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Linux Used To Make "Star Trek, Nemesis"

Mike McCune writes "The "Linux Journal" has a nice article about the switch from Irix to Linux at Digital Domain and the use of Linux in 'Star Trek, Nemesis.' I guess this means that Linux is finally ready for 'The Enterprise.'"

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  1. No by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 5, Funny

    ``I guess this means that Linux is finally ready for 'The Enterprise.'''
    No. It means the Enterprise is finally ready for Linux.

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    1. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Duras Kronos, the Enterprise is ready for Linux!

    2. Re:No by Artifex · · Score: 2
      No. It means the Enterprise is finally ready for Linux.


      Is that why the crash sequence in this movie is so much harsher than in "Generations?" At least with Window 26xx, some apps kept working...
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  2. Data... by coryboehne · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if Data runs on an advanced version of the Linux kernel... It would explain his lack of humor....

    1. Re:Data... by iomud · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Maybe it also explains his aversion to contractions.

    2. Re:Data... by JessLeah · · Score: 2

      Lack of humor? Donno, there is some pretty humorous stuff in the kernel. :) "lpX: printer on fire"? And don't forget all those fun fun swear words... the Linux kernel is not only funny, it's PG-rated!

    3. Re:Data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      My idiot friend recently installed RH 8 and jumped on IRC with a client rinning from root. It gave him the verbatim "Running IRC from root is stupid" message, and he wouldn't shut up about it for the next few weeks: "Linux called me stupid"

      Those wacky Windows people.

    4. Re:Data... by Subcarrier · · Score: 1

      Lack of humor? Donno, there is some pretty humorous stuff in the kernel.

      Lack of humor is available as a separate patch. Linus has so far refused to integrate it into his tree, because it touches a lot of things, there is no conclusive evidence that it improves performance, and we don't need another source of instability right before the 2.6 release. For giggles, you can compile it as a module, though.

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    5. Re:Data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG, that was SO funny! You, sir, are a comedic genius, in the long tradition of Steve Martin, the 3 stooges, and Richard Pryor. I practically wet myself at the hillarity of your joke. Wait, oh, yep, I read it again and that pushed me over the edge. Magnificent. I will change my underwear now. No doubt the moderators will reward your clever humor with a +1000 funny moderation.

      Bah.

    6. Re:Data... by digitalsushi · · Score: 2

      Maybe the next version of Data will come with bzip?

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    7. Re:Data... by ecarlson · · Score: 1

      > I wonder if Data runs on an advanced version of the Linux kernel...

      Shouldn't that be GNU/Data?

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    8. Re:Data... by kalidasa · · Score: 5, Funny

      My idiot friend recently installed RH 8 and jumped on IRC with a client rinning from root. It gave him the verbatim "Running IRC from root is stupid" message, and he wouldn't shut up about it for the next few weeks: "Linux called me stupid"

      Gee, artificial intelligence in Linux. If only there were natural intelligence in users.

    9. Re:Data... by TrekkieGod · · Score: 0

      Nah, it can't be Linux. Nobody else at Starfleet knows how to make other androids, Soong didn't make the software open-source.

      Or, maybe...nobody wants to actually look at the code...you see, if Data's code is GPL'd, and they modify it to build others, they'd have to release the new source to the Romulans, Cardassians, etc...

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    10. Re:Data... by Oloryn · · Score: 1
      I wonder if Data runs on an advanced version of the Linux kernel... It would explain his lack of humor....

      Are you implying that his emotion chip runs on a different OS?

    11. Re:Data... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      "I wonder if Data runs on an advanced version of the Linux kernel... It would explain his lack of humor...."

      Nah, if he did, this is what a conversation would sound like:

      Picard: Data, set a course for the Devidia system, warp 8.

      Data: Syntax error, please see error log for details.

      Picard: *sigh* Man Course

      Data: Entries found: setcrs, clrcrs, setspd, engwrp

      Picard: Data, stcrs Devidia, setspeed warp 8.

      Data: Syntax error, unknown command setspeed. Please see error log for details.

      Picard: Dammit Data! stcrs Devidia, setspd warp8. Honestly, why you don't understand contractions but can't run on fully spelled commands is beyond me.

