Slashdot Mirror
A New DeCSS
This guy has written a fairly amusing program called DeCSS and is asking people to distribute and link it in an effort to make things more difficult for the legal boys trying to track down the other DeCSS. The page has a lot to say, and this is definitely an interesting way to show support.
It's a program which strips Cascading Style Sheets from web pages. DeCSS - too funny. :)
Posting this "new" DeCSS code is a pretty innocent level of civil disobediance. The code is not illegal, if you were sued, the bad PR would hurt the MPAA more than help it. Your comments on drug laws is flawed. >>many attempts to override them through similar attempts at civil disobedience; however all of these have failed >> Many unpopular laws have been made/destroyed be the persistence of a vocal minority. Look at the civil rights act, womens right to vote. In fact, drug laws were enacted "because of" a vocal minority. The right to play DVD's on an unsupported OS is not quite up there with the right to vote, but posting Perl code to remove HTML tags is not quite the same as getting beaten to a pulp by an angry mob.
I don't know on what grounds a whole bunch of people could sue MPAA over
Some kind of class action suit about harming consumers (over charging) - if we could get price comparisons for just Britain and India and (very important) where those DVDs are produced, it'd be enough to hurt and possibly help the DeCSS case (the MPAA found to be abusing the DMCA). Note that this case would be pointless if the cheaper discs in India are manufactured in India. But if they're imported from the US, the MPAA is screwed.
Countersuits aren't too uncommon, and not always bad. For example, MP3.com vs. RIAA. We just need evidence of wrongdoing and illegal behavior.
Anybody?
Yea, how about circular links--page1 to page2, page2 to page3, page3 to page1, and any higher iterations than that. that ought to screw up bots designed to search for it?
You didn't get the point at all. I spend my first 16 Years in East Germany. Since the wall came down I live in freedom (not as much as I would like to, but much more than before). After reading your statement I'm pretty sure you have got no clue what freedom means. You definitly will lose a part of your freedom, if you can not participate on an (maybe) upcoming DVD hype if the OS of your choice is Linux and you are not willing to feed an other big dog sitting in the forests around Redmond... Point is: It will turn out good, if you choose to fight for a good thing - and freedom is a good thing!
Pop the code text in an ordinary command such
as ``ls'' in such a manner that it will display the code when supplied with an undocumented option.
Get a million copies out there.
Then announce the undocumented option.
Viola!
If everybody made links to emtpy .mp3 files on their sites, maybe the RIAA would stay off my back.
You cannot sue the entire world.
Better, the garbage text files could be filled with exactly the _right_ stuff that the MD5 hashes are the same. (Ok, so that is very very hard. It's a nice idea, though :)
Galileo officially recanted, and was allowed to live.
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Yes, the DMCA, UCITA, etc. limit such rights. But that's how laws get overturned. Remember CDA?
The problem, as always, is money. Hats of to mp3.com in this area. Are RedHat, VA, et. al. going to get involved? After all, the DVD CCA directly affects their bottom line.
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Watching a DVD that you've purchased under Linux is perfectly legal. Making a copy of a DVD for your personal use is perfectly legal. Yet, MPAA tries to stop you from exercising your rights to do these *legal* things. That's what this is all about: MPAA breaking the law, and us putting a stop to it.
New XFMail home page
What you're saying is that you don't feel the stakes are high enough in this particular case to flout the law. That's your opinion and that's fine. But others feel differently.
I'm not claiming that the DVD situation is comparable to the holocaust. I am saying that those who go along with unjust laws, or worse, berate others for disobeying them, aren't the good citizens they believe they are.
The heart of the problem in this case is that corporations have successfully lobbied for laws that line their pockets at the expense of society as a whole. It's not just about watching DVDs, it's about screwing regular people and intimidating them (using the threat of law suits) into complying. That stinks and has no place in society.
It is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail. - Abraham Maslow
Before you start with the self-rightious diatribes you should remember that disobeying bad laws has a long and honourable tradition.
The American Revolution, the Underground Railroad, the French Resistance, Jews escaping the Nazis, Ghandi's peaceful revolution... the list goes on. All of these things were horribly illegal.
The fact of the matter is that laws are made by people. Some people are ignorant, greedy, corrupt, or cruel and when these people make laws they need to be opposed using whatever means are most effective.
In this particular case we have shortsighted politicians who have perverted intellectual property laws far beyond the point where they serve any social good. The laws are wrong and the politians in charge are either too stupid or too corrupt to do anything about it. How do fight within the system if the system itself is broken?
It is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail. - Abraham Maslow
not suing people tho. just sending out cease-and-desist letters citing the preliminary injunctions given in the CA and NY cases. I'd say most mirrors will get one sooner or later.
If I distribute a program, can't I call it whatever I like? As far as I know, the name "DeCSS" doesn't violate any copyrights or trademarks. Why couldn't I name a program that I write "DeCSS?" Why does it have to be plausible?
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
Face it danger is not a good thing and I would rather have my pride/honor/respect/and freedom than play DVDs on unsupported OSs.
Yeah, and I'd rather have my freedom than be allowed to drive a car wherever I like without being monitored.
I'd rather have my freedom than be able to view whatever I wish on the Internet.
I'd rather have my freedom than be able to decide for myself what my children should or should not be taught.
I could go on...
Maybe we should all just quit trying to change the things that we think are done for the wrong reasons or that are unjust, or that are just plain stupid. I'm sure it would make things a lot easier for the government if we would all just shut up and do as we're told. Maybe you should get out there and lead the wooly resistance against those who would dare to refuse to let the government or corporations take their rights away without a fight. Baaa! Baaa!
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
It hurts legitimate searches for the code
The damage to searches for the other DeCSS is minimal for the geek and huge for MPAA lawyers. This is because MPAA lawyers and an average geek have different objectives. The geek want's to find ONE copy of the other DeCSS. The lawyers want (and to be successful MUST) find every single copy of the other DeCSS.
Multiplying a trivial effort by 4 (for example) isn't so bad. Multiplying a nearly impossable effort by 4 is a real show stopper.
Now when I want to grab DeCSS to play DVDs on my Linux box, I have to search through ten times as much noise to find what I need.
It's much easier to find one copy out of ten linke than it is to find one copy out of nothing at all.
Chris
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
Chris DiBona
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
By mirroring this and putting up somewhere visible, you will be helping out big time. I don't know if this is being said, but this will both cost time, money and lead to frustration for the MPAA/DVD CCA lawyers, which is a good thing :-)
Again, a copy is Here. Mirror early! Mirror Often! Post your link here and muddy up their searches!
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
Lets make thier jobs -hard-.
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
Check out The Crackmonkey Warez Page for a mirror of the DeCSS software. The original article is also on Aaron Malone's site
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Haha! How about a "DeCSS filter" that works like the pootifier and the Malkovich filter? That way your Web site could show up as "DeCSS the DeCSS DeCSS DeCSS in DeCSS DeCSS...."
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Using the phrase DeCSS is *hardely* against the law, and anyone attempting to sue an individual for using such a term would quickly find themselves countersued.
Peacefull resistence is not against the law. Neather is using the phrase, DeCSS. It simply means that they won't be able to do a simple net search for the phrase DeCSS, and get a list of sites..
There is no danger. As a matter of fact, I'd love to see one case where someone here was sued. Sure, slashdot was brought to court, but they are 'the big boys'. If they went after 10,000 little guys, once again, class action lawsuit against them..
-- I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me cookie..
Seriously, this is a great way to draw attention to the DeCSS case, which is exactly what we DO need. The MPAA are getting away with murder because nobody but the techies care.
However, if "innocents" can get themselves dragged into the lawsuit, that'll be a different matter. The press is more likely to ask questions. Awkward questions. An "obviously guilty" person isn't going to get serious respect, even if they're just a young kid. But when bystanders start getting shot at by the MPAA lawyer, I think the media will start perking up.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Er...
Why not re-name DeCSS to something like perl,
or bash or something... Heh
If these judges allow these laws to continue under their watch, screw the judges. Remember, they are former lawyers. I mean, if the RIAA, MPAA and the DVD-CCA are allowed to put on us what ammounts to SLAPPs (Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation) where people are being muscled out of their rights by force, money and the financial inability to defend themselves, stuff like throwing a wrench in their works should be totally legal.
When you think of it, it's the lawyers that run this country, maybe others. We allow lawyers to be elected to office to make laws that help litigation and pad the pockets of their partners at home. If you can't afford to defend yourself, you are screwed.
Maybe all those that were sued for linking could countersue for libel, as those links are only references, those links of themselves don't defeat copyrights, but the owners of those sites are being attacked and libeled as pirates.
Ya, I read a lot of the posts, which were all over the map, and I *still* think this is one hell of an idea!
Obfuscation, smoke screen, fog, civil disobedience, what the hell! Who could ask for anything more!
Those who are trying to find the *real* deCSS *will*, and the suits who are trying to find the sources will just have to dig a little deeper!
Fine, sez I.. slow 'em down!
Power to the people! Right on!
Check it out:
Free deCSS software!
t_t_b
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I'm on PJ's "enemies" list! Are you?
There are two reasons why such bottom-feeders should not be a major worry:
(1) Eliminating a specific class or instance of code or data is virtaully impossible because of the tendency of the internet (I speak of the net as including the human end-nodes) to route around censorship using the highly-respected "Whack-A-Mole" distribution model. And of course, overt limitations on the availability of information exponentially increases the interest in and demand for it.
(2) Any company making a business out of seeking and stamping out illicit data/code on the web must implicitly understand that if their actions are sucessful enough to become even a deterrent, then they will put themselves out of business. None would openly admit to this, but unless these are nonprofit or volunteer organizations their purpose is to make money. Thus their financial model requires enough success -- but not too much -- to provide a sustainable revinue stream.
J
I think not...(*poof*)
It's good to see the message boards up. *sniff* the nostalgia is overcoming...must use...2400 baud...modem..to surf...web site... must...solve...Small Hole...
Don't know how many others around here used to be on Nirvananet (TM), but I'm sure there's quite a few.
*sigh*
It's just not the same, but go here to read the boards.
--- Phyre
Point: Ms. Parks wasn't the innocent history claims she was. She was the Boss of the local chapter of the NAACP. She knew what she was doing.
Kinda like a lot of people on here. They know this is illegal, but post it anyway. You're hardly innocent.
I never said it would be enjoyable or practical...just intresting *LOL* The other alternative was to use a text-to-speech converter :)
> I did have one theroy though...don't know if it was brought up before...what if someone posted
;)
> a wav file ( because mp3 would be too "underground" ) of them reading the DeCSS
> ( as in the DVD program ) source code?
Hahahaha, I had this mental image of a beatnik reciting the DeCSS code as free verse in a smoke-filled, candle-lit coffeehouse as someone
plays bongos in the background. Hahahaha.
*LMFAO* Very nice, i actually like that.....as long as William Shatner doesn't mention anything about Priceline dot com at the end of the code
It's actually been at FreshMeat for a good part of the day, it's announcement is here But i just wanted to thank the Cmdr for finally posting the damn thing ( i had only submitted it three times today ) the nice spiel is too damn funny for anyone to pass on :)
( Warning, mildly offtopic thought follows)
I did have one theroy though...don't know if it was brought up before...what if someone posted a wav file ( because mp3 would be to "underground" ) of them reading the DeCSS ( as in the DVD program ) source code?
Sgt Pepper
Lame Sig Shamelessly Ripped from
Fortune:
A mind is a wonderful thing to waste.
You do have a point, and I agree that many DeCSS advocates are acting childlike, but you overlook one essential doctrine that has pervaded many US court cases (of which this is one). This doctrine is called "Fair Use" and it essentially states it is unfair and illegal to restrict the use of a product you have sold to a consumer for any reason other than legal contractual obligation. For example, it is illegal to prevent resale of a product unless it would be illegal to sell it (ie food packages without ingredient lists). In my opinion, banning DeCSS falls under this blanket, preventing legitimate DVD owners from watching movies the way they want. I agree, perhaps the communtities reaction has been overzealous, but this is an important legal case for consumer rights (possibly the second most important rights after human rights) and deserves most of the attention it is getting.
