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Spirited Away Still Has a Chance
Dean Siren writes "Disney chairman Richard W. Cook says that they've budgeted to market Spirited Away in up to 1,000 North American theaters, and if the Oscars endorse it as much as Metacritic has, Disney will launch it. They'll spend the same time and money promoting Spirited Away for Academy Awards as they will Lilo & Stitch and Treasure Planet. Cook hopes that it will win not only Best Animated Film, but get nominated for Best Picture, as Beauty and the Beast got in 1991. Thanks to Jack Mathews at New York Daily News for getting Cook to explain."
...market the actual thing.
this is sure to be better then the "Atlantis" stratedgy.... no wait, how about "The Lion King"....
i really hope to see in a theatre; i enjoyed watching it at home. the almost-naturalistic take on a love story and spirit world kept me interested enough to keep watching after i took a break halfway through.
oh wait, there's pizza to eat. i'll take a break half way through this post....
SIGERR: laziness exceeds quota
This is a great victory for geeks everywhere. Disney has always done a good job of supporting "long shot" geek movies (Toy Story, anyone?). They have the market clout to make people see the beauty in things usually only appreciated by us geeks. If you think about it, The Sorcerer's Apprentice was sort of a prototypical hacker programming geek. The promotion of this film in competition for an Oscar is only going to help geeks of all walks of life. Hopefully, geeks on Slashdot will continue to support Disney so that we can get more of this!
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First off, AC's usually don't deserve a response, but this one is just off in left field.
Spirited Away is a _children's story_. You could let your 6-year-old watch this. So quit throwing around the 'japanese porno' catch-all description of anime. Yes, they do exist, but it's a relatively small segment of the market (in the US AND in Japan).
step 1: advertise
step 2: ???
step 3: profit!
So far they have failed at step 1, its exactly what happened to Mononoke all over again. This movie makes Country Bears laughable at best, why not advertise quality animations and get rid of these terrible terrible films. Oh well, so long as it comes out in DVD with both languages and subs I'll be happy in more than one way.
Is this the "Disney is good" week? I guess last week must have been the "evil" week, but I didn't get the memo.
Except for both movies being presented as animation, comparing SA to BATB is like comparing gold to crap.
Its a comparison between true visual art and typical, run-of-the-mill disney fare. Want to see BATB again? go rent The Little Mermaid.
And let's not even begin to compare the story lines. SA is far, far more creative, deep and moving.
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I once bothered to take a look at the manga they are broadcasting over here. After torturing myself painfully for fifteen minutes while feeling something which can only be explained by a spectral force forcing two scolding-hot spiked maces into my skull through my ears and then twisting them. After some research (and recuperation) it turned out that I saw something called "Sailor Moon", dubbed in dutch, which was quite possibly the most horrible thing I ever heard. You cannot copy a line of text from japanese, to english, to dutch. It's just morally and ethically wrong.
If anything, that event made me decide never EVER to watch manga/anime on dutch TV stations again. And never to wake up before 12:00 out of free will, either.
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This movie was made by Studio Ghibli, and US distribution rights were bought by Disney, who so far has been doing only so-so at actually getting this stuff out. (Where is my Kiki's Delivery Service DVD? How about Nausicaa or Castle in the Sky, or any of the other good Ghibli titles they've gotten?)
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
Look, I'm sure the movie is cool. Has a lot of great symbolism, however I find the following (possible) bedfellows ironic:
1. Disney. Nuff said.
2. The oscars. like any other industry-circle-jerk awards show, gee..
who f**king cares if it wins the oscars!!!?!??? that seems more like a curse for any artistic endeavor. i dunno, i was bummed disney released it. like i need more of my money going to a shithole company bent on f**king up copyright laws and stealing from generations before, but not acknowledging it.
sorry but this article sux! i wish spirited away the best of luck, but i won't be seeing it...
While I'm not a big fan of the Academy Awards and disagree with much of the way it works, I think a nomination and especially a win at the Oscars for an anime film will rocket anime into even more mainstream outlets. More anime on TV, more films, more professional dubs and subs, etc. I can't think of a better way for anime to become more accepted in the west than for Spirited Away to win an Oscar.
I hope this is a financial loss for them and Mickey has to go back to the bread line where the stolen rat started. Has disney EVER actually created somthing from scratch or is EVERY Disney 'creation' in fact derived from someone elses work then copyrighted and 0wned forever.
I am not old enought to speak for when Walt was around but Disney has been nothing exciting as long as I can remember.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
..Spirited away is written and directed by Hayao Miyazaki, which is the same person who made Nausacaa Valley of the wind, and more recently (1997) Princess Mononoke.
It seems to be even more captivating than Princess Mononoke, yet somewhat disney oriented as it focuses on the adventures of a ten year old named chihiro who gets "spirited away" to a magical land; separated from her parents, she struggles to find a way home.(trailer)
Whoah, that was a mouthful. But it seems to be a really good movie, if your looking for something more than Treasure Planet.
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That movie was really great. And plus, with disney bringing it in that'll just make it easier to access. So if it's playing at a theater near you, see it. It's a great movie. I however do wonder if the original script was changed to 'americanize' it. I hope not. But it's good to see that a big company has finally acknowledged that Anime movies could really do well in the US.
I would love to see how they plan to put a Radish Spirt toy in a happy meal. They don't care about ticket sales, they care about byproducts and aftermarket trinkets.
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A while ago I saw a pretty insightful documentary in Australia about the making of Disney animated films, and the bussiness strategies that go along with them.
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It appears that since the Lion King, every Disney film has been either kids only, or failed to get very popular and gone to video/DVD quickly. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the quality of the entertainment either.
The doco' explained that Disney don't actually make money on these any more, or at least weren't doing so in late 2000. This could put these real "long shot" and geek projects in jeopardy.
Without sounding like a drone, I would recommend that the geek community don't just leech these movies in divx and keep them. If we like these films, we should support them by going to the cinema (just a *little* nicer than divx huh?) and/or purchasing the DVD. If we have to get the divx it should be more of a preview thing and serve a decision making process.
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Even if you hate Animation this is something everyone should see. There are just too many good things to say about this movie, as this is something that can be considered a truly artful piece of work among the repetitive norm.
Don't make the mistake of filing this film under the typical "Anime-blahblahblah" category.
Disney has been trying to bury quality anime movies for a long time because they know how good they are. Mirimax was only able to release Princess Mononoke to a limited number of theaters due to pressure from Disney.
If word got out to the mainstream that animated movies from overseas could be both entertaining to children and thought provoking to adults, then it would force Disney to rework their entire development structure to change over and reinvent their formulated storylines and stereotyped characters.
The problem for Disney here is that "Spirited Away" has people talking all over the world and even they can't keep this one quiet. So in the spirit of a multi-national corporation crushing its competition; if you can't beat them, buy them.
That way they can show "Spirited Away" in a limited release, satisfy a few fans and wait for the buzz to die down. But it didn't work this time, so they will put more money into the release and hope this will still go away quietly.
But I think Disney is in for a real shock here.
I saw Spirited away at a local independent theater and I thought it was very well good. It is written for a younger audience than Princess Mononoke, but I thought it was just as enjoyable. They did a very good job with the english dub, at least as well as with Mononoke.
