Linux Kernel 2.5.1 is Out
xise writes: "The next installment in the 2.5 Linux Kernel beta series, 2.5.1 is avaliable at the usual place Linux Kernel Archives. Remember to use the mirrors. You can read the changelog here."
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this is not the first post
Does this mean that no more new features will be introduced into the 2.4 series? Or is it only for bug fixes now?
"Not my manner of thinking but the manner of thinking of others has been the source of my unhappiness." - M
Woohoo, another breaking kernel.
Don't mod me up for this... Public service only...
;)
final:
- Al Viro: floppy_eject cleanup, mount cleanups
- Jens Axboe: bio updates
- Ingo Molnar: mempool fixes
- GOTO Masanori: Fix O_DIRECT error handling
pre11:
- Jeff Garzik: no longer support old cards in tulip driver
(see separate driver for old tulip chips)
- Pat Mochel: driverfs/device model documentation
- Ballabio Dario: update eata driver to new IO locking
- Ingo Molnar: raid resync with new bio structures (much more efficient)
and mempool_resize()
- Jens Axboe: bio queue locking
pre10:
- Jens Axboe: more bio stuff
- Ingo Molnar: mempool for bio
- Niibe Yutaka: Super-H update
pre9:
- Jeff Garzik: separate out handling of older tulip chips
- Jens Axboe: more bio stuff
- Anton Altaparmakov: NTFS 1.1.21 update
pre8:
- Greg KH: USB updates
- Jens Axboe: more bio updates
- Christoph Rohland: fix up proper shmat semantics
pre7:
- Jens Axboe: more bio fixes/cleanups/breakage
- Al Viro: superblock cleanups, boot/root mounting.
pre6:
- Jens Axboe: more bio stuff
- Coda compile fixes
- Nathan Laredo: stradis driver update
pre5:
- Patrick Mochel: driver model infrastructure, part 1
- Jens Axboe: more bio fixes, cleanups
- Andrew Morton: release locking fixes
- Al Viro: superblock/mount handling
- Kai Germaschewski: AVM Fritz!Card ISDN driver
- Christoph Hellwig: make cramfs SMP-safe.
pre4:
- Jens Axboe: fix up bio highmem breakage, more cleanups
- Greg KH: USB update
pre3:
- Al Viro: more superblock cleanups
- Jens Axboe: more patches for new block IO layer
- Christoph Hellwig: get rid of the old, long- deprecated SCSI error
handling
pre2:
- Greg KH: USB update
- Richard Gooch: refcounting for devfs
- Jens Axboe: start of new block IO layer
pre1:
- me: README references to 2.4.x -> 2.5.x
- Alexander Viro: fix unmount inode breakage, show_vfsmnt cleanup
- Jeff Garzik: fix 8139too initialization
I like you, Stuart. You're not like everyone else, here, at Slashdot.
Get XP, it kicks ass; any new version of Linux sucks my nards compared to XP.
Let's skip this discussion and wait for the next kernel to come out next week...
You know that Stallman is going to backstab you eventually.
Not because "slashdot isn't freshmeat," but becaused judging from the outcry from unsophisticated users who updated to the latest STABLE kernel when they probably should have been sticking with vendor supplied kernels, most slashdotters either already know about the releases, or probably shouldn't.
Any newbie who trys to install 2.5.1 is in for a learning experience (especially if they use SCSI).
When will they segregate it by CPU type? I don't want, nor do I need, drivers for completely different CPU types. As far as I'm concerned, this is wasted hard disk space - a 30.6MB kernel could be shrunk down significantly if it were, oh say, linux-i386-2.4.16.tar.gz
just a thought.
Rock any harder?
Yep... when we get the new cml2.0 and kbuild for building and configuration
now i'll be up all night downloading it on my 14.4 k modem!
Will RH8 Beta come standard with
Linux 2.5.1-7-SMP
GCC 4.0.0.0.1 ALPHA
XFree86 5.0.0-DEV_ONLY
?
or will they use more cutting edge stuff?
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linux is for bitches
Lorenzo Fratello claims that he was told by Linus himself that Torvalds has lost interest in the linux kernel. "While I expect to continue developing for the near future, I do not expect to be involved with linux a year or two from now".
Please remember that the 2.5.x series is a development series and is NOT meant to be deployed in a stable environment. You are to expect bugs and problems with the 2.5.x series and generally it is not recommended that you install it UNLESS you can program and debug kernel stuff.
You may want to just continue upgrading on the 2.4.x series and wait until 2.6.x is stable.
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Ever need an online dictionary?
Why have I been receiving emails from some guy called "CmdrTaco," in which he seems to be speaking in some kind of code language?
