The Successor To Popunder Ads?

Croaker writes: "So, apparently, boston.com is trying out these new ads called "Shoshkeles" (the marketeer who came up with that name was on crack, no doubt). The result is an incredibly annoying experience of having crap run around the page you are reading, along with sound. And you thought banner ads sucked. The company responsible for the technology, United Virtualities says these are 'browser driven, platform agnostic, sound enabled, free moving forms that marry total creative license to a whole new level of effectiveness.' Effective in annoying, I guess." The site says "the ads only appear when using an Internet Explorer browser," though. Darn.

Comments

Wired..

[dj28]

I know that wired.com has been using this advertisement scheme for quite some time. If you are using IE, you will usually see a palm pilot going back and forth across the screen and then fade away to the Palm banner at the bottom. It's very annoying.

Re:Wired..

[SilentChris]

Not only Wired, but CNet/ZDNet as well. The difference is that their ads are limited in time (a few seconds) and "fold" back into a banner quickly as not to be intrusive.

I agree, the Wired one is highly annoying. They will hopefully get the point when people start spending less than 2 seconds on their site.

Re:Wired..

[ncc74656]

Not only Wired, but CNet/ZDNet as well. The difference is that their ads are limited in time (a few seconds) and "fold" back into a banner quickly as not to be intrusive.

I agree, the Wired one is highly annoying. They will hopefully get the point when people start spending less than 2 seconds on their site.

That's odd...I must've missed them somehow. :-)

Ad filters are your friends, especially if crap like this is set to take off.

Re:Wired..

[SilentChris]

Ida know. I usually leave ad banners on. Same reason for leaving the settings in Windows on default: I work Help Desk sometimes and I want to see what the user sees. If they suddenly have 5 or 6 Flash windows ads open on them, I need to see that on my end ("I can't see Word!")

marketeers....

[_Marvin_]

"platform agnostic" and runs on IE only... those marketeers never fail to amuse me.

Re:marketeers....

[usernumber31337]

Quick! Port this to linux!

Re:marketeers....

[redcup]

and how about
"Finally, they are plug-in, browser and platform agnostic and require no action from the users in order to be viewed. "

but they use SWF...
I think that qualifies as out-right lying - but isn't that what advertising is all about?

Re:marketeers....

[Speare]

"platform agnostic" and runs on IE only... those marketeers never fail to amuse me.

Well, the literal meaning of "agnostic" is "in a manner without knowledge." A- gnostic. The dictionary lists "professing ignorance."

Perhaps running on IE only really is being agnostic. :)

Re:marketeers....

[Glytch]

Didn't you know? "Platform agnostic" means it works on Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000 and even XP!

Re:marketeers....

[foobar104]

Right up there with, "Our product is cross-platform. It runs on 95 and NT!"

Re:marketeers....

[Publicus]

That settles it. From now on I am an athiest. I will not _admit_ to professing ignorance.

Re:marketeers....

[nuintari]

yeah, but for once, us non-windows people don't care about being ignored! I could die a happy man if I never have to see what I just read about.

Re:marketeers....

[grytpype]

They also say it doesn't need a plugin, when it needs Flash. Fucking retards. Not that I'm complaining... the more incompetant they are, the less of their shit I have to put up with.

Re:marketeers....

[PurpleBob]

Also, under Mozilla, the page becomes entirely unusable once there's a "shoshkele" on it. You simply can't click anything.

Then again, this is probably a good thing, as by then you'd most likely have decided to leave the site anyway.

Re:marketeers....

[Syberghost]

When I saw this, I couldn't help but think of that line in Blues Brothers:

"We've got both kinds of music; Country AND Western!"

Re:marketeers....

[nathanh]

Anyway, I am agnostic. I do not know if god exists, but I've never seen proof either way, thus, I am agnostic when it comes to god.

That's fine. But are you an atheist as well? An atheist "lacks belief in the existence of gods". You can be intellectually cautious and be agnostic - a good position if you don't have evidence either way - but your belief isn't an intellectual choice. You either do believe or you don't believe. There is no gray area.

Once you've decided on "do believe" or "don't believe" you can get into the semantics of whether you actively believe in the non-existence, passively lack belief in the existence, actively believe in the existence, and so on.

First hit on google explains this all more neatly than I've quickly done here, but I can't vouch for the quality of the rest of the site as I've never read it. http://www.dojang.com/aa/aa_agnostic.html

Re:marketeers....

[Moonshadow]

If you're running Windows, get the Proxomitron. A few careful regexes, and you'll never see one of these again. Or a popup ad. Or an on-exit popup window. Or a javascript redirector. Or a million other things you hate.

Re:ads for IE only...

[rde]

But if these ads are as annoying as some people think, then "if you use this browser you won't see the ads" becomes a feature.

Am I the only mozilla user who clicked on the link anyway, and had the page sit there doing nothing until I got bored?

origin of "Shoshkele"

[Frothy Walrus]

the Shoshkele is a traditional Polish dance in which the dancers move around the space a lot. interesting it got used, but i wish it were for something less annoying. :)

Re:origin of "Shoshkele"

[Verteiron]

"Hi Ted, have you met my daughters? This Mary, Shoshkele, and Sara. You ok, Ted? That's quite a cough you have there..."

That poor girl. And I thought Grizelda was bad.

Re:origin of "Shoshkele"

[trb]

it's a diminutive form of Shoshana, which is the Hebrew name that Susan is derived from. So Shoshkele is approximately the same as Susie.

Re:origin of "Shoshkele"

[roman_mir]

As opposite to other dances during which dancers move around 'the space' a little?

Re:origin of "Shoshkele"

[ozbird]

it's a diminutive form of Shoshana,

Huh? The diminutive form is one letter longer than the original?

Blackadder: What is your name, boy?
Boy: Kate.
Blackadder: Kate? That's an unusual name for a boy.
Boy: It's short for ... Bob.

Re:origin of "Shoshkele"

[selan]

Or it could be like the Yiddish tchochkelle (sp? it's pronounced choch-kuh-luh) meaning trinket or toy.

Amazing

[squaretorus]

It really is amazing the length some sites will go to to get you to stop using them. If you visit Lycos or Yahoo with IE you get Pizza Hut pizzas flying around the screen more often than not.

At work I don't notice them, but at home on my cruddy 56kbps they cause a significant slow down - the result? Google gets even MORE of my traffic.

IE's Flash player

[breon.halling]

The reason these "Shoshkeles" don't work with Navigator is poor feature support in Navigator's Flash player. Alas, it does not support transparent Flash movies.

While this "new" form of advertising (I put "new" in quotations, as this kind of thing has been around for almost a year -- though now it's got some ridiculous name) may seem very annoying, the ability to create transparent SWFs in both major browsers is something I have always wanted. Oh well, I doubt that'll ever happen.

So, to be safe, just stick with good ol' Navigator!

It works in Netscape 6.2

[geekopus]

I just checked it. Click on the Monster.com link on their showcase page.....

It's very annoying.

Re:NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[Lostman]

Easy enough: turn off flash graphics.

Yes, you may not get to see all the uber-leet newest flash funnies that you may want without re-enabling it for a few mins, but its better this way.

I had mine enabled until a site I go to has started using flash up the wazoo... Lets say its enough to drive my machine into making it act badly... flash graphics.. :P

Re:NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[SpiritualRemains]

The best way to kill them is to go into your IE security settings and change Download Signed ActiveX controls, Download Unsigned ActiveX controls, and Run ActiveX controls and Plugins from Enabled to Prompt in the Internet Zone.

Spiritual Remains

Re:Good Enough

[vrmlknight]

I don't seem to have a problem I don't see them at all I also don't have flash installed and I click no when it asks me if I want to install it
In my hosts file I have

127.0.0.1 shockwave.com
127.0.0.1 www.shockwave.com
127.0.0.1 flash.com
127.0.0.1 www.flash.com
127.0.0.1 www.macromedia.com
127.0.0.1 macromedia.com

I also have a lot of others like x10.com and ads.aol.com but it seems to help if you don't use flash for these "new" types of ads

They seem to work in Navigator!

[breon.halling]

Wow! I was floored! How'd they get SWF transparency in Nav?!?!

It turns out that the links just open up stand-alone SWFs. It's not the live site you're looking at!

Cheap. And somewhat misleading.

Re:Use Lynx, then you won't have a problem...

[vrmlknight]

this also helps if its in your hosts file

127.0.0.1 ad-adex3.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 ad-flow.com
127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad2.peel.com
127.0.0.1 ad.iwin.com
127.0.0.1 adbureau.net
127.0.0.1 admonitor.net
127.0.0.1 adcontroller.unicast.com
127.0.0.1 ads.1bn.org
127.0.0.1 ads.gamespy.com
127.0.0.1 ads20.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads.x10.com
127.0.0.1 clubchance.com
127.0.0.1 fastclick.net
127.0.0.1 focalink.com
127.0.0.1 friendfinder.com
127.0.0.1 hits2you.hypermart.net
127.0.0.1 ln.doublclick.net
127.0.0.1 m.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 media.fastclick.net
127.0.0.1 popups.infostart.com
127.0.0.1 servedby.advertising.com
127.0.0.1 x10.com
127.0.0.1 msn.com
127.0.0.1 msnbc.com
127.0.0.1 www.megago.com
127.0.0.1 megago.com

Yes, seen it before

[MxTxL]

These have been around for a good while. I seem to remember some sort of car driving around my screen at one point. Might have been a different technology, but were at least as annoying.

Want to know what else is annoying? The new Microsoft banner ads. Ignoring the fact that they are MS ads, they would still be annoying as hell. They look like one of the large format banners, but if you even accidentally mouse over them for even just a fraction of a second, they blow up into a half page ad, complete with their new Madonna theme song. Can't find a current example (most were for the launch of XP), but they used to be quite heavily on Cnet's download.com and also on, obvoiously, MSNBC.com and MSN.com.

I work for an advertiser...

[banky]

I work in the data center for a moderately large company that sells banner ad software (using a hosted model). All this and more is coming to a web page near you, based on the things our esteemed customers are trying out.

Re:I work for an advertiser...

[HeUnique]

Nah, you haven't seen anything yet...

For those who know some Hebrew - you might want to browse inside Israeli web site with IE - a true joy - flash is the default AD format, and they're jumping WAY ALL OVER - phones, cars, everything right in your face and the close mark is so tiny that you hardly can find it..

OTOH I'm using Konqueror most of the times - so I don't see those stuff anyway ;)

Re:I work for an advertiser...

[Tackhead]

> I work in the data center for a moderately large company that sells banner ad software (using a hosted model). All this and more is coming to a web page near you, based on the things our esteemed customers are trying out.

May I suggest you get a job in a more ethical line of work? I hear the position of chief bioweapons engineer for Osama Bin Laden is open.

(And if you take the job, may the Marines do to your computers for what you do then, what I dearly wish it were legal for web surfers to do to your computers for what you do now ;-)

Totally swf driven?!

[dreamquick]

I've just gone and had a look at their demos and sat their thinking "hey those images are poor", and then i loaded another demo and said "hey those images are poor too". While I waited for the second demo to load I tried to click a few of the links... only to find that the entire page was a shockwave file.

Since they claim to be the actual ads I'm more than a little puzzled as to what these things really are...

My favourite quote from the press release was "rich media ad format" - in other words here's a pretty advert that will take you too long to download but which is trying to see you broadband.

If i had broadband that ad is unlikely to be of use to me, and if i didn't I would probably be cursing the fact that you have some damned new advert that wastes my meagre modem bandwidth!

Re:Wired.. and Weather.com

[Anml4ixoye]

Weather.com has these as well, but they are MUCH more annoying. The one I had filled up the lower half of your screen with water and a broken pipe, and then had someone standing there, and it was an advertisement for insurance.

We responded by pulling our partnership with Weather.com. As we explained to them, banner ads and pop-up ads are one thing, but anything that literally takes over the users computer will not by tolerated.

Not clickable

[imrdkl]

Cute, but there's no money in something that cant be clicked, is there?