My (poorly written) $.02
--Nick
It's much easier to find one copy out of ten linke than it is to find one copy out of nothing at all.
Users have to find ONE copy. Then they stop looking and have fun with the software.
MPAA wants to find ALL copies. They want to name everyone with deCSS on their homepage in the lawsuit.
However, the intention is that the judge will laugh them out of court if their list contains 50% or even 10% "legit" deCSS copies. Moreover, I'd recommend everyone to switch to publishing the other deCSS the moment his name shows up on an MPAA list....
Roger.
Tell me how making risky choices makes me inherently better?
Because without taking risks, you will lead an empty, empty life. You cannot be sucessful WITHOUT taking risks.
--fatboy
I recommend an obfuscated DeCSS programming contest...
It would really put a kink in their work.
> No doubt you think that makes me a felon.
I'd just like to let you all know that I decided against making a horrible felon/feline pun at this point.
rock on...
Cute program. Not quite useless, has a legitimate reason for the name, totally legal, and a slap at the MPAA. But it doesn't help our case at all.
In fact, this could backfire on us.
"See!! Look!! These HACKERS are all alike!! They're trying to make it HARDER for us to seek out CRIMINALS trying to ROB US of your^H^H^H^Hour hard earned money made by selling DVD's of Porky's and Celine Dion!! KILL THEM ALL! Whoops. I mean, your honor, this demonstrates that these people don't have a leg to stand on. Please kindly sign this court order effectively stamping on the rights of Geeks even further? Thank you.
Finding God in a Dog
No judge in the world would let them get away with that, and most of them would fine them for wasting the court's time. :)
-David T. C.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
I'll be finishing it up shortly!
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
"DeCSS" == "Deirdre's Checksum & Size Satisfier"
::snort::
Motto of the project: "It's always just the right size"
OK, where's the lurid graphics? I'm ready to print t-shirts!
_Deirdre
For this reason, I suggested to Mr. Bad that he add some cruft so that it would have the same file size and checksum.
:)
I think that would be a lovely program to write (make arbitrary size and checksum cruft).
Maybe I'll call it DeCSS.
_Deirdre
The 2600.com list combined with DeCSS2,3,4 nails it to the net in a very special way,
Don't think so. Lists like this will stay.
By using "fake-dcss" you're making it hard for the MPAA to find the real file. At the same time, you'e making it hard for the general public to find the file-- so you're doing the MPAA's work for them.
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This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
I'm tempted to just rename every single program I write "DeCSS". I'd just give them all different descriptions. Imagine if, for a couple of months, nearly every Open Source project changed the name of their downloadable package to "decss.tar.gz". So, as a member of the Open Source community, and a DVD owner who would like to use Linux to play his DVDs, I emplore everyone who reads this to consider changing the name of their downloadable files to decss.tar.gz. Thank you.
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This is definitely an amusing idea, yet unnecessary. The internet has already interpreted the censorship as damage, and worked around it.
My take on it was that it's better this way. Most everyone has their copy of the code, and if you don't Cryptome.org was still carrying the DVD-Hoy-Reply.htm a few days ago (like late last week) complete with Exhibit B. So it's still available. i think the time for letting everyone get their copy isn't over, but if you've missed the ball by now, then you're living sans internet. That said, I think it's time to pull this hack in as many ways we can. I think there should be multiple languages used in both DeCSS versions, that we should create converters to switch it all back to the original format. Anything to have fun with their heads. There may be 100s of them working on this, even 1000s but how long does it take for me to put up a page with 5 links on it?
point is, we now have a simple way to cause them delays. let's do it and give the EFF more time to strengthen their case.
ALL HAIL BRAK!!!
RUETERS: February 18, 2000
Yahoo.com is reporting yet another DoS type attack. It appears that the attack was based from Holland, MI company slashdot.org, a site owned by andover.net. A mid-level spokesperson was quoted as saying, "Why does this keep happening?"
In an unrelated incident, a new breed of DeCSS, the program developed by hacker Jon Johannsen to allow copying of DVDs, has begun to appear on several mirrors. Internet users have reported that their favorite sites seem to look different after running the program. A hacker by the name of "Kry848y" wrote, "We finally decided we'd had enough of the MPAA's shit, so we decided to fsck with them some more."
Meanwhile, Natalia Portman was unavailable for comment.
ALL HAIL BRAK!!!
Bite the hand.
> AND DON'T MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE YOUR 14 YEARS
> OLD.
By your grammar and spelling I'd say you're doing a lot better job in that department than the DeCSS supporters.
Why don't we all just buy DVDs at whatever price they are offered. After all, who are we to complain? The MPAA is just protecting us from viewing their content in a way they didn't prescribe. Fair Use is just a loophole for pirates, after all. And damn these people suing the Tobacco companies- Don't they know they are driving up the price of cigarettes?
I'd just like to let you all know that I decided against making a horrible felon/feline pun at this point.
I humbly thank you for your restraint
"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." --
Point: Ms. Parks wasn't the innocent history claims she was. She was the Boss of the local chapter of the NAACP. She knew what she was doing.
Yeah. She was, in a harmless way, violating an unjust and immoral law, which happened also to be unconstitutional. Of course she knew what she was doing: She was standing up for her rights as a citizen.
In any case, if you think membership in the NAACP somehow precludes "innocence", you're out of your mind.
They know this is illegal, but post it anyway. You're hardly innocent.
I think you've just raised bootlicking to a new peak of perfection. Calling a program "DeCSS" is not illegal. In fact, I'm going to rename my cat "DeCSS". There, it's done. I'll be calling him that from here on in. No doubt you think that makes me a felon.
"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." --
No, you're right, it is completely legal to write any program you'd like and call it whatever you wish... It's just that, in case you hadn't noticed, there's a lawsuit going on... If you feel the as strongly as you do about it, why don't you just post the DeCSS source everywhere? Because that's wrong, illegal, and you know it. So basically, you're trying to give the real "DeCSS" security though obscurity... which for one, we all know doesn't work all that well... except, say, if the case is won by the defendants, in which case legitamate users will have to surf through 12000 sites that all contain this De Cascading Style Sheets utility when they actually want something else.
Maybe I should start a movement to have everyone start naming their software "linux", "apache", "windows 2000", etc... It's never been done before today, but hey... this is the open source movement and they don't need to obey rules, laws, or respect anything.
Well according to the logic here, microsoft could start pooring huge amounts of pages into one of the web service they own that all mention the linux kernel repeatedly in hopes of making it harder for users to find the real information they're looking for...
MSN could delete all entries to Linux in it's database, or redirect them all to the Windows 2000 homepage...
According to the reasoning being given here, that would be all fine and dandy. I don't think it would go over too well for anyone here if the tables were turned like that...
Rather than just acting with complete disregard for the laws and whatever, why doesn't everybody here just ADVOCATE why they think DeCSS is okay, and let the court systems decide...
... children.
If the answer comes back in a form that you disagree with, THEN disregard their decision and do what you wish...
It only seems that you're all making the lives much more difficult for everyone involved by acting like... dare a say the word?
"you can't catch me! neener neener!"
Write letters to your representatives. Write letters to the companies. Write letters to the judge. Put informational web pages as to why you think DeCSS is okay.
Look at Connectix as an example... Things are going good for them. Yes, they've barely sold their software yet, but they're setting a very important precedent. You too could set a precedent, but in the end it will all be remembered as acting in complete disregard of the "rules" that everyone is made to obey...
They're not written in stone, you know... It's just easier to justify everything when you wish they were.
Is there some reason why the one true DeCSS hasn't been reimplemented under a different name (or 3 dozen)?
After all, the source is a matter of public record now, and it's been on T-shirts and all... Why not re-implment it in any and all programming languages out there. Java, Pascal, Fortran, Perl, VB, Befunge (ferchrisakes!)..
Differently named, all of them.
This new DeCSS is litigation chaff, and we should follow the blow with another, and another.
Let's add the string "DeCSS" to comment fields of web pages, to give the spiders and bots something to chew on. Let's integrate the DeCSS source code into web page background images.
-- What you do today will cost you a day of your life.
Lawyer: Your honor, I'd like to read a statement from a webpage I found. It says "Fuck the MPAA" We hold this as evidence that people don't like us.
Judge: Excellent evidence, prosecution automatically wins.
Please, you think the average hired thug searching for sites posting DeCSS is intelligent enough to setup a script to check filesizes or run hashes on everything they're searching for?
More like obfusciation of injustice.
What we really need is for someone to start writing different programs that do the exact same thing as (the real) DeCSS. The DeCSS trial is a debate over how the program was reverse engineered. If a program is engineered from scratch, with such things as another open source program as a model or perhaps information from a public court record as a model, then what leg do they have to stand on?
Once there are three or four programs out there that do the exact same thing as DeCSS and have different names, there really won't be a battle left to fight. You can't climb three mountains at once.
http://www.sarahandcasey.com/decss/cssstory.txt
Is the entire css auth code in, well, story form. It's hilarious.
Returned Peace Corps IT Volunteer
The one significant error you make is assuming that physical pain will always be greater than emotional or psychological pain. people don't commit suicide -- inflict the ultimate physical pain upon themselves -- to avoid physical pain (frequently -- of course for some folks like cancer victims they do). they do it to avoid emotional or psycological anguish. Living with terrible cowardice or regret is a painful existence to go through every day of your life. For many it would be vastly preferable to simply die trying to extinguish the pain by fighting their oppresors than to live a "painless" life of physical comfort. Its the same reason that knowing the world is unfair is a relatively painless thing -- explaining to your child that it is unfair can be one of the most emotionally draining experiences of your life, becuase you see in their eyes the basic instinct (that you have avoided) that it shouldn't be...
Recursive: Adj. See Recursive.
Hate to say this, but....
That would be easy to defeat...
Change letter from lower case to upper in one of the files and you can distribute the real DeCSS until you get discovered. Get alot more ppl involved and it's unmanagable again.
This is just one of the MANY ways to make the jobs of those searching for the DeCSS code more difficult.
Oops... darn > and < disappeared from specific places...
Lets try
perl -e '{tr/[a-zA-Z0-9][n-za-mN-ZA-M5-90-4]/g;print}' < DeCSS.cpp > DeCSS.r13
people to start saving massive amounts of cookies,
that when combined form the full tar.gz of DeCSS (or even just the illegal part, as someone also mentioned using--definately shrink the size of the cookies!)
Would work, don't you think?
Why not? Untar it in one dir and diff it against another or something like that. Can alwasy bzip2 it as well.
.diff.gz and the real one in a .diff.bz2
Or, one could distribute the fake one in a
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Lab test show that use of micro$oft causes deadly cancer in lab animals.
One of Ami Ganguli's original examples holds some water with the DeCSS case, however. I am not a historian, though, so my reasoning or thoughts may be incorrect.
The American Revolution
We weren't actually fighting over anything nearly as noble as peace, freedom, intolerance, etc. As far as I know, we were fighting over money and property. The rights of taxation, representation, ownership, etc. And while we won, it wasn't legally, fairly, or nicely. And if we had any right to do it then, as indivduals trying to gain control over our own lives and world vs an empire that wanted none of that, it shouldn't be any different, I don't think, of consumers trying to fight the MPAA or the entertainment industry over control over what we can and cannot do with our DVDs, CDs, music, players, OSes, etc.
You're right in complaining about the other examples, however =)
-AS
-AS
*Pikachu*
If all this DeCSS, RIAA, mp3, MPAA and lawsuit stuff is getting to you, do something about it.
Patronize live bands. Watch a theatre performance. Go to the beach. Take up a musical instrument.
We do not have to live our lives consuming the goods if they don't want us to consume them! If they want to make proprietary closed and encrypted CDs, then don't buy them. Don't buy CDs. Don't pirate them. Just find something else to do!
There are big battles in life, and DeCSS and such may be one of them. But the value of the battle is not just in watching DVDs under Linux. It's the right to do as we see fit, in our own lives.
So go and do so!
-AS
-AS
*Pikachu*
Now I'm mad...
