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Games People Shouldn't Play

MBCook writes: "I've been a video game player for years, and I must say that the average game seems to be getting worse. Exihbit 1: Games People Shouldn't Play, an article on MSNBC. This article shows what the author thinks are the worst games on the current crop of systems. You've got to agree with calling a game bad if "...the only way to get in [the minigames] is by buying hats... How do you buy the hats? Why, by picking up garbage." If that doesn't make you want to play a game, what would? I agree with the author when he says: '... who knows what kind of disease your children might get from overexposure to these games.'"

195 comments

  1. I agree wholeheartedly. by mrseigen · · Score: 1

    Too much of that 'extreme sports' crap out there. If we wanted to go out and break things looking like damn idiots, we would. Kids these days... Well, at least we can keep ourselves from worrying if there might be something quality on the consoles we might miss because we all use comps...

    1. Re:I agree wholeheartedly. by HobbitGod42 · · Score: 1

      I will agree there are some BAD games out there... yet strange only ONE from gamecube... heh heh heh... I dunno personally ALL the next gen systems are worthy in my book.... I currently only have a GC and I like it.

      If I had the money I would buy an x-box and a ps2... but right now I am a po' cheap bastid so I have a GC... and it don't just got kids games. oh and /. mods... this isn't meant to be flamebait. just my 2 credits.
      Oh yeah there are also bad games on the PC... Dungoen Seige for one... completly over hyped... Kinda like an advanced version of Soulbringer ::shudders::,

    2. Re:I agree wholeheartedly. by the_march_hare · · Score: 0

      first sorry bout the bad typing, lack of grammer and spelling> i haven't slept in 30+hr yay end of the school year. > i am studying classical animation @ sheridan college. There is alot of video games played when we aren't drawing. Up until a little while ago there was a good representation of most of the systems. Halo multiplayer. capcomVSSnk2 super smash bros. melee. etc... but recently someone brought in all the NES games and a NEster Cd. since then the only game system that is running continuously is a dreamcast with some 8bit game. I don't know if the popularity is due to nostalgia or good game design. ONe thing is for sure the games were harder. and in general better designed. and nothing gets your blood pumping like _________-- insert your fav NES game here.

  2. Scientific Evaluation by Sinjun · · Score: 5, Funny

    You SAY they are bad games, but what are their start to crate scores?

    1. Re:Scientific Evaluation by metamatic · · Score: 1

      That's a really bogus evaluation metric, when you consider "Metal Gear Solid" and "Crash Bandicoot".

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  3. Doling out masses of crap by goneaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

    has been standard on the console for way too many years even as far back as the Atari 2600. Games were rushed out to take advantage of movie tie-ins on a pretty regular basis. Think of the E.T cartridge for 2600. I've heard about a small landfill being created with the leftover copies of this game. That's why we read game reviews.

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    1. Re:Doling out masses of crap by hrieke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Execpt that 90% of the reviews are bought and paid for by the game companies, the other 10% are just raving fan muttering about how great this version is.
      Objectivity is not something that I have ever seen in the game press.

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    2. Re:Doling out masses of crap by jwinter1 · · Score: 1

      >Objectivity is not something that I have ever seen in the game press.

      Electronic Gaming Monthly. Since when I was a kid (and its issues were 400 pages long), EGM was and still is the only respectable news source when it comes to gaming. That and Acts of Gord are really the only things worth reading for video games.

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    3. Re:Doling out masses of crap by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 1

      Man, that's harsh.

      Probably true more often than not - but I can tell you personally that it's not *always* true. And no, I'm not trying to plug here. (Let's see - +1 bonus off. There.)

      There's also the guys who really believe in providing objective reviews, who even buy their own games to do it, and stand by what they say. Sadly, some of them go out of business. (The GIA just died today, I guess. Bummer. Gamefan died some times ago thanks to express.com's business shit.)

    4. Re:Doling out masses of crap by MonkeyBoy · · Score: 1

      Pfft. Sure, right, and I bet you think black NSA/CIA helicopters are following your every move.

      Conspiracy theories have that fun "interesting" aspect and all the rest, but they're rarely correct. (see: X-Files)

      The only company which has been rumored to get "preferential" treatment is Microsoft, simply due to the sheer size of their marketing budget and their willingness to use unethical tactics (see antitrust case). "Give us a bad review? Fine, we'll pull all our ads from your magazine and all your sister magazines..."

      Everyone else WISHES they could buy good reviews. It'd be a lot cheaper over the long haul than releasing games that nobody hears about, and even fewer buy.

      Of course, what do I know, I've only worked for PC/console developers/publishers for 12 years.

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    5. Re:Doling out masses of crap by Sj0 · · Score: 2

      Where does the late PCXL fall into this 90/10 rule?

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    6. Re:Doling out masses of crap by hrieke · · Score: 2

      Pfft. Sure, right, and I bet you think black NSA/CIA helicopters are following your every move.

      No, they don't, nor am I that screwed up.
      I say this because I've been around the gaming industry for a 'while'. Half of my friends have worked for either Sega, Sony, or Nintendo. I've heard the rumors and 2nd hand stories from these guys.
      These game magazines can make or break a game. A few of these magazines are nothing but hype generating eye candy.
      Ask around some of your former / current co-workers and see if they've heard anything, bet they have.
      Here's one rant.

      Oh, btw, have you read my FAQ?

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    7. Re:Doling out masses of crap by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      has been standard on the console

      I think the part in bold should be left out. I don't see the PC gaming industry as being any better. You just get more uninspired carbon-copy games on PC, and less of the commercial tie-in garbage.

      --Jeremy

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    8. Re:Doling out masses of crap by MonkeyBoy · · Score: 1

      Yes, and no.

      For a short time I worked for a company which got very good press from virtually every magazine, but didn't sell hardly any units.

      Brand name recognition counts for a whole hell of a lot. If buyers aren't sold on your game, good luck seeing it on store shelves, which is much easier to do if you have a previous reputation via a best-selling title (can you say catch-22?). Word of mouth can make or break a game after that point. "Buzz" can be started by magazines, but it cannot solely be carried by previews & reviews.

      I still feel that the biggest fish in the pond, who has repeatedly shown itself to be willing to stray into the grey area of legality, is the only one who allegedly benefits from this. Every time I've ever heard these rumors, from games to office productivity to multimedia and beyond, it's involved them (though the rumors almost always involved a particular publishing empire who has fallen on hard times as of late, one who forced both marketing and editorial staffs to hold meetings over reviews). Is it true? Hell if I know.

      I just think it's a little silly to expand specific rumors to encompass the entire industry, when I've known plenty of marketing departments that would have done far, far better with opportunities like that.

      Many of my former coworkers are now employed at a certain Redmond campus due to all acquisitions made over the past few years, so I tend not to discuss these matters with them. Best to keep the discussions on the light side, like when their title will be ported to the Mac. (chuckle)

      FWIW, my best friend from grade school up 'til high school dropped out and moved to CA to work for a developer of C=64, Amiga, and other platforms during the mid-80s. He helped me get my foot in the door a couple years later, and kept me abreast of what the hell was going on when coming back to the home town every couple months...

      Mega Drive/Genesis wasn't even a twinkle in Sega's eye at that point. Though I do remember preferring the SMS over Nintendo for some odd reason...

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  4. Waaaiiitt a minute... by don_carnage · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is it April Fools Day or something? /. is sending us to MSNBC??!! The horror!! ;^)

  5. Too true by dr_dank · · Score: 3, Funny

    who knows what kind of disease your children might get from overexposure to these games

    You're not kidding, I'm still in therapy over Daikatana.

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    1. Re:Too true by dnaumov · · Score: 2, Informative

      DKT was not all that bad, have you actually installed the v.1.2 patch and gotten past the 1st episode (which indeed sucked ass) ? The 2nd and 3rd episodes (ancient Greece and darkage Norway) very very fun. No robotic frogs/flies and with v1.2 you could save your games without those dumb red crystals.

  6. Pretty Skies! by little_fluffy_clouds · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article: Blood Wake, Microsoft's attempt to spread the popular car kombat genre to boats, has some of the best-looking skies ever to appear in a game.

    Just like the pretty sky background in XP was the best reason to upgrade from 2K, we all need an Xbox now... actually physically going outside is so 90's!

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    1. Re:Pretty Skies! by WildBeast · · Score: 2

      Well yeah, at least in Blood Wake, the sky is clear and unpolluted even after throwing plenty of missiles on other boats, the sky remains amazing. Now try that in a real life situation :)

    2. Re:Pretty Skies! by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      The funny thing is, I've seen a review that said this game was one of the worst games ever.

      It came down to horrible control and even worse it only lasts about 5 minutes until it's old.

      Well worth the price.

    3. Re:Pretty Skies! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the physics sucked in the latest version of Blood Wake.

  7. We're in video game doom right now... by qurob · · Score: 4, Informative

    We just had a HUGE year

    We've got 3 systems out right now

    No really good games....

    Smells like 1983-1984

    1. Re:We're in video game doom right now... by cybrthng · · Score: 2

      Halo, Project Gotham and you can't deny the charm of Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee.

      Halo - Graphics, Music, Gameplay, Depth

      PGR - Tons of tracks, great music, great graphics, tons of features

      Oddworld - love it or hate it, the game has character and if you beat the darn thing you think of munch as a friend!

      Virtua Fighter 4 is out, i still play My DC for there is nothing comparing to Soul Calibur.

      I tell you what though, halo is awesome. Crank up the sound, get a decent component input tv, turn off the lights and be prepaired to be glued to your tv and pissed off when you feel the pinch of the enemy coming after you with nothing to do but run :)

      seriously, the AI is great. When your team is ambushed and yelling to fall back and you have to roll with them because there are 4 enemy drop ships coming in and there is no ammo left you can't do anything but run and feel your heart racing. Get behind a rock, sniper our some enemies and keep on running hehe.

      great game, and it DOES require skill as long as you don't choose "Easy".