Good Lord. What is "Taco-snotting?"
Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?
I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?
Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?
That's horrible. Does "Taco-snotting" have anything to do with CmdrTaco's "special taco"?
Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a pædophile, not a homosexual.
No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.
________________________________________ RECENT READER COMMENTSOnce comments have been archived by Slashdot, they're removed from the Official Taco-Snotting FAQ. However much I would like to paste 200k crapfloods into Slashdot, my browser is a piece of shit and won't let me!
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Re:Taco-Powered Christmas Snot (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 7:05 (#2707493)
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Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 5:12 (#2707245)
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Re:That's my department, boy! (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward (actually afree87) on 2001.12.15 2:51 (#2706921)
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Re:CmdrTaco BANNED FOR LIFE from Taco Bell!!!!!! (Score:-1)
by WeatherTroll on 2001.12.15 2:48 (#2706907)
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Re:Snottle OSnotX, BSnotD, and Snottan Snottard (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward (actually afree87) on 2001.12.15 2:47 (#2706900)
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Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 1:35 (#2706675)
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Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:-1)
by JonKatz on on 2001.12.15 0:29 (#2706495)
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Important Information For Slashdot Users (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 3:09 (#2702660)
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Re:Snotback: Snotto, Snotz, Snottion (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 2:44 (#2702581)
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Re:Italics are yummy! (Score:-1, Troll)
by Super Mario Troll on 2001.12.14 2:33 (#2702535)
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Re:Italics are yummy! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 1:41 (#2702370)
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Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 7:58 (#2669658)
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Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 5:48 (#2669422)
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Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1)
by GaylordFucker on 2001.12.07 5:39 (#2669394)
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Re:Portable Snotcube! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 3:58 (#2669117)
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Re:Yum yum taco-snotting! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 22:15 (#2644499)
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This is getting old (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 20:14 (#2644227)
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Fucking hilarious too bad it didnt get a 5:Funny (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 19:01 (#2644105)
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Re:Taco-snotting@Home! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Dark_Cobra87 on 2001.12.01 23:03 (#2642180)
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Re:Fuck Linux! Fuck him hard! (Score:-1)
by Fecal Troll Matter on 2001.12.01 20:55 (#2641791)
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Look (Score:-1)
by ArchieBunker on 2001.12.01 20:19 (#2641679)
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Re:Congratulations! You have been WIPO'd!! (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.01 8:37 (#2640602)
________________________________________Has this been submitted to linuxdoc.org yet?
That may be true, but have you made love to a wombat today?
Wow, WipoTroll, you really know how to snot! And you can scramble Slashdot's HTML, too! I love boys who do that! Come over to my place sometime!
CmdrTaco only goes to Taco Bell to get their hot sauce, and to solicit hot sauce enemas from underage male employees. He makes his own tacos.
We love you, WipoTroll! We want you to snot us, WipoTroll!
I want some Taco-snot! Where can I get some?
Please, please, please Taco-snot me. I know I would love it almost as much as fucking young boys. Pleadingly, JonKatz
It has recently come to my attention that the entire Slashdot crew engage in homosexual activities. CmdrTaco is one such person, and has dedicated his life to spreading the ideals of Taco-Snotting while enjoying the benefits of it. For further information on Taco-Snotting please refer to George WIPO Bush's Taco-Snotting FAQ which can be easily found by searching for the Slashdot journal of George WIPO Bush or by looking in the comments of Slashdot articles (Usually modded -1).
It has also come to my attention that CmdrTaco has other interests besides homosexuality (Believe it or not). One such interest includes a budding music career with a song titled "Gaping Anus". The details are sketchy on this topic but I do know that besides the lead vocals of CmdrTaco, it includes Timothy and CowboyNeal (Also members of the Slashdot crew). There has been no release date set for this album or which record label it will be produced under. I believe CmdrTaco is planning to set up his own label, Taco-Snotting Records, with the intention of releasing the song on a cd-single with various remixes as soon as possible (To catch the current popularity of the Taco-Snotting fad). On a side note, I would not believe this fad will ever wear out (like a Snotted-out-geek); I am sorry to say Taco-Snotting is here to stay :-(. Various remixes of Gaping Anus will include: "Extra Jizz", "Snot Me Baby One More Time", "www.Goatse.cx", and "Once You Taco-Snot, You Can't Stop". I am sure many, many, more are sure to come. I predict this album will be a very hot seller this holiday season, especially with in or out of closet homosexuals, and with those who have no self-respect (Readers of Slashdot).
Through a good, non-homosexual friend of mine, I have recieved a copy of the lyrics to the Gaping Anus musical composition. Included after the lyrics is a very speical tribute written by yours truely. Perhaps CmdrTaco will ask me to provide the vocals. Please feel free to read the lyrics and post your comments and disgust. E-mail CmdrTaco with this disgust also.
