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The Linuxworld Expo is now in full swing, and there's a variety of news. The BBC has an overview. Microsoft has a booth at the Expo in the section intended for "new, up-and-coming companies". Sun is rolling out servers running Linux. And VA Software - Slashdot's owner - is moving Sourceforge.net to IBM's database software.
I'm just waiting for someone to start defacing the Microsoft booth. This will make us look REALLLY good to the corporate world.
Damn, I never thought I'd see this graph go upwards again!
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
At some point... every single linux geek in the entire place is going to collectively turn to and point at the Microsoft booth, and then in unison, laugh their asses off, when one of the machines bsod's.
how is a Sun a sun if they aren't using SPARCs and they aren't running Solaris? Might as well called it Bob's OEM PC's running Linux instead of Sun Microsystems.
"Just please don't ignore us."
For how many years did they pretend like they ignored us while plotting certain death?
Until that booth has "MS Office TUX" I have no desire to see them at the Expo.
when all the people at the show know about Microsoft software, and that's why they're running Linux?
Like car accidents, most hardware problems are due to driver error.
After reading the IBM/VA agreement article, I must ask:
When's slashdot moving ton a J2EE webapp that employs Websphere and DB2?
Seriously. This is a very odd combo. Either VA agreed to use IBM's software and prevent JBoss and mySQL/postgres from being on sourceforge, or VA will move its projects like the news sites and sourceforge over to IBM products like Websphere and DB2.
I don't see any other advantage to IBM making the agreement...
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
Houston said.
"Just please don't ignore us."
I didn't know Microsoft was in that bad a way.
Doesnt Linux-world bring images of children going on rides with huge fluffy penguins.
And wearing penguin ears? hmm maybe not penguin ears.
Mouse powered Chips, Open source Processors and Lego
I can understand that MySQL and Portgres don't cut it for your particular need but, damn, what about SAP. Surely a repository for Free as in beer and Free as in speech software deserves to remain free.
From a purely business standpoint I don't get it either. Source Forge isn't making a whole lot of money, if any, as it is. Can VA really afford to spend the money on DB2, or are they simply aligning themselves for the future? I can tell you now, if VA has any fantasy of turning Source Forge into a paid service, they'll be more than a bit suprised by the backlash/bitch slapping that they will receive from the community that they claim to hold so dearly.
They couldn't really be stupid enough to think that? Could they?
While some may scoff at such a question, even the most basic DB2 documentation stresses the importance of keeping transactions short, due to limited resources for row-level locking and the dire effects of lock promotion on concurrency.
Conversely, Tom Kyte in his first book stresses that Oracle provides an unlimited number of row-level locks (by storing the locks on disk), and never promotes a lock.
Now, obviously, people have gotten DB2 to scale, since it powers some very large databases. I have an interest (and certifications) in both systems, but I can't help but wonder what sort of tricks must be played with the database to overcome concurrency issues with memory-based lock structures - does this require a 64-bit address space even for a moderately-sized db?
"Tell us what we are doing right and what we are doing wrong"
Well.. this is going to take a while.
~ kjrose
Now, I'm no real Microsoft Affectionado, but this is probably the single most insightful thing I ever heard from a Microsoft representative. People don't want to fiddle with anything on their computers, just use the standard apps. Heck, most users don't even change their background nor their colours (God help them, the day they get XP!).
I know this is going straight against the mantra on slashdot "choice-is-good", but normal users have no base on what to make a "choice", and there inflexibility is good: it makes the normal user feel "good" about his (non)choice. How many times have I told people to switch from Lookout Express to a better email client (especially when they just got infected by the virus/worm of the day), but it doesn't help: they are familiar with it, it comes with the computer and everyone uses it. That's infexibility, and the users are inflexible, hence they need inflexible software. Sad but true.
From the linked BBC article:
>Linux is gaining corporate fans is because it is
>cheap, easy to maintain and much more secure than
>Microsoft software.
You can't buy advertising like that.
Anyone remember that scene from the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley" where there was an Apple booth and the company MS worked with at the expo. Everyone ignored the other booth and went over to the Apple booth. When Bill tried to talk with any of the Apple reps, he was ignored.
:-)
wouldn't that be great if that happened here. The entire MS booth is barren while everyone is busy doing what they came to a _Linux_ expo for. To look at _Linux_ products, not Windows products.
just a thought.
~ kjrose
You move from free to expensive software "VA Software, whose roots lie in the open-source world of Linux, is trying to move more toward proprietary software in an effort to boost its revenue", and your share price doubles? "VA Software's shares surged by more than 50 percent on the news, rising 42 cents to $1.24 in early trading"
What gives?