"Disney chairman Richard W. Cook says that they've budgeted to market Spirited Away in up to 1,000" irrelevant Slashdot stories.
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Because Disney doesn't hold the merchandising rights to the Ghibli catalog, they will never promote these movies as they should be promoted. Remember: Disney gains nothing from the success of these movies, and loses nothing if they fail.
There is also quite a bit of Not-Invented-Here attitude that is quite apparent in what little promotion there has been.
I was lucky enough to see Spirited Away on the big screen. My girlfriend and I went to the 7:45 PM showing on a Saturday. We were the only ones in the audience. The print looked almost new, as if the theatre hadn't been bothering to run it to an empty house. Local promotion? There was only the simple one-line listing in the newspaper. There were NO posters, one-sheets, lobby cards, stand-ups, or anything in or around the theatre. No wonder I got a private showing. Even if the general public had heard of the movie, no one would know it was playing at that theatre.
To sum up: Disney is burying this movie, just as they did with Mononoke. It may not be entirely intentional, but it is still occuring.
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Disney's main strength has never been the quality of its movies. Marketing the hell out of those movies using media blitz, "collectible videos", and all manner of plush dolls has been their main strength.
So what do you do when your company can't afford to develop its product in-house? You contract out to the specialists. Sometimes you get beautiful results (Fantasia 2000). Sometimes you get mediocre results (Spirited Away).
It's always a crapshoot when you contract your work out, but it's almost always cheaper. It allows you to focus on your core competencies and let's someone else focus on theirs.
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would someone explain to me why slashdot is cheering on a disney movie? (The largely fash driven website didn't explain)
Know what I like about atheists? I've yet to meet one that believes God is on their side.
just like disney to make a category just to win at something
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
As for Beauty and the Beast being nominated, I thought The Little Mermaid and Lion King had better storylines.
Not since Marie-Antoinette played milkmaid has looking simple and honest been so fake and complicated.
This story really speaks to the maturity level of the slashdot crowd.
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I tried to see where it'd be playing around here (NYC)... entered my ZIP... the only one it came up with was some little dinky place on 12th St in Manhattan. Either it hasn't really opened yet, or the 1000 theaters mentioned in the write-up are stretched really thin. /., if I don't like Disney, I don't like Disney. As in, won't spend my money on their profit instead of ranting and raving about how bad they are (at least while I can avoid it, being a child at heart but childless in life for the moment :)
Not like i care much - unlike lots of people on
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That, my man, was an exellent Astroturfing job. Kudos!
"They'll spend the same time and money promoting Spirited Away for Academy Awards"
Lets see, would this be called the Old Boys' club? Take only notice of movies developed (or promoted) by members of the Old Boys' club. Throw maybe one or two other movies in just for show. Congradulate the rest of the Old Boys for their work well done, hope to see you after another glorius profit making year.
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Spirited Away was entertaining as an exercise in wierdness for the sake of wierdness. It is not by any stretch my favorite or even a film I'd recommend to non hardcore anime enthusiasts. Typical ultra-smooth, beautiful animation. But some of the characters were just bizarre... the huge-nosed woman who runs the bath house, the eating monster... The soundtrack should be 'Twilight Zone' by Rush.
DO NOT take small children to see Spirited Away! They WILL cry, like all the small kids in the theatre when I saw it. I figure 10 - 12 would be OK, but definitely keep the 6 year olds home.
You must visit http://www.nausicaa.net
They cover the whole movie and the places where you can watch it. You must see this movie, it's that good.
Ok, now since this is the fourth Tuesday this month we like and support Disney?
I buy from the MPAA, but I also give to EFF because I take the Lessig Challenge. But even so, I don't buy from The Walt Disney Company because the company had a hand in not only the DMCA but also the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act.
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After stumbling upon this cartoon fan site which I had never heard of, which goes by the name of "Slashdot", I clicked on the link "Bugs" on the left-hand side of the page, hoping to perhaps find some recent news about one of my all-time favourite cartoon characters, Bugs Bunny. I didn't get what I expected, instead I was re-directed to some strange site called SourceForge.net. I assumed it must have been an old link, perhaps left there by the previous nerdy webmasters who were engaged in some sort of open source project... Then when I returned to the cartoon fan site Slashdot, I began to wonder, what was this site really all about anyways? Either way, it will always have a permanent spot in my Bookmark file's "kiddy-stuff" sub-folder.
Then Nausicaa.net should get you up to speed.
Summary Poem:
Through the tunnel,
There was a town of wonder.
It was an inconceivable place,
Where inconceivable things happened.
A world existed right next to the humans' world,
A world humans could never see.
Local gods and various lesser deities,
Goblins and monsters.
It was a hot springs town,
Where old gods came to heal their illness and wounds.
10 year-old Chihiro wanders into this world,
Where humans shouldn't enter.
Chihiro can only survive in this world if she accepts two conditions:
To work for Yu-baaba, an avaricious witch
Who rules the huge bath house at the center of the town.
And to be deprived of her name and become a non-human.
Chihiro lost her name, and began working under her new name, Sen.
In the town of surprise and wonder, Chihiro comes to know
A huge sense of helplessness... and a small amount of hope.
However, in this difficult world, she discovers many things,
And Chihiro becomes more lively than she ever was.
Kamajii, the boiler keeper with his rich life experience.
Rin, who teaches Chihiro the work at the bath house.
Susuwatari, who carry coal.
Bou, the son of Yu-baaba.
The god of the river, a refugee from the human's world, who is covered with trash and sludge.
Kaonashi, the masked man.
Zeniiba, the twin sister of Yu-baaba.
Unimaginable things keep happening.
Chihiro's sleeping "power to live"
Has gradually begun to awaken.
And Chihiro meets Haku, a handsome but mysterious boy.
The encounter of a boy and a girl, tied together by a promise.
With awakening memories,
They understand and help each other.
Can Chihiro take her name back,
And return to the humans' world....?
On another note, could we perhaps link to Studio Ghibli when discussing their films in the future? It might reduce the number of "We Hate Disney" posts. It is unfortunate that Disney got the release rights to the Miyazaki/Ghibli films, but I'd rather rant about them somewhere else (for those of you who don't know who Miyazaki is check this out).
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afaik so far my closest options have been Boston and NYC. As I live ~2 hours (NW Connecticut) from either, I haven't gotten the chance. I'd support a broader release.
ALL of his cartoons star them.
I'm worried about him, personally....
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Spirited Away is a gorgeous movie. Don't judge it by the distributor (Disney)...it can stand on its own. Disney made a very smart decision to back a film that, in terms of the quality, artfulness and sophistication of its animation, simply blows away most modern animated films.
I was a bit dubious when a friend of mine told me I had to go see it, but he wouldn't stop praising it. I'm glad I went. It is visually stunning and charmingly quirky in a way I would describe as "Alice in Wonderland, Japanese-style." Miyazaki has produced a superb piece of work.