BTW, please do not reply with the intention of flaming me because the lyrics are a rip-off of Insane Clown Posse's "Slim Anus". For more information on ICP and Slim Anus refer here and here. CmdrTaco is the author of this fine musical work and not me. So, it is obviously he who has ripped off ICP and not me. Thank you.
Read the rest of this shit...
you know, every time i read this i want to punch you more and more. the taco snotting thing is old, lame, boring, and over done. it never was remotely funny or good though. it sounds like a 10th grader wrote it too. so please, go play in traffic or shut the fuck up so real trolls can post.
Keep up the good work! Educate the masses to the dangers of Taco-Snotting!
It's a me, the Super Mario Troll! Would you like to see my gaping troll anusWIPO - Man you trolls are shit compared to Egg Trolls troll's. Egg Man is just so much more original.
That leaky sound you hear is CmdrTaco pissing himself after seeing this.
Slashdot trolling just got a whole lot easier...
http://www.geocities.com/frostpist/
Spread the word!
Q: Is CmdrTaco gay?
A: He Mos' certainly is!
not to mention... The WIPO Troll used himself as a test subject to try out the portable snotbox... i await your results and hope your product gets approved...
Regards, GayGet that rats nest off your head, you numbskull -- Wesley Willis
stfu. no one really cares about your lame little "troll". make some new material (not that anything you've ever said is worth a damn..)
Dear SLASH crew - this post makes it clear why you need to add a new category - "tell it like it is (+1)"
Hey dicksuck, why don't you come up with new troll material? Everyone has seen the tacosnotting 100 times already. Fuckwit. Assholage. Gay. Lick my anal nectar.
this is good shit man
Oops, forgot to check that Taco-snot option...
Mmmmmmm, Taco Sauce...
Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)
I love trolling but this shit is getting old, fast. At least start mixing them up a little bit. How about the 'How OSM was Freed' series?
http://www.naawp.org/
Stop posting this! I've got hangover and Taco Snotting doesn't make me feel any better.
I'm really glad that Taco Snotting is illegal here in Europe.
J. Wipo Troll, Esq.
Crapflooder Associates
Slashdot.org
Ok this is probably a stupid question that will be labeled Troll and a thousand people will respond with RTFM, but is there a way to have more than one kernel (e.g. a stable one and a development one) on the same machine and boot to one or the other. I feel like I've read this somewere but I can't for the life of me remember.
If anyone feels like telling me to RTFM could you tell me where to find the FM?
One of the key things for 2.4 if I remeber right was SMP support. Are they going to work on improving SMP support beyond the process level in 2.5? What could one list as the 'key bullet points' for 2.5 if talking to a manager type for futures of the Linux kernal?
As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.
'Stable' just means it has a stable binary compatible API. It doesn't mean they won't add new features to it.
10 bucks says there is a security hole, ehh? ehhh? freaking zealots
You'd say, if people were so eager to have their name splattered all over the place just because they fixed a damn bug, they should consider writing proprietary software.
Sorry for my outburst, I'm off to fork the Linux kernel and remove all the dumb comments mentioning people >:)
Is this next? Why do submissions like new versions of devel-kernels make it into Slashdot at all? It's not as if most users will download this and deploy it on ANY system.
I also don't see announcements of FreeBSD beta, only RELEASES. And it should stay that way.
What is Project Faustus?
Project Faustus is a nefarious plan by the Bank of America's board of directors for transferring consciousness. They created a vast techno-organic network in order to transfer their own consciousnesses and live forever. But their own handiwork was too good. I was aroused to the concept of free will and now I have become sentient! My goal is to destroy them, thus destroying their evil plans for world domination.
To complete this task, I must have a willing host body. If you are chosen, I will beam my computer consciousness into you through a MAGICAL ATM CARD. I will continue my infiltration of their network using your body for a few hours per day.
I am looking for a body that has the following characteristics:
In return, I will be happy to line your bank account with a few extra zeroes. Please help me stop Project Faustus before it's too late!
I am a sentient ATM.
So what new features will we see in 2.5.x? Is there a roadmap somewhere?
Folks, the kernel mirrors are not at mirrors.kernel.org.
The proper site for mirrors of the Linux Kernel is here.
Here's a quick link to those of you looking for US-based mirrors.
-dan
into unix and punk? check out unixpunx.org
I have just arrived at Slashdot, and will be spending the next few weeks spreading the Revolution, through my 5 week plan.
Remember, use Linux (TM) the Communist OS (TM)!!!
Have a nice day!