Get your own free personal location tracker
Here's the announcement:
t ml
r 1200/SR1200ProdBrief.pdf
http://www.sun.com/2002-0812/feature/
Their flash based interactive thingy
http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/lx50/lx50_demo.h
Looks remarkably like:
http://www.intel.com/design/servers/accessories/s
Ok, I think this is the straw that broke the camel's back for me. First it was the poor site interface, then it was the auto-download system, and now this converting to DB2. Sourceforge offically now sucks in my book. I wish everyone would start moving their projects off sourceforge.
Havoc Penington, the bane of my Linux desktop.
I was lonelier than A Microsoft booth babe at a Linux Expo that night..........
Ok, so it was bad. Bite me.
--fatboy
Microsoft has offered services to 'peacefully coexist' for Netware, and Appletalk. While both are not dead, Netware is nowhere as near as popular as it once was. Don't be fooled! Keep your unix machines! As in typical Microsoft fashion, the 'standards' will change to only support Microsoft, or support them better.
since the representative said that he thinks all users want is ease of use "out of the box" and not flexibility, then porting, say, microsoft office to linux would make some people happy, and at the same time not harm microsoft, because linux is supposedly NOT easy to use out of the box.
obviously, i disagree. i have had enough fun with windows video drivers that don't work causing the screen to be black, but since EVERYTHING is gui, i can't do anything about it, which means i need to reinstall. can i switch back to vga? NO. but that is besides the point. frankly, linux comes with far more out of the box than windows ever will. but that is besides the point.
if microsoft is bold enough to say that their operating system is easier to use, and then appear at linuxworld, i think they should at least be bold enough to port some software (as a software vendor not, operating system creator) to prove their point. it seems they are kissing up to linux geeks to pull some PR move or some other unpredictable stunt.
QED
BSD is for people who love UNIX. Linux is for those who hate Microsoft.
From Netcraft:
The site www.linuxworldexpo.com is running Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on NT4/Windows 98.
Stuff that matters: circuitbreakers, vacuum-cleaners coffee makers, calculators generators, matching salt+pepper shakers
What are they giving out? I like to give any Microsoft T-shirts i get to homeless people. Puts them to a good cause :)
The difference between Canada and the USA is that in Canada healthcare is a right and gun ownership is a privilege.
"Microsoft has a booth at the Expo..."
I am suddenly reminded of the far side cartoon that has the Polar Bear wearing a penguin mask...
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
Hopefully everyone will react with nothing but class.
-- Scientist: You aren't going to leave me here, are you? Boagh! Thump...
For those of you that use sourceforge for their free software projects, it looks like it's time to move to savannah.gnu.org.
In case you're wondering, the gnu.org in there does not imply that your project needs to be under the GPL/LGPL --- any Free Software projects are welcome.
Why would you want to move? Well, from what I hear, extracting some of your meta-data is already hard/imposible from Sourceforge --- this seems like a trend that is likely to continue, so perhaps you should get out while you still can.
At least you can be sure that the Free Software Foundation won't pull any similar tricks.
Debian: GNU/Linux done the Linux way
Despite the immediate speed increase which could come from migrating to a real database which supports grown-up DB features like subselects, etc, I don't see it happening on Slashdot anytime soon.
Not to flamebait here, but if you've gone through Slashcode source, you know that it's a pile of spaghetti. It doesn't lend itself to a redesign of the database access methods to take advantage of an industry-quality DB's featureset, at least not without redesigning much of Slashcode itself.
The resulting weblog software could be really badass, but seeing as this site's gone since 1998 without a significant redesign (Slash 2 is Slash 1 with lipstick on), I don't see it suddenly happening now.
"Please come to the booth, converse, vent, tell us what you love about Linux and tell us what Microsoft is doing right and doing wrong," Houston said.
Why is MS suddenly interested in what Linux has to offer as advantages...? An MSLinux perhaps... Or maybe they are planning new "innovations"
Remember: If you buy anything from spammers, you have a small penis.
Linux torvalds? Is he going to fight windows gates?
MS markets its programs to developers and business. Their claim to fame is that they are cheap, easier, and their stuff works well together. And most of use would agree, Microsoft products play well with other microsoft products (develope and deploy using Visual Studio. NET and IIS for example). And this is what they want to show at the show.
.NET services on Linux and other GNU systems. And it owuldn't be bad for them to open up their file formats, or better yet start a discussion for a new type of open document format.
