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UNIX Internship Programs?
startingInUnix asks: "I went to my college career fair today looking for a summer internships. Alot of the companies there (and on the web) that have internships are mostly Microsoft camps. I'm having trouble finding any place that offers UNIX positions. Does anyone out there have a business that looks for UNIX interns?"
I got an internship in an astrophysics department where they use Unix to run simulations because they're supercomputers like it. Anywhere where computational research is done (applied math, physics, chemistry, biochemistry, or where ever else the university buys supercomputers) has a good chance of using Unix, and if they have supercomputers they can probably use coders. Brush up on your Fortran first, though.
The problem is that Microsoft jobs can usually be filled with a monkey or similary, an ape. Linux or UNIX jobs usually require a BA or BS in something, which says that you've been to a university, which means you've probably at least been somewhat exposed to UNIX. Now the problem is that I am looking to intern, I know UNIX, but I can't find anyone who wants to hire me because I don't come with papers (BA/BS) I'm in school right now though.
-AC #3842049
So does Windows. But most Slashdot readers really mean Linux when they say Unix.
With regard to UNIX, I spent time working with AIX on powerPC and with Mandrake/RedHat on x86 during the time that I have worked there. If you want to get your hands onto the serious boxen then I suggest that you find a storage group. The SSD group at Hursley (who make SSA) has a fair amount of kit lying around and makes pretty cool stuff. There's probably plenty of labs in the US that do similar stuff.
good luck
I interned for a division of Intel where I did BSD/Linux stuff.
HP in Richardson, TX (suburb of Dallas) takes a bunch of co-ops all the time (and sometimes summer interns). That site does (in addition to other stuff) HP-UX development and works on big iron machines.
Background: We design the mainframe-class Enterprise 10000 servers (hardware and software) here in San Diego. We also have regular jobs too.
If you want to work on Unix itself, rather than just using it, Compaq hires interns to work on parts of Tru64 UNIX. Feel free to mail me at bobbell@zk3.dec.com for more info.
Go2Net often has unix interns. Just yesterday we
hired one of them on full time.
Check out http://www.go2netjobs.com
We are a web company, that does a bit of everything. metacrawler is us, hypermart is us, we also own dogpile and several other sites.
Actually, that plummet at the end of June was a result of a dividend paid to shareholders: the stock in the various companies SGI was holding. That aside, SGI's price has done a fairly decent job of following the trends on the NASDAQ since March.
Move on. Nothing to see here.
Of course, probably any large high-tech company will do Unix interns.
And at the white house, they do all kinds of interns.
Man am I asking for it this time... =)
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Am I the only one that picked up on the sarcasm/attempt at humor? Or do you guys just take everything seriously?
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It's called a joke for crying out loud.
I soon realized I had to leave a smaller town and move on, if I wanted a career.
Some of my friends STILL have not left, I keep offering them jobs, but they have a damn confidence problem...
There seems to be a problem with people underestimating their value.
DAMN it people, goto DICE/Monster and post your resume!
Also, if they don't give a damn about you, why do you want to work there?
Only reason to take a job is, training, experience, or they pay you piles of money...
There is no reason you cant look for a new job, while you have one.
NOCS do the indepth troubleshooting, since they are the 24/7 support.
Admins are on call 24/7 but they only take critial problems after hours...
-Brook
For example Yahoo! runs on FreeBSD mainly, and has internships.
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Perhaps you were looking for the wrong type of job? Most of my conversations focused on server side application programming and performance tools, and when I asked, none of the companies even mentioned Microsoft as a development platform, other than to say that they did have some NT in their operations.
Just about any embedded design company has a UNIX or UNIX-like development system. Most notibly, the telecomm equipment companies. Those large phone switches, cross connects and Cellular equipment systems all run some form of embedded or non-embedded UNIX or UNIX-like operating system. It's a great place for UNIX lovers! Some of these companies include Lucent, Tellabs, Motorola, and Alcatel.
AFAIK, most internships (read: Cheap labor for companies) aren't even paid. It's supposed to be experience. On top of that, if you're even getting paid what my student workers do at my school ($8-9 an hour) that's better than what my friend got interning for the summer at NASA/Goddard.
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I recently wrote about Extreme Blue, an IBM summer program for extremely smart undergrad programmers. They do a lot of work in Linux. Will that do?
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I would be interested in offering an Internship and have thought about it for sometime. I work for a leading Sun ASEC and am constantly looking for quilified candidates to fill Unix Instructor positions. An internship would be a great way to save some money, while offering the vaulable experience someone needs before they are "ready" for the workforce. We are based out of Kansas City, but have offices in Virginia Beach, Witchita, Omaha, Tulsa, Salt Lake City and St. Loius.
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Most of our IT intern positions I've seen are for coders, but I'm sure we have Unix positions, too. We're historically an HP/UX shop, but Solaris is quickly overtaking it.
No Linux. Officially, that is...
I work for a large aerospace company that is on contract with the U.S. Military. We are always on the lookout for interns in various areas. Our site has many *nix boxen: IBM, Sun, and even x86 running Linux. My last assistant up and quit after the management at his company (not the one I work for) made a major screw-up. The position is open....
Look to companies in the military/government sector as well as the private sector.
