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unix.com Wins Domain Dispute

kyler writes "Apparently unix.com was able to afford the lawyers to fight off X/open from stealing their domain name in the wipo domain dispute. If the domain unix.com doesn't violate the UNIX trademark, what gives them the right to take unix.net away from me and unix.org away from Michael? This is ludacris" We had the story about unix.org losing their battle so this is a Good Thing.

187 comments

  1. What's `ludacris' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    Is this spelling of ludicrous. :)

    1. Re:What's `ludacris' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Just another example of the Slashdot editors not ..well.. editing. But that's okay, they can just silence you by modding you down.

    2. Re:What's `ludacris' by SlySpy007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Boy...and here I used to read this site since I thought it was a center for intelligent discussion of all things scientific. Now I know it's just a bunch of 15 year olds who think that the name of a no-talent pop artist is the correct spelling of a word. Thanks for re-affirming my belief in the intelligence of humanity!

    3. Re:What's `ludacris' by jargonCCNA · · Score: 1

      -laughs-

      Hey cool, someone else with my line of thinking; I never thought that was possible! You, sir, just earned a Friend bonus.

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      Matthew G P Coe
      http://mgpcoe.blogspot.com/
    4. Re:What's `ludacris' by kyronie · · Score: 1

      when people make such a big deal out of slang spelling it makes me laugh... ludacris is one odd mtv-type individual... so it works either way. sorry if you all are behind on the mtv times we're in... If you're that anal, then i feel sorry for you.

    5. Re:What's `ludacris' by jargonCCNA · · Score: 1

      I have no problems with Ludacris as a singer. I haven't heard much of his material, but if it any ways resembles what D'Angelo can do, than he can't be that bad.
      What bothers me is when people use slang spellings when they don't know any better. Even usage of "u" for "you" and "ppl" for "people" bothers me. It made sense back in BBSing days when you really only had about a 60-character limit for message-board doors, but when there isn't a limit, it just looks juvenile. Like SlySpy007, I come to /. for intelligent discussion about scientific things by people who are relatively mature.

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      Matthew G P Coe
      http://mgpcoe.blogspot.com/
  2. is this the END end? by packeteer · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ... or is this just another victory to be appealed away?... anyone know how well this can stand up in the future?

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    unzip; strip; touch; finger; mount; fsck; more; yes; unmount; sleep
  3. Here's a reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    This is ludacris

    Maybe it was because their lawyers could spell?

  4. ludacris? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Funny
    ludacris? you're speeling an gramar is ludacris

    (psst; "ludicrous.")

    1. Re:ludacris? by cut-N-paste+Troll · · Score: -1, Troll

      Incorrect use of the semi-colon you ignorant fagort.

    2. Re:ludacris? by ZaMoose · · Score: 2, Redundant

      No no, this is ludacris.

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      I wish I had a kryptonite cross, because then you could keep Dracula and Superman away.
    3. Re:Ludacris? by sc00p18 · · Score: 1

      No, no, no, you've got it all wrong. Say it like Tyson:

      "Ludacrisp."

    4. Re:Ludacris? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats not mike tyson, thats your goddamn president

  5. What about me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There goes my chances of stealing windows.com for my windows washing business.

    1. Re:What about me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      There goes my chances of stealing windows.com for my windows washing business I want to regain ownership to goatse.cx and continue selling goat semen to people on the internet. What they are doing with that domain is absolutely disguisting.

  6. He wrote "ludacris" - bwahaha ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    The editors posted it without noticing -
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  7. The Breaking of the Fellowship by roadkill999 · · Score: -1

