police board shoots down Radio Helsinki's listener's fees", in finnish. http://yle.fi/uutiset/poliisih...
*3, "The police shoot down facebook based book campaign", in finnish. http://www.kauppalehti.fi/etus...
*4, https://www.kansalaisaloite.fi...

That is true. Here is one case: YLE: Authorities try to track source of mysterious polio virus in Tampere.

...yeah, right.

this must be the 234th "uuu news aren't reporting about this!!" shit piece of commentary I've read this year about this and that - every fucking time it has been about something that the news orgs were in fact reporting about. I don't know why the fuck this myth about turkish problems persists - since fuck, the news are reporting it! THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE FUCKING DOLTS WHO REPEAT THE LIE THAT THE NEWS AREN'T REPORTING ABOUT IT ARE IN FACT NOT READING THE NEWS, but still want to appear like they keep up to date and care and shit.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/turkin_hallituskriisi_syvenee_jo_kolmas_ministeri_erosi_korruptiosotkujen_takia/7001035

that's a finnish broadcasting company(that is, bbc equivalent, paid out of tax dollars) news about it.. plenty of news on other sources as well. but as I said the people who want to be seen politically active nowadays don't even fucking read the fucking news, they just repeat what they read on some blog while getting high.

look man, even if you don't actively go to read news every day then you would know the fucked up situation in turkey, the protests and all.

The Finns have their own intelligence service that wants to expand. They want to model their powers after what the Swedes have done.

I stopped watching traditional TV years ago. YouTube, YLE Areena and Twitch are my television now.

Nor would the Swedes and Finns ever do that.

Why not? Seems to me that CEOs are basically celebrities. They don't directly generate anything that is worth what they are paid. It's their name that gets other people excited and gets the money flowing. Keeping it secret doesn't make a whole lot of sense if the only reason they're considering Elop is to make the stock price go up. "Elop!?! WOW!!! I KNOW THAT NAME, BUY BUY BUY!!! I hear he's already made more money for MS than the outgoing CEO did!!!"

I mean, it's not like he's good actually leading companies.

They don't keep it super secret which celebrity actors they've hired for movies for the same reason. They want buzz.

Snowden seeks to set himself above the law. His actions have said all that needs to be said on his behalf outside of court. The massive document theft and leak he engaged in isn't going to be considered "dissent." He should have gone to Congress instead of fleeing. He would likely still be a free man in the US had he done so, and Congress would still be alerted to his concerns, and have an opportunity to debate them. But so far it looks like Congress still backs the intelligence agencies overall even if there may be some new restrictions in the future.

What must be worse for him is that his actions are coming back to bite him on multiple levels. Like a twilight zone episode, he managed to create in his new home what he supposedly fled from and warned about. Now it will spread.

Implementing The Snowden Open Source Intelligence Agency Architecture Toolkit

"Practically all the attention to Snowden's leaks via the Guardian have focused on the leaks through either the lens of transparency and accountability, or the lens of betrayal and danger. But there is another way to view the leaks, and that is as an Open Source milestone. Snowden's leaks have revealed the product of uncounted millions of dollars of experience and research by the governments of the US and UK into effective intelligence agency architecture, infrastructure, and methods. Now that the documents describing them are publicly available, those documents form an intelligence agency architecture toolkit that can be used to analyze and improve the intelligence operations of any group or nation that wants to use them. So far there has been at least one public announcement of a country implementing elements of the Snowden Open Source Intelligence Agency Architecture Toolkit (Snowden OSIAAT): Russia. The Russian Communications Ministry and FSB security service have paired up to produce a regulation to begin upgrading the existing SORM internal electronic intelligence system to the Snowden style standard revealed in the leaks. Previously both Germany and Finland expressed interest in upgrading and expanding their internet surveillance capabilities. Snowden OSIAAT is likely to become a widely used means to increase the power and efficiency of intelligence services world wide. By the usual measures, Snowden OSIAAT appears to be another success story in the making for open source use in government."

Didn't really expect Sweden to be part of something like this, as those Nordic countries are usually quite bullshit-free.