If "disco" means "I learn" in Latin, does "discothèque" mean "I learn technology"?
They are out there...especially around the NY Financial district where reliable and stable environments are a must for day to day business activities. In fact, I am a product of one such internship. The Company I currently work for (Instinet) hired me on as an intern last summer. At the end of the internship, they kept me on part time, where I would telecommute one day and go in to the office every friday until this past May where I went full time.. We do lots of good stuff, perl hacking, java programming, c/c++, oracle/sybase Databases.. I know they really only take internships over the summer...but you can contact HR if your interested.
see here and scroll down to the dogfood department. or check the links at here. They still haven't got rid of frisbee totally.
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This looks like monster.com or something...
Whatever, finding unix jobs as a newbie can be hard, most require some experiense. dotcoms are usually less picky about experiense. use netcraft to find dotcoms that haven't been assimilated.
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First off, it may have been more useful if you would have given a city where you want to work. But aside from that, I recommen finding small companies that are growing. I can recommend a few places in the Chicago area, but that all I know.
Software Technologies Group: (http://www.stg.com) does a lot of recruiting over most of Nrthern Illinois. They specialize in UNIX systems software (device drivers, monitoring software, etc...) and I have never heard anything bad from any of their current or ex-employees about the company. In fact I am currently an intern there myself.
Otherwise, try places like Motorola, Lucent, or maybe Sun, HP, or SGI.
Hope this helps.
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You know, you really would think that with all the noise they're making about it, IBM would be a great place to do Linux/open source work.
The answer, at least in my experience (a summer internship over the summer of '99 plus some recruitment attempts thereafter) is that there is the perfect job or internship for you somewhere in that company, but don't expect to be put in touch with the right people about it by HR.
Matt Hiller, GCC Engineer, the Red Hat formerly known as Cygnus, Sunnyvale, CA
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Motorola hires hundreds if not thousands of interns in almost every department. On my last contract at Motorola over the summer of 1999 we had 8 interns for the IT department alone, the software developers had several dozen more.
Granted these postions concentrated in the Chicago IL, USA area but how enthused are you?
-Rusty
The Master (Angelo Rossitto) in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, "Not shit, energy!"
How about an Internet Startup? Most of them are fun places to work and for the obvious reasons many of them run on a Unix platform. We're a pure Java shop, and agnostic in Engineering; over half the developers run NT because the Quake/UT drivers are better (yes, really) but the production kit is FreeBSD, Linux and Solaris.
For info about my internship program, see http://www.kegel.com/academy/
http://www.bell-labs.com/
Click on "employment" and look near the bottom of the page, for Intern Program.
Check out us, the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory. Our main Web site is http://www.fnal.gov/ with a subpage linked with current employment openings so there must also be something about summer openings on the site also. Have a look around.
Dr. Frank J. Nagy Fermilab Computing Division Authentication and Directory Services Group
I work for DynCorp (www.dyncorp.com). We have an intern now from George Mason University who works with UNIX most of the time, but he also does some Windows NT stuff. If you go to college in the Washington DC area then have your placement office contact DynCorp or me personally at jmark@#nospam#dyncorp.com
Marjo Wycam, Master of the Programming Arts
Have a search on their jobs page.
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Not just Unix developing companies are interested in Linux geeks. I worked at Schlumberger Austin Product Center, IT advanced technology group this summer. All but one (that is the web master) CS interns and summer pooling students are Linux geeks. We wrote everything in Linux. In fact, they bought us brand new computers and we wiped the NT drive and installed linux. It was awesome.
My buddy is signing a contract with them writing in-house Linux stuffs, too.
When I looked for the intern, IBM's CAD developing group in NY also was looking for UNIX people writing TCL/Tk stuffs under AIX.
I went to my college career fair today looking for a summer internships
The problem is sadly, that neither Microsoft or you it seems are familiar with a concept much of the world is quite comfortable with. We call them seasons. And if there were no unix vendors at your summer job fair it is because they know summer was 2 months ago.
Why do I get this image of 1 guy and a table of microsoft weenies who have been locked in the gymnasium since the summer job fair.
Disclaimer - the previous sections were meant to be funny, you may argue that probably this person simply lives in a different portion of the world then myself; and that America's borders do not comprise the entire globe. To you I would say, get bent.
Secondly, Sun is a company and it's not "developed." And IBM is a direct competitor with Sun Microsystems, so if you'd like to elaborate..
And everyone knows that IBM working with Linux is for PR and to satisfy those who don't want to pick up the check for AIX- they can save it for an "upgrade"
Who wouldn't think of IBM when they think of UNIX developers?
-bugg
My explaination would involve the fact that IBM should not be expected to, nor will they ever, phase out AIX in favor of Linux. People who use AIX don't care that it's not free, it does the job and it does it well. IBM knows they can charge lots of money for that.
-bugg
I'm in a similar situation as you (College student), but have had no problems finding unix internships. There are a LOT of companies out there looking for those skills.
However, you can't expect them to find you. Go on hotjobs, or monster (or insert job site of choice). Post your resume. But SEARCH for jobs you'd be interested in. Then submit your resume anyway. Mention that you're looking for an internship in your cover letter, and ask if they'd be interested. Some will turn you down. But a surprising number wont.