What they should be showing at the show, however, is an easy implementation of
In conclusion, Linux is now a real business solution, and MS wants to be able to capitalize on it.
There is nothing wrong with being gay. It's getting caught where the trouble lies.
That the irrational exuberance or the dot com era is indeed, not dead. Like a dormant virus it occasionally rares its ugly head.
It also proves, yet again, that investment analysts are complete morons. No wonder the economy is in such a shambles.
Houston would like to make it perfectly clear that the company comes in peace.
How poor a memory does a cancer have?
When I was a kid, we only had one Darth.
When they stop countering samba they are welcome ;)
If their intent IS as good as it claims, then I say good for Microsoft. Of course, would them sticking their hands in Open Source make things better or worse? And IS their intent as good as it claims?
It depends on what your defintion of is is.
this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. -- Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
The bottom line is that VA has to take a life preserver from anyone who will throw one. They are a public company, so the bottom line is the only line.
It used to be free for the exhibition floor, and you only had to pay for the seminars. It's no longer, the exhibition is now $30.
Gee, I guess that will be the first year I'm not attending, even though I'm local. It's kinda hard to justify to pay just to get exposed to ads, isn't it?
For those with nothing better to do this afternoon... you can watch Sun's presentation via a webcast at 1pm EST here
Something tells me that the revenue they see from .NET services is about 0.00000001% of the revenue they see from licensing Windows and Office. They want you to use Windows but if you choose not to they still want some of your dollar.
Most uses aren't aware that there is choice, give them something and they'll use it, even if it breaks all the time and is crap.
:
In my experience
10% of people who buy something from a shop that doesn't work that well just bin it.
40% will use it even though it isn't fully functional
40% will take it back and get a replacement (or alternative if they know there is one)
5% will moan like hell and take the shop to court.
and the other 5% will fix it and have a fully functionally product.
If the user doesn't know that something is broken, or doesn't understand what they have there far less lightly to take it back.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Having Microsoft at LinuxWorld is like having a KKK booth at an African American rally!
The similarities are remarkable...
- Both lie, cheat, and steal to promote their messages.
- Both prey on ignorance, and then fill those gullible enough to listen with lies and FUD.
Microsoft, get the fuck out, until you can actually act with _honest_ integrity and play fair, you are not welcome. It will take some time to gain mine, and many others, trust. (if ever).
http://www.wehadthewayout.com
-- Windows security? Sure, which ONE would you like? -me
Speaking as someone who's worked with another RDBMS which uses memory based locking (Ingres) for over 10 years, I can say that this can scale and scale very well.
Your application designers need to have concurrency issues in mind - but then that tends to make for better applications anyway. There's more to concurrency than simply the number of locks available in the system.
Ingres has always used memory-based locking and has only been extended to 64-bit addressing in the last couple of years. There are people using Ingres with databases in the hundreds of Gb or higher and with thousands of concurrent sessions.
I guarantee that any system of that size Ingres, Oracle, DB2 or Bob's own DBMS would need to consider concurrency pretty carefully regardless of how locking is implemented.
And VA Software - Slashdot's owner - is moving Sourceforge.net to IBM's database software.
I think this is a much bigger story then linux kernel 2.34.56 is released, yet its a one liner? Next time you wanna bury a story throw it into a slashback or a jon katz story.
four-oh-four
Basically if it turns into a paid thing, SourceForge will be rid of all the dead, Stage One projects that have gone no where. It'll cut out all the deadweight that's just costing them money. I mean does the world need another mySQL-based MP3 playlist generator?
By turning it into a paid site, they'll get funding and get projects that are worth checking out. Might not make much sense from an OpenSource philisophy but then again, you can't pay the bills with doctrine.
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
I'm afraid you are out of date both these things are possible with DB2 UDB. I would also like to make the point that to me Free is not about $0. It's about not being locked into one vendor's product. That's why Richard Stallman started EFF in the first place. So support for standards is more important than price. It think databases highlight this. As long as I can get at my data and there are no roadblocks put in the way of changing to another vendor then I don't see a problem in making a choice based on function/price.
what's wrong with MySQL again?
Perhaps this is fixed in a version later than the one I'm using at work (although their website would seem to indicate otherwise), but the MySQL I'm using can't even handle a simple sub-select. It also lacks triggers and the like.
MySQL is a nice, fast database for doing simple queries, but if you want to do anything remotely complicated in pure SQL, you need to use something a bit more robust, feature-wise.
Lendrick
No, I do not believe Microsoft has any good intentions toward Linux. They have not been a trustworthy company for years (antitrust for nearly a decade).