Re:Not clickable

[brunes69]

CLickthroughs are a perverse form of measuring an adds effecity, and adopting this is why Internet advertising revenues have dropped so sharply. Ads are about increasing mindshare, getting word of your product out, and convincing people to try it. They're not suppose dto be "Hey look! Ford sells cars! I'm going to go buy one right NOW!". When was the last time you saw an ad on TV, to immediatly hop in your car and drive to the mall to purshase the item? CHances are, next to never. But maybe later, when you want something in that area, you will remember the ad. This is how advertising is supposed to work. All this clickthrough nonsense as a measure of how effective an ad is is retarded.

Re:Not clickable

[Mojojojo Monkey Inc.]

Sure, some banner ads are the internet equivalent of normal TV ads, such as Thinkgeek's banners, for one, and others that just show you something humerous or witty and hope you remember their company in the future. The banner ads that are doing their best to be the most annoying shit on the planet are the internet equivalents of the short informercials trying to get you to buy their stupid compilation CD, or handy-dandy new gadget that is "Only available through this special TV offer! Buy now! Operators are standing by!" If they don't see sales jump immediately, they're going to cancel those TV commercials (or pull their banner ads from an ad network).

Big companies can afford to run ads that just get you interesting in the brand name, or force you to remember their name whether you like it or not. They plan to be around for years, so they can play the waiting game... aww the waiting game sucks, let's play hungry hungry hippos instead! Smaller companies that rely on selling one little invention or gadget or service can't afford to wait weeks or months for business to start rolling in, they need clicks to their sites now, and if they don't get them, they're going to either start pulling their ads, or finding ways to make their ads more intrusive, so you have no choice but to watch them, and probably will be more likely to click on them (if for no other reason than by mistake cause they're covering up the story you want to read ;)

Re:Not clickable

[Svartalf]

" The banner ads that are doing their best to be the most annoying shit on the planet are the internet equivalents of the short informercials trying to get you to buy their stupid compilation CD, or handy-dandy new gadget that is "Only available through this special TV offer! Buy now! Operators are standing by!" If they don't see sales jump immediately, they're going to cancel those TV commercials (or pull their banner ads from an ad network)."

And I tend to turn the channel when those sorts of things are going. If they're short spots in the ad spots for television shows, I'm more likely than not going to go do something else for 10-15 minutes. Many people are that way.

What will they think of next ?

[alphaque]

These shoshwhatevers are shockwave flash based, and clicking on the link provided by the /. article, only suceeded in popping up a bunch of more windows requesting me to download the flash player from macromedia.

Frankly, I have flash turned off in konqueror on FreeBSD, and hitting sites which make extensive use of flash would only guarantee that i never return again. If you can't create an ad which draws my attention and my interest with just the facts, then so long and thanks for all the fish.

I'm willing to bet that we'd start seeing initiatives within the opensource community to include filters within the opensource browsers (mozilla, konqueror) which automatically blocks 468x60 and 125x125 sized images, replacing them with either an interesting graphic or perhaps a random image from the user's disk. I'd much rather be looking at something I like over something which pops up and hits me right in the face, literally.

Without advertising, the truth is a lot of the free content we get will just not exist. This is a fact of the matter, and for this I tolerate banner ads over the page. However to take it one step further and thrust it into my nose is a little too much. Sites like these will hear the whooshing sound of my browser giving them the pass.

Covering the content

[Therlin]

What I hate about these ads is that they are actually covering the content that I am trying to read (which is the reason why I came to the site to begin with). So I have started visiting those sites less and less everyday.

It is as if you were trying to watch TV and a guy with a "Buy M&Ms" sign would step in front of the TV while my show is going on.

Ads work in Mozilla 0.9.3

[savaget]

the ads on this page work in Mozilla 0.9.3 on Windows platform.

Re:Ads work in Mozilla 0.9.3

[Maxwell_E]

That's cause they are using Flash 4. They work just annoyingly fine in NS6.1 and NS6.2. (So long as you have flash installed.)

Re:Ads work in Mozilla 0.9.3

[sydb]

Oh no! it works in Galeon on Linux too! :-(

Re:Ads work in Mozilla 0.9.3

[Corrado]

They also work on Netscape 4.76 on MacOS 9.0.4.

Re:Ads work in Mozilla 0.9.3

[DeadMeat (TM)]

Except the whole demo page, content included, is a large Flash file. (You can't interact with any of the text or links -- try it.) I assume to get it to work on a real page they'd have to float a Flash ad over the page using layers, which probably won't convert over so well between IE and any standards-compliant browser like Mozilla, Konqueror, or Opera.

Working in marketing ...

[LoudMusic]

I work for an advertising and marketing firm in central Arkansas. Let me tell you, it's scary when the account execs (sales people) and creatives get together and start scheming up new ways to bludgen the public with marketing slogans. The worst are when they come to me asking for technical advice. On several occations I've told them the best thing to do is leave 'technology' out, because they'd only screw it up. They don't listen, and they screw up, nearly every time. This Shoshkeles thing is a prefect example. It COULD have been cool, but instead it's annoying and people are going to bitch and moan. Then it's going to go away.

All we need is a simple link at the bottom of the page that says "Lots of neat stuff". And when you click the link, you _actually_ get a page with lots of neat stuff. That would be freaking amazing! (:

~LoudMusic

Waah! I can't see 'em!

[tb3]

IE 5.1 on Mac OS X doesn't work, and Adsubtract on W2K blocks them, too. (Checked IE on W2K, but I usually use Mozilla)

I feel so ... marginalized.

Re:Waah! I can't see 'em!

[sporty]

For Mac OS X with IE, the first 3 worked. Didn't check the rest since I got scared off :)

Re:kill them

[cetan]

that's not a problem with flash, that's a problem with shitty site design.

Your argument could apply to JPG's as well if you see enough 500K imagemap driven pages.

IE/Mac

[mgkimsal2]

Does it run under the Mac version of IE? If so, that might qualify as another "platform".

Re:IE/Mac

[catseye]

Well, they work on IE 5.1 (Mac OS X version of IE), AND they work in OmniWeb, a popular alternative browser for OS X.... which is interesting, since OmniWeb attempts to mimic Netscape 4.7's functionality, not IE.

-A.

Re:IE/Mac

[Corrado]

It also runs under Netscape 4.76 under MacOS 9.0.4, or at least the samples did. Hmmm...not only did they make annoying ADs, they don't know what platform they run on. Is this good?

Any bets on how long it takes Mozilla to work around this? I say 12.5 seconds. :)

Work under Opera 6.0 as well

[Masem]

I tried one of their same pages using O6 (final, winXX), and it appears to work as well.

These really aren't anything new per se; I swear I saw ads that used DHTML on Yahoo before (the one set I remember had birds flying from a small box ad on the lower part of the page up to the top banner ad shortly after loading. I bet that the yahoo ones didn't use sound, of course.

These have been around for a long while...

[neema]

I've seen 'em all over the place, adcritic.com had them, so did mp3.com.

Microsoft used them to advertise Windows XP a whole lot.

Re:These have been around for a long while...

[ThatComputerGuy]

I saw this stuff on a disney site and one other many months ago... the monster.com monster kinda rolled around on the screen and then disappeared.

At the time, it seemed like just DHTML/CSS, nothing too fancy.

IE won't die, but sites will

[bildstorm]

As much as I would Microsoft to up and go away, well, these ads are not going to kill IE. IE is just too easy to get, runs all the stuff people want, and it comes on their Windows boxes.

However, sites that use these features are likely to lose users. Yeah, they'll keep their techy users who use Mozilla, etc., but their joe-average users will disappear. (Why should I read Boston.com when I can read CNN.com and get none of those crappy ads?)

Case in point is that I almost never visit C|Net or ZDNet anymore. The ads are lousy. The content doesn't justify the annoyance. I use to read Builder.com all the time. Now I just visit Molly.com and see where her latest articles are.

Reality is that advertising is only tolerated as long as it's justified. I click on the ads on Slashdot because they're well targetted. I read BBC News because there are no ads. I used to watch Sci-Fi because there were fewer ads. If it really comes down to it, eventually I'll only visit government sites and my paid subscriptions because like many a business user, I don't have time to wait the 5 seconds on a page while checking to see if an article is worth reading.

Re:IE won't die, but sites will

[DrSpin]

I dont mind light weight ads, but when pages take more than 30 MINUTES to load I cant see anyone waiting. Sure their foolish counters will say that people viewed the page, but in reality they gave up without ever seeing it.

Try www.ford.com to see how not to do it ...

I wanted a list of Ford Dealers to buy a spare part. I cant wait 30 mins for their flash crap to load, I can WALK to a Ford dealer quicker than that!

If someone uses Flash on their site, its a fair bet they DONT WANT CUSTOMERS TO VIEW IT.

A visit to Web Sites That Suck is recommended, especially to all car manufactuerers.

Incidentally, will these foolish things hang your PC if you don't have a sound card?

I have set Opera to identify as "Opera" - will that avoid the download time?

Re:IE won't die, but sites will

[jonbrewer]

These ads are not targeted at you, nor at consumers who fit your profile. The tech-saavy user who is bothered by intrusive ads does not register on the radar screen of the advertisers and ad firms buying these ads on sites such as boston.com and weather.com.

I like to think these ads are targeted at my parents. Mom is not going to stop visiting weather.com because an ad for allergy medicine dumped a bunch of colored leaves on her web page for a few seconds. In fact, she likes the ad. (If you haven't seen this ad, get on an XP system with IE 6 and watch. It's actually pretty cool.)

While it probably annoys dad, he's not going to go back to watching the weather channel on TV, because the web site gets him the weather instantly compared to waiting for the local forecast on TV. And it would take quite an interruption for him to make him seek out another website for his weather.

Bottom line is that "joe-average users" don't give a shit about ads, and aren't going to alter their media consumption patterns to keep them away from what you may consider "lousy ads." The advertisers know this, and so are keeping up with technology in the name of competition.

JB

(IANAA, but I do have a degree in Advertising.)

Re:IE won't die, but sites will

[bryan1945]

I'm not sure what kind of connection you have, but on my 56k modem running Netscape 4.7 under Win98 it took less than 30 seconds to load www.ford.com.

Maybe it's something to do with Opera, your connection, or your system? Just wondering, since we have a 60x difference in load times!

Web Ads

[Apreche]

These guys keep trying to think up better ways of advertising on the web. First it was banners, popups, whatever. They could be better spending their time thinking of something to do on the web besides advertise.
The real problem here is that the web is the number one application on the internet. We need to replace the web with a better internet application. Only, I can't think of anything else. Can you?

Re:Web Ads

[aozilla]

The real problem here is that the web is the number one application on the internet. We need to replace the web with a better internet application. Only, I can't think of anything else. Can you?

The unfortunate thing is that we're already kind of stuck in this advertising revenue framework. There are better applications. Consider slashdot and other "news" sites. A much better application would be to have the news and messages in rdf or xml format, and then simply have the client display it however it wants. The number one reason why this is not done is because Slashdot wants to protect its ad revenue.

I suggest that VA Software reconsider this model. They're making basically nothing off of ad revenue anyway, and they have maybe 12 months of cash left. Even if they do succeed, it's not going to be because of ad revenue, it's going to be because of software licenses.

So I say to LNUX, as a last ditch effort, offer everything in XML format. The storys, the links, the messages, everything. At the very least you'll go out of business one month earlier. But maybe you won't, and/or maybe you'll be able to start a whole new paradigm in the mean time.

Re:ads for IE only...

[Redline]

Am I the only mozilla user who clicked on the link anyway, and had the page sit there doing nothing until I got bored?

I clicked the link, and much to my suprise (dismay?), the ad appeared and worked fine. I then tried the other four ads from link, and they worked also. This is with mozilla nightly with the crossover plugin on x86 Slackware 8. I think moz has gotten a little *too* featureful.

"... no discernable download..."? HA!!!

[capoccia]

I just love this quote from Whats a Shoshkele?

This technology does not require plug-ins, and there is no discernable download for users.

Sorry, but these ads use flash. this does require a plugin. The plugin is already present with Internet Explorer.
Downloading a regular ad is usually slow through my dial-up connection. The size of the ad usually dwarfs the rest of the page. I definitely do not want to be downloading a flash ad before I can see my content.

