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Wil Wheaton playing for EFF
Quintin Stone (and every other Slashdot reader on the planet) writes: "Wil Wheaton is among the many Star Trek actors on tonight's Weakest Link, except that the charity he's playing for is the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Though so far he's been doing well." CD: I don't want to give away the ending, many people have yet to see the show.
wait so was this like, just on then? the website said sun/mon at 8. did we all miss out?
slashdot: where everyone yells sarcastic metaphors to themselves to understand the issue
well i didnt get to see it but i'm sure he prolly just read all the answers off his VISOR. cheah i'll find out when i download it off of the morpheus.
slashdot: where everyone yells sarcastic metaphors to themselves to understand the issue
I enjoyed watching the show (WL), but I've gotta ask: Was Roxann just putting on an act, or is she truly as much of a colossal bitch as she seemed? My jaw dropped when watching her "exiting interrogation".
I only post comments when someone on the internet is wrong.
This time....but since the star trek series love using random plot devices to go back in time, there is a good chance that there will be a rematch in an alternative NBC gameshow time line where wil wheaton wins.
I have to admit I was impressed by the amount of money the star trek cast members racked up....they but every other weakest link team to shame.
-jef"I can do anything...its in a book...take a look...the reading rainbow"
Anyone want to tell for those of us who can't stand the show?
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Spoiler, If you didn't watch yet:
Wil did pretty well. Made it to being one of the last three people (Robert Picardo And LeVar Burton went on, LeVar won), and I think he could have taken Robert. LeVar was pretty sharp, though.
Also, it was good to see the EFF on a more 'Mainstream' medium. Go Wil!
What was with Roxanne? She was honestly out to get Wil at first, and she just seemed like a real bitch, otherwise.
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Anyone do a DIVX of it? I'd love to watch it, but I'm in Oz so we just get the stupid local version...
...this is getting out of hand
It's all an act, she's done a few things before the weakest link on British TV where she wasn't a bitch.
She was on 'The Daily Show' as well last week (?), making fun of the show and herself.
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What charity did Levar play for? And everyone doing the FT!!! OMG FT!!! please stop its annoying.
Carpe meam simiam!
an AC telling us Levar won?
lemme guess... "But you dont have to take MY word for it!" buh bum BUM
slashdot: where everyone yells sarcastic metaphors to themselves to understand the issue
Gotta say, Wil, that bowling shirt was cool.
But since I already sent email to that effect, I guess I'm (-1: Redundant).
-l
Heh heh... and to think that just a week or two ago, I posted a comment telling how much I hated his character in Star Trek. Especially in that episode where they go to some planet where the penalty for any crime, no matter how small, is death, and he runs into a glass thing and then there's a whole bunch of politics going on to try and get him out of it. But if he's donating to the EFF, it's all good dog.
No, this isn't really an apology. I still think his character was a moron.
Oh well.
Interesting that he's backing the EFF, on a show presented on american TV which is no doubt behind the DMCA which has Sklyarov in jail. By the way, his hearing date was set today.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
The few exceptions tend to be those episodes that are made up of celebrities from a similar background. They're generally all independently wealthy, so aren't driven by personal gain. In addition, they've all got "personal history" between them which often leads them to vote off other players without regards to what would give them the best chances of winning.
It's nice to see the EFF getting national publicity though, as I'm a paying member myself.
In all, though, when I watch game shows (not often) I tend to watch Jeopardy for the reasons stated above.
"No, no, no. Don't tug on that. You never know what it might be attached to."
Would you actually WATCH the show if she wasn't a total bitch? Seriously, that's the best part of the show: watching her chew out the contestants.
Does it make you happy you're so strange?
I'm pretty certain I didn't submit it as an "Ask Slashdot" category, but it's possible it was a slip up on my part. If it was, my apologies.
"Prejudice is wrong; you should hate everyone the same."
Way to go Wil, you deserve success !
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
According to the disclaimer screen at the end of the show, all of the charities get at least $10,000. So, even though Wil lost, EFF still gets some money. Besides, the free publicity that Wil just gave EFF is probably worth much more than the donation.
Everyone also got paid union scale to appear on the show, so Wil got a few bucks out of the deal, as well.
Roxanne. What was with her? Umm, honey, he wasn't hitting on you. He's married.
Also, apparently the Star Trek cast made the most of any team yet, 167, 000. Wil was pretty damn good, too. Loved the shirt.
All of the contestants seemed to pretty much rock at one time or another on the questions... much better than on the average celebrity game show. LeVar Burton mentioned something about $167,500 being some sort of Weakest Link record.
Just in case anyone was wondering, here are the contestants:
Wil Wheaton (ST:TNG)
LeVar Burton (ST:TNG)
Robert Picardo (ST:VOY)
Denise Crosby (ST:TNG)
Roxann Dawson (ST:VOY)
John DeLancie (ST:TNG,DS9,VOY)
William Shatner (ST:TOS)
Armin Shimerman (ST:DS9)
It's not offtopic, it's a damn good quetion. When Roxann (Engineer B'Elanna Torres from Voyager) was voted off, she put on a bit of a hissy fit in the "exit interview". She especially singled out Wil Wheaton for "hitting on her" when he knew her husband would be watching.