I see their "Services for Unix" software to be part of a familliar Microsoft trick: interoperability for a few years, then a quick format switch. They are trying to entice users away from Unix. Don't believe anything else. It is an attempt to subvert the growing Linux phenomenon.
They are trying to win Linux developers over to Windows. Maybe we should try to win them over to Linux. Instead of vandalism or name calling, give them some Linux CDs when you pass their booth. Don't take their free stuff. They'll get the idea.
The memory will cost a fortune, that's the difference.
Wu-Tang Name: Half-Cut Skeleton Get your own Wu-Na
microsoft announces they'll have a booth at linuxworld.
sales of nerf weapons and super soaker water pistols rise to all-time highs.
Karma
do you remember the scene towards the end, which went something like this:
Jobs: you STOLE from us!
no, Steve, let me clue you in. You and I are like these two guys who both had this rich neighbour -- Xerox -- who always left his back door unlocked. And one day, you go sneaking in to steel the TV. only when you get there, you find out your too late -- I got there first Steve! I GOT THE LOOT!!. And now you want to screame and cry and say "that's not fair!! I wanted to try and steel it first!!" No Steve, it's over. You've lost.
Jobs: We're better than you are, you know. We have better stuff
Gates: When are you going to get it, Steve? That doesn't matter
Gates and Balmer turn and walk out.
There's still time to sponsor my attendance.
victim of collision on the open sea
nobody ever said that life was free
sink swim go down with the ship
but use your freedom of choice
i'll say it again in the land of the free
use your freedom of choice
in ancient rome there was a poem
about a dog who found two bones
he picked at one he licked the other
he went in circles till he dropped dead
freedom of choice is what you got
then if you got it you don't want it
seems to be the rule of thumb
don't be tricked by what you see
you got two ways to go
freedom from choice is what you want
That goatse guy cracks me up. And when I say "cracks me up" I mean "makes me want to gouge out my eyes".
Maybe simply not running the latest IIS on W2K is enough to show a lack of MS support.
The coolest voice ever.
There intent is more clearly seen in their increasingly draconian license agreements and continuing campaign of disinformation. And their continued resistance to making any changes in the face of an anti-trust conviction. A few years back, a friend of mine who was working on real-time Linux was at a trade show, and the Microsoft folks were there, friendly, and certainly interested. They asked a lot of questions, then asked if my friend would like to come work with microsoft. So good for them, they can show up and not tell lies to people's faces for a few days. This is clearly more of a PR stunt than any kind of change of heart. So if you're there at linuxworld - Please, Just ignore them!
It's not wasting time, I'm educating myself.
Appart from SELECTing data to generate the pages, the next most common action Slashdot does is INSERT. Since MySQL contains an "AUTOINCREMENT" metatype, the ID fields need not be calculated as a transation - MySQL will ensure that an appropriate key is generated when the INSERT is run.
There are several sections of Slashcode that do updates - but for the most part, they don't need transactions or anything too fancy. Multiple requests to change a single user's parameters are rather unlikely, and for the most part, editors are unlikely to update the same story at the same time.
Bottom line is that MySQL is more that sufficient for Slashcode. (Just like MySQL is fine for the above mentioned application, even though it uses Oracle in the "production" environment. Poorly.) There's no need to use a more robust database - Slashcode simply isn't really that intensive a DB application. In fact, it could probably be rewritten to use text storage files instead of a database. I'll bet it would be possible to store Slashcode information in a miriade of XML files. I wouldn't suggest it, but it might be possible...
With Slashcode 2, much of the database code was moved out into a module (which should speak to the speghettiness of the original design), helping to solve move most of the MySQL dependencies (most notably, AUTOINCREMENT everywhere and TEXT blocks as opposed to LONG VARCHAR which is the ANSI SQL standard) into a modular section that can be replaced.
With the Postgres Slashcode module, it should be possible to move Slashdot onto other databases. But for the most part, there's little need to move Slashdot to another database - MySQL is sufficient for it's needs.
A complete code rewrite, on the other hand... :)
(I think they should reimplement it in a Java servlet environment. Because Java is my hammer. Ow, my thumb!)
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
Peaceful coexistence appears to be Microsoft's new mantra.
Does this remind anyone else of that really bad ST:TNG episode with the parasites that looked like trilobytes? You know, the "Vitamins do wonders for the body" one where the trilobytes try to take over starfleet? "We seek peaceful coexistance"
-- Who is the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him? --
or 2pm EDT
I don't know mutch about either, but what about posgress?