They need to be bought out and disolved, so art can continue. Look at all the crappy studios disney runs and ends up producing total crap. The only exception is pixar, but we all know they only distribute for pixar. All of the other studio's disney owns produce crap. Someone please disolve disney and throw away all of their stolen copyright. Yeah, it's flame bait. Fuck disney.
No... seriously. Watch it first, then comment.
I did and I must say wonderful story and it's much better than Mononoke Hime.
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Spirited Away has nothing to do with Disney, other than the advertising. It's an anime film, and is therefore a lot closer to Princess Monononke (you've seen it or at least heard about it, right?) or even Ghost in the Shell (you've heard about THAT one).
I saw it a couple of weeks ago in theatres, and I was definitely glad I did. Something like half the people here would probably not "get" it and walk from the theatre disappointed, but it was an incredible display of imagination, beautiful animation, and the most refreshing break from Hollywood crap since... well... since a long time. I enjoyed it a lot more than Princess Mononoke, as well.
About the closest analogy I can find, without discussing the plot and characters, is "Alice in Wonderland". If you think Alice in Wonderland's stupid, or if you just don't get it, you won't like this. (and this movie, like Alice in Wonderland, can be enjoyed by kids - but it can be enjoyed by adults even more).
I don't know if your petition is serious, and you actually want to get a job on that show... But if you are, starting a cheesy online petition in which you state that the show sucks probably isn't your best bet.
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Suffice to say I'm not expecting Oscars to be heading the way of anime directors any time soon.
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In New Mexico...
It played at the Century Theatres.
I saw the first show and took my 3 year old...
She liked it but thought some of it was a little weird... I think the little pieces of coal were the scariest thing for her...
It was wonderful to see it on the big screen... I went out and bought it at my local Japanese animation import shop right after the movie...
Definitely an enjoyable movie but it was out here more than a month and a half ago, so this doesn't seem the most current news...
Where are the hot anime chicks with the flaming hair-dos and swords? Huh? What about the some bad ass spaceships and mechs? What about VAMPIRES, HUH? NOT ONE FUCKING VAMPIRE!
And to top it off, there is no obligitory $OBJECT blowing up in a slow motion 6 frame sequence...
Anime, my ass...
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I really admired SA. It possesses some of the most beautiful images I've seen in a long time on the big screen, plus a simple story that contained enough emotional layers that almost anyone could get into it. If you're not familiar with Miyazaki's work, this is probably the most accessible (and hence the reason Disney picked it up). I would certainly see it again, and though I personally don't feel it should be up for Best Picture or anything like that, it certainly deserves at least a nod from the self-congratulatory Academy. My two cents, anyway :)
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Indeed. It's cool to be a corporate shill, apparently. And ignorance also seems to factor highly on the trendiness scale, too.
Most web developers sound like Lionel Hutz:
"I'm not really a lawyer, but I watched Matlock in a bar last night. The sound was turned down, but I think I got the gist of it."
And then they think they can just "decide", out of the blue, what is good and bad, correct and incorrect, and say patently crazy things like "I can hide HTML source" [see my journal for a laugh-a-minute exchange]
"Disney chairman Richard W. Cook says that they've budgeted to market Spirited Away in up to 1,000 North American theaters, and if the Oscars endorse it as much as Metacritic has, Disney will launch it"
A thousand theaters. In that case, I'll never see it in a theater, considering every one of them in my area is Pro-big budget Hollywood movies.
That being the case, I will try for the first time the same thing most Anime fans have been doing for some time -- ordering the DVD that has already been released in Japan and having it shipped over here so I can watch it on my region free player.(I looked at it already and it does have English captions)
It's $100 for a DVD or a 6 1/2 hour drive to Calgary ($140 for gas and trip expenses, minus the cost of the ticket)
And it does sound very good...
You should be more worried about Disney when several of Disney's cartoon characters... DON'T EVEN WEAR PANTS!
Donald Duck and Pooh Bear spring to mind.
Pooh? A charecter for kids named after fecces?? What's up with that?
PS. Refresh my memory. Where was the "Little Girl" in Princess Mononoke?
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It's not a Disney movie. It's from Studio Ghibli in Japan
Monsters, Inc. is not a Disney movie. It's from Pixar. So is that Nemo movie.
Cents from every dollar you spend on tickets to see this movie are still going to the defense of bad copyright laws such as the DMCA and the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act and to lobbying for their sequels: the CBDTPA, the Broadcast Flag, the two Berman bills, and the Chastity Bono Act of 2018 that adds yet another 20 years to Mickey Mouse's copyright term.
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So books are incapable of being entertaining, then?
Motiion, colours, and sounds obviously can be entertaining, but to say that entertainment requires them is just rubbish.
I am a graphics artist,
There's a shock.:)
my web site took a long time to conceptualize, design, and implement (for the graphics). I don't want to deal with the inconsistencies between the rendering of web pages done on all browsers.
Then don't design web pages. Seriously. There are all kinds of neat opportunities to do graphic design on paper or even film, and the finished product will look the same to every one who looks at it. But one of the great things about the web is that the way web pages are presented is ultimately under the control of the viewer, not the author. And if one of the great strengths of the medium bugs you, then honestly, maybe it's not the medium for you.
Not that I'm rabidly anti-Flash; I play and enjoy Flash games. If your specific purpose is to create a graphical toy, then Flash works great. But if you have any info at all you're trying to convey (like, say, letting people know about an upcoming movie) then Flash is a bad way to go.
So, anyway, about that movie...
I was simply bown away watching a 4,5 and 6 year old glued to the screen for the entire movie. No potty breaks and no wandering minds. Hell, my oldest probably caught only 10% of the subtitles.
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This movie is a must see for anime enthusiasts, Hayao Miyazaki is known for his amazing work in creating anime that can not be contended with. Spirited Away and all of Miyazaki's creations are not like the usual anime that most people are used to seeing. His works have a amazing story line, amazing visual effects , great animation and little or no fighting. His work is more like a real movie then a animation or Disney flick. I recently saw Spirited away In a dende theater in Australia and it blew me away I haven't seen any other anime of this quality before. Princess Mononoke is another example of one of his works . This movie was the biggest grossing movie of all time before Titanic was released. I personally have his dvd collection of all his works and recommend it. I don't believe I have seen any movie or anime tell a story so well as he pulls off in his creations. check out this fan page. Its got alot more info then the studio ghibli page has. http://www.nausicaa.net/
It's flamebait because he knows it's not /.'s fault that his company filters it. Slashdot never promised to be safe enough for my company's filter or yours or anyone elses. And unless you're paying them for the service (which you probably aren't) then you don't have any right to say what they should or shouldn't put on the sight. Even if you DO pay for slashdot, it doesn't give you the right, just a little voice with which you can ask nicely.
The problem with judging Spirited Away alongside this year's stock of American films is the lack of knowledge of the symbolism/references in the anime which are foreign and unrecognized in American culture. I hope the judges do their homework, which may enable them to realize the full brilliance of the movie. Also, Spirited Away helps us familiarize ourselves a bit more with the mentality of Japanese society. While it may be as magical as Alice in Wonderland there are plenty of differences between Alice's Wonderland and Chihiro's Wonderland. I, for one, appreciated seeing a "spirit house", let alone the huge, very important bathhouse operation.