"Prejudice is wrong; you should hate everyone the same."
If the EFF worked with corporations to offer payroll deductions like the United Way does, I'd be happy to donate a portion of my salary to the EFF. It really was a pleasant surprise to see Wil ("that's one L!") playing for that charity.
Thanks a LOT dude!
Your subject line didn't have to start with "will lost"
dork
It didn't, it said "wil lost"
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Where in the hell was Spock? Why wasn't he on?
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
Yeah, freedom is not nearly as important as children.
Not.
Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
Actually this tends to confirm a theory I have- the coolest/healthiest/sanest people out there are those who HAVE to be, because they learned the hard way. I think Wil definitely illustrates this- if you get heavy into being not only a Hollywood teenager, but are also saddled with being Wesley Crusher, you'll get off to a really bad start- and then, unlike most people, you have to _really_ grow up.
That's my theory, anyway, for explaining how Wil Wheaton turned out to be one of the cooler humans I've ever seen. Keep it up my ex-starfleet friend :)
If you ever get the chance to see the episode of TWL that starred Ben Stein (Host of game show 'Win Ben Stein's Money'), you might just be surprised.
TWL's host said something to the affect of "Well, Ben, you're supposed to be quite smart at trivia on your own show, but you're playing a very average game today."
Ben Stein mockingly mumbled whines perfect in time with her syllables, and while she covered her face, I swear she was cracking up underneath.
"You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help" -- Calvin
The EFF is fighting for our freedom, one of the most important and central issues in the world. Women's Rights, Human Rights, Children's Rights, these are all worthy and important issues. They all have on thing in common: they need freedom to make progress.
Dr. Evil should get out and date more.. how about Anne Robinson.
The contestants acquited themselves well, but Q took a powder early on.
Denise was obviously the crowds favorite and had the entire soundstage bidding her a rousing farewell... even Anne!
Bill was Bill, with a little Kirk thrown in.
Armin was a great sport.
Bob Picardo was a genius, WoW some of the questions he answered floored me.
Levar pulled some of the most amazing answers out of thin air and even wow'ed Bob.
Wil though was a true geek and seemed a team leader, doing verbal duets with Anne til the end.. of course we all know who got the last word..
I'd say Wil was more a brash younger captain serving as the instigator of the Clash, while cooler more intellectual minds eventually had to finish the game. How Weslean.. ~~
The dynamics and interplay, of which there was surprisingly a good lot, seemed truly like a missing Trek episode.. some years down the road I wonder if it will turn up in an Anthology of Trek stories.. the one where real characters from the Trek Universe get mixed up with actors in a Game show Universe.
Wil really seems to be over his "I am Not Spock" phase and resumed being a human being with a wicked alter-ego.. imagine a twisted Wesley with revenge on his mind, true brillance, and a good dialogue coach.. Eee Gads..
But throwing in his chances with the EFF, you just gotta admire him for that.
Roxane? what of Roxane?
Could it be some evil entity of denial that body hops from person to person shortly after a Trek series is over? Is it Roxane's turn to play "I am Not Banal Balanna, the Klingon"
John "Q" DeLancy, unfortunately. Chrisd actually trimmed out the comment in my submission where I lamented that he was the first to go, since he was my favorite.
"Prejudice is wrong; you should hate everyone the same."
"children" is a charity? where are they based?
I am sure Children can stand to lose ten grand in favour of our geeky rights. This whole "my charity is better than your charity" business is just rubbish.
sic transit gloria mundi
For those interested, the former record holders are listed here.
The parent comment is a great overview of the episode. MOD IT UP!!! :)
I have to agree with this. With starvation-related deaths in Afghanistan (conceivably going over a million) as just the most obvious example, there are better ways to spend the money. Sure, the EFF is cool. General human rights is even cooler. But... let's keep people from dying of things like starvation, disease, and our own political expediency before we worry too much about their rights - or ours.
Wil, I like ya - I really do. I just have to wonder, though - if you had a million dollars to invest on a cause, why you'd pick the EFF. I hope it wasn't just because of some 31337 haxor image or something...
Disaster and famine relief organizations (I'm thinking Mercy Corps, not the Red Cross), Doctors Without Borders, CARE, and UNICEF have relatively low administrative overheads (Mercy Corps claims 5%!) and work to stop people from dying. If slashdotters want to concentrate on helping people at home, plenty of homeless shelters and havens for abused and/or addicted women and children, not to mention any number of cancer and disease societies and, yes, famine relief organizations in almost every city, also are desperate for funding.
Get off my launchpad!