I would avoid Intel. They probably do use unix for their chip design workstations, but the likelyhood of getting an internship developing that software is rather low. Most of the rest of the organization is completely terrified of anything that doesn't come from Microsoft. I speak from experience.
The work place has a poor reputation for a reason as well. I worked in a "bull pen" last summer. A large cubicle with two large desks and four contractors. It sucked. Not as bad as sharing a compressed cube though...
On the plus side, they pay well, as long as you get to negotiate your own rate. Their intern program doesn't let you do that, so go the contractor route if you can and you want to work there.
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A question: Is the current version of Realplayer for Unix Realplayer 8? The only version available seems to be 7.0, the last time I checked...
I went to my school's job fair this week as well. I stopped at some "e solutions provider" booth and asked them the usual questions, (what do you guys do, could I get an internship, etc). I told them that I was pretty picky about the internships and jobs I like to consider, because I'm a Unix geek and too many places just try to fit companies of all sizes with NT-based solutions.
Their reply was something to the effect of, "well, that's exactly what we do. We develop strictly for NT, because that's how it's done in business today. NT is simply the standard, and it's the best." I laughed at them and left, but I could have laughed at them all I wanted because in the end, they may be wrong about NT being the best, but they're RIGHT about NT being what people want. It's very saddening, but companies really DO trust Microsoft.
On that note, I think I'm going to do some more drinking.
Intercarve Networks, LLC
While we don't look for UNIX interns, we do hire college non-grads. If you want to work full time, school part time, and have yer manager call the internship coordinator at your school from time to time, I'm sure many UNIX shops can accomidate you.
Same post but without being a dip shit:
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Howdy. Try going to hotjobs or monster.com and searching for "unix" and "intern". If nothing turns up, search for unix and just email their HR depts for internships. Good luck in your search!
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they want useful experience, so next time they can say i helped design build test blah whatever. let local schools career centers know. include as much information as possible so you get somebody who is really interested. maybe even give them a chance to try something different, since they arent getting paid as much it wont cost so much to you.
Dude. What crack are you smoking?
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at LEAST half of the unix guys I work with/have worked with did not finish college. Probably near 1/5th of them didn't even finish high school.
I think the reason a lot of unix shops don't hire interns is that there aren't that many kids in college into unix to begin with.. most college kids in comp sci right now are taking comp sci not because they love computing or are seriously into it.. they're into it for the money.. which doesn't relate well to unix/linux
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Thats exactly what you have to do. Between my sophomore and junior year I ended up interning for Compaq working on Tru64. As a college student, it was an excellent way to learn the innerworkings of the UNIX platform as well as get exposure to some of the more sophisticated code that is out there.
To get the job, basically I went to the career fair at my college and walked up to the representative there and he offered me an interview after talking to him for about 15 minutes. It did help that he was the head of the kernel development group.
Borland are always on the lookout for linux people, and it's a good place to get experience in database servers, many different distributions etc.
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Interesting, I work in QA at Inprise... :)
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flame bait my ass. It's a sad state that unless it praises Linux and licks Linus nutsack its considered flamebait. Fuck slashdot any more. Its turned to total shit.
If you're looking for an internship (or a permanent position), check out http://www.sun.com/jobs/
I work in the Solaris Kernel Development group, and we're always looking for extremely bright people that are passionate about doing kernel development. We have some very challenging problems to solve, we have a world-class team of engineers, and we work on (IMHO) a terrific product. No, it's not Linux, but it's definitely UNIX.
Our group recruits actively at a small handful of schools (only so many hours in the year, y'know), but we're willing to consider anyone with the right background. We had three interns last summer; we'll probably aim to get two or three this year. Of course, we're always looking for qualified full-time hires too.
If this sounds interesting, drop me an e-mail.
'Course, the HP XP disk arrays have more storage, and are about three times faster. Yeah, I work for HP ;-).
But seriously, all of these companies use Unix - we use HP-UX, naturally. That is what we use to run our factory (where I work as a developer). And everyone is looking for talent. I'm not sure if the main company sites are your best bet, though, because the other thing that the larger companies have in common are layers of HR bureaucracy. If you see this, are in Northern California, and have interest, let me know and I'll see what I can do for you.
I have heard of Plan 9 but think about this...who heard of Linux in 1990...did you? Just because it isn't the current hot topic doesn't mean that it isn't useful. Do you even know how Plan 9 differs from "their baby", probably not because this comment was obviously written without and forethought on your behalf. some advise, think first...or keep quiet.
-pmb
What you can do is check with your university's job placement center (if they have such a department), and ask them if any companies are looking for developers. Another possibility is to check with the CS department at your school, and find out from the department chair if employers are looking for UNIX programmers.
We do. Unless you work on the NT helpdesk team, we are almost 100% Solaris and just about every developer has a Linux box on their desk. :) We hire plenty of interns from what I've seen.
While maybe not exactly what you're looking for, Compaq's Alpha Development Group (you know, the people who make the highest performance microprocessors in the known universe) hire lots of interns and do all of their real work on Unix.
If you're not into microarchitecture or heavy EE work, there's still plenty of software development in their CAD group. There's also plenty of hardware-software boundary work in their verification group.