Ok, that's a fair claim. ;)
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Wait a minute. Shrek was not positive in it's ending at all! The Ugly guy can only have an ugly girl??
Tale as old as time
Song as old as rhyme
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The story's focus on Disney is completely idiotic. Focus on the company that made the film, not the one that succeeded in getting it after ripping off or destroying as much Japanese anime as it could up to now.
I don't know how the voiceovers are in English. If possible, see the Japanese version with subtitles as well some time, it is quite impressive. Of course Hayao Miyazaki's work is all fabulous. Check out Laputa!
P.S. There is a book of Spirited Away as well, in English I believe. And in convenience stores they also sell segments of the movie as gorgeous shot-by-shot full color glossy manga books. Lots of Spirited Away (Sen to Chihiro) stuff. I believe there is a shop in New York that handles tons of Japanese anime related stuff downtown.
Incidentally the name Sen to Chihiro refers to her name being stolen (I won't say by whom). The only character left can be read as Sen as well as Chi. Sen means a thousand.
I've sen "Spirited Away" on a large screen twice now. The film is so rich that, like all good art, it gets better with more study. Beyond the story, the incidental artwork in so many of the scenes is breath taking. I am looking forward to the DVD so I can actually freeze frames and just look more closely at the landscapes, the interior sets, the tapestries, etc. My feeling is that Disney is completely outclassed by this work. They [Disney] are intellectualy bankrupt. If they can use their influence and ample cash reserves to promote something of this quality, I am all for it. My only hope is they do not lock the artist up in a Disney contract for a string of pictures that reflects their dead end concepts of "product." A clear example of this "opportunity" is the Jackie Chan deal. His Disney funded movies are TERRIBLE! They all have that lame "written by committee running a formula" feel. If they want to promote the work, fine. If they need to CONTROL FUTURE CONTENT, we could be screwed.
or worse, like the dpt kook who is not a webdeveloper but knows everything about how everyone else should develop.
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I'll bet that the graphic artist makes more money than a worn out COBOL code monkey like yourself
I've never written COBOL in my life. However, I'd have more respect for a COBOL program than someone who is so l33t they write "full blown text editors in Javascript!!"
And most graphic editors who migrated to the web were the second rate ones ie those who couldn't cut it elsewhere, so i doubt he's being paid much at all, looking at the average rates.
It is NOT the nature of the web nor was it designed that way
You have already proven that you do not know the first thing about the design of the web. Go to http://w3.org. Start reading. When you get some sort of clue, stop.
The WWW was intended to be a way to transfer information while maintaining the integrity of that information
Your assertion, which is wrong.
Information is not plain ascii text, but also color, fonts, shapes, images and sound
Right.
Any multimedia information must retain it's integrity otherwise information is lost
Yes, but you started with a spurious association, so you lose. The web was designed for document transfer, hyperlinking and universal display. Anything else must be added very slowly and very carefully. But, of course, dimwits who like Flash can't participate in that kind of process.
By nature of it's acceptance, flash has become a standard
Really, and where is that standard, exactly? Is it documented anywhere?
It's a hell of a lot more secure than most of the other software on your system, and that includes the Linux kernel..
You have demonstrated a completed lack of clue in security related matters already, in my journal. Or do you *still* think you can "hide the HTML source" from the person who downloaded it? Explain exactly how you can "encrypt" it.
Flash exists because the W3C failed to deliver on SVG, HTML+Time and other important technologies which are needed to advance the web to take full advantage of it's potential
Generally, I agree, but even SVG wouldn't be necessary if people didn't prefer bright, shiny, dumb things to sensible, interoperable, and intelligent things.
So you know more about entertainment than a multibillion dollar world leader in entertainment
I didn't say, that woogieoogiegolliwog. I said they don't understand the web, like you.
or worse, like the dpt kook
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Why is it then, woogieoogieboogie, that you are considered a kook in every newsgroup you frequent?
Type "william platt" into Google groups, and all you see are people wishing the kook would just go away. Don't like being on the other end, do you? But your insecurities are fairly easy to pick up on from your mad rantings, and it's certainly fun to throw rocks at you, and watch you screech.
According to Yahoo, a programmer 1 makes 45k and a web designer 1 makes 42k and a sysadmin makes 58k. You must hate being a programmer and being on the bottom of the pay scale. are you afraid of losign your job to some Indian IT firm. LOL
HTML != WWW.
hmm, wonder where that journal thread went off into security.
If you do not know how to encrypt a html file, then you should not be arguing. Perhaps one day you will be enlightened and actually use IE so that you can understand the way dynamic content is rendered in that browser. Then you might finally get a clue as to why html source can be hidden.
... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed...
You must hate being a programmer and being on the bottom of the pay scale
... were you dropped on your head at birth, or did Pappy just beat you too hard?
That's actually wrong. But since you've never *had* a real professional computing job, what the fuck would you know, anyway?
"According to Yahoo"
I was lucky enough to see one of the screenings Disney did at their El Capitan theater in Hollywood in Japanese with subtitles. I remember there was a HUGE line out the theater and there was a sign when we came out saying due to popular demand, they had added another subtitled show that night. Cool, huh? I don't give Disney any credit in this except they brought good anime to America and to a wider audience.
And I still can't get the music to the movie out of my head...Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away definitely rate on my all time favorites list.
All of Disney's recent outings have been flops. If it wasn't for Pixar, they'd have sunk by now. Unfortunately for Disney, they only have the rights to a couple more movies from Pixar before that contract ends.
Disney must be looking for another cash cow and Japan seems like the best place to start searching.
I am a Karma Library.
Drawings and anime are two different things. Granted, "animation" is made up of a sequence of still drawings, technical crap, blah blah blah, but you're nit-picking. The drawings you're referring to, from Japanese "pillow books," are the first record from which is derived the modern Japanese charicature style, yes. Pillow books were sex how-to books, not entertainment per se (well, that depends on whether or not you got to participate in the lessons, I suppose.) They are the forerunner of many other forms of Japanese art as well. The original designer of Astro Boy was also influenced by America's "Betty Boop" cartoons, which were also fairly risque for a cartoon. He liked the style for its technical merits (BESM, or Big Eyes, Small Mouth), not for its titillation value.
Due to one bad review in a British newspaper of an anime that had nothing dirty about it, anime has been branded as pornographic by the English-speaking portion of western society. The original victim of this criticism was the OAV series, "Oh! My Goddess," AKA "Aa! Megami-sama" in Japan. This is an incredibly sweet, sometimes maudlin, romantic comedy about a Japanese student who dials a wrong number and ends up with a Nordic goddess as his girlfriend (short short version.)
Pornographic material is called "hentai" in Japan, whether it be in comic book, animated, or live-action form. It is prevalent if you're looking for it, just as porn magazines and videos in the US. It represents maybe less than 10% of all anime ever created. It's just like saying all American live-action movies are pornographic, based on the Puritanical criticism of someone living in another country seeing one American movie they didn't like and branding the entire genre thereafter as smut.