In order to truly help these countries, we must provide them with a model upon which to build. If the free world (not just US) can provide this example, then that is a worthy goal. No amount of free giving will solve the causes of those problems; they will just temporarily alleviate the suffering.
To sum it up: there is no point helping someone survive starvation, war, or any other form of suffering, if all you do is buy them a life of slavery. That is why freedom is important.
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Funny that you mention that. The place I work has an 'employee giving campaign' and a list of charities that they consider 'acceptable'. After I looked through the list and didn't find the EFF, I wrote it in for a $20 a month contribution. Surprisingly, I received a notification that my contribution would start in January without any problem at all. Extra cool, since they match any donation by 15%. :)
-- Give me ambiguity or give me something else!
Wil Wheaton, the EFF, gobs and gobs of money.
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I guess those years of Reading Rainbow really paid off...
Maybe it's because the Red Freakin' Cross has so much money they don't know what to do with it. Maybe it's because any dolt can understand "it's for the children!" and see the point in supporting it. Maybe it's because so few people GET how important the EFF is and Wil wanted to point that out. Maybe it's because he was playing for what was important to him...his freedom. Note that all the things you note (homeless shelters, havens for abused people, etc.) are large recipients of governmental funds. Maybe he picked the EFF instead of one of those other charities because no one is trying to pass any bills in Congress to make it easier to harass women or abuse children but a whole bunch of people just voted to eliminate some of your electronic freedoms.
Feel free to think Wil's wrong...I don't want to invalidate your opinion; just wanted to give you some food for thought. You work for what you think is important and the rest of us will do likewise and hopefully we can make the world a little better. I just hate to see everyone's efforts concentrated on the obvious problems. We've got 6 billion people in the world...it's not like we don't have enough effort to go around.
Defining the rules by which technology will affect society (including children, women, et al) seems like something important. Particularly since that will define what rights, human or not, they will have in the future.
To put things in perspective, what helped the most to eliminate starvation since the industrial revolution? Industrialization and the modernization of society, or the civil and religious charities for the poor?
Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4, everything else follows...
What is life (not dying of starvation)
without rights?
Were that I say, pancakes?
We should never give any money to any organization that helps anybody but women and children. Let's immediately cut all government funding and donations to art, science, politics, education...everything.
So, you don't have any worldly possessions -- you live in a cardboard box and use the Internet thanks to the generosity of passing laptop-and-802.11b-bearing strangers. You are a model to all of us!
-Waldo Jaquith
THE WEAKEST LINK - STAR TREK EDITION - 11/26/2001
The Team: 1. Wil Wheaton
2. LeVar Burton
3. Robert Picardo
4. Denise Crosby
5. Roxann Dawson
6. John DeLancie
7. William Shatner
8. Armin Shimerman
Round 1: $17,000 banked
Strongest: Crosby - Weakest: DeLancie
Votes: Dawson 2 (Wheaton, Shatner), DeLancie 2 (Burton, Crosby), Shatner 2 (Picardo, Shimerman), Wheaton 1 (Dawson), Picardo 1 (DeLancie)
Crosby elects to remove DeLancie
Round 2: $13,500 banked (total $30,500)
Strongest: Picardo - Weakest: Shatner
Votes: Shatner 3 (Burton, Picardo, Shimerman), Crosby 2 (Wheaton, Shatner), Wheaton 1 (Dawson), Dawson 1 (Crosby)
Shatner removed
Round 3: $2,500 banked (total $33,000)
Strongest: Burton - Weakest: Crosby
Votes: Dawson 4 (Wheaton, Burton, Picardo, Shimerman), Wheaton 1 (Crosby), Shimerman 1 (Dawson)
Dawson removed
Round 4: $14,500 banked (total $47,500)
Strongest: Picardo - Weakest: Shimerman
Votes: Crosby 4 (Wheaton, Burton, Picardo, Shimerman), Shimerman 1 (Crosby)
Crosby removed
Round 5: $25,000 banked (total $72,500)
Strongest: Picardo - Weakest: Shimerman
Votes: Shimerman 3 (Wheaton, Burton, Picardo), Wheaton 1 (Shimerman)
Shimerman removed
Round 6: $25,000 banked (total $97,500)
Strongest: Burton - Weakest: Wheaton
Votes: Wheaton 2 (Burton, Picardo), Picardo 1 (Wheaton)
Wheaton removed
Round 7: $35,000 X2 banked (total $167,500*)
Strongest: Picardo
Final: Picardo starts, Burton wins 4-3
* - According to comments made by Burton, "They say it's a record."
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You're right, it's not a charity. It's an activist organization. And it's worth more than almost any charity. It's for improving the future instead of putting a bandaid on the present.
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While most celebrities compete for whose charity supports children that are suffering more, it is refreshing to see one person support an organization with a philosophical agenda that he identifies with. I'm sure most celebrities' publicists would have reccommended that they avoid charities like the EFF because their opposition to draconian surveillance technologies stands in stark contrast to the prevailing public opinion.
