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Linux 2.4.15 is out; Linux 2.5.0 has also begun.
jbondjr writes: "It appears 2.4.15 is released. It's not quite updated on kernel.org's main page, but it is there if you dig through the tree. You can find 2.4.15 on one of your friendly Kernel.org Mirrors (note the 2.4.15 Changelog) From the 2.5 readme: "Linux-2.5.0 is exactly the same as 2.4.15, except for a version number change." So, enjoy the
The 2.5 Tree
Mmmmm... Turkey!
Decimal is evil! I hear it infects linux. Use hexadecimal or binary!
!!!
http://saveie6.com/
Is this Freshmeat or Slashdot ?
/. have to act as an advertising board for EVERY kernel release increment ?
This isn't a new question - I know. But really does
2c
This early post for Ida!
For years now, the common American penis bird has been a staple of every American's daily diet. Whether it be penis bird sandwiches, fried penis bird, or perhaps penis bird under glass (for the rich), we all have penis bird at least once a day. Many Americans have no clue how the penis bird became so important in the pyramid of a balanced diet, so in this article I will attempt to explain its history and why it is so useful.
In the early 1870s, Francis Zefran became the first penis bird breeder in North America. He started his famous Penis Bird Ranch in Canton, OH. At the time, not much was known of the penis bird's nutritional value, but the Penis Bird Ranch changed all of that. Not only did Francis Zefran raise penis birds to sell their colorful plumes (a VERY lucrative business), he also set up the world's first research lab dedicated solely to the study of the penis bird.
The lab found many interesting things. First, it was discovered that the penis bird was actually semi-sentient. Second, the scientists found that the meat of the penis bird was high in protein, vitamin A, vitamin B, and calcium, while low in fat, cholestorol, and sodium. Never before had such a nutritious meal been had without supplement or fortification. The scientists of the lab recommended immediately that the penis bird become a part of every American's daily diet.
When the news of the penis bird's usefulness reached president Rutherford B. Hayes, he was absolutely ecstatic. You see, President Hayes owed a number of favors to Francis Zefran because as I said earlier, the penis bird plume trade was an extremely lucrative business and Mr. Zefran was important in getting RBH elected through a number of monetary gifts. President Hayes immediately asked Congress to pass what we all know today as the Hayes/Zefran Penis Bird Consumption Act.
The act did a number of things to make the penis bird a daily meal, most important of which was the requirement that for every four people in a household, one penis bird must consumed every day. Another thing the act did was create an artificial monopoly for Francis Zefran's Penis Bird Industries. The act stated that the only supplier of penis bird meat in the US would be PBI. As one would imagine, this quickly made Francis Zefran into the richest man in the world. He was soon a multi-billionaire (quadrillionaire with today's inflation). Never before had a single man seen such wealth.
Many challenges were made to the Hayes/Zefran Penis Bird Consumption Act, and several even made it the Supreme Court. It was argued that the act was unconstitutional and went against liberty itself, but once the detractors tasted delicious penis bird meat for the first time, they immediately dropped their cases and followed the law to the letter. We all know today that penis bird is the most delicious meat man has ever known, but at that time, the only meats people ate were pork and beef.
In the early 1970s, though, challenges to the act began again. Many argued that the monopoly given to Penis Bird Industries by the act was in all ways unamerican. The Supreme Court finally agreed, and in 1974, Section II of the act was struck down. This in effect opened the market to competition for all.
Today, Penis Bird Industries is almost no more. Today we have the market leader Penis Bird Meat International facing against Penissoft, a recent startup. Where will the future lead the penis bird market? Only time will tell us, but one thing is certain: penis birds are here to stay!
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final:
- Jan Kara: fix quota kill all hetero races with dildos
pre9:
- David Brownell: u must b gay update
- Greg KH: USB and PCI assplug update
- Ingo/me: fix SCHED_FUCKO for UP/SMP for good (flw).
- Add back direct_BLOW now that it works again.
pre8:
- Richard Henderson: ass crust update
- Andrew Morton: fix ext3/minix/sysv N'sync homosexual behaviour.
The Slashdot Effect: A new for
so they can be cool and trendy and be on the development tree while it's still stable?
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention, First Post!
Is there a way to use a new(er) kernel with XFree86 4.0.3 DRI? It seems my mb agpgart (VIA KT266) is not supported by 2.4.7 but it may be by 2.4.14.
Build 2.4.15 with some modules. Look where it installs them... (Clue: Think when it was released)
;-))
Linus is a little joker, isn't he?