    2. Re:We're in video game doom right now... by Patman · · Score: 2

      Well, from a PC standpoint, there's the newly-released Jedi Knight II:Outcast.
      I'm no Star Wars fanboy, but this game just plain rules.

    3. Re:We're in video game doom right now... by Enrico+Pulatzo · · Score: 1

      Pikmin is a really cool, innovative game. It features some of the most mellow, relaxing music I've ever heard in a video game as well as some really intriguing gameplay.

      I just wish it was longer, but it was paced really well.

    4. Re:We're in video game doom right now... by eison · · Score: 1

      This 'no really good games' comment being modded up is a sad april's fools joke, right? GT3? GTA3? Halo? What crack are you smoking?

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    5. Re:We're in video game doom right now... by qurob · · Score: 1

      GT3 has two fatal flaws:

      They need MORE cars and more tracks.

      They don't have any 'crash physics'. Plow into people or walls and it doesn't matter. You can't spin people around, etc etc

  8. Looks like an ad by rednaxel · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Its plain Xbox advertising disguised as article. Xbox is too new and hav too few titles to even be cited in an article like this, but it manages to get not only cited, but shown as good! "The best sky/water/island ever...".

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    1. Re:Looks like an ad by nomadic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uhhh...you seriously believe listing Xbox games on a list of "GAMES YOU SHOULDN'T PLAY" is an ADVERTISEMENT? I mean, geeze, I like MS-bashing as much as the next guy, but that makes very little sense.

    2. Re:Looks like an ad by JSmooth · · Score: 0

      Get a grip. I agree with the original post. This is X-box advertising plain and simple. Let's see. Somehow mom/dad gets pointed to this article. They know nothing about xbox/ps2, etc. What do they walk away with? Xbox has its share of bad games, but hey the graphics, game speed, everything is the best on the Xbox.

      For shame on /. for linking to this trash.

      Anybody out there not know there are some really crappy games for all systems?? Anybody out there think Xbox has the Best of everything?

      Wake-up guys and stop falling for this crap.

    3. Re:Looks like an ad by WankersRevenge · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This reads exactly as an ad. You just have to read into the implications. First off, just compare how the reviewer examines X-box titles in comparasin to Playstation titles. In x-box titles, he lists poor game design choices such as the game being simply a button masher, or the game having too real of physics. Now look at the Playstion games - horrible graphics - horrible frame rate - etc. This author is implicity stating - wow - these are horrible x box titles even though they having amazing graphics, incredible real time physics, and so on. Of course, if these titles are horrible with their amazing graphics, imagine what the good titles are like. That's the implicit statment. The playstation reviews attack the platform as being inferior. Frame rate problems, poor graphics - damn, can't get much better. Of course, they drop in the MSNBC is owned by Microsoft to make you think, "Oh, these guys are owned by Microsoft so they will make sure to make a biased article" when in fact they do exactly opposite. This is an adverstisement. Trust me. And this practice doesn't simply occur in game reviews, check CNN or especially Fox news to see this overtly in action. Unbiased news is a myth.

    4. Re:Looks like an ad by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      The playstation reviews attack the platform as being inferior.

      Well, it [the PS2] is. And no, there's no argument. The XBox has better hardware. So does the Gamecube.

      But I'd buy a PS2 over an XBox any day of the week. So would a lot of other people, apparently, since the PS2 outsold the XBox and Gamecube combined nearly 2 to 1 last holiday season. (Sorry -- no link to source. Check IGN.com) Not everyone is fooled by marketing hype... Unfortunately, too many people still are.

      Note: I'm currently a Gamecube owner.

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  9. remember by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do you remember the NES game Cowboy Neal and the search for the Missing Karma? I got to level 45 before I realized I wasn't affecting the game through the controller.

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    1. Re:remember by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1

      It's posts like this that really make /. worth reading. :-) It's hard to find intelligent humour on the net.

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  10. MSNBC reviews xbox games... by Niadh · · Score: 1

    ya and 100 out of 100 squaresoft employees agree that "Secret of Mana" is game of the year.

  11. Cartoon Based Games by catwh0re · · Score: 1

    I've found that just about any game based on a long running cartoon is absolute crap. from krusty's super funhouse, to bugs bunny's CRRrraAAzzY maze. Each title is unimpressive, not thought out, and generally consists of a very basic idea repeated 9 billion times. The opposite is true as well... any good games often are made into really crap cartoons... Pacmac Adventures, super bomber man returns. eeehshfj

    1. Re:Cartoon Based Games by higuy48 · · Score: 1

      NOT TRUE! Anyone who has played The Simpsons arcade game knows that it is one of the best party games ever! Also, there is a Simpsons game for the Game Boy that was pretty fun too!

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    2. Re:Cartoon Based Games by qurob · · Score: 1

      Krusty was a pretty good puzzle game. Not a Lemmings or a Tetris, but I whittled away a weekend or two renting that on the SNES

    3. Re:Cartoon Based Games by HeavensTrash · · Score: 1

      I remember really liking the Ducktales game for NES back in the day. I've also heard some good things about the Donald Duck game for Playstation 2, though I wouldn't know since I'm not really down for consoles anymore.

    4. Re:Cartoon Based Games by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
      I've found that just about any game based on a long running cartoon is absolute crap...The opposite is true as well... any good games often are made into really crap cartoons

      I disagree, you've just played games by companies that make crap games but somehow licensed the character rights. Capcom has always made great games based on Disney characters and Cartoon shows. Konami/Ultra has always made great games based on Warner Bros. characters. SEGA has also made great Disney-based games.

      Pokémon is the only time I have seen both the game and the cartoon have equally good quality, but I think they were designed together. Other than that (and maybe Mega Man if I remember correctly), I've yet to see a good cartoon based on a video game. The biggest problem cartoon script writers seem to have when they make a cartoon based on a game is that they always try to change the basic premise. They are too busy trying to find themselves creatively fascinating that they forget there is already a loyal fan following for the game, otherwise there wouldn't be a cartoon created around it.

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    5. Re:Cartoon Based Games by Xaoswolf · · Score: 1

      I must say that I do agree with you, the only game cartoon that I liked was Captian N the Game Master, and the old Super Mario Brothers (of course it was only good because it was sooo bad)

    6. Re:Cartoon Based Games by irritating+environme · · Score: 1

      Exceptions don't prove the rules. This dude's right on. All I have to say is.... ACCLAIM

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  12. Funny read by higuy48 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've played one or two of those games, and I can attest to their awfulness. Still, nothing holds a candle to Skydive! for the PC. I (Capital I)couldn't make a game worse than Skydive! if I tried! Some games are just born to be bad.

    P.S. This is the second time that this has happened, but I submitted this too! This gives me an idea for Slashdot. When our submissions are accepted or rejected, we don't know which editor accepted or rejected them. Maybe we could be told that on our homepages (or somewhere else). It would be like this: ...(rejected by CmdrTaco) ...(accepted by timothy) or whatever it looks like because I haven't had a submission accepted yet. Oh well, I'll keep trying!

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  13. Airworlf for 2600 by Foxman98 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Does anyone out there remember a game called "Airwolf" for the 2600? I was about 8... A huge fan of the TV servies (airwolf - the black helicopter) and I saw this game on the shelves and wanted it... So after many weeks of mowing lawns I was finally able to pick it up. Insert the cartridge... Boot up the system... Shock... Horror... No frickin HELICOPTER? The game was all about a stupid bi-plane that you had to fly through barns. Man it's been a long time since I've been that dissappointed. Other shining examples as far as I am concerned...

    • Duck Hunt - I mean, it looked like so much fun....
    • Terminator 2 for C64 - 10 Mins loading per 30 seconds of dull gameplay....
    • Zelda 2 - Link's awakening
    • Virtua Figher 3 for Dreamcast... - Man that game was awefull compared to the god that is soul calibur...


    And a couple of gems that have literally stolen months of my life...
    • Soul Caliber - If ANYONE has not played tihs, do yourself a favor, buy a dreamcast, and PLAY THIS GAME. Even compared to today's games and graphics it is absolutey amazing. And the gameplay...
    • Super Mario Brothers 3 - I was living in Holland at the time, and drove 2 hours into germany (who got the game earlier) to get this game. Was not disappointed ever.
    • Final Fantasy III - Need I say more? I remember all the rumors that flew aroudn about this game, like how you could revive Cid if you got these so-called books...
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    1. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by GreenHell · · Score: 1

      inal Fantasy III - Need I say more? I remember all the rumors that flew aroudn about this game, like how you could revive Cid if you got these so-called books... Don't forget the rumours that you could revive Leo if you did a variety of different tasks, varing from rumour to rumour. The most common one being that fighting 255 battles with the Cursed Shield equipped gave you an item you took to his grave... In fact, I think this one still floats around the web...

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    2. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by Foxman98 · · Score: 2

      God I had forgotten about that one. Man I remember searching the, at the time, brand new world wide web for every piece of information I could find on this game. I think I must have had around a a hundred pages of secrets. This was, of course, after I had finished the game. It saddened me, when the younger kid down the street bought the game, and played it, step by step, according to the strategy guide.

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    3. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by Cutriss · · Score: 2

      Are you sure you didn't get ripped off? I think you got burned by someone who relabeled Barnstorming as Airwolf.

      And you're gravely mistaken with your quote about Zelda. Zelda II: The Adventure of Link was a decent game, but it was *not* Link's Awakening, as you said. Many, many people will argue that Link's Awakening was one of the best, if not the best in the series (I would disagree personally).

