Domain: zug.com
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What, Like John Hargrave?
http://www.zug.com/pranks/super/index01.html
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Re:This was done 6 years agoVery nice linked article about the Zug.com prank team. I particularly like that they did it just a few days after the Boston LED Art prank that everyone thought was part of a bomb, and that they were still able to get away with it. They fucking moved two pallets of shrink-wrapped necklace LED lights that weighed a quarter-ton through security and into the stadium. Astounding that anyone can sneak in if they can pass the cardinal 5 rules listed! Lost in this spectacle, it was easy for me to slip past the security station by just pretending I belonged. I make this sound easy, but in fact I was just following the five magic rules for getting into any event in the world: 1. Wear a suit. 2. Wear a Bluetooth headset. 3. Pretend to be talking loudly to someone on the other line. 4. Carry a clipboard. 5. Be white.
Also another killer quote from the fifth page when they ask the bomb squad to be allowed to borrow a small flatbed truck: http://www.zug.com/pranks/super/index05.html :
The psychology of cat and mouse is that the mouse will never walk up to the cat and ask if he can borrow a forklift. Mice just don't do that.Now of course, they never show the message, and I don't see proof that they plled it off, so is the prank on us?
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This was done 6 years ago
Zug.com snuck into the super bowl using social engineering as well.
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Re:The problem is shifting liability
If this story is to be believed, you can get away with signing pretty much anything and it's highly unlikely that anyone will even look at your signature.
Chip and PIN might not be perfect, but at least it makes it more than entirely trivial to use a card that you've just found somewhere in a store. -
Re:...Or you could just not go to porn sites
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Then, of course, there's the times I wished others had a filter. I volunteer at a church, and from my seat in the choir loft, I've seen churchgoers watch porn on tablets in the back row, during the service.
Maybe this guy was in attendance:
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Re:Enjoyment = Viagra + patdown
This guy did it: http://www.zug.com/live/87118/The-Viagra-TSA-Experiment.html
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Re:Blame big corporations. Really
This seems to be different from a regular reshipper/escrow service: instead of a company that buys goods on your behalf, receives the shipment and sends it on to you, this scheme involves recruiting regular people to do the reshipping (but not the purchasing) and act as cut-outs.
If you're brazen enough, you could potentially sign on with one of these dodgy schemes, retain the valuables (or rather, report it to the original sellers and return them) and re-ship bricks* to the scammers. The obvious problem being that you have to tell some rather nasty people where you live.
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Re:Based on what I have read about the guy...
This should make you feel real good about your credit card security:
http://www.zug.com/pranks/visa/index.html
It's a few years old now, but I don't think things have changed all that much in this arena.
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In 2008?
And she sent the laptop?
Sad. She should have called the police. And the police should have called Dell.
Me? Sure, I would send a laptop. What the heck. Does India charge customs fees for incoming gifts?
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But the banks DON'T verify that...
> The 99 cent one-time fee is a great way to verify user identity by using the banking / credit-card system.
Yeah, umm... The thing about that is that they don't verify your identity. At all.
No, seriously you can get a credit card in ANYONE'S name so long as you're paying the bill. They verify the transaction, not the person's identity.
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Re:Value add
In reality, it's not unusual for parcels to carry a false statement of value if, for example, you order something from Hong Kong on eBay. I doubt anyone would really be pulled up on something like that, either, but if a major company made a habit of it I'm sure there would be issues.
For an ingenious use of "false statement of value" see: http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/
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Re:Steve Jobs is different; he is abusive.
It's from a 419 scam bait prank. P-P-P-Powerbook
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Re:The Real Scam?
C'mon, don't you remember the part of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, right after his discussion of the Pin Factory, where he discusses the P-p-p-powerbook as a paradigmatic example of free trade in action?
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Hrmm, this seem familiar....
Oh yeah! This is the same processor found inside a P-P-P-Powerbook!
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Re:You Have No Idea
I'm sure they can make one based on the P-P-P-Powerbook - http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/
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Re:Why they may have done so
I hacked into my friend's (disregard that he smokes cock) computer to give him a virus and distribute some movies I just downloaded, but also to say this:
Buy cheap penis-pills from Verizon or I'll make my botnet DDOS your SMTP server with e-mails, you assholes!
I'm the one who cut all those underwater intercontinental fiber lines, by the way, and I did it while using a Verizon phone as a dildo in public to show my hate for the Jews!
Too bad you suckers can't do anything about it, though, because I'm in Iran!
... there, that should be about all of them. -
Scamming the Scammer: The P-P-P-Powerbook
One of my alltime favorites on getting back at the scammer:
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Re:legal signature? or a computer generated sig.?
If you haven-t read this, it's gold: http://www.zug.com/pranks/credit/
Liked the grid... -
Re:EMP? Impending poverty?
When I sign those silly credit card receipts I just scribble, I don't even bother trying to form anything even close to letters. I've never signed the back of a credit card, because no one looks (and now a days you rarely hand the card to anyone, you slide it yourself). No one has ever commented on my scribble.
