Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex Trailer

tetsuo13 writes "Bandai Entertainment Inc. in conjunction with Production I.G. has acquisition of the home video and broadcast rights in North America for the highly anticipated anime television series - Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. Created by Production I.G., original story by Masamune Shirow, directed by Kenji Kamiya, and music by Yoko Kanno Stand Alone Complex is the television series sequel to the animated film that redefined Japanese animation, Ghost in the Shell. A trailer was released a few short days ago for those that just can't wait!! Get it here (45 MB download)."

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When it gets slashdotted...

[thelinuxking]

For those who can't wait, they will have to wait several more days to be able to download the 45 mb trailer.

Re:When it gets slashdotted...

[Anonymous Coward]

Is it just me, or do people who like japanese animation remind you of Woody Allen-like pedophiles? Tight little japanese girls.. hmmm.

Re:When it gets slashdotted...

[zero2k]

Except the chick in GITS was broad and had a figure, which differs from all those other little anime gals. This is one of those flicks that sculptured the female figure beautifully.

Re:When it gets slashdotted...

[Anonymous Coward]

Damn straight. Brittany Spheres in a Catholic getup singing on MTV? Pedophilia material. Straight up!

Really, are you *that* damn insecure in your identity that you are nosing in others when no wrong has been done?

You another timid supporter of the CPPA/COPA? Or someone who believes first person shooters makes a person go shoot up a local post office? You have no accountability of yourself and simply fear because an image is portrayed that makes you uncomfortable that you must state "oh, this suggests something is, umm, wrong"? Poor, small minded soul. Yeah, you and Ashcroft think that. Compound that with the US has this dominating opinion that the only figure that is barbie-like, or daisey fuentes, or whatever is the correct figure.

State driven ideas on what sexual attributes one must identify in their mate. Like government hasn't fuq'd up...sorry, screwed up...scratch that...messed up...hmmm, been in error enough already that we need federalism more so in the bedroom (or back of the Volkswagon).

Look, physical attributes do not correlate well with mental maturity. Not all mature women are large breasted. Not all are medium to large builds. Not all cultures get sold on sex as much as the US culture does; not all cultures that do sell images of sex to sell unrelated products even use the same visual stimuli as we do. Maybe we like 38DDs silicon catalopes, maybe they like 34s natural, maybe another like As. Heck, even looking at US female icons, in the last half century, the ideal has been to slim down and diversify (compare Marilyn Monroe to supermodel, say, Yasmin Parvaneh)--reasons being for health, openness, Title IX, or because we males are becoming more perverse? (I think the first three.)

There is a reason why the women's section has a petite section. (I know you don't like shopping with your mom, sister, or girlfriend or whoever, but there is such a section.) There are those that even argue that developmentally, women are evolutionarily made out to be more like children, with their smaller stature and higher voices (relative viewpoint, given males could be less like children for opposite reasons) so that males would be more protective of them (which opens up another confusing door--sex, relationships, and physical protection).

Men are somewhat (well, check that, in western culture) more visually stimulated by certain attributes that japanimation (since anime, to some, is a more sexually perverse word) utilizes (not entirely sure if intentional or not--I think it is but not in the way westerners identify--given my limited understanding that visual stimuli, particular nakedness, is less inclined to be sexual in japanese culture; then again, nakedness is more a state than a sexual attribute).

Pedophiles prey on children. That is, mentally mature person preying on mentally immature person. Or, put another way, one person dominating and deciding in a sexual encounter where there is a large mental and emotional difference between the individuals.

In my mind, age and physical attributes are societally accepted but horribly inaccurate determining factors of the maturity of the individual; it's not the age or even lawful definition of adult or child that determines whether a person is a child or not, but their emotional and mental makeup (in this case, less developed, aka immaturity). I do not consider a 19 year old adult who has sex with a 17 year old girl a pedophile. I consider a physically mature 16 old male having sex with a 8 year old a pedophile. I do not consider a 24 yo male having sex with a 23 yo flat-chested, petite, 5'1" female a pedophile. I do not consider a 34 yo male in a relationship with an intelligent, emotionally stable 19 yo a pedophile.

If you think anime presents possibly pedophilia issues, maybe you need to revisit your evaluation on what makes a person an adult versus a child, and what is driving your sexual inclinations--adn if it is for everyone. Pedophilia is wrong; seeing a cute, Asian girl that is college aged is not (unless you're like an 8 year old male, in which case tell your teacher or principal about the relationship asap).

fp

[Anonymous Coward]

Fp?

Alas, already gone.

[Seth Morabito]

The story's not two minutes old, and the trailer is already missing.

The fastest slashdotting ever?

(And on an unrelated topic, will Apple report that their G4 can slashdot faster than light?)

Re:Alas, already gone.

[fastlink]

This link won't go! ;-)

Download the trailer HERE!

Have fun!
FastLink

Re:Alas, already gone.

[Anonymous Coward]

Amazing speed, dude!

Re:Alas, already gone.

[Anonymous Coward]

I want a link like this!

Re:Alas, already gone.

[Z3us]

And the Zeus Web Server strikes again! Apache just can't handle it.

Re:Alas, already gone.

[Cond0r]

Another mirror (.be , 6 mbit/s) can be found HERE Note: if connection load gets too high, the file might disappear.

working link?

[NMerriam]

fastest...slashdotting...ever...

just a dead link

[Anonymous Coward]

don't think it got slashdotted that quick, plus the error msg is for a dead link, rest of the site comin in fine...

No slashdot...

[koali]

The link didn't work a wee ago.

Re:No slashdot...

[Anonymous Coward]

got up, took a piss, next thing i knew the link didnt work!

other stuff to download

[Anonymous Coward]

for those who are disappointed with the slashdotted server, here are some other links to some fun stuff...

http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/documentaries.html

The link says 404... So maybe it is down. nt

[aepervius]

no text.

I hope it subtitled

[evilned]

Ghost in the Shell was the anime movie that made me realize how evil english dubs can be. The movie made no sense at all with the english dubbed version, it just seemed like a visual treat, with some sort of philosophical substance that I wasnt getting However, when I finally got a chance to watch it in japanese with subtitles, it finally made sense, it still wasnt philosophically meaty, but I didnt feel that the movie was just an excuse to draw the major naked. Either way, the animation was brilliant, and since the series will prolly be on DVD, I can have my subtitles and japanese voices.

Re:I hope it subtitled

[Dixie_Flatline]

As I recall, actually, the movie was ORIGINALLY produced in English, and later dubbed into Japanese. I've seen both versions, and they're both pretty inpenetrable. Make no mistake, though. I loved it, and I love Masamune Shirow.

As for the Major being naked, if you read the comic, she spends a lot more time naked there. (Well, sorta. There are some deleted scenes.)

Re:I hope it subtitled

[Anonymous Coward]

You recall incorrectly. Very incorrectly.

Re:I hope it subtitled

[Anonymous Coward]

No, I remember it being this way as well, because they could not get any japanese studio to make it. I think it's in the afterword of one of the last manga issues.

Re:I hope it subtitled

[Anonymous Coward]

I am also pretty sure that this is just a myth.

Re:I hope it subtitled

[nhavar]

This is really for all of you replying to this thread! WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Sorry got caught up in all the "no, YOUR wrong" going back and forth.

Everything that I've read about GitS says that it was a simultaneous release for Japan/Brit/USA. Reviewers talked about how ambitious it was to do such a thing given that every other movie in the world does staged releases based on geography.

Re:I hope it subtitled

[doc modulo]

You could also say that she wasn't naked.

I'm unsure if the missing genitals in the movie were censorship or that she simply doesn't need genitals.

In the (uncensored) comic she had sex in cyberspace, on a sailboat, in a tropical setting, with 2 other women :)

Re:I hope it subtitled

[testadicazzo]

I'm a big anime fan. I consider the dubbing on DVD's a kind of bonus. I usally watch the first run in japanese with subtitles. Then the second time I watch in english dub with subtitles. It's often a blast to see how differnent the two versions are.

Re:I hope it subtitled

[Cryptnotic]

This is simply not true. The Ghost in the Shell (Koukaku Kidoutai) manga was written in Japanese, then translated into English, with some pages deleted which contained some virtual reality lesbian sex. The English version of the manga probably DID come out before the Japanese version of the movie, but the Japanese version of the movie came out before the English version. In the United States, the English verison of the movie was released to theatres. The VHS home video release may have been English-only. I don't remember. I'm pretty sure the English laserdisc version had the Japanese language track, though. Most people didn't get to see the subtitled version until the DVD release. Of course, this is all very ironic, since the movie takes place mostly in Hong Kong.