You have to wonder what kind of mind a censor has to have in order to be able to gauge what is pornographic and what isn't. "It takes one to know one," as the saying goes. What's more disgusting, the person with an open, healthy attitude about sex, or the closet pervert who cries foul and points and cover his eyes, all the while peeking between his fingers to get a better look? I seriously suspect that the loudest critics of sexual morals throughout the ages have been homely, sanctimonious men who were bitter because they weren't getting any, but were smart enough to cloak their attempts to drag everyone else down with them in the guise of searching for spiritual enlightenment, etc.
I live in Japan. I am super-otaku (someday, I will be ota-king!) I currently enjoy the luxury of living outside of the American corporate media system. How sweet it is.
"Give a man fire, and he'll be warm for a day; set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life
Yahoo keeps track of reviews by major newspapers, mags, and film websites. Out of the 15 reviews the lowest it scored was a B+ and that only happend twice.
& cf =critic&intl=us
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808405164
This is my favorate movie, I saw it opeaning night in hollywood, and I hope it wins best picture but I doubt it. It probably will not even make 10 million in the US.
...and better yet WINS an Academy Award, the statue should be handed directly to Hayao Miyazaki and noone else. That's his baby. To have Disney step onto the stage and take credit for this astonishing film would be a disgrace. Screw the "must be an active producer" rules. Miyazaki deserves that honor, not the rip-off artists at Disney.
And while I'm on the subject, if an Anime motion picture can win an academy award, then it must be a legitimate art form worth a look from the "mainstream." Hopefully, that sort of wake-up call could get America out of it's "animation is for kids and can't be taken seriously" slump...
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The original title is 'Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi', for those who care :-)
It won a prize at some Berlin (Germany) festival, the Gold Bear
I saw it in France around a year ago, and even if there were some long scenes imo, it's still a pretty darn good movie.
Of course, some things are lost in the translation (for instance, why is Chihiro sometimes called 'Sen' isn't that easy to get if you don't know some japanese basics).
You can also find some ecological references (river god), and things like that.
I was in Japan in july, around the time it was released in DVD, and boy, it was totally crazy: any shop related more or less to video, anime, games, you-name-it had TVs with the DVDs / tape rolling ! (and i don't even mention related merchandise)
All in all, a decent movie imo ^_^
Tsuyoikoto ha taisetsu da ne, dakedo namida mo hitsuyousa (Strength is an important thing, but tears too are necessary)
"Porco Rosso" stars a grown-up male pig.
Ever hear of the CSS1 !important rule. Geesh you are an idiot
So, as well as looking like a chimp, it appears you think like one. From the CSS2 spec, sec 6.2:
'user "!important" rules override author "!important" rules'
So, you are proven to be a *fucking* stupid monkey yet *again*. It's now clear that you like referring to specs you don't read.
I'm also quite free *not* to use *any* author stylesheet when rendering the page.
Jesus Christ, how much of a public slapping can you take, woogieoogiegolliwog? Where's that web site that you work on, boy? Is it too embarrassing to show anyone? I thought so.
So we have most of Slashdot whinging about how Disney rips off old stories, and now most of Slashdot raves about a story ripped off from the Wizard of Oz.
hmmm...
Flash is often abused. For every good use of flash, there are 100 bad ones. And macromedia needs to keep up on ports, I'm not gonna run windows to see yur usless "web site".
I _resonated_ with this movie.
Anyone who's been 10-11 and changed schools
will understand what I'm talking about.
Does anyone know if the house of spirits metaphor
means something special in Japanese culture?
Something that got lost in translation?
Show me a webpage with hidden source, and I'll show you how to unhide it. Try me, I dare you.
If you understand webdevelopment, then you should easily understand why it can be done. IE does not show the source code, you can only access it via script and with a broken DOM, you cannot access it
... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed...
I think 2002 will be a much better year for Disney animated features.
Lilo & Stitch did good business at the box office and was very well-received by critics; it appears that Treasure Planet may do this also. It appears that Disney has learned from the horrid experiences of The Emperor's New Groove, Dinosaur and Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and the upper management kept pretty much hands-off on this year's feature releases.
yeah, right, I am just going to tell everyone where I work. You are beyond fucking retarded. My personal work is on the web and never hidden. iSpelunker is being rewritten, e-tards which highlights stupid peopel like you is also being worked on. Unlike you, I have a job and I do freelance work which means time is limited.
Yes, the !important rule is also in the CSS2 spec, you really taught me soemthing there. NOT!!!!
Perhaps you should take web authoring 101 and you will find out that the author can choose to not deliver the content to whomever they wish and can create conditions which force you to use their style sheet.
I wonder why you did not reply to the part about the dynamcally generated html and dynamic assignment of styles. Must be because you are so damn clueless.
Amazing how retards like you keep wondering why authors simply ignore Moz and Opera. it isn't the browser, we just do not like the jackasses using them.
Have fun writing style sheets which override every style class on every website.
... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed...
If you understand webdevelopment, then you should easily understand why it can be done
You stupid monkey. I've explained plenty of times that it *cannot*. Get it into your simian fucking skull.
IE does not show the source code, you can only access it via script and with a broken DOM, you cannot access it
For the last time, it doesn't matter what IE does or does not show. Jesus! You've got to send it over the network. Therefore it is not "hidden", as anyone can see it. It doesn't matter that you send it as XML+XSLT to be transformed to HTML, as anyone can simply perform that same transformation using the XML+XSLT you sent. Can you really be this stupid? Please go and learn something about TCP/IP, networks, computing, and simple logic.
You should also start being nice to your admins, you wouldn't want your files to suddenly become corrupted would you.
... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed...
I bought that film based on reviews here.
I was very disappointed with that film. It could have been trimmed down by 1/2 an hour (at least) which would have made the film paced better and eliminate the parts that just don't help the story.
Based on the reviews here, I'm worried this film will be another Mononoke. I'm certainly not going to buy it this time.
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
About the idea of Spirited Away being nominated for best picture, won't happen. The new category of best animated picture was created by the MPA specifically so that animated movies wouldn't be nominated for the best picture award.
No it is not wrong. The salary surveys are extremely accurate
Then why are those figures so small? Let me guess, this is what you consider to be "well compensated"?
You should also start being nice to your admins, you wouldn't want your files to suddenly become corrupted would you
Admins do as they are damn well told. They exist to support me, and that is all. And as for file corruption, well, it's obvious that you are no professional now, isn't it?
Ohhh, you sure did slap me. Not. Try using CSS and see how far your generic elements get you when an author uses !important on a class or id. Duh. I just love it when rookies like youself read something and think you have a clue
Yes, the !important rule is also in the CSS2 spec, you really taught me soemthing there. NOT!!!!
You *idiot*. If you had read the quote I provided, you would see that the user's "!important" setting overrides the author's. This has *changed* from CSS1. You stupid monkey. Read things before posting moronic replies.
Anyway, looks like I win. You lose. Again.
Perhaps you should take web authoring 101 and you will find out that the author can choose to not deliver the content to whomever they wish and can create conditions which force you to use their style sheet
Only by being annoying pratts. Why would any *competant* person want to do this, anyway? Been using transparent gifs for layout again, chimp-boy?
yeah, right, I am just going to tell everyone where I work
Typical. You keep jumping up and down and whining, insisting that *I* do. Coward.
