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Sega doing PalmOS Games
Bill Kendrick writes "Sega has demonstrated a number of games for Palm OS handhelds during a keynote address at the PalmSource Japan conference. PDA Live has the scoop. The games they've made so far aren't going to be released commercially, but they're available for trial download through April."
But I don't imagine this will be as useful as Astroglide.
Finally a reason to buy a PDA. I'll need a suitable controller, but personal address books and calanders just never quite made these things interesting for me. Serious old school gaming will get me to CompUSA for one of these faster than all the financial apps in the world.
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Sega has demonstrated a number of games for Palm OS handhelds during a keynote address at the PalmSource Japan conference.
The games were developed specifically for the presentation using Metrowerk's Codewarrior and were run from a development board using a Motorola DragonBall MX1 processor. They featured colour animation and 3D texture mapping.
Sega announced in January 2001 that it would develop games for the Palm OS as part of a strategic move to exit the console business. It has already released a number of titles for J2ME mobile telephones. Sega was keen to stress the games, which included 'Smilebit', 'Borkov' and 'Triangle Magic', were not intended for commercial release, although they are available for trial download from http://pda.sega.co.jp/index-e.html which will stay open until the 30th of April 2002.
"When a new platform is born, developing and delivering a good quality software to the market is an important factor to drum up the business," said Shoji Ueda, President, Metrowerks Japan. "I think Sega's demo software has shown a possible path for developing game software for next generation Palm handhelds. In order to deliver a critical mass of software to the market, developers need a flexible development environment tailored to their needs. And it is our commitment to support and provide them with those tools."
The first screen shot looked an awful lot like Zero Wing...
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- I knew Sega was behind it all along.
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Damn them for making me buy one of those controllers or a keyboard... and yet, it's cool because I wanted to use up more RAM anyway. :P
.. *drool* Or better yet a Genesis emulator. Except you'd need the m500 series for that (or one of the others with expansion card support) because the ROMs would be way too big to hold in RAM. Still cool, though..
Sega's decision to become a third-party dev instead of a console manufacturer just keeps working better and better, eh? Maybe we'll see a Sonic game on the Palm
Don't read this!
Sega is a PUBLISHER not merely a developer and aquires other programmers games and publishes them.
No big deal to "do" palmOS games.
They just publish 'em if they like them.
We can't compete with Microsoft & Sony... so let's port some TRS-80 software to a handheld.
I recomend every one check out the download site, the broken english is hillarious
"The highly efficient library which our company developed uniquely this time and which makes drawing expression rich is included in the demonstration software introduced by the conference. the company which can develop the application of rich game development or rich power of expression -- since offer is planned like, please contact me to the following mail address about a library and application."
And finally:
"In addition, a general user -- a question [ like ] -- please understand beforehand that I cannot reply to an inquiry."
Phew...
Remove the space in "...stallma n/index..."
You'd think a company the size of SEGA could afford to keep a couple native english speakers around to translate things. Aparently not though:
The highly efficient library which our company developed uniquely this time and which makes drawing expression rich is included in the demonstration software introduced by the conference. the company which can develop the application of rich game development or rich power of expression -- since offer is planned like, please contact me to the following mail address about a library and application
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Now, while I love my Handspring and think its both a great tool and a great time-waster, I have never found arcade style games on such a minute screen to be particularly compelling.
Honestly, even the best efforts in that genre -- and even with the new color, back-lit screens -- are just damn uncomfortable to try and see. After a long gaming session, I'd expect one's eyes to bleed.
There are exceptions, but there's always going to be the limitations of the straining human eye to overcome, and I don't think even Sega can do that with the restrictions that the current PDA architecture imposes.
This is what I've been dreading for ages -- a big player in the Palm Game cottage industry. The thing about Palm development is that it's nice and friendly, but it's not *too* capable.
As a result, some teenager in his garage can write the best software. It's like back in the eighties when ten-year-olds would be writing assembly code and games were *playable* rather than *pretty*. It's an area of the software industry that throwing money at the task won't help.
I've been writing a pretty large scale Palm game on my own for the past six months, and it's still a long way from completion. I really don't want a big player to come in and start causing trouble for all us small-time developers.
Sorry about the unstructured rant, but I'm just annoyed now.
So, how long until NVIDIA or whoever releases a GeForce XYZ PDA Power Ultra v4 graphics cards to power the soon-to-be-announced QuakePDA 4? Sweet.. :p
Note: I have an oldish Palm iiic.