      And as some people have mentioned in other posts, it's General Leo that everyone wants to be able to revive, not Cid.

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    4. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by dhamsaic · · Score: 2

      The game with the "stupid bi-plane" that you're talking about is called "Barnstorming". It was definitely a classic, and fun too - many fine hours were spent nailing birds in the ass to make that "BZZZZZT!" sound. :) I dunno if your cartridges got switched or you're mis-remembering, but that certainly wasn't Airwolf (which did have a helicoptor).

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    5. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by NonSequor · · Score: 2
      255 battles with the Cursed Shield will get you the Paladin's Shield, one of the best items in the game, if I remember correctly.

      With Final Fantasy III people just started making up absurd rumors for fun. A lot of them were pretty funny.

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    6. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by parliboy · · Score: 3, Funny
      Airwolf eh. That was actually Barnstorming. 8 years old and you bought a Taiwanese pirate cart. Just goes to show how long you've been a nonconformist I suppose.
      • Duck Hunt is only fun for shooting at the person next to you. What's fun is if you've got a particularly wanky gun, you can set a high score this way.

      • Zelda 2 wasn't a bad game. Underrated, really. It just... wasn't Zelda. Kinda like how SMB2 wasn't Mario. And New Coke wasn't Coke. And South Park with Butters...
      • FFIII (VI for elitists), well, hell it was a 16-bit benchmark. End of discussion.
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    7. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by Foxman98 · · Score: 2

      This was in Holland, and, whether or not it go re-labeled I don't know, but I do for sure the the game I bought did not have a helicopter in it, and was most definately called "Airwolf".

      Speaking of airwolf, does anyone else here fondly remember that show and wish for re-runs? Airwolf, The A-Team, Knight Rider... I want to see them all over again!

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    8. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by mrvis · · Score: 1

      Hey, you were 8. I've played it too. It's frig Barnstormer.

    9. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by prator · · Score: 2, Informative

      You didn't need a "wanky" gun to get a high score in Duck Hunt. If I remember correctly, all you have to do is turn up the brightness to a certain level, and then any shot will be a hit.

      -prator

    10. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by GreenHell · · Score: 1

      You remember correctly, although I could never pull off the 255 battles myself, I tended to get bored before that occured...

      (On an unrelated note: Sorry, anonymous posting has been turned off. Please register and log in. wtf?)

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    11. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by kernelfoobar · · Score: 1

      Wasn't there was another "black hi-tech vehicle" show? It was a motorcycle that could levitate. Does anyone remember?

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    12. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by RailGunner · · Score: 1

      Actually if you feed Cid nothing but Tasty Fish, it is possible for Celes to nurse him back to health.

    13. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by dswensen · · Score: 2

      I do believe you're talking about Street Hawk.

    14. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by dswensen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've seen reruns of Airwolf, A-Team and Knight Rider. Believe me, you're better off sticking with your childhood memories, because seeing them again will rob you of them.

    15. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by checkyoulater · · Score: 1

      Speaking of airwolf, does anyone else here fondly remember that show and wish for re-runs? Airwolf, The A-Team, Knight Rider... I want to see them all over again!

      I used to think this, but recently I have been blessed with about 300 TV channels, one of which shows the A-Team daily. I loved this show as a kid. Seeing it now, it is quite a dissapointment. It is probably in your best interest to not watch it, and just remember it from the fond memories.

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    16. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by samoverton · · Score: 1

      Virtua Figher 3 for Dreamcast... - Man that game was awefull compared to the god that is soul calibur...

      Using the word 'aweful' instead of 'awful' completely changes the meaning of this sentence, which to a VF fan like myself is quite pleasing :)

      I own both Soul Caliber and VF3, and even though i am a great fan of the VF series, I must say Soul Caliber is an excellent game. Having said that, I would buy a PS2 just for VF4 :)

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    17. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by ShecoDu · · Score: 1

      It wasn't all that hard, equip the shield, and a ribbon (to avoid the status changes) and go to the small island where you start on the chaos world fighting with those little rabits, you wont even lose 1 HP. The paladin shield is a must have. high magic defense, I loved to see the shield popping up and stopping the magic attack.

      I've always been a FF fan, i've played them all from FFI to FFIX , still have to play FFX (haven't beaten them all, though, not enough time =( FFIIj was kind of annoying and cheatable, although the concept was interesting)

      I'm drifting away, I'll stop now =)

    18. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by asv108 · · Score: 2
      Terminator 2 for C64 - 10 Mins loading per 30 seconds of dull gameplay....

      Given that T2 came out in the summer of 92, what did you expect? I didn't know they were even still developing games for the C64 in 1992.

    19. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by shrubya · · Score: 1

      Soul Caliber - absolutey amazing. And the gameplay...

      ...and the gameplay was total button-mashing. We played it at a geek party a year ago, and quickly discovered that you could win about 3/4ths of the time by holding forward on the stick and B on rapid autofire.

      Then we switched to Power Stone and Crazy Taxi, which were loads more fun. Not sure if those were on DC or PS1.

    20. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by btellier · · Score: 2

      >...and the gameplay was total button-mashing.

      Maybe in single player mode, but wtf plays fighting games for that? I can assure you, as a Soul Calibur fanatic, that mashing will get you no where against someone with even moderate experience.

    21. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
      many people will argue that Link's Awakening [legendofzelda.com] was one of the best, if not the best in the series (I would disagree personally).

      I'd disagree, as well. The best was The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (all the concepts of the original taken to stellar levels), closely followed by The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (astounding 3D interpretation). I have actually heard that the best one is Majora's Mask, but I never played it (the only one I haven't played), I sold my N64 right before it was announced.

      I'm wating for a Gameboy Advance version of Zelda, hopefully it won't be a ported version of Link to the Past, I've played that game all the way through so many times dunno if I have the strength to do it again (and I'd have to do it again if they brought it out for GBA).

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    22. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by stagl · · Score: 1

      actually, i don't recall a game called "airwolf" for the atari 2600.

      i think the game that you are referring to is called "barnstorming". i believe that airwolf was later released for the NES.

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    23. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by majestyk2000 · · Score: 1

      I can't believe no one mentioned Automan!I mean, here was a guy who had a cool glowing suit, and a sidekick called Cursor! Rates at least a 9 on a 1 to 10 geeky scale.

    24. Re:Airworlf for 2600 by dswensen · · Score: 2

      I remember that show. I thought it was great when I was a kid. I shudder to think what it would look like to me today.

  14. Whew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm just going to be a little smug and say I don't own any of those games... anymore. God bless you, CD Warehouse! :)

  15. It's about love, damn it by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can tell when a game is good or bad, and 95% of the time, it's about how much the developers love what they do.

    Take a look at Morrowind, the upcoming game from Bethseda. I've spent a week with it, and while it's still beta and crashes, you can see that they give a damn if people like what they're doing. It's not about how much money you spend - the game Starships Unlimited and Serious Sam were made on a low budget - but they were both fun, entertaining games that succeeding in spite of their backgrounds. (Let's face it - who would have thought a no-name Crotian programming house would have made one of the best games of 2001, and 2002 with Serious Sam 2?)

    Then look at Final Fantasy X. Basically, it's a movie that sometimes you walk from point A to point B to watch the next movie. And it tells - the designers just didn't have that same love, that same pride in what they did (except in making great movie scenes and giving a reason to make sure Lulu won so you could check her out when she bent over.)

    It's true with fucking everything. If somebody doesn't care about what they make and what they do, then neither will anybody else. It doesn't always work (Battlecruiser 3000 - lots of love there, but not universally loved), but it's true with your work, your spouse, your children - and the games you play.

    Of course, that's my opinion. I could be wrong.

    1. Re:It's about love, damn it by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

      good point. the employees at microsoft must HATE what they do then.

  16. Heh.. by Matrim9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I like how, near the end of the bit on the X-BOX game, it throws in [in it's own paragraph!]

    (MSNBC is a Microsoft - NBC joint venture.)

    for no apparent reason. :o

    [And for you guys who, I suppose, didn't bother to read the entire article, the guy rips on the X-Box games just as bad as the rest of them.]

    1. Re:Heh.. by gewalker · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's called disclosure. Repsonsible journalists are supposed to reveal commercial ties that may influence their journalistic impartiality.

    2. Re:Heh.. by Col.+Panic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the guy rips on the X-Box games just as bad as the rest of them

      "rips on" by saying it has the most realistic (or was it "beautiful?") sky, islands and water and the physics were *too real* so it was overly challenging.

      that sounds more like marketing to me

    3. Re:Heh.. by ichimunki · · Score: 1

      Except that normally you don't stick this in the middle of the article in a way that draws attention to it. And frankly, this guy noting it does nothing to make me think he's somehow magiacally impartial now. As others have noted, his complaints about Xbox games actually read like ads for the console itself-- gameplay sucks, but you can't beat the graphics and the realism. The fact that, in the middle of the article, they wanted to put the word "Microsoft" in my mind while I was in a good mood, laughing even, speaks volumes about their real motives when "disclosing".

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    4. Re:Heh.. by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The whole point he was making was "wow, they sure spent a lot of time making this game pretty, too bad the play stinks." That is a rather common problem in the game industry.

      The only way this could be considered marketing vs. an honest review is if you think graphics are far more important than game play. In that case, it sounds, from what this guy said, that this game'd be for you.

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    5. Re:Heh.. by Col.+Panic · · Score: 1

      I disagree - gamers like a challenge because it means they will be playing for a long time before they can conquet it. Seriously - making hte physics "too" realistic just makes my mouth water.

      mmm ... realistic!

  17. Playability is why we own consoles by DohDamit · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If we wanted awesome graphics, we would use a computer.

    If we wanted complex story development or AI, we would use a computer.

    If we wanted real tactical or strategic challenges, we would use a computer.