You are beyond fucking retarded
Again with the insults. Yet you are wrong *again*.
My personal work is on the web and never hidden
Except it's just not particularly good. There must be *something* to warrant all this bragging, surely?
iSpelunker is being rewritten
Good idea. What you had looked like it was done by a retarded chimp. Sorry, it actually was, wasn't it?
e-tards which highlights stupid peopel like you is also being worked on. Unlike you, I have a job and I do freelance work which means time is limited
I'm so scared. Except to put my posts on e-tards, you'll have to put your own, and if you don't know that lamers who claim it is possible to "hide" HTML source is one of the biggest running jokes of the internet, there's just no helping you.
Tell me, do you have a compression algorithm that can compress random data as well?
Go ahead and do it and if you can I will write server and client activex componants which encrypt/deencrypt the source xml and xslt files before they are transformed, then what do you have, nothing but a tcpdump of gibberish which can only be viewed using my clientside componant
You cannot be this stupid can you.
... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed...
Try troll you moron.
... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed...
...I have seen it twice at the theater. I would gladly go again to see it if it was subtitled with the original Japanese soundtrack - I am curious to see if it would be as good with that magical voice of Daveigh Chase. The girl has been getting work - first "Lilo and Stitch", then this and then the "The Ring".
More than lush fluid animation, the film has that undefinable quality that is missing in so many films....charm. I hope it gets more than the limited release it had. I hope it gets the recognition it deserves.
I'm in Mexico, and while I'm wuite fluent in English, I'd obviously love to be able to share this movie whit my wife/family/friends who are not. Is there any way I can get it on DVD with Spanish subtitles? DVD region is not a problem, and neither is price (within reason).
Thanks for any pointers...
Yeah, I wrote "wiute" instead of "quite" on a sentence regarding my English fluency. Im "wiute" aware of the irony of it all, and embarassed beside myself. Sorry about thar :S /me kicks himself.
Still... the movie? On DVD? Spanish subtitles? Pretty please?
A disproportionate amount of anime pr0n gets brought over and translated here in the USA. Go look in most large direct-sales video stores that carry a dedicated selection of anime. It's really pathetic.
Anime porn is pathetic, but otherwise I disagree with your statement, I believe what you see is the fault of the store, not what is "brought over". What ends up on the shelves on any particular store doesn't really reflect what is released, just what happens to sell in *that* store.
Except for a local FYE / (formerly Disc Jockey?) which has a very small anime section, locally and in several other locales I have checked around the US, the hentai that is on the shelves usually only amounts to 5% of the anime, at most. Best Buy, Suncoast, Media Play, Electronics Boutique and the "indie" shops carry about that much or less of the porn kind of anime, the exceptions may be the stores that specifically stock porn.
A mail order catalog that I happen to get has a small tear-out section of hentai that accounts for maybe twenty pages out of 300. The tear-out section is obstensibly their attempt at serving everyone so the catalog can be kept in places where there might be children.
...for a children's movie?
This was a classic movie-for-kids that Disney has been marketing well for decades. They knew fully well it should not have been released in the art houses. When I saw it there wasn't a single child in the audience.
The dub was great. They re-synched the mouths to the English words. Could have been a breakthrough movie for Disney. They screwed it up and promoted the heck out of "Lilo and Stitch," a stinker based on "The Ugly Duckling" with five good jokes.
I just hope "Treasure Planet" is as good as it looks, not as bad as these morons keep trying to make their movies.
My protest: I'm going to see "Solaris" instead of "Treasure Planet" today.
Eternal vigilance only works if you look in every direction.
Wondering how any given movie will end? Here it is:
1. Hero and bad guy will engage in a fight to the death. Hero is the underdog. Bad guy might "cheat" somehow.
2. Hero wins fight fairly, possibly even saving bad guy from certain death. Hero decides to let bad guy live, because killing bad guy would "make me just as bad as him." Nevermind that this makes no sense.
3. After havin his life spared by hero, bad guy makes one last effort to kill hero, and ends up falling to his own death. This satisfies the viewer's need for justice without getting the hero's hands dirty.
B&tB and the Lion King both end this way. So does Spiderman, more or less. The crappy J Lo movie "Enough" did, as did a recent Tommy Lee Jones & Judd sister movie. I now go into movies expecting them to end this way.
Contrast this with Superman 2, in which Superman, after rendering General Zod and the gang powerless, kills Zod and watches in glee as the others die. Way to go Supes! Of course if he had a nuke-proof phantom zone handy he probably would have put them in that.
If this is my last post ever then it is because I have pissed off the Hollywood writers mafia by revealing their secret and they are coming to get me! Good-bye everyone, I'll miss ya!
[/spoiler alert!]
Lasers Controlled Games!
Only windows and Mac OS have flash 6. I have flash 5 and it works, but not on some new content. Some of the platforms you mention noly have flash 4.
By nature of it's acceptance, flash has become a standard
p ers/security.pdf
Really? And where is this "standard" published, chimp?
You haven't seen evidence that the flash plugin is secure because you haven't looked. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/flash/whitepa
That's a statement of intent, yes. But hardly any kind of evidence. It will continue to be banned by organizations that care about, and understand security.
Time to get yourself some kind of education, I think.
Macromedia. Cmon, please argue this, please tell me Macromedia does not create standards because they are not a bona fide standards organization... please do it, please, please, please... Aww, fuck it. The w3c is also NOT a standards organization, if you claim that flash is not a standard by nature of it's ubiquity, then neither is (X)HTML, XML, CSS or any webstandard outside of ISO HTML 4.0 and ECMAscript.
Lookie and watch the little wannabee code monkey try and crawl it's way out of this. LOL.
... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed...
[snip mad ranting]
No, I'm not interested in what is a standards organization or not. To be a standard of any kind, it must be published somewhere. The content of a flash "executable" that you download is not. Therefore it is not a standard.
It is just popular amongst dimwits, like you.
Now, where's that web site with "unreadable" source?
There is no rule that says that a standard has to be open or that anything has to be published. Soemthing is a standard because it is made so by a bona fide standards agency or by ubiquity.
But since it makes you happy to think such things and I love making you look like a retard flash file format
... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed...
But since it makes you happy to think such things and I love making you look like a retard flash file format [macromedia.com]
... there are probably others. See my journal for the laugh-a-minute voyage through ignorance.
... time will tell.
...
Actually, this is the first time you've been right! It had to happen eventually I guess.
They've released the format so I'm happy to be proven wrong, in this case. If non-macromedia tools and players are released, I'll be able to take it seriously.
Pratt's list of topic he has gotten wrong so far:
* TCP/IP
* tcpdump
* CSS !important priorities
* hiding HTML
* RSA encryption
But, I'm happy to say I was wrong about the Flash format. Unlike you, I'm man enough to admit it. If I was *you*, I'd currently be trying to weasel out of it by demanding an implementation of a Flash player.