    Chapter 10
    The Breaking of the Fellowship
    Aragorn led them to the right arm of the River. Here upon its western side under the shadow of Tol Brandir a green lawn ran down to the water from the feet of Amon Hen. Behind it rose the first gentle slopes of the hill clad with trees, and trees marched away westward along the curving shores of the lake. A little spring fell tumbling down and fed the grass.
    'Here we will rest tonight,' said Aragorn. `This is the lawn of Parth Galen: a fair place in the summer days of old. Let us hope that no evil has yet come here.'
    They drew up their boats on the green banks, and beside them they made their camp. They set a watch, but had no sight nor sound of their enemies. If Gollum had contrived to follow them, he remained unseen and unheard. Nonetheless as the night wore on Aragorn grew uneasy, tossing often in his sleep and waking. In the small hours he got up and came to Frodo, whose turn it was to watch.
    `Why are you waking? ' asked Frodo. `It is not your watch.'
    `I do not know,' answered Aragorn; `but a shadow and a threat has been growing in my sleep. It would be well to draw your sword.'
    `Why? ' said Frodo. `Are enemies at hand? '
    `Let us see what Sting may show,' answered Aragorn.
    Frodo then drew the elf-blade from its sheath. To his dismay the edges gleamed dimly in the night. `Orcs! ' he said. `Not very near, and yet too near, it seems.'
    `I feared as much,' said Aragorn. `But maybe they are not on this side of the River. The light of Sting is faint, and it may point to no more than spies of Mordor roaming on the slopes of Amon Lhaw. I have never heard before of Orcs upon Amon Hen. Yet who knows what may happen in these evil days, now that Minas Tirith no longer holds secure the passages of Anduin. We must go warily tomorrow.'
    The day came like fire and smoke. Low in the East there were black bars of cloud like the fumes of a great burning. The rising sun lit them from beneath with flames of murky red; but soon it climbed above them into a clear sky. The summit of Tol Brandir was tipped with gold. Frodo looked out eastward and gazed at the tall island. Its sides sprang sheer out of the running water. High up above the tall cliffs were steep slopes upon which trees climbed, mounting one head above another; and above them again were grey faces of inaccessible rock, crowned by a great spire of stone. Many birds were circling about it, but no sign of other living things could be seen.
    When they had eaten, Aragorn called the Company together. `The day has come at last,' he said: 'the day of choice which we have long delayed. What shall now become of our Company that has travelled so far in fellowship? Shall we turn west with Boromir and go to the wars of Gondor; or turn east to the Fear and Shadow; or shall we break our fellowship and go this way and that as each may choose? Whatever we do must be done soon. We cannot long halt here. The enemy is on the eastern shore, we know; but I fear that the Orcs may already be on this side of the water.'
    There was a long silence in which no one spoke or moved.
    'Well, Frodo,' said Aragorn at last. `I fear that the burden is laid upon you. You are the Bearer appointed by the Council. Your own way you alone can choose. In this matter I cannot advise you. I am not Gandalf, and though I have tried to bear his part, I do not know what design or hope he had for this hour, if indeed he had any. Most likely it seems that if he were here now the choice would still wait on you. Such is your fate.'
    Frodo did not answer at once. Then he spoke slowly. `I know that haste is needed, yet I cannot choose. The burden is heavy. Give me an hour longer, and I will speak. Let me be alone! '
    Aragorn looked at him with kindly pity. `Very well, Frodo son of Drogo,' he said. `You shall have an hour, and you shall be alone. We will stay here for a while. But do not stray far or out of call.'
    Frodo sat for a moment with his head bowed. Sam, who had been watching his master with great concern, shook his head and muttered: 'Plain as a pikestaff it is, but it's no good Sam Gamgee putting in his spoke just now.'
    Presently Frodo got up and walked away; and Sam saw that while the others restrained themselves and did not stare at him, the eyes of Boromir followed Frodo intently, until he passed out of sight in the trees at the foot of Amon Hen.
    Wandering aimlessly at first in the wood, Frodo found that his feet were leading him up towards the slopes of the hill. He came to a path, the dwindling ruins of a road of long ago. In steep places stairs of stone had been hewn, but now they were cracked and worn, and split by the roots of trees. For some while he climbed, not caring which way he went, until he came to a grassy place. Rowan-trees grew about it, and in the midst was a wide flat stone. The little upland lawn was open upon the East and was filled now with the early sunlight. Frodo halted and looked out over the River, far below him, to Tol Brandir and the birds wheeling in the great gulf of air between him and the untrodden isle. The voice of Rauros was a mighty roaring mingled with a deep throbbing boom.
    He sat down upon the stone and cupped his chin in his hands, staring eastwards but seeing little with his eyes. All that had happened since Bilbo left the Shire was passing through his mind, and he recalled and pondered everything that he could remember of Gandalf's words. Time went on, and still he was no nearer to a choice.
    Suddenly he awoke from his thoughts: a strange feeling came to him that something was behind him, that unfriendly eyes were upon him. He sprang up and turned; but all that he saw to his surprise was Boromir, and his face was smiling and kind.
    `I was afraid for you, Frodo,' he said, coming forward. `If Aragorn is right and Orcs are near, then none of us should wander alone, and you least of all: so much depends on you. And my heart too is heavy. May I stay now and talk for a while, since I have found you? It would comfort me. Where there are so many, all speech becomes a debate without end. But two together may perhaps find wisdom.'
    `You are kind,' answered Frodo. 'But I do not think that any speech will help me. For I know what I should do, but I am afraid of doing it, Boromir: afraid.'
    Boromir stood silent. Rauros roared endlessly on. The wind murmured in the branches of the trees. Frodo shivered.
    Suddenly Boromir came and sat beside him. `Are you sure that you do not suffer needlessly? ' he said. `I wish to help you. You need counsel in your hard choice. Will you not take mine? '
    'I think I know already what counsel you would give, Boromir,' said Frodo. 'And it would seem like wisdom but for the warning of my heart.'
    `Warning? Warning against what? ' said Boromir sharply.
    'Against delay. Against the way that seems easier. Against refusal of the burden that is laid on me. Against-well, if it must be said, against trust in the strength and truth of Men.'
    `Yet that strength has long protected you far away in your little country, though you knew it not.'
    'I do not doubt the valour of your people. But the world is changing. The walls of Minas Tirith may be strong, but they are not strong enough. If they fail, what then? '
    'We shall fall in battle valiantly. Yet there is still hope that they will not fail.'
    'No hope while the Ring lasts,' said Frodo.
    'Ah! The Ring! ' said Boromir, his eyes lighting. 'The Ring! Is it not a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt for so small a thing? So small a thing! And I have seen it only for an instant in the House of Elrond. Could I not have a sight of it again? '
    Frodo looked up. His heart went suddenly cold. He caught the strange gleam in Boromir's eyes, yet his face was still kind and friendly. 'It is best that it should lie hidden,' he answered.
    'As you wish. I care not,' said Boromir. 'Yet may I not even speak of it? For you seem ever to think only of its power in the hands of the Enemy: of its evil uses not of its good. The world is changing, you say. Minas Tirith will fall, if the Ring lasts. But why? Certainly, if the Ring were with the Enemy. But why, if it were with us? '
    'Were you not at the Council? ' answered Frodo. `Because we cannot use it, and what is done with it turns to evil.'
    Boromir got up and walked about impatiently. 'So you go on,' he cried. 'Gandalf, Elrond - all these folk have taught you to say so. For themselves they may be right. These elves and half-elves and wizards, they would come to grief perhaps. Yet often I doubt if they are wise and not merely timid. But each to his own kind. True-hearted Men, they will not be corrupted. We of Minas Tirith have been staunch through long years of trial. We do not desire the power of wizard-lords, only strength to defend ourselves, strength in a just cause. And behold! in our need chance brings to light the Ring of Power. It is a gift, I say; a gift to the foes of Mordor. It is mad not to use it, to use the power of the Enemy against him. The fearless, the ruthless, these alone will achieve victory. What could not a warrior do in this hour, a great leader? What could not Aragorn do? Or if he refuses, why not Boromir? The Ring would give me power of Command. How I would drive the hosts of Mordor, and all men would flock to my banner!'
    Boromir strode up and down, speaking ever more loudly: Almost he seemed to have forgotten Frodo, while his talk dwelt on walls and weapons, and the mustering of men; and he drew plans for great alliances and glorious victories to be; and he cast down Mordor, and became himself a mighty king, benevolent and wise. Suddenly he stopped and waved his arms.
    'And they tell us to throw it away!' he cried. `I do not say destroy it. That might be well, if reason could show any hope of doing so. It does not. The only plan that is proposed to us is that a halfling should walk blindly into Mordor and offer the Enemy every chance of recapturing it for himself. Folly!
    'Surely you see it, my friend?' he said, turning now suddenly to Frodo again. `You say that you are afraid. If it is so, the boldest should pardon you. But is it not really your good sense that revolts?'
    'No, I am afraid,' said Frodo. 'Simply afraid. But I am glad to have heard you speak so fully. My mind is clearer now.'
    `Then you will come to Minas Tirith? ' cried Boromir. His eyes were shining and his face eager.
    `You misunderstand me,' said Frodo.
    'But you will come, at least for a while? ' Boromir persisted. 'My city is not far now; and it is little further from there to Mordor than from here. We have been long in the wilderness, and you need news of what the Enemy is doing before you make a move. Come with me, Frodo,' he said. `You need rest before your venture. if go you must.' He laid his hand on the hobbit's shoulder in friendly fashion; but Frodo felt the hand trembling with suppressed excitement. He stepped quickly away, and eyed with alarm the tall Man, nearly twice his height and many times his match in strength.
    `Why are you so unfriendly? ' said Boromir. `I am a true man, neither thief nor tracker. I need your Ring: that you know now; but I give you my word that I do not desire to keep it. Will you not at least let me make trial of my plan? Lend me the Ring! '
    `No! no! ' cried Frodo. 'The Council laid it upon me to bear it.'
    `It is by our own folly that the Enemy will defeat us,' cried Boromir. `How it angers me! Fool! Obstinate fool! Running wilfully to death and ruining our cause. If any mortals have claim to the Ring, it is the men of Numenor, and not Halflings. It is not yours save by unhappy chance. It might have been mine. It should be mine. Give it to me! '
    Frodo did not answer, but moved away till the great flat stone stood between them. `Come, come, my friend! ' said Boromir in a softer voice. 'Why not get rid of it? Why not be free of your doubt and fear? You can lay the blame on me, if you will. You can say that I was too strong and took it by force. For I am too strong for you, halfling,' he cried; and suddenly he sprang over the stone and leaped at Frodo. His fair and pleasant face was hideously changed; a raging fire was in his eyes.
    Frodo dodged aside and again put the stone between them. There was only one thing he could do: trembling he pulled out the Ring upon its chain and quickly slipped it on his finger, even as Boromir sprang at him again. The Man gasped, stared for a moment amazed, and then ran wildly about, seeking here and there among the rocks and trees.
    'Miserable trickster!' he shouted. `Let me get my hands on you! Now I see your mind. You will take the Ring to Sauron and sell us all. You have only waited your chance to leave us in the lurch. Curse you and all halflings to death and darkness! ' Then, catching his foot on a stone, he fell sprawling and lay upon his face. For a while he was as still as if his own curse had struck him down; then suddenly he wept.
    He rose and passed his hand over his eyes, dashing away the tears. 'What have I said? ' he cried. `What have I done? Frodo, Frodo! ' he called. 'Come back! A madness took me, but it has passed. Come back! '
    There was no answer. Frodo did not even hear his cries. He was already far away, leaping blindly up the path to the hill-top. Terror and grief shook him, seeing in his thought the mad fierce face of Boromir, and his burning eyes.
    Soon he came out alone on the summit of Amon Hen, and halted, gasping for breath. He saw as through a mist a wide flat circle, paved with mighty flags, and surrounded with a crumbling battlement; and in the middle, set upon four carven pillars, was a high seat, reached by a stair of many steps. Up he went and sat upon the ancient chair, feeling like a lost child that had clambered upon the throne of mountain-kings.
    At first he could see little. He seemed to be in a world of mist in which there were only shadows: the Ring was upon him. Then here and there the mist gave way and he saw many visions: small and clear as if they were under his eyes upon a table, and yet remote. There was no sound, only bright living images. The world seemed to have shrunk and fallen silent. He was sitting upon the Seat of Seeing, on Amon Hen, the Hill of the Eye of the Men of Numenor. Eastward he looked into wide uncharted lands, nameless plains, and forests unexplored. Northward he looked, and the Great River lay like a ribbon beneath him, and the Misty Mountains stood small and hard as broken teeth. Westward he looked and saw the broad pastures of Rohan; and Orthanc, the pinnacle of Isengard, like a black spike. Southward he looked, and below his very feet the Great River curled like a toppling wave and plunged over the falls of Rauros into a foaming pit; a glimmering rainbow played upon the fume. And Ethir Anduin he saw, the mighty delta of the River, and myriads of sea-birds whirling like a white dust in the sun, and beneath them a green and silver sea, rippling in endless lines.
    But everywhere he looked he saw the signs of war. The Misty Mountains were crawling like anthills: orcs were issuing out of a thousand holes. Under the boughs of Mirkwood there was deadly strife of Elves and Men and fell beasts. The land of the Beornings was aflame; a cloud was over Moria; smoke rose on the borders of Lorien.
    Horsemen were galloping on the grass of Rohan; wolves poured from Isengard. From the havens of Harad ships of war put out to sea; and out of the East Men were moving endlessly: swordsmen, spearmen, bowmen upon horses, chariots of chieftains and laden wains. All the power of the Dark Lord was in motion. Then turning south again he beheld Minas Tirith. Far away it seemed. and beautiful: white-walled, many-towered, proud and fair upon its mountain-seat; its battlements glittered with steel, and its turrets were bright with many banners. Hope leaped in his heart. But against Minas Tirith was set another fortress, greater and more strong. Thither, eastward, unwilling his eye was drawn. It passed the ruined bridges of Osgiliath, the grinning gates of Minas Morgul. and the haunted Mountains, and it looked upon Gorgoroth, the valley of terror in the Land of Mordor. Darkness lay there under the Sun. Fire glowed amid the smoke. Mount Doom was burning, and a great reek rising. Then at last his gaze was held: wall upon wall, battlement upon battlement, black, immeasurably strong, mountain of iron, gate of steel, tower of adamant, he saw it: Barad-dur, Fortress of Sauron. All hope left him.