I'll get flamed for this, but...
Microsoft would get a much better reception if they went to the expo with actual Linux products.
Think about it. They have (or have had) a copy of IE for linux kicking around internally. IE exists for other unixes (too lazy to go check which at the moment tho). They have a media player for unixes (or they did). Wouldn't it be nice if they went to the show and released those, or annouced something about them, rather than hawking Visual Studio
Just my
Their claims are pretty simple, really: we want to hang out with Linux folks so we can figure out how we can build as active and fervent a development community around Microsoft products in order to lock even more people into being our revenue drones.
Well, okay, the bit about "revenue drones" wasn't really stated. I threw that in for good measure.
Microsoft has come to the realization that people like to code. So, the next step for them is, "How do we get people to stop coding for competitor platforms and start coding for ours?" Understand your enemy and all that. So they set up a booth at LinuxWorld in order to better understand what motivates Joe Coder and the companies that have rallied around Linux to make the choices they do.
Once they have that figured out, they can then go back to Redmond HQ and have a discussion about what it would take, short of opening up source code, to get all these energetic coders on their side.
Free development tools? The fostering of an open code community (that is, open source code for individual 3rd party projects, not for Windows itself)? Releasing more information about Windows interfaces/methods/protocols so people can tie directly into Windows APIs for their projects (because using existing code in the OS will be easier than adapting other open source libraries, which means your task as a coder will be simplified - or so the spin will go)?
So, back to the original question, I think Microsoft's intent is as good as it claims. I just don't think they're claiming everything they have in mind. For Microsoft, the only final solution is to have no competition. In this case, they want to make Linux irrelevant by shifting open source developers to Windows.
There's no reason why this wouldn't work. There are already plenty of Win32 based GPL projects at SourceForge, few of which required any source from the Linux kernel. I think that's what Microsoft wants - they want to snag those types of developers who don't explicitly need access to the source of the operating system. They want to build a fervent, active, enthusiastic community of coders in order to make Windows looks as lively as Linux does right now.
Apologies for using "active" and "fervent" twice. I was typing around meetings. :)
http://www.mslinux.org/ was not a joke? ;)
You don't want to use Visual Studio, don't use it. Don't begrudge the SlashDot crew the opportunity to make some money, however. Do you want to pay for the privelege of using this site, a la Salon? Didn't think so.
t ml ] to see the positive spin this is all getting from the mainstream tech press. ...and, what, you think only MS-hating Linux-geeks frequent SlashDot? It ain't 1999 anymore. If you've been paying attention, you'll note this site is going a bit more mainstream in both the tech-news, the news-news, and the membership's postings. And with C-NET, et. al. going bankrupt, more power to 'em!
For this reason, I took it as a sign this place would be around for a while to come. Money makes the world go 'round, Ace. Count on the juvenile knee-jerk-anti-MS epithets to get modded into the sub-basement as Chairman Gates picks up more and more of the weekly pizza lunches. Small price to pay, I'm figuring.
Whoever thought up the idea of MS having a booth at Linux World is a friggin' genius, and is probably getting a big bonus right about now. You need look no further than today's WIRED [ http://www.wired.com/news/linux/0,1411,54489,00.h
"This isn't about trying to get people to move from Unix to Microsoft products, it's about offering ways for both systems to peacefully coexist," Houston stressed.
Of course, if it was a conference full of novices and managers, MS'd be saying:
"This is about trying to get people to move from Unix to Microsoft products, seeing the total value proposition of using the full suite of solutions from MS."
Slashdot: Failed Car Analogies. Amateur Lawyering. Anecdote Battles.
Pardon my ignorance, but what metadata are you
talking about?
I'd like to know what exactly the problem is so I can
consider implications for psdoom.
"I can't honestly say that I believe everyone at the show will be happy to see us," Houston said. "But I think most people will take our presence at LinuxWorld in the spirit in which it's intended -- a sincere attempt to open a positive dialog between Microsoft and the open-source development community."
Houston, we have a problem...
from the article:
"This isn't about trying to get people to move from Unix to Microsoft products, it's about offering ways for both systems to peacefully coexist," Houston stressed.
Then why aren't the office formats open?
AirSpeak - http://itunes.com/apps/AirSpeak
Aw, fuck it. Let's go bowling. - The Big Lebowski
And thank you!
Infuriate left and right
Had to laugh at linked article's sentence: "But McNealy admitted yesterday that Sun's dismissal of 32-bit processing was a mistake."