It is more than Sweden. -- Supo wants expanded net surveillance powers

Submitter here. I was able to locate the Finnish version from YLE News website. There is indeed a possibility for that kind of translation error. I'll try to retranslate the top part:

A virus is being uncovered behind type I diabetes, a disease found especially in children. In particular, it is an enterovirus, which invades the pancreas and destroys the cells producing insuline. A vaccine against the viruses can be created.

There are over hundred of various enteroviruses. A research team conducted by virology professor Heikki Hyöty has gone through all the strains and has been able to mark out five of them which cause diabetes. They can be compiled into a vaccine.

"We have recognized one type of virus which carries the biggest risk factor. We could also put its relatives into the vaccine, to get the best possible effect", says professor Hyöty from University of Tampere.

Actually no, the NSA doesn't have a free hand in the US. That is what so many of the stories have been about - have they been properly abiding by the limits? But you're thinking about Hong Kong? That is too funny, really. You'll pass on the possibility of US surveillance for a practical guarantee of Chinese government surveillance? As to Scandinavia, both Sweden and Finland have internet surveillance operations, not to mention Germany, France, UK, and plenty more in Europe. Canada does too. In fact they were just involved in a controversy about spying on Brazil. The Latin America police states? Go for it. I'm sure Venezuela would in no way spy on internet use by foreigners. So it looks like you're heading to the non-Cuban influenced parts of the Caribbean for the steady, reliable, "outside the bounds of law" and "beyond the reach of intelligence agency" internet server hosting or access. So, exactly what sort of low profile privacy intensive service are you planning? Nothing illegal or of interest to Interpol I'm sure. I suppose you could try Brazil or parts of Eastern Europe. Both are havens for cyber crime, but both also have intelligence agencies and corruption. Choices, choices.

Has there been a public reaction from olli-pekka kallasvuo or jorma ollila?

At least Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo commented on it. Basically his general opinion was that "sure it is dramatic, but I am sure the board made the right decisions".

Quoting a related article from YLE news:

"The deal means Elop's pay-off will amount to 17,500 euros for each day he worked at Nokia."

Ridiculous...

Every gov knows what Russia, the UK and US do with their "Consulate" floors

Oh come now A., the club is bigger than that! The majority of countries get in on the spy game at some level.
The Germans: The German Prism: Berlin Wants to Spy
Very involved in the current crisis: Assad did not order Syria chemical weapons attack, says German press
The Finns and Swedes can't be left out: Supo wants expanded net surveillance powers
Nor the French: France 'runs vast electronic spying operation using NSA-style methods'
The club is bigger still: Think US snooping is bad? Try Italy, India orCanada
Thousands of Russian spies in US: ex-CIA agent
Gordievsky: Russia has as many spies in Britain now as the USSR ever did
Chinese Spies Targeting U.K., MI5 Warns
But of course! Chinese use honeytraps to spy on French companies, intelligence report claims
Germany accuses China of industrial espionage
Germany targets Russian, Chinese spies
Spies in Sweden mostly from China, Russia, Iran
Number of Foreign Spies on the Rise in Finland
Austrian capital ‘filled with Iranian spies’
Foreign spies targeting Polish shale - Natural Gas Europe
Spain arrests three suspected of spying for Iran
Russia warns Ireland it will retaliate in spy row
FBI releases papers on Russian Irish spies in US - ‘Ghost Stories’

Sometimes the trails can get very complicated.

For some reason this video comes to mind: Its a Small World

Why would any country trust a closed-sourced product produced by a US Technology firm?

Because the Chinese, French, Germans, British, Swedes, and Finns aren't much different?

Officials say Chinese spies have targeted every sector of the U.S. economy
Supo wants expanded net surveillance powers
The German Prism: Berlin Wants to Spy Too
Boeing Called A Target Of French Spy Effort

It's just that there is a combination of ignorance of the spying by other countries and disdain towards the US for not being quite European enough. Time will probably reduce that.

Nokia was already downhill. They temporarily stopped going downhill because they thought Microsoft might actually outright buy Nokia. Then clearly that didn't happen.