    But we don't. We own consoles because:
    • We don't want to have to read a fucking manual to start playing the game
    • We want it to work in our living room
    • We want to be able to enjoy ourselves immediately
    • We want to have easy fun

    We own consoles because the games are easy and fun to play. Any development shop that misses these points is bound for the garbage heap of business history. The article hits this right on the head. Anyone who claims this is about any one console missed the point.
    1. Re:Playability is why we own consoles by larien · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Ok, my view on it. I used to avoid consoles, because the games were generally more expensive than PC games and there weren't as many options with a console (I like a lot of strategy games where the lack of a keyboard would cripple me).

      However, the reason I got a PS/2 was mainly down to the social aspects. I had a few mates round on Saturday night for a PS/2 session; any multiplayer session before was something like HOM&M3, in which you spend at best half your time playing, the rest is waiting for the other player(s) to finish their turns. The PS/2 on a widescreen TV was much more fun with a group of people, even when we were doing 2 player SSX tricky. Two people played, the other 2 laughed their asses off as people crashed and burned, often painfully...

      Of course, your points about "easy fun" and easy accessability are good too. On the PS/2, time between switch on and playing is around 30secs-1 minute. On a PC, you need about that to load the OS, let alone get a game started. That and the fact that shutdown is so much easier; you can pull the plug on the PS/2 without a problem (unless you're saving to the memory card at the time!) but a PC has to be shut down properly, taking 30 seconds or more (OK, you can switch off if you have a journaled filesystems, but I still use FAT32 for sharing between linux and XP).

    2. Re:Playability is why we own consoles by Cutriss · · Score: 3, Funny

      However, the reason I got a PS/2 was mainly down to the social aspects.

      Really? I got a PS/2 and let me tell you...my social life went in the shitter after that...Stupid jocks... :P

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    3. Re:Playability is why we own consoles by metamatic · · Score: 1

      I own a console because I refuse to buy Microsoft software and become another Microsoft whore. How about you?

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    4. Re:Playability is why we own consoles by DohDamit · · Score: 2

      I was given a playstation2 for christmas from one of my best buds the year it came out.

  18. Definitely bad in one aspect by sunhou · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ethnic Cleansing, made by Resistance Records (owned by the National Alliance neo-nazi group) using the Genesis3D open-source rendering software. In the game, you control a white KKK member who runs around beating up on other races. And you thought people were upset about violence in video games after Columbine...

    On the other hand, on this topic someone asked "why is beating up on other races bad, but beating up cops and prostitutes (in Grand Theft Auto 3) OK?"

    1. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by Keju · · Score: 1

      The game allows you to do it, but never is the objective in GTA3 to beat up prostitutes and cops.

    2. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by rark · · Score: 2

      Not to mention that the average cop, at least, has both the physical power and authority to defend himself. Given that over half of people of any given race are women and children (not that there aren't individuals in both those groups who *can* physically defend themselves, but on the whole...), not to mention people who are disabled, elderly, etc it's fair to assume that the majority of folks of any given race are not nearly as equipped to defend themselves as a cop who probably has a gun as well.

      And that's before legal concerns.

      Prostitutes..well, that one I can't defend.

    3. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by dark-nl · · Score: 1

      But in GTA3 you do beat up on other races! In fact one of the missions is to take a flamethrower into Chinatown to roast some Triads. The criminal factions in that game seem to be split along racial lines, and you have to fight most of them at some point.

      On the other hand, this game is so violent that making such distinctions seems silly. The character is a mass-murdering maniac who doesn't seem to care who gets ground under his wheels as long as he gets paid. (IS he doing these missions for the money? I assumed so because he seems to have no other reason, but there are easier ways to get money in this game.)

      It's still a fun game, though.

    4. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by Treeluvinhippy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because Video Games like any other medium are subject to what is politicaly correct at the time. Killing cops is politicaly correct at the moment, for those who decide what is politicaly correct today used to get arrested alot during the 60's & 70's. While killing a black person isn't so politicaly correct anymore. ( I say 'anymore' because in the 20's it was perfectly acceptable to be a member of the KKK and a member of congress at the same time) Killing is killing I don't care what skin color or uniform she/he is wearing at the time. Logic dosen't seem to figure into any part of the debate.

      Political Correctness has been applied to quite a few games that a many of you own. For example In Return to Castle Wolfenstein single player, you are allowed to run around and shoot Nazis. Banners depicting swaztikas hang from every precipce and Adolf's portrait hangs wherever convienant, all there ready to be shot-up by whatever weapon the player has handy.

      Now in multiplayer mode, the swaztikas are gone replaced with a deformed W with funky wings and Hitler's portraits are nowhere to be seen.

      You see, it's politicaly correct to kill Nazis, but it isn't to play one in a fantasy game depicting WW2.

      Wtf? Did the meaning of the word fantasy change since the last time I checked.

      Just because someone plays a Nazi in a game dosen't make them one.(People have been doing it for years. I mean those Avalon Hill board games wouldn't have as many cutouts if nobody can be Germans. Anybody remember those? The ones where they had those folding sections of maps that could be aranged in all kinds of ways. Came with a thousand cardboard squares representing various units. Whatever happend to that company? I should consult google) Just as much as playing GTA3 makes one a copkiller or pimp.

      Besides wich, whose to say what's politicaly correct? While the term is moderen the concept has been with us for centuries. Galileo was tortured by the Inquisition for supporting the Copernican Model of the solar system. Why? Because it underminded how the church said the universe functioned. A big no-no at the time. This is an example from the Middle Ages about political correctness was used to suppress unpopular ideas or thoughts, by focusing on the books that Galileo and others like him wrote. Wich was at the time the only mainstream media. The church was the big power and got to decide what was politicaly correct. As the monk Victor Bruno dicovered when he wrote that maybe there could be other worlds around other stars, and got burned at the stake for it. So much for the whole 'thou shall not kill and forgiveness' bit.

      I'm thankful in a way, it has been much worse in times past. Political correctness today is more annoying than dangerous.

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    5. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by mikeage · · Score: 2

      I've never played GTA3, but in the original, there was a mission where you had to kill 8 federales (in was on the san andreas board0 in... maybe 8 minutes, I don't recall them time. You couldn't just blow up random cops, you had to seek and destroy these cops on foot... seems pretty "goal" oriented to me..

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    6. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by sunhou · · Score: 2

      True, in GTA3 you do beat up on gangs of various races (the triad in Chinatown, the Japanese gang, and later the Columbians). But you aren't beating them up because of their race, whereas in Ethnic Cleansing it sounds like race is the reason for the violence. And in fact in GTA3 your loyalties change over time; for a while you are working for the Japanese, then later you are killing them while working for someone else (sorry if I spoiled it for anyone playing the game who hasn't gotten that far). (And as an aside, one of my favorite moments in the game was stealing a gang's car to do a hit, and then watching that gang get blamed for it.)

      And yes, in GTA3 you get paid for doing the various missions. Also, I think some of the missions involve killing cops, so it is a main part of the game at least occasionally. At least, I remember in one part of the game you work for a crooked cop and have to destroy evidence, etc.

    7. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by beertopia · · Score: 1

      hmmm... it's not necessarily OK to beat up in anybody, but assuming you're going to anyways: being prejudiced against people for something they choose to be- be it cop, politician, troll, or anyone who figures 'I can still be a prejudiced asshole as long as say I'm being anti-pc'- is obviously pretty different from hating them because of the color of skin they're born in.

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    8. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by kubrick · · Score: 1

      Just playing devil's advocate here -- maybe because people can choose their profession but can't choose their skin colour? (Assuming, of course, that inflicting pain on others is a value-neutral activiity :)

      (BTW, why is the 'Post anonymously' checkbox suddenly missing from this interface? Is AC suddenly persona non grata at /.?)

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    9. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by rtechie · · Score: 1

      My understanding about the deformed W thing has to do with international markets (France, Germany, etc.) where ANY depiction of the swastika or "Nazi imagery" is illegal (special exemptions are made for Holocaust memorials, etc.) You can't even find the swastika in history textbooks in Germany.

    10. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Galileo was not tortured by the Inquisition. He was placed under house arrest and was threatened with excommunication, but he was not tortured.


      Terribly brave of you, by the way, to stand up to the evil Political Correctness inqusition. If only everyone were so brave ...


      (Oh wait ... never mind ... they already are ... oh well)

    11. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by Treeluvinhippy · · Score: 1

      Galileo faced the Inquisition for three days. What do you think they did? Have tea and crumpets perhaps? What makes Galileo even more of a hero in my mind was that he didn't give up. After words when he was placed in house arest he wrote Dialouges Concerning Two New Sciences and had it smuggled out. Definiatly a man with big brass ones hanging between his knees.

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    12. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh...racial hate crimes don't have to have a "reason" behind them...when they happen, they happen, period, it doesn't matter what the perpetrators' frame of mind was. This point of view is shared by many leading minds and intellectuals in our society. Intentionally carrying out missions to kill members of a non-white race is as repugnant a concept as I've ever seen in a video game, and is certainly on par with the KKK game.

    13. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm ... I don't know about the tea and crumpets. But they didn't torture him.

      Oh ... did they mention in your 4th grade science class (where I assume you learned this admiration for Mr. Galilei) that his own theory of planetary motion suffered from as many epicycle problems as the Ptolemaic model ... and that the one contemporary model of planetary motion that was useful for predicting planetary motions (Kepler's) was specifically singled out by Galileo for ridicule?
      Some swingin' science stud he turned out to be ...

    14. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by Treeluvinhippy · · Score: 1

      That's like saying fuck Newton for Einstein proved hime wrong.

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    15. Re:Definitely bad in one aspect by sunhou · · Score: 2

      Uh...racial hate crimes don't have to have a "reason" behind them...when they happen, they happen, period, it doesn't matter what the perpetrators' frame of mind was.