;-)
I went through all of this work to set up my wonderful-est web site, with beautiful copyrighted content, with region coding so that you viewers in France see one version, which I charge more for by the way, and one in Australia which implements filter eluding porn links (this one's real expensive), and the regular cheap page for 'Mericans with all the banners you could ask for, doubleclick.com cookies in all the images, etc. My revenue needs to be protected by all of this CSS coding.
I send these pages encrypted in SSL, and now you're running this decryption program that removes my region encoding, and displays my copyrighted text in plain HTML for the world to see. Why, you reverse engineered a device which removes the encoding from my copyrighted web site content and are distributing it.
I'm gonna sue under the DCMA.
(Would somebody please explain this to the judge in the real deCSS case in New York, just in case he doesn't already get it?)
...Open Source isn't the only answer -- but it's almost always a better value than the alternatives...
The MPAA has blinded everyone by making them fight for this bit of code, IMHO.
:-)
:-).
:-)
DeCSS is out there. No amount of legal wrangling will ever get it all removed. The MPAA has assured that themselves by even bothering over the issue.
What's the defense again? "DeCSS was a necessary first step in producing a program for Linux that is capable of playing DVDs." Okay. Good. I agree. Now, where's the player?
Ok, ok, I realize there's work being done on it, but I still don't see even a beta of a fully functional player. Here's what I'd consider a fully functional player beta:
Can play video
Can play sound
Can do the DVD menu stuff (mostly.. problems will exist)
Can do over 50% of the stuff in the player specs (as in branching, alternate audio tracks, etc)
Once a player exists, no-one will care about DeCSS anymore. Just don't use the EXACT code from DeCSS in the player. Hell, I'm not sure that you can, even. I need to read up more on the specs and try to grasp that DeCSS code I'm mirroring in 20 places
But, if a player existed, all attention will shift to it. DeCSS will be a forgotten memory. Plus, and here's the bonus, the MPAA's major offensive CANNOT be used against a player. Their major strategy seems to be that DeCSS is a copying program. If you make a player, it's not a copying program. It's a player, obviously. Just don't put in a write to disk feature (Leave that for the first upgrade after you win the suit
Ah well. I really just wanted to get it out there. If I'm incorrect, and there is a good functional player in existance, please tell me! Tell everyone. Tell the world. I know there are projects out there to do this, so lets give them some press attention.
Just another thought I had the other day. Correct me if I'm wrong, but DeCSS just uses the Xing key, correct? Well, how hard is it to crack all these keys? I mean, here's how I understand it:
The movie is encrypted using a "Key Prime".
The Key Prime is encrypted using all the myriads of other keys, including Key Xing.
DeCSS tells the DVD player Key Xing, gets Key Prime, and can decrypt the movie.
Well, then all you need to play a movie is Key Xing, or Key Sony, or whatever. Well, there's umm.. well, call it a thousand Keys on there, all of them encrypting Key Prime.
Since you can get Key Prime using Key Xing, how hard is it to get, say, Key Sony? You have the encrypted Key Prime using Key Sony, and you have Key Prime. Maybe you still must use a brute force attack, I don't know.
My thought was, why not get ALL the keys, and then spread them around? Look, the consortium could decide at any time that Key Xing has been compromised (which is true) and stop putting it on new disks. But, they can't add new keys, because they lose the market by removing all backwards compatibility with all existing players and disks. Also, they can't remove all keys because then it's free and clear for anyone.
So find those keys. Make your OSS player able to use ANY key, but it doesn't come with a key by default, it just reads it from say, key.txt
Then put all the different keys out there. Remember, once they're there, they're there forever.
Ahh well. Now I'm rambling.
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And it should be carefully chosen garbage, so CRC checks of the software produce the same checksums...
IANAL
Implementing what css-auth does in another langauge would be great! You have to remember tho, that you wouldn't want to look at the decss/css-auth code.. what you'd need to do is look at the paper that was published, or non-code version and NOT the auctal css-auth/decss program.
There's some legal reason for this, like when compaq reverse engineered the IBM bios, and then used a second different team to make their own.
If someone is going to write a decss version in another language (or any) DON'T look at the current code, find a paper or find someone to tell you how it works. THIS would be perfectly legal, and the MPAA would have no legal standing.
My email addy? should be easy enough.
What if we win the DVD case, and it becomes legitimate to use DeCSS; I don't want to wade through numerous copies of a program porporting to be "DeCSS" before finding the real thing!
Huh? What about going to i.e. freshmeat in this case. Ok, you'll find two now, but this should be managable.
Of course, there would be real people behind the cases, so it wouldn't be like the recent high-profile network problems, but still...
Okay, I have it mirrored on my site as well, if anyone wants a copy of it.
This program is really cool. Check it out!
Isn't the goal of a good hash function to prevent anyone creating collisions? (Yes, I know, md5 has some weaknesses).
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I'm pissed. Moderate me down if you want. But there are always two sides to the story. If you wanted to get DVD support in linux, for christs sake your going about it THE WRONG WAY!!! Email the companies, email the developers, talk to the right people. AND DON'T MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE YOUR 14 YEARS OLD.
God gave us a brain, use it!!! Your rights, linux rights, deez nuts, your nuts.. WHO CARES. But i want my DVD movies, i want what i'm paying for!! I don't want everyone copying disks and raising the costs of what i pay for. I don't want people suing companies because of there rights to break someone elses protection scheme. DeCSS my ass.. You guys are fighting for a war that doesn't exist. And slashdot is the only benifactor of the advertising revenue this topic generates.
Do you think DVD technologies grew on trees? did it not take millions of dollars in investments and man hours to create this superb media format? Did it not take licensing with THX and Dolby to use superb sound? Does DeCSS bring this benifet to the masses? Did decss people license what others have spent BILLIONS developing? Did the linux community create something new for a change? NOOOOOO.. so SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT THIS ALRIGHT!!
Maybe if you were responsible in creating something rather then trying to manipulate and re-evolve everything it would be as bad. But no, its not that way. So what will linux loose? What WILL decss loose? NOTHING.. ABSO FREAKIN LOOTLY NOTHING will be lost. Maybe the time of one person. But hell, thats alot cheaper then at the expense of millions of end users, hundreds of studios, thousands of licensee's and many many many developers other then the people who think they are kings here..
geezus.
Obfuscation cuts both ways.
Now when I want to grab DeCSS to play DVDs on my Linux box, I have to search through ten times as much noise to find what I need.
It hinders the profiteers at MPAA, and it hinders the legitimate users as well.
Still, it's pretty damn funny.
Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachtani?
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Or the recording industry will... ;)
From the page: The MPAA has got a bee in their bonnet about this DeCSS. They think it's good for COPYING DVDs, which, in fact, it's totally useless for.
WTF?!?!
How is DeCSS useless for copying DVDs? In fact, DeCSS is really the only way to get a perfect, unencrypted copy of a DVD without hacking the hardware. Other methods (frame grabbing from video memory, analog sampling from an input card), will let you copy the movie, but not the 'extras', such as audio tracks, other angles, whatever.
Don't you people know that a standard DVD player can't copy the decryption keys from the disk in normal operation! You can't just CP the encrypted VOB files and expect them to work anywhere (they won't work on windows players, because without the keys, the Software will have nothing to decrypt them with. In order to view them, you need something to decrypt them. Namely DeCSS).
First it was just that you didn't really need DeCSS to copy, you could get a DVD pressing plant, Then it was you can copy the files to the hard drive with CP. Now your saying that DeCSS is useless For copying??!?! That's all it does!! (Have you ever even run the software??)
Ok, I'm sure I'm going to be flamed for saying this, accused of being bought by the MPAA (wtf is that?), or marked as troll. But whatever. The amount of doublethink here on slashdot about this is just insane. Is there one person here who's actually just copied the VOB files from an encrypted disk and then been able to watch the video on another computer?
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You make your choices, and we'll make ours.
My mirror is right here.
Some people belive that risks need to be taken to protect our freedoms.
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Forget DeCSS. I would like to see someone create a device driver for Windows that fool software into thinking the encrypted .vob files (and whatever else off the DVD disk) sitting on your hard-drive is actually a physical DVD disk. That way you can use real, licensed, DVD player software to decrypt and play pirated movies you downloaded off the net.
.VOB file without the decryption keys. When you copy a .VOB file of a DVD disk, you don't copy the keys (indeed, it's physically impossible to do so with an unmodified DVD-ROM drive). Therefore, a windows player will have nothing from witch to decrypt the data.
Um, you can't actually do that. Windows players can't play a an encrypted
Of course, you could just decrypt the data by brute force, since it's so weak. In fact, there is a program that does just that. It's called DeCSS. (Well, actually, I'm not even sure if DeCSS, or anything else, can do this)
You can't decrypt something with out the proper keys, that's the whole point of encryption.
Therefore, you can't play back an encrypted DVD without the data on the key tracks. That data cannot be copied. That's the whole point of CSS.
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Um, actually you could market a chocolate bar under the name "Marijuana" it just wouldn't sell.
You know damn well it would sell. Like hot cakes, it would.
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How 'bout a contest: "the funniest DeCSS clone"?
I'm not sure I'm all enthusiastic about the idea of coming up with uncountably many new ways of distributing the DeCSS source (rather than, say, concentrating on proving that it is legal). But if you are looking for yet another way to do it, and if possible one which will get the legal system into a not of paradoxes, I have a suggestion for such a method which might be a novel way of supporting free speech on the Internet if enough people apply it.
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IMO, the smartest thing that this guy does is not to create a new DeCSS. It's his offer to find another better job for the human spiders who are actually crawling the web as hit men for the MPAA. They have to read the page to determine if it's actionable; and by reading the page, he gets a chance to hire them away. Imagine if everyone the MPAA can hire for this job quits after a week :).
Unfortunately, this may be TOO smart of him. IANAL, but I suspect that the offer to hire someone away merely as a predatory attack on the business that employs them (and not in order to gain their skills) may be illegal under some kind of racketeering statute.
Of course, if a real lawyer were to reply to this message with a professional opinion in the affirmative, he/she might be doing the MPAA's dirty work for them and helping get this poor fellow sued (criminally, not civilly!) when that's exactly what he was trying to avoid.
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You are missing the whole point. It was ment to be bad. I saw him read some stuff on SNL a along time ago, and it killed me then and I still think it is funny as hell.
Course when the little guys start vanishing you gotta worry about the little guys taking some vengance. Let's look at this situation some more. On one hand you have big corp. and their (supposed) ties to organized crime. One the other you have a totally random collection of relatively intelligent, relatively wealthy geeks scattered all over the world. In a fight, which do you think would win? It's easy to identify the targets in one group. It's not so easy to do so with the other.
It's the totally random killing that is difficult to prevent. And if every person you see on the street is the one who could be gunning for your ass, you'd better just stay indoors.
Course this is all hypothetical, because (even if there was a connection) your average crime boss isn't an idiot and they realize that there really is nothing that can be done about this particular situation. The only hope the MPAA and RIAA have of getting saved in this is to have the government back them up.
Many people seem to believe that the creation of another program named DeCSS will help the cause of playing encrypted DVD's by confusing the MPAA's lawyers, who want to crack down on the "real" DeCSS. This might initially look like a harmless, and somewhat humorous, joke, but if it becomes popular, I think it could end up harming the efforts of those who want to watch DVDs.
One of the main (and IMHO, the strongest) arguments of the defendants in the DeCSS cases is that people have a right to watch DVD's that they own, without any hindrance from big companies. Tactics like making a "fake" DeCSS destroy the crediblity of the defendants--if people really should be able to freely distsribute DeCSS, it shouldn't be necessary to create another program to obscure the real one. In other words, why should we have to cover up activities (such as distributing DeCSS) that should be completely legal?
Furthermore, a false DeCSS program, while annoying lawyers, will be even more annoying to those who actually want to use the program--consumers. What if we win the DVD case, and it becomes legitimate to use DeCSS; I don't want to wade through numerous copies of a program porporting to be "DeCSS" before finding the real thing!
In my view, people could better utilize their time by supporting and distributing the true DeCSS, rather than confusing the issue and potentially harming the effort to create a free DVD player.