Note their stock trajectory pretty closely matches other failed phone businesses with no Microsoft conspiracy:

http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/news/article6586005.ece/ALTERNATES/w960/1804_Nokia_NEWS-01.png

Newspapers are struggling everywhere. People are so used to free content (which is available) they aren't willing to pay for it. At the same time, with the Internet, why would you need so many newspapers, which are getting their stories from the same international news agencies anyway.

In Finland, we have this unpopular scheme (which I happen to like): every resident of Finland who has income pays a media tax (up to €140 per annum) to support the government media company. They do radio and TV broadcasting but also produce Internet content including news. It's nice to know there's at least one news media organization that can concentrate on its information and culture mission without staring at its balance sheet.

"Globally, five countries this year set heat records, but none set cold records."

"Jim River, AK closed in on the all time record coldest temperature of -80ÂF set in 1971, which is not only the Alaska all-time record, but the record for the entire United States. Unfortunately, it seems the battery died in the weather station just at the critical moment."
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/30/bitter-cold-records-broken-in-alaska-all-time-coldest-record-nearly-broken-but-murphys-law-intervenes/

LOS ANGELES -- Southern Californians awoke Thursday to record cold with sub-freezing temperatures in the mountains and deserts, but forecasters said a slight warming trend was on the way.
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/20/5066818/s-calif-winds-ease-as-cold-temps.html

Winter cold record broken in Kuusamo
http://yle.fi/uutiset/winter_cold_record_broken_in_kuusamo/6424159 ...

Speaking as a Finn I find this ridiculous. We have a population density of 16/km2 or 41/sq mi for you who go by the imperial system, that is 201st in the world. The United states has 33.7/km2 or 87.4/sq mi.

In Finland we, in contrary to Sweden, have the industry building out the networks for their own money. Very little is subsidized unlike in Sweden. Still we are able to have really good internet connections. Currently we pay around 30-50euro/month for 24 / 2mbit ADSL (depending on where you live and ISP) in most places where fiber isn't avaliable but fibre is in general being expanded in most population centers and then some local areas such as small municipalities build their own fiber networks.

Where you can get access to fiber you pay the same for a significantly faster connection. I know for example that in my appartment building I would get 250mbit for 50/euro month.

As a matter of fact we are aiming at being able to provide 100mbit to everyone by 2015 source from the finnish broadcasting company

It doesn't matter how you reason, there's absolutely no reason what so ever that the major population centers in the US wouldn't have high speed internet access for affordable prices except the telco cartels.

Here's my quick translation of the Päivän kasvo clip if you want to know what Jussi said there about a week ago.

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Miia Lahti: The face of today is Jussi Hurmola, CEO of Jolla.

Jussi Hurmola: Thanks for taking me to the show.

ML: Jussi Hurmola wrote to Twitter in Saturday that MeeGo is not dead. That ignited an avalanche that has kept the CEO more than busy. What this all is about, is that ex-Nokians are continuing developing the MeeGo phone, that being the exact MeeGo which Nokia abandoned from the way of Windows phone. Jussi Hurmola, you probably predicted a follow up to your tweet, but was it a surprise to what it all has lead? Phone is ringing non-stop.

JH: Well, it was a total surprise. We expected some interest to MeeGo from the world, and wanted to say that MeeGo is not dead, as MeeGo was in other news last week. But the response to all this has been amazing. At about 1PM Saturday we put out first one-liner "MeeGo is not dead" and after 15 minutes the first article about it was already written, even though we hadn't done much else with it. Since then we have pretty much followed the others' lead and during Saturday evening just had to reveal something about us. The speculation was rising and people demanded information. There was already an article about us in the Wall Street Journal and you just can't prepare for something like that. I thank about all the positive feedback we have got in Twitter and, really am surprised about this.

ML: So there is a lot of interest outside the borders of Finland?

JH: Absolutely! Almost...well...I'm starting to boast a bit here... English media, Chinese media, Russian media, our little news item has got a really wide coverage.

ML: We all are probably interested about how Nokia has reacted to this.