Platform-agnositc

[wowbagger]

First, let me say that line was the most buzzword-complient I've ever seen.

Second, how can it be both "platform-agnostic" and yet only show up on IE? It just goes to show that the buzzword list was created in the complete absence of information on the product.

Third, let me say that I am glad this is IE only, as it won't affect my browsing under Mozilla.

Fourth, what is it with marketing people - do they STUDY to learn how to alienate their customers, or to they just come into it naturatlly?

Re: The Successor To Popunder Ads

[blibbleblobble]

Well, I went to have a look at the examples, but nothing happened. I guess that's what happens when you turn off scripting by default.

I did see something similar with my old email provider[another.com] - a picture of a cellphone popped up in front of my email message, and started looping crazily around the screen. I changed email providers and haven't visited them since.

However, it can get quite annoying to visit a site (mostly big corporations with "professional" web designers) to see nothing but a blank page... The number of times I've thought a website didn't exist, only to look at the source and see a list of JavaScript calls to display the page.

I'm working on a wrapper for IE5, where you can toggle pictures/popups/javascript/security zone at the touch of a button, so that should sort out most of the problems...

Another way to kill them...

[krugdm]

Well, on IE5 for OS X anyway...

If you control-click (or right click if you have a two-button mouse) the menu that pops up as a bunch of Flash options. Click on "Rewind" (there's no "Stop" option) and the ad goes away and doesn't come back.

I know the obvious solution would be to disable Flash, but my daughter likes playing online games that require it, so that's not an option...

Whats the point?

[t_allardyce]

All these stupid advert-technologies can be killed with a simple filtering proxy setup right. The only problem is when microsoft decides that webpages should be made of closed source formats and filtering becomes much harder. What we really need, is a program that scans a page and extracts all the good stuff and puts it in your own custom formatting/fonts etc. and basically makes all pages look the same, with one comman interface. That way, designers can get it out of their dumb heads that they can control what happens on my computer, and instead just provide the content.

Only problem is, if you go to a pop-stars webpage like 'westlife' and the program says "error: no useful content found" :)

Flash actually has its uses

[Kidbro]

Flash does have some uses. I've been involved in building a web application where we needed to display vector maps (in order to smoothly being able to zoom into the map, a gif certainly wouldn't do). Our choices pretty much narrowed down to two alternatives, a Java Applet and a Flash animation. We used flash simply since it seems to be less of a headache to use for newbies, and somewhat quicker both to install and use. I'm not a great flash fan, and I pretty much hate the use of unnecessary flash animations, but the format does have its uses...

mozilla default settings

[Alien54]

Personally, I would prefer mozilla ship with the defaults for popups, etc set in the OFF position.

Then, if you want ads, you can just turn them on.

Re:mozilla default settings

[Bedouin X]

That might be a good idea if ads were the only reason to use popups.

Re:mozilla default settings

[Hal-9001]

That might be a good idea if ads were the only reason to use popups.

Fortunately, the Mozilla team is one step ahead of you and has created a specific parameter for disabling new windows from popping up on page load or exit, which pretty much can only be used for ads or unsolicited redirects. From the Customizing Mozilla page which every Mozilla user should bookmark or know how to find (it's as easy as going to mozilla.org, clicking "Search", and searching for "Customizing Mozilla"), here is the appropriate line to add to prefs.js or user.js :

// More important, disable JS windows popping up a new window on load
// (as lots of porn and spam sites do):
user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);

Works in Mozilla too!

[JPZ]

Contrary to the statements made in the article, they work just fine in Mozilla as well! (At least under WinNT).

Great to see Mozilla catching up to Explorer....

No, it's "Shoshkele ™"

[Kozz]

Well, it appears that United Virtualities has trademarked the name "Shoshkele". Maybe if we're lucky, that means they've attempted to patent the advertisement method and will hence enforce it, resulting in fewer companies overall that would use this type of obtrusive advertising? Ha - we could only wish. From their webpage,

"Please note that the demos showcased on this page are Flash 4 based. This is done for confidentiality reasons. If you need to test the functionality of final release Shoshkeles (TM) please contact us."

So they're showing us demos in Flash 4 so that people can't "view source" to rip off the code? Meaning that the ads are actually NOT Flash 4 but something else, perhaps, as they say that the ads don't actually require any plugin.

I'm thinking that sooner or later, people will start ripping off this ad style, and they're not going to call it a "Shoshkele". Unless UV patents this ad method, (and IANAL) I don't see how they can keep others from ripping them off. Besides, I've already seen annoying ads like these on weather.com.

Now all we need is a filter for this sort of crap in Mozilla and I'll go back to using it.

Re:No, it's "Shoshkele ™"

[Alioth]

Besides, I've already seen annoying ads like these on weather.com.

The more recent, more annoying ads are the reason I've stopped using weather.com. I like the site, but the ads are just too annoying.
I have no objection to advertisments, but I do have an objection to them if they are annoying. I used to use weather.com because they had good local radar graphics. But even their radar graphics aren't worth the annoyance of their advertisments!

Now I exclusively use ADDS, a government provided service with no advertisments (which has some nice Java tools, too).

Re:No, it's "Shoshkele ™"

[sconeu]

Unless UV patents this ad method, (and IANAL) I don't see how they can keep others from ripping them off

While I normally hate software patents, I'd be willing to make an exception, if UV sues the pants of anyone who tries to do this shit! Finally, a *GOOD* use for software patents!

Re:No, it's "Shoshkele ™"

[gusnz]

Now all we need is a filter for this sort of crap in Mozilla and I'll go back to using it.

Perhaps not. After all, how are you going to filter these out? They can be any shape and size.

Mozilla filters popups via disabling the window.open() JavaScript function on page load. Fait enough... although this got me in trouble yesterday as a client requested a splash page that preloads images then, on load, pops up the main site. Damn.

And it would be much harder to filter these. The only real way is as another poster suggested, disable active scripting. These ads have really only one thing on common -- they're all DHTML/JavaScript based (at least, I assume the release versions will be, I don't know why they're obfuscating these via Flash as any competent DHTML designer can make a simple animated logo of sorts). That should make it hard to patent, at least, my site for instance slides it loading message offscreen on load, and I've seen quite a few DHTML-based (annoying) ads before.

So if these ads trigger on load, you'd find code similar to:

<body onload="animateAdvert()">

or

window.onload = animateAdvert;

or equivalent in the document. Disabling the onload event will stuff up most the dynamic sites on the Internet, not just ones that use these ads, as the dirty secret of DHTML is that document modification is very hard to do in a cross-browser page while it's still loading.

Having said that, hopefully these advertisers stick to IE, as it'll leave an optional out for Opera/Mozilla users. Or perhaps the Mozilla project should encourage them, with a few surprises -- set the body fontsize to 150% and make it green if the phrase 'Shoshkele' is detected :). Should discourage the debuggers there no end...

Re:ads for IE only...

[Anonymous Coward]

The *examples* used a screenshot of the actual page in a flash file (Right click anywhere on the page) - they were not html. Opacity channels in the background of flash only works in IE 5+. Try it with nav4 it'll look the same there too because the page is just a screenshot.

Not that annoying IMO

[autopr0n]

Actually, to me these seem a lot less annoying then popups/popunders. At least for the fact they can't spawn all over your desktop resulting in minutes of annoyance. And they disappear on their own, which is a huge bonus.

The sound part is really obnoxious, though.

Also, this isn't the first time something like this has been tried, although it may be the first time the crap appeared on top of the content you're trying to get, yahoo used something similar a while back on their main page.

As for these only working in IE? Well, that's just because the advertising company didn't bother to spend like 5 minutes getting the implementation to work in Moz, having done DHTML in both IE and Moz, I can say that it's can be a pain, and clutter up your code, to get something that will work in both, it's certainly possible. Oh look, boston.com also threw in a pup under, just for fun. Advertising a broken image, apparently.

Re:Not that annoying IMO

[Mr. McD]

Well, that's just because the advertising company didn't bother to spend like 5 minutes getting the implementation to work in Moz

Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. Plugins in Mozilla are based on the Netscape 4 plugin architecture. This means that they don't support transparency or layering as they do in the Flash ActiveX control. So, the marekting company would have to also contract with Macromedia to develop a "window-less" plugin API for Mozilla for all platforms. Basically, all that they could do now in Mozilla is have a box show up on the screen. You currently cannot get the same effect as you do in IE. And because of that, you more than likely will get agencies to start pushing IE becaus eyou can do crap like this. BTW, window-less plugins are not supported on Mac OS either so it doesn't work there either.

Re:Not that annoying IMO

[Suidae]

I've run into stuff like this a couple times, only its more annoying than the demos from the link page make it out to be. What I've seen are some kind of HTML layer or something (I'm a programmer, not a web designer, I dunno what its called, but its not a plugin), kind of like what pops up in site menu things that don't use java/activex. BUT, it covers almost the entire screen, blocking the view of the entire page until you hit its close button.

HIGHLY annoying, and it uses HTML features which are apparently standard (at least in IE), and used for menus and such, so if I filter it, I break lots of other stuff.

icbw but I think salon is running some of them too

[StandardDeviant]

The other day I was reading salon and this jaguar ad started out like an innocent 160xmumble standard ad banner. Said something about "rip into jaguar" or something equally retarded. Then this paper-tearing effect starts and extends down and to the left, covering about 30% of the page i was reading. super, super annoying...

You know, really, I don't mind banner ads all that much, as long as they are reasonably circumspect and don't actively try to annoy me. I've even been know to click on some of them if they looked interesting. However, I've pledged to myself that I will not click on the ads for or buy ANYTHING from companies that use hectic, spasm-inducing animated gifs, super-size flash ads, ads with sound, popunder ads, popup ads, or any other species from the menangerie of ads whose theory seems to be "Let's stick our thumb up the user's butt, and he'll be really pissed off now! Somehow, that'll make him wanna buy our cheap crap! Yeahyeahyeah! Hand me the crack pipe again, bob!".

Could just as well say:

[Dog and Pony]

"This ad will disappear if you leave this site."

It gets worse... 'vokens'

[jqs]

I'm a web developer and I had to investigate a technology called 'vokens'. This is the same thing as reported in the article but by another company, www.eyereturn.com. (There boast of 'the only company to offer vokens!) These vokens did work outside of IE.
After research, I found that many of the big compnays are doing this type of advertising but all under different names as if that make the technology proprietary.
So far, realmedia.com, ad4ever.com, doublclick.com, eyereturn.com are all doing them. You can see an annoying one on www.tsn.ca/nhl.
The problem with the technology is great. We found that if we let an external company put a 'voken' on our website with a Javascript Source tag, they could hijack the entire site via the DOM.
A quick presentation to my management with a development box showing how I could, with a voken stored on one of my personal servers, take over our compnay's website and put my own message up stopped our research into the technology.
Do not, under any circumstances put a tag in your code when the source is nto on a trusted server.

It will never work on a Mac or Linux.

[Mr. McD]

Reason being that that on IE 4 and higher on Windows support "window-less" plugins or controls. Meaning that the plugin is not bound to a new window class, but can be instantiated like a another element, such as an image on the page. A window-less control can also support transparency and layering which is why it can float on top of the page.

This was never implemented on the Mac, and I don't think Netscape ever bothered to get it working on Linux either (hard to tell seeing how very few developers released plugins for Linux or any other UNIX OS). So, IMHO, this is kind like a huge plug for alternative OS's like OS X and Linux simply because these ads can't work. If I recall correctly, there are plans to eventually include window-less controls in Mozilla. This is a good idea for designers and such but we all know that some marketing schmoe is going to abuse it. Much like they are now.

Re:ads for IE only...

[rjamestaylor]

Konqueror does Flash just fine (I'm using Konq 2.2.1).

Yahoo too

[cr@ckwhore]

I saw this very type of ad on Yahoo! the other day... it was a lemon that bounced around the screen for a bit, then moved off to the side. Its pretty annoying, and I fully expect to see a lot more of that in the coming months.

These people have to understand how it is going to effect their site! I think it detracts from what the site is really offering, and I'm willing to bet that a lot of viewers won't be inclined to use the site as they had previously. Once this type of advertising demonstrates the damage it can cause to a site's image and readership, then we'll move on the next phase of advertising... how about something that doesn't suck?