You expect any less from someone who calls MS-Windows users "mouth-breathing"?
In this world, you only have to have a couple high-profile public butcherings, and the rest of the populace just files into line like the sheep they are. Occasionally, perhaps rarely, a bunch of sheep get together and arm themselves and make it difficult for the herders, and perhaps even more rarely, the sheep cast off their sheepskins and again become men. But most people just want to go about life milling around and grazing, without much care for how they're being sheared.
Repeat after me: baaaaa. baaaaa.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
I think that would be a lovely program to write (make arbitrary size and checksum cruft). Maybe I'll call it DeCSS. :)
:-)
_Deirdre
Actually, that would work out just fine!
"DeCSS" == "Deirdre's Checksum & Size Satisfier"
Now start coding.
We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
Thanks a bunch for calling New Zealand and New Zealanders stupid. We really appreciate it. Great way to advance your argument.
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>as long as William Shatner doesn't mention anything about Priceline dot com at the end of the code ;)
God I hate those commercials... not only does he butcher the original song (whichever one it happens to be), he's even more stiff and useless than when he was doing Trek...
"It's tough to be bilingual when you get hit in the head."
I know it was meant to be bad, but there's bad and funny (i.e. Mel Brooks films) and then there's just bad (Shatner).
I guess he just rubs a nerve the wrong way.
What next...
"People try to put me down...
just because I get around...
and all because if Priceline dot com, yeah...
saying I just got a great deal (blah blah blah)...
What is it, Spock?
Extra airline miles for each transporter trip, and all on priceline dot com.
Isn't it great how I get paid for having no noticable acting talent? All beacuse of priceline dot com... yeah.
Thank you."
"It's tough to be bilingual when you get hit in the head."
... wouldn't it be much more to the point to do some really good design documentation on the original DeCSS? Like, as in totally pelucid English (or Norwegian) prose. Explain in unmistakable detail how CSS works, and how to go about a key search for it.
/. reader) could crank YADeCSS in an afternoon, and I defy any judge to say that there aren't any First Amendment implications to censoring prose (or at least to do so with a straight face.)
With that in hand your average 8-year-old (or at least an 8-year-old
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
I'd post these comments on PDJ, but we're currently swamped with slashdot hits, so I figgered I'd do it here:
- Yes, it's silly. Yes, it's a joke. But humor is one of the biggest assets of the freedom-loving community. Let's use it wisely.
- Wide distribution of DeCSS *may* be a minor nuisance for "good" people looking for DeCSS. Note, however, that the DVD-CCA has done much, MUCH worse damage by shutting down sites with DeCSS and sites that link to sites with DeCSS. The problem of having to sift through false DeCSS's is a drop in the bucket by comparison.
- Also remember that someone who's looking for DeCSS just to use it only needs to find *one* copy. Even if they get a few false positives, they will eventually find a real one. However, someone with a legal agenda will be looking for ALL copies. Having thousands of decoys will make their hunt much more difficult.
- If you're really worried about making it easier for "good" people to find DeCSS, mirror it! Or at least link to the excellent meta-site at dvd-copy.com.
- Someone smart will be able to find the "real" DeCSS using file sizes and hashes. Fine! Let's make them work harder. Also, the person who does that coding (they'll probably use Free Software like perl to get it done) should think long and hard about it. Shame on geeks who sell out their brothers to The Man!
- I do not weep for Jack Valenti and the MPAA. They already mentioned the DeCSS Distribution Contest in legal filings. I'm sorry if we're making it hard to sue the Internet. Maybe the next industry cartel with this idea will think twice about it.
- If you can't get into Pigdog Journal, try one of these mirror sites:
- Crackmonkey
- Cryptome
- Pottymouth
- ZGP
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I think the idea is to tie them up in court with tend of thousands of little cases rather then one big class action suit.
I really like this idea it would really tax their legal staff to appear in thousands of courts all ove the country (or the world) and would cost them millions of dollars wheather they won them all or not.
Death by a million needles!
War is necrophilia.
Are you truely free if someone tells you that you _must_ watch a movie on DVD and that you _must_ use a player under an OS that the MPAA has designated? They claim that encryption is to prevent piracy. I was stunned when a friend bought a DVD player for his computer and he could simply copy the files from the DVD to his HD. What's all this fuss about DVDs being encrypted then? It all has to do with control of the distribution more then prevention of piracy.
The fact of the matter is, is that if you are watching video on your screen, then at some point someone's going to be able to get ahold of the raw data, and there is nothing the MPAA can do to stop you from ripping the movie. I'm sure that they could have come up with a better engineering solution to preventing piracy of DVDs if they were truely interested in doing so, which they obviously were not. But as we should know by now I don't think the encryption is a means to prevent piracy, I think it's a means to control the distribtion of media. Consider this scenario:
Audio DVDs are released with patented encryption. An musician decides to release an album independantly. With plain old cds he goes down to the local cd pressing shop and pays a wad of cash to get his cds pressed. At that point he hops on his bike a distributes the cds by hand to the various record stores. Yey for democracy. Now enter DVD audio cds. At this point the musician attempts to get his cds pressed and discovers that the encryption is patented and whoever owns the patent demands either: You pay us a licencing fee to have your cds pressed, and maybe if we don't like something about your music we just won't let you press them at all, or, sign to a major record label, losing all legal control over your music and getting paid 5 cents on the dollar for what they sell them at.
The horrific possibilities that many of us see for the future of intellectual and artistic freedom have very little to do with just 'playing dvds in an unsupported OS'. It has to do with not having freedom of expression restricted to a handful of large greedy corperations.
...might be sufficient to accomplish his goals. If this effort gets a bunch of publicity on the web and a thousand pages get linked from the various search engines, it will have been worthwhile.
;)
If the software were actually useful it could be a roaring success. Does anyone out there have a useful program just lying around that could plausibly be renamed DeCSS and relaunched?
If one is good, a hundred would be better!
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I can see this becoming a bit of a headache for people searching for the REAL DeCSS. Say for instance, someone types DeCSS.zip into a web or FTP search - they might get a ton of hits for the useless program, and have a really hard time finding the real one. At the same time, making it harder to find might quiet the MPAA a little bit, but at the same time, is this the best solution? In any case, I do think its kinda funny.
Just my $0.02.
Tcl my Pico! There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Here is what I'm going to do. I'm going to call the MPAA and let them know, politely, how I feel about their DeCSS actions.
.wav file so all I have to do is connect to their phone line and then play the file. I'd advise against automating it since there might be laws about computers calling relentlessly after the phone soliciters started using them. In this case I don't think there would be any way to prove that it's a recording but this way you don't bite off more then you're willing to chew.
I haven't called yet so I'm assuming that they don't have a person answering that number. Either way, I'll call personally first and then I might record a really long rant as a
I got this address from their website. It wasn't in the first few pages but I eventually found it.
I might even spend 2-3 bucks on photocopied postcards send on random days.
Main Office Address:
Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA)
Motion Picture Association (MPA)
15503 Ventura Blvd.
Encino, California 91436
(818) 995-6600
We the Sheeple...
So, after zillions of people put up mirrors of the "real" DeCSS over the past several weeks, making it easyer and easyer to find it, now we start "diluting" by a namesake in order to confuse the lawyers. Only problem: this will also make the "real" DeCSS harder to find to legitimate downloaders, and thus might actually play into the shark's hands...
Hahaha... Those were funny. I especially liked your 'Deter Cannabalistic Social Sacrifices' program.
'Intellectual Properties' are uncontrollable in the wild. To base an economy on them is just stupid.
That should be http://jamie.ufies.org
/. crowd would be able to figure that out anyway :)
Although I would hope most of the
Tell a man that there are 400 Billion stars and he'll believe you
My copy of the DeCSS program is at My Utterly Useless Web Page
The scary thing is, this is the closet I've ever gotten to putting something useful up on the apache server I've been wasting clock cycles with all this time.
Tell a man that there are 400 Billion stars and he'll believe you
FODDER FOR THE MPAA LINE READER
decrypt dvd decss matrix hollywood linux netherlands torvalds royalties
Hey, if you want to have some quick, cheap and durable method of distributing source code, go to Rhino Cd Card. They sell a little 40 mb cd the size of a bussiness card that could be filled with copies of the source code and given away....
Hey, has anyone looked into printing the source code in a micro-dot?
Have a copy .
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I don't really mind double posts on
The next version of DeCSS should include a "garbage" text file with just enough filler text (Perl poetry, perhaps? Anti-MPAA manifesto?) such that decss.tar.gz and decss.zip have EXACTLY THE SAME FILE SIZE AS THE REAL THING!
:)
That will really mess with their heads...
World War II? Whatever you're smoking, I want some of it.
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"HORSE."
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I feel the need to code my own. We all should. :)
.png file doesn't have to be loaded before the browser formats it's page (yeah, a bit picky, but we should all do our part to clean up the 'net...):
< /a></p>
But for those of you who want to use the pic to link to the site, I recommend you use the following code, instead, so the small
<p align="center"><a href="http://www.pigdog.org/decss/"><img border="0" width=100 height=42 alt="DeCSS Now!" src="http://www.pigdog.org/images/decss-now.png">
It doesn't. But failing to examine choices because they *seem* risky is a short-sighted and useless display of cowardice. Galileo, Socrates, Ghandi, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Einstein, and other great challengers in history examined the common mores, saw their flaws, and worked to overcome them. The actions and thoughts that they proposed were ridiculous at first. They all faced humiliation - at the very least - and all but two (Rosa and Einstin) lost their lives for their cause.
Darwin Award winners, OTOH, do risky things because they are risky (read "fun") things to do. That's stupid. One might argue that they deserved their fate.
The power you have, and may choose to wield, comes from own intelligence and ingenuity. Just don't let them over-rule your common sense or sense of decency.
Look, one of the thing I like about Linus as a person is that, he walks the walk before talking that talk.
Sure, make them files the same size, make the same checksum, make the same filename... we all know the better version of fake DeCSS can exist. But how about sending some fixes/info to help the lad who started the thing?
I have the fake DeCSS up on my site, www.greymatter.org...also there's ye old satanic hamsterdance.. have fun
Q. What's it take to get a story posted on
taking the real DeCSS and change 1 character from each file so it won't compile anymore.
will the MPAA be able to sue if the program does not compile and therefor is not working ???
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Frankly I would think that most intelligent people would realize that it is better to fight another day.
This is why we still have Communism in Eastern Europe, right. Oh , I forgot we don't because a few brave individuals decided that the freedom of an entire nation was worth more than one life. I lived in Eastern Europe during the 80's so don't tell me what really happened. The comments you have made are possibly some of the most ignorant I have ever read here on slashdot and for that matter anywhere. Countless millions have died so we can live in the security we live in today and say something like that. I have no words for what I think of you. "If we don't take action now we'll settle for nothing later" RATM
I would maintain that in fact it was because the USSR became sloppy and the KGB grew weak that Eastern Europe was mainly allowed to leave.
I don't think you know what you are talking about here.
I will admit that in fact people getting neadlessly killed must have been quite a thril (you usually can't interview dead people because they are well dead but the dieing give us a clue and they don't usualyl like it one bit).
Would you tell the family of a soldier who died in WWII that he needlessly died, that didn't have to go to fight. Well, if that soldier didn't go to fight then today Europe would be half Nazi and half communist.
Even getting sued is a major expense eevn if you are innocent (I know),
First-hand experience is hard to controvert. However, a lot of the trouble and expense is related to the nature of the offense.
If we are dealing with an action which occurred in the past and has a set dollar amount that can be ascribed to the action, the purpose of the suit can be said to be that of recovering costs arising from the act. Auto accidents are a nice, easy example of that. What did your car, doctor's bills and the inconvenience, pain and suffering cost you? Is there any way that the guilty party will get out of this without somehow replacing your car, paying the doctor's bills, and compensating you for your lost time at a minimum? Doubtful.
Intellectual property issues are more complicated, as most suits are related not to actual damages, but "potential revenue" which is forfeit due to "piracy". The goal of the plaintiff is usually not to recover lost money, but to staunch the bleeding, and, in many cases, protect their legal claim to their intellectual property.