JH: Yep! As you mention Nokia, and many have been asking, I really have to send a thank you to them. I myself have had a 12 year career at Nokia and I have colleagues that have been 25 years on that path. Currently about half of our group is from Nokia. Nokia had this Bridge project by which we cooperated to make sure people from Nokia don't fall into oblivion but can continue working. Thanks for that! And a little thing we heard from Nokia today was that there is room for both firms. So I am pleased.

ML: Were they aware at Nokia that you were going to continue the development?

JH: Well, it was the project at Nokia to start new companies. We pulled it together and information went both ways. Yet looking forward at the timeline, we didn't expect the huge interest in Saturday and we'll see where we are going next. But we have been open to each other.

ML: So how can a small 50 person company like Jolla be bold enough to begin developing a smartphone?

JH: That's a good question. Just like the name Jolla (dinghy) says, we are navigating a little boat to the open seas. There we are among big players and we can't be small anymore. We try to build big enough base for Jolla to redeem its place within this industry. How I see Jolla's position, we are the company that makes possible in this world time, and its state, and the state of technology, to really create something new and important. That is how I see Jolla. And we are company of 50 for sure, but we have 6,000 followers in Twitter right now. Aside the market situation, the industry has changed in a way that you can buy lots of components off-shelf. Reference implementations for hardware...there's all sorts of Internet services. So you can assemble it together really quickly. Absolutely not are we starting everything from zero.

ML: You said you are about to create something new. Can you uncover any of that?

JH: If we talk about devices, I'm not ready to reveal details about them. Later this year we are going to present the line-up. We are a bit careful, as we want to deliver the things we promise. The new things we are doing here - someone knows MeeGo, some don't - but we are to deliver complet

Wait until next spring for Season II to start on YLE, or pirate. (I'm not prepared to get a cable package for one show.)

I'm waiting actually, mostly because I have very little free time. I suspect a lot of people are less patient here, a lot of my friends seem to be.

I bet Jack Tramel's death won't get the kind of coverage that Steve Jobs got.

Funny. I opened up a prominent Finnish technology news site that seems to worship the ground upon which modern-time gadget makers walk on - sure enough, no mention of Tramiel yet.

Open up the news from the national broadcasting company? Boom. That's in the foreign news section, so that's fairly prominent. Dennis M. Ritchie's death was relegated to the "science and technology" section. Oh boo hoo.

(Yes, they covered Steve Jobs too. Who didn't?)

I was only half-heartedly hoping Tramiel's death would be reported in national news, but I was not surprised that they actually did that. Commodore computers were pretty damn popular here back in the day.

I bet Jack Tramel's death won't get the kind of coverage that Steve Jobs got.

Funny. I opened up a prominent Finnish technology news site that seems to worship the ground upon which modern-time gadget makers walk on - sure enough, no mention of Tramiel yet.

Open up the news from the national broadcasting company? Boom. That's in the foreign news section, so that's fairly prominent. Dennis M. Ritchie's death was relegated to the "science and technology" section. Oh boo hoo.

(Yes, they covered Steve Jobs too. Who didn't?)

I was only half-heartedly hoping Tramiel's death would be reported in national news, but I was not surprised that they actually did that. Commodore computers were pretty damn popular here back in the day.

Nokia has over 130,000 employees.

I don't think it's that many. There's a graph in an Finnish online news article, and while the text is in Finnish, the graph should be pretty clear. The figure was about 120,000 employees in 2010 according to the graph. It probably ends before any of the current wave of layoffs have been included.

In the graph, the big jump around 2006 is probably when Nokia-Siemens Networks was created. If so, including the NSN employees is a bit misleading because generally NSN is thought of as a separate entity, and they have their own layoffs etc. which don't impact the phone manufacturing. Also, in 2007 Navteq was bought. So that's maybe about 60,000 "non-Nokia" people, with "Nokia proper" having about 60,000-70,000.

I haven't kept count, but by now the total reduction is about 10,000 if not even more. So that's 10,000 out of the 60,000, not 10,000 out of the 120,000.