You may be thinking of the recent "Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust". That film was originally written for and dubbed in English. The Japanese release was the English dub with Japanese subtitles. There were plans to do a Japanese dub, but I don't know if that ever happened or not. It isn't really important either way.

Re:I hope it subtitled

[Anonymous Coward]

I agree somewhat. I found Ghost in the Shell quite disorienting in English and no subtitles.

However, I found I could watch it in Japanese, no subtitles as well as with subtitles. English with subtitles was a bit better than just English without subtitles, but not much so. Not that the English voice acting was bad, but it seemed the Japanese language made more sense for the given scenes (or maybe I believed conveyed).

Maybe the japanese had a calming effect. Or maybe language sort of got in the way of the movie with so much visual and non-speaking audio (e.g. music) stimulation.

Re:I hope it subtitled

[esper_child]

Actually i have a subtitled VHS of it here. Watched it once, was more than enough of it for me. I personally loved the manga but greatly disliked the movie. I am not really sure if it was just the fact that the movie made little or no sense, or if it had something to do with the guys artwork (I am not really a fan of the movies art style, don't get me wrong though the art was good, just not my style).

Re:I hope it subtitled

[elveu]

actually GITS was origianlly produced in english. there was a japanese dub created early on but the original was in english
actually it was one of the few animes where the english version was better then the japanese one. i've watched both and foudn the japanese to be sadly quite a let down, i usually watch anime in japanese and am easily irritated by poor dubs but i've only watched GITS in japanese once, after seeing it once i decided to watch it in english from that point on.

Re:I hope it subtitled

[Dixie_Flatline]

Nobody will dispute the release order of the manga. Masamune Shirow primarily works in Japanese, and has to go through Studio Proteus and Dark Horse to have his stuff translated into English.

However, all news that I heard in the past, when leading up to the release, and by googling around, it appears that it enjoyed a simultaneous release in Britain, the US, and Japan. This means that if English production wasn't formost on the list, it was a serious consideration for release. However, I can easily believe that the show was animated with English voice acting in mind. For once, the cadence of speech and synching with the characters doesn't seem brutally out of place or rushed.

Personally, I wish the GitS-mania would dissipate so Shirow could finish up Appleseed, which I've always felt was the better story. I suppose GitS appeals more strongly to geeks and hackers, but Appleseed has more human characters (even Briareos is more human than Motoko, it seems!) and a better fleshed out universe. But I digress...

Re:I hope it subtitled

[Anonymous Coward]

Shirow won't finish Appleseed.
Shirow often doesn't finish his stories.
He writes such intricate scenarii, that he gets
lost within the details, and gets bored with
finishing them.
He said so himself.

was /.ed yesterday

[thesupermikey]

This story found its way into yesterdays story on the animatrix. The link was dead in that story as well. And the site itself does not have a link to the trailer....

read into that what you will

Sweetie...

[E-Rock-23]

Ghost is one of the best films I've seen, Anime or otherwise. And given that it doesn't suffer from Dragonball GT syndrome (aka its actually written by Masamune Shirow), I'm looking forward to the series. Any info on number of eps, seiyuu, etc? Gotta know how many DVDs to budget when they're released...

Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

I know this will get modded as a troll, or flamebait or whatever, and I don't care.

Basically, if you want to watch Anime in it's native form, you have to learn Japanse. Not only because the English translations are less accurate than running the whole script through Google's automatic translator, then displaying the ASCII text on an EBCDIC machine *without* any translation, but because generally, you have to be able to understand Japanese culture to fully appreciate a lot of the finer points, (that's one huge reason *why* the English versions are edited so heavily - the original would not appeal to a large percentage of the English-speaking audience, (apparently)).

Even if you don't bother to learn the Japanese language very well, (which I could understand, because it's not something to be done overnight), at least learn *some*, and read up about life in Japan. There is an excellent book published by, I think, Kodansha, which is in Japanese and English, which basically tells you everything you would ever need to know about life in Japan. Imagine it as the Japanese-culture equivillent to *nix manual pages, and that's it. It's excellent. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the name of the book, and I am too lazy to walk 1 yard over to the bookshelf to look, but just search on Google for it, and I'm sure you'll find it.

Re:Learn Japanese

[realmolo]

People that learn the Japanese language to watch fucking CARTOONS are geeky beyond all hope.

Get a life.

Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

Basically, if you want to watch Anime in it's native form, you have to learn Japanse

Do you think this is true only of anime, only of Japanese? There's a whole world out there, beyond the States' borders, and they make plenty of good movies which will be misunderstood if you don't know their culture.

Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

Some people would say that learning, especially with the intention of better understanding a different culture so that you can enjoy their forms of entertainment, might be what "get a life" is all about. Other people think it means "get laid".

Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh cool, I, (the original poster), am geeky beyond all hope!!! Cool!!!

Actually, apart from learning the basics from books, I learnt most of my *vocabularly* from Anime(!), which is a bit worrying, I suppose :-/.

Re:Learn Japanese

[CheshireCat]

And there would be nothing wrong with learning another language to watch a live action film? Or to read a book? What makes "fucking CARTOONS" less wortwhile than some other form of art or entertainment from another culture?

Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

It must have been a great book if you can't be bothered go one yard to see it OR remember the title. What a recommendation. Troll.

Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey, I learned English from King's Quest V. Rock on :)

Re:Learn Japanese

[realmolo]

I'm all for appreciating the art of other countries/cultures in their original language. But I doubt that these guys who spent a summer learning Japanese to watch NGE in it's original form are reading Japanese novels. It's the equivalent of learning to speak Spanish so you can have a good time in Tiajuana, and that's it. It makes you look like a poseur to the natives.

Re:Learn Japanese

[ErMaC]

OK Since I'm currently in Japan, currently speak Japanese, and am an insane anime fan (please don't slashdot my homepage) I can sort of speak on this subject with at least some sense that I know what I'm talking about.

I will agree that learning Japanese will benefit your enjoyment and understanding of Japanese, especially of Japanese culture. You can tell who these people are when they laugh at the scene in TenchiMuyo OVA ep1 where Aeka sneezes right after Ryoko talks (those who've seen it know what I'm talking about). Cultural nuances like that will fall on deaf... eyes, unless you provide liner notes or something. Also there are plenty of things in Japanese which just do not translate. There is no good way to translate the fact that certain people in Scyed talk in Keigo all the time. There is no good way to translate the pun in Puni Puni Poemi involving 80 gram breasts (and it's a brilliant pun).

However, that's absolutely no basis to say that learning Japanese is a necessary requirement for watching Anime. A good subtitler (like I am, I'd like to believe) will spend a whole lot of time to get things just right, and to communicate as much information as possible in the most natural way with losing as little from the original as possible. A good subtitling job can usually provide 95% of the meaning, tone, and nuance of the original. There are plenty of ways to translate things which give you a very good idea of what's going on, and to say that watching raw is necessary is just rediculous.

Would I not watch film just because I'm not familiar with Goddard's New Wave editing technique? No - that's silly. Would I not drive a car if I didn't know what the inner workings of my timing belt were? No.

Would I not use a computer if I didn't know the source code for my operating system by heart? No.

That's analogous to what you're saying. Even if you cannot get the complete 100% picture doesn't mean you can't enjoy it, grow from it, and then from that maybe decide it would be a good idea put in the effort to find out what that bit you're missing is.

Various other responses:
To the obvious troll. Jesus man, you'd learn C just so you could hack your operating system? Get a life!

About the mention of vocabulary in Anime: That's a bunch of bullocks. Anime's vocabulary, style, and everything else about its speech is generally on par with Japanese people. Take a look at American television. Does everyone there talk in really funky accents and use huge amounts of slang? No. Could you imagine Dan Rather saying "Next in dis hizzouz we be hitting up our home skillit down in Tehran for a breaking news up-dizzate!" Japanese television has people talking in just that - Japanese. Anime is no exception. In fact Anime is closer to the actual way Japanese people talk since most (almost all) of the time, it's fiction, and therefore the characters in it are suppose to be talking like real people, as opposed to the newscaster whose pronunciation has to be immaculate before they let him or her infront of the camera.

Re:Learn Japanese

[Burl Ives]

You must be one of those arseholes who demands people post in raw or subtitled only in a.b.m.anime. I hate you people.