/. who support the EFF: how do you respond to their opposition of content control/digital rights management? If so, how would you respond to your colleagues who claim that it will impair their ability to support themselves as artists?
One question for Wil or any aspiring entertainers on
I recall that Wil was booed at a Star Trek convention many years ago and vowed never never to speak at such a convention again. However, his commitment to civil liberties and his young age/ability to relate to an audience of college students would make him an ideal guest for the college lecture circuit. I know of at least one organization on my campus that would be willing to sponsor a guest like Wil and I'm certain that similar organizations at other Universities would also be accomodating. The money may not be as good as an Star Trek convention, but he would certainly receive a better reception than he did at the Star Trek convention and he would have the opportunity to use his celebrity to advance his ideology.
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This sounds like it could be a cool episode of WL, but alas I'll never see it in .au. Anyone want to create a digital copy and post it somewhere ?
The thing that is stupid about Weakest Link is that people are penalized for not knowing EVERY single question. I mean, how retarded is that? In every game show I've ever seen there has always been a way to defer one or two questions on subjects you don't know. Jeopardy you get to pick the category. Millionaire you get the lifelines.
Weakest Link is stupid because it is completely random luck. You either get asked what color is clover or who invented the little plastic thing that holds the ends of your shoelaces together. This forces people to become paranoid and bank at ridiculously low levels. Most people barely let the pot hit $5000 before yelling "BANK!"
Here's how it should work:
Answering the question right adds a link and increases the pot. Answer the question wrong and the pot disappears completely. Say "BANK" (or "PASS" or whatever) and the pot gets banked and resets to zero and play moves onto the next person.
That way, the bank has a real chance to grow. So it costs more money, boo hoo hoo. Millionaire gives away more in a single night than Weakest Link does in a week. It is just plain anti-climatic to see someone fight his way through this whole Darwinian process only to walk away with the paltry sum of $30,000 and change.
- JoeShmoe
-- I wonder which will go down in history as the bigger failure: the War on Drugs or the War on Filesharing
Well, slashdot posted the info 13 minutes after the show ended here (8pm). Searching tvguide.com and tv.yahoo.com shows that particular episode as not airing again.
Anyone have any idea if it will air again or maybe someone who captured it to mpeg or something?
I really wanted to see it.
Geoffeg
I'm humming the theme song.
Mod that guy up as funny.
Freedom for your children is as important as freedom and children put together.
--Blair
Your comments reflect a common sentiment, but it's not logical to take that position. Here's why:
1) First statement (yours) summed up neatly: why play for charity A when charity B appears to address a more pressing need. That is where you stopped thinking about it and reached a conclusion.
2) The conclusion was premature: one can go further - why play for charity B when charity C is addressing an even more pressing need. But that's not the end of it either.
3) The set of all charities is finite, meaning that if you continually favor the charity that address the more important need, then eventually you will find THE charity that addresses the MOST important need. That is where you stop. Give them your money.
4) Unfortunately, that situation leads to starvation. If you accept the first idea as true, (the one that you offered) then only one charity can logically be funded. Obviously, this is a far worse situation than we intended,
5) Therefore, we must reject the original premise as leading to an undesirable outcome, and therefore flawed for purposes of efficiently distributing money to charity.
The insult "get a life" is similarly flawed. At the end of the chain of thinking, one must live as the finest human being ever, and to be any lesser earns the "get a life" smackdown. One could offer my argument that I gave above as a logical retort. Or, one could simply offer a middle finger and a "hearty colloquialism".
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Well, it's 9:27PM in the Mountain Time Zone right now.
THE SHOW IS HALFWAY THROUGH.
It isn't Eastern time everywhere in the world, despite what New Yorkers tell you.
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yet another person who does not have the brain capacity necessary to identify a joke or the definition of sexual harrassment. And now we know why reality TV is raking it in...because fiction requiring some sort of imagination and creativity is a position with a vacancy sign on it. Either writers are getting dumber and lazier or the audience is getting too dense to fathom fiction... *sigh*
When it comes to charity, it's not about who or what is the better organization, but that someone cares enough to donate to the cause at all. In the current political climate, my personal charity would be donating to wither the NYFD or to an organization benefiting those starving and freezing in Afhanistan. Wil chose the EFF, a worthy organization. Not my choice presently but I respect his choice. Will you made it to the final three! Way to go!
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In the previews they showed Anne Robinson saying, "Whose phaser is set on stupid?" I didn't see that one in the aired version.
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Sure, the EFF is cool. General human rights is even cooler. But... let's keep people from dying of things like starvation, disease, and our own political expediency before we worry too much about their rights - or ours.
Don't fall into this trap. A perfect "Brave New World" society complete with decanted babies and forced euthanasia for the elderly would give us a "Utopia" of sorts. Sure we wouldn't be able to think or act how we wish, we would not be able to choose our occupations or our friends, we couldn't raise our practice our own religions, but there would be no suffering, no disease, no starvation, no murders...