    And suddenly he felt the Eye. There was an eye in the Dark Tower that did not sleep. He knew that it had become aware of his gaze. A fierce eager will was there. It leaped towards him; almost like a finger he felt it, searching for him. Very soon it would nail him down, know just exactly where he was. Amon Lhaw it touched. It glanced upon Tol Brandir he threw himself from the seat, crouching, covering his head with his grey hood.
    He heard himself crying out: Never, never! Or was it: Verily I come, I come to you? He could not tell. Then as a flash from some other point of power there came to his mind another thought: Take it off! Take it off! Fool, take it off! Take off the Ring!
    The two powers strove in him. For a moment, perfectly balanced between their piercing points, he writhed, tormented. Suddenly he was aware of himself again. Frodo, neither the Voice nor the Eye: free to choose, and with one remaining instant in which to do so. He took the Ring off his finger. He was kneeling in clear sunlight before the high seat. A black shadow seemed to pass like an arm above him; it missed Amon Hen and groped out west, and faded. Then all the sky was clean and blue and birds sang in every tree.
    Frodo rose to his feet. A great weariness was on him, but his will was firm and his heart lighter. He spoke aloud to himself. `I will do now what I must,' he said. 'This at least is plain: the evil of the Ring is already at work even in the Company, and the Ring must leave them before it does more harm. I will go alone. Some I cannot trust, and those I can trust are too dear to me: poor old Sam, and Merry and Pippin. Strider, too: his heart yearns for Minas Tirith, and he will be needed there, now Boromir has fallen into evil. I will go alone. At once.'
    He went quickly down the path and came back to the lawn where Boromir had found him. Then he halted, listening. He thought he could hear cries and calls from the woods near the shore below.
    'They'll be hunting for me,' he said. `I wonder how long I have been away. Hours, I should think.' He hesitated. 'What can I do? ' he muttered. 'I must go now or I shall never go. I shan't get a chance again. I hate leaving them, and like this without any explanation. But surely they will understand. Sam will. And what else can I do?'
    Slowly he drew out the Ring and put it on once more. He vanished and passed down the hill, less than a rustle of the wind.
    The others remained long by the river-side. For some time they had been silent, moving restlessly about; but now they were sitting in a circle, and they were talking. Every now and again they made efforts to speak of other things, of their long road and many adventures; they questioned Aragorn concerning the realm of Gondor and its ancient history, and the remnants of its great works that could still be seen in this strange border-land of the Emyn Muil: the stone kings and the seats of Lhaw and Hen, and the great Stair beside the falls of Rauros. But always their thoughts and words strayed back to Frodo and the Ring. What would Frodo choose to do? Why was he hesitating?
    `He is debating which course is the most desperate, I think,' said Aragorn. 'And well he may. It is now more hopeless than ever for the Company to go east, since we have been tracked by Gollum, and must fear that the secret of our journey is already betrayed. But Minas Tirith is no nearer to the Fire and the destruction of the Burden.
    `We may remain there for a while and make a brave stand; but the Lord Denethor and all his men cannot hope to do what even Elrond said was beyond his power: either to keep the Burden secret. or to hold off the full might of the Enemy when he comes to take it. Which way would any of us choose in Frodo's place? I do not know. Now indeed we miss Gandalf most.'
    'Grievous is our loss,' said Legolas. 'Yet we must needs make up our minds without his aid. Why cannot we decide, and so help Frodo? Let us call him back and then vote! I should vote for Minas Tirith.'
    `And so should I,' said Gimli. 'We, of course, were only sent to help the Bearer along the road, to go no further than we wished; and none of us is under any oath or command to seek Mount Doom. Hard was my parting from Lothlorien. Yet I have come so far, and I say this: now we have reached the last choice, it is clear to me that I cannot leave Frodo. I would choose Minas Tirith, but if he does not, then I follow him.'
    `And I too will go with him,' said Legolas. `It would be faithless now to say farewell.'
    'It would indeed be a betrayal, if we all left him,' said Aragorn. 'But if he goes east, then all need not go with him; nor do I think that all should. That venture is desperate: as much so for eight as for three or two, or one alone. If you would let me choose, then I should appoint three companions: Sam, who could not bear it otherwise; and Gimli; and myself. Boromir will return to his own city, where his father and his people need him; and with him the others should go, or at least Meriadoc and Peregrin, if Legolas is not willing to leave us.'
    `That won't do at all! ' cried Merry. 'We can't leave Frodo! Pippin and I always intended to go wherever he went, and we still do. But we did not realize what that would mean. It seemed different so far away, in the Shire or in Rivendell. It would be mad and cruel to let Frodo go to Mordor. Why can't we stop him?'
    'We must stop him,' said Pippin. `And that is what he is worrying about, I am sure. He knows we shan't agree to his going east. And he doesn't like to ask anyone to go with him, poor old fellow. Imagine it: going off to Mordor alone! ' Pippin shuddered. 'But the dear silly old hobbit, he ought to know that he hasn't got to ask. He ought to know that if we can't stop him, we shan't leave him.'
    'Begging your pardon,' said Sam. 'I don't think you understand my master at all. He isn't hesitating about which way to go. Of course not! What's the good of Minas Tirith anyway? To him, I mean, begging your pardon, Master Boromir,' he added, and turned. It was then that they discovered that Boromir, who at first had been sitting silent on the outside of the circle, was no longer there.
    `Now where's he got to? ' cried Sam, looking worried. 'He's been a bit queer lately, to my mind. But anyway he's not in this business. He's off to his home, as he always said; and no blame to him. But Mr. Frodo, he knows he's got to find the Cracks of Doom, if he can. But he's afraid. Now it's come to the point, he's just plain terrified. That's what his trouble is. Of course he's had a bit of schooling, so to speak-we all have-since we left home, or he'd be so terrified he'd just fling the Ring in the River and bolt. But he's still too frightened to start. And he isn't worrying about us either: whether we'll go along with him or no. He knows we mean to. That's another thing that's bothering him. If he screws himself up to go, he'll want to go alone. Mark my words! We're going to have trouble when he comes back. For he'll screw himself up all right, as sure as his name's Baggins.'
    'I believe you speak more wisely than any of us, Sam,' said Aragorn. `And what shall we do, if you prove right? '
    'Stop him! Don't let him go! ' cried Pippin.
    'I wonder? ' said Aragorn. `He is the Bearer, and the fate of the Burden is on him. I do not think that it is our part to drive him one way or the other. Nor do I think that we should succeed, if we tried. There are other powers at work far stronger.'
    `Well, I wish Frodo would "screw himself up" and come back. and let us get it over,' said Pippin. `This waiting is horrible! Surely the time is up? '
    `Yes,' said Aragorn. 'The hour is long passed. The morning is wearing away. We must call for him.'
    At that moment Boromir reappeared. He came out from the trees and walked towards them without speaking. His face looked grim and sad. He paused as if counting those that were present, and then sat down aloof, with his eyes on the ground.
    `Where have you been, Boromir? ' asked Aragorn. `Have you seen Frodo? '
    Boromir hesitated for a second. `Yes, and no,' he answered slowly. `Yes: I found him some way up the hill, and I spoke to him. I urged him to come to Minas Tirith and not to go east. I grew angry and he left me. He vanished. I have never seen such a thing happen before. though I have heard of it in tales. He must have put the Ring on. I could not find him again. I thought he would return to you.'
    'Is that all that you have to say? ' said Aragorn, looking hard and not too kindly at Boromir.
    `Yes,' he answered. `I will say no more yet.'
    `This is bad!' cried Sam, jumping up. `I don't know what this Man has been up to. Why should Mr. Frodo put the thing on? He didn't ought to have; and if he has, goodness knows what may have happened!'
    'But he wouldn't keep it on`' said Merry. `Not when he had escaped the unwelcome visitor, like Bilbo used to.'
    `But where did he go? Where is he? ' cried Pippin. 'He's been away ages now.'
    `How long is it since you saw Frodo last, Boromir? ' asked Aragorn.
    `Half an hour, maybe,' he answered. `Or it might be an hour. I have wandered for some time since. I do not know! I do not know! ' He put his head in his hands, and sat as if bowed with grief.
    `An hour since he vanished! ' shouted Sam. `We must try and find him at once. Come on! '
    `Wait a moment! ' cried Aragorn. `We must divide up into pairs, and arrange-here, hold on! Wait! '
    It was no good. They took no notice of him. Sam had dashed off first. Merry and Pippin had followed, and were already disappearing westward into the trees by the shore, shouting: Frodo! Frodo! in their clear, high hobbit-voices. Legolas and Gimli were running. A sudden panic or madness seemed to have fallen on the Company.
    `We shall all be scattered and lost,' groaned Aragorn. `Boromir! I do not know what part you have played in this mischief, but help now! Go after those two young hobbits, and guard them at the least, even if you cannot find Frodo. Come back to this spot, if you find him, or any traces of him. I shall return soon.'
    Aragorn sprang swiftly away and went in pursuit of Sam. Just as he reached the little lawn among the rowans he overtook him, toiling uphill, panting and calling, Frodo!
    `Come with me, Sam! ' he said. `None of us should be alone. There is mischief about. I feel it. I am going to the top, to the Seat of Amon Hen, to see what may be seen. And look! It is as my heart guessed, Frodo went this way. Follow me, and keep your eyes open! ' He sped up the path.
    Sam did his best, but he could not keep up with Strider the Ranger, and soon fell behind. He had not gone far before Aragorn was out of sight ahead. Sam stopped and puffed. Suddenly he clapped his hand to his head.
    `Whoa, Sam Gamgee! ' he said aloud. `Your legs are too short, so use your head! Let me see now! Boromir isn't lying, that's not his way; but he hasn't told us everything. Something scared Mr. Frodo badly. He screwed himself up to the point, sudden. He made up his mind at last to go. Where to? Off East. Not without Sam? Yes, without even his Sam. That's hard, cruel hard.'
    Sam passed his hand over his eyes, brushing away the tears. 'Steady, Gamgee! ' he said. `Think, if you can! He can't fly across rivers, and he can't jump waterfalls. He's got no gear. So he's got to get back to the boats. Back to the boats! Back to the boats, Sam, like lightning! '
    Sam turned and bolted back down the path. He fell and cut his knees. Up he got and ran on. He came to the edge of the lawn of Parth Galen by the shore, where the boats were drawn up out of the water. No one was there. There seemed to be cries in the woods behind, but he did not heed them. He stood gazing for a moment. stock-still, gaping. A boat was sliding down the bank all by itself. With a shout Sam raced across the grass. The boat slipped into the water.
    `Coming, Mr. Frodo! Coming! ' called Sam, and flung himself from the bank, clutching at the departing boat. He missed it by a yard. With a cry and a splash he fell face downward into deep swift water. Gurgling he went under, and the River closed over his curly head.
    An exclamation of dismay came from the empty boat. A paddle swirled and the boat put about. Frodo was just in time to grasp Sam by the hair as he came up, bubbling and struggling. Fear was staring in his round brown eyes.
    `Up you come, Sam my lad! ' said Frodo. `Now take my hand! '
    `Save me, Mr. Frodo! ' gasped Sam. `I'm drownded. I can't see your hand.'
    `Here it is. Don't pinch, lad! I won't let you go. Tread water and don't flounder, or you'll upset the boat. There now, get hold of the side, and let me use the paddle! '
    With a few strokes Frodo brought the boat back to the bank. and Sam was able to scramble out, wet as a water-rat. Frodo took off the Ring and stepped ashore again.
    `Of all the confounded nuisances you are the worst, Sam! ' he said.
    'Oh, Mr. Frodo, that's hard! ' said Sam shivering. `That's hard, trying to go without me and all. If I hadn't a guessed right, where would you be now? '
    `Safely on my way.'
    `Safely! ' said Sam. `All alone and without me to help you? I couldn't have a borne it, it'd have been the death of me.'
    'It would be the death of you to come with me, Sam,' said Frodo and I could not have borne that.'
    `Not as certain as being left behind,' said Sam.
    `But I am going to Mordor.'
    `I know that well enough, Mr. Frodo. Of course you are. And I'm coming with you.'
    `Now, Sam,' said Frodo, `don't hinder me! The others will be coming back at any minute. If they catch me here. I shall have to argue and explain, and I shall never have the heart or the chance to get off. But I must go at once. It's the only way.'
    `Of course it is,' answered Sam. 'But not alone. I'm coming too, or neither of us isn't going. I'll knock holes in all the boats first.'
    Frodo actually laughed. A sudden warmth and gladness touched his heart. `Leave one! 'he said. `We'll need it. But you can't come like this without your gear or food or anything.'
    'Just hold on a moment, and I'll get my stuff!' cried Sam eagerly. 'It's all ready. I thought we should be off today.' He rushed to the camping place, fished out his pack from the pile where Frodo had laid it when he emptied the boat of his companions' goods grabbed a spare blanket, and some extra packages of food, and ran back.
    `So all my plan is spoilt! ' said Frodo. `It is no good trying to escape you. But I'm glad, Sam. I cannot tell you how glad. Come along! It is plain that we were meant to go together. We will go, and may the others find a safe road! Strider will look after them. I don't suppose we shall see them again.'
    `Yet we may, Mr Frodo. We may,' said Sam.
    So Frodo and Sam set off on the last stage of the Quest together. Frodo paddled away from the shore, and the River bore them swiftly away. down the western arm, and past the frowning cliffs of Tol Brandir. The roar of the great falls drew nearer. Even with such help as Sam could give, it was hard work to pass across the current at the southward end of the island and drive the boat eastward towards the far shore.
    At length they came to land again upon the southern slopes of Amon Lhaw. There they found a shelving shore, and they drew the boat out, high above the water, and hid it as well as they could behind a great boulder. Then shouldering their burdens, they set off, seeking a path that would bring them over the grey hills of the Emyn Muil, and down into the Land of Shadow.
    Here ends the first part of the history of the War of the Ring.
    The second part is called THE TWO TOWERS, since the events recounted in it are dominated by ORTHANC, the citadel of Saruman, and the fortress of MINAS MORGUL that guards the secret entrance to Mordor; it tells of the deeds and perils of all the members of the now sundered fellowship, until the coming of the Great Darkness.
    The third part tells of the last defence against the Shadow, and the end of the mission of the Ring-bearer in THE RETURN OF THE KING.