Don't forget the Preemptible Kernel patch. This will reduce latencies and overall make a desktop machine feel snappier.
From what I hear, however, it's not recommended for servers where bandwidth is more important. But then again, you wouldn't be putting a bleeding edge kernel on there anyway, now would you?
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Just look at the kernel name, for 2.4.15
You'd think it would be 2.4.15, consistent with all other kernels.
but NoooOOooo...
he has to name it:
2.4.15-greased-turkey
I'm sure there isn't a Todo list. And I assume there never will be one.
I was just wondering (read karma-whoring) what the first big change in 2.5.0 will be.
I guess cml2, the new config/make system.
Some other changes that might be expected;
Jfs and Xfs in the main kernel,
Fixing the latency, and maybe make the kernel pre-emptive.
There will be a scsi layer rewrite and maybe a ide layer rewrite (that's correct?),
Well, don't worry about that. We can get you back before you leave. (Dr. Who)
Looks like kernel.org has updated their main page and their 100Mbps connection looks pretty maxed.
/. Also surprised my first submission got accepted :)
http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/
Sorry, seldom post, so don't know how to make a link on
Ive always loved the thrill of a development kernel, i bet linus is very excited, constant bug fixing does get quite annoying. But ive come to realise the ingenius nature of his development: odd and even numbers beeing stable and unstable respectively, its an ingenius little system, I know that 2.5 has some exciting developments like ALSA being our sound system in the works, but i wonder what else we can look forward to.
Coincidently, does anyone remember the site that popped up when atlast 2.4 kernel was released and we got to predict when we thought 2.6 would come out, id like to see that site again to see what i predicted. Cheers
Microsoft IIS is to webserving as KFC is to healthy eating
Now, for the people who use ext3:
You will not need to download ac/ext3 patches anymore to get your journaling running.
THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ
By The WIPO Troll, $Revision: 1.10 $
What is "Taco-snotting?"
Good Lord. And what is a "Circle-snot"?
Ewwwww. Why have I been receiving emails from CmdrTaco asking me if he can Taco-snot me?
I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?
Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?
That's horrible. Does "Taco-snotting" have anything to do with CmdrTaco's "special taco"?
Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.
What's that screaming I hear coming from your basement?
No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.
________________________________________
READER COMMENTS
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.21 4:49 (#2594325)
oh yeah, you say you have masturbated only 2 times to this post. well, by the time it takes for me to get through reading it, i usually end up masturbated 5 to 6 times, 10 to 12 if i have the goatse.cx homepage loaded up and am looking at it side by side with the slashdot page. my keyboard, hands, mouse, monitor, the underside of my desk and around the floor under my desk are cum soaked and sticky with the man smell i know and love.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.21 4:41 (#2594311)
for version 2 you should make a total re-write of the cod...errr...text and add some details about cmdrtaco and the homo-gang's happenings with their coworkers (osdn?) and all of the gay revelry they enjoy and promote. by the way, did i just see cmdrtaco on television promoting the nax hair removal system? i guess after using vaseline in and around his ass he grew quite a ponytail and it had to be removed somehow...ouch!
by TRoLLaXoR on 2001.11.21 3:59 (#2594191)
WIPO, do you notice how few comments you get for anything you write/post/spam nowadays?
-Trollaxor
by sales_worldwide on 2001.11.20 11:53 (#2588488)
You forgot to mention Jon Katz's "docking" games, where he places his chopper head to head with another chap, and rolls the other guys foreskin over his own circumcised end ("docking"), providing him with fantasies of actually having his own forskin
"Making linux GPL was the best thing I ever did" - Torvalds. I'd hate to see the worst thing...
by Fucky the troll on 2001.11.20 11:28 (#2588446)
Woah! When did the WIPO troll get freed? And how the fuck did I miss it?
Excellent FP, sir.
This is a sig virus. Please put me in your sig
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.20 11:04 (#2588407)
omg that is crapflooding material if i ever saw it!!!!!! and u got a first post!!!! whoot to the wipo troll!!!
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.19 9:03 (#2583756)
GW...you know we love every hair on your 27 acre ass... and I, for one, would never do anything untowards your graceful demeanor. And you probably have several friends that would love to help you do the bear dance all over my face if I so much as spelled your name wrong. And you know I'd defend your Constitutional right to defame God in heaven. I'd even help fund your education, should you ever decide to take that route. Hell, I'd buy you a tall tepid bear-whiz beer if you were here with me, right now!