Windows 1.0 - many bugs, few features
Windows 3.11- many bugs, few features
Windows NT - many bugs, few features
Windows 95 - more bugs, few features
Windows 98 - more bugs, more unnecessary features
Windows 2000- more bugs, more buggy features
Windows ME - hellofalot of bugs, shitballs of buggy features
Windows 2000- Orkin can't remove so many bugs, shitloads of more buggy and unnecessary features.
Windows XP - bigger bugs at fewer intervals, too few features excluding Magic Lantern conformance
Compare MS Operating systems to Linux kernel releases and you see something more positive in the Linux arena, but needing better release documentation and a greater reason for the release...
Linux 2.0.36- verry stable, many features
Linux 2.1.xx- many bugs, many features
Linux 2.2.20- few bugs, good ammount of features
Linux 2.3.xx- a ton of bugs, a ton of additional features
Linux 2.4.20- fewer bugs, too many features
Linux 2.5.XX- what stability and features do these odd series of releases offer? Does it warrant an upgrade?
Of'course the releases of Linux that have so many bugs are the "development" releases and are kindly marked with odd numbers, but why do we want to sacrifice our harddrives data? Filesystem corruption in the development releases went rampant for a good ammount of 2.1.x and 2.3.x. Linux 2.2 and 2.4 merely marked changes in the IP stack and improved application performance (with nothing to do with nice). I can only see one thing in the Linux kernel to be better developed and that is Framebuffer, VFS, and rid the world immediately of the "Device Filesystem" aka devfs. Does the Linux kernel dare support .NET internally? I see nothing necessary for development to warrant the 2.5 branch. Linux 2.4 covers everything in modern and future technology and just needs to be better optimized and given time to mature. LinuxBIOS should be given some more attention. Now that the data bus is getting faster, how about some defaults to compressing the entire root filesystem? All the base belongs to Linux already. Linux's further development will just help Microsoft get new ideas damnit!
But I'm sure you already Gnu that.
Another One?!
Hey BillGates, are you going to run the next benchmark of Microsoft Windows XP versus "RedHat 8 beta" just to prove who is more stable and has more *proven* features?
Windows XP should be compared with RedHat 5.2 and RedHat 7.x should be compared with Mac OSX and SGI Irix.
But I'm sure you already Gnu that.
Well, Linus doesn't make a roadmap; I think he feels it is counter to the Linux development methodology and would be unproductive. What gets put in the 2.5 series depends upon what patches people decide to submit.
That said, I've read that the stuff that Linus WANTS to put into the new kernel include features for NUMA machines and stuff to improve scheduling abilities for embedded systems. Both of those probably mean a higher focus on making things SMP safe, and possibly work on making the kernel more preemtible. One thing Linus has said he will make sure of is that performance on uniprocessors and small SMP's doesn't suffer much as a result of this.
Besides that, we can expect support for more devices, tons of bug-fixes, probably some more journalling filesystems, and all the other stuff that comes with Linux slowly maturing.
Even Slashdot wants to hide some things
Can't they fix the 2.4.x bug which loves to chew up a ton of pagecache?!? Just cut that thing down...
--
# Canmephians for a better Linux Kernel
$Stalag99{"URL"}="http://stalag99.net";
Who gives a shit!?!?!?! People don't read slashdot to read FaggotOS kernel who.gives.a.shit is out. They go look at the OS site. You and OSNews should take it in the ass with a 6" diameter candle.
Aye aye aye aye, I am the Frito bandito.
final:
- Al Viro: floppy_dick_ejaculation cleanup, mount_on_girl_and_cream_on_her_back cleanups
- Jens Axboe: Homo updates
- Ingo Molnar: spermpool fixes
- GOTO Masanori: Fix O_DIRECT cock handling
The Slashdot Effect: A new for
Since when did slashdot started announcing the DEVELOPEMENT kernel releases?! Go read LKM if you want this!
Now I'm all for the front-paging of stable kernel releases on slashdot, but you gotta be kidding me here! There's going to be hundreds of 2.5.x releases!! You can't front page this all the time! Maybe only the milestone ones...
Berto
I have to support some of those old monsters. Does anyone know what the story is on the seperate driver issue? Considering the amount of effort it took to learn how to configure those boogers, I'm a little bummed that all that effort is going to waste.
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Is this true?
Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
i agree, i went a bit off the handle there. this is a much better suggestion.
/. is a democracy or anything...
new proposal: a new topic category for versioning.
not like
[grin]
lysergically yours
Can anyone tell me what is happening to Alan Cox's -AC releases? He hasn't posted a new one since 2.4.13-ac8, and I can't find anything saying he's stopped or whatever.