I wonder how long ago this happened - I guess all that lobbying by sensible people has paid off! I can't image what Macromedia's business model will be, once free tools exist
Now, where's that "hidden" web site source? Do it or forever be branded a cowardly lamer
Before you continue, you really might try installing windows on a computer and learning a bit about IE specific features. if you wish to keep arguing about things based upon your own ignorance of the topic, don't let me stop you, I like laughing at you. But if you prefer to actually learn and increase your knowledge,
And what besides pointing you to the tcp/ip RFC did I get wrong. What besides correctly referencing the CSS1 spec for the !important rule which overrides client styles. There is no UA which is fully CSS2 compliant which means that any implementation of CSS2 features is a broken UA unless all CSS2 features are implemented. So if your CSS1 compliant UA is not obeying the CSS1 rules for !important, then your UA is not even CSS1 compliant and is not "standards compliant." I have already proven and fully explained why the HTML source can be hidden. When you finally understand there is no "master public key" for encryption and actually get a clue about how IE renders HTML dynamically, then you will understand. Knowledge is power and until you achieve knowledge, you have no power. Perhaps you can try to obtain the knowledge by doing and using the tools of the trade.
If you were actually an intelligent person, you would take the methods discussed and see if you can hide the HTML source from yourself. Then you would instantly know why it is possible. Most intelligent people don't argue until they know the facts, you argue based upon limited knowledge and what your believe.
Read and learn.= /workshop/browser/overview/overview.asp
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url
Embed a browser in a browser
Are you getting a clue yet. There are many different ways that the html source can made completely and totally hidden. Once you get past your skript kiddie mentality and learn how to program in windows and how to program within the iexplorer environment, you will get a clue.
Let me give you another example. I can embed a browsercontrol in a custome activex control in a webpage in the control and send the html file as encrypted binary data which can only be viewed and decrypted in that control. Memory dumps do not work unless you set the sourcePreservation bit because MSHTML renders what it thinks you should have written. But please, continue to argue about a topic you have no clue about. I really do not mind if you keep making an ass of yourself, it is very humourous. Continue to live in your own little ignorant and uniformed world pretending to be an IT professional.
... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed...
And what besides pointing you to the tcp/ip RFC did I get wrong
... the process of explaining all this to you was incredibly painful. Luckily it's all well documented in my journal.
...
Confusing HTTP with TCP.
Not understanding that *all* packets can be captured.
Not knowing that tcpdump can capture the entire contents of a packet.
Not understanding that tcpdump is non-intrusive.
And there's more
When you finally understand there is no "master public key" for encryption
I did not say there was a "master public key" - but you must get a public key to the browser somehow - otherwise the browser would not be able to decrypt what you send it. Therefore I can get the key, too. Do you understand yet? Or tell me how you can magically get the public key to the browser without my seeing it as well
actually get a clue about how IE renders HTML dynamically, then you will understand
Yes, but you have to send the JavaScript, or the HTML, or whatever, to *do* that dynamic rendering. That is the source. I can capture it. Therefore there is no way to hide the source.
Are you getting a clue yet. There are many different ways that the html source can made completely and totally hidden. Once you get past your skript kiddie mentality and learn how to program in windows and how to program within the iexplorer environment, you will get a clue
Whatever. You have to send me the source (of whatever form) that describes the page. I can read that, as it flows across the network interface.
Do you have any further retarded comments or lies to spew.
I never said any of the things which you claimed I said. Is it that you have to resort to telling lies to try and make a point.
I said YOU cannot do it. Literacy is obviously not your strong point. Prove you can do what you say you can.
Again, we will go back to encryption. And please never repeat the some ass retarded comment as you said before about you having the "master key." Yes, I know you said a public key, but obviously you think a public key is a "master key" which can deencrypt any encryption. Perhaps you should put away your Cap'n Crunch secret decoder ring and get a clue.
Or tell me how you can magically get the public key to the browser without my seeing it as well
Encapsulated in a fucking com object you stupid fucking retard. Do you need me to teach you hwo to tie your shoes.
Would you like to continue your quest in proving that you are nothing more than a pathetic poser.
... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed...
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1180.html
You've posted this before. Have you read it?
I never said any of the things which you claimed I said. Is it that you have to resort to telling lies to try and make a point
No, it's all there. Look at your first reply to my statement that you can see the data flowing across the network interface, and then when I tried to tell you that tcpdump can be used to demonstrate this. I just did, for a quiet chuckle. Having to walk you through it all step-by-painful-step is not something I'm going to forget in a hurry.
People like you must *hate* this permanent record thing. I'll bet the google usenet archive annoys the hell out of you. It would embarrass me, if I though employers were going to see all that mad rambling attached to me.
Prove you can do what you say you can
What am I supposed to prove again? Get ethereal, you can see all the HTML (or whatever) flowing across the network interface. Done.
Encapsulated in a fucking com object you stupid fucking retard. Do you need me to teach you hwo to tie your shoes
I already refuted this elsewhere. Security through obscurity is no good! Why don't you just admit you can only obfuscate it from people who don't really care?
Yes, I know you said a public key, but obviously you think a public key is a "master key" which can deencrypt any encryption
No, I didn't say that at all. Reread what I said - I said you must give me the public key *before* I can decrypt your page for viewing. And you admit that! Putting it in a component is not an effective technique for security. Please don't do that, and go around telling people their data is safe!
Would you like to continue your quest in proving that you are nothing more than a pathetic poser
Well, it hasn't happened yet, except in you mind, where you can decrypt cipher text without a key, or effectively "hide" the key in a component from everyone.
It's also important to remember that your original two "hiding" schemes are failures. Encryption is better though, at least you're starting to think about it!
I said: "And what besides pointing you to the tcp/ip RFC did I get wrong"
You Said: "Confusing HTTP with TCP."
I replied: "http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1180.html"
You replied: "You've posted this before. Have you read it?"
And you expect people to NOT think you are dimwitted.
No, it's all there. Look at your first reply to my statement that you can see the data flowing across the network interface, and then when I tried to tell you that tcpdump can be used to demonstrate this. I just did, for a quiet chuckle. Having to walk you through it all step-by-painful-step is not something I'm going to forget in a hurry.
You are a fucking liar. I first mentioned tcpdump and you caught on 2 posts later after mumbling some crap about how you have mastered your ehternet interface. You probably never used tcpdump or snort until I mentioned them.
I already refuted this elsewhere. Security through obscurity is no good! Why don't you just admit you can only obfuscate it from people who don't really care?
Errr, retard, com objects are compiled. Oh let me guess, you are going to add in disassembling software into the regiment of tools needed to view HTML source. All security is through obfuscatory, if you do not understand that, get the hell out of the computing profession. Encryption, passwords, door locks etc... they decrease the obviousness of entry or access.
I said you must give me the public key *before* I can decrypt your page for viewing.
Retard, activex objects are compiled so it would kinda make sence to compile the key intot he com object
Well, it hasn't happened yet, except in you mind, where you can decrypt cipher text without a key, or effectively "hide" the key in a component from everyone.
It's also important to remember that your original two "hiding" schemes are failures. Encryption is better though, at least you're starting to think about it!
Go get yourself a winbox by next Sunday. I will post a webpage next Sunday and give you 3 days to pull the HTML source. Your discussion is boring me and you obviously lack ther intellectual capacity to learn.
... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed...
Yes, I am a graphics artist = I cater to end users (don't you care what their experience is? I do, it's my job to!). I'm sorry if that makes me seem like an idiot to you. It's very unfortunate
...
I don't see that Flash caters to end users at all, I'm afraid. Look at this very web site. What couldn't have been expressed with standard web technologies? Anything useful?
Since I am a user, I have to say Flash sites display nothing but contempt towards me. They force me to view information their way, ignoring preferences I might have, force me to look at lame animations to go between pages, don't let me extract text easily, often don't interact with the browser correctly, and so on ad infinitum.
CSS works fine and dandy and it STILL doesn't look the same on all platforms and browsers when implemented properly. Is this acceptable to those concerned that one web browser will choose to render tables one way while another will choose another method. One will render layers one way, another in a completely different way. I can write CSS until my hands bleed and I will still not get consistency
And here is your problem. You will *not* get absolutely perfect consistency. The web wasn't designed that way. Why do you want it, anyway? Think about what it would take to enforce it - at the very least you would have to control my browser size.
most people browsing the web (remember tons of people out there who barely know how to use their computer (they buy software that fuels the need for backend software that provides jobs to us all in one way or another) = the majority of the audience on the web
If you don't tell the public when they are wrong, how can you expect an informed public?
almost anything that can surf the web these days has a Flash Player written for it (if it doesn't yet, believe me it will, Macromedia wants 100% adoption of Flash if possible)
Does FreeBSD? I'm using it right now.
And 100% adoption is something of a nightmare scenario. Do you really want to just cede control of the content and design of the web to one corporation? Especially one that might resort to all sorts of chicanary once they start to topple. And looking at their stock price one can hope their days are numbered.
Flash IS a valid mechanism for web content
Sort of. HTML allows you to embed objects, but to *only* provide support for your information via proprietary viewers, and not the standard web technogies, is a little unprofessional and short sighted.
Look the "Spirited Away" site itself. Would it really have hurt to provide a single page of HTML telling me the stuff that was on the (slow, redundant) Flash site?
I repeat the Flash Player is executable you can easily apply any local system security you want to it
Yes, and it's receiving instructions from some foreign source, and the format, though published, is not exactly easy to check. And as recent events have proven, it's impossible to secure "plug ins" when they themselves are full of bugs.
You also have zero evidence that the plug-in itself is not secure!
So, I have to wait for the first "all you base are belong to us" bug to be exploited, do I?
Here's how it works - we allow incoming traffic through port 80 for a set of well-defined technologies. Adding *anything* else is a risk - including Javascript. You can make a case for the usefulness of Javascript, but Flash? I think I'd tell the employees to go look at movie sites at home.
Many web surfers, on comparable sites (in regard otherwise equal in quality of content and interest in the topics), will prefer to use the one that looks better or is more intuitive!
I've yet to see a Flash site that looks better or is more intuitive. They waste time with lame animations, and they invent a bunch of new, unfamiliar controls.
I also remember the time before Flash, it was mostly visually boring.
Why is that a problem, exactly? Perhaps, as another poster pointed out, you should invent some alternative to the web, get the IETF to allocate you a port for this new "multimedia" internet application, and leave the web alone.
The incompatible islands of content are not really a good argument in the case of Flash. Flash has been installed on over 490 million computers to date (that sounds more like several continents of compatible content)!
As long as they are all Windows machines! The plugin seems pretty flakey on Linux, and what about FreeBSD, Solaris and so on? What happens when macromedia start to collapse and start charging per page created, per view, or whatever? What happens when some other company invents some other multimedia viewing thing, and they start to try to break one another? No, I like things exactly as they are now. Open, and controlled by sensible people, in the main.
If that is not a standard by sheer numbers though not by W3C (which is lately pushing SVG that is really more oriented toward static graphics than animated or web based applications as Flash is?) I don't know what is!
The difference with SVG is that it will be published, and there will be many tools supporting it, not one company. I acknowledge that the Flash format itself was published (due to SVG panic and collapsing stock?), but it's not exactly XML, and therefore easily viewed and manipulated, and designed to work with other web technologies properly, is it? I haven't looked at SVG, but I truly hope that it's not just a knee-jerk reaction to Flash
It all seems to be variations of the same to me.
So? I thought you wanted it to be intuitive. Certainly, new things don't have to be unintuitive, but the risk is quite high, and I find Flash sites quite an ordeal. Which things are buttons? Which are scrollbars? They're all hidden in "clever" ways.
By the way you say, Disney doesn't actually know what they are doing?!?!? This is news to me! How do you figure that? Do you have something personal against the Mouse? Do you really believe that! And you are mocking me?!? Disney has been called many things for their business practices, policies, and principles, but I don't think anyone has ever accused them of not knowing what they are doing (regardless of their morals or of the intent of what they are doing, they know VERY WELL, and they do it better than any other Entertainment Company in the World)!!!
They don't know what they're doing WRT the web, if they don't just provide the information in HTML or XML as well as Flash. I don't know about their movies, the only interesting ones seem to be done by other people and just released by Disney (Toy Story, Spirited Away), which are the only ones I've seen lately. I think they are basically bereft of creativity, mining the public domain for material while trying to destroy it for future generations.
No thanks, please use the proper term, ENVY!
Envy over what? Being creatively backrupt? Nope.
Please *think* about what YOU do by holding such sublime hatred (envy) of organizations with power like Disney. Remember they started humbly and their innovators / entrepreneurs / visionaries / artists worked their a@#es off to get where they are today!
Walt Disney and crew may have. Now? I don't think so. This is, of course, why it's important that copyrights and patents are allowed to expire.
That is the DREAM of this country for many people living here and ALL hoping to someday enter!
It's important to remember that many people living that "dream" never got there via hard work, imagination, or drive. They'll be happy to package that dream for you, to keep you a nice docile cog in the machine, though.
Not to say it can't be achieved, but an awful lot of CEOs don't seem to have ever actually *done* anything, except switch from job to job through the old boy's network, raping and pillaging as they go.
Jealousy never gets you anywhere. Instead of hating all above you, work as hard as they did, move up the ladder by taking equal if not greater risks of falling, and get there yourself by having MUCH better ideas and drive! I'm sure the view is very different from the top. I hope you get there someday (and that others do not harbor hatred toward you just for being there)!
Yes, it would be better to get there via hard work. As far as I can see, Disney is just a pack of executives and their lawyers who screw over smaller artists and their companies who actually do the producing, and lobby to change laws to take away our "fair use" rights and completely kill of the public domain - ironically where Disney gets it's "ideas".
A programmer from a very large computer company went to a software
conference and then returned to report to his manager, saying: "What sort
of programmers work for other companies? They behaved badly and were
unconcerned with appearances. Their hair was long and unkempt and their
clothes were wrinkled and old. They crashed out hospitality suites and they
made rude noises during my presentation."
The manager said: "I should have never sent you to the conference.
Those programmers live beyond the physical world. They consider life absurd,
an accidental coincidence. They come and go without knowing limitations.
Without a care, they live only for their programs. Why should they bother
with social conventions?"
"They are alive within the Tao."
-- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming"
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