      Data: Success sir, please see log for details.

    12. Re:Data... by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      A college prof once told me that there were actually printers that would catch on fire. Not sure if they really used that status code though ;-)

    13. Re:Data... by coryboehne · · Score: 2

      Considering the problems it caused, yeah I am.... As a matter of a fact I'll bet it runs on Windows ME.

    14. Re:Data... by The+Original+Yama · · Score: 2

      It's probably an embedded version of Linux, so it is likely that the GNU system has been replaced with something more compact. So no, it wouldn't be "GNU/Data".

    15. Re:Data... by kalidasa · · Score: 2

      I wonder if Data runs on an advanced version of the Linux kernel...

      Of course not. Data runs on the most advanced operating system kernel of the 24th century: the cutting-edge, recently released GNU/Hurd 1.0. Indeed, Dr. Sung was one of the early adopters, and has a picture of RMS hanging in his laboratory, right next to his copy of O'Really's Learning GNU EMACS (Ninety-Fourth Edition).

      Lore ran on GNU/Hurd 0.999999.999. Notice how quickly the Open Source Community fixed that bug! And there were only a few hundred deaths on an obscure colony...

      The Enterprise itself is running VMS, I imagine. No other explanation.

      The Borg obviously run on the most recent iteration of Windows, namely Windows gimel ka (they ran out of Latin alphabet two-letter names two centuries ago). They were quite pissed with Redmond when the Enterprise recently discovered and exploited a long-standing vulnerability that caused all systems in their root domain to go down when one server was given a hibernate command from outside the domain. But Bill G. showed up at Unimatrix 0 in his latest cyborg body with a bunch of freebie licenses and smoothed things over, so they signed up with the New Assimilation License program.

      And the Vulcans, being a more advanced species, run OS XXX (that's pronounced Oh-Ess Ten-Ten-Ten). But they could be running FreeBSD if they wanted to; they just like the three-dimensional alpha blending on the latest Ether desktop. They're just as geeky as everyone else, damnit. It's just more logical to use an operating system with a paid support option behind it.

      And Steve Jobs' frozen head is STILL a genius!

    16. Re:Data... by kalidasa · · Score: 2

      Yah, yah, yah, I meant Unimatrix 1. Just shows how badly the Borg's programming is fouled up: they can't decide if their indices start at 0 or 1.

    17. Re:Data... by kannibul · · Score: 1

      Maybe it is BeOS [i]pi[/i]?

    18. Re:Data... by mmol_6453 · · Score: 2

      They tried that. They compressed his bytecode, and called it Lor.

      The problem was, they forgot to decompress the code before running it, which was why he was always messed up.

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    19. Re:Data... by mmol_6453 · · Score: 2

      Certainly helped improve his ego. :)

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    20. Re:Data... by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

      Considering the problems it caused, yeah I am.... As a matter of a fact I'll bet it runs on Windows ME.

      No, that can't be right. By the time they fought the Borg in First Contact, it was stable and functioning correctly. Obviously that is impossible for anything based on ME.

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  3. Grooooaaannn! by RavenDarkholme · · Score: 5, Funny



    I guess this means that Linux is finally ready for 'The Enterprise.'

    Urge ... to ... KILL ... rising.

    For that, you should surely be PUNished.

    1. Re:Grooooaaannn! by Linux+Freak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That urge can be fought. We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands! But we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers...but we're not going to kill...today. That's all it takes! Knowing that we're not going to kill...today!

    2. Re:Grooooaaannn! by unicron · · Score: 2

      So anti-violence! Are you french?

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    3. Re:Grooooaaannn! by Linux+Freak · · Score: 1

      Er, I take it you haven't seen that particular episode of Star Trek. :p

  4. The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Linux by Frothy+Walrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When companies switch from Irix to Linux, it means one of two things:

    * they bought new SGI workstations, which run Linux, OR
    * they couldn't afford SGI workstations, so they bought other Intel workstations with Linux.

    It's not an amazing breakthrough jump. It's just that SGI barely sells Irix machines anymore.