But.
Now go stick your shaved head back down inside the woman's toilet, and just to show there's no hard feelings, I'll jump in the tow-truck and drive right over to help you pull it right out...ok?
thanks
by mark knopfler 69 on 2001.11.19 8:25 (#2583695)
I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU SIR. FOR ONE THING, THE E-MAIL FROM CMDRTACO DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH GRAMMATICAL AND SPELLING MISTAKES. Let's be realistic here, CmdrTaco usually types with one hand, and since he is shaking from jacking off his aim on the keyboard isn't too good. Those e-mails were a little too well written. Sorry boy, you'll have to do better.
by WeatherTroll on 2001.11.19 8:14 (#2583667)
You should update this to say VA Software instead of VA Linux.
by smackmonkey on 2001.11.19 7:06 (#2583510)
Crackhead moderators: this is +5, Hilarious material.
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CNN declares War on Islam!
Left-wing America declares War on its Civil Liberties!
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.19 5:40 (#2583336)
This was funny the first 100 times. Now it is getting boring!
by egg troll on 2001.11.18 22:27 (#2582054)
Having masturbated *twice* to this post, I'm still incredibly aroused! Come over for a Taco Snot. I'll be wearing my crotchless Clifford the Big Red Dog outfit!!
For more info check out this
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:03 (#2580822)
add more links to goatse and to cowboineal's site to make it better. a link to rotten.com would be nice too
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:18 (#2580832)
and a link to michael's site and to jon katz's site if he has one and homo's site. i dont know what else to say. maybe a few links to phallic.org they have nice penis pictures! a link to the planet quake site or whatever. really make the reader feel this faq really answers their questions. oh yeah, and when you talk about cmdrtaco snotting you, say he brought you to "orgasm after sweaty orgasm". describe it more is all i'm saying. and use more italics and bolding! and when you talk about jon katz shitting or whatever have a link to fecal japan on rotten.com
other wise a great job wipo troll! keep up the good work!
by Wil Wheaton on 2001.11.18 6:41 (#2580438)
Hi. Let's be buddies.. butt buddies.
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WIL WHEATON DOT NET
by dead_puppy on 2001.11.18 5:33 (#2580342)
Here is an e-mail I received a week ago:
From: malda@slashdot.org
To: puppy_dead@hotmail.com
Subject: were where you last friday?
I thought we where supposed to meet at Backdoor's at 8-ish, sugar-lips? You could've at least told me that you could'nt make it! I was even in my favorite pink skirt for you, honey-cup... next time, you could be more considarite and tell me you cant come... bastard.
--
CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot.org)
You finding Ling-Ling's head?
by Big_Ass_Spork on 2001.11.18 4:53 (#2580300)
I do it wrong
Laying here in the shadows of my room, I squint up at my love. My Ms. Portman. I am sore and tired after fucking her for eight solid hours. My chapped and aching dick is soaking in grits to relieve the pain. She gets on her knees and starts lapping the grits up out of the bowl. She places her beautiful hands on my penis and starts to lick the grits off my achy piece.
Massaging my nutsack she....
WAIT, I DO IT WRONG!!!!
Yanking my dick out of her mouth I throw her to the ground and shove it in to her gaping freshly fisted ass. [goatse.cx]
"OH BIG ASS SPORK!! Fuck my ass, fuck my ass good. DEEPER, my stallion, deeper!! Make a Beowulf cluster of sperm on my back!!"
"Imagine a Beowulf cluster of this baby!"
I DO IT WRONG!!!!
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All your Sporks are belong to Big_Ass_Spork! What you say?! All your Sporks are belo... forget it...
by j0nkatz on 2001.11.17 22:54 (#2579596)
I just heard some sad news on the radio -- famous queerbait Rob Malda was found dead in his Holland home this morning. The details were a bit hazy, but it seems that he drowned in jizz while Taco Snotting his friend Hemos. I'm sure everyone in the
I wanna Open Source sex so it won't be worth a shit either.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.15 6:38 (#2567601)
No no no, the correct term for that is "donkey-punch". I have eye-witnessed this amazing eye-popping event demonstrated on unsuspecting hose-monsters by my frat brothers in the past.. .
by AbsoluteRelativity on 2001.11.15 5:31 (#2567457)
The WIPO Troll
Slashdot and the Karma Lottery - News for uber monkeys, by uber monkeys.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:27 (#2557632)
Oh, man that's just sick !