      I thought the definition of a "hate crime" involved state of mind. I.e. if I kill someone of another race just because I was mugging them, that's a crime. But if I kill them because I hate their race or sexual orientation or whatever, that's a hate crime, and has a more severe punishment. (Not saying I necessarily agree with the reasoning, but I thought that was the legal definition of hate crimes in a nutshell.)

  19. biased view by nutterz · · Score: 1

    all the MSNBC article looks at is games for the current systems. Go back to the last generation of systems, specifically the playstation, you will find a multitude of games that are far worse than any stated there. Most of this would be due to development time, and also price, users would be less likely to buy something bad for a system that cost them an arm and 3 legs (ie. xbox) than they would for their trusty psx. When you read this don't just nod your head, have a look at your own collection of psx games, if you don't have a ratio of 1 good game to every 3-5 bad ones you've never been to indonesia and had 50c games at your fingertips.

  20. Hey, I -liked- Bloodwake! by InfinityWpi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's a damn fun game. The key, as in real life, IS NOT TO DRIVE YOUR BOAT UP ONTO THE ISLANDS! I mean, c'mon...

    Seriously, one of the most fun moments I've had with that game is trying to outrun torpedoes and turbo-boosting over a reef, sending my boat into the air while the torps hit the reef and blew up behind me. Smooth sailing from there. It may be Microsoft, but MS's games department tends to hit fairly often...

    1. Re:Hey, I -liked- Bloodwake! by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 1

      Oh, come on, there's always a penninsula or an isthmus, or something...

      It's Knight Boat! The crime-fighting boat!
      GMFTatsujin

  21. Link's Awakening? by |<amikaze · · Score: 1

    Do you mean the Gameboy version? That game rules! I played it for about 6 months non-stop when I was 8. That game was one of the most addicting games I've ever played!

    1. Re:Link's Awakening? by bludstone · · Score: 1

      Hes refering to the NES zelda 2.. which was sidescroller and absolute drek.

      A horrible game.

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    2. Re:Link's Awakening? by |<amikaze · · Score: 1

      Ohhhh that one. I concur, the 2nd NES one did suck hardcore.

      Phew, he wasnt degrading one of the most significant games of my childhood life :).

    3. Re:Link's Awakening? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i thought it was a brilliant game back then.
      much better than zelda 1 for nes...

    4. Re:Link's Awakening? by Col.+Panic · · Score: 1

      I agree - I actually finished that game. Took forever and I cannot believe I actually managed to do it. At the end you have to traverse a ridiculous labrynth and fight an inverse image of yourself who is quite a badass. Finally did it tho :)

    5. Re:Link's Awakening? by modecx · · Score: 1

      I don't think the game was that bad myself. It was very difficult (IKARI Warriors level here), and took an insane ammount of time to finish (which I never did). I got stuck about 1/2 way through the game, having to collect some item that I could not get to. This was one of two games I have never beaten for NES (this troubles me to no end, really.)

      I'm glad someone managed to do it though. I may have to plug my NES up again and see if I can finally beat that damn game. I hope the battery backup has still saved my game for me after all these years! Maybe then I can move on to the space game (forget the name) that I haven't done either. Arr!

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    6. Re:Link's Awakening? by btellier · · Score: 2

      Difficult is the flying noses in Kid Icarus.

      Difficult is being naked in Ghosts and Fucking Goblins.

      Difficult is DODGING THREE MISSLES FROM A SUBMARINE IN "TOP GUN" LEVEL 4 THEN HAVING TO REFUEL *AND THEN LAND*

    7. Re:Link's Awakening? by good-n-nappy · · Score: 1

      Actually, it wasn't a standard sidescroller. You start out in a top down overview and switch to the detailed side scrolling for interactions.

      I'm not sure how this could be cited as one of the worst games ever. I can see how you might not have liked it but it wasn't poorly conceived or executed? I loved this game.

      challenge - excellent
      graphics - excellent
      innovation - overview to sidescroller was a cool idea that built on Zelda I

      Here's a link that defends Zelda II.

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    8. Re:Link's Awakening? by modecx · · Score: 1

      Heh, yeah thanks for the memory jogger, or not. Iv'e wasted far too many hours of my life trying to land on those freaking carriers. *groan* It's a far easier thing to do in most naval air-simulations. *boggles*

      Gah! And the damn music! It's stuck in my head now! THANKS! :P

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  22. Universally Stupid. by b0r0din · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow. Picking up garbage. That is lame. Next let's make a game called "Day at the Beach" where in the time between flashing people and selling crack to preschoolers you pick up hypodermic needles and dead fish.

    What would have been better is to make a game where you find say a gun and just start capping everyone in line in front of you. Call it 'Universal Studios Rampage.' As a person who used to wait in lines, it would be quite therapeutic. Such missions could include going 'Back to the Future' to destroy Kevin Costner before he makes Waterworld. (Or the Postman, or that crappy movie about Bottles, or pretty much anything after Field of Dreams.)

    1. Re:Universally Stupid. by Col.+Panic · · Score: 1

      As a person who used to wait in lines

      and what do you do now - carry a gun?

  23. Waah, waah, waah. by Hnice · · Score: 5, Funny

    The MSNBC article is about crappy games, and how they exist. There are crappy games. There have always been, and there will always be crappy games. Now that you can't develop them without a significant investment and a large team, there are fewer 'Bible Adventures' and 'Wally Bear and the No! Gang's, and no 'Tooth Protectors' at all, but there are crappy games of an entirely different sort.

    Anyone who feels that games have gotten 'worse', without qualifying that statement in some way, is full of it, or is simply blocking out the part of their brain which held (or maybe has never heard of) the Wall Street Kid, Amagon, King of Kings, M*A*S*H, Vigiliante 8 parts 2 and 3, Mega Man 4, 5, and 6, Pac Man on the Atari -- the list goes on and on.

    No one's saying that Monster Party and Burgertime and Utopia shouldn't get props. But there were over 600 carts released for the NES -- how many of them are you really pining after here?

    I'm so sick of this discussion. Have you played Super Mario Brothers lately? It's one of the best platformers ever, no doubt, but it's over in 30 minutes. Games are different now than they were ten or fifteen years ago, and you can dislike what has changed about them, but 'better' or 'worse'? Those are awfully broad brushes. For every Blood Wake, there's a Halo, for every Mortal Kombat Advance, there's an Advance Wars, and for every Mall Tycoon, there's an Unreal Tournament. It's the way of the world. Some things are crap. And this is not a new condition, even in the gaming industry.

    Now quit your whining and let me get back to my Sim Golf.

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    1. Re:Waah, waah, waah. by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Hehe, I liked wall street kid! It was kind of predictable and cheesy, but a very original concept, a lot like Uplink

      I'd like to see more of this type of simulator game, it's an unexplored genre for the most part.

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    2. Re:Waah, waah, waah. by Hnice · · Score: 2

      Yeah, the whiny girlfriend you had to buy gifts for was the best.

      I guess that part of the problem with games like the kind you're talking about, which would be cool, is that the modelling it would require to build, say, a fake but believable stock market in your pc, is probably extraordinarily complex. and if you're good at it, you're probably not working for a game company, but for a derivatives firm or something.

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    3. Re:Waah, waah, waah. by Sid+Meier's+username · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's what he's saying. This is more of a "watch out for these crappy games" than a "video games aren't good any more" kind of thing. Not everyone spends a lot of time reading about or playing video games, so this is kind of a heads up of what to watch out for.

  24. I miss the good old days by Orangedog_on_crack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have many fond memories of the golden age of video games from the late 70's into the early 80's. The graphics were lacking, the sound was no where near what it is now, and the premiss of most games was simple. For all that those old games lacked, they had one thing that almost all of the games today don't have....a soul. Back then gameplay was the main focus for game developers. Too many of the new games go all out for the "eye-candy" factor and gameplay seems to be a distant concern. This goes for the arcade coin-op games as well as the home games. That's not to say that there weren't some serious turds floating in the video game swimming pool back then. Anything with a movie tie-in was almost certainly a waste of time, and I'm sure that some of us old-timers, now in our 30's, remember how much of a big dissapointment the 2600 version of Pac-Man was.

  25. Interesting and almost off topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Take a look at the reviews. careful to attack the games. A bad xbox game gets mentioned once, and it seems almost like they are complimenting the xbox while saying the game is a bit hard to control. Ever wonder what it's like trying to right objectionably about a product your company sells and wind up candycoating while ripping into the competitor, ask Steven Kent. Makes me glad I don't have his job.
    "The world is full of bias the secret is to know which way it runs"

    1. Re:Interesting and almost off topic by WildBeast · · Score: 2

      Well they tell the truth. Those games had amazing graphics, especially Blood Wake but the gameplay sucked bad.

  26. Best and Worst Lists by tiltowait · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Although nothing probably beats Custer's Revenge, there's a list of best/worst awards sites here. (don't mind the MSN stuff, the ODP is pulling a 4/1 joke).

  27. What about. by Gehenna_Gehenna · · Score: 2
    Gran Turismo 3

    and ...er...

    Grant Turismo 3?

    OK. You got me. I've been waiting for an original game for A LONG DAMN TIME. What have we got?

    Rez.

    Ico.

    Both new and interesting games in their own rights, but not the bold sweeping inovation that has been missing from video games in recent years. Games to day are either A) Shooters, B) RTS varients, C) Sims varients, or D) combination of the above.

    Yawn.

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    1. Re:What about. by phaze3000 · · Score: 2
      Grand Theft Auto 3

      Halo

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    2. Re:What about. by Gehenna_Gehenna · · Score: 2

      Grand theft auto 3 = shooter + sims(and a lttle "xtreeme bad action!!!" to sell the game). Halo= shooter. Good execution on both titles, but nothing revolutionary.