It'll happen soon enough

[autopr0n]

It is as if you were trying to watch TV and a guy with a "Buy M&Ms" sign would step in front of the TV while my show is going on.

Just wait. In a couple of years, when the price of PVRs go down enough so that everyone can afford them, TV stations are going to start doing just that. Shoving advertising on top of regular TV content. Probably taking up portions of the screen like the side/top whatever. Maybe shrinking down the image and filling the borders with advertisements.

Long gone will be the days of bathroom breaks and channel surfing.

Re:It'll happen soon enough

[nomadic]

It is as if you were trying to watch TV and a guy with a "Buy M&Ms" sign would step in front of the TV while my show is going on.

Actually I thought it was more like a guy running in circles around your TV, screaming "BUY M&Ms", and pelting you with them.

Time to edit the hosts file....

[(H)elix1]

While this does not really stop the ads from using dhtml to hork around with your page, having most of the ads DNS name pointed to your own server with a light 404 or (nothing at all) goes a long way to making everything right in the world.

I use to collect my own list, and then I found http://www.smartin-designs.com/ 's site that covers most everything.

Now if I could just figure out how to replace all 1px images with my own transparent gif - damn those web bugs....

Re:Time to edit the hosts file....

[sohp]

1px square images can be effectively disabled in Mozilla by adding the following to your userContent.css file:

IMG[height="1"][width="1"], IMG[height="1px"][width="1px"]
{display: none !important;}

This file is in the chrome subdirectory of your person profile. It's a bit of stylesheet that overrides everything else and prevents mozilla from loading any 1x1 image. OK so some pages where webauthors might be using these as spacers might display a bit. Boohoo.

Re:Time to edit the hosts file....

[brunes69]

This is totally wrong. Just because something's style is set to "display:none" does NOT mean it is not downloaded, it just means it isn't rendered. What this does is effectivly eliminate the beneficial uses for one pixel images, while at the same time allowing the horrible uses for them (tracking).

This is really bad advice.

Re:"Platform agnostic"

[rjamestaylor]

It means, while they do not deny the existence of a platform other than Windows/IE, they have no knowledge of such a platform and doubt it would possible to find it.

Nothing new - and runs on Netscape

[ClubStew]

This is nothing new! I've been seeing this for several months, now. Also, it's just Macromedia Flash, so it actually can run on Netscape with Macromedia Flash installed. Maybe the advertisers are too dump to know that, but isn't that a good thing? So advertisers are computer stupid, our government is computer stupid, AOL users are computer stupid. Is there no end?

Re:Nothing new - and runs on Netscape

[ClubStew]

Exactly my problem with that! And the guys that line their pockets with greenbacks tell the government twisted truths (my mamma always called them "lies") to put down the things they don't like - like MP3's (RIAA), linux (Microsoft and the SSSCA, since they are the only ones that support the underlying technology right now on OS's) and so many more.

Actually, I like them

[david_g]

Ok, they're really annoying, but at least they're creatively made. And let's face it. Ads are the main driving force of all the media. Why should the net be any different? There is no such thing as a 'free lunch' as everyone knows...

Not that I like ads, but I understand sites need to have a way to survive. What I would like to see, though is:

1. An alternative to seeing those ads: some kind of subscription method for people who are regulars to a site and don't mind contributing. In exchange, they get to turn the ads off, and maybe some other goodies.
2. For people who don't want to subscribe, and since they'll be seeing the ads anyway, at least give them a way to choose what kind of ads they want to see.
3. For everybody else, tough. The world doesn't revolve around you and people have to eat. If you don't like it, go find other sites to see.

People really should stop being so selfish. I'm starting to believe that the 'geek' title so many people here are proud to use is nothing more than a certificate of insensitiveness, egocentrism and selfishness...

How about... growing up?

Re:Actually, I like them

[droleary]

Ok, they're really annoying, but at least they're creatively made.

Yeah, and so were banner ads for the first year (tops). If the history of the web is any indication, it won't take long before the uncreative marketing types drown us all in absolute garbage.

People really should stop being so selfish. I'm starting to believe that the 'geek' title so many people here are proud to use is nothing more than a certificate of insensitiveness, egocentrism and selfishness...

Selfish is expecting to be rewarded in any way for putting up some crap site. Because most here are geeks, we do understand what it takes to put a site together and what it is "worth", either in subscription cost or ad annoyance. Far too many sites overvalue their content, and that is why you're never going to see them move to a subscription model, because then reality really comes crashing down on you when you discover that your site is so worthless that people won't pay a bloody buck a month for it.

How about... growing up?

How about getting back to the idea that the web was based on (sharing information) instead of trying to turn everything into a profit making venture?

Re:Actually, I like them

[pjrc]

For everybody else, tough. The world doesn't revolve around you and people have to eat. If you don't like it, go find other sites to see.

Yes, and they're practically starving having tried ever increasingly annoying ads, so why not make them even more annoying? Maybe they'll break through that "barrier" of annoyance and get the user to notice them (and respond positively) and finally make a buck.

Re:Actually, I like them

[Malcontent]

What's with all the whitespace...

Anyhoo. The ads are for the suckers. It's just another stupid tax. For those people too stupid to use mozilla, too stupid to use a proxy, too stupid to change their home page, too stupid to do anything but open their mouths wide so that corporations can shovel shit down their throats.

I say let the stupid pay the stupid tax. The rest of us can enjoy ourselves at their expense.

BTW. This kind of thing is exactly why IE invented. IE is not a web browser it's an advertisement delivery device to windows users.

Re:Actually, I like them

[Saeger]

Why should the net be any different?

Because unlike TV, radio, newspaper, billboards, and the rest, we are NOT a captive audience anymore. It's a two-way communication medium, like the telephone, that doesn't respond well to constant in-your-face sales pitches; and with software, those of us who have a particularly strong aversion to annoying influence peddlers (aka: advertisers), can simply opt-out of the noise, saving the site wasted ad bandwidth ($), and us wasted aggravation (!).

Not that I like ads, but I understand sites need to have a way to survive.

Thanks for volunteering your mind for product branding! As long as there's enough people like you (and there are) who don't mind being pawns in a massive mental engineering game, there's still hope! Into your willing consumer brains will be planted DESIRE; that desire will thusly translate into an eventual SALE; that sale -- which includes covering the hidden cost of your own manipulation -- will thusly keep the affiliate site, WWW.THE-NET-WAS-SUPPOSED-TO-BE-A-GOLDMINE.COM, afloat with a cut of the profit (simplified 10X). :-)

Me on the the hand...If I want something, I'll go looking for it, and not the other way around. Ads are a relatively recent invention anyway, and they just aren't for everyone. So should I be kicked off the net because I'm a "bad consumer?" and who are these Jones' I'm supposed to keep up with? :)

Oh, I also make extensive use of an "un-american" tool called pricegrabber to shave off even more of those high reseller profit margins.

--

Re:Actually, I like them

[scrytch]

> IE is not a web browser it's an advertisement delivery device to windows users.

Which must be why IE6 defaults to blocking third-party cookies. Cripes, slashdot is becoming more and more unreadable as rabid morons increasingly get a default of 2.

Re:Actually, I like them

[demaria]

And yet, without ads, slashdot would not exist.

(including thinkgeek banners)

Re:It works in Konqueror 2.2.1

[rjamestaylor]

I'll submit this as a bug to the KDE team...

Test market research?

[Legion303]

The Onion had this sort of floating ad flying around the screen with that Say It Isn't So movie.(Guy fucks girl, discovers big secret: is she really his sister? Who cares?)

It lasted for less than a week, and I never saw anything like it since. I believe people bitched so loudly at them that they decided to stop running the ads. Now they're using the "redirect" ads for the AV Club section (click on link, get a full-page ad that redirects you to the content after a pause). Very annoying.

-Legion

I give up: Where do I pay?

[rjamestaylor]

I'm so very tired of the "advertising" model of Webvenue (kinda like revenue) that I'm willing to pay to avoid it. This kind of ad is getting in the way of the actual content I'm seeking.

Of course this means information will be less available, but I can afford a little expense to have a pleasant online experience.

Where do I sign up for a pre-paid, ad-free Internet?

A great way to LOSE readers and customers.

[Maul]

After seeing those demos, I'm about 10 times less likely to consider AT&T broadband, and I'm NEVER going to visit boston.com ever, ever again. It doesn't seem to me that one doesn't want to ANNOY THE HELL out of potential customers, but these ads seem specifically designed to do just that.

flash demos

[pneuma_66]

Since i use mozilla i wanted to see if their ads would work on it. The reason they work, is that the demos are completely done in flash. Just look at the source, its only about ten lines, and only contains the swf file.
I think it is a bit strange that they arent using the actual html to perform their dog and pony show.

unbelievable

[ethereal]

Y'know, reading the comments here, I had no idea what I'd been missing. You people have been stuck with ads that are literally taking over your computers, and not in the old-fashioned millions-of-onexit-porn-windows sense, either. And all you can say is "well, that's pretty annoying, so I don't go to that site anymore"?? Wake up!

At least now I know that everyone who crows about how IE is such a superior browser have been just blowing smoke for the last few years - using the supposedly "inferior" Netscape browser, all I seem to miss out on are annoying advertisements. Sure, I'll admit that Netscape has problems, but I can honestly say that nothing about using NS 4.7x over the past few years has ever been as annoying as having an ad take over my whole computer screen the way it's described here.

Face it - for all your IE boosterism, you've been using and applauding a superior marketing platform, nothing more. Considering that Microsoft is basically an advertising business, maybe this shouldn't be as much of a surprise to me...

...my god, I'm about to turn into one of those lynx-using elitists. Ack!

Re:unbelievable

[Malcontent]

If you used mozilla you'd have a more fine grain control. Actually combination of mozilla and proximitron kicks serious ass. For those on Linux of course they have many re-write proxies as well as junkbusters.

Re:unbelievable

[Malcontent]

The main purpose of IE is to deliver windows users to advertisers. It's not really a web browser.

Re:unbelievable

[bryan1945]

Thank you. So much IE raving here (on a site that loves its Linux?!?), while the whole time I use Netscape and avoid like 70% of the problems that are mentioned here? Yeah, I have to load IE to view some sites (for example, CBS's college football site), but 99% work just fine for me. The big bonus I see is that my company uses Netscape email, so we don't get hit by 95% of the common viruses spread by email due to auto-propagation through Outlook. I constantly hear about all these "great and wonderful" aspects of other email programs, but I have yet to miss any of these "great" features that people espouse.

At what point did collective mindshare become the better choice on /.?

Re:Atleast surfers should be happy that ....

[lunky]

>All the webpages loose their "content" and turn
> into advertisements, like on TV.
Wrong. You are missing the point. Noone likes having to watch advertisements on TV. Noone wants the internet to become like TV.

>For those of
>you complaining, I'd recommend spending your
>energies working on a viable micropayment system
>which will allow the webmasters to keep their
>content driven sites open.
No! For those of you complaining, stop going to these websites that "litter" the internet, you have the power!
I've recently gotten "off" of Yahoo! for exactly this reason...and you know what? I'm just as productive with AltaVista and I don't have to wait for the pizzas (read "litter") to get off the screen to use their search engine.

Vote for Mozilla Bug 70805

[Ms.Taken]

This "bug" (actually an enhancement suggestion) would mirror Mozilla's image blocking features for Flash objects. Users would be able to block Flash from all sites, selected sites, or enable a pop-up asking whether a site is permitted to run Flash.

It sounds like a perfect solution for people who want to keep Flash available while avoiding "Shoshkeles" and the like.

As ever they have it all wrong.

[Second_Derivative]

OK, I'm an admin at a rather large (5000ish users) messageboard. Pray excuse the blatant plug but this is a fairly good case in point. People tend to spend extensive amounts of time on it, and the average users online is somewhere in the region of fifty during busy hours. So, naturally one would expect the company running the banner ads running our site to be thrilled (well, we dont do business with them directly, instead we go via the GSN network). Err, yeah possibly. Now let's examine the demographic for a second here. Check the calendar and some people's profiles and it would appear that most people are around, say, 14-21 years of age, with a lot living in Canada and the united kingdom, as well as the US.