    1. Re:The Breaking of the Fellowship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a ludacris violayshun of copyrite laws

  8. But wait... by negativekarmanow+tm · · Score: -1

    isn't unix dying?

    --
    No security through obscurity: my password is goatse. Stop me before I troll again.
    1. Re:But wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      That is ludacris!

      Uinx wuold neva die!

    2. Re:But wait... by CmderTaco · · Score: -1

      No security through obscurity: my password is goatse. Stop me before I troll again.

      Doesn't work.

      --
      - Marco
    3. Re:But wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not any more, obviously

  9. They have this backwards by SpatchMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although many cases of domain disputes are clear cut, such as the one between etoy and etoys, where one should be allowed to keep their domain, this is quite different.

    You'll notice that the unix.com domain was registered by these people in May 2000. Obviously they knew the word "Unix" has been a trademark of the X/Open group for many years.

    For them to register unix.com is incredibly misleading to anyone who may expect an offical Unix company website there.

    The administrators of unix.org and unix.net have more rights to their domain names as they are not flying under the banner of a "Unix company".

    So, it's another stupid domain resolution. They just seem to have it completely backwards!

    1. Re:They have this backwards by Organic_Info · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well as per usual we have a grey situation rather than the easy black and white sort.

      I agree with your point why register a domain that clearly already has a trademark/copyright holder. What did they expect to happen?

      However WHY had the X/Open group not already registered the domain themselves? Its not like Internet domain names are recent thing, they should have had this registered a long time ago.

      I don't know enough about the situation to make statements, but from initial appearances both parties seem to be at fault.

      --
      "Things that you own end up owning you" - Tyler Durden (via Diogenes of Sinope).
    2. Re:They have this backwards by SpatchMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the problem there is that the Unix trademark has been passed around quite a lot through different organisations with differing opinions on how the use of the trademark should be enforced.

      The point is, though, that it has been a trademark for years -- even if X/Open only acquired it relatively recently.

      Also, probably even more importantly is the usage of such a domain name for email communications. While a website such as www.unix.com carries some weight as an official Unix source, email sourced from that domain carries an even higher regard.

      It's easy to forget that a domain name can represent the whole public image on the Internet, not just the website.

    3. Re:They have this backwards by aug24 · · Score: 5, Informative
      If you read it properly, you'll note that the respondant company did not register the name in 2000.

      The company bought the domain name in 2000 from the previous owner company. The actual human owner (of both companies and hence the domain) since 1993 has been Mr Tim Bass, who has continuously run a free speech Unix discussion site there.

      Plenty of evidence that this is not a squat.

      Justin.

      --
      You're only jealous cos the little penguins are talking to me.
    4. Re:They have this backwards by SpatchMonkey · · Score: 1

      If you look at the US Trademarks database, you'll notice that Unix was first registered by AT&T back in 1986, predating the 1993 registration of "unix.com" by almost a decade.

    5. Re:They have this backwards by Hittite+Creosote · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I didn't see anyone claiming it was a squat, merely that it was illogical. www.unix.com would (to most people anyway) indicate a company, and where one company has the trademark to unix, you'd expect to find them there. On the other hand, unix.org or unix.net would indicate non-commercial companies discussing unix. So to have the decisions go in the opposite direction indicates that the whole thing isn't decided by logic, it's not decided by who gets there first, it's decided by hordes of rampaging lawyers.

    6. Re:They have this backwards by gilroy · · Score: 2
      Blockquoth the poster:
      www.unix.com would (to most people anyway) indicate a company, and where one company has the trademark to unix, you'd expect to find them there. On the other hand, unix.org or unix.net would indicate non- commercial companies discussing unix.
      Is this really true anymore? I think since around 1996 and the dotcom explosion, people associate ".com" as a moniker meaning "on that Internet thing". How many really consider the root in "commercial"?
    7. Re:They have this backwards by aug24 · · Score: 1
      I didn't see anyone claiming it either. Plenty of implication though ;-)

      Actually, I didn't see anyone claiming that on Slashdot. It was the section of ICANN's rules under which the claim was made though.

      Justin.

      --
      You're only jealous cos the little penguins are talking to me.
    8. Re:They have this backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      Oh, how clever! I like the way you said "blockquoth the poster:" because that's really clever! Oh, except that it actually means that the original poster would have had to blockquote it.

      Think about it. "quoth the poster" would be fine, because that is what the poster had, in fact, quoth. "blockquoth the poster" is not fine because it was not, in fact, blockquoth by the poster.

      Do you see how it works? Do you? It's not that hard - I trust you will not do this again.

    9. Re:They have this backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      "the poster" is the one that "blockquoted" not the person who posted the text that is being "blockquoted" so he is correct, and you are an idiot

    10. Re:They have this backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      No. "Quoth I" refers to something that the author had said in the past. "Quoth the poster" refers to something that somebody else (third person) said in the past. Take the famous example: "Quoth the raven, nevermore!" Edgar Allan Poe is not writing that he is saying "nevermore!" but that the raven had said "nevermore" Quoth, you see, means said. Got it so far?

      Now "blockquoth" clearly means, by extrapolation, said in a blockquote. "blockquoth the poster" means that the poster (third person) said (in the past tense) whatever followed.

      A brief look will show that the original poster (he of third person fame) had put nothing in a blockquote.

      This means that if you are genuinely a different person, you are also an idiot, and that if you are the same poster pretending to be someone else then you, sir, are an extreme idiot.

    11. Re:They have this backwards by rebbie · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Exactly -- and IMNSHO once Network Slowlutions started suggesting that everyone should get .com .net and .org versions of their names to "protect" their interests (so they could sell 3x as many names) all bets were off...

      It is now impossible to tell what type of organization you are dealing with based on their domain name. I run the web site for one nonprofit whose .org name was already taken so they have a .com. This seems to bother nobody. It's like 800 numbers vs. 888, 877, 866, etc.

      --
      On a clear disk you can seek forever
    12. Re:They have this backwards by wd123 · · Score: 1

      Check out my email address. Yes, that's legitimate. I really can be contacted as wd@arpa.com. In fact, I'm one of the administrators. Should DARPA or the NSF (or whomever, these days) go after us for having arpa.com because our email looks like it's coming "from those ARPA people"? The domain was registered legitimately, and has been held legitimately for years. Of course, much longer than 'unix.com', but still.

      Would you trust me because my email came from 'arpa.com'? :)

      --
      "question = (to) ? be : !be;" --Shakespeare
    13. Re:They have this backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More people know what is meant by "Unix" than "arpa"

    14. Re:They have this backwards by dacarr · · Score: 1
      The .com=commercial entity means nothing anymore. For the longest time, I maintained an address on Speakeasy using the .org TDL that they to this day maintain. I still use it, but not for much. But that's another story.

      Point being, I have to concur with other respondents. I think "dot-com" and I think "something on the 'net". Likewise, Speakeasy is a for-profit business, and if I register something of mine, it's going to probably be a ".net" just because I can. =^^=

      --
      This sig no verb.
    15. Re:They have this backwards by pretzel_logic · · Score: 1

      .com began as 'communication' but ended up as 'commercial'

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      pretzel_logic
  10. My favourite part: by tuxedo-steve · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the document:
    The Complainant states that its mark is notorious and that the Respondent must have known about it.
    They could have said `well-known'. They could have said `famous'. They could even have said `ubiquitous'.

    They chose, `notorious'. That's kinda sweet. :)
    --
    - SMJ - (It's not just a name: it's a bad aftertaste.)
    1. Re:My favourite part: by MisterBlister · · Score: 4, Funny
      They chose, `notorious'. That's kinda sweet. :)

      Notorious U.N.I.X. Eastside for life, nigga.

    2. Re:My favourite part: by CaseStudy · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's the language in the statute. You want to convince a court that the statute applies to you, you use the same words.

    3. Re:My favourite part: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surly Unix is "notoris"?

    4. Re:My favourite part: by Perdo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wei Zhongxian, notorious eunuchs, no balls for life.

      --

      If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.

    5. Re:My favourite part: by stud9920 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      They chose, `notorious'. That's kinda sweet. :)
      At least they didn't choose "notaris", which is ludacris.
    6. Re:My favourite part: by John+Hasler · · Score: 2


      They could have said `well-known'. They could
      have said `famous'. They could even have said
      `ubiquitous'.

      No. They had to say 'notorious'. It's legalese for 'well-known'.

      --
      Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
  11. Nice. by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 3, Informative

    When I visit www.unix.net, I get a picture of a pixilated finger, and the words, "Fuck You Open Group."

    As "ludacris" as it might seem, I don't believe this is the type of site that WIPO is going to take seriously in a domain arbitration hearing. I don't care how rich you are, you can't lawyer away the middle finger.

    1. Re:Nice. by Thackeri · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the words are "Fsck you Open Group"

      Much more appropriate IMO

      --
      Better the pride that resides in a Citizen of the world, than the pride that divides when a colourful rag is unfurled
    2. Re:Nice. by Disevidence · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I love moderators.

      People, that aint a troll. There is a finger, it is saying "Fsck you, open group".

      The parent stands true. Someone please underate it up thanks.

      --
      Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
    3. Re:Nice. by ch-chuck · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Agreed - it IS true, not troll. Yesterday my joke was modded 'insightful'. Moderation isn't working, meta-moderation isn't weeking out the bad moderators - we need meta-meta-moderation to weed out the bad meta-moderators NOW!

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    4. Re:Nice. by cut-N-paste+Troll · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Perhaps you did not notice the UID. I would say that this is definetly a troll.

      oh, btw, yhbt. foad. hand.

    5. Re:Nice. by Max+von+H. · · Score: 2

      Yeah, and after that it's the same UNIX guys who sptit on the Linux community on the claims it's immature and childish.

      Bleh.

      -max

      --
      -- It's always darker before it goes pitch black.
    6. Re:Nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sad thing is they link to Slashdot.org for the article.

    7. Re:Nice. by daddymac · · Score: 1
      Interestingly enough, it looks like the guys at unix.net might possibly think that they're unix.org.

      Quote from http://www.unix.net:

      They decided to file a legal domain dispute with WIPO, effectively ripping the domain from the owner and UNIX (tm) community. They have also filed claims against unix.com and unix.net
      Either that or they're so upset about losing their domain that they wanted to tell you twice.
      --
      If something I said can be interpreted two ways, and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, I meant the other one.
  12. This is ludacris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    And I thought only slashdot moderators could make us laugh.
    Thise are endeed ludacris spaling skillzzzzz ...

  13. Bleh: Ludicrous by Hash+Browns · · Score: 0, Interesting

    This whole notion of trademarks entailing a right to ownership of domains is ludicrous. On a side note, does the date of the trademark in relation to the registration date of the domain have any correlation then?

    There's a few existing domains I'd like without trademarked names. What's to stop me from trademarking the name after the fact and petitioning for ownership of the related domain names?

  14. I'm sorry, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whenever someone grabs a domain name similar to an OSDN friendly site, we get to hear all about the use of squatting for advertising, or even profiling, but when some company tries to claim a name that, in all reasonableness is rightfully theirs, it's corporate oppression? Nice double standard there.