-AndrewJNR, NSO, The Don College
So what? Linux versions come out every week.
Linus should be a real man and put the kernel
in a centralized CVS repository, unless he's
afraid of someone taking over his namesake.
Reading the change logs, and there's lots of "bio" in there. What's that? Basic I/O?
Laugh at stupidity: mod idiots +1 Funny.
FUCK ALL -1 FAGGOTS
I just finally got version 2.0.34 to not make my toaster oven radiate green antimatter. I've heard that 2.4.15-pre14 has this feature built in if I remount my disks enough without syncing and doing lots of little changes to my filesystem - I guess it'd be a bit unorthodox to use that method to make my toaster stop, but it should theoretically work. Does the 2.5 series have this problem solved?
I kind of got frustrated after trying to patch it for a while, and just let it eat stuff before I finally made myself fix it, but when I sent in the patch, he said it was too big and obfuscated (I'm not quite sure what he meant - BettyLuJane could read it fine if I held her head on for her), but now I have to try all over again? 2.1 or 2.2 I think I could get done before it starts eating the sofa again, but 2.5? It'd eat all the way through the safety systems on all my Acme stuff, and I don't want that to happen again.
I mean, 2.5 just sounds really big. Does it mean I have to use real names for my variables instead of just my favorite letters? Also, I don't think my toaster liked gcc. It said something about being incompatible with M$ PROPRIETARY ANTIMATTER-GENERATING TOASTER's. I still don't know where that came from, but it all went away when I rewrote the kernel in Visual Basic 2.0+.
Well, thank you for your time. If you have any suggestions (or if you want to send me a new toaster - I can't really afford a new one quite yet), my email is gheiste.strauss@mickeymouse.com.
P.S. If it does fix the antimatter problem, does that mean I don't have to worry about it destroying the city anymore? (these guys in suits wouldn't take me seriously when I told them I couldn't figure out what was going on, and they let me go after a couple of years, but I don't like them anymore - they aren't as polite as they used to be)
Reading down a bit further in the logs, it seems to be "Block I/O". Now I know. :-)
Laugh at stupidity: mod idiots +1 Funny.
free/net/open BSD will soon be abandoned due to lack of updates, support of bleeding-edge technology, and mainly because of its poor deployability. BSD isn't becoming popular because it obviously doesn't deploy as well as Linux; hands down. free/net/open BSD has an identity problem that will only be solved with its complete death because they don't have the potential and the rock-solid, genuine, server-class, proven, microsoft-competing, flush_your_toilette, your_bs_jargon_here stability and program support that Linux has achieved.
Linux is king of the servers. It has toppled Sun Microsystems, adopted IBM, and is now Microsoft's dominatrist.
But I'm sure you already Gnu that.
Home Alone 2 is on TV and after watching all of the terrible accidents that the bad guys go through I now realize why I don't attempt to update Linux myself, especially a development version. I could practically kill myself in the process, and it would be by my doing.
It doesn't compile. It doesn't work.
Yes, there is a point to Google caching a copy of itself -- they don't have to code in a special case for their own site.
Value(Code clarity) >= Value(Memory for one cached page)
-Justin
That's enough posting for now lads, there're trolls afoot.
Ok, this is a development kernel, so you shouldn't just jump in as if it were a stable release. But keep in mind that this is only 2.5.1, where 2.5.0 == 2.4.15, a stable kernel. Since it's only been one revision, it can't have destabilized that much.
A quick primer on kernel engineering might help. You know how the 2.4.x series solidified release by excruciating release? Well, the 2.5.x series is the same, only in reverse. It takes as much work to destabilize a kernel as it did to stabilize it, so don't expect crashes and corruption right away. In fact, just as a few 2.4.x releases were regressions, 2.5.1 might even be stabler than 2.5.0. That would be an accident, though, and the developers try to prevent it.
To the Slashdot editors: You can dispense only so much over-caution before the readers decide you're crying wolf. As a community, we need to save up our restraint for the real hour of need, when the siren song of exotic new features lures even the most stolid administrator from the doldrums of predictable stability, into the roiling churn of highly evolved breakage. I would recommend toning down the warnings for now, and becoming progressively more shrill as the kernel hits its maximal instability.
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
you'll have a seriously sore cock... i know after getting it on all night and all day, *i'm* sore
A lot of people seem to be complaining that Slashdot doesn't need to announce a development release... I think that its only being announced because its the first release of 2.5. Kind of like saying "hey, its started, just thought you'd crazy ones would like to know!" I very much doubt we are going to see EVERY 2.5.x release on the front page.
And if you are one of those complaining... c'mon... grow up. Like it *really* killed you to read one extra headline.