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:03 (#2557604)
TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET AN ANONYMOUS proxy please WIPO Troll. Maybe later i will join you in a snotting at my place.
by vikool on 2001.11.13 7:43 (#2557495)
what is this bull shit,i feel offened that some people feel so so senseless to post stuff like these esp when such a tragic incident has occured
by I.T.R.A.R.K. on 2001.11.11 22:38 (#2551890)
Where the fuck do I sign up?!
- I throw rocks at retarded kids
"Adequacy.org: Where congenital stupidity is not an option, but a requirement."
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 21:53 (#2551753)
this shit is hilarious..keep up the good work.
by rockwood on 2001.11.11 21:49 (#2551746)
OMG! That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard! WHo in their right mind would sit down and waste the time to construct such a replusive story. I guess I'll be skipping lunch and dinner today.. and possibly tomorrow also. The game doesn't affect reality. Reality affects the game.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 14:43 (#2550701)
dude, this is crap-flood material if i ever saw it.
duuuuuuuuudddddddddddddeeeeeeeee.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 8:16 (#2550266)
horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com
Ah, so that's what the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.horny-rob newsgroup is about!
by egg troll on 2001.11.11 5:34 (#2550024)
+5, Arousing
For more info check out this
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:39 (#2549891)
WINNER>
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:37 (#2549887)
I love you. Why do you use your bitchslapped account, rather than signing up for a new account to post at +1 before getting bitchslapped by the censors here? I guess I should speak for myself, but I don't want to log out and lose all my slashdot customization properties, nor do I want to lose my 50 karma yet.
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.09 9:19 (#2542412)
you fucking rock! right down to the expanded cvs id!
WIPO trolls > linux
________________________________________
J. Wipo Troll, Esq.
Crapflooder Associates
Slashdot.org
Damn! I just got 2.4.14 to compile using a part of the 2.4.15pre patch.
:)
I could have had some decent sleep!
Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers. -- Leonard Brandwein
My boyfriend had been going on at me for a long time about wanting anal sex with me. Initially I was quite shocked, but perhaps not surprised as he had gone to a well known public school, and I knew what they got up to!
I started to look up websites and read articles about anal sex on the Internet, and I was surprised how interesting I found the subject - I was even intrigued that the Americans call the women 'back door girls'.
One evening, after a few too many glasses of wine, I said that I would agree to it, on the condition that if it hurt or I did not like it he would stop immediately. My boyfriend is very considerate and he fully agreed to my demands. I said that I would have a bath, and see him in the bedroom.
I made sure that I carefully scrubbed my bottom in readiness, and with some trepidation walked into the bedroom. My boyfriend did nothing to hide his erection and he said that he was getting really excited at the prospect of taking me from the rear. He gave me a long and passionate kiss, his tongue probing deep into my mouth. He then cupped my breasts and started to lick and suck my nipples, which made them stand out like stalks. I could feel the moisture starting to flow from my pussy. He then got me to kneel on the carpet with my bottom sticking straight up at him. I am rather proud of my bottom, and he praised its plump roundness.
His tongue started to lick up and down my crack, I could feel his saliva dribbling down over my gaping pussy lips. My hand went to seek out my clit, and I rubbed it hard. Then he eased his cock to my puckered little hole, and ever so gently pushed it in. I let out a gasp, and tried to relax my muscles he slid further inside me. It was an incredible sensation, feeling his stiff cock gliding in and out of my bottom as my finger masturbated my clit.
Soon he cried out that he was going to cum, and my hand was in a frenzy rubbing my swollen bud, as I too felt my orgasm start. He groaned as with a final thrust up my bottom he spurted his delicious hot cream deep inside me. That was enough to send me over the top and I came with a violent shuddering spasm.
As a thank you to me, he gave my juicy pussy a good licking, and I had another lovely orgasm. I am now a fully paid up 'back door girl'!
I hope that all the kbuild stuff gets in soon !!!
regards
john jones
I have a confession to make.
Last night, I raped and sodomized Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen. I couldn't help it, they're just so darling cute when they're naked, chained to each other, and begging me not to plunge my penis into their puckered little asses. But I did. Seventeen times.
And I like licking their cute little feet.
J. Wipo Troll, Esq.
Crapflooder Associates
Slashdot.org
- alpha : the development tree
- beta : developers realise that they have done all the tests they could and call 'stable' the development tree. More users starts using the new kernel (users which would not have used a 'development' release). New bug and problems come out; some of them may not be fixable with small patches, but may require some strong re-enginering.