So why the bloody hell do I see ads for god damn anti-baldness cream?! Saw these a while ago. I dont know many teenagers with a hairloss problem. Only, now we see some long-distance offers for as little as 4 cents per hour! wow! I'm ecstatic! please! tell me where to sign up!!!!

Oh, hang on

See, if you resolve my IP, it ends in .uk

So I'm not eligible for the service.

Drat.

Such a pity they wasted an impression on me.

This shouldnt be happening. Come on, if they stopped using their technical expertise to come up with elaborate systems which send me cookies but don't even sharpen their focus, they might be able to come up with something a bit more clever. Like resolving my IP (I'm gonna view more than one page per site so they can cache it) and serving me an ad based on something that's available in my area. Like an ADSL ISP in the UK with interesting rates - this might actually warrant me to click on it, and considering most people don't suddenly drop everything and tear off to their nearest Volkswagen dealership as soon as they see an ad on TV, that's an impression definately NOT wasted.

Or during the signup process for our site we could supply some information about us. Like the fact that we're a site based around a computer game series, or that most people here arent actually old enough to take out a credit card account with all those wonderful APR incentives. Serve me an ad for where I can get a PS2 or GeForce3 in the UK on the cheap! I'd click that too!

No, let's be big, flashy and patronising. That's always worked, hasnt it. Morons.

Actually all you have to do is ...

[openbear]

Actually all you have to do is set the "run activex controls" setting to prompt or disable. It is interesting to note that if you try this with the demos from United Virtualities then the ad will not appear, but then neither does the original page you wanted to view. If you try this with the live boston.com site then you get the content and no annoying ads.

I wonder if the marketing and sales of United Virtualities intentionaly did this with the demos to "prove" that their technique is "flawless".

Re:Use Lynx, then you won't have a problem...

[Glytch]

Amen to that. I cheered the day that I found Opera and ditched Netscape forever. A small, efficient, full-featured graphical X browser that doesn't have the bloat of Konquerer or the instability of Mozilla? A beautiful piece of software. The folks at Opera deserve every dollar I've given them, and more. Here's hoping for their success. :)

BIG QUESTION

[FFFish]

Big Question: Do advertisements work, or are companies being duped?

Do advertisements work? Is there really an increase in sales after a product is advertised? Does everyone run out and buy Vidal Sassoon when the salon advertisement plays? Does GM really sell more "like a rocks" because of their ads?

I understand that at one level, advertisements must work: people won't buy a product if they aren't aware of it.

But beyond making people aware (ie. stating "Hey, this product exists, here's what it can do for you" in the simplest possible form), does advertising work?

Do flashy annoying ads work better than static ads?

Or are businesses being suckered by the world's best conmen?

Re:BIG QUESTION

[FFFish]

I agree: smokers are probably brand-loyal: they stick with what they started with.

Does the advertising influence their first choice in cigarettes, or do they smoke what their friends ended up smoking?

I suspect the latter. Which means that, except for influencing the original "Eve" of that cluster of friends, the advertising is ineffective. It's just that influencing Eve is important enough that it's worth expending millions on capturing her mindshare.

What I figure is probably happening with advertising is that it's mainly to establish brand consciousness for first-time buyers. After they've bought, consumers tend to remain brand-loyal, and the advertising has little to no effect on them.

Re:BIG QUESTION

[Malcontent]

Of course they do. Would coke and pepsi spend billions of dollary trying to sell you sugar water if it didn't. If it didn't work it would not exist.

Re:BIG QUESTION

[Tackhead]

> Big Question: Do advertisements work, or are companies being duped?

An ad agency is a bunch of con men who con you into believing they can con your customers.

Re:BIG QUESTION

[FFFish]

Ah, you've said it better than I! :-)

I think that what you (we) said is basically true: advertising is a con game, sold to suckers. Suckers buy the advertising, thinking it will pay back better than it costs; and suckers buy the products, thinking the advertising is truthful.

Re:BIG QUESTION

[Phroggy]

I don't smoke, never have. If I suddenly decided to take up smoking on my own, I'd probably start with Marlboro, then try something else if I didn't like it. Why? Entirely due to advertising.

Re:BIG QUESTION

[Phroggy]

I like Jack in the Box commercials. I find McDonald's commercials to be highly annoying. When I'm deciding where to have lunch, this may not be the most important factor in my decision, but I feel much better about eating at Jack in the Box. All other things being equal (rare), the advertising determines who gets my money.

Re:BIG QUESTION

[bryan1945]

I would say yes for the first time I went somewhere for a product. After the first few times, I start to try out alternatives, and eventually learn what each has to offer (if I don't like the first product better than the previous. Example, Herbal Essence got me to try their shampoo- I liked it and stayed. Since then I've tried a few others, but always came back)

I would hope that most non-brain dead folks would occasionally try out other alternatives just in case, but that is farther than I'm willing to believe in people at this point. The fact that people tell me that Windows is the best OS ever, even though they never used another OS, bugs me. Hell, we are a consultation company, we are supposed to supply the BEST solution to every project, not the "obvious" one!!!!!!!! (And here is where my profession is tarnished... sad, sad)

Oddly enough, whatever my wife orders the first time she goes to a new restaurant (assuming she like the meal) she will order almost every time after because she doesn't want to experience a bad meal, even with the chance of that meal being better. I try at least 5 meals before I determine a favorite.

To summarize this wandering post- most advertising is equivalent to a snack/bathroom break. Occasionally I may get snookered into trying something new, but for the most part I try new stuff randomly just to make sure I'm not missing something good because they have a smaller budget for marketing.

Best part- how many people are convinced to drink Coke/Pepsi due to marketing? Near zero, since alomost everyone tries both before deciding which they like better?

I feel a little bit guilty about these

[ShieldWolf]

I find these ads very annoying and having worked as one of the lead developers for a competing product (by the company EyeReturn), I feel a little responsbile. ;) EyeReturn's concept is much cooler IMHO.

-Shieldwolf

Lynx!

[hawk]

>> Besides, I've already seen annoying ads like these on weather.com.

> The more recent, more annoying ads are the reason I've stopped using
> weather.com. I like the site, but the ads are just too annoying.

You know, in all the years that I've been using lynx, it hasyet to blink something at me . . .

hawk

Popup Ads: 2025

[syf0n]

Today Boston.com is trying out a new ad scheme called the "Chichacolockney"! This new, media rich ad dominates your screen, then wraps it's tentacles around the sides of your monitor and pulling itself out of cyberspace into reality! It then proceeds to run rampant about your home, screaming advertisements for a company, until you catch it and beat it to death.

Re:Popup Ads: 2025

[Tackhead]

> Today Boston.com is trying out a new ad scheme called the "Chichacolockney"! This new, media rich ad dominates your screen, then wraps it's tentacles around the sides of your monitor and pulling itself out of cyberspace into reality! It then proceeds to run rampant about your home, screaming advertisements for a company, until you catch it and beat it to death.

Y'know, if I could have the satisfaction of beating the ad delivery vehicle to death, I wouldn't mind ads half as much as I do now.

Shoshkeles are annoying. What you describe sounds like fun.

My letter to customersupport@boston.com

[RareHeintz]

I also cc:ed lmcinnis@boston.com, who is apparently somehow personally responsible for all this. To whom it may concern: I just had the single most annoying experience I have ever had on the web. These benighted spawn of the popup-window, "Shoshkeles", effectively bar me from viewing content until they're done pushing for the duration of their existence on the screen - that is to say, they impede me from doing what I came to the site to do in the first place. I'm a Boston resident with great interest in the local news, local events, and the arts - but you may be assured that I'll be going elsewhere online or (dare I say it?) to a newspaper for my local information needs until this damned nuisance is removed from the pages of Boston.com. I will also not purchase products or services pushed at me in this manner. To drive the point home again: Stopping me from doing what I came to the site to do is not going to amuse me or inform me, it is going to annoy me. Keeping me from viewing the information the site offers is not going to endear me of either the site or the wares advertised in this manner. - Brad Heintz

Not all that new

[DerekLyons]

The Hollywood Stock Exchange has been using something like this for two months or so advertising 'Oceans 11'. The cursed thing makes it nearly impossible to login unless you click to view the advertisement.

What I'm missing with WebWasher

[Animats]

My current WebWasher stats:

• Filtered images: 97,578
• 
  Filtered windows: 3,868
  Filtered scripts: 13,558
  Filtered layers: 1,094
  Filtered frames: 3,059
  Filtered forms: 978
  Filtered cookies: 54,518
  Images received: 191,787
  Connections made: 285,527
  Statistics since Fri, 15 Jun 2001.

So you don't have to look at ads on the web.

Here is a good practice for IE users

[weave]

Go into Tools -> Internet Options, click on Security tab, then Custom Level. Scroll a wee bit down and change "Run ActiveX Controls and plug-ins" and "Script ActiveX controls" from enabled to prompt.

It not only kills this kinda crap, it also protects you from the malicious IE/activeX hole of the week.

Now, since all plugins are installed as an activeX control of sometype (including java and flash), you need to say Yes when prompted for those. You'll quickly learn when to say yes and no from practice. You can't make a mistake since you're basically always saying yes by default. If you say No and some page functionality you WANT to see is lost, reload and answer Yes.

Re:kill them

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, the website states:
NOTE: Please note that the demos showcased on this page are Flash 4 based. This is done for confidentiality reasons. If you need to test the functionality of final release Shoshkeles (TM) please contact us.
So, it would seem that they are NOT flashed based, only the demos are.

Potential for revenge?

[Ungrounded Lightning]

how about:
"Shoshkeles, named for the middle daughter of their creator, ..."

Maybe we can get them busted for child abuse?

That is not the point

[sapped]

The point is not that most people want all the ads to go away. Most of us with a brain realize that the ads are required. If the ads are there in a nonintrusive way, then people will be more likely to click on them if they are relevant.

Take weather.com for example. Massive ads for some or other casino every time I visit. Big waste of bandwidth for me - big waste of resources for them. Big waste all round, because I am not interested in gambling at all.

Now, after I have not clicked on an ad for the 700th time, the advertiser should slowly start getting a message. "Hmmm, maybe this guy does not like gambling. How about we try some car adverts on him?" As they have a cookie to track me already, how difficult can this be!?

This technology is pretty easily blocked.

[popupcop]

The technology is called "DHTML Flying Ads" by DoubleClick and is described (fairly accurately, with examples) at this web page: http://richmedia.doubleclick.net/floating/dhtmlfly ing.htm

I especially like this sentence in their description: "However, because they command so much attention, there is the potential for a negative user reponse -- to help prevent this, campaigns should be run in short flights or with frequency caps."

By the number of posts to this thread, I would hazard a guess that the above statment is accurate.

Now for the shameless self-promotion. I am the author of a shareware IE add-in called PopUpCop, which does block these ads. They go away when one blocks script timers and Flash AutoPlay.

Not only do these ads suck, they break the site!

[red_shift]

After the annoying ad runs, it turns whatever portion of the screen the animation covered into a hyperlink to the advertiser! You can't click on any of the news, pix, or nav bars without getting shanghai'd off to AT&T Broadband (cocksuckers) or whoever else is paying for this crap.

These people should be ashamed of themselves

Try it yourself: http://www.unitedvirtualities.com/demo/at&t2/

Isaac in Cambridge

These ads are *not* for IE only

[J.C.B.]

I'm running the linux version of communicator 4.78 and I'm seeing them. I do have the flash plugin installed, but disabling it in the application prefrences doesn't seem to kill the ads.

Re:cool!

[popupcop]

Could this be because Mozilla does not support Flash? Or the JavaScript statements "setTimer" and "setInterval"?

This type of ad can be implemented without Flash, using only DHTML and transparent GIF's.

I would be careful before declaring complete immunity. It looks like this particular advertiser chose to target only IE users.

For an intelligent and mostly accurate discussion (with examples)of the technology, called "DHTML Flying Ads", go to the DoubleClick site: http://richmedia.doubleclick.net/floating/dhtmlfly ing.htm

I really like this sentence: "However, because they command so much attention, there is the potential for a negative user reponse -- to help prevent this, campaigns should be run in short flights or with frequency caps."