You can send your resume and any inquiries to:
[Disclaimer: I work for ADG.]
CVS is teh suck. Use Vesta instead.
Within the next 12 moons. But in Holland. And it'll be a Linux shop. Slackware, of course.
Who Wants To Date A Norwegian?
Hotmail is run by Win2k now....Unfortunatly..
huh?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MSFT&d=1y
'nuff said
Lars -
Judging by the amount of "Linux Sux" and "Win2k is better than Unix" posts, alot of the postings here are done from *.microsoft.com.
/. would post AC fqdn's, or at least the Microsoft ones.
Oh how I wish
Lars -
It's not *nix, but you definately get to work on interesting non-windows technology.
www.edocombat.com
Wait? yep its blatant. We are always looking for skilled C programmers and System Engineers for HPUX and Solaris and soon Linux. While I will NOT speak for my company I will say that it is HARD to find people willing to do UNIX internships. Most people are wanting NETWORKING or MS and thus lose out on the opportunities we provide.
I work in a house that CREATES NEW Unix programs. Oh sure, we DONT create Open Source as our contracts are mostly military. We are very strong on knowledge and ability.
So, for those looking for UNIX interns, you have to look in the military areas and you have to actually LOOK.
We are located specifically in Chesapeake, Virginia. USA.
I can program myself out of a Hello World Contest!!
Unix has been around since the 60s (in some form or another), when did DOS come out? Which is a knockoff of what dumbass. So do your homework before starting a flamewar...jeez
I'm surprised to see any anti-UNIX words being said. It goes without saying that each operating system has its strengths and UNIX does it's very well.
As for a suggestion on where to do an internship the best place would be to check out small e-companies that are around your area. The larger companies are great to work in, but the smaller companies are going to be the ones that you are going to have the chances to come in as an intern and be able to learn from the people that are there.
If you take the time to think about it each and every company on the Internet that is not a strict Microsoft shop needs to have UNIX/Linux admins. All you need to do is take the time to look around for a company that needs an intern and go from there.
One of the great things about being an Admin is the flexibility of the schedules. It is easy to work anything in to the schedule of being an admin.
Just remember that all you have to do is look and write some e-mails and I am sure that you will find an opening.
I am an intern at IBM and do tons of Linux and UNIX stuff. You can email me if you really want more info. It is a WONDERFUL place to work.
I got more emails than I can handle. ugh!
UUNet has offices all over the place - Columbus, OH, Ashburn, VA, Ann Arbor, MI, Atlanta, GA, Fairfax, VA and out of the states. They are primarily a Solaris shop worldwide.
put an there. Thanks
During my college years I interned at 3Com's R&D center in Massachusetts for two summers. The work they do there is on carrier/enterprise-type products, so the platform for which you're developing is an embedded system, but the development environments themselves are all UNIX-based.
Further, the work I was actually doing was not development for the devices themselves; rather I was working on web-based test automation. The server was Apache on Solaris; most of the actual development was in the form of Perl scripts but it was still interesting work because it required integrating a lot of existing, very different test tools running on test machines independent of the web server itself.
-Kevin
We (2wrongs.com) have paid Linux and Java internships year-round and we are also looking for recent graduates and/or seasoned veterans in Linux (or other UNIX) or Java. We're an all Linux/Java shop doing some great bleeding edge work pushing the envelope of both. We're located in Arlington, VA. Write to jobs@2wrongs.com if you are interested... mention you saw the post on slashdot for expedited service.
I'm hoping to make it a regular thing. Unlike Doze(tm) products, kids can tinker with open-source technologies on their own. I get to nourish and fine tune their technique.
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That's certainly part of it. The other part is that linux is obviously here to stay, so they might as well get a piece of the pie, if there's pie to be had - and there certainly seems to be.
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Um, not everyone on Slashdot works at VA Linux.
But if you look at the quality and repetiveness/predicatability of Slashdot stories...
(BTW - it's a joke - I know the /. crew works hard on the stories.)
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Uhhh....
you probably was in the first level support... NOCs are like... network admins.. ie: if there's something wrong with the account on the isps side... first level support sends the problem to NOC who then go further with it....
indeed deffinet gold mines...
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hehehe! ok, this may seem lame... but I'm going to post it anyways ;P
Any good web development jobs in Tucson, AZ that hire full-time students as interns?
Technical support full-time doesnt work with full-time school :)
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http://www.r337.net
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One of your drivers under Win/2000 is destabilizing the system. I don't if it's a CODEC or what, but that is one obnoxious piece of software. Kick whoever is running QA in the butt.
Here's a specific recommendation: I received a bunch of .rm files with the ends lopped off. That causes RealPlayer to lock up, barf, and generally fall apart. RealPlayer is very, very brittle when it comes to getting invalid data. Do some testing by taking some movies and throw some garbage in them, and see what happens.
And can't you make it a little less bulky?
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Elaboration. My opinions may not be those of my employer.
First of all, the question asked was about places to work where *nix was an option instead of M$.
AIX, Solaris, and Linux all fall under the Unix heading.
Second, the software compatibility testing is done so that products coming out run on AIX, Solaris, and the following Linux distros: TurboLinux server (English and Chinese), Caldera OpenLinux server, SuSE, and RedHat.