  15. "ludacris"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    "ludacris"? wtf, learn how to spell idiot.

  16. Answers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny


    If the domain unix.com doesn't violate the UNIX trademark, what gives them the right to take unix.net


    Because being an opensource advocate means that you give up material possesions like domain names.

  17. Pardon? by Nailer · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is ludacris

    hell no nigga it ain't. This is Ludacris, foo'. Check yo spelling, y`all sucka MCs meant ludicrous.

    Ahem...

    1. Re:Pardon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      how is this a troll? its called satire. Nailer was pointing out that you had spelled the artist rather than the word. Then the post below it that says the same thing is modded higher than than this one. wow

    2. Re:Pardon? by aussersterne · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Um, sorry mods, but this post was funny, not a troll. You screwed up yet again. I have karma to burn so I feel free to say this openly.

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    3. Re:Pardon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      One word - Americans. If it doesnt say `This is a satire` at the start, the poor darlings get confused.

    4. Re:Pardon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      Here be yo Luadc ris Mama

    5. Re:Pardon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a bunch of shit.

  18. Ludacris? by martissimo · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is Ludacris and i've never heard him mention unix while rapping... did you mean ludicrous perhaps? ;)

  19. You would think.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..that they would at least run it through Word spell checker before posting.

    1. Re:You would think.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey its not just some strange American spelling is it?

  20. So I'm Confused by Kasmiur · · Score: 2, Funny

    even after reading the article I am left confused.

    Who do I cheer for? Theres no Microsoft nor RIAA or MPAA to boo. I guess since its all unix I should root(pardon the pun) for them both.

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    -THIS SPACE FOR RENT!
  21. can't we all just get along? by phaxkolumbo · · Score: 1

    i propose the following solution:

    unix.com goes to the holders of the trademark, and current owners of it get asterisknix.com, since that's what they really mean/want.

    everybody happy?

    (ok, asterisknix.com doesn't really exist, but it _could_)

    1. Re:can't we all just get along? by mclearn · · Score: 2
      Actually, no. They don't mean asterisknix.com. Visiting unix.com yields a web site that appears to be devoted to the exchange of knowledge and has NOTHING to do with Unix, except maybe to host knowledge associated with unix.

      In this case, I believe unix.com should go to the company that holds the UNIX trademark. unix.com current holders should find something else more befitting their content. Perhaps a variant of: uix.com (since it's the Universal Internet eXchange [as they use it]) (of course, uix.com is in use by the Underground Internet eXchange, so I guess that idea is pooched.)

    2. Re:can't we all just get along? by joostje · · Score: 1
      Visiting unix.com yields a web site that appears to be devoted to the exchange of knowledge and has NOTHING to do with Unix, except maybe to host knowledge associated with unix.

      Then maybe you visited a different unix.com than I did. OK, they may call themselves `Universal Internet eXchange', but it's devoted to UNIX (the OS) discussion.

  22. and just who is cybersquatting? by propstoalldeadhomiez · · Score: -1

    Is it just me or is unix.org now a blank page? I believe if you're going to say that someone is wrongfully holding your domain (cybersquatting), you should also put something better there. A blank page is not better than a site for discussion. It's stupid decisions like ruling unix.org was cybersquatting which make it necessary to add new TLDs. It's the companies that buy up domains and sit on them.

    --

    Jack Buck (1924-2002)
    Darryl Kile (1968-2002)
    1. Re:and just who is cybersquatting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Is it just me or is unix.org now a blank page?

      It's just you.
      I find that a ton of hashmarks in an html comment is valuable content.

  23. http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=ludacris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    No entry found for ludacris.
    32 suggestions found:
    ladies' room
    ladies'-eardrop
    ladies'-eardrops
    lady crab
    lady's earrings
    lady's-eardrop
    lady's-eardrops
    Late Greek
    latticework
    law degree
    lead carbonate
    lead chromate
    ledger
    ledger board
    ledger entry
    ledger line
    ledger paper
    Lithocarpus
    Lithocarpus densiflorus
    Lithocarpus glaber
    Lithocarpus glabra
    lithograph
    lithograph machine
    lithographer
    lithographic
    lithography
    Litocranius
    Litocranius walleri
    lodger
    Lotus corniculatus
    ludicrous
    ludicrously

    1. Re:http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=ludacris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Lady crab seems like close enough. Can I be a Slashdot editor now? Psleaze? Psleave?

    2. Re:http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=ludacris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

      Cowe gonna be chopps

    3. Re:http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=ludacris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not get it. Please explain. Thank you. Have A Nice Day.

  24. To root or not to root? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess since its all unix I should root(pardon the pun) for them both.
    Which I hope you mean in the american sense and not the australian sense of the word.;-)

  25. Fucking PDF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Why the FUCK would anybody use PD-fucking-F to publish a press release? How the fuck am I supposed to read it over an ssh connection using lynx? Jesus fucking christ!

    1. Re:Fucking PDF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pdf2html?

    2. Re:Fucking PDF? by Hittite+Creosote · · Score: 1
      If you haven't already guessed, they don't care. By making it a pdf file, they can ensure that it will appear in the layout they wish it to appear. Since the majority of people with access to the internet have no problem reading pdf files, they clearly see no problem in ignoring the few who choose to access the net in a way that will give them problems.

      I mean, I can't access Britain's motorway system on a unicycle either, but I'm not complaining.

    3. Re:Fucking PDF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Move into the 21st century, get a GUI and SEE what you are missing. Sometimes it is not much, other times it is slick coding. LYNX? Stinks!
      Aha!, I see, you are running on an old Compaq 486 mini-tower with 16 megs of RAM. THAT explains everything. Cheapskate! Do ya BlowGoats(tm) too?

  26. Lynx?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Are you some kind of freak?
    Does the words GUI scare you or something.

    1. Re:Lynx?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      Does the words GUI scare you or something.

      Missing question mark, "GUI" is not "words", it's an acronym, mixed singular and plural, "GUI" not quoted while being used in a quote context.

      Are you some sort of retard?

      Do the words "English Language" scare you or something?

  27. War on Iraq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    To declare war on Iraq would be the most stupid thing to do. Because :
    1/ Iraq would use its nuclear weapons, just because of this, they don't have a good enough reason yet, don't give them one.
    2/ What do you want to attain by that ? Replace Saddam ? with another one like him ? The USA has placed Saddam there HYPOCRITS

    1. Re:War on Iraq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      HYPOCRITS

      Your ludacris!

  28. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux.org sues the OSDN over Linux.com

  29. yup by martissimo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I wouldnt have even posted mine if i had seen that someone had done the exact same basic thing quicker than i did, while I hunt and pecked my link in for the pic.

    His is far funnier than mine, it's got that urban flair that compliments the point we both hit upon. I wouldn't have been surprised to end up modded to redundant and him to +4 or 5 funny, but ya never can tell what's gonna happen i guess.

  30. fsck you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    $ fsck /dev/you
    FSCK : Error, cant fsck yourself. Try /dev/loop if you really want to

    FSCK you open group

  31. Biased as usual by SpatchMonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From the article:
    • ... so this is a Good Thing.
    Surely we can make up our own minds about that.

    Remember, everyone -- this is just some guy's opinion and not a fact.
    1. Re:Biased as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you actually as much of a pompous twit as your comment makes you seem? ...or were you just having a bad morning?

    2. Re:Biased as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      okay thank you for that warning. i had no idea that i could make up my own mind!

  32. It's called "ispell" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Seriously, dude, if you can't spell "ludicrous", you don't deserve to have a domain.

  33. Lets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's take ALL the domain names that have been stolen by big businesses who were too stupid to register the disputed doamin names back when the net began to take off for the general public. I say we start in 1994 and reject any and all claims by businesses, like McDonalds, et al. Free the net for parody and free speech. De-commercialize the net and put it back to where it began, a not for profit entity.

  34. Redundant? by ObitMan · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Flamebait or Troll maybe.
    Is it so hard to spell check?
    If the editors are paid then they are viewed by the public as professionals.
    It makes me wonder if the reason for VA's stock taking a nosedive is that investors saw this site and the unprofessional conduct of the operators and realized they were dealing with something that would never make a profit for them.

    --
    Who run Barter Town?
    1. Re:Redundant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      oh yes, slashdot is VA's investor's primary concern. yes, sure... get a life

  35. Important Domain Arb Safety Tip by werdna · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Notice the dramatic difference here between results of three-judge panels (unix.com) and an individual arbitrator (unix.org). The published statistics show that single-judge arbitrations tend to be dramatically slanted pro-Complainant, with more balanced (but still generally proComplainant) results arising from a three-judge panel.

    The Complainant gets to pick the arbitration house -- and will invariably pick the one with the strongest published pro-Complainant statistics. The respondant cannot challenge that choice, but under the rules may opt for the three-judge panel.

    1. Re:Important Domain Arb Safety Tip by Grit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And, unfortunately, pay for the privilege. Accepting a single arbitrator costs the domain name holder nothing; asking for a panel requires that he or she pay for half the cost--- win or lose.

      This does even out the economic incentives somewhat. But even so, the UDRP provides choice of arbitrator to the complaintant, so market forces favor those arbitrators who tend to return pro-complaintant decisions. (I'm not suggesting any deliberate corruption, just magnification of any differences which naturally occur.)

  36. The Next Battle by robbway · · Score: 2, Funny

    The fight is now on for Eunuchs.com. I hope they have money left!

    1. Re:The Next Battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah... they don't have the balls to do it.

    2. Re:The Next Battle by BJH · · Score: 1

      That made my day...

    3. Re:The Next Battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch out when going to the site above. If your @ work like me, then you probably don't want to go there. If your lucky to be at home this morning.. Have at it. :)

    4. Re:The Next Battle by MarvinMouse · · Score: 3, Funny

      The fight is now on for Eunuchs.com. I hope they have money left!

      Well, I don't think they'll(Eunuchs.com) have the balls to fight back against a big company like Open Source.

      --
      ~ kjrose
    5. Re:The Next Battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nahh, I think they already have a domain name of their own.

  37. Redundant??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    HOW can the parent be redundant? The mods obviously have NO IDEA to what the post is referring, and NO IDEA what they're doing.

  38. like mobilix? by Xtifr · · Score: 2

    After all the trouble the mobilix folks got into from the owners of "Asterix and Obelix", I think "asterisknex.com" might be even less safe than "unix.com".

  39. Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    It's ludicrous too.

    Learn how to spell, mormon.

  40. Er: Btu wate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Uinx si sa daed sa und dornale.

    Al tihs mispeeling si ludicrus!