Judging by the activity level here, they sure got that right.

I have detailed knowledge of the techniques because I am the author of PopUpCop, a shareware add-in for IE 5 and above that can block this type of annoying web site behavior, if the user turns of script timers and Flash autoplay....

full screen windows are a bad idea anyway

[vscjoe]

Is a mid-size window with a puzzle piece. It seems like they are trying to open up a full-scren Flash window (I am sooo disappointed). It would be really bad for browsers to allow this, not only because it's annoying but also because it allows Trojan horses (pop up a screen that looks like a Windows NT loging screen, for example).

It already does

[Preposterous Coward]

TiVo put some channel on my TV the other night -- TNT, maybe -- that actually had little ads circulating in the lower-right corner of the screen in the spot where the semi-transparent network watermark usually appears. They were mostly ads for other shows on the network, and not tremendously big, but it was still distracting and annoying.

And of course product placement is rampant. Ever notice how many black-and-white cow-splotch-pattern Gateway boxes you see being carried around on shows like ER? It's not accidental, I'm sure.

Umm, folks, wtf? Why is this a problem?

[Kasreyn]

Apparently ever /. weenie sees this as a golden opportunity to crawl out from under their rock and scream about IE sucking. Here's a tip for you clueless wankers:

Tools | Internet Options

Security Tab. Click Custom Level. Select everything under "ActiveX" to "prompt" (or "disable").

Click Ok. Click Apply.

Enjoy your Shoshkele-less surfing.

Sheeeeesh.

-Kasreyn,

who is tired of /.ers knocking IE for being Evil without acknowledging its strengths.

P.S. Since Boston.com were so nice about carefully commenting what their HTML does, I should have my "Kill Shoshkeles" rule for the Proxomitron written in about 20 minutes.

We Have To Pay The Hosting Bills

[waldoj]

Guys, this sucks, but we've got to pay our hosting bills. And that's all there is to it. One of my sites (we won our second annual VH1 Music Award for "Coolest Fan Website" just last weekend) is tremendously popular. Bajillions of hits each month, and traffic increases by about 15% each month, every month. In the past 16 months, we went from getting $4 CPM to $0.22 CPM on our ads, and that number is rapidly dropping. With a monthly hosting and bandwidth bill of $450, that's just not cutting it. Now only about 10% of our ads shown are network ads; the rest are for t-shirts and stickers that we sell. So now we have to put a lot of work into printing and shipping shirts, which sucks; we just want to be running a website.

Y'all can't free-ride forever -- these hosting and bandwidth fees have to be paid somehow. Yes, the ads suck, yes, they're poorly-placed, yes, they don't pertain to you, yes, they're intrusive. But that's not our fault. Most of us are just trying to break even so that we can pursue our hobby sites. So suck it up and deal with terrible ads.

-Waldo Jaquith

Re:We Have To Pay The Hosting Bills

[93 Escort Wagon]

At one gardening site for which I'm the webmaster, we thought we had found a reasonable answer - a service that put only relevant, targeted banner ads on our site. A good idea, that addresses most peoples' concerns.

Unfortunately the company providing this service found that it just couldn't make this into a profitable model. They couldn't charge the advertisers more money than the shotgun ad placers (i.e. DoubleClick) did, but it obviously cost them more to do this. In the end they were part of the dot-com bust, and now we're once again in the position of trying to at least break even while not alienating our user base.

I hate ads too, but any site with any significant traffic - including slashdot - just can't keep spending more than they're taking in. Eventually venture capitalists expect a return on their investment.

As an aside: As CSS develops, and browsers continue to improve their support for it, *nix users can expect to see these intrusive ads on their favorite browsers as well. You can possibly hope for "opt out" switches in your browser (like Galeon provides for images), but it seems unlikely that the Mozilla or Konqueror developers are going to refuse to support the W3C standard.

Re:We Have To Pay The Hosting Bills

[Tackhead]

> Y'all can't free-ride forever -- these hosting and bandwidth fees have to be paid somehow.

Maybe if your web server gave me the 3K of text that comprised the content I wanted, without the 50K of surrounding Javashit, and the 700K Flash animation, your bandwidth fees would go down?

Re:Umm, folks, wtf? Why is this a problem?

[90XDoubleSide]

I don't think anyone should knock IE for being terrible, because it is a worthy effort, especially since Netscape stopped trying (although that really was MS' fault) and Mozilla doesn't have a usable UI yet. But there are much better alternatives out there. In OnmiWeb I can not only turn off scripting, I can leave it on and set "Scripts can only open new windows: in response to being clicked" or "Scripts can only open new windows: never." In addition to a bunch of other great privacy options such as deleting cookies on quit, running applets only when clicked on, built-in browser masquerading, just to name a few. Also noteworthy is the fact that other browsers don't need this feature because no one else in willing to expose thier users to the security exploits inherent in ActiveX. Even the Mac version of IE ships with ActiveX disabled. IE suffers from the mediocrity that plagues all MS products; that doesn't make it bad, but most people want to go for something better.

Why these might succeed

[nebby]

Honestly, I think the major problem with web advertising is the fact that advertisers under-estimate its effectiveness.

Think about it, if you were watching a television and an ad for a new car came up, and you had a button on your remote to stop watching your show and get more information about the car, how many people would hit the button? Zero. That's exactly what banner ads are doing.

Impressions are everything, clicking on a banner ad is unsurprisingly a very rare occasion. Just like the ads on TV, when you have a banner ad you're paying for product exposure and awareness, nothing more. Advertisers shouldn't expect a banner ad to turn directly into profit (ie, user clicks on banner ad, goes to site, immediately buys product. See: affiliate programs) since no other ad model expects this (except maybe those Call Now! TV ads.)

I honestly don't have a problem with these flyover ads. They're in there for the right reason: exposure. Banner ads never really did the job as far as exposure goes, simply because they're very easy to completely avoid glancing over for the trained web user.

These new ads are probably clickable, but I would expect that the exposure element is what you're paying for. You don't have to read the site, so you have no right to bitch. I think this model will end up being the most successful (though yes, the most annoying for anal Slashdot anti-ad centric users.)

Too many people here seem to forget that the ads are not target towards Linux running cookie-avoiding anti-Flash/Glitz/graphics geeks. They're targeted towards the people who look at the web like an interactive up to date television, and for those people, this will probably succeed better than the others. You guys are a speck on the radar, and for all the snickering about "haha platform agnostic my ass!" and "I'll just turn off Flash! I am so smart!" they might be the ones laughing all the way to the bank in the end. I guess we'll just have to see.

PopUpKiller

[FreakyGeeky]

My favorite anti-popup tool for Windows is PopUpKiller. It works with IE, Netscape, Opera, and Mozilla. Check it out.

MUCH better....

[EvilStein]

I tried their samples on my G3 (tried it with IE 5) and it loaded the website, brought the Schlotzky or whatever, played it once, and *WENT AWAY TOTALLY*

If this means the end of that goddamn "punch the monkey" flashing blinking seizure inducing banner ad crap, then I'm all for it.

i would much rather see ads that just GO AWAY after they annoy you. The problem will come when people start making these things pop up every 5 minutes or something...

Re:"... no discernable download..."? HA!!!

[chompz]

It sure is a good thing that flash streams itself without blocking the rendering of the rest of the page.

Boycott the products and let them know.

[clarkie.mg]

Yes those ads are obtrusive and annoying.

I am gonna write a template email to complain to the companies who hope to sell products with those ads. It will be something like :

Dear sir, madam,

I recently viewed an advertisement for your product XXX on the site YYY. This advertisement was very annoying and obtrusive and, although I support advertisement, I feel that annoying your customers is NOT a good commercial practice.

Therefore, as you chose to annoy me, I choose to boycott your products. I will also send an email to the 278 friends in my address book calling them to do the same. I will also post a call to boycott your products on my weblog.

...

I will only do this to the most annoying ads so that it has a real value.

What do they think ? That we are sheep ?

oh sheesh

[Micah]

If I don't want to buy their junk, I won't buy it regardless of how slick they make the presentation.

Here's a novel idea: advertise something I WANT to buy (hint: not much) and provide a nice text link followed by a 200 or so character description of it!

You get "banner" ads in most of those too...

[Svartalf]

If you don't, you're paying something like 75-150 per year for a subscription to the ones that don't spam you.

All I ask is for these clowns to view it like any other advertising- they don't get "click-throughs" with TV, print, or billboards, why in the hell should they insist on it with the Web? Just because it's doable doesn't mean that they're going to get a useful metric from it.

The largest complaint I have is that it's jarring.

[Svartalf]

What it boils down to is that the effect is nice, but it blocks out my viewing of the content while I'm in the middle of reading it!

This is analogous to pushing an advert right in the middle of a news item in a newscast without waiting for it to be finished. This is not going to work very well because it's the worst of all worlds.

Re:ads for IE only...

[twoflower]

How, precisely, does "platform agnostic" jive with "Internet Explorer only"? Or is IE6 suddenly available for AIX, HPUX, BeOS, PalmOS, ...

Twoflower

Persistent problem with Slashdot

[crucini]

Attention!

1. The 'demos' are shockwave.
   
2. The real shoshkeles are DHTML, not shockwave.
   

A lot of the comments have been based on not understanding this. People post "it works in $browser on $OS."
More fundamentally, this is a persistent problem with Slashdot. Neither the story submitter nor the editor takes the two minutes to dig up and answer the most obvious question or confusion that will arise from the provided links. Therefore instead of an informed discussion we get lots of people blundering around in the dark, powered by misconceptions.

Re:Thank You, Junkbuster Users!

[alecto]

The sooner, the better. The temple that was the Internet didn't need these moneychangers then, and doesn't need them now.

How long before..

[ikekrull]

a browser that blocks this stuff will be ruled as using an illegal circumvention method to modify copyrighted content?

I'd like to see some reasearch. . .

[Bastian]

I'm curious if popunder and popunder ads and inline banners really get more hits than the traditional top-o-the-page banner

I've clicked one or two banner ads that attracted my interest. I don't really mind them. On the other hand, I find other forms of ads so irritating that I ignore purely out of spite. And I doubt they really succeed in getting the user's attention any more than other forms of ad - heck, they probably get less of my attention since I usually close ads that open in separate windows before they can load. And I've never actually followed a link on one of them.

So, at least if you limit the research sample group to me, the top-o-the-page banner is infinitely more effective than other ad types, which are generally a complete waste of money.

Re:I'd like to see some reasearch. . .

[Bastian]

I have no problem with advertising in and of itself, so long as it doesn't potray itself obtrusively. Magazine ads on their own page are fine. Magazine ads inline in the article are not okay. TV Commerical breaks I can live with. TV ads in the form of bars across the bottom of the screen complete with sounds that make it hard to make out whatever is being said in the program you're watching are not. I feel similarly about the net - banner ads, ok. inline banners, no. popovers, no.

Re:Use Lynx, then you won't have a problem...

[IronChef]

I'll see you that, and raise you THIS!