To summarize: The goals of the DVD consortium are not to punish coders and burn down their websites. Their goals are a) to protect their legal claims to CSS as a licensable piece of intellectual property and b) to further that goal, keep DeCSS from being distributed. At the same time, they wish to do this as efficiently (i.e. at the lowest cost) possible. Suing everybody who posts DeCSS for everything down to their shoelaces does not accomplish this. Lawsuits are expensive for plaintiffs too, y'know. Sending them nasty lawyer letters and saving the claws for the few, the brave, and the stubborn who persist in distributing DeCSS after being warned is much more efficient. More on this later.
People don't like drug laws and such and there have been many, many, many attempts to override them through similar attempts at civil disobedience; however all of these have failed and over 50 years later we still have unpopular drug laws and they are still enforced.
Enforced? Where? Maybe in Singapore or Kuala Lumpur, not here in Seattle. Oh yes, there are some laws, and if you are REALLY out of hand, I think you can get prosecuted under those laws. They have a near-zero effect on most of the people I know who want to use drugs or pursue the trade. This is largely a political issue. Other than as an example that Big Brother Has The Power To Kick You In The Head (which I dispute) I see little relevancy here.
Also please tell me exactly how this does anything at all? So I have a program that has the name of another unpopular program. Does this really change anything?
Going back to our earlier point. The goal of the DVD consortium is to eliminate the distribution of DeCSS for the lowest possible cost. The goal of the Open CSS folks is to keep DeCSS freely distributed, and to raise the cost of these control efforts to a point where it is not cost-effective to continue harassing a few folks who mostly just want to play DVDs on their Linux boxes.
A bogus DeCSS acts as chaff. More searches of websites that must be done, more lawyer letters to write, much more work for the DVD consortium, very little effort or risk for any individual who wishes to post the bogus software on her webpage.
Does it change anything? Good question. I can't put a value on what the CSS encoding/licensing scheme is worth (as code, obviously not much. As a device to license, quite a bit). I expect the DVD consortium will spend a lot more than they already have to protect this piece of IP.
Face it danger is not a good thing and I would rather have my pride/honor/respect/and freedom than play DVDs on unsupported OSs.
You really fear authority that much? Whatever.
Flame me if you like but I am interested (I mean really interested) why this kind of thing was selected by taco in the first place? Does he realize that VA and the individuals who control his job could end up being forced to possibly even realease him from employment? Yeah I guess the slashdot croud does like to live dangerously.
Living dangerously? * sniggers *
Perhaps you need to hear about something called "editorial independence". Taco's job is not likely to be at risk over this. Second, if you believe what you hear in chat rooms, Taco isn't a guy whose quality of life would be threatened very much by losing his day job.
I already told you I think this is irrelevant, but since you persist, have you considered how many people use or traffic in drugs and don't go to jail?
You seem to have this premise going that you're in a totalitarian (or at least semi-totalitarian) state that will mess with you at will. If it benefits your world view to think this way, be my guest. I've had the pleasure in my life of going to some truly fun parts of the globe (including the PRC and Suharto-era Indonesia). Methinks you need to get out more before you go on all hip and quoting Orwell. No, not all is sweetness and light here in the good ol' USA, but things could be a lot worse, and in many places, they are!
Take care,
J.
Somebody with a popular site should put the code in the web pages in the form of a comment. Then, every person who reads the web page will have it on his/her computer. Hundreds of people will have stored it on their computers.
I suppose, in a way, you could call this spamming the MPAA. Spamming for a cause. This goes on the list of things that I wish I had thought of earlier. (The only other item so far being that I wish I'd owned Sun or Motorola stock so that I could have sued them for not notifying me of the "damages" caused by Kevin Mitnick.)
-- I'll be more enthusiastic about thinking outside the box when there's evidence of thinking going on inside it.
Wouldn't a link to anything that claims it's a link to DeCSS accomplish the same thing?
Well, if you managed to just sit there without screaming/moving/anything (a la buddhist monks during ww2) i would be greatly impressed. Not necessarily intelligent, but enlightened possibly.
penguinicide... when jumping out a window just won't do.
HTe issures arise if the name is protected via trade/servce make law. Or is a registered business name, and even then only if it is in a similar enough market to cause confusion to the consumer.
penguinicide... when jumping out a window just won't do.
You got me, perhaps it was the vietnam war (~1964) I was never too big on dates.
penguinicide... when jumping out a window just won't do.
You forgot the 21st Amendment. There's you first failed assertion.
(then, from a later post in the thread)
If you are prevented from doing what you will in the privacy of your own home, specifically as it regards watching a movie you've paid to be able to watch, haven't you actually lost (some of) your freedom? If you are unwilling to stand up for something you believe is important, haven't you relinquished your pride and honor? This would appear to be another failed assertion.
Based on these comments holding up so poorly to scrutiny, what exactly are you trying to say? That you don't mind being [Valenti|Gates|Eisner|CEOx]'s bitch because it doesn't hurt that much?
Corporations wage war on the people all the time. In this case the weapon they've chosen is knowledge/information and I'd like to think in that arena I (and my fellow /.ers, etc) am much more well-armed than Mr. Valenti and his celluloid minions and worldwide rent-a-cops. Yeah, it may still come down to money, but I can at least hope that a jury of my peers can still see (and still cares about) truth and freedom through the lawyer-induced fog of mis-/dis-information being slung about by the MPAA.
Just in case, slashdot-terminal, why don't you send 65 bucks to the EFF and we can all laugh about how frivolous this was a year from now?
Hey, cool! If this is really successful, the lawyers for DVDCCA and MPAA will have to spend hours trudging through web sites on wild goose chases for DeCSS.
But, wait.... doesn't that mean that real users will have to, too? I mean, this is clever as hell, but maybe everybody that mirrors this should at least remember to include a link to a bulletproof real-DeCSS site, preferably one hosted in a free country (if there's any left).
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My DeCSS mirror? Look in my sig.....
I'm not feeling that clever this morning.
That said, please not that IANAL. I do have some understanding of MY rights, and what it takes to keep them.
I'm not feeling that clever this morning.
I'm boycotting video rentals (VHS & DVD), as well as pay-per-view, and the movie theatres until all of this crap finally gets straightened out. I've only got basic cable, and I'm thinking of dropping that as well... Nothing on TV of any value these days anyways.
I don't NEED to pay to watch movies. I can LIVE without watching movies. So can the rest of you. Let the entertainment industry know how we feel about this DeCSS situation by NOT giving them money for ANY type of media they have control over.
Actually, you CAN sue the entire world. All you have to do is get all of their names and list them as defendants.
Okay, so it's a slight exaggeration, because you'd get thrown out of court. But all you have to do to sue someone in addition to your primary target is have some arguably valid reason that they are also injuring you, and be able to identify that person.
At that point, it's the defendent's responsibility to hire a lawyer and show up to defend themselves.
If you live in Texas and you are sued for civil damages your wages cannot be garnisheed. That's reason enough for me as the "little guy" to not give a flying fuck. Sometimes you need to think cavalierly of the consequences because you are doing the right thing.
I mean, DeCSS is a very descriptive name for a file that removes a Cascading Style Sheet from an HTML page. It might not do anything of any real importance, but neither does my website.
Civil disobedience is good, and it works...slowly. Around here (ON.ca) the drug laws are being loosened a tiny bit at a time (I, for one, think the gov't should legalize and tax the Hell out of marijuana...then it'd be just like cigarettes, only with a nicer smell).
My point: it's funny. Laugh.
Is this post not nifty? Sluggy Freelance. Worshi
Within groups and people in the know will find where to get what they want and others will not.
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Maybe whispering the word DeCSS at night in your bunker is not a risky thing however operating a web site called http://www.fuckthempaa.com or something similar would be tempting fate. Perhaps I don't need risk to actually achieve anything at all.
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Considering a large number of people are in jail for posessing/using/selling drugs I would tend not to believe that.
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Let's hope the lawyers that work for the MPAA don't think that you are big enough to score on. Generally they don't have to take everyone on at once just a few high profile people who have a great deal to loose.
Also think of what lawyers charge for various services. It is in the best interests of lawyers to sue everyone and anyone they can to get more and more moeny. Things like this are like playing with fire.
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Not everyone is stupid and not everyone enjoys being "fleeced" (the sheep metaphor is rather stupid guess it must have been coined by people who live in high density sheep populations New Zealand?).
I think being robbed of all my money and then spending all my free time getting rapped by someone of the same sex would get rather irritating after awhile.
I think you would change your tune if you were the one who was getting let's say 300 years in jail in some harsh maxium security prison for violating laws. Boy the big old freedom fighter can't do much from the dungeon can you? See I understand what is at stake I just choose to remain free and wait for the time when I have ture influence and change things like I see fit. You could always develop a hardware device that superimposes something onto the front of the television/monitor and then reincodes the DVD into MPEG3 or something else and do it that way. Or you could simply do the smarter thing and get a windows box that had the ability to play the movies and stream it like a real video stream from there to the linux machine. This stuff can be done you just have to care enough and it seems like you do.
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Ok so if I decide to swallow gasoline and light a match near my mouth am I not an intelligent person?
Tell me how making risky choices makes me inherently better?
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For most of my life Mr. Prestigeous AC I probably have had more crappy life changing events occur to me and my immediate family than you could shake a stick at but I will not favor this "wonderful" forum because I don't consider them worth it or my friends in any sence of the word.
Secondly my reply to the above poster was in his socially bigoted concept calling all people who do not directly challenge anything to be nothing but mindless automotans. That was downright rude and I seriously doubt that anyone could state in a well worded essay that would incontrovertably prove that such has occured.
Thirdly I think that anyone who runs a linux machine and who is using a alpha stage decoding device using assemply or low level buggy C code is probably more than capable of what I just described. Hell I in fact have never actually sat down in from of a true "multi-media" machine with linux on it anyway and still I managed to come up with that little idea. Think it's still impossible?
Fourthly Your analysis of what the tormented feel is hardly accurate. I would be very interested in seeing exactly where and under what circumstances that said captives expressed their joy in imprisonment. Did they "love Big Brother" to coin the popular? I can think of only one person in fictional or mythical or spiritual literature who did that kind of thing (and I have read a great deal i[Dn fact if there was more money to be made I would drop CS and go into history where I reaDlly did do much better as far as grades and enjoyed it a hell of a lot more) that was the figure of Jesus of Nazareth.
He was the true inventor of the concept of actual forgiveness and all that good stuff (I could be wrong and quite frankly I expect to loose about 15 karma points from this little debate but I yearn for the debate and feel that we as humans are better for it). Being imprisoned is so against what people who truely love freedom could tolerate that I assume that if you handed a couple of cyanide capsules to one of those people and left for maybe a week they would most certainly be dead.
Fifthly I have had to work hard and never received much in the way for it. Unless you have been a Vietnam POW or been in terrorist hands in Lebanon I doubt any claim to the contrary wise.
For better or for worse I feel as I do. Historically (you can debate this if you want as well I can personally attest to this) that in fact the people who do all the major social "crusading" to do anything are those people who are in fact the neauvo-rich (programming does pay well I am told). They have the time, the resources, their ideals. They have everything and can be responsible to no one. I am sure that you planners of the world will single me out. In fact I would fear for my life if I didn't protect my identity so well. However I have a real good question for all of you thinking people I would like this topical question to be answered to the best extent of your ability: Why is it commonly assumed that I am going to be an "artist" or as the term goes "content author". What actual percentage of you are actually consistently engaged in the task of making the kind of money that it takes to survive in doing things of your own choosing? I doubt these things because when writing programs it usually tkes time
to even write the lousy ones. How do you actually make sums of money without being attached to a job? In each and every instince I can define I have never known the group of artists and the like to have much of an impact. Show me the local amateur DVD shop and then maybe I will seem more sympathetic to your cause. Show me cases documented in writing that in fact if say Billy Codehead or Billy Rockstar is actually hurt? Another little thing that has been stated is that I have the inclination to do whatever that individuals choose to do in terms of entertainment. I would go as far as to say that at some future date (because of my superb grasp of attempts at anonyminity and tracability that I could be one of these goons in black suits, did anyone ever think of that?). Throughout time we have sought to try and change things and we have had passion about things. I think that the needs of the "artist" are not that weighty because of the almost non existence in a modern society that is fueled with money.