I do make some effort on documents I consider important. Although I can't even remember the last time I signed something I considered important.
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Re:Laugher in cube next to me
Does this work on a http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/?
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Re:Upgrading
You should have stopped with "No you cannot buy a Macbook for $400".
But then I wouldn't have had the opportunity to make the joke about putting a "Mac" in a "book" to make a "Macbook".
But if you insist on being serious, I did buy my PowerBook G4 Titanium for under $400. I don't think I could find someone willing to sell an early MacBook for that price though. You could try some local pawn shops, or a Computer Renaissance maybe.
I'd still say any MacBook will be able to do more than any $400 machine you buy at Staples or Wal*mart, including be able to run the PC equivalent of Final Cut Pro (after removing MRCheckPro.Bundle).
After all, a P-P-P-Powerbook costs $2200 plus $550 in duty taxes.
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Re:Hah! That's a joke
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Re:This is why CC zero-liability is a good thing.
You're right about the rules, but nine times out of ten, large retailers will deny you if you don't show ID
Let me guess, you're were buying tobacco, alcohol, or porn, weren't you? Or you look extremely creepy, since usually the retailer won't even look at the signature unless you buy an expensive big screen tv.
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Re:This is why CC zero-liability is a good thing.
You're right about the rules, but nine times out of ten, large retailers will deny you if you don't show ID
Let me guess, you're were buying tobacco, alcohol, or porn, weren't you? Or you look extremely creepy, since usually the retailer won't even look at the signature unless you buy an expensive big screen tv.
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Re:Delaying the inevitable
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Re:Delaying the inevitable
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Re:Delaying the inevitable
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Re:Delaying the inevitable
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Re:Lumping too much stuff together
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Re:Lumping too much stuff together
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Since banks still think a CC is...
a valid proof of ID, I'm not surprised in the least.
Bank's have certainly outlived their usefulness. They are far too concerned about making money themselves than they are in keeping the money of their customers safe. Real security costs too much and security theater works just as good for public image and getting customers. For example, ID theft protection services. As a bonus this one actually makes the bank money too!
Something is seriously wrong when it's impossible to find a bank that will cash a US Treasury check (and in increasingly more cases a check drawn on their own bank) anymore unless you have an account with them.
Those that still do allow non-accountholders to cash a check drawn on them will require two random forms of ID (something they've made up to meet the law (reg. C? I think it is) on verifying ID, which is just ambiguous enough) a driver's license, CC, vehicle registration, etc. any of which could easily be forged and most of which are utterly useless for verifying that someone is who they say they are.
Pardon my LISP-like sentence structure, even though I haven't done any coding in LISP at all for years. -
Re:Gun Rights
The insurgency tactics being used in Iraq require access to things like plastic explosives and knowledge of bomb making. Those aren't available under your 2nd amendment rights, and if you tried to get them Homeland Security would come a-knocking.
Those sorts of things (knowledge of bomb making) would however be available under our 1st Amendment protected rights. And apparently making purchases related to landscaping or lawn care which may be questionable don't seem to set off any "terrorist alarms", yet.
If the Iraqi insurgents were using the sort of guns available to American citizens they'd have lost a long time ago.
.50 cal rifles are available to (at least most) US citizens, even if they do cost > USD$2k. AK47's are quite plentiful in the States, even though for the most part they are semi-auto. It's even possible to legally own full auto rifles (machine guns) albeit quite expensive. So generally I think the only difference would be that RPG's aren't available to citizens.
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Identity Monitor
This would never had happened if only all those customers had used Citibank's Identity Monitor protection service
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Re:Credit Card Signatures
Not if you consider this prank someone pulled to see how far he could go in signing an obviously fake name.
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Re:CC Signature Pranks
I wrote "See License" on the back of my credit card. I'm still amazed by the number of vendors who don't look, so I make sure to thank the ones that do, and chide the ones that don't.
Actually, Zug.com has an interesting tale of the author trying to see how much he could get away with when he signed credit card purchases. He even did musical notation once. Very funny.
http://www.zug.com/pranks/credit/
http://www.zug.com/pranks/credit_card/ -
Re:CC Signature Pranks
I wrote "See License" on the back of my credit card. I'm still amazed by the number of vendors who don't look, so I make sure to thank the ones that do, and chide the ones that don't.
Actually, Zug.com has an interesting tale of the author trying to see how much he could get away with when he signed credit card purchases. He even did musical notation once. Very funny.
http://www.zug.com/pranks/credit/
http://www.zug.com/pranks/credit_card/ -
Re:Joint accountI wonder sometimes what would happen if I called claiming to be her, and talked in a ludicrous Monty Python-style falsetto Wonder no more: they would probably not question it. Check out this prank (text transcript and audio), where he's able to fast-talk his way past the whole "mother's maiden name" question, and even impersonates his mother's voice without failing the security checks.