The games load fairly slowly (10-15 seconds, maybe they're doing some precalculation or something) and you have to sit through slowly fading in/out Sega/Smilebit splash screens (come on, seeing it once should be enough!)
Triangle looks cute, like some old MSX Konami game, but as soon as I selected (out of curiosity) 'quit game' from the menu, I got a 'fatal exception' and had to *hardware* reset -> game deinstalled.
The other game seems definitely addictive, and it hasn't crashed yet, so I think I'm going to keep it for now: the rotation of the square is a bit choppy, but the user interface is really cool. Sucks that, unlike most palm games, if you switch to some other application and you re-enter the game, it just starts from scratch instead of remembering where you were.
-- the cake is a lie
Sega Swirl is an addictive puzzle game - originally a freebee for the Dreamcast, and later ported to the PC. The Palm version allows people to play head-to-head via IR link. Plus (unlike the demos mentioned it the article) it runs on monochrome Palms.
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I'm glad to see that Sega is branching out. They've always made excellent games. I still play my dreamcast almost everyday. And finally I can use my PDA for something useful.
Hope they build a Quake clone to palm so we can all group and play it with our palms on a lan partie! :)))
damn, imagine you talking to a friend near you at a palm-lan partie: "hey, check it out, i modded my palm, it has transparent case, neon lights inside, geforce 4, and everthing else..."
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What, me worry?
Check this out - PDA graphics accelerator from ATI: http://www.ati.com/technology/hardware/imageon100/ index.html
Smilebit is not a game, it's a development company.
I want Red/Sakura Taisen minigames....
I can't imagine this being extremely profitable for sega. Although a lot of the new devices are built more like gaming controllers (I know the buttons on the latest HP jornada is similar to an oldschool NES controller), how many people would buy retail games to install on a handheld device when there's so many better alternatives for gaming.
If the games are priced the same way as console games I can't see many people buying them, and if they are cheap enough to raise the quantity demanded significantly enough, sega probably won't make much money on them anyway.
on those websites! :))
it reminds me of ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US and SOMEBODY SET US UP THE BOMB!
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Have a look at this site: www.engrish.com. You'll find plenty of fun for the annoying week-end coming-up... It's even worst than CowboyNeal English!
The page says the game requires "3.5 or more PalmOS(s)". I can get two instances of PalmOS running at once, *maybe* two and a half on a good day, but three and a half Palm OSs... man, that's more than I can do. They must have some really good engineers over there.
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I Wonder when they will start making some games for Texas Instrument's line of calculators. If the TI-92 can do multivariable calculus, it should be able to play some really decent games. Doom anyone?
"The games were developed specifically for the presentation using Metrowerk's Codewarrior and were run from a development board using a Motorola DragonBall MX1 processor."
So, it took like half the presentation just powering up and glowing a weird shade of yellow, right?
--Chag
Sega's Swirl game is already released for PalmOS
Can the Palm (or other handheld PCs) become actual contenders in the portable gaming markets? I've noticed more and more people (John Romero, Tom Hall, SEGA) developing commercial games for the Palm or PocketPC. Good ones, I've heard. How big is the market for this sort of thing?
The only thing that concerns me is game control. Handhelds are not designed to be gaming-conducive. Heck, I hear some models won't let you press two buttons at once. But using the pen might make for some interesting games. I could easily see an RTS working like that. Or a Bezerk-like shooter where your character fires at the location your pen is pointing at, while you move him around with the directional pad. Lots of possibilities.
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My company was working off of software specs provided by a Japanese corporation (big one).
The title of one of these documents was the phrase "Sauce Code" (source code).
One of my coworkers pointed out that he thinks they were just using translation software and there was no proofreading or anything.
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aww, poor little karma whore can't stand a little competition from the big bad sega?
Both games crash my prism, white screen of death requiring a hardware reset.
I particularly like Triangle Magic, which has turned my $400 Handspring Prism into a magical white screen.
Alas, no triangles have appeared yet after waiting 5 minutes.
:-(
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...but everyone's having fun with the Engrish translation, so I thought I'd share this one for a Kyocera Video Phone. Scroll down to the first sample "Answering machines with images".
By the way, neither of these games seem to work on my Handspring Visor Prism. Just a blank white screen that sits there forever and requires a reset. Anyone else having the same problem?