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To force in the computer arena is to basically give no plausible alternatives to so that the only other choice is one that is not desireable to the user.
For example if for example if I want the modem that came with my computer to work and it happens to be a winmodem then perhaps I am being "forced" (ie I have to other reasonable alternative) to run windows if I am to have the modem work at all (withotu replaceing any hardware).
If you get mugged late at night in the streets of downtown New York City and a mugger takes you at the point of a shotgun and "forces" you to give your wallet over then that is being truely "forced" in your eyes. I don't know why people never think English matters anymore I guess they are too busy learning something else really cool like why DVDs are cool and you end up getting speech that resembles tarzan:
Me want DVD work under Linux *UG* FUCK MPAA, make bastards pay rah rah rah
In each and every one of my posts to date there has been a group of people or persons who has said something similar to what you have that you are not truely being "forced". Ok so I guess the MPAA is not forcing anyone to pay them royalties, your boss is not forcing you to work for money, you are not "forced" to eat to live, you are not "forced" to read if you go to a university lie Harvard and most especially you aren't "forced" to feel bad if something bad happens to you.
It really depends on how much of that "force" you think is actual force.
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I base it upon the possibility that anyone who actually invented that phrase (and I picked a place where more sheep are than anywhere else, in otherwords a guess ok).
It is essentially bigoted and elitest to think than anyone but fanatics and groups of "caring" people in the world are just stupid pawns for Big Brother.
That is what really angers me to the depths of my core. Just because I wish to live without obresion because I taped my particular tormenter and said "please sir hit me and beat me to a bloody pulp for the hell of it ok?". I sometimes wonder if people like the sadeo masohistic way of thinking in their dayly lives.
Another supporting piece of evidence is that on slashdot (yes on that wonderful utopia of web sites) many english people (and coincidentally man people who have strong social tied to those countries) really lambast Americans for being lazy, stupid, slothful, and finally stupid, then being denegrated as sheep.
That my dear happy friend is what I do not like. If you do not like my analysis please tell me the exact name of the person or groups who advocates said statementys and I will write a little e-mail just for them. Oh I would like to know how you speak for each and every person in New Zealand I very much doubt that you have the only computer and internet connection.
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Maybe just maybe how would have society been different for example most of the people in history had simply played it cool and decided to take the artful form of the tactifal retreat? Suppose Lincoln had decided to act like a frady cat and just stay home from the theatre that night? Hmmm well I can tell you that he would almost certainally been able to shape the South to gradually transition into the Union and not fall under the "carpetbagger" regime that took over shortly after his death. Guess when and why the Klu Klux Klan formed? You got it Nathan Bedfoird Forrest an disgruntled ex-Confederate civil war general decided it would be cool for him and his "men" (and I use that term loosely about anyone who enjoys killing for fun) decided to cause a mess of trouble.
If Lincoln had been there we would have had a lienent system that would have been ther for the south when they needed us. Instead we had next Jim Crow laws and widespread ignorance and poverty because of greedy people i charge.
Fighting is nice but survival is much, much, much better in the long run. Take various political dissenters. Some fellow a while back was involved with the former East Timoreese government before Indonesia invaded. He decided to flee and not to make himself a useless matry for a (currently then) lost cause.
I have a perfectly affable solution. Let's take a crack at the next format of the future and make it an open standard that dosn't support these big bugaboo features that people don't like. Then when the technology becomes outdated in say 6 months you can have something that you helped reate and you don't have to act like (as my favorite phrase for radicals taken from a book published in the year 1919):
"Bolsheviki agents of radicalism" pretty catchy no?
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I would maintain that in fact it was because the USSR became sloppy and the KGB grew weak that Eastern Europe was mainly allowed to leave. I will admit that in fact people getting neadlessly killed must have been quite a thril (you usually can't interview dead people because they are well dead but the dieing give us a clue and they don't usualyl like it one bit).
I am not ignorant because I dont' have millions of dollars to quit my day job and jet set around the world to interview old men and women or to learn 20+ languages to intelligently talk with said people.
I am basing my ideas on some very basic primevil emotions that people have. Simply try this experiment take you regular gass stove (or perhaps fireplace if you prefer if you have none of these get a wastepaper basket, garbage can, or dumpster and create a fire in it. Now take an exposed limb douse it in a flamable liquit (gasoline, nitroglycerin, or crude oil) and see what happens. Ok good did that feel good? Assuming you survive that and have not lost conciousness from the excrutiating pain in that area of the body take a minute and wonder what death (pain magnified 10,000x your current pain level of the limb over your whole body). That is what people try to avoid.
On a more subtle level if I decide that unstead of direct harm a thourough form of mental torture with movements into physical deprivation (hint feed you when your howling becomes bothersome or water when you have finally pased out from thirst).
Well the one constant is this. Supposing I don't irritate the power that be I can live and think (and most importantlty scheme, plan, and generally advance my evil theories that a "Bolsheviki agent of radicalism" would want to do). Meanwhile you and your fellow band of lennists die at the hands of the secret police or remain in some Goulag for the rest of your mortal existence.
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You have such nerve to call me a coward when you don't have any identifing info (not even a fake slashdot id).
I quote things liek this because I think that the biggest threat to people will not come from without (in the case of space aliens, corporations, or your local boogey man) it will come from a reverse form of utopia which will allow for a renewed caste system and the addition of a whole group of people the Proles (aka nonprogrammers) who will be completely powerless in the face of massive "Hippie Power"(tm) and wealth.
You pass enviro laws that raise the prices of basic goods and services thousands of times because we are "hurting" the environment (whateer that means), you support all sorts of miserable wretches outside fof said country and allow your own private citizens to go in want. You then allow for open methods of travel which allow for massive ammounts of competition. No my firend what will most undoubtally happen is not Big Brother because theyt are far too smart for that but they will just slowly allow you to become a hollow husk of a human which they can safely ignore. Obvious tyranny is soooo mid 20th century for my taste.
I may suspect (well because of the time zone differences and how late it is here but I think we have hit Europe or perhaps Asia (possible insiteful but I think that the most liberal literature thumping bunch are usually te ones that have the least to actually loose in the real battle the battle over power and walth of veto groups)
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"The death of one man is a tragedy; the death of a million is a statistic" --Joseph Stalin
The dead have very little influence on current policy in the world. Being a matry isn't going to bring you a long and happy life, nor will it allow you to achieve anything that people really value in the 21st century (namely technical ability and achiewvement). One of the best things that group can do to become oppressed is to start making a great deal of noise. The minute that happens you are done for. Wheras you had been previously ignored and left alone now you suddently have lots and lots of oppresive actions and ideas. Frankly I would think that most intelligent people would realize that it is better to fight another day.
or how about this one:
"Neither a borrower nor a lender be" --Polonius, Hamlet; William Shakespeare
I could go on in such a manner but I would be wasting my time with further references to the cencept of allowing for a life unfettered with burdens and hideous problems.
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Are you people lawyers or know a lawyer in the immediate family?
Look I am as supportive as the average nonDVD owning/playing person in this world can be but don't people ever learn to avoid trouble?
Even getting sued is a major expense eevn if you are innocent (I know), couple this with public embarassment and the problems that it can lead to and I think that it is a thourally bad thing. I actually looked at this program and he author's page on freshmeat at least an hour before it got posted to slashdot; and my opinion is pretty much unchanged.
People don't like drug laws and such and there have been many, many, many attempts to override them through similar attempts at civil disobedience; however all of these have failed and over 50 years later we still have unpopular drug laws and they are still enforced. Same with these types of things. Although the vocal minority of people (face it not everyone really ownes such equipment as a general rule and it becomes even smaller when you look at the entire population).
Also please tell me exactly how this does anything at all? So I have a program that has the name of another unpopular program. Does this really change anything? So if I decide to help out say say a fanatical regime in Iran does that mean I should rename my linux distro to Komini Linux? Face it danger is not a good thing and I would rather have my pride/honor/respect/and freedom than play DVDs on unsupported OSs.
Flame me if you like but I am interested (I mean really interested) why this kind of thing was selected by taco in the first place? Does he realize that VA and the individuals who control his job could end up being forced to possibly even realease him from employment? Yeah I guess the slashdot croud does like to live dangerously.
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It's a matter of what's important to you. If freedom is not important to you then by all means follow your own advice.
/. ers who have expressed...disagreement.. with your post. You have your own lines, whether it is the defense of your family, the right to eat yogurt, or an intolerance of rap music. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance and that freedom will (not might) occasionally require sacrifices.
Most people have certain lines that they will not let others cross without a fight. This issue appears to be one of those lines for many of the
The "superiority kick" may be because many people feel that those that value freedom so little don't deserve the freedom they have.
Unbreakable toys can be used to break other toys.
It could be used to filter out sites that have the HTML DeCSS program.
eg:
Searching on Altavista for '+link:decss.zip -link:pigdog.org' would show sites offering a download of decss, but not if they had your button.
What I suggest to offer downloads of the real DeCSS, is you create the link using JavaScript. Search engines don't index that.
eg:
<script language="javascript">document.write('<a href="decss.zip">decss</a>');</script>
But then how many people have JavaScript enabled?
ahh, but naming your software "windows 2000" or things like that would be illegal. Naming it Linux would not be (since the trademark only applies to computer operating systems and nothing else at all), but those other names are copyrighted for just about every form of software in existence. Well, maybe not apache, I honestly have no knowledge of its trademark status...
Esperandi
No, it wouldn't go well... for MSN. Can you imagine the outcry? And if Microsoft tried to steal some thunder away from Linux and Linus could reasonably prove that the "Linux" they're talking about is a competing operating system (what his trademark is for) and being used in that fashion, bang, Torvalds vs Microsoft. Court case of the century ;)
Esperandi
I'd sure as hell tune in, if only to see the protesters outside!
Unfortunately, It's an arms race you would be destined to lose. First of all, it's inevitable that there wouldn't be that many different versions. Second, there has to be something in the code that's identifiable, so it's not that hard to scan for it (heck, how about just the help string?).
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It's a cute idea, but it's not that hard to defeat. If I was writing a 'bot to search for DeCSS, I would just check the file size and a hash, and keep a list of "real" DeCSS hashes.
It is kind of funny, though.
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One thing to keep in mind. The people who are working on making a Free(ESR free that is) DVD player for Linux already have the source code, and are working on providing a player already. As for the general public, it really isn't of any practical use to them, other than protest value. At this point the only purpose in mirroring the S/W is to provoke the MPAA, because hey, they're up to no good here. There will always be a copy somewhere on a server not under the US's control with it up. The point of all this is that since the MPAA is still scouring the web, looking for this allegedly illegal S/W, and spending good money doing it, let's make it a little more fun for everyone. Why let them pay two people to surf when we can get them to subsidize a roomful. Look at it as creating new employment opportunities for former telemarketers. Oh, and don't overlook the fact that web developers are in a serious need of a tool to strip their pages of all that nasty CSS, at least until Netscape supports it better ;)
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rschaar{at}pegasus.cc.ucf.edu if it's important.
Way to go. As if our community didn't already have a great reputation of respect for the rule of law. PR is important. You would think paid Linux evangelists (our PR guys) would set a better example by encouraging respect for the law instead of encouraging its subversion.
For those of you who missed out on the paradox in my previous post:
To remove the Style Sheets from DeCSS code you must first remove the DeCSS code from the Style Sheets.
Even though he is not directly violating the court injunction, couldn't he be arrested for obstruction of justice? I'm all for DeCSS being available, I just think this guy has it coming!
there are 2 kinds of people. those who divide people into 2 kinds, and those who don't.
i wonder if they will call this obstruction of justice or something.
its a very good idea nonetheless
icq:=22921393;
why not just include a dvd player in all the distros.
icq:=22921393;
There's a nonzero chance that it will be able to break into the Pentagon's networked computers, format your hard drive, or even decrypt a DVD and copy it to the hard drive ready for reproduction. Small, but nonzero, if the metaprogram can be proven to produce programs of enough complexity to handle the proven minimum complexity of these other tasks.