  41. luckily hemos and a man named michael by jonpry_oneword · · Score: 0

    since the battle has been one for unix.com, it is likely that you won't need much loyarage to beable to win the battle for unix.org and unix.net since there is pressident on the fact that unix.com does not violate that trademark, i wouldn't doubt if you could win this battle while representing yourself. I mean all you have to do it site the case unix.* vs. UNIX.

  42. Message from Admin of Unix.com by ende · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Neo (Admin of Unix.com) on their forums:

    A few facts:

    * We registered the UNIX.COM domain in 1993 in good faith.

    * We only registered UNIX.COM (UNIX.NET and UNIX.ORG were registered by others)

    * We have spent well over $25,000.00 on UNIX related legal fees.

    * We have spent many more thousands of dollars to maintain this site so that all people can freely discuss UNIX related issues without commericals.

    * We have spent a lot of $$$ to promote free speech regarding UNIX and UNIX like operating systems.

    * UNIX is a generic term regardless of X/Open's claim.

    * X/Open's false claim hurts the world UNIX community because it creates a negative environment and fragments the community with harsh actions that are, in reality, anti-open.

    * We do this because we love the UNIX philosophy and the true UNIX community.

    This is my gift to you, each and everyone of you.

    From the bottom of my heart. - Neo

    1. Re:Message from Admin of Unix.com by liquidsin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Whether or not UNIX is a "generic term" is irrelevant to the case. "Coke" is a generic term. "Shell" is a generic term. There are literally thousands of generic terms that are trademarked as company names. Unless X/Open trademarked the term *after* 1993 when the domain was registered, they have every right to get it back. For once, this isn't about a company abusing the system, it's about a company laying claim to what is rightfully theirs.

      --
      do not read this line twice.
    2. Re:Message from Admin of Unix.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The underlying assumption that owning a trademark automagically means you should own the domain is bogus. That's like saying if you own the trademark and a street is named with the same word then you should have control over who is allowed to live on that street.

      Just because our corporate masters have trained the masses to believe otherwise does not make it valid.

    3. Re:Message from Admin of Unix.com by liquidsin · · Score: 2

      The .com TLD is meant for COMpanies. Therefore, a company who owns the trademark UNIX should be entitled to the domain unix.com. Or so, that's how I think. I may be in the minority...

      --
      do not read this line twice.
    4. Re:Message from Admin of Unix.com by Shelled · · Score: 2
      Unless X/Open trademarked the term *after* 1993 when the domain was registered, they have every right to get it back.

      Why?

    5. Re:Message from Admin of Unix.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the attempted sale on ebay for $999,999
      in May 2000 never happened.

    6. Re:Message from Admin of Unix.com by liquidsin · · Score: 2

      I'm no lawyer, but I'd imagine that if the domain was registered in '93 but the trademark wasn't registered until '96 then the original owners of the domain could make a case that since they had the name first they were entitled to it. I'm just guessing, though. If anyone can tell me why I'm wrong I'd love to know.

      --
      do not read this line twice.
    7. Re:Message from Admin of Unix.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because our entire trademark system is a load of shit and we have tons of trademarks of generic words. Or maybe because if you actually search the trademark system you will find that the same trademarks are registered in many states, and frequently multiple times in the same state!

      Or if that isn't good enough, maybe it is because according to our trademark law, if someone doesn't religously defend their trademark to prevent it from coming a generic term, then they lose their right to the trademark.

  43. Is Unix.com and Apple Target Next? by ONOIML8 · · Score: 2

    The unix.com site has a nice looking OS X theme and the apple logo all over it.

    Is is me or does this seem to scream at Apple "bring it on!" I kind of wonder if they have been out looking for legal trouble.

    Not trolling, just asking.

    --
    . Quit playing Monopoly with Bill. Switch to one of many non-Microsoft products today.
    1. Re:Is Unix.com and Apple Target Next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's good advertising for Apple - associating Unix primarily with OS X...

  44. Molson lost their dispute too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Anybody remember how Molson was awarded Canadian.biz a while back? They lost on appeal in an Ontario Superior Court.

    Story.

    Of course, I submitted this as a story back when it happened a few weeks ago, but it wasn't posted...

    1. Re:Molson lost their dispute too by WEFUNK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, the follow-up to the canadian.biz case (which was part of the same original post discussing the unix.org dispute) was posted a couple of weeks ago, just not on the front page.

      In summary, the original registrant (a Canadian citizen) was able to convince a Canadian judge that "Canadian" does not mean beer alone and was able to block Molson from hijicking the canadian.biz domain.

      In his decision, the judge stated that "simply because a domain name is identical or similar to a trademark name should not result in the transfer of the domain name to the trademark owner. In my view, unless there is some evidence that the use of the domain name infringes on the use of the trademark name, a person other than the owner of the trademark should be able to continue to use the domain name." He was also critical of ICANN's definition and use of the "bad faith" criteria.

      It appears that ICANN and the registrar have respected the court decision, as the whois information has been updated with the original registrant's correct name and information.

      Between this and the contrast between the unix.com and unix.org cases, it certainly proves that ICANN is inconsistent in their rulings, and aren't considered (by at least one court) to have a very good handle on trademark law. Hopefully these decisions can be used as inspiration/precedent for the unix.org people to appeal so (just maybe) we can see two good news follow-ups from one bad news slashdot post.

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    2. Re:Molson lost their dispute too by alexo · · Score: 1

      Is there a way for the winners of the disputes to recoup their legal expenses?
      Otherwise, I think most private people would rather hand over their domains at the first sign of trouble.

    3. Re:Molson lost their dispute too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, iamcanadian.com redirects to fsbo.ca (for sale by owner) so it apparently is trying to squat on Molson's recent advertising theme.

    4. Re:Molson lost their dispute too by WEFUNK · · Score: 2

      Is there a way for the winners of the disputes to recoup their legal expenses?
      Otherwise, I think most private people would rather hand over their domains at the first sign of trouble.


      Important point. Thankfully, there's a good answer!

      According to the Globe & Mail, the legal costs of going up against a large corporation were a major concern for the eventual victor. But, happily:

      "Molson was also ordered to pay Mr. Black's legal fees."

      I hope this included all legal costs related to the arbitration phase as well as his appeal. I'm not sure, but Mr. Black might have been eligible for damages as well, but since his website plans were probably still too conceptual he probably couldn't argue any loss of revenue. However, awarding legal fees probably does open the door for damages and penalties, depending on the circumstances of future domain hijicking cases.

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  45. Read the UDRP by yerricde · · Score: 3, Informative

    On a side note, does the date of the trademark in relation to the registration date of the domain have any correlation then?

    Read the UDRP, version 19991024, and the resolution rules. An action in bad faith, such as reverse domain name hijacking, will be thrown out.

    What's to stop me from trademarking the name after the fact and petitioning for ownership of the related domain names?

    You run a risk that such action would be considered reverse hijacking, defined as "using the Policy in bad faith to attempt to deprive a registered domain-name holder of a domain name" (Resolution Rules) (emphasis by yerricde).

    Ludacris

    --
    Will I retire or break 10K?
  46. Thank you for telling me what to think by Astrorunner · · Score: 3, Funny

    "We had the story about unix.org losing their battle so this is a Good Thing."

    Isn't it great that we have the editors at Slashdot to break things down to simple terms? All I need to do to make up my mind is look and see if it is a "Good Thing" or a "Bad Thing."

  47. Comparing the unix.com and unix.org cases by Shirotae · · Score: 4, Informative

    I read through the decisions for the unix.com and unix.org cases, and can see some parts of the answer to kyler's question If the domain unix.com doesn't violate the UNIX trademark, what gives them the right to take unix.net away from me and unix.org away from Michael?

    The unix.com domain had been in use for some time for a discussion forum where the main topic was unix, they kept their domain registration despite it including the trademark. The unix.org domain had not been actively used for anything, and the information provided about what it had been intended to be used for was seen by the arbitrators as indicating an intent to make money as a result of attracting visitors, with the unix trademark being part of what attracted visitors.

    The argument about 'unix' having become generic failed in both cases.

    The arbitrators seem to be deciding on the basis of whether or not the domain is actually being used for some legitimate purpose. Mere ownership of the trademark does not seem to be enough for victory. It is good that the holders of unix.com won, but if the report of the unix.org case is accurate as to the facts, then I think that was a reasonable decision.

    I also tracked down the decision for the unix.net case http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/200 2/d2002-0296.html, and among the things it says is The Respondent failed to file any evidence that might lead the Panel to the inference that the Respondent has rights or a legitimate interest in the domain name. Not having seen the site in its original form I can't tell for myself whether or not the arbitrators are right to judge that there was no legitimate interest. They seem to have formed the opinion that the site was really a web designer advertising their services, and using someone else's trademark to attract visitors. Perhaps someone who visited the site in its old form can comment.

    1. Re:Comparing the unix.com and unix.org cases by br0ck · · Score: 1
      Not having seen the site in its original form
      Use the Wayback Machine to view older versions of the unix.net. Here's a quick summary if you don't feel like clicking the links. From dec 98 to mar 2000, it consisted of only a construction page for 'unix network consulting'. Then, despite never having any Unix info or books, it got replaced with the statement 'I had to take the books offline so I didnt get my pants sued off'. This was up for a year until it became mountainback.com for four months. Now it's just the message 'fsck you open group'. IMHO it doesn't look like they had much of a case.
    2. Re:Comparing the unix.com and unix.org cases by Crispy+Critters · · Score: 2
      The argument about 'unix' having become generic failed in both cases.
      The report indicates that they are not allowed to addres the question of whether UNIX (UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the United States and other countries) has become generic. All they can consider is whether The Open Group has a trademark on UNIX (UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the United States and other countries).

      This is similar to the issue of patents: When someone is accused of violating a patent, they cannot argue that the patent is invalid. Getting a patent declared invalid is a completely separate legal procedure. (I can see that there is a source of confusion for USAns here. When someone is accused of violating a law, if the appeals go high enough it is possible for the law to be declared unconstitutional, but appeal of a patent violation will never consider the validity of the patent.)

      While it is not relevant to the case, I think that there is a good argument that UNIX (UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the United States and other countries) has become a generic term. There is no such thing as "A UNIX" (UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the United States and other countries). The Open Group specfically states that a valid use of "UNIX" (UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the United States and other countries) is in an advertisement for "MyProduct word processor for the UNIX* operating system". ("It is acceptable to use an asterisk in place of the trademark symbol where the medium used... cannot reproduce the... symbols"). This shows the absurdity of their claim, for there is no program that works on all UNIX* operating systems (hello world excepted). I submit without justification that no reasonably useful program can be written just to the standard; i.e it compiles on all certified UNIX* systems with no ifdefs.

      Furthermore, The Open Group certifications listed on the web site apparently show that none of the BSDs are UNIX* systems. But there is NCR UNIX, so we have UNIX* for cash registers, woohoo! I think that they can trademark their certifications, i.e. "UNIX 98", but term UNIX* itself is moving close to being generic.