Worst case scenario, if we completely give up on helping the poor and wretched, and instead focus on our freedoms, the next generation of us can still come back and help them someday. However, if we give up our freedoms now to help those in need, our children won't find it so easy to win them back...
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
This was the first time I've even seen the show, but I don't think I'll watch it again. I mean, what's up with using the questions to hawk merchandise?! They advertised hamburgers, cars, pantyhose, not to mention plugging the network's other shows...is nowhere safe from the almighty advertising dollar?
But in any case, Wil rocked, and major cool points for choosing the EFF!
Here are his comments copied:
Aw, Crap
I did this interview with Entertainment Weekly Online, to support the Star Trek Weakest Link...I know, it was risky, considering how brilliantly objective and reasoned their last story about me was...but I was assured by NBC, and by the guy who did the interview, that it was a different medium (Website vs. Print) and it would be okay....
So here's the article...which is fine, except for "Crusher Crushed"...c'mon, how many times have we heard that?
Anyway, here's the deal: I'm really scared about how this is going to come off. I'm not allowed to talk about the outcome of the show, so I'll walk a very slim line here, while I try to explain some stuff.
I made a choice, when I went to play the show. I decided that I'd really play with Anne Robinson, and really go head to head with her, and never back down. Even though that's not really my style, I thought it would be fun, and it was...but I'm really nervous, because, at the end of the show, one of the producers came up to me and said, "You're really arrogant, aren't you?"
I was stunned. Ask anyone...I'm lots of things, but I'm not arrogant. But I played it snotty with her, because I was playing with her at her own game, you know? So I begged them to please be thoughtful when they edit the show, because if they make me out to be a huge dick, it could REALLY hurt my career. All of a sudden, the guy who you used to love from TV and Movies has grown up, and he's grown up to be a huge dick.
Perfect. Can I take your order? How about a nice Iced Tea to start, sir?
But here's the thing that I'm really, really upset about: Roxann Dawson, who I don't know at all, was, apparently very offended by something I said on the show. Here's the quote from EW:
So, I feel just terrible. I don't know her, at all, and she seemed very nice to me, and I am really upset that she felt like I was rude to her, and that I was coming on to her, because nothing could be further from the truth.
I doubt it, but if Roxanne reads this, I want her to know that I meant absolutely no disrespect, at all. I am truly, truly sorry for that.
I just feel awful, and I've put in calls to my Star Trek friends, so I can phone her myself, and apologize to her.
*sigh*
Roxanne may have come off as a bitch, but Wil came off as a obnoxious prima-donna (And there is a problem with prima-donnas in the geek world).
Wil was playing a joke on Roxanne and it backfired on him. You can tell he felt guilty by the way he backed off the obnoxious act in later rounds and in his exit review.
While we all know he was joking, his timing and maturity was way off. Unfortunately, his behavior just reinforced some very negative geek sterotypes: obnoxious, immature, rude to women.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
I was about 30 seconds late tuning in and missed the first two introductions. As a result, I didn't find out about Wil's charity until I saw it here. I wonder how many hundreds of thousands more people might have found out about the EFF had Wil been on the other end of the stage... Too bad he didn't use his exit interview to plug the cause again.
Been trying to view his web page for awhile, but with little luck, then got this:
:).
"WIL WHEATON DOT NET
is temporarily closed, due to exceedingly high traffic.
The moose out front should have told you.
Please check back later today."
How pretentious to keep using that one L though
Can see this at the server room, with Picard being at the helm:
Picard:"Wesley, why is the server inaccessible! Is it the Borg?"
Wesley:"Not quite captain, but something that can be just as devastating; we seem to be under some form of attack from all these user, probably something to do with..."
[Interruption from Picard and in a stern voice]
Picard:"You ended up having the server address on Slashdot again didn't you!?!"
Wesley:"Errr, yes Captain, But"
[another interruption from Picard]
Picard:"Put up some form of close sign and report to my private quarters, where I can give you a good form of justice you naughty little boy".
Wesley:"Ummm, yes Captain, but..."
[Interruption from Picard]
Picard:"Report there in 20 minutes, no excuses and no buts. Picard out"
Wesley:"Oh darn, don't like the sound of this".
Oh Christ, not again. If every damn dollar isn't spent preventing people from starving, then it's wasted. That's certainly an easy moral position to take, isn't it?
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I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
This was probably mentioned before but according to Wil's weblog (down at the moment so I can't provide a proper link), he was talking with Burton on the set and Burton got him hooked up with a role in Star Trek X.