Third, "Everyone knows that IBM working with Linux is for PR and to satisfy those who don't want to pick up the check for AIX."
Please explain linux on S/390? Please explain the new LDC, IBM's Linux Development Center in India?
AIX was a tough sell in a market of splintered Unices. It sells when you sell a complete package to a shop-- here, we'll sell you everything you need to do it, the box, the OS, the software...
But what to do when the world has their linux installed and is already happy with it? Develop product that will run on it.
Conclusion: IBM's courting with Linux is *NOT* just for PR purposes, it's serving the market; A wise business choice.
A host is a host from coast to coast, but no one uses a host that's close
ACtually, if you read my letter, I admitted to not knowing how plan 9 differs. and then I said I was going to go install it to find out.
so give me a little credit for owning up to my ignorance in the same post as asking genuine questions: Who uses it, and what makes it different?
A host is a host from coast to coast, but no one uses a host that's close
First of all, don't call me dirty names. Second of all, a shop is any place of business with a product being sold. A shop is also any place where development is done, such as a work shop, or machine shop. A shop describes the nature of working in a lab, and its similarity to working in a workshop, so working at Bell Labs with Thompson and Ritchie would *definately* be working in a shop. The shop is a component of the greater company. What do people do when they gather at company outings? TALK SHOP. now go wash your mouth out with a bar of soap, foul-mouth.
A host is a host from coast to coast, but no one uses a host that's close
Working with Ritchie and Thompson is about as close to climbing the mountain-top to consult the guru as you can get---
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but would you really want to learn *Plan 9* which is their own mutation of Unix, because they didn't like the other mutations of their baby? Yes, they were the originators of Multics, Unix et al, but how many shops run Plan 9? and how many of the new Plan 9 concepts are non-unix?
If any one knows of a Plan 9 shop, I'd like to know.
And now that I've completely challenged Plan 9's existence, I'm tempted to go and install it so I can at least see what's different. Besides, it's a good excuse to replace that RedHat 7 drive with something less buggy.
A host is a host from coast to coast, but no one uses a host that's close
Try submitting your application to IBM ExtreamBlue
Interesting when I was in College at Cal U The only interships were 99% Cobol on mainframes. Ok so we were in SW PA and Mellon and all the banks were in Pittsburgh but still.
I know that Red Hat usually has an intern or two around the office. Go to their homepage and send them an email.
They have several development projects going on various *nix & linux platforms. check out their web site. www.inktomi.com
He could live in the US and be looking for internships for the summer of 2001. A friend of mine currently in law school had internships for the summers of 200, 2001, 2002, and 2003 in December 1999.
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can't you clowns recognize a troll when you see one?!? and you who moderate should really know better.
knee-jerk? check. post? check. okay, time to read the article.
They hire lots of summer interns, but you have to know your stuff.
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I don't know if unix internships are widespread. But I know of at least one, cause I did an internship there this past summer, www.infonautics.com and more specifically www.echofactor.com.. I learned a wide variety of unix based utilities, such as SED, while i was there. And I also was able to get better at PHP and PERL. It was a great internship, and a full unix based solution.
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Wow! The programmers are the only ones that know unix? I shudder everytime I think of one of our developers trying to 'admin' one of our Solaris systems.... In times past a couple developers setup "unix" boxen, of course the only thing they could install was linux. So sad Happy days abound when I yank get to yank one of those buggy, non-secured systems and replace it with an actual Sun Server..... I understand that some startups like to timeslice their developers with admin duties....if they were truly smart, they should bite the bullet, cough up the cash, and hire a dedicated sysadmin, because once they go public, they will realize that those developers aren't really as informed as they thought they were.... (yeah yeah, flamebait. I'm a bit jaded these days)
Before I'm summarily skewered by the anti-Microsoft zealots, let me say this: you're a student--shouldn't your goal be to broaden your experience?
Not that there is anything wrong with liking and using Linux or UNIX, but if you do that to exclusion you risk the same narrowmindedness that the Linux zealots denounce in Microsofties. Pure UNIXites and devoted Microsoft lovers are equally offensive.
Despite what you hear on /. Microsoft has done some good work and has some good ideas and products. Think of it like international travel--you may want to spend your summer in sunny France, but Iceland is all that's available. It may not be your first pick, but it will be enlightning nonetheless (for those of you wondering, Iceland would be my first pick).
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I work at IPC. We use VxWorks, an embedded UNIX-like OS and Solaris. Contact HR through the web page.
The corporate culture is excellent. I worked in the Eagan facility where every single employee (soon to change to officer/engineer/tech writer) gets his or her own office. Department events are held about every month and intern events are once per week. Travel is free and out-state intern housing is free in Eagan and every Friday, Beer Bust=~/3PM/
look for Sun, instead. i know quite a few guys who interned at Sun.
I highly recommend a book called Running Linux by by Matt Welsh, et al. After going through that I think you'll see how much more Linux can do than W2K. Linux gives you a lot more bang for your buck.
Lots of city and county government I.S./data processing shops run unix and often have intern positions open.
Why bother working with unix? Unix is just a cheap knockoff of DOS anyways. They changed the back slash to a forward slash, changed dir to ls, and a few other superficial changes, just so it would look different. Who do they think they're fooling? Microsoft should have patented the command line interface, it's one of their greatest innovations.