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    3. Re:What about. by dswensen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think innovation and revolution is highly overrated in games. I waited anxiously for Black & White for over a year, because it was going to be hugely revolutionary with its massive world and gesture-based controls and so forth. I played it for one day and took it back to the store, because while it was Innovative and Revolutionary, I didn't find it to be much fun.

      Grand Theft Auto III, on the other hand, is the most fun I've ever had with a video game. It doesn't reinvent the wheel, but I couldn't care less. It's a lot of fun, and that's what I play games for.

      Ultimately, there's only so much revolution you're ever going to see in video games. You're always going to be using the mouse and / or keyboard or controller to control a guy / spaceship / car / abstract cursor to blow things up / build civilizations / complete goals. That's just the way the medium is, I think.

    4. Re:What about. by qurob · · Score: 1

      Simply a 3D version of the original grand theft auto which came out in 1997/1998....nothing new as far as gameplay is concerned.

      It is a fairly good game, however.

    5. Re:What about. by Pxtl · · Score: 2

      Yer looking at the wrong games then. Sega consistenly puts out round after round of innovative games, and Nintendo's pushed out one or two really mindblowing tricks (true, most of them are re-makes of their N64 titles, but still).

      For sort-of fighting games, the Dreamcast ownz. Powerstone II handles more like a mix of Super Smash brothers with Mario 64 then a fighting game, and has four player freeplay. Virtual On Oratio Tangram is a really really unusual approach to head-to-head mecha combat.

      Sonic Adventure II has some really interesting new gameplay concepts, and a nice set of multiplayer gametypes.

      On the PSII, try Armored Core. It might look like a typical behind-view shooter, but it sure doesn't feel like one - the best mech design system I've ever seen on a video game, and it handles like a dream (the rocket flight system in that puts other jetpack games to shame).

      Of course, this is from my personal "single player is masturbation" perspective. I guess those Metal Gear and Final Fantasy games might have something to them, but if I wanted to play on my own, I'd only be using one hand and I don't have to pay for that joystick.

    6. Re:What about. by CakerX · · Score: 1

      Grand Theft Auto 3 is the best thing to ever happen to consoles, I am a die hard PC gamer and I would consider getting a PS2 just to play GTA3. Its got the right combination of action, gameplay, huge + detailed map, and enough sensles violence in case you ever get bored with the storyline and feel like killing things.

  28. Memorandum to the Clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is for you, and every other completely clueless dipshit who comments on this. They do this for the purposes of journalistic disclosure. It's so people such as yourself don't come back in six months after finding out that MSNBC is a Microsoft venture and claim MS bought exposure.

  29. Exihbit ??? by Constrain_Me · · Score: 1

    Exihbit 1: Words people should not Misspell

  30. This review has a familiar feel by ptomblin · · Score: 2

    ...It's just like Old Man Murry but without the gratiuitous overuse of the word "fuck". Man, I miss OMM - and before you say it's still there, they've done, what, about 3 updates since September? Might as well take down the site with that sort of update rate.

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  31. I'll blame it on.... by qurob · · Score: 1

    All games just try to be violent, or flashy 3D, or have some kind of commercial tie-in which almost never works.

    The demise of the side-scroller...at least Abe's Odyssey still used it

  32. And your point is? by silvaran · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I anticipated an overly unbalanced article, being that
    (MSNBC is a Microsoft - NBC joint venture.)
    and held my breath while I read the article. Fortunately, it does do a good job of picking on all the top players in the industry, though the article truly has no point.

    I found myself hunting around for a "Next>" link at the bottom of the article, confused at the abrupt end. None. Then I re-read the "conclusion":

    Playing a fighting game without good controls is like going to a Milli Vanilli concert in which the dubbed music does not work. I mean, what's the point?

    That doesn't explain this article at all. It explains partially what to look for in a fighting game.

    What is the point of this article? It's clearly not an extensive review of the worst games. I consider myself an adequate judge of a good game, after purchasing (interpret how you may) over 100 games for the original Playstation, and another 20 for the PS2. I've seen far worse games than what they have here, many not worth the price of rental. Granted, there's nothing worse than a fractional frame-rate or the controller-breaking frustration of a ridiculously difficult game, but why warn consumers about the pothole in front of them, only to have them fall into the next?

    I counted about 8 games to avoid. I'd be willing to bet there are more than just a few games that serve no other purpose on the shelves than to be load-bearing devices. Few are even worth the price of a blank CD (but you didn't hear that from me).

    IMHO, if you want to write an article like this, give the do's and don'ts to selecting a game. Give suggestions on how to weed out the worst from the best. Don't just list a bunch of bad games, say why they're bad, plug a few consoles (any publicity is good publicity) and leave it at that.

    (conclusion reduced to prevent conflict of interest)

    1. Re:And your point is? by metamatic · · Score: 1

      The point of the article is to fill space and get people to look at ads.

      And from the author's point of view, the point of the article is to get paid.

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  33. Pointless article by f00zbll · · Score: 1
    Ok, so the author of the article likes to complain, but it's hardly news people. As aristotle would say, "beauty and the other beauty." Good games wouldn't exist without bad games. If all we needed and wanted are good games, then there would only be one game. One game would do every thing, be everything and rule everybody. That's a boring world to live in. There has to be aweful games to make us appreciate games that are well designed and executed.

    Numerous philosophers have addressed the idea of perfection and quality. The bottom line is everything changes, everything is good and bad, everything is nothing and nothing is everything. Like a great game just happens without precursors. Like game designers magically hit the bullseye on the first shot every single time. The only thing that article does is hype how great the graphics are in the new game consoles.

  34. DOOM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, there is a flaw in their logic. That is, in DOOM barrels blew up, negative health. They didn't give you anything.

    1. Re:DOOM by good-n-nappy · · Score: 1

      I think that would count as ammo.

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  35. I think Arctic Thunder should be the worst ever! by Nelson · · Score: 3, Insightful
    My sister works at a radio station. They did some promotion giving away PS2 games. When the people don't come in 30 days she can keep stuff if she wants. So one afternoon she strolls over to my place and gives me this game. Up to that point I had been completely high on PS2. I had Ico, GT3, NBA Street and I didn't think they could make a bad game for such a fine machine. Then I slipped Artic Thunder in.. I don't remember that crappy a title on any platform. They wouldn't let me trade it in at the store!


    Ignoring the slow downs, I haven't really even played it enough to see them, there is just this amazingly cheap quality about it all. I mean the premise is insultingly stupid. I'm reminded of the mid 1990's when there was this glut of first person shooters release, I mean just dozens of them on the PC and they were largely Doom with different levels and graphics, or about that sophisticated and a lot of them you could tell were just rush jobs, someone somewhere hired a few artists and an engineer and tried to crank out a game in a week and make some bucks off the trend. they had this feeling like there was no soul put in to it, the authors didn't even care if they were good or not, that's how Arctic Thunder feels. Honestly, I doubt the authors really cared if it was any good, if not, then they have to be slave programmers in some radically different culture where they've never seen snow or something. There is just something amazingly shallow about it and I've only put about 10 minutes on it.

  36. All shooter games on consoles shouldn't be played by WildBeast · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a hard time using shooter games on a console. It's so much harder to control. Nothing beats PC's for shooters.

    Consoles however are great for racing, party and fighting games.

  37. No press is bad press by soupforare · · Score: 1

    'hmm, I can buy this DC and some games from my buddy down the street.... or get this kickass new xbox game! I hear the sky is incredible, if the sky's great the game must be *awesome*!'

    ::playing Yar's Revenge::

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    --- Do you believe in the day?
  38. Games should be jusged on length of play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Game quality needs to be judged based on length of derived enjoyment, rather than the quality of the story, the quality of the graphics, or the speed or performance of the system on which it is played. The quality of a game shgould be judged on the time you/your kid plays and/or enjoys it. This is not nearly as subjective as the other measures and gives a good indication of the value you recieve from the game.

    It's a modified economic utility model, in a way. How much utility have you gained from the expenditure on this game? Did it occupy 100% of the time you alocated for game play? Did it enguage you to a degree that allowed you to successfully ignore the world around you for that period? How many days/weeks/months of game play time did it occupy? What was the hourly cost of your game play? These are all valid and objective measures of the quality of a game.

    It's also important to recognize the Signs You've Played Too Many Video Games , but this is a much more subjective thing.

    --Rick

  39. Skydive for Atari by mrvis · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe it was Skydiver. That was easily one of the best games for the 2600. You push the button to jump, you push down to pop your parachute, then you steer hoping that the wind isn't too bad. Then you had the damn moving landing pads.

    Anyone who played it can't tell me they didn't have hours of fun just pounding their jumper into the ground time after time after time. Take away my points - see if I care!

    1. Re:Skydive for Atari by Motor · · Score: 1

      What the hell, this is worth a shot. I have a dim memory of my brother and I playing an arcade game: Two player game; dog-fighting biplanes viewed from the side; ace physics with gravity and stalling.

      Is there a version of this for linux... anyone?

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    2. Re:Skydive for Atari by redhatbox · · Score: 2


      I believe that would be "Sopwith Camel"... which I used to play on an AT&T PC6300 8086 box as a kid :). It was a rather cool game, allowing for neat stuff like modem and serial connectivity for playing a remote opponent. Only trouble was how damn *fast* it ran on the next machine I slapped it onto, a 486 DX/2 66 :).

      Unfortunately, no Linux version seems to exist... perhaps I should code one up? :)

    3. Re:Skydive for Atari by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2
      Sounds like the airplane game from Triple Action, an Intellivision game.

      Hm, that's not actually an arcade game. O well.