- final : the developers and beta users are satisfied with the current performances of the stable kernel ( and maybe also tired of working on it
;^>). The stable kernel is given to the maitainers. A new development kernel begins.
This is not a bad model. Maybe the kernel is getting too big for the two-stage model. And maybe too many people are using Linux for critical business, starving the 'development' releases of the testers it needs to get production quality.Ciao
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FB
Linux coders, we really appreciate your hard work! Take a break, enjoy some lighter material!
Dammit! I just downloaded 2.4.14 and recompiled not more than a few days ago, and time to do the same thing all again. Seems like the kernels are coming out faster than one can keep up with them. =)
"Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
just code html to make a link. you should type:
k ernel.org/mirrors/</a>
<a href="http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/">http://www.
This works in html formatted <B> and </B> plain old text. (i think code as well).
just a tip.
Since the kernel is now on the 2.4 series kernel, is it officially considered a "stable" kernel yet? With the recent discussions of the VM system and pre-emptable kernels, I wonder if the latest version is stable enough for my server. I'm still running 2.2.19 and it's working fine, but I'm looking forward to upgrading some time in the next couple weeks (maybe).
One big thing I'm looking for a fix for (hopefully with the 2.4.x series) is for the SNMP/netstat info to use more than 32 bit integers to store the number of bytes transferred. Mine keeps resetting after 4 GB transferred and over 6 months that would've added up, but right now it resets itself back to zero after it hits the 4 billion byte limit.
Also, the SMP is supposed to be better, but will that really make a difference on a server which does mild web serving, other miscellaneous duties, and who's primary purpose is serving Unreal Tournament games? As of now, it doesn't look like UT takes advantage of both processors, it just uses one...
The readme file in 2.5.0 says:
Linux-2.5.0 is exactly the same as 2.4.15,
except for a version number change.
Subsequent releases diverge, with Marcelo Tosatti
maintaining the stable 2.4.x kernels, while the 2.5.x kernels are for development work.
and looking at the filesizes we find what we expect that
linux-2.5.0.tar. takes up 129 699 840 bytes
linux-2.4.15.tar takes up 129 699 840 bytes
are the same. But if we look at the packed versions
linux-2.5.0.tar.bz2 23 748 963
linux-2.4.15.tar.bz2 23 747 061
A difference of 1902 bytes
linux-2.5.0.tar.gz 29 404 635
linux-2.4.15.tar.gz 29 404 736
A difference of -101 bytes
How come?
That chick that keeps showing up in the Speigel ads on iWon drives me nuts. She ain't all that good looking, but damn I want to nail her every time I see her picture.
Save these pictures and post the links, for the good of all the people here. Except Taco.
Roadkill is yummy.
Damn. Downloaded 2.4.14 over a 56K link yesterday... Well.Patches suck but..
I suppose we realy need all those new kernels on 2 year old pcs?
Most normal pcs don't need this at all.
Unless you're a freak
Assembling etherkillers for fun an profit
Thanx. I just didn't think it was so HTML, so I was thinking there must be some escape keys or something.
There is a new technique called "Don't Click On The Link Of Stories You Don't Want To Read". Apparently it allows people to decide whether they want to read the story just by looking at the headline, and if it says "New Linux Kernel Out", it allows the user to not click the link, thus avoiding the story they didn't want to read. I can't see how this new-fangled "Don't Click The Link" technology could possibly work, but some people say they are very happy with it.
So... has anybody found any bugs on 2.4.15 yet?
...
The ad and Here's the link to the original on the Speigel site.
Must have been a week since I installed 2.4.14 - to long a time :) This will be a nice weekend, I guess.
.13?
What I really want to know: how is ext3 doing? And why is Alan still patching
Hmm, hopefully will be able to leave work early this evening...
Cheers, Lars
I want support for ATAPI/IDE CD Burners. The SCSI emulation solution isn't the best solution I don't think. That's the extent of my wishlist. I'll be happy with whatever else Linus gives us in his infinite wisdom. Anyone else got a wishlist for 2.5.x?
Does anyone know the reason why they haven't included ALSA in the main kernel yet?
I finally switched my Red Hat 7.2 and recompiled KDE with Alsa support, and things are SO MUCH nicer than free-OSS. I can finally use Real Player or Quicktime Player (via CrossOver) seemlessly with KDE. No more fussing with artsdsp to get Real Player to work, or terminate artsd in order for Wine audio to play.