I'd be careful learning HP-UX though, th erally valuable skills right now are in Solaris. HP-UX will give you some funny ideas. AIX is worthwhile too because there just aren't many people that know AIX inside and out.
If you are interested in unix (or web servers or Oracle/SQL), we have summer internships in the QA department at Netopia. I've even got a couple of full-time positions I'm trying to fill in San Jose/Alameda. pfterry@netopia.com
Compaq Tru64 development in New Hampshire and New Jersey hires interns. This is the original Digital Unix, aka OSF/1, development organization and it's growing. Go to http://vcmproapp04.compaq.com/jobs/college/intern. html for intern information.
I am an Employment Specialist with Sun Microsystems in the Solaris software groups, and we are always looking for qualified Unix candidates. If interested in working for Sun, please email your resume to: Heather.Malcolm@Sun.Com.Sun
The U.S. National Labs offer lots of internships/positions for computer scientists involving Linux or Unix. Here is an incomplete set links for the curious:
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Hetz (Heunique)
If you are a programmer, at least, look at companies that develop so-called embedded systems. The operating systems of choice in this industry are UNIX-like: WindRiver vxWorks and LynuxWorks LynxOS/BlueCat Linux. Indeed, many embedded designs are starting to utilize plain Linux.
What are embedded systems, you ask. Damn smart question - you should be proud of yourself. Fact is, probably most programmers in the world are actually developing such systems. Basically, any electronic/computing device that is not a conventional computer. For instance, gaming devices, cd-rom drives, DNA analyzers (I do that), telecommunications devices, power utility switches, routers/bridges, medical instruments, .. ..
Keywords to look for would be firmware development, embedded systems programming, real-time development.
Best part of it all is that you'll probably get to deal with some of the most interesting development environments that exist. For instance, we developed our said DNA analyzer using ObjecTime, and going forward we'll be using Rational RoseRT - tools that automatically generate C++ code based on the model that you visually draw! (You just fill in the "meat" of each function - the action that takes place in a transition, say). Logic Analyzers, emulators/simulators, virtual platforms, cross-compiler environments -- this is all the stuff that teach you everything about computers - and nice OS designs.
Now, if you were not actually asking as a programmer, but as a systems administrator or other IT drone, here is the (more limited) tip: Go for the back ends - i.e. web servers, IBM's Net.Commerce development, DNS/Firewall administration, that type of stuff. But those are not real people - the I.T. world is just to stuffed with "management types". If you still have the choice, look for software/firmware development environments - much cooler people and more casual atmosphere.
In any case, I can empathize with you. I graduated in May, but prior to that, there were about three companies looking for UNIX interns as compared to over 100 looking for those who knew VB/VC/MS-SQL/ASP/etc.
I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.
If you have any UNIX experience, your basically hired, turnover is high.
And they train you, since they need things done in certain ways, UNIX and networking basics.
Tech support is your key into higher paying jobs, they love to promote from within.
Ask if they do Internships, we hired 3 after they graduated.
NOC's are a little hidden gold mine. I get to take my friends who are NT tech support, and convert them to the dark side. :)
The pay is better too.
-Brook
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My company will be setting up a number of interships.
What I would like to know is what kinds of experience college students are looking for in an intership?
Who needs to be contacted at the college to set up an internship?
What other information should I be looking at while planning on offering interships?
Lando
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FedEx uses hundreds of interns, mostly in Unix-related positions.
The pickings are best in Memphis, Orlando, and Colorado Springs.
They have been known to bring the same person back for more than one internship.
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EMC has internships that are Unix-based, so if you're interested in working in Massachusetts or North Carolina (Research Triangle Park), there are possibilities. You can look at www.emc.com.
(If you don't know, EMC is the leader in very-high-end storage solutions. We're talking over 17 terabytes in one box right now. And yes, I do work for EMC--I use Linux at my desk.)
Of course, probably any large high-tech company will do Unix interns. As others have suggested, you can search the job sites. If you have a particular geographic area in mind, find out what companies are there, and contact them.
WorldCom I know for a fact is looking for a strong background in Unix. 3M and Lucent are some others.
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Cisco is always hiring - and we have a large
population of *nix geeks - Linux is very popular
internally and of course there are tons of sun boxes...
First they burn books, then they burn people.
http://www.oracle.com/college/jobs_sam. html
and the Internships page itself:
http://www.oracle.com/college/jobs_int.html
Disclaimer: I work for Oracle and like it here, so I am probably biased!
Part of the Second American Revolution!
We're looking for FT positions, but we do take a number of interns.
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We're based in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, so a relocation would be required unless you wanted to be sales. Halifax is a cool city for geeks anyway. Lots of broadband, and there are apartment buildings that are connected to our office building via pedways.
They might have something at Hotmail. Or maybe their Linux portation group. Heck, now they might be able to get you in at Corel.
RealNetworks has a fabulous UNIX development story. We always need interns to do software development and QA. mail us!
BTW: RealPlayer for Unix is available today for the following platforms: Linux i386/PPC/Alpha, Solaris, Irix and AIX, and RealServer is available for Linux/i386, Solaris, Freebsd, Irix, HPUX, and AIX. RealProducer is available for Linux/i386. I know all these projects could use the help of good interns. download them here.