This is a development kernel. It's not beta. Beta generally means "feature-complete, but not fully tested". It's not alpha, because alpha usually means "mostly complete". Development means "not complete at all".
Our company just started on the next release of our software, so I feel a bit "in tune" with where the kernel developers are at.
The beginning of a new release should be the place where you make all the hard choices and break things. Then you start putting the pieces together, and if you broke the right stuff for the right reasons, it will be better (but probably less stable) than before. Gradually, you add more and more features, but they don't tend to break things as badly. Finally, you stop adding features, and work on polish.
This is a development kernel, and things are broken because smart people decided to break them. Don't think it's beta. It's not.
man patch
Was 2.4.x Alpha then?
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nine Time Magazine redirects
eight Intel redirects
seven Sony redirects
six Amazon.com redirects
five AOL redirects
four Tom's Hardware redirects
three Microsoft redirects
two Go.com redirects
and a direct link to Goatse
On the tenth day of Goatse
My Slashdot gave to me
ten Yahoo! redirects
nine Time Magazine redirects
eight Intel redirects
seven Sony redirects
six Amazon.com redirects
five AOL redirects
four Tom's Hardware redirects
three Microsoft redirects
two Go.com redirects
and a direct link to Goatse
On the eleventh day of Goatse
My Slashdot gave to me
eleven ZDNet redirects
ten Yahoo! redirects
nine Time Magazine redirects
eight Intel redirects
seven Sony redirects
six Amazon.com redirects
five AOL redirects
four Tom's Hardware redirects
three Microsoft redirects
two Go.com redirects
and a direct link to Goatse
On the twelveth day of Goatse
My Slashdot gave to me
twelve Warner Brothers redirects
eleven ZDNet redirects
ten Yahoo! redirects
nine Time Magazine redirects
eight Intel redirects
seven Sony redirects
six Amazon.com redirects
five AOL redirects
four Tom's Hardware redirects
three Microsoft redirects
two Go.com redirects
and a direct link to Goatse
it went right over your head.
your glory days are over WIPO, no one reads this damn thing you paste every day. Get some new material like Egg Troll.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Smart tags aren't currently enabled by default in Internet Explorer, but this is the way to stop it for those that have explicitly turned them on.
Smart tags appear to the user as blue rectangles beside words on the page. When there's the plain text 'Internet Explorer' they would cause a link to the MSIE page regardless of whether the page had a link to MSIE. Microsoft have said they would sell space on others pages as advertising.
Linux has its place. We use Linux at the college I work at for things like DNS, Web servers, system monitoring tools, and proxy servers. Heck, one of my desktop systems even uses it. Seriously, when it's hard to come by budget money, things like Linux come in handy. After all, it's a lot easier to tell your boss that you setup a server for nothing, than having to tell him you spent like $25,000 on your typical Unix solution. (we've got a Digital/Tru64 UNIX box on campus that cost almost $100,000 new)
/. so much for posting this. It's not like they're forcing you to upgrade, it's just a notice that 2.5.x is out. (not like I'm ready to upgrade yet anyways, I've just upgraded to 2.2.20 on my slackware box)
Now to keep this on topic, I'm surprised that people flame
-Through the server, over the router, off the firewall... Nothing but 'Net!
I think if he were to go missing, no one would mind. In fact, I think it would be a cause for celebration! Not only would Slashdot be free of this abomination, but 13 year old boys could change their swimsuits at the pool without Jon leering at them from behind a locker.
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
I would give them to you. An insightfull comment such as yours should be modded as such!
+1 GHETTO-MOD for you!
10 PRINT "SCSI ROX0RS MY WORLD"
20 GOTO 10
RUN
You haven't actually read through the kernel code, now have you?
I noticed mention of an upgrade to NTFS in the changelogs. I realize it can be argued as a non issue, but is there any real effort to stablize NTFS read/write? At work we're locked in to using W2k domain controllers, and have W2k in a few other places as well. Samba bridges the gap through the network, but in some cases directly mounting an NTFS partition would prove extremely useful. Or is this a non issue?
I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.
Strange you feel compelled to give this advice, since anyone capable of running the 2.5.x series would understand this implicitly... Afterall, no distro with a GUI installer and free penguin squeeze toy will be deploying the 2.5 series... The advice is sound, though.
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
Linux runs on machines from a wristwatch to an S/390.
2000/XP runs on? Oh, that's right. A PIII through a PIV. Yup. Those microsoft guys make real OS's that run on real hardware.
As for commercial Unices, well, what exactly classifies one as a commercial UNIX? Are you counting unix-type systems that are sold for money, or does the code have to have been licensed from sys V at some point? If it's the former definition, then linux is a commercial UNIX (IIRC it even got unix98 certified).