  48. Unix fire extinguisher by Mike+McTernan · · Score: 1

    Have a look at this picture taken on 20th of August 1991 in Spain. Seems that the company has never heard of the trademark on UNIX either...

    --
    -- Mike
    1. Re:Unix fire extinguisher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unix pens also exist.

      Trademarks aren't necessarily a problem for completely different types of products that could never be confused accidentally.

  49. "bad faith" was the deciding factor by _|()|\| · · Score: 3, Informative
    So to have the decisions go in the opposite direction indicates that the whole thing [is] decided by hordes of rampaging lawyers.

    In both the unix.org and unix.com cases, the panel said that X/Open had undisputed rights to the UNIX trademark, which covers unix.*. Unix.com refuted the bad faith claim, as it has been a viable, non-commercial web site since 1993. Unix.org, on the other hand, was a brand new site with nothing but links to commercial Unix-related sites.

    I disagree that unix.org was registered in bad faith, but the battle lines have been drawn.

    1. Re:"bad faith" was the deciding factor by dtobias · · Score: 1

      It is rather weird that a noncommercial site about Unix used the .com address, while a commercial user got the .org one, where it ought to logically have been the other way around...

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      --Dan
      Web Tips
    2. Re:"bad faith" was the deciding factor by someone247356 · · Score: 1

      That's easy to answer, GREED.

      Network Solutions found out it was MUCH more profitable selling companies 3 domain names (.com, .net, .org) that simply selling them 1 (.com). They would have probably loved to have added .gov, .mil, .us, and .edu. Luckily for us someone else is/was managing that name space.

      Unfortunately with .us going commercial they can sell companies yet another name. Oh and I forgot .info and .biz. Pepsi should now buy pepsi.com (where they belong), pepsi.org, pepsi.net, pepsi.us, pepsi.biz, pepsi.info.

      Every time another unrestricted TLD is created, companies will feel that they have to buy their name in that space too. In the current setup all that creating more TLD's does is generate revenue for registrars. It doesn't do anything to make more domains available. Don't believe me, then why the big hoopla about sunrise periods?

      What we need is the return of some restrictions to TLD's; .com commercial .biz another commercial TLD (pick ONLY one) .org NON-commercial general .info information provider (individual or institutional) .net network related, i.e you are an ISP of some sort. .us lives/based in the USA. Keep the city.state.us and create broad xx.us as well. (ex; *.kid.us = us children's, *.med.us medical sites, *.lib.us = us libraries, etc.) .xx Other country code TLD's should be similar to .us. None of this .tv silliness. .mil military, not only us military. (i.e. *.us.mil = us military, *.uk.mil = British military, *.pt.mil = Portuguese military, *.nato.mil NATO sites, etc.) .gov = government sites, not just us gov. (see .mil above)

      Simple. The above would be cheaper for companies, would mean less reason for company A to sue individual B over domain name C, would mean lots more domain names for everyone.

      Registrars would stand to loose lots of money, and companies like Nike wouldn't be able to take over nike.org, nikesucks.info, etc, in on the whole I think it would be a good idea.

      --
      Just my $0.02 (Canadian, before taxes)
  50. Martha Stewart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey! Martha Stewart says "it's a good thing"
    So it must be...
    yes, the world is completely black and white
    thanks for asking

  51. mod this up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    someone finally posts a real joke, and gets modded offtopic.. typical slashdot

  52. This is a big deal why? by shimmin · · Score: 4, Insightful
    DNS is obsolete. Someone looking for unix info might type in www.unix.com, but experience has taught anyone who has surfed the net more than 30 minutes that randomly typing in URLs is a chancy way of finding what you want.

    Far more useful is to type what you're looking for into Google. Lately, the I'm Feeling Lucky button has just been uncanny.

    Why fight over namespace when the real value is in Googlespace?

    1. Re:This is a big deal why? by davew2040 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe that these days it's not so much an issue of pragmatism as it is an issue of prestige. Perception plays an important role in marketing (as in politics). While it may not be as huge of a deal for individuals, this is the sort of thing that companies jump at.

    2. Re:This is a big deal why? by Jesus+IS+the+Devil · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. With the right domain name you can also have the advantage in search engines. With a domain name like unix.com your chances of getting listed at the top of every major search engine with the keyword "unix" is much much higher than someone with "iloveunix.com".

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      eTrade SUCKS
    3. Re:This is a big deal why? by Cirvam · · Score: 1

      Yeah but i-love-unix.com would get ranked higher then both because it would encompass more search terms.

    4. Re:This is a big deal why? by shimmin · · Score: 2
      Obviously, search engine operators don't release their ranking algorithms for the very reason of avoiding this sort of manipulation, but Google at least appears to value several types of meta-information above domain name.

      The search I ran this afternoon on "unix" gave unix.com in 26th place. The top 3 were the GNU project, FreeBSD, and geek-girl.com's unix reference pages (which kind of gives credence to the respondent's claim that the UNIX trademark should be revoked as having become generic).

    5. Re:This is a big deal why? by Alsee · · Score: 2

      Why fight over namespace when the real value is in Googlespace?

      Simple - because so far they haven't found any way to fight over Googlespace. I'm sure they're working on it though.

      -

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    6. Re:This is a big deal why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Branding, I suggest you learn a little bit about it.

  53. Hah! by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Notice the WIPO carefully not addressing the respondent's assertion that the word "UNIX" has become generic? It wouldn't do for that lot to effectively take a trademark away from someone. Why, if one of the outcomes of taking a complaint to the WIPO was that your trademark might be invalidated, people might stop abusing them so much. Lower case load equals less tasty UN funding. The WIPO likes its funds! They don't want that! So even though the respondent makes a damn good argument that the word "UNIX" has become generic, the WIPO just says "Oh we're not going to address THAT issue, but we'll find for the respondent anyway!"

    The respondent makes a pretty good argument that the word "UNIX" has become generic and every computer professional I've ever known has used the word in a very generic fashion. I wonder if a preemptive lawsuit might be filed to have the trademark removed from the word...

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    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  54. Metsonline didn't do so well by puckhead · · Score: 1

    Major League Baseball tied the all-star game, are in the midst of a labor dispute between millionairse and billionaires and yesturday they closed a site that was promoting their business for free.

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  55. Must...Not...Feed...Troll... by kikta · · Score: 2
    I don't care how rich you are, you can't lawyer away the middle finger.

    Yeah, it isn't like you can go around spouting off any old thing on the Internet. We have high standards to be upheld here, people, and we don't want to hear any of that cry-ass First Amendment crap. ;-)

    P.S. Fsck you, not fuck you.
  56. I know why they took it away... by orion67 · · Score: 1

    it's because you couldn't pass the third grade spelling test. You can use the domain registration money you saved and buy a dictionary. Try looking up "ludacris" in it.

  57. Slightly Offtopic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it that once things become popular, they invariably start to suck? I could list a lot of examples, but I'm trying to keep this short so I'll just talk about the Internet. Who here likes the Internet in 2002 better than 1992's incarnation? Than 1982's? Pop-ups, pop-unders, spam (granted this has always been around but it seems worse now), companies abusing and buying laws, ICANN, Network Solutions/Verisign, Outlook viruses, Code Red worms, restrictions on speech, the death of USENET. Again the list goes on but I don't want to rant too much. I miss the freewheeling Internet of old. Where can the geeks of today go to hack on a large global network of computers?

  58. "OED, Rescue Me!" by windside · · Score: 1
    This has already been said... but it's "ludicrous", dude. "Ludacris" is a rapper, and a bad one at that. Butchery!

    (Can we get a Pop-culture grammar filter over here please?)

    Do yourself a favour and buy yourself a copy of the Oxford English Dictionary... perhaps one with large print?

    [SPEAKING OF dictionaries: someone told me that the 1st Edition of Merriam-Webster's Dictionary was edited by a tenant of an insane asylum. Can anyone confirm/refute this as truth/myth?]

    WS

    Trout wrote of Eva Braun, "Her only crime was to have allowed a monster to ejaculate in her birth canal. These things happen to the best of women." --Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions

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    1. Re:"OED, Rescue Me!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're thinking of the first edition of the Oxford English Dictionary. The editor was perfectly sane, but one of the main contributors was insane (it was a large collaborative project, very much like the Open Source world of today). Check out "The Professor and the Madman" by Simon Winchester for a fascinating account of the creation of the dictionary. Dr. William Minor was an inmate at one of the harshest British asylums for the criminally insane, with a lot of free time/energy. The book is really good so I won't spoil anything for you.

    2. Re:"OED, Rescue Me!" by windside · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tip!

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      Churchill
    3. Re:"OED, Rescue Me!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SPEAKING OF dictionaries: someone told me that the 1st Edition of Merriam-Webster's Dictionary was edited by a tenant of an insane asylum. Can anyone confirm/refute this as truth/myth?]

      You may be referring to the OED and Dr. W. C. Minor, a volunteer for the project. Minor lived in the Aslym for the Criminally Insane, in Broadmoor England.

      Simon Winchester wrote a great book "The Professor and the Madman" about it.

    4. Re:"OED, Rescue Me!" by Suppafly · · Score: 1

      .[SPEAKING OF dictionaries: someone told me that the 1st Edition of Merriam-Webster's Dictionary was edited by a tenant of an insane asylum. Can anyone confirm/refute this as truth/myth?]


      Something like that.. read The Professor and the Madman by Simon Winchester.

  59. So this is the second.... by jaymz168 · · Score: 0

    ...idiot I've seen who thinks LUDICROUS is spelled LudiCRIS. This is not some moronic pop rapper, learn your language.

  60. For God's Sake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SPELLCHECK!!!!!

  61. Strange... by windside · · Score: 1

    Hmmm... I didn't add the signature (below, in italics) until after that message was posted, hence the strange syntax of the end of the message... Does the signature apply itself post-humously to already-posted messages?

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    1. Re:Strange... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it does.

  62. Shell by srichman · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Shell" is a generic term.
    What Shell are we talking about here? The oil company? Is it really that generic? Does anyone in the world say, "I'm going down to the Shell station," when in reality they're going to BP?
    1. Re:Shell by stikves · · Score: 2

      I think he probably means other uses, like "eggshell" or "sea shell", or even "bourne again shell" (bash).

    2. Re:Shell by The+Rogue86 · · Score: 1

      achoo.... could you hand me a kleenex.

      some terms are trademarked and still common place.

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  63. Hi. This is Neo. (unix.com admin) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    A couple of things to consider.

    (1) If you get into a UDRP dispute, hire a good UDRP lawyer.

    (2) I recommend our unix.com attorney, Dr. David Steele (www.cph.com)

    (3) Legal disputes are just like complex problems in your OS kernel: You don't hire lawyers to write a kernel driver :) You don't hire programmers to defend your rights in court :)

    (4) UNIX.COM won because the domain was registered in 1993 (in good faith) for good reasons (including the non-commerical technical forum www.unix.com) AND we had excellent legal counsel.