Thanks,
RealNetorks TLC Techlead && RealNetworks Server Devlead.
Since for all practical purposes all silicon design tools run exclusively on *nix, a very good starting place is the chip-design industry.
At last word Intel was hiring anything that wasn't down to room temperature, although that may have to do with their working-environment reputation. Still, there are lots of other companies that design ICs.
ISPs are another possiblity.
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
Glad to see you're willing to help out a newbie, and aren't cynical or bitter like some of those linux zealots over at slashdot.... oh, wait a sec...
Neil..........
I used to have a cool sig.
This summer I was 14 and I was looking for a cool Linux job. asked at VA and ended up working in a summer internship with them. It rocked! :)
I'm sure my company would hire you.
www.speedyclick.com
We are lookig for new perl/mod_perl guys.
They hired me and I'm just a 17 year old punk
with an ego.
;-)
And yes we are all linux all the time.
I know I'm going to hell, I'm just trying to get good seats.
Everyone knows? I think IBM's interest in Linux is sincere. IBM have
been the UNIX vendor whose participation in the UNIX standardisation
process was most genuine and least Machiavellian, and I think they see
Linux doing what AIX failed to: provide a kind of default standard for
UNIX. It would be great if some of their administration tools were to
migrate over to Linux...
I was working at NASA Ames Research Center a few years ago as a Unix Sys Admin and I remember that there were probably 5 or 6 interns working in our area. Two of the local community colleges had deals with the center where interns would get to work at Ames, get college credit, and get low wages (like $7/hr at the time. Might be more now). Looking quickly on the web, I see that the program has a webpage at: http://interns.arc.nasa.gov
The main NASA webpage has a section for student jobs, but it's buried under some huge URL.
It might not suit you because of the location (Silicon Valley) but if there's a NASA location near you, chances are that they would have a similar program. It's not great pay, but what company are you going to go to where you get to work with HUGE supercomputers:
Crays, IBM SP-2, SGI O2000, and hundreds of terabytes of online tape robot storage.
(that list was much more impressive in 1996, I swear!)
It's definitely an interesting place to work for your $7/hr. (1996 wages) They'd end up hiring most of the interns that were interested.
Keine eier
You can do your part to help this --
Bring your hotshot resume, get them interested, discover they're in bed with Microsoft, offer your disapproval and leave.
Tech companies these days have to work hard to snatch up able graduates. Other kinds of pressure might not phase them, but this kind is real.
As an aditional point, companies that produce Unix operating systems often receive internal pricing (i.e. supposedly cheaper) on their O/S licenses, so you'll find that Unix is still greatly used in these shops.
I interned for a year at HP, and although we were far removed from the O/S group, the server platform of choice was, of course, HP/UX.
Persevere with your search for a Unix position - big shops are still a great way to learn Unix - and the skills and knowledge you'll acquire can easily be applied to Linux (with a few caveats).
- A good place to start might be http://jobs.hp.com/.
- Agilent is a spin-off of some HP divisions, they also take interns: http://jobs.agilent.com.
- Finally, HP spun off it's Mechanical Design Division into CoCreate Software, whose jobs page is here.
Good luck!The only jobs I can get are Unix jobs! Please, I'd love to intern at a company playing with Microsoft stuff. Where are you trying to intern?
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Then hang out at websites like usavisanow
But stay the hell away from fairus, which outlines (in the "Stein Report") the various election year payoffs the American Senators are getting from Sun, Oracle, Microsoft, GE and IBM.
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I work for Merck. We have thousands of sites around the world, and we are actually having a hard time finding UNIX interns. I live and work in New Jersey ( our headquarters ). If you are in the area or would like me to pass along you resume, email me at work. peter_perfetti@merck.com
--Wu Wei--
When choosing a company to do an internship at, it's also important to define what your goals are. Do you want money? General technical experience? Technical experience handling midscale or enterprise level computing? Business experience?
If you want money or general tech experience, it might be better to start cracking the books and hacking the code on your own so you can focus on improving your own weaknesses rather than learning what you're assigned by your boss. Or, if it's business experience you want then you should focus on how much contact you will have with key decision makers in the company (and thus how much you will be able to learn from them).
OTOH, if you want tech experience handling larger UNIX systems then definitely go for your original plan and seek out the companies that use UNIX throughout their business.
Just look for an internet startup; a sizeable chunk of them use Sun, and a fair amount Linux. Plus the fact that whatever company you join will probably be out of business in a year won't matter if you just want to intern for a little while.
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UNIX may be old, but it's definately not a fad. Linux's currently popularity may be a fad, but it will still be around even after it's time in the spotlight has faded.
Although I know many people who predict the death of Linux in the next five to ten years, I still believe that Linux will still have it's place. After all, the various BSDs are still around, and they're based on a UNIX 10-15 years older than Linux!