I watch quite a bit of anime. Clearly I appreciate it. A decent dub lets me concentrate on the ART and ANIMATION, which is what I like about anime.

I even took a bit of japanese in college, and I honestly don't think it adds anything to my understanding or appreciation (because I don't remember a lick), which get along quite fine in english, thanks.

Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't totally know what you are implying, but modern Spanish literature (In my humble opinion) simply isn't enough a reason to learn Spanish. Most of the titles I've had the opportunity to pick up are little more than sleazy romance novels. Now, if you're in it to read the classics, you will find some good stuff(Don Quixote, for example), and a ton of religious bullshit too. For whatever reason (fear of religious persecution, I imagine) there just aren't alot of meaty classic Spanish native novels.

Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

You are an ass. There is really no other way to say it. If you are really so offended by someone learning japanese just so that they can watch anime in its original form then maybe it is YOU who need to get a life.

Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

...And people that write "get a life" flames are retarded beyond all hope and need to get a life.

Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

Wrong. I did, and I am. And the most hardcore anime fans I've met were in my advanced-level Japanese course.

Re:Learn Japanese

[RickHunter]

A good subtitling job can usually provide 95% of the meaning, tone, and nuance of the original. There are plenty of ways to translate things which give you a very good idea of what's going on, and to say that watching raw is necessary is just rediculous.

For an extreme example of this, pick up the ADV Excel Saga DVD and flip on the Menchi notes. They point out most of the hard-to-spot (and occasionally very high-speed) visual gags and explain a bunch of the jokes. Even when it takes several paragraphs to do so. (You just have to either pause or read really, really fast. ;) ) A lot of fansubbers will do the same thing, although its rare for a commercial sub to point them out unless (like Excel Saga) they're the entire point of the show.

Oh, and what Tenchi episode were you talking about again? Aeyka doesn't even appear in Ep1 - I think the bit you refer to is in Ep2 or 3. And that's easy to pick up with even a bit of understanding of Japanese culture. (And it is indeed amusing)

Re:Learn Japanese

[Nicopa]

You really know nothing, there's lot of good literature written in Spanish. Borges, Cortázar, García Márquez...

Re:Learn Japanese

[Saeger]

I've got a very short list of Japanese that I've learned from watching Anime:

• Watashi = I
• Nani? = what?
• Nanda? = same as 'what' I think.
• Nano? = where am I?
• Daymo = but
• mushi mushi = hello
• Un-o = excuse me

Pretty sad... that's it.

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Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not worth my while. If anime, a so-called art form, cannot translate well then it is not an true art form.

Personally, I think anime is such garbage that I instantly dislike anyone who professes to be a fan. I think they are immature, childish losers.

Re:Learn Japanese

[domninus.DDR]

How can you learn that but not learn baka? you baka.

Re:Learn Japanese

[Longinus]

Oh my God, it's Justin Ermac! Hey man, I love all your AMV's, they're by far the best stuff out there. Keep up the good work!

Re:Learn Japanese

[Have Blue]

There is a ((slightly) more) acceptable compromise featured on the Excel Saga DVDs. ADV calls them "vid-notes", and what they are is pop-up-video-style notes that explain the nuances that got left out. When Excel pulls some gag that makes absolutely NO sense in English I can at least read the note that says "This is a hilarious pun in Japanese" and know what I'm missing.

Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

Screaming souls and shades of doom
Bodies shine and blame for gloom
Everyone seems out of phase
The public only stops to gaze

We're only Japanese
Japanese bodies

Sell your soul to your master
The body heat will flow faster
Everything will start to shrink
The brain will crumble just to think

The persuation ability seems to be the only way
Men of power can get even more powerful
More powerful

Thoughts of the last warrior
There can only be one carrier
Drinking water with deadly poison
Then accused for high treason

We're only Japanese
Japanese Bodies

Re:Learn Japanese

[ErMaC]

Umm, thanks. ^_^ And yes it was Tenchi muyo ep2 and not ep1, my mistake.

Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

There's something your Japanese culture man pages won't tell you. That's this: boku no keiken ni yoru to hotondo no nihonjin wa nihongo ga dekiru gaijin yori nihongo ga dekinai gaijin ga suki.
When you get deeper into Japanese culture you'll see that that's true. So don't even DARE call me a troll. Until you understand that, you're as someone said "a poseur". BTW, i did study those 1850 Toyo Kanjis. I also studied the Joyo Kanjis to make up the difference. So, i know whereof i speak.

Jay S. Lazlo

Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

When you attain the satori of my previous post then you should go and read the book "Zakennayo". It will be your Japanese survival guide.

Jay S. Lazlo

Re:Learn Japanese

[GreyDuck]

OK Since I'm currently in Japan, currently speak Japanese, and am an insane anime fan (please don't slashdot my homepage) I can sort of speak on this subject with at least some sense that I know what I'm talking about.

[shameless plug] He's also one helluva AMV creator. Dig through animemusicvideos.org for ErMaC videos.[/shameless plug]

I will agree that learning Japanese will benefit your enjoyment and understanding of Japanese, especially of Japanese culture. You can tell who these people are when they laugh at the scene in TenchiMuyo OVA ep1 where Aeka sneezes right after Ryoko talks (those who've seen it know what I'm talking about). Cultural nuances like that will fall on deaf... eyes, unless you provide liner notes or something. Also there are plenty of things in Japanese which just do not translate. There is no good way to translate the fact that certain people in Scyed talk in Keigo all the time. There is no good way to translate the pun in Puni Puni Poemi involving 80 gram breasts (and it's a brilliant pun).

I invite you to try, now that you've made us all curious, ErMaC. =)

Oddly enough, I picked up on there being something about Aeka's sneeze in episode 2 and made reference to it in my [shameful plug] Tenchi Muyo Thumbnail Theater. [/shameful plug] "Aeka: *sneeze* Are my ears burning, or is it just hot in here?" I guess if you watch enough anime and are looking for cultural stuff, you'll pick up a few things.

Re:Learn Japanese

[icemind]

Hope you don't mind if I refine that a little - not trying to be a jerk, it's cool you picked all that up, I'm just trying to convince myself here that what little Japanese I've remembered from years of learning is actually occasionally useful ;)

> "Watashi = I"

Yep. "Boku" can also mean the same, though only guys use boku. I think.

> "Daymo = but"

"Demo" actually.

> "mushi mushi = hello"

"Moshi Moshi". As far as I know this is ONLY used when they pick up the phone, first thing. It's like when we pick up and say "Hello?" but they only use it on the phone. Weird, I know.

> "Un-o = excuse me"

Do you mean "Anoh"? I think they tend to us this like we use "Uhhhh". Excuse me is "sumimasen".

Pete

Re:Learn Japanese

[GMontag451]

Its been a while since I took Japanse, but let me correct you on a few points.

Watashi and nani are correct, but nan da (notice the space) isn't exactly the same as nani. Nan da is a shortening (read informal use) of nan desu ka which basically means "What is it?"

I don't remember "nano" and "daymo" is impossible (you can't have a y without a following vowel like that), but hello is "moshi moshi" and the word you are looking for for excuse me is "ano" which is also used for "um" and just about any other time you would want to say something similiar.

Re:Learn Japanese

[Saeger]

Thanks. But I figured the english spelling of Japanese script wasn't that important as long as it sounds right. Even your corrections aren't that helpful since I wouldn't know the right way to pronounce it without little carets and bars and such over the vowels. That, and there's no way to spell out how asians "hock a loogey" while talking. :)

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Re:Learn Japanese

[Saeger]

Honto?

Oshaberi!

Damare-yo!

Stolen from here ... :)

thanks - I got the impression that 'ano' was the same as excuse me since was almost always used to the same effect in getting someone's attention.

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Re:Learn Japanese

[Saeger]

Baka ka!

Nan-dayo omae-wa?! :)

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Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

Animeigo does a good job of producing liner and cultural notes asinserts into the cases, that way you dotn have the screen cluttered with notes, and you can at your leasure get a little more information. Explaining some thing be they Puns or Cultural issues can take several paragraphs.

Re:Learn Japanese

[Anonymous Coward]

If your so into the art, why not buy it instead of pirating it off the net?

Re:Learn Japanese

[ccwf]

GMontag451 writes:

I don't remember "nano" and "daymo" is impossible (you can't have a y without a following vowel like that)

The original poster (Saeger) doesn't know accepted romanizations. As others have pointed out, "daymo" means (de mo). I admit to being stumped by "nano", however; my best guess is that the poster meant (nani o), which means "what" as a direct object.