Most enterprises run their 64 bit capable Sun boxes in 32 bit mode (Solaris 2.5, 2.6 and the 32 bit kernel of 8.0). 64 bit mode breaks too many things for most businesses.
According to the Wired article:
/. crowd, since they love to hate the MPAA, RIAA and yet have a voracious appetite for their products. Corporations don't get power that they are not given.
And he added that if he could be granted one LinuxWorld wish, it would simply be that people attending the show would talk to him and his colleagues.
"Please come to the booth, converse, vent, tell us what you love about Linux and tell us what Microsoft is doing right and doing wrong," Houston said.
"Just please don't ignore us."
So remember, do everybody a big favor and ignore them.
I know that's hard for the
See any parallels!?!
Good to see that Sun believes in Linux enough to put some hardware effort behind it. I wasn't so sure, when I read this Sun article a ways back.
Linux on the Mainframe--Not a Good Idea
> "What you will see from Sun is a lot more attention paid to
> Linux on the desktop, because there is a lot more growth there
> than anyone is willing to suggest," said Jonathan Schwartz,
> executive vice president for Sun's software group.
This is in direct contrast to IBM's approach, and IMO it makes
sense for Sun, because it hurts a certain competitor with a very
large market share more than it hurts Sun. Think about it: Sun
doesn't want to commoditise the server market if they have any
brains, because that's where they make their money. But they
*do* want to commoditise the desktop market, because that will
prevent anyone from leveraging control of the desktop market
(since no one entity can control a commoditised market) to push
Sun (along with other competitors) out of the server market.
This is Sun being smart. *And* it's something the Linux
community really needs badly: a major desktop OEM.
Now, granted, this is highly speculative, since the product
they're unveiling right now is a low-end server. But I would
very much like to see Sun (or any major OEM -- sorry, WallMart
doesn't count as a major OEM) unveil an affordable Linux-based
desktop system.
It's different for IBM, because they make a lot of money on
the consulting and support end of the business, so that if
the server becomes a commodity, it doesn't hurt them really.
Sun has a bottom line in the server market to worry about,
but they can better afford to commoditise the desktop, since
that's a natural complement of the server.
Am I making any sense?
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
So the BMSS really boils down to an attempt at making money off of developers (according to the article). As an interesting side effect they wills show you the superiority of Windows but they're REALLY here to make peaceful contact and get you to buy Visual Studio .NET or whatever. (Because who says you can't sell stuff to your enemies, I mean even Slashdot does it by posting MS software ads.)
and no closeups. They all have bad skin
In all reality they have a stand to prompte their 1 degree of seperation sthick. In my issue of eWeek they have a advertisment:
How do you get your Windows Die hards to work with your Unix Zelots... 1 degree of seperation
(oddly the picture has 6 people on the windows side and 5 on the unix side just a little subliminal hint at which they think is better)
M$ seems to be trying to make a point that they do work with linux. I guess they're afraid of us.
-Ben
---PRESS ANY KEY TO CONTINUE---
"Now, where's the damn 'any' key?"
>"Microsoft has a booth at the Expo in the section >intended for "new, up-and-coming companies"
This is great news, because, as we all know,
90% of those exhibiting in that "up-and-coming"
section will be out of business in a year or two.
Irv
-- Many men would appreciate a woman's mind more if they could fondle it
Ms is going to try someting like what they did with GL, they are going to get there foot in to linux code some stuff copyright it have ppl use it, then wate till some major part of linux windws up with some MS code in it and then go around saying they owne linux and that we all have to pay for it. yes some ppl say they might be but i dont think so.
but on the other hand they might try and boost linux so the DOJ dont get them.
o well i think they want to take linux away
"Every time IBM says Linux, our phone rings." - Former CEO of VA, Larry Augustin.
Yes, I'm the real Abraham Lincoln.
I thought this was funny...two guys in red hats arguing with one of the Microsoft representatives about releasing the Windows source. One of them asked Mr. Microsoft if he'd ever looked at the Linux kernel source, to which he replied, "We're not allowed." ...
"The Initiative for Software Choice, which launched quietly in early May, is chaired by an industry body called the Computer Technology Industry Association (CompTIA), but its biggest software industry backer is Microsoft."
Tell that to RedHat, IBM, but no need to tell M$ or even yourself, since you and M$ already know so much.
Infuriate left and right
You are right-- users don't want flexibility (they don't want to read docs either), but administrators, developers, OEM's etc. do. That way, they can taylor the product to their customers. The end users then just end up with a moron-friendly interface, and that is what matters to them. The OEM's then have the incentive to reduce support costs trying all sorts of things. Read the Findings of Fact from the current Antitrust case against Microsoft for more in this.