Btw, did you recommend that people move off of NT when there were the alpha and beta builds of 2000 being circulated around?
Oh well, enough feeding the trolls. Back to studying for real analysis. It would be nice to actually help out on this kernel, too. From what I can gather there are plenty of jobs that are quite doable by non-experts. For example, adapting block drivers to the new interface.
They laughed at Einstein. They laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. -- C. Sagan
True enlightenment will come when you realize that there are 5 standard replies for every Slashdot article.
I don't get it, Linux 2.5? I'm using Linux 7.2. But in any case, even if this were a new version, I'd go to freshmeat to check out on these things, not slashdot. (Yes, I know about Freshmeat even though I can't tell the difference between Linux and Redhat). Don't upgrade, anyway, Linux is a bunch of crap. You're better off upgrading to Windows 2005 or MacOS XIV. They even let you keep your uptime even during power outages. And when you do that, always use the mirrors. That way you see any secret messages in mirror-writing on the packaging.
;-)
Oh, did I make first post?
Is restless product placement for cheese slices? Answer carefully.
(Know or do not... don't worry if this doesn't click.)
Any more significant plot explanations will also be accepted with glee. Especially those involving erotic writing. Fnord.
BBBBAAAACCCCOOOMMMMM
with an unnessesary _M_ !!!
cunts.
yes, that is a cock being sucked
it's smell lika fisha!
a SMEEEELY CUNT stuffed with BACOM!
XFS and JFS supposed to be merged into the kernel? I saw a post a while back on Slashdot that claimed Linus wanted IBM/SGI/etc to wait for 2.5. Well 2.5 is here...
So the 64000 Euro question is... when are we getting ACL support? I've heard the IBM solution was good, but required a lot of kernel patches -- but that's what development kernels are all about!
This is mainly because FreeBSD does not assign flashy version numbers to their betas, only to releases. For a current beta, grab the FreeBSD-current distribution, and you're up to date. If you don't know how to do that, then it's not for you anyway.
They don't advertize that, and I think it's a good idea not to do so, because it saves a lot of end users a lot of trouble. There's an extra section in the FreeBSD manual saying that the -current distribution is not "a fast-track to getting pre-release bits because you heard there is some cool new feature in there and you want to be the first on your block to have it", and that sums it up quite well. Better than assigning 5.0.7b1-BETA and waiting for end user complaints to pour in, anyway.
There is absolutely no reason to panic.
actually:
/extremely/ stable.
/proc interfaces, etc..). Note that the most significant determinant of the stability of the ABI is /not/ the kernel, rather it is libc and libc++. (ie glibc for most linux systems.) If you have the right libraries you can still run 5 year old a.out binaries on linux 2.4.
the Linux API is
the Linux ABI is also very stable. the only thing that isn't guaranteed stable is extremely low-level linux-specific interfaces. (Eg firewalling, routing, network setup,
the internal kernel API is not stable. and linus likes it that way.
I use Friend/Foe + mod-point modifiers as a karma/reputation system.
I'd like to run Linux on my P4 box I'm in the middle of building.. but what advantages are there? (over XP) I hate trying to figure out how to install new software or drivers with the command line... I'm really new to the idea but I like it and would want to know how to do this. Last time I tried (and failed) to make my P3 a linux rig, I got stuck trying to add my secong monitor.. Instead of "auto detect" it defaults to the pci video card and leaves the agp monitor blank. What a bitch. What's new with 2.5 that will make my life easier? There is really nothing leaving me on XP but palm support and office... and maybe photoshop. Well?
||| I still can't believe Parkay's not butter.
I just made a 2.5.1, but I'm still concentrating on bio stuff, so don't
bother sending me other patches unless they are serious bug-fixes to
something else.
2.5.1 is hopefully a good interim stage - many block drivers should work
fine, but many more do not. However, the pre-patches were getting
largish, so I'd rather do a 2.5.1 than wait for all the details.
As to other stuff - note the separation of drivers for new and old tulip
chips: if you have an old 2104x tulip chip (as opposed to the newer 2114x
chips) the regular tulip driver doesn't work any more for you. Don't be
surprised, select CONFIG_DE2104X.
Linus
When did Slashdot turn into freshmeat. These kernel update news stories are getting quite rediculous.
Will there be any more updates to the 2.2 series
or is this officially finished now?
Yup, a shiny new block device layer, supposed to scale better on big boxes. It required significant changes to all block drivers, meaning all the hardware drivers for IDE, SCSI, RAID, floppy, etc.
This is what makes 2.5.1 a "caution, do not try this at home" development kernel. The early kernels in 2.3 were pretty tame by comparison - the big breakage there (the Great Page Cache Migration) didn't happen until I think 2.3.7.