Would you enjoy 200,000 geeks leeching 45Mb, Taco?

[tuxedo-steve]

Okay. A link to a file which will no doubt be extremely popular has just been posted on the front page, and it's 45 fricking megabytes. The /. effect on a news site or whatever is one thing; being totally inconsiderate to the poor sod who's hosting that file is quite another.

Save it for the P2P nets, kids. This is a real good example of where we should be using them legitimately.

45 MB!!!????

[HungWeiLo]

Oh, it's standalone...so 15-20MB of the trailer is the embedded QuickTime binaries? Oh wait...

Re:45 MB!!!????

[Anonymous Coward]

huh? WTF are you ranting about? ITS AN MPEG!!!

I feel a great disturbance in the force

[Raul654]

As if a hundred sysadmins were cried out in great pain, and were suddenly silenced.

Re:I feel a great disturbance in the force

[salmo]

More appropriately it would be "I feel a whisper in my ghost." And then in English there would be a comment about how my wires are messed up, but in the Japanese version the english subtitles would make a crack about how it must be that time of the month.

Re:I feel a great disturbance in the force

[MagPulse]

Actually according to this newsgroup post, that link's been down since yesterday morning anyway.

Found it

[MagPulse]

Click the link below the trailer header: http://www.sa.sakura.ne.jp/~straydog/oshii/gits-sa c/index.html

Re:Found it

[Anonymous Coward]

Already dead
Anyone mirrored it yet?

Re:Found it

[flaez]

look in the source. the link is
commented out. I got the file, it's just
35M but it seems to be the thing
(compressed further, maybe?)

anyway, I renamed it to koukaku.mpg
and put it on gnutella - dare you to find
it there in case the /gits-sac/ link goes down!

Re:Found it

[Anonymous Coward]

w00t ! Wicked :)

Off topic -- anyone knows how to do a "Save As" on a link you paste directly into the mozilla URL bar ? Hitting enter launches quicktime :|

Re:Found it

[griblik]

Just so all you know, that one's bitten the /. too.

A 45MB download is going to kill anything - I suggest coming back tomorrow...

Re:Found it

[Bishop]

I think the tool are are looking for is 'wget.'

Re:Found it

[netsharc]

Make a html file with a link to the file to download, open the html file in Mozilla, and right click the link, and choose "Save Target As..."

Mirror?

[Anonymous Coward]

Your not going to tell me that no one downloaded it.

So, someone that downloaded it, Mirror it, then we can really get a good count of how long it takes to /. you.

ghost in the shell...

[jukal]

[jukal@host jukal]$ /bin/bash
[jukal@host jukal]$ *BOOOOO!*

...worst joke ever?

Re:ghost in the shell...

[Anonymous Coward]

I think somebody should program an Anime shell, with ASCII Anime Art, and all the commands in Japanse.

Re:ghost in the shell...

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought that's what it was about on first looking at the title, some sort of trojan/virus or something that took control of your shell.

Thankfully its just cartoon news.

Re:ghost in the shell...

[Master of Transhuman]

No - you'd have to be doing it in a DOS SHELL!

Ancient link?

[clubin]

That link has been dead since the 31st, at least. Is news moderation that slow around here or did the poster forget to check the link.

Re:Would you enjoy 200,000 geeks leeching 45Mb, Ta

[BJH]

File's gone. I guess someone reads /. ;)

Redefined?

[Anonymous Coward]

Its one of my favourite movies, but I wouldnt say it "redefined" japanese anime...

Mirroring, anyone?

[dazdaz]

Anyone with bandwidth care to mirror it?

Thank you for ruining this slashdot

[danbeck]

Thanks for posting this link, slashdot. Now every Tom, Dick and Harry that goes to this site is going to try to download the trailer, whether they like those "jap cartoons" or not. You've ruined it for the rest of us actual anime fans who now can't view the trailer because it's slashdotted.

Japanese life

[Anonymous Coward]

- Lie in wait - ATTACK!!! - Act like you're reading a book - ATTACK!!! It's not a country, it's Hobbes.

Options?

[CoreyGH]

Instead of complaining, let's figure out a solution; does anyone know where else this can be found?

Re:Options?

[thelinuxking]

Well, here's one of the rare times a Google cache won't help :)

Re:Options?

[flaez]

peers,

everyone, put it on gnutella as soon as
you lay your hands on it. let's do this
'distributedly', for once

dude...

[complex]

i have a deep-seated fear of being alone. being made to stand alone for any amount of time is pure absolute torture. i hold cowboyneal responsible.

complex

For crying out loud!

[gnugnugnu]

For crying out loud!
A direct link to 45MB on the front page of Slashdot, how irresponsible is that.

It is already gone, anyone got a link?

I am still trying to get the Xmen 2 trailer that was pulled after it got slashdotted a few weeks back!

Re:For crying out loud!

[Anonymous Coward]

http://www.movie-list.net/mlst2k2/x-men2.mov?

Re:Actual Anime fan

[Anonymous Coward]

Well if your reading about it on slashdots front page your not a true anime fan and second of all several people have stated that the link has been down since the 31st

Yeah, but

[Anonymous Coward]

I talked about this with a guy who's married to a Japanese; according to him the Japanese used in Anime is about as related to the Japanese you'll learn in school, as the average homiez-speak from a gangsta rap record is to Shakespeare. In other words, you're not going to understand a word of what they're saying. Duno if it's true or if he was exagerating, but still... I can imagine how watching GotS is like reading Neuromancer after a one year course in English. Whadyamean cyberpunk lingo ?

Duno :\

Re:Yeah, but

[Anonymous Coward]

Try speaking in Shakespeare's english. That'll get you blank stares.

Double-standard?

[Anonymous Cowtard]

Ok.. just a few posts ago, there was a big uproar over MIT using some cobbled-together image from the Raditz comic. However, right here we have this little anime icon which I'm betting comes freom a source other than the editor's own drawing talents used on the very site that decried that such use in the MIT story.

Anyone care to explain the diff to me?

Re:Double-standard?

[Anonymous Coward]

Not being used for a multi-million dollar government contract? I dunno.

I totally agree

[Anonymous Coward]

Once you've learned the structure of the language, pick up the vocabulary you need from Anime, and practice reading Mangas, because that way you'll see so many writing styles that you won't see in text books, (and some of them are pretty difficult to read).

True, you're going to be dissapointed when you loose your luggage at the airport, and all you can say is something about how you fight against evil and save the world from invasion each day between waking up and going to work, but hey, who cares?

Re:I totally agree

[Anonymous Coward]

Whoa there, what you're saying requires picking up the character set as well :\

Re:I totally agree

[Anonymous Coward]

Dude, the character set is *totally* not as difficult as you probably think if you've never learned any Japanese.

Re:I totally agree

[ErMaC]

Are you INSANE?
OK I'll admit hiragana and katakana are pretty damn simple. But I would venture to guess you haven't gotten into any Kanji. The only people who don't have a problem with Kanji are 1) Chinese/Japanese/so-some-extent-Koreans who already learned them in school over a period of more than a dozen years or 2) complete and utter linguistical and artistic geniuses.
You try learning the 1900+ Kanji you're expected to know before you finish high school and get back to me.

Re:I totally agree

[Anonymous Coward]

We're talking about Anime, though, which is somewhat less demanding than, say, being able to read a newspaper.

Anyway, you're making it sound like you have to learn every Kanji in existance before you can read anything. The point is that once you have learnt Kana, you can learn 2 or 3 Kanji a day, (not very demanding), and in a couple of years you'll be at high-school knowledge level.

Oh, plus, while it's cool to watch Anime in it's original language, it's also pretty cool to put on your CV (knowledge of Japanese, that is, not the fact that you watch too much Anime :-) ).

Re:I totally agree

[Henry V .009]

Buy Heisig's book. It will take less than six months to learn those 1900 kanji. The kanji are actually organized to make sense, if you'll believe it.

Re:Would you enjoy 200,000 geeks leeching 45Mb, Ta

[sgtsanity]

Yep, and with new innovations like magnet links. You can search for a specific file on Gnutella and be sure that you're getting exactly that file. It also helps to find new sources for files that you're already downloading.

Re:MAG LCD Monitors on Sale at BEST BUY for $ 199

[Anonymous Coward]

Fuck you, they are selling for $299. and that is after $100 dollars in stupid fucking rebates that take months to ever get your money back.

mods on crack?