    (5) WIPO is not the proper authority to rule on the details of a trademark (generic or not). WIPO rules on WIPO guidelines.

    BTW: Thank YOU Slashdot-gurus for all the moral support over the years!!! -Neo

    www.unix.com

  64. Respecting economic interests by wytcld · · Score: 2

    The principle behind the (bad) decisions is the (somewhat good) notion that the society that shows some favoritism towards economic interests ends up with more of an economy and thus everyone's better off, even though the gravity of the economic interests distorts the local sector of social space-time.

    Well, how do we get similar respect for something like the "Open Software Economic Interest Group"? Major economic value is being created here. The whole society, worldwide, can gain benefit by granting a favorable environment in which the OSEIG can carry out its wealth-creating function. We are as worthy of political favoritism as any corporate entity. We are not ever going to see a society in which economic interests are not granted major favors - but how, as an emerging economic interest, do we collect the favors that, if these games are to work right, should be ours (those of us too stupid to sell the old IPO stock in time, anyhow)?

    If the process works right, we should be able to even acquire domains of potential use to OSEIG's (and thus the greater society's) economic interests, simply by showing that the pie will be richer for all if those domains are in our hands - not because we're 'better,' but because we represent a larger share of and contribution to economic activity. The current underlying 'corrupt' argument for favoring groups with the most economic juice should favor us. Let's demand, not their end, but their proper and logical application.
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  65. Unix.com controlled by wiggers. by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: -1



    The Unix trademark is "notorious"? X/Open's claims are "ludacris"?

    I smell a wigger! Turn your friggin stereo down, pull your pants up and get a job you hippy!

    Cheers,

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  66. Re:Hi. This is Neo. (unix.com admin) by Meleschi · · Score: 1

    This is amazing... The admin from unix.com responds, and someone mods it down?

    Please mod parent up!

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  67. WOAH! be careful there chief! by Stalcair · · Score: 1
    This is ludacris
    Its 'Ludicrous': if your not careful you could go plaid!

    KEEP FLAMING, ASSHOLES!

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  68. Huh? by alexburke · · Score: 1, Redundant

    This is ludacris

    What on earth does a rapper have to do with UNIX domain disputes?

    1. Re:Huh? by kyronie · · Score: 1

      ludacris the rapper is one crazed individual, therefore his name is often used as a slang term to describe something "ludicrous" ... sorry if you all aren't up on the latest lingo... "my bad" spelling checkers are for pansies anyway... i meant to say ludacris so you anal readers can relax for a bit :) flame away...

  69. In other news . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . many literate readers of slashdot found the mispelling of "ludacris" ludicrous.

    Oh, wait, there aren't any literate readers of slashdot, much less any who use a spell checker.

  70. Don't Mess With Vonnegut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The quote you used as your sig does NOT appear in Breakfast of Champions, but rather in Timequake. Don't make a mistake like that again! Sheesh!

  71. UNIX rap? by Interrobang · · Score: 2

    I've never heard anyone mention UNIX while rapping. I think I'd kinda like that, given the apparent intelligence level in most (but not all) popular music.

    Anyone out there got any hardcore geek music? I don't mean MC Hawking, either, but you can check it out for chuckles.

    1. Re:UNIX rap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever hear of Weird Al?

      It's all about the pentiums baby!!

  72. Immaterial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean immaterial possession, since you can't fondle^H^H^H^H^H^Htouch a domain name.

  73. rightfully theirs by phriedom · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm going to pretend that this post really is "interesting" and not "flamebait": Trademark allows for the development of a business identity. It prevents other people from making money off of your good name. It is generally limited to areas where someone is using a confusingly similar name that would lead customers to believe they are getting the "real thing" but they are not. It does not extend to unrelated business areas where a reasonable customer would not confuse the names, nor does it extend to every use of a word, though corporations often try to make it so. So, for example, I might be able to get away with selling "Olde MacDonald's Scotch Whiskey" without infringing on the trademarks of McDonalds resteraunt chain, nor 3M's Scotch brand products. Mount Olympus Camera Co. would not fly, but Mount Olympus Software, probably would. I might be able to sell "Unix Cheese Puffs" and "Unix Caffiend Cola" if the judge doesn't think I'm trading on X/Open's good name.

    My point is that X/Open do not own the word "Unix" they just some rights to exclusive use of it as a name for an operating system, and related things. THAT DOES NOT GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO THE DOMAIN NAME. What we don't want is people squatting on a domain, with no use for it other than to hold it hostage and to sell it to a party that does have use for it. That doesn't mean that a trademark holder is the only party with a legitimate interest in the domain, nor should their claim automatically be more legitimate just because they have a trademark. If I register NBC.* as a site or sites for Nehalem Baseball Club or some such before National Broadcasting Company does, they shouldn't be able to take it away from me.

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    1. Re:rightfully theirs by liquidsin · · Score: 2

      You make quite a few valid points, but you're missing the key point that I was trying to make. McDonald's owns a trademark on the name "McDonald's". While you may be able to get away with Olde McDonald's Scotch Whiskey, you'd sure as hell have a hard time of getting mcdonalds.com. The reason is because you could just as easily get oldemcdonaldsscotchwhiskey.com. I may be in the minority, but to me this seems fair. X/Open should be entitled to unix.com since they own the trademark on "UNIX" and they are a company (hence the .com). If the people who currently own unix.com couldn't get unix.net or unix.org, they could have just as easily taken unixchat.com, since they seem to be a user forum. But companies who own trademarks should have the right to their domains. If the unix.com people want a website, they should take up their beef with unix.net or unix.org instead of taking a dot COM from a COMpany.

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    2. Re:rightfully theirs by phriedom · · Score: 2

      I still disagree, and I can turn your argument around on you. If I operate a distillery that sell Olde McDonald's Scotch Whiskey, trademarked or not, and I registered or came by mcdonalds.com before the resteraunt chain did, then THEY should go register mcdonaldsfoods.com or mcdonaldsinc.com or mickeyds.com or goldenarches.com. X/Open should go register unixos.com or unixsoftware.com or unixrocksyoursocks.com. If I was there first and I have a legitimate use for it, then it is and should stay mine. Trademark does not automatically entitle one to a domain, at least not in any law I know of. If I wasn't using the domain, then that would be a different story.

      Furthermore, I think the com stands for commerce or commercial, not company. Since unix.com is a resource for commercial, public, and private use of unix o/s, it is perfectly fitting that they have the .com TLD.

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  74. Domain Names by Fascist+Christ · · Score: 1

    Who needs domain names? You can very easily 123.12 the 1.11.4 in the 3.2.56 and instantly 88.76.122.5 any 47.3.44.111 without any dificulty what so ever!

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  75. meta-meta-mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, what we need is google-like modding. The lower the grade of responses a posting attracts, the more troll-like the post becomes. I guess if you take this to the logical conclusion, the whole article can become a troll.

  76. Where is Hendon, VA? by Webmoth · · Score: 2

    This decision will be thrown out, because the document lists Network Solutions' address as "Hendon, VA". There is no such city; in fact NSI existed in Herndon, VA.

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  77. Re:Hi. This is Neo. (unix.com admin) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, he posted AC so his score was 0. One person modded him up (+1, Insightful) raising his score to one.

    Where did you learn math?

  78. Stolen Domains by Trevelyan · · Score: 1

    For the past couple of months I been checking www.objective-c.org it seems to have been taken over by some co. I have no idea about what happened to it.
    I was planning to learn Objective-C, but I have no idea where their web site has been displaced to.
    Anyone know what happend to the objective-c site?
    Here is the google cache of the objective-c site before 'Arrow Ritcher' got it (who ever they are). I hope google dont ever update their cache, til I find where their site has gone to.

  79. Bad Ruling by geekee · · Score: 1

    Unix is a trdemarked name, and therefore, the owner of the trademark should get the domain name, based on precedent of similar rulings.

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  80. Re:Nice. ( I know it's OT) by someone247356 · · Score: 1

    Actually, I think there is a bug in the program Slashdot is using. Last week I moderated several posts +1 Insightful, +1 Informative, +1 Interesting. After I hit the moderate button they were moderated, +1 Funny, +1 Redundant, +1 Troll (or something equally silly).

    Shrug.....

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  81. Just like "Abraham Linkin" (sigh) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I teach American History at a junior high school, and the past two school years have brought a new misspelling to the students' (already embarassing) dictionary. Even though Honest Abe's last name is clearly spelled out in the text, and I've made a point to spell it out both on the board /and/ on handouts, the kids are still missing it. I wonder how long it'll be until they start trying to correct /my/ spelling of "Lincoln?"

    I've got an exam question regarding the Emancipation Proclamation, and the answer is of course Abraham Lincoln. Last year more than 3/4 of the students spelled his last name "Linkin." Really drives me nuts; and while I don't normally take off points for spelling, I /did/ hit them with a -1 for that one. The worst they'd butcher the name in the past was to leave the second "l" out of Lincoln.

    Ya can't beat pop culture, I guess. I should start a band called Lincoln Abe and get these kids' spelling back on track...

  82. Everyone knows that by JewFish · · Score: 1

    Everyone knows that UNIX is really just a is really just a Fire Extinguisher, and certainly not a web page or much less a legal trademakr. Extinguisher, and certainly not a web page or much less a legal trademakr.

  83. They're pretty lame though by VladDrac · · Score: 1

    I don't know what the unix.com owners want to do with the domain (probably selling it for lots of $$ to AT&T?), but in trying to be 'not related to unix' they behave pretty lame, like stealing the webdesign from zope.org. Have a look

  84. Extreme nastiness!!! by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 1

    Foolishly, perhaps, I followed your link to unix.net. I'm in a school computer lab, using IE 5.5. Some very nasty shit followed. Redirected to a page that spawned endless copies of the goatse.cx picture (I'd never seen it; I'm so glad that I was finally exposed to this thing that I've been avoiding all this time) and deposited a "Winbomb" virus in my diskspace.

    Then, I tried it over telnet with an HTTP/1.0 GET and got nothing nasty. Used Opera, same shit (even with images, redirects and popups turned off: not well enough off, apparently). So I telneted an HTTP/1.1 GET, identifying the browser as MSIE 5.5, then I got a chain of redirects to the nastiness.

    Thanks, unix.net, for ruining my lunch.

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  85. OED's mad contributor by jn42 · · Score: 1

    Actually, it was the OED itself. During its creation (which spanned quite a few decades, iirc) a request was sent out for contributions of supporting quotations, and by far the most prolific contributor was a US surgeon (Dr William Minor) confined to a British asylum for a bout of 'temporary insanity' during which he murdered a total stranger in London. The editors of the OED didn't know, for several years, that this was the case, until one of them arranged to visit the good doctor, and found upon arrival that things were not quite what they had believed... The book, "The Professor and the Madman" was actually quite an interesting read. j