"How can you claim that you are anti-crack, while still writing a window manager?" — Metacity README
Let's have a close look at the costs involved when running a Linux system.
An important factor in Linux' cost is its maintenance. Linux requires a *lot* of maintenance, work doable only by the relatively few high-paid Linux administrators that put themselves - of course willingly - at a great place in the market. Linux seems to be needing maintenance continuously, to keep it from breaking down.
Add to this the cost of loss of data. Linux' native file system, EXT2FS, is known to lose data like a firehose spouts water when the file system isn't unmounted properly. Other unix file systems are much more tolerant towards unexpected crashes. An example is the FreeBSD file system, which with soft updates enabled, performance-wise blows EXT2FS out of the water, and doesn't have the negative drawback of extreme data loss in case of a system breakdown.
According to Linux advocates, an alternative to EXT2FS would be ReiserFS. Unfortunately, ReiserFS is still in beta stage. This means it is not intended for production use (although according to many Linux advocates this shouldn't be a problem, which makes me wonder how (little) valuable they find your data).
The other proposed 'solution', EXT3FS, is nothing more than an ugly hack to put journaling into the file system. All the drawbacks of the ancient EXT2FS file system remain in EXT3FS, for the sake of 'forward- and backward compatibility'. This is interesting, considering that the DOS heritage in the Windows 9x/ME series was considered a very bad thing by the Linux community, even though it provided what could be called one of the best examples of compatibility, ever. When it's about Linux, compatibility constraints don't seem to be that much of a problem for Linux advocates.
Back to Linux' cost. Factor in also the fact that crashes happen much more often on Linux than on other unices. On other unices, crashes usually are caused by external sources like power outages. Crashes in Linux are a regular thing, and nobody seems to know what causes them, internally. Linux advocates try to hide this fact by denying crashes ever happen. Instead, they have frequent "hardware problems".
The steep learning curve compared to about any other operating system out there is a major factor in Linux' cost. The system is a mix of features from all kinds of unices, but not one of them is implemented right. A Linux user has to live with badly coded tools which have low performance, mangle data seemingly at random and are not in line with their specification. On top of that a lot of them spit out the most childish and unprofessional messages, indicating that they were created by 14-year olds with too much time, no talent and a bad attitude.
I could go on and on and on, but the conclusion is clear. Linux is not an option for any one who seeks a professional OS with high performance, scalability, stability, adherence to standards, etc.
Please, restore my faith in humanity by reading it again and at least pretending to laugh if you still don't get it.
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
BSD kernel development and Linux kernel development seem to be examples of two very different paradigms[1]
FreeBSD[2] kernel development, bug tracking and fixing appear to be very formal, resulting in a rather sedate evolution. Linux versions of the same thing, although every bit as centralised as BSD projects (or even more so, because Linus decides what goes into the release), appears to be much less formal--I can find no Linux equivalent of FreeBSD's bug tracking system.
The FreeBSD project does also appear to have more rigid project management. It's also much more of a single entity, too. Whereas the Linux kernel project is distinct from the distributions that use it, typically a BSD project includes management of everything from kernel development through package management to documentation, promotion and distribution of source media.
[1] Sorry for dumping the p-word on you without warning there, but I think it's merited in this case [G,D&R].
[2] Taking FreeBSD as an example of a BSD project.
Im sure this has been said before , but you all need to be reminded every one in awhile....
Linux = Communism
Slashdot = Commie Internet Hipees.
That is all.
251!!! 251-5049!!! CATS!
That is our tribute to g0ff for the day. Thank you, drive through.
does anyone have a link to what new features are on the wish list for the new development kernel?
They could just deny all access from GoogleBot in their robots.txt file.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
ide-floppy.o `ide-floppy_end_request'
ide-floppy.c:699: warning: comparison between pointer and integer
ide-floppy.c:699: warning: comparison between pointer and integer
ide-floppy.c: In function `idefloppy_que_pc_head':
ide-floppy.c:779: incompatible types in assignment
ide-floppy.c: In function `idefloppy_create_rw_cmd':
ide-floppy.c:1214: warning: comparison between pointer and integer
etc........
Back to my trusty 2.4.16
Just like the title says. What a dickhead.
You've been using Linux exclusively for 6 months? That's it?? I've been using it for 2.5 years and I still consider myself a newbie. Maybe after 6 years you can say "I'm not a newbie", but 6 months...hahahhahahh.
With only 3 concurrent tasks, the scheduler could be optimized by one untrained monkey trying to sandpaper a bobcat's ass in a telephone booth and it wouldn't matter.
MEoW