  5. proves that once you have the application by zenst · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only thing that holds ANY OS or hardware back is applications. Given how well and cheaply a cluster of linux box's can be put together its only a matter of time before people start adopting it. Also the like of MQSERIES (now part of websphere unfortunatly) are available on linux and offer a very simple way to migrate legacy CICS applications or parts of from expensive mainframes, and in a reliable assured way.

  6. And don't forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wesley Crusher uses linux, too!

    1. Re:And don't forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's no selling point.. ...

  7. Sweet!!! One question down...one to go by nebenfun · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Does it support Ogg Vorbis?

    I really want to be able to watch the movie.
    nbfn

    1. Re:Sweet!!! One question down...one to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Does it support Ogg Vorbis? I really want to be able to watch the movie.

      Sucks to be you. Try getting a real distribution that supports mp3 audio next time like the other 99.99% of the world. Luser.

    2. Re:Sweet!!! One question down...one to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Myself, I would have said, "Try buying a ticket and seeing the movie in a theater like the other 99.99% of the world. Fucking pirate asshole." But that's just me.

    3. Re:Sweet!!! One question down...one to go by saskboy · · Score: 1

      Didn't you know? The reason we can hear phaser and photon blasts in the space battle scenes is because the vacuum of space actually is Ogg Vorbis compressed nothingness, and Ogg decoders are built secretly into spaceship hulls. Without the Ogg decoders, the Enterprise wouldn't be able to decode alien transmissions.

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    4. Re:Sweet!!! One question down...one to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because my wife would kill me if I went to see a star trek movie and actually paid for it.

      I'm not joking.

    5. Re:Sweet!!! One question down...one to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      > Because my wife would kill me if I went to see a star trek movie and actually paid for it.

      Sounds like grounds for divorce. Coffee grounds.

      My wife runs Linux. But my wife doesn't run my life :-)

  8. Sequel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    and for the sequel - the use of Linux in making
    M$, Nemesis :)

    1. Re:Sequel by skybird0 · · Score: 1

      Nah. M$ uses freeBSD, not Linux. True fact.

  9. yet another movie using a linux cluster.... by wuchang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    maybe you guys should post articles on movies that don't do their CGI with a Linux cluster (along with their cost of production).

    1. Re:yet another movie using a linux cluster.... by shazbotus · · Score: 0

      Do their "CGI" with a linux cluster? I dont think we are talking about web interfaces here. You must mean CG. Just messin' around. BTW, I have noticed a lot of companies using Linux clusters, it must have something to do with the fact that Linux is the best OS.

    2. Re:yet another movie using a linux cluster.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have noticed a lot of companies going bankrupt, it must have something to do with the fact that Linux is the best OS.

    3. Re:yet another movie using a linux cluster.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nope, he means CGI: computer generated imagery.

    4. Re:yet another movie using a linux cluster.... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "maybe you guys should post articles on movies that don't do their CGI with a Linux cluster (along with their cost of production)."

      CGI is a very interesting field that quite a few members of Slashdot are interested in. It's a pity they only cover it when they can link Linux to it in some way. It's like some feeble attempt to inflate the importance of Linux in the workplace instead of reporting news.

    5. Re:yet another movie using a linux cluster.... by Shelled · · Score: 2

      Good idea, submit one. Better yet, since this a considered a OSS-centric forum, and the success of, say, XP, in the office space is of little to no relevance, why not find a site that covers what interests you?

  10. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by TheShadow · · Score: 1

    It's just that SGI barely sells Irix machines anymore.

    That's a shame... because Irix is a really nice OS. Too bad they didn't port it to Intel...

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  11. I can see it now... by Yiddishkite · · Score: 2, Funny

    "From Red Hat to Red Shirt"

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    1. Re:I can see it now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny shiz......

  12. Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It'll be out shortly with Ogg Vorbis audio for download from your favorite sources everywhere.

  13. Puns... by Vardamir · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    aren't really funny, except in the way that they make me really angry when I hear them.

  14. Ho hum, whatever.... by Profane+Motherfucker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's the deal: a switch from IRIX to Linux doesn't mean a fucking thing. They've switched from one variant of Unix to another. What was gained in the end? A net gain overall for Unix of not a fucking thing. Zero.