Round 1: $17,000 banked
Strongest: Crosby - Weakest: DeLancie
Votes: Dawson 2 (Wheaton, Shatner), DeLancie 2 (Burton, Crosby), Shatner 2 (Picardo, Shimerman), Wheaton 1 (Dawson), Picardo 1 (DeLancie)
Crosby elects to remove DeLancie
Round 2: $13,500 banked (total $30,500)
Strongest: Picardo - Weakest: Shatner
Votes: Shatner 3 (Burton, Picardo, Shimerman), Crosby 2 (Wheaton, Shatner), Wheaton 1 (Dawson), Dawson 1 (Crosby)
Shatner removed
If the above is correct, before he (Shatner) got voted off, Wil and William Shatner voted for the same people. In the first round they voted for Roxann Dawson, and in the second round, they both voted for Denise Crosby. OK, Wil, what's the story? :-)
If all you have are silver bullets, everything looks like a werewolf.
Certainly that is not EVERYONE's situation over there, but when you let your government push you around long enough, sooner or later your freedoms have all been taken away, and you too are wishing some filthy rich soul halfway around the world wasn't so busy defending his own rights in his own country so that he could spare you a warm meal.
One of us! One of us!
When you get on The Weakest Link, then you can decide where you want your money to go. I have to say I agree with all the other people--the EFF is an important foundation, now more than ever, what with the terrorist backlash seriously threatening our civil liberties. It's not just about whether we can watch DVDs on Linux, you know.
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Where's "+10, God's Almighty Word" when you need it?
This is one of the best displays of sarcastic logic I've seen in quite a while.
Well, Troi was there for a reason.
If anything impressed me on that show, it was that Armin Shimerman really came off as a class act.
To be honest, I'd never really thought about the human inside that all that makeup before, and somehow I assumed if there were a person he'd be about 4 feet tall.
But he was a real live person. And he managed to be funny, modest, engaging, and do a fair job with the questions too. Really put everyone else to shame. This was my first time watching the show... between Shatner's hamming, Roxann's childish tantrum, and Wheaton's ill-conceived schtick, I was starting to figure that all these actor people are idiots when nobody's around to make sure they stick to a script (okay, no complaints about the two finalists, they seemed sharp and decent too - but Levar, "600"??).
"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
I'm not being cynical - I was looking especially for the spoilers, since I haven't ever seen those celebrity Weakest Link shows on TV in my country.. (insert default curse about USA-mindedness of Slashdot here)
Thanks!
So, NBC is now going to donate $10,000 to the EFF. Does anyone else find this kinda funny? :)
And that wink she does at the end of the show to hint to the audience "it's all in good fun" is just creepy.
The Star Trek one is the first episode I have bothered to sit through since the first time I saw it. I would watch it more, because it is a fun concept for a game show, except she annoys the hell out of me.
I think that the dramatic tention that the show's format seems to be trying to cultivate would be much higher if the host was very calm and sympathetic. If I were producing the show, I would offer the job to Peter Faulk (of "Columbo" fame).
To each his own, I guess.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
if you had a million dollars to invest on a cause, why you'd pick the EFF
When it's *your* million dollars, you get to pick where to spend it.
Personally, I'm very happy that people like John Gilmore are spending millions of dollars to fight for my liberty.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
If every damn dollar isn't spent preventing people from starving, then it's wasted. That's certainly an easy moral position to take, isn't it?
Not really, if a pair of these people generate more than a pair of offspring in an area that can't support it, and if this pair represents an average you can say its just making the problem worse.
A pretty gritty moral position there.
Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
As far as I know, Tim Berners-Lee created the WWW at the CERN institute in Switzerland. Now fuck off.
First we have Wil Wheaton on Slashdot, and now Leonard Nimoy!
I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
I didn't submit this story! Therefore, I'm not on the planet, I'm in an incredibly detailed holographic simulation. Wow. I didn't know that before...
Remember, they always have pissed off people at the exit interviews to Weakest Link. It's a given. They always say something like "I hate her" or "I hope they lose!"
I'm sure she got the joke and was playing along.
"sweet dreams are made of this..."
Wil: Unfortunately, you did come off as an ass... my wife was hoping you'd get axed. I was just glad that Shatner got culled. His antics were... painful. Congrats on going as far as you did... and nice shirt! You gonna start selling those too?
Mr. Ska
I'd gladly fork out 100$ for a dinner at a convetion center, if lessig was speaking. If he did a dinner a night and traveled from city to citry, I suspect it would do a good job of raising money for eff and allow similar minds the ability to get together and discuss ideas and scheme. I think If you were a online business and decided to donate half of your net profits to eff, you'd get alot more business. If it was competiton to cheap bytes, I'm sure people would be willing to pay 1/3 more than cheapbytes pricing, knowing that half the money is going to eff.
Where did I mention any of what you said? I was talking about establishing a country of freedom, not exploiting resources and slaves. Do you understand freedom? Freedom means no slavery. And I never said anything about the American way as the right way. I'm Canadian, and to be perfectly honest, I prefer the state we're in than the US is getting itself into. The point still stands though: we must still fight for our freedoms. We must still spend money defending our rights even while people are starving because there's no use saving someone's life if you sell their soul into slavery.