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well, borkov successfully crashed my visor prism.
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Color only. I guess I'll have to wait until I get something to replace my old Palm VII.
I was rather disappointed when I saw the screenshots of '3D Demos'. Nobody is going to want to play Mario 64 for very long on one of these devices.
I played a port of Quake on an iPaq once. It was kind of cute, but it didn't take too long for the gimmick to wear off. What was once 3D, while I was excited about it, turned into a puddle of pixels. For a screen that small, they really need some sort of filtering (bi-linear?) to make effective use of the screen realestate. Otherwise, it's just awful.
I am surprised at Sega for going down that road. One only needs to look at the strengths of these systems to realize the true gaming potential of them:
- Stylus Interface
- Ability to easily turn on and off without resetting the game
- The demographics of who owns these devices
- The IR Port
- Clarity of text on the screen
If I were a game company looking to make a game for a Palm Pilot, and considering these observations I made about the system, then my first choice for a game to develop would be a turn-based strategy game. Think about it, you could have a really long term game going (like MONTHS) and play it anywhere. You could play it for 20 minutes in your bed before going to sleep. You could play it in the can (during work hours!). You could play it while waiting for your bus. I hated CivII on my PC because it took so damn long, but I think I'd love a port of this game on my PocketPC because the system really lends itself to it.
As long as the game isn't terribly reflex based, this would be a perfect fit for this system and it's audience. Puzzle games are also quite perfect for this system as well. I've spent many hours playing reversi.
3D doesn't fit this system at all. I suppose if anybody could make it work, it'd be Sega. Boy would I be surprised, though.
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Sega's decision to become a third-party dev instead of a console manufacturer just keeps working better and better, eh? Maybe we'll see a Sonic game on the Palm .. *drool* Or better yet a Genesis emulator. Except you'd need the m500 series for that (or one of the others with expansion card support) because the ROMs would be way too big to hold in RAM. Still cool, though
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Genesis?!?! Damnit, does noone rememeber GAMEGEAR
It had to be done :)
but what I want is PDA-type apps for my GameBoy Advance.
I once seriously considered developing such an app (using free tools available here), but I ran into two roadblocks:
A PDA needs a real-time clock that can wake the system from deep sleep to remind the user of an event. The GBA lacks both an internal clock and (to my knowledge) a reliable way for the cart to wake the system.
A PDA has a touch screen, useful for inputting text quickly through Graffiti or Fitaly systems. The GBA has an 8-way direction pad, four trigger buttons, and two tiny buttons next to the pad. How do we get text into the thing quickly?
Yes, there have been primitive organizers for Game Boy platforms (Workboy, InfoGenius, and Austin Powers), but I can't see how I would implement anything like the Palm environment. Anybody else have any ideas?
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Astroglide is the stuff of all stuff.
I don't own one of these calculators.
But this looks like a good selection
of games for your machine.
My spouse works for a Japanese company and helps clean up translations a lot (they are Japanese). I also know Japanese and help them when I can.
:D
OMG the 1st run of translations are really bad! Its not often as weird as the one you show, but I've gone through 20 page documents and added 'the' like a thousand times since it was left off every time for example.
now, thats what I want ...
Do not spread "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" over the internet, thank you.
So people roll their own. The hardware is completely hackable, and it's fun. You can really get a speed improvement by doin' in your way. Unfortunately, many of the Palms use different video hardware, and things break.
Are you using hardware pageflipping for your game on the IIIc? It's gonna crash the Handspring Prism, or worse! Basically you have to be very sure what you're doing is ok on a particular set of hardware.
First, it's good to make syscalls to ID what kind of machine it is. If it's supported by your custom code, go to it. If it's not, you can do a few sanity checks. For instance, if I wanted to write directly to screen memory, I'd use the built in routines to set a pattern of pixels, and then my custom routines to read the pixels. If it reads out the correct values, it's probably good to go.
In short, it translates to being a pain in the ass to do as-fast-as-possible graphics code across multiple Palm platforms. Far better to compromise and get some speed improvements that work on a broader base.
Or, if all else fails, just release free betas to the general public. >;-)
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And yes, it had at least one game I remember!! A simple lunar lander game, where the display alternately shows your height above the lunar surface and your velocity, and you have to make fuel burns at the appropriate time and of the correct duration in order to set the lander down gently on the moon's surface.