So flexibility is always a virtue-- it is just that some people don't have to see it.
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-949527.html
This just in guess it is good to play both sides of fence
Don't people still remember This ?
echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln80~Psnlbx]16isb572CCB9AE9DB03273snlbxq' |dc
Which you don't seem to know much about either, as you can't even spell it right.. :)
*hint* PostgreSQL *hint*
Well, postgresql is what sourceforge.net is currently running. I doubt they'll change either, I think this announcement was about sourceforge enterprise edition, which is the thingy va software tries to sell to companies.
There is a big fat warning on that page. But if you follow the link and read it, it might be too late. Trust me, it is for your own sake I post a copy of the warning here:
The goatse.cx lawyer has informed us that we need a warning! So.. if you are under the age of 18 or find this photograph offensive, please don't look at it. Thank you!
Do you care about the security of your wireless mouse?
Yep.
Raymond's got enough now to afford a classic VW Beetle Convertible.
Not a restored one, mind you...
on one hand you have all this cool sun stuff for linux, and on the other you have this article
hrrmmm ... makes you wonder
Where most are happily running Internet Explorer on Windows. Check the user agents that appear in the logs of anyone who's been Slashdotted.
well i guess if IBM doesnt pick up on this blatant move to get them to buy VA rea^H^H^H lin^H^H^H soft^H^H^H^H BM, they can always reimplement SourceForge in .asp and SQLServer and try the only other company with cash...
four-oh-four
I want to move off of sourceforge because it's in the US, because my project involves reverse engineering and Im just about to do some decription code(just an XOR) but there's potential problems with DMCA FBI and all that.
So i would like to know where are the Savannah servers based.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
They just dimmed the lights, telling people to leave as the first day of the exhibition floor draws to a close.
McNealy's keynote focused on establishing the image of Sun as a significant supporter of the open-source community through efforts like OpenOffice.org. He also said they are committed to LSB support for their Linux distro, and they have no intention of establishing incompatibility. I thought the most surprising announcement he made is that Sun is introducing the LX50, an **X86** server! He said they will ship with both Linux (Sun Linux I assume) and Solaris, leaving the user to choose. He didn't say much of anything about Sun ONE.
He said one of Sun's strategies will be to make their products "Integratable," as opposed to "Integrated." The idea being that you have the ability to swap out any part of their software and use a different product -- free or proprietary -- in its place. He contrasted this with Microsoft (whom he mocked throughout) who "swore under oath that if you remove this one little program (the web browser) the whole thing will break and they'll have to take it off the market."
I saw the Google guy's (can't remember his name) keynote also. Can't think of anything to say about it, a lot of it was just "we have tons of computers, here are the problems we face."
The Microsoft booth is plugging a new product of theirs called Services for Unix. Win32 works as a subsystem of the NT kernel through an undocumented interface. Services for Unix is an implentation of POSIX (with SysV IPC, shm, pipes, mmap, signals, etc) that works at the same level as Win32, as opposed to Cygwin that runs on top of Win32. Pricing is $99, $39 academic. The current version doesn't support pthreads, but the next one will.
The Microsoft booth reads "Community. Interoperabilty. Flexibility."
Speaking of going more mainstream, I would probably fall under that(I know, kill the n00b!). But seriously, I dont own a nux box of any time, fiddled with it before, yes, but nothing I didnt revert for one reason or another. I use XP, I played sports(fball and track) in high school(going to college first year 25th, w00t), and wouldnt be a linux-geek I guese. Geek? Yea, probably. I have two boxes running Windows systems (xp,98biz). My point? I am here because I find the high level of the posts here extremely interesting. There are some gems sprinkled liberally through each news posting. Thats why I am hear, not because I am an MS Hating Linux geek.
"Employing linux is harzardous, because advocates and those that you would need to employ to maintain it are childish and ignorant of corporate ethics"
"Corporate Ethics" - now there's a concept, or is it a oxymoron?
* * Always question "the National Interest" - 9 times out of 10 it is a cover for evil
I tried to register for the show using Konq. The site has some browser checking to allow Netscape & IE only. Is the site being run by the GNOME fans :>) (just kidding)
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/linuxworldexpo/v31/i ndex.cvn?ID=10002&p_navid=1
If you were truly concerned about the potential interpretations of your post, perhaps you should have checked Slash 1 against the current CVS tree. (I'd also like to see your version of the SQL commands which would be faster with subselects.) A good benchmark is much more difficult than a frantic hand-waving.
how to invest, a novice's guide
you couldn't have said it good enough. open source is bad for the economy.