Actually, many of the pranks on the ZUG site are relevant to this current topic. In the credit card prank, he's able to sign credit card receipts with all kinds of ludicrous names (like "not authorized", or a picture of a house), and no one ever questions him about it.
All that to say that phone-based authentication questions and signing credit card receipts do remarkably little in terms of security. -
Re:Joint accountI wonder sometimes what would happen if I called claiming to be her, and talked in a ludicrous Monty Python-style falsetto Wonder no more: they would probably not question it. Check out this prank (text transcript and audio), where he's able to fast-talk his way past the whole "mother's maiden name" question, and even impersonates his mother's voice without failing the security checks.
Actually, many of the pranks on the ZUG site are relevant to this current topic. In the credit card prank, he's able to sign credit card receipts with all kinds of ludicrous names (like "not authorized", or a picture of a house), and no one ever questions him about it.
All that to say that phone-based authentication questions and signing credit card receipts do remarkably little in terms of security. -
Re:For the same reason as the Wiimote.
Or did you mean p-p-p-powerbook?
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P-P-P-Powerbook!
At least THAT product was delivered.
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Re:Poor guy
Surely not the first... P-P-P-POWERBook!
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Neat, but the classic P-P-P-Powerbook is better.
I still consider the ultimate classic 'P-P-P-Powerbook' to be the prime example of creative internet community vigilantisim. Allways a funny read indeed.
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Re:Another hole in the sieve?
I believe that's why the merchant is supposed to at least make a half-assed attempt at checking the signature...but how often does that really happen?
According to this guy, not very often. (Links to "The Credit Card Prank" - guy runs around signing various fake signatures unable to get ANYONE to check it until he buys three plasma TVs for 16K at Circuit City.)
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Re:Smugness perpetuated by AppleNote: I am not the original poster.
I have a MacBook Pro for almost two year now. Freezing? A LOT less than Windows. And Vista? Oh NO you didn't.
I've had a MBP longer than you have. I never had freezing on Windows XP SP2 (except at one point when stick of RAM went bad in a computer from 2001 - but I won't count hardware issues as OS issues). Nor did I on Linux. I have had plenty of lock ups on various versions of OS X.Dude - should have bought the three year protection plan.
I am one of the Apple users who did buy long term protection plans and things from Apple. It didn't help in the slightest with their terrible poor support. Losing machines for a few weeks, sending them back unfixed, formatting the thing and reinstalling the OS and sending it back, still not fixing the hardware issues.She wanted what she was used to, so a generic PC with Vista it was. 1 gig of RAM. The system is CHOKINGLY slow.
I'd say you didn't make the right PC purchase.Got Leopard now - everything just works.
Really? Is Java just working? Because it didn't for me.
What about time machine? Does it actually make 'just works' backups? Because the backups can't even boot up, can't back up encrypted files, can't even back up airport disk drives.
Never mind the fact the firewall in OS X 10.5 has shown to not "just work" as it did in past versions of the OS.
Hell, try even using wireless networks that don't broadcast their SSID and watch how consistent and how OS X "just works" every time (hint: it forgets and doesn't inconsistently).Interesting that you could have sold a dead MacBook Pro though.
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There's more evil out there..
Just in case you bought into the myth of PIN numbers reducing risk: there IS a risk reduction, but it's not in fraudulent charges. It's in liability for the card issues/bank.
You see, when you sign for a purchase, it's the retailers responsibility to check the signature. There is plenty of evidence that that isn't done very well but that means there will be at least evidence of a forgery. In other words, evidence exists it wasn't you who signed - the bank has to prove you signed it, and a thief will have to at least practise your signature. BTW, I don't know where I picked that up but it appears signatures are best compared upside down - it's got something to do with you then comparing the image rather than the 'text' in a signature.
Now imagine the same situation with PIN numbers. If the thief managed to get hold of your PIN you will have to prove you were NOT the buyer at the time (notice a trend: here again you have to prove your innocence instead of being innocent until proven guilty!). And no effort is required of the thief to replicate something that only you can do well. So if it goes wrong YOU instead of the bank has to do the hard work - you'll be liable for the outgoings until you can prove it wasn't you.
We then get into the question why it's only a 4 digit PIN - a normal bank card in, say, Switzerland has 6 and that works everywhere (I tried). The answer is that I have no idea, but 4 digits are easier to shoulder surf and memorise than 6.. -
Re:Bad idea
I've mentioned this before, but it's appropriate so I'll link it again. It's the Zug credit card prank! Read this and never feel safe with your credit cards again.
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Bricks anyone?Give iPod Thieves an Unchargeable Brick Can't I just keep the ipod and give them a brick painted as an iPod like the P-P-P-Powerbook instead?
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Its true!
Ordered mine last week and it's just arrived! Looks a bit different to what they had up on their site though. Here's a link: http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/
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Re:yeah yeahWith respect to credit card signatures, I think most readers will find these very interesting...
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Re:yeah yeahWith respect to credit card signatures, I think most readers will find these very interesting...