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I just tried Borkov and TriMagic on my Prism and both freeze at an all white screen. I'm aware that Handspring tweaks PalmOS for their hardware.
Can anyone confirm these issues with a Handspring?
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Rich expression and the high graphics of quality will give happy feeling to viewing persona! In special meeting, Sega therefore gives to the promises to make such reality true, responded to by using laughs and tremendous clap!
Download a demo of Race Fever. Note the excellent graphics (admittedly not 3d like quake - Pole Position style) and smooth gameplay on color palm devices.
The real clincher is the control input - instead of futzing around with the buttons like too many games, they turn the graffiti area into an analog controller - the vertical axis controls speed (top of the area is max acceleration, bottom is brake), the horizontal controls steering.
When more game developers start finding control and gameplay models more suitable to the medium, I think 3d or quasi-3d games will become more popular.
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All of the mod-downs I got were right in front of each other, as if somebody went down the list of my recent posts and modded me down. If you look at the context of the post above, and the following links, I think you'd agree that I wasn't even trying to be a troll.
Here's a link to each one:
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(The fifth is is the parent post to this response.)
Would you call me paranoid for saying that somebody was out to 'teach me a lesson'? Heh. If so, what'd I do wrong?
"Derp de derp."
I've only ever written one Palm app - Jumpman Zero (freeware if anyone wants to try it, source on request).
.mod-type music, but the best graphics and sound are still attainable by a hobbyist).
While big players could spell doom for the Palm game cottage industry, I don't think they will. On other platforms, Sega has an insurmountable advantage (compared to one-man outfits) - they have thousands of man hours. They have lots of hardware. They have dedicated artists and musicians. They have a budget. On Palm, they can't really leverage those strengths.
Music and graphics suck on the Palm, even if you're Sega. (And yes, I know some games have good graphics and some have even tried
Also, I don't think Sega's going to commit a lot of resources to a market where the sales are going to be slow (despite huge installed base), and where piracy is going to be utterly rampant (they can't really make a 30 meg game here - will they base a game on a springboard module?...).
So I think we'll see the Palm game market support a variety of players - and it won't be like the PC market where you there's a huge difference between commercial games and "hand made" ones.
At least for a while.
Let's not stir that bag of worms...
Some dipshit moderator went around and modded some of my posts down as a Troll. I have evidence of this, if you are interested. Check out this screen grab:
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The last 5 posts are of a moderator that went through and just modded me down. If you look at the times, you can see that all 5 moderation points happened within a few minutes, vs. every other moderation I've had rarely happens within a half hour of each other.
If you are a moderator reading this post now, please, before you mod me as off-topic, understand that I'm trying to re-claim the visibilty of the parent post. Since it has a score of -1 now, it will slip through most people's filters. I just don't feel that my post deserved to be modded down, specifically considering the point I was making.
If you need to mod this down as off-topic, I understand. But could you please look at the parent post and consider moderating it too?
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Could you at least come out and tell me what your problem is? If you've got a problem out with it.
"Derp de derp."
That sounds like really great news for the BeOS community. Sega won't be disappointed by the upcoming ShrinkedBe-Based-PalmOS. I think we'll be able to see, _too late_, real support for BeOS's wonderfull media capabilities.
:( It would have been wonderful to have Sega embrace that OS...
Just too sad it is too late for Be...
Palm is only one of the devices AmigaDE does not yet work on... hrmm correct me if im wrong... Well i know it doesnt work on PalmBeOS... Sega would be much better off coding for the AmigaDE or Java... Why would you target the specific OS or Hardware? It doesnt make much sence. There are going to be so many PDA's out there, infact there are already, and its just going to get worse!!! They all should be compatible, and doing say with games is only going to sell more.
Plus, those screen grabs look prety pathetic, what were they working with? The Amiga-Anywhere products look abslutly supurb on PDA's. That software is actualy going to sell, if Sega's games look anything like this, they're going to have a hardenough time making money out of this area as they did with the game consols in the end.
Plus, how do they plan to compete with Amiga Anyehere products, which, as its name suggest, will run just about anywhere?
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Assuming it's the same Bill Kendrick, he wrote the awesome game Gem Drop X, a Tetris-like game in which you line up similar objects to make them explode. It's one of those deceptively simple games that can be really adictive. Once you master the basic skills, you can get into a kind of zen state playing it for hours.
How about we work together with this interesting plan? Let's do a brainstorm discussion first. What is your email?
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