[Anonymous Coward]

Parent post is *not* offtopic.

Clearly he/she is trying to sound like a bad Japanese-to-English translation, thus staying on the topic of Anime.

Re:mods on crack?

[Anonymous Coward]

I was not trying to sound like a bad Japanese-to-English translation, but I agree that my post was not off topic.

Anime is excellent, and I think that it should be in the Slashdot terms and conditions that you like Anime, otherwise you're not allowed to use the site.

Re:mods on crack?

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry, I am not the original poster, I thought you were talking about my comment.

Found the trailer!

[synapticw00t]

This one is only 34.7 and can be found at: http://www.sa.sakura.ne.jp/~straydog/oshii/gits-sa c/gits-sac-trailer.mpeg I'm getting decent speed.

Moved

[dpaton.net]

the trailer is now HERE

I'll try to post a USA mirror in a little while.

-dave

Re:Moved

[tetsuo13]

If I can get a hold of a copy (sorry, I never saved it to disk), I'll host the trailer on a US server.

Anyone saved it and care to donate?

Re:Moved

[synapticw00t]

Sure, I can upload it. Synaptic@w00t.cc

OK, I walked one yard just to find out the title..

[Anonymous Coward]

It is called 'Japan At A Glance', and it IS a great book.

Infact, for your information, it was a gift, and also, I kind-of resent being called a troll.

English

[Anonymous Coward]

Shouldn't it be "Stand-Alone Complex"?

(Assuming it refers to a complex -- a whole composed of interconnected or interwoven parts -- which is able to stand alone, i.e. without any external dependencies.)

It's a clean room implementation.

[Anonymous Coward]

Somebody watched an Anime, and told the editor all about it. He then drew that face, without ever seeing the original.

Obvious, really.

Re:It's a clean room implementation.

[Anonymous Coward]

Okay, it's quite frickin' simple.

1. It's a news site. They're ALLOWED to use pictures. It's called fair use rights.
2. Like said previously, it wasn't used to gain money.
3. The face makes it obvious that this is an anime post, for anime fans. We all KNOW it's Sasami from Tenchi Muyo. The US military doesn't read comics too often. It's not like Slashdot is being sneaky about it.
4. For CRYIN' OUT LOUD, look at the pictures on Slashdot. Half of them are Windows icons, some of them are pictures of Einstein. They're small icons so you can figure out the theme of the story. If it came down to it, yes, they could hire an art department, but JEBUS, chill man (I say this as I lash out louder than the original poster).

If Slashdot was selling a wall-sized poster that was basically Goku's head on Superman's Torso, S-removed, with Gundam G12's pelvis 'n legs, being sold as an original work, then we'd have a problem here. It's COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT. MIT didn't draw it, they shouldn't be able to "sell" it. Bleh, I hope someone posts a better explanation than this, mine sounds too wacky.

Re:It's a clean room implementation.

[Anonymous Coward]

They should change it to some giant robo or ninja scroll, or something besides a 13 year old girl! Makes all us anime fans feel like pedophiles.

Re:It's a clean room implementation.

[Anonymous Cowtard]

1. It's a news site. They're ALLOWED to use pictures. It's called fair use rights.

And, MIT, an educational institution isn't allow to use said picture in a presentation? They certainly weren't selling the presentation.

2. Like said previously, it wasn't used to gain money.

Really? Then /. gives away that banner space on top for free? Subscriptions to the site are free as well? Wow... didn't know that.

3. The face makes it obvious that this is an anime post, for anime fans. We all KNOW it's Sasami from Tenchi Muyo. The US military doesn't read comics too often. It's not like Slashdot is being sneaky about it.

And since when does the "sneakiness" matter in a court case?

4. For CRYIN' OUT LOUD, look at the pictures on Slashdot. Half of them are Windows icons, some of them are pictures of Einstein. They're small icons so you can figure out the theme of the story. If it came down to it, yes, they could hire an art department, but JEBUS, chill man (I say this as I lash out louder than the original poster).

Yes... I see the amount of infringment is what matters. MIT stole a small bit from the comic and therefore must pay. Whereas the wholesale infringment here on Slashdot makes it okie-dokie.

Moron...

Re:It's a clean room implementation.

[handsomepete]

3. The face makes it obvious that this is an anime post, for anime fans. We all KNOW it's Sasami from Tenchi Muyo. The US military doesn't read comics too often. It's not like Slashdot is being sneaky about it.

And since when does the "sneakiness" matter in a court case?

And since when did we all know it was Sasami from Tenchi Muyo? I don't even know what a Tenchi Muyo is....

Re:It's a clean room implementation.

[Theom]

Are you robophile?

Mirror list - get your wget on...

[Anonymous Coward]

Regret this, I will. I can't think of a better way for Time Warner to discover that I run a server off their cable lines...

here

Graciously posted anonymously to avoid karma whoring... anybody else mirroring?

Re:Mirror list - get your wget on...

[Anonymous Coward]

Had to take it down... doesn't matter, it's getting 2400 baud speed at this point anyways.

Redefined Anime? How?

[jefftp]

I have Ghost in the Shell... on VHS and DVD. It's an interesting movie. Not really great compared to some of my old Nexus Studio subs when I was running an anime club, but it's pretty good.

The question I have is, how did Ghost in the Shell redefine anime? There's nothing really that breath-taking.

Re:Redefined Anime? How?

[synapticw00t]

I wouldn't say it necessarily redefined anime but it did bring back the story aspect. After Akira all I can remember is being subjected to was demon raping anime. If there was anything better then that, I sure as heck didn't run across it. When GitS came out along with Ninja Scroll in the same year (or close to it) it brought a whole new wave of American interest in Japanese animation. It reminded us that cartoons don't have to be just for kids or evil pornographic crap. Not to mention at the time it was released (94 or 95?) we were just getting into the tech boom, anything tech related was being gobbled up and we all know that Hot Cyborg Chicks Sell. God knows Iv picked up several shirts, wall scrolls, resin statues and figures all made because of Major Motoko Kusanagi.

Re:Redefined Anime? How?

[Winterblink]

If you like story, check out Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade. It's basically by the same people who did GitS. Has one of the best stories I've seen in a while for anime movies.

Re:Redefined Anime? How?

[Anonymous Coward]

The only thing remarkable about GITS is that it was heavily publicized in America, thus catching the attention of dilettante anime fans like Taco.

You know

[Anonymous Coward]

#ifdef anime
#undef anime
#define anime somethingelse
#endif

Meuh

[Anonymous Coward]

What's your IQ again ? :\ After debugging my software for a while after it's been translated into Japanese, about all I know is that three things in a row with the left one looking like two stacked squares probably means "Japanese".

Re:Would you enjoy 200,000 geeks leeching 45Mb, Ta

[halo8]

Well i just i totally agree with you

but as of THIS time, on kazaa (kazaalite of course) i couldnt find a hit for

koukaku.mpg or anything

And for when *that* one gets slashdotted...

[paulcammish]

... which was about 30 minutes ago.

There's a copy here: www.daedalustech.co.uk/gits-sac-trailer.mpeg (I must be insane)

Take it easy with the server though... I'm not sure how much load it can take...

I've got it on Gnutella too (same filename - gits-sac-trailer.mpeg), so only use the link when absolutely necessary... please.

I'll take it down if you guys kill the server too much...

Dont mind me, anyways... I'm just karma whoring.

Re:And for when *that* one gets slashdotted...

[ahaning]

You might wish to mention the --limit-rate option for wget when posting links to large files on your own server.

For instance,
wget --limit-rate=5k http://www.daedalustech.co.uk/gits-sac-trailer.mpe g

will download at about 5KB/s. Yes, if you've got a 250KB/s link, it may seem silly to "pretend" as though you've only got a 56k modem, but it's a bit nicer for the server admin and the hundreds of others that are trying to get to the same file.

As of 4:30 EST, I'm getting a nice 4.92K/s from daedalustech.co.uk on a 1.5Mbit cable. Thanks!

Re:And for when *that* one gets slashdotted...

[Anonymous Coward]

There will be a mirror here shortly.

Only be up for a few hours. And it's quite slow.

The X-Men 2 preview is in there aswell for those who missed it.

Re:And for when *that* one gets slashdotted...

[shut_up_man]

Got it... here's a mirror of that funky file.

Limited to five simultaneous users at once, should run until my machine starts blowing smoke.