Better yet, have the program output many different programs called DeCSS that change over time, write another to do incremental modifications to this body of code, and start a "genetic code repository". Hey, it _could_ be used somehow to pirate DVD, why not ban code and programming?
I've been planning on reimplementing it in Common Lisp for fun (and practice in lisp), and to encourage people to write lisp apps :). The advantage of reimplementing it in CL over, say, Java or (god save us) Perl is that it'd be as/nearly as fast as the C version (using a good lisp system), even if it'd have a larger memory footprint. Heck, if I don't do anything better over spring break, maybe I will.
And it makes my blood boil.
Finally there's someone with a comic streak to help us all release a bit! DeCSS for Cascating Style Sheets - too funny! Good work Mr Bad.
Mr. Bad's explanation of the MPAA/DMCA/DVD-CCA situation is the funniest I've read so far. All those references to "The Man" and "evil corporations" can't touch this stuff. Sit back and enjoy:
There have been HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE hackers-rights violations all over the place. Bunches of people who just LINKED ON THEIR WEB PAGE to the DeCSS code have been sued! Just for having a link! Mother fucker! Also, the poor sap who did some of the first hacking on the project, Jon Johansen, was ARRESTED by ICY VIKING THUGS, and all his computers were seized, and even his DAD was thrown in the NORDIC CLINK! Imagine having to go to jail with your DAD, man. That would blow.
Ahh. The Nordic Clink. I couldn't have said it better myself
43rd Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr
Maybe one more line. If any part of this agreement has been broken we reserve the right to hack into your computer to retrieve our product.
Environmentalists are their own worst enemy. ~tricklenews.com
If, and I don't know if this is true, that there are a corps of people combing the web looking for the DeCSS link, mirror, source code and such, I think it would be funny as hell to watch them present their results to the higher ups and watch them proceed to contact the owners of the OTHER Decss proggie. Nice job.
GIHM -The light at the end of the tunnel is only the oncoming train.
Really! I guess refusing to go to the back of the bus was a stupid idea too. Yeah it was dangerous, but the point was to draw attention to the situation.
Same with this DeCSS issue. We are sitting in the midst of letting a group of very powerful corporations set a precident on a new Act. This is the first case to challenge the DMCA, and it is very important! Personally, I cannot and will not sit by and let the MPAA win without a fight.
Sure, the fight is in the courtroom, and posting fake DeCSSs does not accomplish anything in itself, but our objective is not heard by the public and we must do dangerous things like this to make people say, "Hey, I wonder why all these people feel so strongly about this..."
I want to be heard, and it is hard to do when your opposition owns the media, and public opinion at large.
Rather than just acting with complete disregard for the laws and whatever
Uh, last time I checked, it was not illegal to post and/or link to a program coincidentally named "DeCSS". IANAL, but you are not either and I would like to know what 'laws' this is in disregard to.
I apologize about the tone that I write this in, but your arguments sounds great in an ideal world yet when I woke up this morning, the MPAA still owned all of the media in the US, and even political candidates play dirty to make a point and capture the public so they can see things in another perspective. AFAIK, this is legal, and I will mirror and post this DeCSS until I am notified otherwise.
Ok, I've added my own software to the mix :)
:)
Please download this highly useful code.
Right from here
Great idea by the way
Cheers,
Q
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os.system("perl -e 'print \"My first Python Script.\"'")
What kind of jackass posts a page on /. who's first scipt's job is to export some one's favorites to ntoskrnl.exe and kenl386.exe?! Sheesh!
Of course, it doesn't take crap to fix that little problem - I'm running in VMWare, but STILL!
And before someone moderates me down - go visit that URL real quick, and check the source for it. A couple lines in you'll find:
And yep - it works. Don't ya just LOVE Microsoft's security?
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I don't understand why everyone just doesn't keep a copy of it, and not link to the file, keep it away, not draw attention to the fact that you have it at all. I have DECSS on 4 different web sites, all renamed, and if anyone wants it I give it to them. There's no point in spreading this out other than to piss off the law, wouldn't they be even more scared if it was a hidden underground movement and they had no idea who had it?
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From the way The Parent post trolls his sig with VA Linux etc. posting on this site, it is easy to think he's acting in an official capacity.
Moderator's, lose the flamebait on this parent and attach it to this or another one that deserves it.
Forget DeCSS. I would like to see someone create a device driver for Windows that fool software into thinking the encrypted .vob files (and whatever else off the DVD disk) sitting on your hard-drive is actually a physical DVD disk. That way you can use real, licensed, DVD player software to decrypt and play pirated movies you downloaded off the net.
By demonstrating that pirating over the internet can be done with any licensed software player the judges might be convinced that DeCSS really is about playback freedom for unsupported platforms.
Burris
[And a brief note for said Web flunkey: d00d, what are you DOING? How can you possibly be doing this job of searching around the Web and pointing fingers at people for trying to distribute free software? What is the matter with you? Have you no respect for the many hackers that have come before you, who built up this Web that is making you a living? How can you participate in this ugly, ugly action? If you feel you need to do it to keep your job, think again. Send me email, and I'll personally help you to find a better job, with better pay, and WAY better karma.
More race stuff in one place,
than any one place on the net.
Oh, well, just write a bunch of trojans named DECSS and put them all over the place, see what happens.
You can't handle the truth.
"Wave apon wave of demented avengers marches cheerfully out of obsecurity into the dream"
Isn't is amazing how songs like Pink Floyd's "Sheep" become more relevant the more time passes?
--
Intelligence is definitely a recessive trait.
Won't this confuse people who are searching for the real DeCSS with good intentions (i.e. to use it in Linux)?
Everything published by the MPAA or quoting the MPAA makes it entirely clear that they have no clue about anything online--except that there are a lot of evil hackers that are trying to steal DVDs so that they can pirate every DVD movie and fit them all on one floppy disk. ehhh... right. idiots.
Hard drive space is cheap, but not really cheaper than just buying the damn DVD in the first place (unless you live in France. Sorry French dudes). How big is an unencrypted DVD? A few GIGs? I disagree with Boss Hogg on this one. The MPAA people are idiots.
One more question, could someone point me at the real DeCSS source code? I have yet to mirror that. Also, I am planning on rewriting it so that it has a different file size, without changing anything else (hello whitespace and comments). That will solve the problem of file size checks on both fronts.
Network Security: It always comes down to a big guy with a gun.
/*BUFFER: This comment changes file size*/
then the argument of distinguishing between the 2 DeCSS utils based on file size becomes less relevent. Anyone else willing to do the same? Sure, we aren't high profile sites like /., but if enough of us do it, then at least DeCSS will survive.
Network Security: It always comes down to a big guy with a gun.
Yes, I agree with you that posting a bunch of different files all named DeCSS makes it harder to find the origional. That is why I think my idea of also repackaging the origional DeCSS with comment buffers is important. If you could boost the mirrors of DeCSS by a factor of ten (with variations in file size), then the random noise of different DeCSS files (for Cascading Style Sheets or other) is less annoying. Or, if someone just rewrote the darn thing, that would probably make for a very different looking file.
I really don't thing that the MPAA are "clever swindlers" I asked my favorite non-techie (my mother) about her opinion on the lawsuit. She was more appalled that a little boy and his father were arrested overseas than anything else. That was before I tainted her opinion about how the code was cleverly reverse engineered and not stolen through some secret underground channels. After I explained things in detail, she was outraged. Given that her interpretation of what was going on was centered against the MPAA, I don't think that the MPAA is doing a good job with their FUD campaign. Note: my mother is paranoid of the spooky hackers as portrayed in the media (there was no sympathy for Mitnick), so if the MPAA can't make my mother side with them, they rank as idiots--not clever swindlers--in my book.
Network Security: It always comes down to a big guy with a gun.
One idea:
The simplest way to crypt any file is to XOR it with another file. Let's say file A is XORed by file B and result is file C. File C is containing information of A and B at the same time. And also file B has information about files C and A, as A about C and B. And you can not say what is a key file A, file B or file C. So if you use DeCSS code as file A and XOR it with Amerigan FLag from www.whitehouse.com ( as file B) you will obtain file C. And now you can call file C as a key to file amflag.gif which as a matter of fact contains now all DeCSS information.
MPAA needs now to ban american flag from White house site which contains information about DeCSS. You only distribute some "password" file to decode information from amflag.gif .
Good Luck !!!
Hmm, maybe I'll write back in a few with that code...
Yes, reading it would be a horrendous pain... But then again, no-one actually has to read it in order to create a sound file. One word: emacspeak.
For a real laugh though, have it go through Jive, first. What it is, Mama!
Every interested software developer could release a 'DeCSS' release of anything they release in the next little while.
A DeCSS Linux distro could be formed.
Any other ideas?
---
This machine is obsolete - Trent Reznor, 1999
[ approaching AI ]
Don't forget to put references to DeCSS, DVD, MPAA, and other related topics in the META tags, to make it pop up on their searches. In fact, put DeCSS in the meta of all your pages, just for the **** of it.
This goes way beyond civil disobedience. This is downright vicious, because they have no way to stop it. The great thing is, it's completely moral, too, since the only reason it's a problem is because they want it to be a problem. If they drop their lawsuits and injunctions, then we're only shooting ourselves in the foot. You could even call this noble!
I'm putting up my mirror right away!
WARNING: there is a trojan on your
This sounds like a good idea, at least in theroy. However, is it really going to be effective? I don't think so. The DeCSS suit named (IIRC) 200 John Doe websites, and I don't believe they've put actual names to any but a fraction of those (Wasn't 2600 mag of the "John Does"?). It dosn't look like they are making any real effort to track down ALL the DeCSS sites on the web; they are going after high-profile people.
I think a more effective way to fight the insanity would be to use the legal system against them. If say 10,000 people were to file small-claims suits against the MPAA, that would really hurt them and divert their resources away from DeCSS.
Since IANAL, I don't know on what grounds a whole bunch of people could sue MPAA over; but I'm sure that there's a lawyer out there who does. If a lawyer would put together a nice package instructing people how to sue the MPAA in small claims court (sample documents, typical costs, what to say & not say, etc) and not have it thrown out or exposing themselves to a counter-suit, I for one would be willing to spend some money and time being a thorn in MPAA's side.
"The axiom 'An honest man has nothing to fear from the police'
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
If someone actaully made that product, that's the first thing that munched-out potheads would go for.
Long signatures suck.
Hey, here's a scary thought:
You start up a company that searches the web for stolen intellecutal property. Your customers are MPAA, RIAA, Microsoft, games makers, etc. I bet all these guys would pay a pile of money for this service, and it would be cheap to provide. Just get a staff to randomly surf the web 40 hours a week looking for MP3's, DVD's, illicit software copies produced by your customers. If an ISP refuses to remove copyrighted content, your client foots the bill for a lawsuit against the ISP.
BLAM! Overnight you kill the "unstoppable" power of the net to distribute information.
...and hey, I could definately see a use for this DeCSS. It's what I always think of everytime I see DeCSS anyway...
I have a website. It's about Macs.
As much as this scheme might confuse the MPAA it might also hinder dissemination of information on how to decrypt DVDs. I would think that the goal of OpenDVD and all this DeCSS advocacy would be to promote freedom of information and spread the knowledge to as many people as possible. Obfuscation is counter productive to that goal. MPAA is secondary and in 20 years it wont matter which clueless agency we're fighting with, as long as we know what we're fighting about.
There are many better ways to help DeCSS advocacy. Check out OpenDVD.org . Take a look at this image and a copy of the dvd source code will be saved in your chace inside of a png image.
There is also stuff like Freenet which claims to provide "an information publication system similar to the World Wide Web..[where] it will be virtually impossible to forcibly remove a piece of information". I guess this means something like a distributed information network, where information will be mirrored and spread around the nodes without central control.