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  40. Drug Wars by mrvis · · Score: 1

    It's close. You go around buying and selling drugs. I remember playing this for DOS about 10 years ago. Then the PC version became popular. Now it's the Palm version. My girlfriend admits that she'll go to class and just play Drug Wars the whole time.

    Is the fact that Drug Wars is an addicting game ironic?

    1. Re:Drug Wars by ELCarlsson · · Score: 1

      I remember making a similar game during Pascal class in high school. Kinda pathetic I know, but it was a big hit with everyone in my class. Hours of fun.

  41. ah, the 80s by kernelfoobar · · Score: 1

    Holy cow! Thanks !! I never thought I'de be able to find out... MAN, being a kid in the 80's was cool! GI-Joe, Hot Wheels and Lego ruled the world...

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    1. Re:ah, the 80s by dswensen · · Score: 2
      I used to watch Street Hawk religiously as a kid -- mostly for the Tangerine Dream soundtrack. It was awful, of course, but I was a kid and didn't know any better.

      I often thought they should have combined Knight Rider, Airwolf, and Street Hawk into one big show where everybody drove around black, high-tech vehicles.

      All they were missing was a boat. If it had been ten years later, maybe they could have used Knight Boat!

  42. Re:All shooter games on consoles shouldn't be play by kernelfoobar · · Score: 1

    True, True. A couple of years back, I played almost every game (PC) with the gravis gamepad (classic). Then I saw one of my friends playing some FPS with a mouse, of all things, and keyboard. I thought that they'd gone mad. It took a while, but today I can't play any other way: the precision and control of mouse/keyboard, simply can't be beat. However, like the parent post, gamepads (and consoles) are best for fast paced racing/fighting games.

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  43. And I suppose books shld be judged on # of pages? by Hnice · · Score: 2

    This is moronic. It falls apart as soon as we recognize that 'enjoyment' is not a binary state, on or off, but rather occuring in degrees. The total enjoyment = enjoyment level * duration, and your point only makes sense if the only possible values for 'enjoyment' are 1 and 0, or some constant k and 0 where k is the same for all games. Is a 5000-hour game that you barely enjoy at all honestly better than a 20-hour game that is completely engrossing all the way through?

    Hopefully, this was a troll. If not, I presume you believe that the latest harry potter should be judged better than, say, hamlet, for its superior duration?

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  44. Old Man Murray strove to avoid the f-word... by Bigboote66 · · Score: 1
  45. Duck Hunt? BLASPHEMER! by DeHar · · Score: 1

    Duck Hunt looks like so much fun because it WAS fun. Three shots, "Qwack wack wack", a laughing dog... plus it came with a gun (the second best controller for the NES, behind R.O.B.)

    The worst game was the original NES football, if only because I always lost to my brothers, then got into trouble for beating them with the controller.

  46. Final Fantasy III (er, VI!) by Dimensio · · Score: 1

    I saw FFIII and was thinking Famicom because I'm used to the Japanese number system.

    As for Cid, you don't revive him but you can prevent him from dying in the first place (which is documented in most of the FAQs).

  47. Grand Theft Auto 3 by eclipsemgp · · Score: 1

    GTA3 is an very original game. I don't know how you missed this one. You really don't know how fun it is until you start to get involved. There are so many different missions and side games that it's hard not to love. If you mean a game that EVERYBODY can play well, then I guess we are in a drought.

    1. Re:Grand Theft Auto 3 by Tessera · · Score: 1

      GTA3 is an very original game.

      Let's analyze that. First, let's look at the number "3" in its name, denoting its status as the third in the series of the same name. Now, let's examine GTA and GTA2, the previous installations. Hmmm...what's this? It turns out that GTA3 is just a graphical upgrade of a game that was released 4 years earlier? What an incredible surprise! *sigh*

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    2. Re:Grand Theft Auto 3 by eclipsemgp · · Score: 1

      Obviously you have never played the game. The first two, while having a cult following, were not all that great. The third is nothing like the first two. Graphical Upgrade, yes. But GTA3 is leaps and bounds ahead of the other two. The evironment interaction is unique and the sheer size of the game makes it that much better. Go play it and see if you come to the same conclusion.

    3. Re:Grand Theft Auto 3 by Tessera · · Score: 1

      Actually, I've played both GTA and GTA2. And while I'll give you the environmental interaction, and I admit unreservedly that it makes it a better game, it doesn't make it a different game....

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  48. Re:All shooter games on consoles shouldn't be play by djbentle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a die-hard pc fps player I thought the same thing until I played halo. Are the controls as accurate as they would be on a PC? No. But they are completely transparent after 10 minutes to get used to them and don't detract from the game at all.

    If you had to play against someone using a keyboard and mouse you would get slaughtered, but you don't so why miss out on one of the best fps's of all time because of imagined problems with the control scheme. It is incredibly fun and, after all, that's what is important.

    Now the lack of an online mod community for multiplayer, that is another problem entirely.

    David

  49. Actually.... by CrazyDuke · · Score: 1

    I buy consoles because I don't like having my games crash often. *cough*windows*cough* Which means I probably won't get an X-Box unless I can hack it into a cheap PC. Then I'd run nix on it just out of shear spite (and that'll probably be the only set of OS's to have drivers for it). ;P

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  50. Dising xbox? by Kizzle · · Score: 1

    This comments is probly to late for anyone to read but....I find it supprising that a news company that is own by microsoft (or am I wrong?) is saying bad things about xbox games.

  51. The Orb rule. by Sorcerer13 · · Score: 1

    Hey, did anyone notice that combat was spelled with a k? I know this seems to be the trend in video games, but has it traveled so far as to be accepted as a perfect substitution for the letter c?

  52. peeve by onShore_Jake · · Score: 1

    You can also earn points by shaking hands with such Universal Studios movie characters as the Wolfman, Frankenstein, E.T., and the Creature from the Black Lagoon
    It's Frankenstein's Monster, not Frankenstein. .

  53. uber-difficult games are THE WORST by btellier · · Score: 2

    Difficult is the flying noses in Kid Icarus.

    Difficult is being naked in Ghosts and Fucking Goblins.

    Difficult is DODGING THREE MISSLES FROM A SUBMARINE IN "TOP GUN" LEVEL 4 THEN HAVING TO REFUEL *AND THEN LAND*

    Ugh. They were fun for about 1 afternoon before you got so frustrated that you burned them in effigy and went back to playing Kung Fu.

  54. Re:And I suppose books shld be judged on # of page by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
    The total enjoyment = enjoyment level * duration, and your point only makes sense if the only possible values for 'enjoyment' are 1 and 0, or some constant k and 0 where k is the same for all games. Is a 5000-hour game that you barely enjoy at all honestly better than a 20-hour game that is completely engrossing all the way through?

    Of course it's an analog and not a digital measurement. Truth is, the best games are really the one's that demand obsession, and I don't just mean from a small group of guys that like to run around and kill people. I mean games like:

    • Phantasy Star Online
    • Super Mario Bros. 3
    • The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
    • Final Fantasy VII
    • Pokémon
    • ICO
    • Oregon Trail
    • SSX Tricky
    These are the kinda games that make you wanna play until it's finished, and then make you wish it wasn't finished.
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  55. $8oo plus tax in game systems... by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 2


    Everyone is talking about how great these systems are, but let's be honest...

    I just don't have $300 and then get Halo..
    (And then another $300 when your Xbox breaks in 91 days... LOL)

    Another $300 and then get GTA3...

    And then for over another $200 for a Gamecube to let it sit warmed up and plugged in fot the next Zelda and Mario game.

    Everyone is screaming about the one great game, and not screaming about the price to buy the dang systems.

    1. Re:$8oo plus tax in game systems... by amuro98 · · Score: 1

      If you pick a console wisely, the cost of the hardware will be nothing compared to the cost of the software.

      Personally, I wouldn't buy a console unless there are at least 3 or 4 "good games" (for whatever value you use for "good game") available for it.

      I bought a PS2 last year and have gotten my money's worth out of the platform so far. GameCube looks like it could be very promising. It doesn't have enough "good games" by my definition yet, but its upcoming schedule looks intriguing...

      At any rate, game hardware only drops in price as time goes on. The PS2 is rumored to drop $50-100 by this summer, and there are even rumors about the XBox doing the same. Also don't forget most games will get marked down as well, so if you don't want to pay $50 for a new game, wait awhile, and get it for $20-30 when it hits the bargin bin. Nothing wrong being "behind the curve." Cheaper, too.

  56. Re:All shooter games on consoles shouldn't be play by AutumnLeaf · · Score: 1

    I like RPGs on consoles too. There are some good ones. I tend to avoid the ones that involve proceeding from cut-scene to cut-scene. That's what I loved about the Kings Field games on PS1. I just got Kings Field IV the other day. Haven't tried it yet, but I'm excited about it. :-)

    I wish game designers for RPGs would realize cut-scenes can augment a game, but by themselves don't "count" as a game. If I'm not racing a clock, calculating expending resources, etc... I'm not very entertained, because I'm not being mentally challanged.

    Consequently, I tend to be very conservative about using the inventory items I pick up on my way through levels. Often times I'll will defeat a boss or clear a section using "conventional" or "standard" weapons instead of the special ones I've picked up along the way. When I got back to review a walkthrough to see what I missed, often times I'll notice I did things the "hard way." That doesn't bother me - the higher difficulty translates into "more fun" for me.

    With respect to the article on MSNBC, I thought it was pretty whiny, and not thought through very well.