Re:And for when *that* one gets slashdotted...

[Anonymous Coward]

New URLs:

Here and here.

Re:And for when *that* one gets slashdotted...

[paulcammish]

Sorry guys, funs over. :)

Just noticed the log file is nearing a meg, and thats all thats on the site :)

The hits seem to have dropped off now anyway...

Re:And for when *that* one gets slashdotted...

[dennison_uy]

Wow, very impressive!

For those who are having problems downloading it, I was able to get it from Kazaa. You can download it from me HERE.

Go Commander Taco! Time is Fleeting!

[Aexia]

It's the moment you've been waiting for! The outskirts of Neo-Toyko is attacked by Slashdot! Can Taco reactivate the Meta-Mod in time to save Neo-Toyko? Meanwhile, a stranger waits in the shadows!

Next time on SLASHDOT Z!

Re:Found it [VGM Fusion Mirror is up]

[Quass]

We've got two version of the trailer up.

They're in WMV format, and we have a highbandwidth one @ 18megs, and a lowbandwidth one @ ~3 megs.

Come over to VGM Fusion to get it, and hey, while you're there, why don't you take a look around the site a bit. :)

Japan: Profile of a Nation?

[Kowh]

Was the book Japan: Profile of a Nation? It is indeed published by Kodansha and appears to be close to what you described.

From the description on Amazon, it also appears to be a condensed version of their large encyclopedia: Japan: An Illustrated Encyclopedia, which is an order of magnitude more expensive.

1 GigE uplink

[Anonymous Coward]

won't get /. that quick! Download the trailer HERE!

Have fun!

Fastlink

Working download link...

[Anonymous Coward]

/.'ters, get ready to DDOS the next machine: http://eur.rd.yahoo.com/M=200053535.200717553.2022 71557.200332292/D=de/S=15433475:N/A=200330634/*htt ps://proxy.autistici.org/nph-proxy.cgi/010110A/htt p/141.50.42.149:80/download/cray_interview.mpg

Must Be Crazy Alright!

[tetsuo13]

Here you go, please go easy on my server guys ^^
If it gets slashdotted give it a try later...

http://www.anime.fm/download/gits-sac-trailer.mpeg

Well, Heck..

[billatq]

.. I can't think of a better use of college bandwidth :)

All of them here

I have 3 versions that I've mirrored:
A 34.8 MB mpeg

16.2 MB wmv

and a 2.4 MB wmv

Enjoy ;)

Re:Well, Heck..

[chris_mahan]

Thank you, kind soul.

Re:Well, Heck..

[billatq]

I downloaded the other 6.7 avi version, so that's available too. Likely, you'll probably want to download that one--though I'm leaving the others up.

Re:Well, Heck..

[billatq]

Well I've exceeded my bandwidth for today. Thanks for trying, click on another mirror. Cheers :)

Re:Well, Heck..

[StandardDeviant]

Do you realize what a negative effect on your school records having ALL of the tamu.edu sysnet adminery after your blood will have?!? ;-) "Strange, according to this you're both dead and on academic probation. Oh, and your thirty grand in library overdue fees are due..."

Mirrored DivX 7MB

[Ken@WearableTech]

I've re-encoded it with DivX and halfed the screen size. It's just under 7 MB and mirrored it here

Re:Mirrored DivX 7MB

[shut_up_man]

Mirror of that file over here:

ftp://195.149.46.131/gts-divx.avi

Capped to 5 users at once, so you might have to retry...

Re:Mirrored DivX 7MB

[gad_zuki!]

Good job. I was going to do the same thing, well if I was able to download it.

"Redefined"? Please.

[Winterblink]

Ok the show had some very slick animation, and had a pretty good story that could easily be the basis of a show. But to say it "redefined" anime is silly. I can think of a lot of other anime that were a lot more "redefining" qualities to them than that: Neon Genesis Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop, Serial Experiments Lain, Gundam, Ah! Megami-sama, Akira, Tenchi Muyo!, and others. Anyone else have some more worthy contenders? Intelligent responses please :)

saw it

[kupo zero]

Yeah i saw this at the Anime Expo NY Production IG panel. It's really cool and the music is really good. Can't wait for it.

This is the book.

[Anonymous Coward]

No, the book is 'Japan At A Glance':

Here

My copy was a gift from a Japanese friend, (dunno why I mentioned that :-) ).

I guess I should really have mentioned it in the original post.

Re:Would you enjoy 200,000 geeks leeching 45Mb, Ta

[ahaning]

Now now. I know 45MB is nothing to sneeze at, but let's not forget when they posted a link to a 1.1GB VOB on the front page.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/02/06/174023 3&mode=nested&tid=117

The link has since died, and the full movie is only available on special request from the FSF (a smaller(60MB) version is now available) or to FSF developers.

The video available wasn't even all that good. With the a/v occasionally losing sync, wierd artifacts in the video, etc. However, I believe these were chalked up to the Free software that they were using.

Oh well, just so you know. These guys have done worse ;-).

Another Mirror

[Wally4u]

Got to love University Connections.
34.8 MB MPEG
I really want to see If the server can handle the load :)

Re:Another Mirror

[Anonymous Coward]

Awesome work,

I'm getting 30-40 KB/sec on that file straight into my Australian Uni's phat pipe.

Re:Another Mirror

[Wally4u]

Closed the mirror after 1000 downloads, and a lot of traffic. :) Hope you've enjoyed while it lasted

Re:"Redefined"? Please.

[Anonymous Coward]

Generally, I have seen the phrase "Four Revolutions of Anime" applied to the following: Uchuu Senkan Yamato, Kidou Senshi Gundam, Cho Jiku Yosai Macross, and Shin Seiki Evangelion. To that, I would personally add Tetsuwan Atom and Ribbon No Kishi.

Re:OK, I walked one yard just to find out the titl

[Anonymous Coward]

...though you said you didn't care if you'd get modded as a troll?

Well, at least you didn't call those who watch subbed anime a bunch of uneducated sheep who'll eat whatever pablum they're fed, baaa, baaa, etc. I hate those fucking pricks. Then you would really have deserved some negative moderation.

EDonkey 2000 link

[Anonymous Coward]

Koukaku Kidotai Stand Alone Complex.mpg
If posting messes up the url paste this into your browser:
"ed2k://%7Cfile%7CKoukaku_Kidotai_Stand_ Alone_Comp lex.mpg%7C36464644%7C24DA3CAB3654E5BCA9586AAE0A454 C90%7C/"
This should help you if you can't find a fast mirror...

Re:"Redefined"? Please.

[Anonymous Coward]

How about Nausicaa, and anything else by ghibli.. :-)

Re:"Redefined"? Please.

[Winterblink]

Ah, Ghibli. :) Forgot about that. I don't think there is a bad Ghibli release out there, they're all fantastic with original storylines and great animation. Personal faves: Nausicaa and Laputa. I haven't seen the new one Spirited Away, but I anticipate that one to be added to my favorites list.

That icon of a motherboard...

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm sure you've got one of the jumper settings wrong, I can see it from here :-).

Re:OK, I walked one yard just to find out the titl

[Anonymous Coward]

True, I did say I didn't care about being modded a troll.

I don't mind subbed anime at all.

Disturbing

[Anonymous Coward]

> Enjoy ;)

Ewww! Fitting a bowling ball in there must have taken years of practice!

Moderators, you might want to check out the links before modding.

Opinions are like armpits...

[Mulletproof]

Ghost in the shell redefined animation? Hardly. Masamune Shiro's manga was better than the actual movie. Both Patlabor the second movie (which came out before, thus "redefining animation") and GitS were done by the same animator and both had the same plodding "trying to dive deep into philosophy" bit, ultimately doing themselves a disservice. Not to mention the manga has this funky 3-way lesbian scene... For something to redefine a genre, it has to change the way you look at it substantially so... I can't see GitS doing that, honestly.

Re:Found it [VGM Fusion Mirror is up]

[Anonymous Coward]

"We've got two version of the trailer up.

They're in WMV format, and we have a highbandwidth one @ 18megs, and a lowbandwidth one @ ~3 megs"

Neither of which were responding when I tried downloading at 4:43PM EST.

Redefining "redefined".