It's probably stable.
But why take my word for it (or anyone else's) - download, compile, install, stress test, use.
If you don't have a test machine - wait a while, read the mailing list, see if anyone reports bad uptime / errors which affect you.
If you're so worried about stability, I don't see any other real option for you. Certainly, it seems naive to consider an 'official' designation of 'stable' sufficient to jump in with both feet. Either test it yourself, or read other peoples reports - there's plenty of them.
My experience? I have had no trouble with the 2.4 series, except for VM probs in 2.4.9 which brought my desktop machine to a short lived pause once or twice. I installed 2.4.13 last night and am hoping Andrea's VM will cure this.
Yours Sincerely, Michael.
For some reason I couldn't get the loopback block device module building in 2.4.14 on my laptop (depmod chocked on undefined symbols)
.29) 3.1.30 pcmcia-cs package there
works again in 2.4.15
There is also a new (at last! almost 4 months since
amixer: Mixer 0/0 open error: Invalid argument
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...reading this I went over to catch up on AC's diary. More human interest than the change log. Got to November 5th and read:
"Windows installation day one. Getting rid of the old windows was easy - they fell apart quite happily, and certainly wont be re-installable anywhere else. "
Blimey, I thought, until I remembered his house is getting done up...
~~~~~ BigLig2? You mean there's another one of me?
In a strict sense its true that the post is "Informative". As informative as if he wrote that Slashdot is usually green, that Rodger Rabbit is a Cartoon and that Bin Laden is evil.
Did I already mention that Bin Laden is evil?
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Live on earth may be expensive, but it includes an annual free trip around the sun!
Curiously trying this patch on a 2.4.13 machine a while back, I found myself in the very unpleasant situation of having about 50% packet loss towards that host (lan where I have absolutely 0% loss regulary)
No-one can explain this, but two very identical setups, only differing by this patch...
Preemptability is just a feature that you can add to your kernel to make kernel threads preemptable (using the in-place SMP infrastructure).
Preemptability is not:
-an attempt to fix a bug in linux or make linux more stable
-a way to make Linux slightly more advanced than MacOS
-Something that is desperately needed
Preemptability is:
-A way to make processes that have long execution threads inside the kernel not take away from higher priority user-space threads (priority is not the same as niceness).
So PLEASE, lets stop this bandying about of "preemptability" when you know not of what you speak.
Quick question: I was wondering why there is so much fuss about this KBuild thing, and why there is going to be so much time / resouces spent on it in 2.5. I have never had a problem with the current kernel config, and find it quite intuitive (make xconfig especially). I can think of many more things which I would think deserve a higher priority than this. Someone care to enlighten me?
Why is Marcelo Tosatti maintaining the 2.4.x tree?
Is Alan Cox still tied up in 2.2.x maintenance or is he just tired of maintaining stable trees?
Anyone know more about this guy?
I know he's been a kernel hacker for a long time and has done some work with linux-ha project.
Fatal: Label "2415-greased-turkey" is too long
While it's easy enough to fix (edit lilo.conf), I bet this is going to cause problems for someone.
really, I am.
/boot/vmlinuz and System.map into /boot/System.map, and move your old vmlinuz and System.map to vmlinuz.old and System.map.old, then reran lilo.
but anyway, last I checked "make install" put bzImage into
Never used make bzlilo myself. Sounds like one of those features of the kernel you really shouldn't use, but some people do, and if you do use it you should really know what you're doing, but I guess that should be true of anyone compiling their own kernel.
I submitted the same story 3 hours prior, only to have it rejected. What the fuck is wrong with you people? Moreover, more often than not, I can't log on from Netscape/Linux; I have to use IE6 from windows for chrisakes.
I had some free time after stuffing my face with Greased Turkey(tm), so I compiled 2.4.15-pre8 for ext3 support. Then, when I got to work this morning, I found out that Linus had not only released 2.4.15, but also 2.5! Damn, damn, damn!
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
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And what happens if you have three versions: x, y, and z
y has an extra variable in struct a from x
z has an extra variable in struct a from x
You upgrade from x -> z
What happens?
In the case of the Linux kernel we have maintaince and development.
Major changes in structure and systems are made in development, with drivers added as well.
Maintaince is bugfixes and drivers.
That's it.
The reason that 2.5 didn't open sooner is that the 2.4 series was not stable enough for the maintainer's taste. Now that it is, active development (rather than maintaince) will continue.