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127.0.0.1 ads.lycos.com
127.0.0.1 ads.mirrormedia.co.uk
127.0.0.1 ads.msn.com
127.0.0.1 ads.narrowline.com
127.0.0.1 ads.newcitynet.com
127.0.0.1 ads.realcities.com
127.0.0.1 ads.realmedia.com
127.0.0.1 ads.smartclicks.com
127.0.0.1 ads.switchboard.com
127.0.0.1 ads.tripod.com
127.0.0.1 ads.usatoday.com
127.0.0.1 ads.washingtonpost.com
127.0.0.1 ads.web.aol.com
127.0.0.1 ads.web.de
127.0.0.1 ads.web21.com
127.0.0.1 adserv.newcentury.net
127.0.0.1 adservant.guj.de
127.0.0.1 adservant.mediapoint.de
127.0.0.1 adserver-espnet.sportszone.com
127.0.0.1 advert.heise.de
127.0.0.1 banners.internetextra.com
127.0.0.1 bannerswap.com
127.0.0.1 customad.cnn.com
127.0.0.1 dino.mainz.ibm.de
127.0.0.1 ganges.imagine-inc.com
127.0.0.1 globaltrack.com
127.0.0.1 globaltrak.net
127.0.0.1 207-87-18-203.wsmg.digex.net
127.0.0.1 Garden.ngadcenter.net
127.0.0.1 Ogilvy.ngadcenter.net
127.0.0.1 ResponseMedia-ad.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 Suissa-ad.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 UGO.eu-adcenter.net
127.0.0.1 VNU.eu-adcenter.net
127.0.0.1 a32.g.a.yimg.com
127.0.0.1 ad-adex3.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 ad.adsmart.net
127.0.0.1 ad.ca.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.de.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.fr.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.jp.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.linkexchange.com
127.0.0.1 ad.linksynergy.com
127.0.0.1 ad.nl.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.no.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.preferences.com
127.0.0.1 ad.sma.punto.net
127.0.0.1 ad.uk.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.webprovider.com
127.0.0.1 ad08.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 adcontroller.unicast.com
127.0.0.1 adcreatives.imaginemedia.com
127.0.0.1 adex3.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 adforce.ads.imgis.com
127.0.0.1 adforce.imgis.com
127.0.0.1 adfu.blockstackers.com
127.0.0.1 adimage.blm.net
127.0.0.1 adimages.earthweb.com
127.0.0.1 adimg.egroups.com
127.0.0.1 admedia.xoom.com
127.0.0.1 adpick.switchboard.com
127.0.0.1 adremote.pathfinder.com
127.0.0.1 ads.admaximize.com
127.0.0.1 ads.bfast.com
127.0.0.1 ads.clickhouse.com
127.0.0.1 ads.enliven.com
127.0.0.1 ads.fairfax.com.au
127.0.0.1 ads.fool.com
127.0.0.1 ads.freshmeat.net
127.0.0.1 ads.hollywood.com
127.0.0.1 ads.i33.com
127.0.0.1 ads.infi.net
127.0.0.1 ads.jwtt3.com
127.0.0.1 ads.link4ads.com
127.0.0.1 ads.lycos.com
127.0.0.1 ads.madison.com
127.0.0.1 ads.mediaodyssey.com
127.0.0.1 ads.msn.com
127.0.0.1 ads.ninemsn.com.au
127.0.0.1 ads.seattletimes.com
127.0.0.1 ads.smartclicks.com
127.0.0.1 ads.smartclicks.net
127.0.0.1 ads.sptimes.com
127.0.0.1 ads.tripod.com
127.0.0.1 ads.web.aol.com
127.0.0.1 ads.x10.com
127.0.0.1 ads.xtra.co.nz
127.0.0.1 ads.zdnet.com
127.0.0.1 ads1.zdnet.com
127.0.0.1 ads2.zdnet.com
127.0.0.1 ads3.zdnet.com
127.0.0.1 ads4.zdnet.com
127.0.0.1 ads5.zdnet.com
127.0.0.1 ads01.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads02.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads03.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads04.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads05.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads06.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads08.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads09.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads1.activeagent.at
127.0.0.1 ads10.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads11.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads12.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads14.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads16.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads17.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads18.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads19.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads2.zdnet.com
127.0.0.1 ads20.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads21.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads22.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads23.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads24.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads25.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads3.zdnet.com
127.0.0.1 ads3.zdnet.com
127.0.0.1 ads5.gamecity.net
127.0.0.1 adserv.iafrica.com
127.0.0.1 adserv.quality-channel.de
127.0.0.1 adserver.dbusiness.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.garden.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.janes.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.merc.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.monster.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.track-star.com
127.0.0.1 adserver1.ogilvy-interactive.de
127.0.0.1 adtegrity.spinbox.net
127.0.0.1 antfarm-ad.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 au.ads.link4ads.com
127.0.0.1 banner.media-system.de
127.0.0.1 banner.orb.net
127.0.0.1 banner.relcom.ru
127.0.0.1 banners.easydns.com
127.0.0.1 banners.looksmart.com
127.0.0.1 banners.wunderground.com
127.0.0.1 barnesandnoble.bfast.com
127.0.0.1 beseenad.looksmart.com
127.0.0.1 bizad.nikkeibp.co.jp
127.0.0.1 bn.bfast.com
127.0.0.1 c3.xxxcounter.com
127.0.0.1 califia.imaginemedia.com
127.0.0.1 cds.mediaplex.com
127.0.0.1 click.avenuea.com
127.0.0.1 click.go2net.com
127.0.0.1 click.linksynergy.com
127.0.0.1 cookies.cmpnet.com
127.0.0.1 cornflakes.pathfinder.com
127.0.0.1 counter.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 crux.songline.com
127.0.0.1 erie.smartage.com
127.0.0.1 etad.telegraph.co.uk
127.0.0.1 fp.valueclick.com
127.0.0.1 gadgeteer.pdamart.com
127.0.0.1 gm.preferences.com
127.0.0.1 gp.dejanews.com
127.0.0.1 hg1.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 image.click2net.com
127.0.0.1 image.eimg.com
127.0.0.1 images2.nytimes.com
127.0.0.1 jobkeys.ngadcenter.net
127.0.0.1 kansas.valueclick.com
127.0.0.1 leader.linkexchange.com
127.0.0.1 liquidad.narrowcastmedia.com
127.0.0.1 ln.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 m.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 macaddictads.snv.futurenet.com
127.0.0.1 maximumpcads.imaginemedia.com
127.0.0.1 media.preferences.com
127.0.0.1 mercury.rmuk.co.uk
127.0.0.1 mojofarm.sjc.mediaplex.com
127.0.0.1 nbc.adbureau.net
127.0.0.1 newads.cmpnet.com
127.0.0.1 ng3.ads.warnerbros.com
127.0.0.1 ngads.smartage.com
127.0.0.1 nsads.hotwired.com
127.0.0.1 ntbanner.digitalriver.com
127.0.0.1 ph-ad05.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ph-ad07.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ph-ad16.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ph-ad17.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ph-ad18.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 realads.realmedia.com
127.0.0.1 redherring.ngadcenter.net
127.0.0.1 redirect.click2net.com
127.0.0.1 regio.adlink.de
127.0.0.1 retaildirect.realmedia.com
127.0.0.1 s2.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 sh4sure-images.adbureau.net
127.0.0.1 spin.spinbox.net
127.0.0.1 static.admaximize.com
127.0.0.1 stats.superstats.com
127.0.0.1 sview.avenuea.com
127.0.0.1 thinknyc.eu-adcenter.net
127.0.0.1 tracker.clicktrade.com
127.0.0.1 tsms-ad.tsms.com
127.0.0.1 v0.extreme-dm.com
127.0.0.1 v1.extreme-dm.com
127.0.0.1 van.ads.link4ads.com
127.0.0.1 view.accendo.com
127.0.0.1 view.avenuea.com
127.0.0.1 w113.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 w25.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 web2.deja.com
127.0.0.1 webads.bizservers.com
127.0.0.1 www.PostMasterBannerNet.com
127.0.0.1 www.ad-up.com
127.0.0.1 www.admex.com
127.0.0.1 www.alladvantage.com
127.0.0.1 www.burstnet.com
127.0.0.1 www.commission-junction.com
127.0.0.1 www.eads.com
127.0.0.1 www.freestats.com
127.0.0.1 www.imaginemedia.com
127.0.0.1 www.netdirect.nl
127.0.0.1 www.oneandonlynetwork.com
127.0.0.1 www.targetshop.com
127.0.0.1 www.teknosurf2.com
127.0.0.1 www.teknosurf3.com
127.0.0.1 www.valueclick.com
127.0.0.1 www.websitefinancing.com
127.0.0.1 www2.burstnet.com
127.0.0.1 www4.trix.net
127.0.0.1 www80.valueclick.com
127.0.0.1 z.extreme-dm.com
127.0.0.1 z0.extreme-dm.com
127.0.0.1 z1.extreme-dm.com
127.0.0.1 ads.forbes.net
127.0.0.1 ads.newcity.com
127.0.0.1 ads.ign.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.ign.com
127.0.0.1 ads.scifi.com
127.0.0.1 adbot.theonion.com
127.0.0.1 adengine.theglobe.com
127.0.0.1 ads.tucows.com
127.0.0.1 adcontent.gamespy.com
127.0.0.1 servedby.advertising.com
127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ads4.advance.net
127.0.0.1 ads1.advance.net
127.0.0.1 ads2.advance.net
127.0.0.1 ads3.advance.net
127.0.0.1 eur.yimg.com
127.0.0.1 us.a1.yimg.com
127.0.0.1 ad.harmony-central.com
127.0.0.1 sg.yimg.com
127.0.0.1 adverity.adverity.com
127.0.0.1 ads.bloomberg.com
127.0.0.1 mojofarm.mediaplex.com
127.0.0.1 ads.mysimon.com
127.0.0.1 ad.img.yahoo.co.kr
127.0.0.1 adimages.go.com
127.0.0.1 kr-adimage.lycos.co.kr
127.0.0.1 ad.kimo.com.tw
127.0.0.1 a676.g.akamai.net
127.0.0.1 a8.g.akamaitech.net
127.0.0.1 a128.g.akamaitech.net
127.0.0.1 a.r.tv.com
127.0.0.1 ads.paxnet.co.kr
127.0.0.1 ads.paxnet.com
127.0.0.1 ads.eu.msn.com
127.0.0.1 ads.admonitor.net
127.0.0.1 wwa.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 ads.nytimes.com
127.0.0.1 ads.erotism.com
127.0.0.1 banner.rootsweb.com
127.0.0.1 ads.ole.com
127.0.0.1 adimg1.chosun.com
127.0.0.1 ss.mtree.com
127.0.0.1 adpulse.ads.targetnet.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.ugo.com
127.0.0.1 ad.sales.olympics.com
127.0.0.1 m2.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ph-ad21.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 focusin.ads.targetnet.com
127.0.0.1 www.datais.com
127.0.0.1 oas.mmd.ch
127.0.0.1 pub-g.ifrance.com
127.0.0.1 ads.bianca.com
127.0.0.1 wap.adlink.de
127.0.0.1 click.adlink.de
127.0.0.1 banner.adlink.de
127.0.0.1 hurricane.adlink.de
127.0.0.1 west.adlink.de
127.0.0.1 scand.adlink.de
127.0.0.1 regio.adlink.de
127.0.0.1 direct.adlink.de
127.0.0.1 classic.adlink.de
127.0.0.1 adlui001.adlink.de
127.0.0.1 banner1.adlink.de
127.0.0.1 click.mp3.com
127.0.0.1 adcodes.bla-bla.com
127.0.0.1 icover.realmedia.com
127.0.0.1 ca.fp.sandpiper.net
127.0.0.1 adfarm.mediaplex.com
127.0.0.1 ads.tmcs.net
127.0.0.1 amedia.techies.com
127.0.0.1 www.exchange-it.com
127.0.0.1 www.ad.tomshardware.com
127.0.0.1 ad.tomshardware.com
127.0.0.1 ads.currantbun.com
127.0.0.1 phoenix-adrunner.mycomputer.com
127.0.0.1 ads15.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ads13.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.colleges.com
127.0.0.1 ads.nwsource.com
127.0.0.1 ads.guardianunlimited.co.uk
127.0.0.1 ads.newtimes.com
127.0.0.1 ads.newsint.co.uk
127.0.0.1 ads.starnews.com
127.0.0.1 www.linksynergy.com
127.0.0.1 ieee-images.adbureau.net
127.0.0.1 ads.link4ads.com
127.0.0.1 connect.247media.ads.link4ads.com
127.0.0.1 ads.newsdigital.net
127.0.0.1 arc5.msn.com
127.0.0.1 arc4.msn.com
127.0.0.1 arc3.msn.com
127.0.0.1 arc2.msn.com
127.0.0.1 arc1.msn.com
127.0.0.1 ads.discovery.com
127.0.0.1 im.800.com
127.0.0.1 img.cmpnet.com
127.0.0.1 ad7.internetadserver.com
127.0.0.1 ads.dai.net
127.0.0.1 ads.cbc.ca
127.0.0.1 www75.valueclick.com
127.0.0.1 ads.clearbluemedia.com
127.0.0.1 ti.click2net.com
127.0.0.1 www.onresponse.com
127.0.0.1 ads.list-universe.com
127.0.0.1 advert.bayarea.com
127.0.0.1 r.hotwired.com
127.0.0.1 www3.pagecount.com
127.0.0.1 www.netsponsors.com
127.0.0.1 adthru.com
127.0.0.1 ads.newtimes.com
127.0.0.1 ads.ugo.com
127.0.0.1 www.newscientistjobs.com
127.0.0.1 ads.belointeractive.com
127.0.0.1 hg1.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 wwb.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 comtrack.comclick.com #french start
127.0.0.1 www.24pm-affiliation.com
127.0.0.1 www.click-fr.com
127.0.0.1 www.cibleclick.com
127.0.0.1 reply.mediatris.net
127.0.0.1 cgi.declicnet.com
127.0.0.1 pubs.mgn.net #french end
127.0.0.1 ads.mcafee.com
127.0.0.1 ads1.ad-flow.com
127.0.0.1 ad.be.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.adtraq.com
127.0.0.1 ad.sg.doubleclick.net #nl
127.0.0.1 adpop.theglobe.com
127.0.0.1 ads-03.tor.focusin.ads.targetnet.com
127.0.0.1 ads.adflight.com
127.0.0.1 ads.detelefoongids.nl
127.0.0.1 ads.ecircles.com
127.0.0.1 ads.god.co.uk
127.0.0.1 ads.hyperbanner.net
127.0.0.1 ads.jpost.com
127.0.0.1 ads.netmechanic.com
127.0.0.1 ads.webcash.nl
127.0.0.1 adserver.netcast.nl
127.0.0.1 adserver.webads.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.webads.nl
127.0.0.1 adserver1.realtracker.com
127.0.0.1 adserver2.realtracker.com
127.0.0.1 adserver3.realtracker.com
127.0.0.1 delivery1.ads.telegraaf.nl
127.0.0.1 holland.hyperbanner.net
127.0.0.1 images.webads.nl
127.0.0.1 sc.clicksupply.com
127.0.0.1 www.ad4ex.com
127.0.0.1 www.bannercampaign.com
127.0.0.1 www.cyberbounty.com
127.0.0.1 www.netvertising.be
127.0.0.1 www.speedyclick.com
127.0.0.1 www.webads.nl #nl end
127.0.0.1 ads.newtimes.com
127.0.0.1 ads.snowball.com
127.0.0.1 ads.amazingmedia.com
127.0.0.1 www10.valueclick.com
127.0.0.1 js1.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 rd1.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 mt37.mtree.com
127.0.0.1 ads.gameanswers.com
127.0.0.1 ads7.udc.advance.net
127.0.0.1 www23.valueclick.com
127.0.0.1 media.fastclick.net
127.0.0.1 img.zmedia.com
127.0.0.1 adcontent.gamespy.com
127.0.0.1 ads.gamespy.com
127.0.0.1 abcnews.footprint.net
127.0.0.1 businessfactory.delphi.com