[Mulletproof]

Right... It's another case of a submitter passing off his opinion as fact. A bit annoying, personally. Of your choices, I'd definitely agree with Akira and Gundam, maybe Eva, but it has too much of that "Boy finds robot fights evil invaders for college credits" stuff for me. And Shinji just has to be the most hatable character alive in anime :p YMMV. Just to put things in perspective, I'm not a huge fan of Gundam either, but there's no denying it's giant robot influence on the genre. I guess GitS tries to be the Gibson of anime (which I suspect is why some hold it up as revolutionary), but it hardly redefines anything.

Re:Redefining "redefined".

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought Shinji was like that... until I saw Sci-Fi Harry. THAT is the most detestable male character in anime. ;p

Re:Redefining "redefined".

[Winterblink]

You know, I didn't mind Shinji. At first, yes he's annoying. Everyone like "just get into the damn thing and blow stuff up!", but that's not really the point of the character. That's Asuka's angle. Shinji probably would do his part to save the world if he had a reason for doing it other than his father wants him to do it. And that it's the ONLY thing his father wants him for. He's a messed up kid really, which was what made the series likable for me. It caught me off guard, I was expecting the kind of "woo hoo! I watched Gundam as a kid and now I get to beat aliens up in a big mecha!" character we've seen ad nauseum in other anime.

Have to?

[autopr0n]

Don't you think that's a little strong? I mean, a lot of the higher quality Anime's have strong character and plotting, but not knowing every nuance of Japanese culture can't detract that much from the over all feeling.

I mean, I might miss a few little things, but I don't really think you need to know Japanese to appreciate Jin Roh or Akira. Even something set in contemporary Japan like Initial D comes across the language barrier. Anyone who loves cars would love that anime.

Maybe it would help more for the romance stuff like Oh My goddess and Tenchi Muyo, but who cares about that sissy crap :P

edonkey link, the 35mb version

[theSelkie]

ghost_in_the_shell_-_standalone_complex-trailer.mp eg

Re:edonkey link, the 35mb version

[theSelkie]

oh my, SD totaly destroyed my link :/ Second try:

ed2k://|file|ghost_in_the_shell_-_standalone_compl ex-trailer.mpeg|36464644|24da3cab3654e5bca9586aae0 a454c90|

.... you'll have to fix it yourself, paste both halves to your browser, remove any spaces

We need massive use of web caches...

[Nicopa]

The mpeg file is gone... See? We need web caches... It's stupid to have this file crossing the ocean thousands of times. Besides not using web caches causes that those who cannot afford bandwidth costs cannot put content in the web... Caches now!.

Oh come on.

[autopr0n]

Well, I've taken about 25 credit hours of Chinese so far, and I have to say, Chinese characters are really not that hard.

I'm always amazed by Japanese students who say Kanji is so difficult. I suppose if you spent most of your time studying in Hiragana and Katakana without that much of a focus on Kanji. But really, Chinese Characters are mostly composed of other characters grouped together in space. Writing and remembering them is basically learning to spell on a two dimensional plain rather then a line... and with mostly short, small words. Nothing like English complex and irrational spelling like: "acupuncture", "through", "indefatigable", "anonymous", "hiragana" or what have you.

Personally, I think Chinese characters are actually easier to remember then the spelling of English words, and yes I am a native English speaker.

Re:Oh come on.

[esper_child]

And that irrationalality on the words is one of the main reasons I don't like the English language a whole lot. Presonally I have been a big fan of idiograms, as they are a lot easier to convey your message with. Kanji really isn't that hard once you get the base symbols down, after that you can kinda think your way through the rest. I also like the syllabol form of righting (such as katakana and hiragana). But the practice of making silent letters and letters that hold multiple different sounds is just evil and wrong. I feel sorry for anyone who has to learn English as a second language.

Re:Found it [VGM Fusion Mirror is up]

[Quass]

Funny, seems to still work for me.

Anyone else having problems??

PS.. we also have the Xmen trailer.. lol

Re:Would you enjoy 200,000 geeks leeching 45Mb, Ta

[Anenga]

I was going to download it and make a MAGNET link, but I can't even get the file :P If you have it, run it through Bitzi and share the Hash with us!

If you want to share it the right way, share it on Shareaza, then right click the file in your library and go to "Copy URL". Then paste the URL up here =)

1 little problem

[kupo zero]

The only problem is the lack on japanese teaching courses. Unless of course you have a lot of self will and can teach yourself from book. I know i don't. Boohoo.

Trying to right-click/save?

[Anonymous Coward]

There's yer problem.

If All Other Mirrors Fail...

[tetsuo13]

there is always animeFM :)

http://www.anime.fm/download/gits-sac-trailer.mpeg

I already posted this link but it got burried in replies up above. I also probably should have mirrored the MPEG from the beginning. Anyway, go easy on my server please ^^;

Song?

[Anonymous Coward]

Anyone know the song in the trailer?

Uchu Senkan Yamato

[Anonymous Coward]

This is what redefined Anime, back in the 70s. With is continuous storyline, developing characters, R2D2 like robot, the greatest ship of all time (the Yamato), it defined anime. All other stuff are just bad imitation.

I don't care that nobody will read this. Maybe some few crazy wackos that read at threshold 0. Hey, all my posts where 0. I've never posted something that was above that.

But I don't care, because I simply know the greatness of Uchu Senkan Yamato!!!

Anime is subversive

[Anonymous Coward]

In recent years there has been a growing trend amongst radical youth elements of American society for cultural relativism, the foolish belief that other cultures have something to offer. This is clearly not true, and anyone that cares to take the time to do the research will find that the US is by far the world's greatest nation in terms of any statistic that matters. Unfortunately thanks to the influence of Liberal elements in our once-great education system these individuals choose to turn away from the products our cultures produces and embrace alien ideas that are an affront to God and our Founding Fathers.

Censored owing to un-Christian content
In some cases this relativism is less harmful than others; the English culture apes our own enough so that there is little harm to be had. But other so-called cultures are purely and simply alien to morality, and the cultural apologists are nothing more than a group of deceivers intent on the final replacement of Christian moral values with a Liberal credo of immorality and sin.

The worst attack on morality comes in the form of Japanese manga films, which spread a shocking message of immorality under the cover of animation, a cynical move targetting a genre typically aimed at children. These films are supposedly aimed at adults, but a moment's reflection counters this vacuous argument - what kind of grown adult watches cartoons? When we become adults we put childish things behind us, and cartoons, whilst of invaluable aid in entertaining and educating children, are of no use to a healthy adult of sound mind and firm moral base.

Upon my first encounter with this foriegn plague I was shocked at the gratuitous use of violence and anti-Christian symbolism. These films all fall into the fantasy and science-fiction genres (which are little more than a hotbed of paganism and Satanism anyway) and the stories generally involve an epic conflict between the forces of "good," who are typically inbued with obviously Satanic powers, and their enemies, also possessing such powers. Indeed, the only difference being that the forces of "evil" are more obviously demonic in their visages! These two forces engage in megaviolent battles using their Satanic powers, and at the end of an orgy of blood and dismembered limbs the forces of "good" are victorious and undoubtedly retire to give thanks to their evil master.

At this point I was shocked enough. Never before have I seen such a celebration of violence and Satanism, and to see it in a medium designed to entice children had me gripping the edge of my seat in righteous outrage. What kind of sick mind could conceive of such a vicious assault on the kind of decent Christian values that made America the greatest nation on Earth? It was clear to me at that point that this was nothing other than an insidious campaign being waged against our nation's youths, designed to blind them to the Truth and install the Liberal lies of a relativistic paradise where morality is whatever makes you feel good.

And worse yet, it was succeeding! The popularity of manga films has increased over the last decade, and yet few people have realised how many of our nation's children have been turned to the Liberals. I at once decided that something needed to be done about this scourge, and began to engage in an intense bout of research, forcing myself to watch hour after hour of this immoral filth. And slowly, something else became clear. I had been wrong. Very wrong.

No, the real agenda was not the dissemination of psychopathic and anti-Christian messages. These were nothing more than a cover for what these vile "films" were really pushing. It became clear only after watching several of the so-called classics (as if any film made less than fifty years ago could be termed a classic!) that the real agenda was truly Satanic - manga films exist solely to promote the idea that paedophilia is good!

Filth
Not content with dominance in the field of consumer electronics, it was now clear to me that the Japanese wished to bring about the downfall of our society by spreading this cancer in our midst, targetting the most naive and vulnerable segments of our population - teenagers and college students.

The evidence for this is clear to anyone not so simple-minded and deluded by a Liberal education. In a cheap trick the perverts that create manga films have stolen their animation techniques from Disney, and given all of their characters the same wide-eyed child-like look of innocence seen in such timeless children's classics as Sleeping Beauty or Snow White. This makes it clear that even when showing supposedly adult characters, they are subliminally referring instead to young children.