Desperation is a stinky cologne
The advantage is that we probably get the most obscure unames ever: Linux issan 2.4.13-benh+xfs+ipsec-snap+irda-hotfix #1
Because there are lots and lots and lots of people like *me* who are pleased that Slashdot keep track of the kernel releases.
What's your problem? If you don't see the point in it, don't open up the bloody article. If costs you what
You're in the minority here pal, accept it and move on. Better still, edit your preferences and screen out the stuff you don't like. That's why they are there!
It's actually not emulation, but transport. ATAPI is actually SCSI, implemented on top of IDE. Remember those parallel port zip drives? They are SCSI over parallel port. SCSI "emulation" simply lets userspace apps talk to the devices in their "native" tounge.
Desperation is a stinky cologne
sheesh. 2.4 to 2.5 and not a single change.
Got friends?
Thats why microsoft called windows 4.0 95!
Kbuild is the new Makefile system. As you said "make dep" is reliable, faster compiles (search google for "recursive makefiles harmful", more parallelism in the make (same recursive makefile problem), easier for developers to use.
CML2 is the rule system for features to be compiled into the kernel. The rule solver is built in python.I am a perl guy, but I see no problem with this. Unified text, curses, and GUI configurator. The problem it solves is it is possible to compile a kernel with features requiring subsystems like SysV IPC, but not actually having SysV IPC included in the kernel build.
These efforts are complementary. Makefiles are the low level rules to compile code and CML2 is the high level rules for whole features/subsystems.
-- I am not a fanatic, I am a true believer.
It seems that a patch against 2.4.15-pre9 was released, but the web page wasn't updated. You can get it from here. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml/ preempt-kernel/2.4/
thanks for that info, you saved my day :)
* Raw access to block devices (DB work)
Can anyone say "cache coherency". I knew you could. FreeBSD had this but removed it a year ago because it's impossible (and would defeat the purpose of raw access) to keep the buffer/cache aware of what's going on.
* Block layer redesign (scsi, ide, etc)
Try, oh try again. So this will be the third scsi layer in the 2.x series? Hopefully it will be done right this time.
While we are talking about incompatible kernel patches, please be aware that ALSA 0.5.12 does not work under 2.4.15. You need to get the CVS version, as described here. ALSA 0.5.12 compiles, but does not work.
Don't forget that Linux NFS is perpetually broken and outdated. I believe there will be another NFS rewrite for Linux 2.5.
...) for Linux 2.5, does that mean Linux is really great or just really sucky?
With so many compete rewrites planned (VM, SCSI, VFS, NFS,
cpeterso
Later versions of the -ac kernel contain an ext3 bug that causes frequent kernel panics. This bug is introduced into the linus kernel in 2.4.15-pre2 and fixed in 2.4.15-pre8. Bottom line: ext3 users should use 2.4.15/2.5.0, not 2.4.13-ac8.
Yeah, I think I'd fuck it.
Roadkill is yummy.
(but true)
(dirty data does not get written onu nmount)
Copy from linux-kernel mail (by Alexander Viro)
Again, as a workaround - sync before umount (and don't boot
unpatched 2.4.15/2.4.15-pre9 again, obviously).
Breakage happens when you umount filesystem (_any_ local filesystem, be
it ext2, reiserfs, whatever) that still has dirty inodes.
IOW, if you are running 2.4.15 - build a patched kernel, install it and
do the following:
* switch to single-user
* sync
* umount everything non-buys
* remount the rest read-only
* turn the thing off
* boot with patched kernel or with anything before 2.4.15-pre9
I have been trying to figure out how the pre-release kernel patches are applied. I have tried using the patch-kernel script to no avail. Are they patches against the previous prerelease, or the previous release?
For those of you actually compiling in ext3 support, you're going to need the new ext2 / ext3 tools (1.25) which adds support for ext3 filesystems. Then you should run:
tune2fs -j (device)
for each device, to add ext3 journaling to existing ext2 partitions.
There is file system corruption bug in the 2.4.15
Here is a description a what to do if you are running 2.4.15 already. And here is the cure.
Hello,
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1 00 655058402225&w=2
1 00 655322609664&w=2
It looks like this may be another BPB - Brown Paper Bag - 2.4 kernel release.
There is already a patch available though from Al Viro.
I believe Al can say it best. Here he is replying to war on LKML:
Damn this junk removal feature. I could've quoted if it didn't have trouble with ">"!! Grr.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=
References:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=
Patch:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=
There: Something at a specific location.