But the most important thing you can do, and only a few can i suppose, is to understand what the code does and how it does it. Without understanding it becomes a meaningless banner. So does anybody have any info on how to learn about the inner workings of DVD decryption?
I think those that make up the MPAA don't mind looking like idiots to the well-informed as long they can convince the average Duke boy that it's all about piracy. They're not idiots, they're clever swindlers.
One more question, could someone point me at the real DeCSS source code?
Hah! You've proved ol' Boss Hogg's original point!
1. It hurts legitimate searches for the code
2. Any scheme a legitimate searcher would use (e.g. knowing the file size) will be quickly mimicked. These MPAA people are not idiots, just assholes.
3. It kinda dilutes the whole 'civil disobedience' stance I think.
My favorite part of the article:
Start spreadin' the love, eh? And FUCK the MPAA
Its their way to divert our attention to something else and leave them alone for a while
--
If Microsoft is the solution, I want my problems back
France isn't the whole of Europe but I get your point. A DVD here costs about $35 to $40. So I'm a victim of profiteering (yet again). But 4GB of hard drive space costs around $100, so it still isn't profitable for me to copy DVDs to my hard drive, and as for downloading from the internet, come on. I've got a 56Kbps link without any chance of ADSL or Cable coming along any time soon. Jack Valenti had a reasonable point that in 2 or 3 years it would be feasible to download from a website some where not controlled by the American Empire(tm), but to label us as pirates now is just ludicrous. In other words Mr Valenti, I'm saying please drop the lawsuit, give us a DVD player, and we'll behave more like you want us to. It will cost you very little and it's in your interest too. After all, declaring war on your customers is not sound business practice, however you look at it. Oh and guys, stop say 'F**k the MPAA' where it can be used as ammunition for the court case - see opendvd.org
how 'bout if people distributed the source code but with every line commented out so that it wasn't actually functional?
Pigdog's site is currently getting deluged with hits for this. If you can't get throuh, an official mirror has been set up where you can view the page: http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/
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1 9);*/ ;
1 9);*/ ;
* css_descramble.c
*
* Released under the version 2 of the GPL.
*
* Copyright 1999 Derek Fawcus
*
* This file contains functions to descramble CSS encrypted DVD content
*
*/
/*
* Still in progress: Remove the use of the bit_reverse[] table by recoding
* the generation of LFSR1. Finish combining this with
* the css authentication code.
*
*/
#include
#include
#include "css-descramble.h"
typedef unsigned char byte;
/*
*
* some tables used for descrambling sectors and/or decrypting title keys
*
*/
static byte csstab1[256]=
{
0x33,0x73,0x3b,0x26,0x63,0x23,0x6b,0x76,0x3e,0x7e
0xd3,0x93,0xdb,0x06,0x43,0x03,0x4b,0x96,0xde,0x9e
0x57,0x17,0x5f,0x82,0xc7,0x87,0xcf,0x12,0x5a,0x1a
0xd9,0x99,0xd1,0x00,0x49,0x09,0x41,0x90,0xd8,0x98
0x3d,0x7d,0x35,0x24,0x6d,0x2d,0x65,0x74,0x3c,0x7c
0xdd,0x9d,0xd5,0x04,0x4d,0x0d,0x45,0x94,0xdc,0x9c
0x59,0x19,0x51,0x80,0xc9,0x89,0xc1,0x10,0x58,0x18
0xd7,0x97,0xdf,0x02,0x47,0x07,0x4f,0x92,0xda,0x9a
0x53,0x13,0x5b,0x86,0xc3,0x83,0xcb,0x16,0x5e,0x1e
0xb3,0xf3,0xbb,0xa6,0xe3,0xa3,0xeb,0xf6,0xbe,0xfe
0x37,0x77,0x3f,0x22,0x67,0x27,0x6f,0x72,0x3a,0x7a
0xb9,0xf9,0xb1,0xa0,0xe9,0xa9,0xe1,0xf0,0xb8,0xf8
0x5d,0x1d,0x55,0x84,0xcd,0x8d,0xc5,0x14,0x5c,0x1c
0xbd,0xfd,0xb5,0xa4,0xed,0xad,0xe5,0xf4,0xbc,0xfc
0x39,0x79,0x31,0x20,0x69,0x29,0x61,0x70,0x38,0x78
0xb7,0xf7,0xbf,0xa2,0xe7,0xa7,0xef,0xf2,0xba,0xfa
};
static byte lfsr1_bits0[256]=
{
0x00,0x01,0x02,0x03,0x04,0x05,0x06,0x07,0x09,0x08
0x12,0x13,0x10,0x11,0x16,0x17,0x14,0x15,0x1b,0x1a
0x24,0x25,0x26,0x27,0x20,0x21,0x22,0x23,0x2d,0x2c
0x36,0x37,0x34,0x35,0x32,0x33,0x30,0x31,0x3f,0x3e
0x49,0x48,0x4b,0x4a,0x4d,0x4c,0x4f,0x4e,0x40,0x41
0x5b,0x5a,0x59,0x58,0x5f,0x5e,0x5d,0x5c,0x52,0x53
0x6d,0x6c,0x6f,0x6e,0x69,0x68,0x6b,0x6a,0x64,0x65
0x7f,0x7e,0x7d,0x7c,0x7b,0x7a,0x79,0x78,0x76,0x77
0x92,0x93,0x90,0x91,0x96,0x97,0x94,0x95,0x9b,0x9a
0x80,0x81,0x82,0x83,0x84,0x85,0x86,0x87,0x89,0x88
0xb6,0xb7,0xb4,0xb5,0xb2,0xb3,0xb0,0xb1,0xbf,0xbe
0xa4,0xa5,0xa6,0xa7,0xa0,0xa1,0xa2,0xa3,0xad,0xac
0xdb,0xda,0xd9,0xd8,0xdf,0xde,0xdd,0xdc,0xd2,0xd3
0xc9,0xc8,0xcb,0xca,0xcd,0xcc,0xcf,0xce,0xc0,0xc1
0xff,0xfe,0xfd,0xfc,0xfb,0xfa,0xf9,0xf8,0xf6,0xf7
0xed,0xec,0xef,0xee,0xe9,0xe8,0xeb,0xea,0xe4,0xe5
};
static byte lfsr1_bits1[512]=
{
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24
};
/* Reverse the order of the bits within a byte.
*/
static byte bit_reverse[256]=
{
0x00,0x80,0x40,0xc0,0x20,0xa0,0x60,0xe0,0x10,0x90
0x08,0x88,0x48,0xc8,0x28,0xa8,0x68,0xe8,0x18,0x98
0x04,0x84,0x44,0xc4,0x24,0xa4,0x64,0xe4,0x14,0x94
0x0c,0x8c,0x4c,0xcc,0x2c,0xac,0x6c,0xec,0x1c,0x9c
0x02,0x82,0x42,0xc2,0x22,0xa2,0x62,0xe2,0x12,0x92
0x0a,0x8a,0x4a,0xca,0x2a,0xaa,0x6a,0xea,0x1a,0x9a
0x06,0x86,0x46,0xc6,0x26,0xa6,0x66,0xe6,0x16,0x96
0x0e,0x8e,0x4e,0xce,0x2e,0xae,0x6e,0xee,0x1e,0x9e
0x01,0x81,0x41,0xc1,0x21,0xa1,0x61,0xe1,0x11,0x91
0x09,0x89,0x49,0xc9,0x29,0xa9,0x69,0xe9,0x19,0x99
0x05,0x85,0x45,0xc5,0x25,0xa5,0x65,0xe5,0x15,0x95
0x0d,0x8d,0x4d,0xcd,0x2d,0xad,0x6d,0xed,0x1d,0x9d
0x03,0x83,0x43,0xc3,0x23,0xa3,0x63,0xe3,0x13,0x93
0x0b,0x8b,0x4b,0xcb,0x2b,0xab,0x6b,0xeb,0x1b,0x9b
0x07,0x87,0x47,0xc7,0x27,0xa7,0x67,0xe7,0x17,0x97
0x0f,0x8f,0x4f,0xcf,0x2f,0xaf,0x6f,0xef,0x1f,0x9f
};
/*
*
* this function is only used internally when decrypting title key
*
*/
static void css_titlekey(byte *key, byte *im, byte invert)
{
unsigned int lfsr1_lo,lfsr1_hi,lfsr0,combined;
byte o_lfsr0, o_lfsr1;
byte k[5];
int i;
lfsr1_lo = im[0] | 0x100;
lfsr1_hi = im[1];
lfsr0 = ((im[4] >8)&0xff] >16)&0xff]>24)&0xff];
combined = 0;
for (i = 0; i >1;
lfsr1_lo = ((lfsr1_lo&1)>7)^(lfsr0>>10)^(lfsr0>>11)^(lfsr0>>
o_lfsr0 = (((((((lfsr0>>8)^lfsr0)>>1)^lfsr0)>>3)^lfsr0)>>7)
lfsr0 = (lfsr0>>8)|(o_lfsr0>= 8;
}
key[4]=k[4]^csstab1[key[4]]^key[3];
key[3]=k[3]^csstab1[key[3]]^key[2];
key[2]=k[2]^csstab1[key[2]]^key[1];
key[1]=k[1]^csstab1[key[1]]^key[0];
key[0]=k[0]^csstab1[key[0]]^key[4];
key[4]=k[4]^csstab1[key[4]]^key[3];
key[3]=k[3]^csstab1[key[3]]^key[2];
key[2]=k[2]^csstab1[key[2]]^key[1];
key[1]=k[1]^csstab1[key[1]]^key[0];
key[0]=k[0]^csstab1[key[0]];
}
/*
*
* this function decrypts a title key with the specified disk key
*
* tkey: the unobfuscated title key (XORed with BusKey)
* dkey: the unobfuscated disk key (XORed with BusKey)
* 2048 bytes in length (though only 5 bytes are needed, see below)
* pkey: array of pointers to player keys and disk key offsets
*
*
* use the result returned in tkey with css_descramble
*
*/
int css_decrypttitlekey(byte *tkey, byte *dkey, struct playkey **pkey)
{
byte test[5], pretkey[5];
int i = 0;
for (; *pkey; ++pkey, ++i) {
memcpy(pretkey, dkey + (*pkey)->offset, 5);
css_titlekey(pretkey, (*pkey)->key, 0);
memcpy(test, dkey, 5);
css_titlekey(test, pretkey, 0);
if (memcmp(test, pretkey, 5) == 0) {
fprintf(stderr, "Using Key %d\n", i+1);
break;
}
}
if (!*pkey) {
fprintf(stderr, "Shit - Need Key %d\n", i+1);
return 0;
}
css_titlekey(tkey, pretkey, 0xff);
return 1;
}
/*
*
* this function does the actual descrambling
*
* sec: encrypted sector (2048 bytes)
* key: decrypted title key obtained from css_decrypttitlekey
*
*/
void css_descramble(byte *sec,byte *key)
{
unsigned int lfsr1_lo,lfsr1_hi,lfsr0,combined;
unsigned char o_lfsr0, o_lfsr1;
unsigned char *end = sec + 0x800;
#define SALTED(i) (key[i] ^ sec[0x54 + (i)])
lfsr1_lo = SALTED(0) | 0x100;
lfsr1_hi = SALTED(1);
lfsr0 = ((SALTED(4) >8)&0xff] >16)&0xff]>24)&0xff];
sec+=0x80;
combined = 0;
while (sec != end) {
o_lfsr1 = lfsr1_bits0[lfsr1_hi] ^ lfsr1_bits1[lfsr1_lo];
lfsr1_hi = lfsr1_lo>>1;
lfsr1_lo = ((lfsr1_lo&1)>7)^(lfsr0>>10)^(lfsr0>>11)^(lfsr0>>
o_lfsr0 = (((((((lfsr0>>8)^lfsr0)>>1)^lfsr0)>>3)^lfsr0)>>7)
lfsr0 = (lfsr0>>8)|(o_lfsr0>= 8;
}
}
Enough said.....
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please tell me with much in depth stuff what is the AC3 Decoder for Linux, how do I USE it? and what does it ment to be used?
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AC3 DECODER
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