Of course it doesn't end here, for like all Liberal filthmongers they know no bounds to their depravity. The characters in these obscenities, especially the female ones, are drawn in a blatently sexual manner, with exaggerated sexual attributes, impossible proportions and disturbingly provocative clothing (when there is any!). Each character has been crafted to act upon the deadly sin of lust, and is an unholy masterpiece of desire. I found myself watching these succubi again and again, mesmerised and unable to comprehend such un- Christian filth.

When you combine the evidence the secret agenda becomes only too clear - that children are sexual creatures, and that it is alright to feel lust towards them. Furthermore, the graphic scenes of violence in manga films are clearly designed to incite violence against children in the furtherance of these foul desires. Clearly it is not only enough to simply instill such unwholesome thoughts in the minds of our youth, they are intent upon inciting violence of a most deviant manner upon our nation's children!

This is against everything that is decent and Christian in the world! It is clearly part of the Liberalist agenda of secular multiculturalism, and part of the drive towards their ultimate goal of One World government ruling over a homogenous, unthinking lower class devoid of the Christian ethics that separate us from savages.

Tomorrow I begin my crusade. If you too share the values that made this country the greatest in the world, I urge you to think of a generation lost to Satan, and to make a stand against the tide of filth lapping at our Christian shores.

Jon Erikson

Re:Anime is subversive

[borgheron]

Anime is no more subversive than any other popular form of entertainment. Look at rock music, TV, or movies. If you don't like it don't watch, but please don't take it upon yourself to "clean it up" for the rest of us.

I leave you with this famous quote:

"Here, finally, there were no laws, no boundaries, no limits, no judgement.. and the motto above the door read simply: Hell is more beautiful than Heaven"

-- anonymous

GJC

Re:Anime is subversive

[Professor Nova]

Subversion is the great american past time.
After all, it was the subversive refutation
of the "devine right of kings" that led us
to revolt against a somewhat tyrannical king.
Subversion is as american as mom and apple pie.

Though I would consider anything you would
find "subversive" to be worth taking a look
at.

Re:Anime is subversive

[Anonymous Coward]

I've never seen someone bashing on other man's cultures before, you would have fit nicely in the crusade wars centuries ago.

Two options:
1. You are a complete idiot, then I'm glad you don't represent the majority of the Americans.
2. You're just kidding, then I'm glad.

Yokko Kano...

[tenchiken]

Yoko Kanno (think Anime's John Williams) is doing the music for Stand Alone Complex. This is a huge surprise, because AFAIK, this is the first music she has done for a studio that is owned by someone other then Bandai.

(Some of her music includes Bebop, Escaflowne, Macross Plus, Arjuna, etc).
This is a great thing, as she has been sorely underused as of late.

Re:Yokko Kano...

[Anonymous Coward]

>Yoko Kanno (think Anime's John Williams

Unlike Williams, Yoko Kanno changes her sound and style to fit the work she's scoring. She's got to be one of the most talented soundtrack composers around.

Check out the music for:
Cowboy Bebop
Macross Plus
Turn-A Gundam

I know there are more, that's just what I have at the moment. You can check out samples (.ram - blech) at the 'Yoko Kanno Project' web site:
http://www.jameswong.com/ykproject/

The music in the trailer is excellent--can't wait for the soundtrack!

Re:Yokko Kano...

[Nogami_Saeko]

I totally agree. I had the great fortune to be near the front of the stage at Anime Expo in 1999 when Yoko Kanno did a live concert. Simply amazing. Got to ask her a few questions too :P

But I agree on her talent, her music is diverse, beautiful, and has depth. New listeners should listen to "Sora" (Escaflowne), "Voices", "Idol Talk", and "Wanna be an Angel" from Macross Plus for good starters.

She also did the music for the Magnetic Rose episode in Memories, which was also haunting and beautiful.

Oh goody! More attempts to look smart from Shirow!

[Fantastic Lad]

Seriously.

Shirow is a brilliant designer and visual artist, but he is one of the worst damn story tellers I have ever, EVER read.

A classic case of putting the world-building ahead of the characters. The world is there to contain the characters, and the characters are there to convey the human message to the audience. When each is strong, when there is enough insight and compassion put into each, truly great story telling can take place. That isn't the case with Shirow.

Shirow gets an 'A' for graphic design, a 'B+' for world building, but lacks the compassion to be a great story teller. Now, you can see evidence of compassion. His earlier stories had some moments. But for some mysterious reason, he has chosen not to develop and apply this aspect of himself in his stories. He's moved away from learning about people, and directed himself into such devoid areas as porn, where human insight plays second fiddle, (if any fiddle at all), to glossy surface nonsense. Certainly, this is not necessarily evil or bad, but it is an almost contemptible decision considering what Shirow might have done with his talents.

Imagine if Miyazaki had decided to pursue porn? Any moron can draw a naked girl. Why waste real minds on such trivia?

The result is that disquieting & detached feeling throughout Shirow's work. Everything he draws seems to generate that dance-club atmosphere, where the beautiful swell in their powers, while everybody else goes home feeling sad & lonely. The consumers and the eaten. (There is such an energetic transfer in those kinds of environments.) And since Shirow long ago stopped impressing me with his socio-political junk philosophy, particularly because I think it is quite impossible, and indeed pointless, to attempt any deep cultural understanding without a solid grasp of human compassion, I find his work to be virtually worthless as anything other than an exercise in clever visual design.

Furthermore. . . And this one stands out for me, one of Shirow's main strongholds of dramatic focus is flawed!

He's a big, big fan of that dark, heart-achy, 'Bladerunner-like Feeling', brands of which are so popular among fashion magazines, goths and and any number of post-industrial approaches to art. --That, "I don't quite understand it, but it makes me feel like there's something out there which is kind of cool, and kind of sexy and kind of. . , I don't know, but I desperately want to touch it whatever it is, even though it makes my heart ache, and I know it's basically impossible to achieve whatever it demands. . . You know what I mean?" --A feeling which exactly none of the photographers and the artists and the fashion victims, etc., seem to understand the nature of on any level other than that of the surface experience. Which makes them little better than mindless worshipers who carry the torch forward for the rest of us to follow without knowing where or why.

Essentially, Shirow doesn't know what the hell he's doing.

But, ooh. His pictures are soooo cool.

Please.

-Fantastic Lad

Production I.G says thanks..

[db5007]

Thank you slashdot for your coverage of anime(specifically on the Ghost in the Shell TV series) we here at IG in Tokyo(the studio that made the show) are very grateful. Actually, we wanted to put the trailer on our site but we knew that we simply couldnt afford the bandwidth(generally studios in Japan are very poor.) Anyhow, thanks everbody, hopefully one day, people outside of Japan will figure out that animation can be enjoyed in ways other than just comedy and adventure. SamuraiNYC

Err...

[Wandering Idiot]

That's a pretty funny place to put that... Next time, just make a new thread. The 'reply' button up top. Yeah.

Pity about the bandwidth, though- I notice the "movies" section of your site is empty. (The stills look beautiful, though) Judging by what happened to the sites that *did* host the clip, I'd have to say you made a good call.

Anyhow, thanks everbody, hopefully one day, people outside of Japan will figure out that animation can be enjoyed in ways other than just comedy and adventure.

Don't you mean comedy and kid's movies? Oh, and, um:
["official representative of /." voice] You're welcome![/"official representative of /." voice]

(Sheesh, where's Taco when you need 'im?)

Re:Err...

[db5007]

yes, I should have created a new post..I had just registered and got a little confused..oops!

Perhaps I could get Oshii san to send Taco an autograph..

+1 Informative?

[KNicolson]

2.5 correct, 4 wonky spellings. +1 Funny only surely!

Anime is stupid

[Anonymous Coward]

Anime is stupid.
EOF

GiS TV timetable

[Fluffie]

Sky Perfect TV, PPV. 800y/2ep (Lets see you americans whine about stuff you should pay for. Most of SkyPer isnt worth paying for at all, and this isnt enough to pique my interest.)

There will be 26eps. Starts October 1st, with 2 episode special (85min)

In all probability, it will be broadcast on other media later. I'll ask.

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[Anonymous Coward]

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Re:Oh goody! More attempts to look smart from Shir

[Anonymous Coward]

Absolutely.

I agree with you 100%.