First M$ is really invading... I pull up a page covering LW and get an add for .net. Ok on with what I saw.
.org land. Caldera has a corner of one of the majors displays. I couldn't find Mandrake although they are supposed to be in a corner somewhere as well. Although Ximain isn't a distro it's worth noting that they too are lacking in presence.
1. One this is missing... Distros. Red hat and SuSe are there with full (but smaller) booths and that's pretty much it. Debian has a table in
2. The most sought out booth is the Zaurus Booth with Sharp. They are selling like mad. Expecially since the price is heavily discounted from retail. Neat new toys as well, Like a roll up keyboard being demo'd in Beta form.
3. The jugglers and magicians of old are gone. This year it's about business. The number of visibly Geek individuals has dropped. Although ties aren't being worn except by the security team,the dresscode is definitly turning yuppy in it's look and feel. Whereas in 99 in San Jose it was somewhat of a party atmosphere this year it's much more business like. As a result the feel is that Linux is operating from strength not from the hip. Over all, the feeling is much richer and Linux feels solid and real. Gone is M$ bashing to get attention. (Although M$ is heavy into Linux bashing.) Linux is playing from strength not from attitude. In fact the fact that M$ is in the rookery really does add to the impression that they are a minor player and Linux is the dominate life form.
5. They had in the past rest areas where you could plug in your laptop and geek out. This year the rest area is designed for getting together with companies and talking business. The floor is crowded with people unlike the graveyard feel it had last year.
6. The show is smaller than last year. Less hype. One major player is now combined with another. (HP and Compaq) Companies are less intrested in being the biggest and more intrested in delivering hard numbers, and proven technology. If you are looking to get your geek on by checking out cool new hardware and software of the never to come future. This is not the show for you. IF however you are intrested in how to deploy Linux to best serve the needs of your company or organization. Come and bring lot's of room to take notes.
7. Swag --- We don't need no stinkin' Swag In the past my kid loved it when Daddy came back from LW because he got all kinds of neat things to play with. This year, the swag is limited as heck . Mostly product brochures and data sheets. A geek coming to LW with one T-Shirt will most likely leave with just one, unless he buys it. No dancing penguins, no daemon girls, no booth fluff. The people in the booths actually know the product and are willing to discuss it. This definitly isn't a Comdex clone.
8. OSDN is to be commended on one thing. They have brought the speeches and discussions out of the back halls and into the main halls. An exciting and informative list of people from all over the Linux map are deliverying seminars on the Main floor. Every one of them is well attended and very informative. Kudos to OSDN on this move.
9. No Dust Puppy *sniff*
10. All in all I must say this IBM + Linux has created a culture in Linux that is less Silicon Valley hype than normal and Less stuffed shirt than the IBM of old, Picked up and carried forward by HP Sun and others to the point that DESPITE Washington DC and the Bush league players a solid well organized movement has really just begun.
I'm sorry, I'm to tired to be witty at the moment so this message will have to do.
I think IBM just wanted to win the hearts of linux fans for when they all realize theres no money to be made in OSS they choose IBM. (btw, IBM will prove to wallstreet that oss isn't good for long term investments)
Certain death status has been attained.
I'd expect that if people didn't fake their refferrers then the numbers would be much different, I'm using Opera ATM but am emulating IE5.5.
/* FUCK - The F-word is here so that you can grep for it */
it would be better to nuke the windoze machine first ;)
then go and watch the fun !!
To top it off, the CEO of Sun is giving the keynote about how great Linux is and how committed Sun is to it. I'm sure the folks at IBM and HP snickered during McNealy's speech.
I think that August 13th, 2002 is an important date for all of us who have been "fighting the good fight", trying to raise awareness and make in-roads into conventional high-tech markets.
In a sense, I think we just won.
--rc
Then why are MS, IBM, et al selling the stuff, I wonder?
Could it be that they don't care about what's "good for the economy"??
Or perhaps they're just doing what is in their own best interest, which is what some of us believe that, when more people are permitted to do that as they see fit, makes for a better economy?
(It is really funny to read and hear about how terrible open source, especially GPL, software is for the world, the economy, the American capitalist system, etc., especially from Microsoft, while they sell the stuff -- including GPL'ed software I wrote!! -- out of the other side of their mouth! MS: "This GPL stuff is dangerous, but we can't stop selling it! Somebody stop us please!" LOL.)
Practice random senselessness and act kind of beautiful.