Higher Logics: where programming meets science.
AFAIK, You are right about Tim Berners-Lee. His WWW runs on a network originally created in the USA.
... my team still holds the record for most $$ banked in one round ($42,500)... And, it should also be noted that "celebrity editions" have considerably simpler questions.
Is it wrong that I am so stoked that I shared a podium with Shatner?
Cory.
Spoilers:
Come to think of it, she voted against Wil twice in the first two rounds, so Wil probably was ticked off and got even on round 3 when she gets voted off...
...that we would have a "terrorist backlash" no matter what we did. This whole mess has been building for decades- even if we did nothing they'd keep at it because they think we are the great evil in the world and disapprove of our way of life in the strongest way.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Shut up, be happy. The conveniences you demanded are now mandatory. -- Jello Biafra
Every so often ths comes up. Its an act. She's acting. Everyone who gets on the WL eventually gets asked that and the answer is always the same.
Occam's Razor: Since sorting by need is inefficient, one should sort by interest.
But isn't this dangerous as interest can be influenced by coercion. Hence, more interest can be found in particulars who are the focus of powerful agents. These agents are able to influence other less powerful agents' interest toward certain particulars to the deteriment of other particulars who have no powerful agents in their corner.
Just muttering... But I will say that PD's post is the best I've seen in a while. Do I get good karma for that?
Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
Wil Wheaton (ST:TNG)
LeVar Burton (ST:TNG)
Robert Picardo (ST:VOY),(ST:TNG) - He was in first contact, remember?
Denise Crosby (ST:TNG)
Roxann Dawson (ST:VOY)
John DeLancie (ST:TNG,DS9,VOY)
William Shatner (ST:TOS)
Armin Shimerman (ST:DS9),(ST:TNG),(ST:VOY) - He played 2 different Feringi on ST, and he was in the first episode of Voyager.
Desperation is a stinky cologne
Ummm.. surely if they're routinely physically abused then the first thing they want if freedom.
:)
The final pool of money is only relevent to an individual player if he or she wins it. If the choice is $10,000 for you or $20,000 for someone else, the obvious choice (from a selfish pov) is to take the $10,000.
Damnit! I was planning on watching it then totaly forgot. Any fellow geek out there have it in MPEG or DivX? If so please email me a URL!
"A coward dies a thousand deaths, the brave but one."
Without the EFF and other organizations fighting for free speech, we would never find out about the suffering children in the first place. Our happy-happy-joy-joy consumerist soceity is geared towards suppressing unpleasant things and anything that takes people's mind off of shopping...
oh, and I'm a right-wing Republican, too. Doesn't stop me from thinking that corporations have bought off our government...and would love to clamp down on free expression when it gets in the way of profits. I applaud Wil for publicizing the EFF.
Other than that, you did really well -- congrats on making it to the final three. Keep up the good work.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
Maybe it's just me, but after the Red Cross were less than forthcoming about what they were going to do with all the money raised to help out the September 11th terrorist attacks and then destroyed excess blood donations instead of passing them on, I have a hard time supporting them.
There are definitely charities that do a lot of good, but I think it's up to each individual to choose how they want to contribute. If someone wants to contribute to the EFF, then at least they're contributing to something.
As for the Red Cross, if they can't handle a national crisis when the country turned to them first and gave so much, then maybe they should step aside and let another organization do it. I helped raise $1,500 through the high school where I teach, and when I found out they weren't going to use all the money for the terrorist attacks, I felt used. Fortunately, they've changed their minds and decided to do the right thing, but I will never ever donate to the Red Cross again, nor will I support them.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -Ghandi
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Gandhi
Worst case scenario, if we completely give up on helping the poor and wretched, and instead focus on our freedoms, the next generation of us can still come back and help them someday.
Not if they're dead.
NO TOUCH MONKEY!
Someone please mod this up, +1, Funny!
If you fall off a building, go real limp, because maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will be like hey, free dummy
I agree with Golias from another thread; Robert and Wil were excellent, but Levar was the man. I'm pretty sure he had a perfect record in the first three rounds. He went 4-1 on the head-to-head (how many notes minimum make a chord). I'm pretty sure he got one wrong in Round 7 (which is to be expected, given that you have something like eight tough questions to answer). And maybe one or two wrong before that. He did miss "10 squared", which I can only guess is him mishearing the question(??). The only reason he wasn't cited as strongest link was because Robert, Wil, Denise, and Armin were also often giving perfect answering records, and were also banking.
Judging from Round 6, if I were in Wil's place, I would've voted for Robert too, simply because I can't vote for myself, and there's no way I'm voting for Levar. I'd figure on Levar voting for me, and then either Robert (who I don't know as well, though he went up several notches in my book as of last night) either votes for me and I'm off, or he votes for Levar, and Levar gets to cast the deciding vote.