  57. This review done right by bedouin · · Score: 1

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  58. Biased Review by 80's+Greg · · Score: 1

    Is it just me, or is this about as biased as reviews can get? First off, the image at the top of the page shows an image from a Gamecube game, including the Gamecube logo. Of course, why would MSNBC put an XBox game up there? The first few games reviewed were all either Playstation, Gamecube, or Dreamcast, with the last one being an XBox game. The reviews for the first few games only told how terribly bad they were. When I got to the review about the XBox game, the first paragraph was about how great it was because of its superior graphics to other games and game systems.

    On another note, when clicking "1 - not at all" on the "would you recommend this story to a friend" link, it said "sorry, you've already voted" (which was certainly not true).

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  59. I Already Know by 4of12 · · Score: 2

    by hard experience, Games Not to Play.

    Any school child has been thoroughly indoctrinated about these.

    For instance, any one with a deck of cards asking if you'd like to play "52 Card Pickup". I only had to play that game once, at age 6.

    Another great card game that any 8 year old can teach to a 5 year old is "Janitor".

    The worse part of the whole thing is that, despite growing much older and more knowledgable and ostensibly working at a professional job, the workplace is still full of such games and people with mentalities to propagate them.

    I especially like equivalents to "Bring Me a Rock".

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  60. My favorite part of the article... by gnomer · · Score: 1

    ...is right in the middle where they had stuck an advertisement to buy Grand Theft Auto 3 for "only $44.99 on MSN.com."

  61. It's PC cause... by allism · · Score: 1

    the game lets you kill everyone equally. Not that I'm supportive of going out and killing everyone, but...

  62. Bottom of article by beta21 · · Score: 1

    I read the article and what caught my eye was the story at the bottom.

    "Porn is out", the writers got this right. Games and porn. Ageeks delight

  63. Re:All shooter games on consoles shouldn't be play by scot4875 · · Score: 1

    I have a hard time using shooter games on a console. It's so much harder to control.

    I completely disagree with this. The control isn't *harder*, it's just a little slower (since you can't whip your view around like with a mouse).

    As long as the game is designed with this in mind, it's easy to tune the action and level design to compensate. I've played through several console FPSes and had a lot of fun with them.

    Of course, if your idea of a fun FPS is a simple twitch action game, then a console FPS is not for you. (Neither is anything like Deus Ex).

    --Jeremy

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  64. Games are SOOOOOO much more than just time. by Defcon_IV · · Score: 1

    And if you believe that then the rest of existence must be sad at homebase. C'mon you really can't believe that because Tony Hawk2 for the GC is really better than the original Mario Brothers?!? In THPX2 you have to beat the game with all of the regular characters, all of the secret characters, your own custom character, and get every single-pittly little dollar bill blowing in the wind before you beat the game. And after a while all of that would be boring, even if it were challenging, but you get cheats that allow you to basically FLY AROUND LIKE YOU WERE ON THE MOON!!! Skateboarding at 1/6th Earth's gravity doing the same thing for the 18th time is not good, and not quality, and certainly not challenging. Kick some tricks with your friends for a while...then leave your house and enjoy a real deck. Real-life examples lead down the path of enlightenment again!

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  65. Nothing New by irritating+environme · · Score: 1

    This generation has been particularily bad. What does PS2/XBOX offer besides upgraded graphics? So far we have GTA 6, FF 25, Tony Hawk 8, and zero new ideas. XBOX has Oddworld 5 and clones of Gran Turismo and a FPS shooter. The Nintendo-Super Nintendo jump was big solely because of the sheer beauty of the 16bit graphics. SNES->PSX was equally big due to the Polygon rendering. But the PS2 and XBOX are not that impressive, especially given the blatant rehashing of games. And the entire business is just too blatantly corporate and hollywood at this point. People line up to buy platforms just to own one, software be damned. Everything is a sponsored hype machine. I'll wait for the emulators.

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  66. they could just be right, you know.... by Malor · · Score: 1

    I have both consoles, and Xbox stuff looks A LOT better than PS2 stuff. This isn't a slanted review, it's simple truth. The PS2 is a much less capable 3-d machine.

    That said, the PS2 games are better, at least for now.

    They're not saying the Xbox graphics are better because of some vast underground conspiracy, they're saying that the graphics are better because they are. That's not biased reporting, that's just the simple truth.

    1. Re:they could just be right, you know.... by WankersRevenge · · Score: 1

      That's not biased reporting, that's just the simple truth.

      Reporting, by its nature, is biased. Two facts are inherently "not equal" and it is the process of one's own political ideology which determines which "fact" is better than "this other fact". The reporter may not be aware of this - but intent has nothing to do with the message being communicated. That is why conspiracies having nothing to do with this because conspiraices imply intent. When observing (the keyword here as opposed to consuming) the news, I like to examine the message and its inferences (or lack thereof) rather than focus on the people who crafted them. As for "truth" - that's an entirely different conversation originally started by Plato.

      As for this message, the reviewer was reviewing games of all make. He starts the article with the mention of Duke Nukem and he will use that game as judging criteria. There he states:

      Before beginning MSNBC.com's list of must-avoid games, let us discuss Duke Nukem for game.com, the yardstick by which all bad games must be measured.

      He explains that a bad game can have good graphics, it will suffer from a horrible framerate. You could probably argue even further that a bad game is a game that can't preform.

      Now does he use this yardstick? No.

      NFLGameday (PS2) - not a bad game according to his definition. Just a bad looking game which is why he considers it "bad".

      Bloodwake (X Box) - not a bad game at all. Just the physics are just too "overly-consistent".

      Artic Thunder (PS2) - a bad game due to slowdown which fits his definition.

      Kabuki Warrior (X Box) - not a bad game. Just a button masher.

      Universal Studios Theme Park Adventure (Gamecube) - Not a bad game. Just a bad concept.

      Mortal Kombat Advance (GBA) - A bad game due to framerate problems.

      So in summary alone, Playstation has one bad game, Advance one bad game, and X-Box and the Game cube have none.

      Now lets look at bad looking games - only the playstation.

      Hmm...

      So all and all you can infer that the X-Box and Gamecube seem to have the "better" system because there are really no "bad" games for them. At least according to his "yardstick" definition at the top of the article. The playstation is the only other console system that has a "bad" game for it whereas the GBA is a hand held system.

      Interesting inferences, no?

      Why is this an X-Box vs Playstation issue - because he frames the article such by putting playstation first, then x-box, then playstation, then x-box again. Are you seeing the compare-contrast dynamic that I'm seeing?

      Now we can argue until we're blue in the face which is a better system, but I'm not arguing about that. I'm arguing that this article is slanted towards his employers and Nintendo which hopefully, I've proved it to you.

      Now for homework, check out the local news and ask yourself during an important story "what aern't they saying". After awhile, you'll come to see that the media are entirely biased. This isn't conspiracy theory, its simply journalism.

  67. Games that Affect Children by bmcphall · · Score: 1
    "Computer games don't affect kids... If Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music" -As seen on a T-Shirt

    I agree.

  68. quarters by timothy · · Score: 1

    quarters is another one it generally only takes one try to learn. It involves #2 lead pencils, quarters, and a no sympathetic observers to alert the victim.

    timothy

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  69. Re:All shooter games on consoles shouldn't be play by kubrick · · Score: 2

    Perfect Dark on the N64.

    (and Goldeneye's not bad either)

    I originally felt like you did, but PD is just so well balanced :) You just have to adapt to the loss of resolution...

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  70. How come nobody mentioned Portal Runner? by Matarick · · Score: 0

    When I used to write for PSXNation, I wanted to review a game, any game. I thought to myself, what is a game that nobody in PSXNation claimed to review first. A thought went into my head and decided that I want to review 3dO's Portal Runner. To my suprise, Brian Gray sent Portal Runner through the mail and I went to my room and started to play it. I had the PS2 for several months and I hadn't played too many PS2 platformers, so I had an open mind. To my dismay, Portal Runner had the few rare qualities of useless iteam collection, cumbersome controlls, terible graphics, and a clichéd plot to boot. If you want to read my review in bad english, go to here.


    Portal Runner is a part of the golden dung pile of 3dO's Army Men series. I don't know how it got popular, maybe due to some nice marketing and trying to cash in on a Pixar related success. Outside of the Heroes of Might and Magic and High Heat Baseball, 3d0 normally releases bad games (Godai: Elemental Force, and Dragon Rage are recent examples).

  71. Avalon Hill [OT] was Re:Definitely bad in one a... by ruin · · Score: 2
    Whatever happend to that company?


    They made a whole bunch of kick-ass board games, to wit: Advanced Civilization, Titan, Diplomacy, Cosmic Encounter, Acquire, and more. Recently-ish they got bought by Hasbro and are reprinting select games in fancy boxes with flashy boards and pieces.

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  72. The glut of FPSs ended? by metamatic · · Score: 1

    When I go in the store and see stuff like "American McGee's Alice", "Return to Castle Wolfenstein", "Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force", "Red Faction" etc etc, it seems to me that the glut of FPSs is very much alive and well.

    Someone must be buying them.

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  73. opinions by HighExecutioner · · Score: 1

    Games sell to the wrong crowd. The gamers buy most of them, and the Pop culture market is targeted, so for every good game out there, there must be at least 3 junk titles. God I wish that gaming was longer than a 6 hour experience. We need to pull the funding to Capcom, Midway, 989 Studios, Eidos, and 3do. Maybe if people stopped buying their crap, they'd stop making more. I think it is a sad day when a console has been on the market for only a year, and there are less than a dozen GOOD games for the system.

  74. Best Garbage Collecting Sim ever by L-Train8 · · Score: 2

    C'mon, this game was the best garbage collector sim I've ever played. There are tons games where you play as a secret agent or a soldier, but this is one of the few truly ground-breaking games that lets you pick up virtual garbage.

    It would have been even better if you could have played as a park employee. Think of the action: people who are sick of waiting in line yelling at you, passing out from heat exhaustion in your costume, having small children puke on you... Now that would've been a game.

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