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
Hey. They adopt gnome. They work to make gnome better. They make StarOffice for Linux. They release StarOffice under GPL. this seems neither evil nor Linux-hateful
Currect me if I'm wrong here.
t /netkit-base.lsm | grep Description
/usr/sbin/*BSD*
/usr/games
Basic Unix history tells us:
*Some guys at AT&T wrote Unix
*Some guys at Berkely added and altered parts of it
*Some guys at Berkely realized that a lot of it had been rewritten, rewrote the rest, and declared it as being entirely University of California property
*Meanwhile there are other systems based on Unix System 5 and such
*Lots of cross-pollination happens
Anyway, my point is
*BSD itself is a complete rewrite of Unix*
therefore, there is no reason Linux cannot be considered a complete rewrite of Unix
(though my system has a lot of bsd code in it)
Here's a couple of places I noted BSD code:
lynx -dump ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/Networking/netki
Description: Basic network tools, fixed and ported from BSD code.
ls
/usr/sbin/ftpd-BSD*
ls
adventure* canfield* gnomehack* phantasia* robots* wargames*
arithmetic* cfscores* gomoku* pig* rot13* worm*
atc* countmail* hunt* pom* sail* worms*
backgammon* cribbage* mille* ppt* snake* wump*
banner* dm* monop* primes* snscore* xsoldier*
battlestar* factor* morse* quiz* teachgammon*
bcd* fish* nethack* rain* tetris-bsd*
caesar* fortune* number* random* trek*
Stop using the idiotic non-word "alot". If that was on your resume, it would go straight into my trash can. Yes, grammar and spelling count.
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Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
IBM has devoted itself to Linux/AIX/Sun development in ways you'd never think of, if you didn't read slashdot, where every week it's something new- either the linux watch, the interview with the head of the Linux Dev Center of IBM, all sorts of things.
Co-ops are hired all the time. If you're serious, I can put your resume' in with HR.
A host is a host from coast to coast, but no one uses a host that's close
I just started an an intership working with Tru64 at Woldcom. Pretty exciting stuff
Hey, just wanted to let you know that SGI has plenty of UNIX interns throughout the year.
-Mason
Unfortunately, my company can't afford this right now or I'd be recommending it--and not just for the summer.
We are a Unix/Linux development shop with several development/QA machines (not to mention servers). The programmers are the only people who know Unix, so we get stuck admin'ing that side of things. There isn't much to do, but it adds up--plus when something goes wrong it can eat up a lot of programming time. What I want to do is have a student (even a bright HS student would do, otherwise a college person) come in in the afternoons or 3 days a week or something to do things like:
-rotate backup tapes
-add disk space
-cannibalize old machines to make some good ones
-massage the mail system into shape
-setup Samba for file sharing
Etc.
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If you're looking for a good intern position working with UNIX or Linux, and don't mind relocating to the west coast for a couple of months, then seriously try Intel (see http://www.intel.com/jobs/usa/students/)& lt;/a>
They've always got intern positions both for people who want to develop and/or administrate Linux and other UNIX types.
For students, they'll help finding housing and getting a car for the duration of the internship.
I'm a little biased since I've worked for Intel for over five years. It's always been nice to stay focused on UNIX systems and let other people deal with the Windows world.
(And yes, these opinions are my own and I'm not a spokesperson for Intel Corporation)
Try getting a job at your school. A lot of professors as well as various labs etc tend to look for people to admin their Unix/Linux systems without using up all their grant money. You wouldn't make as much but you'll get to grind your teeth on a lot Unix. :)
Web firms also tend to need Unix perople.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
1. Depending on the school, they may have summer job openings at the Computer Networking department. Many schools run *nix systems due to financial constraints. They can also be an excellent source of reference for later jobs. Trust me.
2. Check http://www.geekfinder.com to find out what companies are hiring, and give them a call. They may be looking for an intern. It never hurts to ask.
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Sun has a program called BoB. It stands for the best of the best. While you're in college, and just after you graduate, Sun invests in you by setting up a regimine of 70-90% training and the rest working with Sun people, shadowing engineers, etc. I'm sure there's info on the website, or you can contact the local team or the HR department. Also check out www.sunsandiego.com-- there are some engineering groups there if you're interested in hard core stuff.
And by the way, Sun is not "evil". Yes, perhaps I'm biased, but I don't think anyone that really knows the organization would think Sun is"evil".
I run linux on my Sun issued laptop-- and I know I'm not the only one. Unix excels at flexibility, so it's easy to integrate the systems. Use the right tool for the right job....
Oh, and as a bonus, they take the kids on a free plane ride one afternoon (one of the planes being flown by Thompson).
I'm a Student Affairs Director at an engineering school and send a number of my students to do unix internships - more, in fact, than to MS (though MS is more visible). Sun, and other big unix vendors, mostly - but some smaller firms as well.
We use JobTrak, as do many other universities. They have a stronger focus on students than Monster, and have a lot of jobs, internships that don't require experience (and jobs that do, for alums).
The universities like them since they provide feedback on how their students and alums fare and where they go. That's good because if we send a pile of students to Sun, we'd start talking to them and form stronger relations.
Just make sure you know your C really well, and you should have a good chance - these places hire an awful lot of interns...
Here's a wacky idea: try going to hotjobs.com|monster.com, and search for jobs containing the words "unix" and "intern". Just a thought. Or here's a more complicated idea: search for jobs that contain the word "unix" and then contact those company's hr depts about possible internships. If you have trouble with either idea, just feel free to ask slashdot again.