Wil, you did great all game, but you seemed to tank Round 6 and knew it, and IMO you did the honorable thing... and in the meantime, damn, y'all really ran it up. I loved the whistles coming from the audience at the end of Round 7. (I missed what Levar and Robert were saying to each other there; anyone?)
In general, I'd say the block of Wil, Levar, and Robert was the main force behind that record prize, with Denise, Roxanne, and Armin right there with the bank, not to mention starting a few good chains of their own. Let's hear it for Trek...
Lately democracy seems to be based on the skybox, the Happy Meal box, the X-box, and the idiot box.
yeah, and as far as you know, the internet is the WWW
I've not seen this show yet, but the way Roxann is described here, her 'behaviour' sounds very much in character for Torres. Seems to remind me of the episode where the Vulcan Engineer goes PonFarr on B'lanna.
Wil, I like ya - I really do. I just have to wonder, though - if you had a million dollars to invest on a cause, why you'd pick the EFF. I hope it wasn't just because of some 31337 haxor image or something...
Let's try not to forget that there are certain rights that we need to protect -- and that does require financial support in a capitalist system like the one in the US -- in order to then go on to help others, no matter how much more "needy" those other causes may appear.
Everyone takes for granted the freedom to post their thoughts to sites like SlashDot (just look at the crap that gets posted on this site). The EFF does its best to make sure that we can continue to do so. Do you think that we would even be aware of half of the problems in the world without freedom of communication?
Right now, there are far too many ways in which basic rights of communication are being trampled on, and I'm not referring to the freedom to swap MP3s. The EFF is one of the only organizations that is dedicated specifically to protecting these rights.
"First you gotta do the truffle shuffle."
I think he meant...
"I guess, hosting Reading Rainbow helped."
Interestingthat when I heard the list of players my first guess was that he would win.
For once in his long and varied posting career, our one true friend, Anonymous Coward, has actually hit the nail on the head.
IMHO the original post should be mod'd as off-topic right here and right now
Meanwhile, for anyone actually dumbass enough to care more than a dog's fart about the life and times of Will Wheaton here's some more fascinating trivia:
The answer to 1 Across in Tuesday's Independent cryptic crossword is 'balance'.
Toast actually does land butter side down more often than not.
And airflow alternates between the nostrils so that one gets a rest whilst the other takes over
Get me some Mogadon someone, please, I'm getting over-excited here.
--This isn't a man who is leaving with his head between his legs.
- It was all in jest. My comments at the end of the show were in keeping with the spirit of our fun sparring. I wish I could even take credit for the idea. It was recomended that I say that by the producers. I thought it was funny.. Its a shame they cut away from my comment before I started laughing. The aim of the show is to create conflict... and I guessthey did. I didn't take offence to Bill Shatner saying he could take me in a fight. What does he think I am, a weak woman?!! LOL Come on everybody "lighten up" We were all having fun. Wil is great and I loved doing the show with him.
I agree... Wil is cool, Roxann was joking -- let's not start calling people names."Anything is better than IE, and you can quote me on that." -- Wil Wheaton.
What is important to one person isn't so important to another. Clearly the First Amendment is very important; it affects all of us in ways that we often take for granted. In most countries, you can get thrown in jail or worse over something as trivial as a personal website. The only reason that is not the case here in the USA is because people are vigilant in its defense.
The radical right wing, led by people like Attorney General John Ashcroft is now running the government in the US. Without the protection of the First Amendment, we would quite quickly descend into a fascist hell like Germany did in the 1930's. Believe me, these people have no respect whatsoever for civil rights. Don't believe me? Go surf at Democratic Underground for awhile and you will see what I mean.
Republicans are idiots.
well i knew most of it...
/. there would be some kind of hype about it. I don't think he seemed overly arrogant so much as just slightly over confident, but that was a better face to put up than one of a beaten dog, considering his PR.
Since i only get one channel, i have no choice what i watch, just whether i watch or not. TWL is "ok", but having the ST people on added a nice twist. Unlike alot of people here i really don't care how bad crusher's lines were, i wouldnt hold it against Wil himself. but i digress..
When i saw Wil was playing, i KNEW he was gonna play for the EFF, or something closely related to that. And i just KNEW soons i could check
I think of everyone there, Shatner made an ass of himself, as usual, shames me to be Canadian... Roxanne.. well, i share the sentiment of the majority here, she totally over reacted, and got labeled a sabre-toothed-battle-bitch, too bad for her career.. but theres always bitch roles available in the movies, it could open doors. and babe, if your husband is that jealous as to have a problem with innocent flirting banter like that, put on some shoes, get out of the kitchen, and find yourself a 21st century man.
burton and picardo really impressed me, although i did expect that from levar, he's always struck me as intelligent.. and of course Wil did a competent job, but i couldn't claim i would do better on a show like that. I'd just be happy that i didnt come off looking like an idiot...
nuff said..
last thing, so what IS the reason of the 1 "L"?