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[IronChef]

OK, I took their 384, added my personal stash, sorted & uniq'ed it, and here we go... 768 ad busters AND crappy web site busters. You know those sites that attack you with ads when you are looking up a serial number and that kind of thing? I try to log those servers and kill them too.

127.0.0.1 adpulse.ads.targetnet.com
127.0.0.1 207-87-18-203.wsmg.digex.net
127.0.0.1 212.111.44.227
127.0.0.1 247media.com
127.0.0.1 Garden.ngadcenter.net
127.0.0.1 Ogilvy.ngadcenter.net
127.0.0.1 ResponseMedia-ad.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 Suissa-ad.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 UGO.eu-adcenter.net
127.0.0.1 VNU.eu-adcenter.net
127.0.0.1 a.r.tv.com
127.0.0.1 a1204.g.akamai.net ## Too much?
127.0.0.1 a128.g.akamaitech.net
127.0.0.1 a1676.g.akamai.net
127.0.0.1 a32.g.a.yimg.com
127.0.0.1 a676.g.akamai.net
127.0.0.1 a8.g.akamaitech.net
127.0.0.1 abcnews.footprint.net
127.0.0.1 actionsplash.com
127.0.0.1 ad-adex3.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 ad-flow.com
127.0.0.1 ad-up.com
127.0.0.1 ad.100.tbn.ru
127.0.0.1 ad.37.com
127.0.0.1 ad.4web.cz
127.0.0.1 ad.71i.de
127.0.0.1 ad.abcnews.com
127.0.0.1 ad.adsmart.net
127.0.0.1 ad.adtraq.com
127.0.0.1 ad.atlas.cz
127.0.0.1 ad.be.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.blm.net
127.0.0.1 ad.ca.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.centrum.cz
127.0.0.1 ad.ch.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.de.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.dogpile.com
127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.com
127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.eurosport.com
127.0.0.1 ad.fr.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.harmony-central.com
127.0.0.1 ad.howstuffworks.com
127.0.0.1 ad.img.yahoo.co.kr
127.0.0.1 ad.infoseek.com
127.0.0.1 ad.iwin.com
127.0.0.1 ad.jp.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.keenspace.com
127.0.0.1 ad.kimo.com.tw
127.0.0.1 ad.kvantum.cz
127.0.0.1 ad.linkexchange.com
127.0.0.1 ad.linksynergy.com
127.0.0.1 ad.mgd.de
127.0.0.1 ad.net-service.de
127.0.0.1 ad.nl.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.no.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.preferances.com
127.0.0.1 ad.preferences.com
127.0.0.1 ad.sales.olympics.com
127.0.0.1 ad.seznam.cz
127.0.0.1 ad.sg.doubleclick.net #nl
127.0.0.1 ad.sma.punto.net
127.0.0.1 ad.tbn.ru
127.0.0.1 ad.tiscali.com
127.0.0.1 ad.tomshardware.com
127.0.0.1 ad.uk.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.vol.at
127.0.0.1 ad.washingtonpost.com
127.0.0.1 ad.webprovider.com
127.0.0.1 ad08.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ad1.gamezone.com
127.0.0.1 ad1.lbe.ru
127.0.0.1 ad1.outpost.com
127.0.0.1 ad10.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad11.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad12.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad13.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad14.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad15.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad16.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad17.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad18.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad19.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad2.atlas.cz
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Re:ads for IE only...

[DennyK]

...or just remove the Flash plugin from Mozilla, same way you do from Netscape 4.x. I haven't had Flash in any browser but IE for a long time... ;)

DennyK

Re:ads for IE only...

[Tackhead]

> It does seem to work in Mozilla, if you have the stupid Flash plugin installed. Oh well.

Yup, just like yesterday's thread on how techies weren't the right ones to teach newbies how to do "all that flashy graphical stuff" Windoze boxen do.

I knew there was a reason I never install Flash, and why I disable it on any system (Windoze or otherwise) I expect to use regularly.

These Shoshkele things are the excuse I was looking for to show folks how good the Web can be with Flash disabled.

Re:Geez, what a racket

[Tackhead]

> Make sure you turn the sound down before you try this.

Hey, marketroids, if I want your friggin' web site to make noise, I'll lick my fingers and rub the screen.

Until then, fuck you.

Shoshkeles. Named after the guy's daughter. With a name like that, I wouldn't fuck her with the VP of Marketing's dick.

Re:Profiteering dogs!

[Tackhead]

> [the shoshkele] was for a Mini. Yes, those little cars, seen predominantly on Great Britain's streets, which make you want to throw house-bricks at them every time you see them.

What, Austin Minis, or shoshkeles? *rimshot*

> Ad or no ad, I'll get in a Mini when someone pulls me by my cold, lifeless hands into one.

Does the Shoshkele's inventor have another daughter with a goofy name? If so, FOR GOD'S SAKE, MAN, STOP GIVING HIM IDEAS!

Re:Opera

[Tackhead]

> Right. They screw up mouse gestures too.

I only want to make one gesture when I see a Shoshkele, and it ain't with the mouse.

Re:"... no discernable download..."? HA!!!

[scrytch]

Modded up as "insightful" after posting the same nonsense everyone else did.

They are *screenshots* of a site. In flash as opposed to being a gigantic animated gif. As in not the actual sites. As in not the actual ads. Do you look at screenshots for a game and think that the game is a slideshow of jpgs? Does nobody possess the capacity for analytical thought anymore?

Ad Blocked

[MulluskO]

I'm running Windows and IE 5.5. I've also set my hosts cache set up so that ads are blocked. I did not see the ad.

Shoshkele source here

[Jadecristal]

While karma-whoring, it IS still interesting:

Here are the (apparently) main files for the thing, lifted from boston.com. They place it outside of the tag, of course, because they wouldn't want to have the page validate with the W3C.

http://diamond.jvlnet.com/~jadecristal/shoshkele/s hoshkele.zip

More interesting, though, is probably the .js file that appears to be the majority of what it can do:

http://diamond.jvlnet.com/~jadecristal/shoshkele/v aat_v01.js

Someone with more JS coding experience than me can take a look at it...

On crack? Nah -- he just loves his little girl.

[fcalm]

Timothy speculates the marketeer who came up with the name "Shoshkele" was on crack, no doubt. Maybe, but here's another angle.

It's a Yiddishism, a familiar, affectionate or endearing variation of Shoshi or Shoshanah, which is Hebrew for Lily or Rose. It's a pet-name you might use for a sweetheart or, more likely, a very young daughter. Her dad may be clever and proud of his accomplishment, but I feel sorry for the little girl whose name was lent to something so obnoxious. Not exactly a very nice tribute.

__
Fred

Re:ads for IE only...

[Antity]

IE runs on Intel, Athlon, Transmeta, VIA, ...

[OffTopic] Re:marketeers....

[Twylite]

There is a grey area of sufficient mass to sink the Titanic in there.

I don't believe in the existance of God. On the other hand I don't believe that God does not exist. Which in no way says that I believe God exists. I am agnostic in so far as knowing that it is impossible to prove (scientifically) that God exists or not.

The link you have supplied is the regular thological crap. Agnosticism is NOT "I don't know if there is/isn't/are/aren't God(s)", it is "I know that it is not possible to prove the existance or non-existance of God(s)". Atheism is NOT "I don't believe in God", it is "I believe there IS NO GOD". These are vastly different concepts, although often confused by virtue of being "opposite".

The typical position of an agnostic is therefore NOT to believe in a God (or Gods), but on the other hand not to believe that there are no Gods. In other words: They may or may not exist; all I know is I cannot use science to prove this one way or the other; therefore its not going to bother me.

"Agnostic" is not a word derived purely from the roots "a" and "gnostic". It has a distinct theological meaning (as do many other words, such as gnostic, which refers to a specific system of religious beliefs; agnostic certainly doesn't imply disbelief in or the anthesis of gnosticism). The linked article has about as much actual logic as saying that an aphid is not a phid (wtmb).

Remember, the opposition to a view is not necessarily the opposite.

Re:[OffTopic] Re:marketeers....

[nathanh]

Seeing as your argument is simply "your definitions are wrong, here are my definitions" I'll simply attack your definitions. I only really need to attack this one

"Agnostic" is not a word derived purely from the roots "a" and "gnostic"... agnostic certainly doesn't imply disbelief in or the anthesis of gnosticism

And I counter with.

"So I took thought, and invented what I conceived to be the appropriate title of "agnostic". It came into my head as suggestively antithetic to the "gnostic" of Church history" [Huxley, creator of the word 'agnostic']

Information taken from this site

Re:IE's Flash player, or WTF are you talking about

[bryan1945]

The reason these "Shoshkeles" don't work with Navigator is poor feature support in Navigator's Flash player. Alas, it does not support transparent Flash movies.

And it loaded in my Netscape 4.7 browser why? Magic? Or you just never run Netscape? Just wondering...

And yes, please decapitate the person who thought this shit up...

Useability sucks

[kimihia]

What can I say? The useability of these new adverts completely sucks. If you checked out one of the demo pages and tried to click on it, then good luck.

All I ended up doing was clicking on the advert, which although nice and transparent so I couldn't see it, was still in the way.

And I couldn't tab past it either.

Not my web site. I'd never run adverts. They need not have my clicks if they don't want them.