Their: Owned by someone.
Please make sure your english compiles.
A bug in the inode handling of 2.4.15 can leave stale inodes (unremovable files) when a filesystem is unmounted. The problem exists for all filesystem types. Do not use 2.4.15-pre9 and 2.4.15-final and wait for the patch.
Al Viro on linux-kernel: Sigh... Supposed fix to problems with stale inodes was completely broken.
What we need is "if we are doing last iput() on fs that is getting shut, sync it and don't leave it in cache". And yes, we have a similar path in iput(). Similar, but not quite the same.
Al Viro on linux-kernel:Breakage happens when you umount filesystem (_any_ local filesystem, be it ext2, reiserfs, whatever) that still has dirty inodes.
IOW, if you are running 2.4.15 - build a patched kernel, install it and do the following:
* switch to single-user
* sync
* umount everything non-busy
* remount the rest read-only
* turn the thing off
* boot with patched kernel or with anything before 2.4.15-pre9
Russel King on linux-kernel: I think 2.4.15-greased-turkey should be renamed to 2.4.15-dead-duck. 8)
According to openwall, the non-exec stack and other security patches so useful in 2.0.x and 2.2.x are finally on the way to 2.4.x, giving you that extra bit of protection. Of course, it looks like it will have its own beta period, but those patches protected my 2.0.x box for quite a while from 0-day exploits, and let it manage a full year of uptime at one point despite dozens of users and a bunch of services (including the ever-dangerous wu-ftpd).
as most of you lkml reading people surely noticed: 2.4.15 corrupts data when you unmount a filesystem (for example when rebooting), it doesn't do a sync before the umount.
Back out to 2.4.15-pre8 to avoid it. Or find the patch on lkml.
Hope it helps to avoid problems for some.
Ever looked in the Documentation directory recently?
It's a MESS.
Ever noticed other documentation spread out through the Linux source tree? Yeah, it's a mess too.
I'd have a stab at cleaning the Documentation tree up so that it mirrors the layout of the rest of the source tree if only there was a hope in hell of Linus accepting the patch and integrating it in.
Heck, I didn't like it when I immediately had to patch 2.4.14 due to the problem of loopback. Now I wonder when I will finally be able to upgrade my HP NetServer with a Cyclades PC300 with *one* kernel.
I see 57005 people
These days, many writers of buffer overflow exploits (the *only* exploit that a non-exec stack could possibly save you from, in case you didn't know) assume that vulnerable software is running with a non-exec stack, and code around it. Non-exec stack patches may have saved you from the 'kiddies in the past, but they afford no protection in 2001, although it certainly doesn't hurt your security so long as Assumption #0 is that the 'kiddies won't even be slowed down by it.
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No one, least of all me, said that a non-exec stack was all you needed to keep a box safe. However, it is still useful to have, and contains a variety of other useful patches, just as restricted access to /proc and some things to avoid games in /tmp, like symlinks to other system files, etc. Nonetheless, there's also such a plethora of buffer overruns available, and they are still common, probably because there is so much "example" code available, and smashing the stack is easier to code than trying to heap overrun malloc'd values or whatever a would-be exploiter might choose to do. Furthermore, many exploits that make it into the wild begin as proof-of-concepts, and therefore START as buffer overflows, since the writer has no intention of cracking anything. Several buffer exploits have been out in 2001. If you buy yourself any extra time, it is a patch well-applied, and the other features may be useful depending on the system.
Alternately, a lock on your house door won't protect you from a burglar (the *only* entry that a lock will stop is a standard check-for-open-door entry, in case you didn't know), so you can have a lock on your door, as long as Assumption #0 is that the lock won't even slow down a burglar.
You aren't supposed to use block and character devices for the same device at the same time!
;)
You have the raw device ignore the buffer cache. If you must switch between block and char devices (unlikely), use the block device, then flush it before any access to the character device (unless it already has been flushed).
Just because using raw char devices messes up the block device cache isn't a reason to remove the feature. It is a reason to NOT MISUSE the feature.
Do your light sockets have anything in them designed to keep your tougue out of them?
Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
If you try to cut and paste from the mailing list archives, you'll probably have spaces instead of tabs in the patch, causing patch to choke on it. I've put a tabbed patch up here.
Cool. It's just that there are quite a few people out there who think that having a non-exec stack is some sort of magic pixie dust that will guard against all buffer overflows, and I felt obliged to point it out in case you were one of them (which you obviously aren't).
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