    If they switched from Windows- or Mac-based machines, then this would be legit. Other than that it's meaningless in the sense of Linux is Taking Over.

    That's all fine and great that it makes for a good story, but if the point is to claim that somehow people are realizing the benefits of Unix-derived operating systems, then it means squat.

    1. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux isn't a variant of Unix - its a Unix clone.

      Linux is only referred to as a version of Unix because Microsoft try to blur the lines when talking TCO..

    2. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by jimmy_dean · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If they switched from Windows- or Mac-based machines, then this would be legit. Other than that it's meaningless in the sense of Linux is Taking Over.

      Mac OS X is more Unix than Linux is...Linux is only a clone of Unix functionality and style. But jump forward in time to today and Linux is very much doing its one thing - blazing new trails in speed, stability, and of course acceptance of a free OS in the enterprise sector of business.

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    3. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by ksw2 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Open source, Einstein. Big fucking difference.

    4. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2
      If they switched from Windows- or Mac-based machines, then this would be legit. Other than that it's meaningless in the sense of Linux is Taking Over.

      Why? Windows, MacOS X and IRIX are all to some extent POSIX compliant, as is Linux.

      Linux has something none of those do of course. I won't bother going into what that something is, I think we've all got the general idea by now.

    5. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you used to swear a lot more back when you posted at -1. your comments were better then.

      -a troll

    6. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by spitzak · · Score: 5, Informative

      Linux has replaced a significant number of NT machines at Digital Domain, both on the desktop and in the renderfarm. The machines are not being bought to replace Irix machines, they are being bought instead of Windows machines. And they are being bought for Linux itself, not because Linux is cheaper (each machine has a W2K license because they are dual-boot in case we need a huge LightWave render, and we pay for RedHat, so they are more expensive!).

      Although we still have lots of Irix machines around we use them only because their cost is zero (since we already own them). Believe me Irix is not even considered in any consideration for purchases. We also have a lot of the SGI 320 NT workstations, which were a huge mistake, neither W2K or Linux work right on them. It was a direct competition between Linux and Windows and Linux won.

      We could not consider Mac until OS/X came out. I understand it is quite popular at other places, and if our software is ported (which should not be hard) I think it will be popular at Digital Domain. Unless Linux GUI is improved considerably in the next 2 years it may find itself pushed back into the renderfarm and servers and off the desktop by OS/X.

    7. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A penguin for a mascot?

      Cool

    8. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by ksw2 · · Score: 2

      Okay, let's try this again. Here's the deal: a switch from IRIX to Linux doesn't mean a fucking thing. They've switched from one variant of Unix to another. What was gained in the end? A net gain overall for Unix of not a fucking thing. Zero. A switch from a shackled proprietary OS to an open one is a major shift.

    9. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by astrashe · · Score: 2

      What sorts of specific things about the linux GUIs (KDE? Gnome? The widget sets?) compared to OS X are a problem?

    10. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by Profane+Motherfucker · · Score: 1

      You're calling me a sellout? You know how hard it is to swear ALL THE FUCKING TIME? It's not easy. Plus, it the profane thinking stays with you for hours, making every conversation, every word tinged with great profanity. It's not pleasant to be in a meeting and tossing around the term cocksucker.

    11. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 4, Funny

      What sorts of specific things about the linux GUIs (KDE? Gnome? The widget sets?) compared to OS X are a problem?

      KDE, Gnome, the widget sets. Yep, that pretty much covers it. ;-)

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    12. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by Thagg · · Score: 3, Informative

      > Linux has replaced a significant number of NT machines at Digital Domain, both on the desktop and in the renderfarm. The machines are not being bought to replace Irix machines, they are being bought instead of Windows machines. And they are being bought for Linux itself, not because Linux is cheaper (each machine has a W2K license because they are dual-boot in case we need a huge LightWave render, and we pay for RedHat, so they are more expensive!).

      IIRC, there used to be a very strong pro-NT camp at Digital Domain. They were tireless and strident in their belief that anything Unix could do, NT could do better, claiming that the success of Titanic, for example, was due to NT. Or some such rot.

      Fortunately, most of them decamped to form a company called Station X. There they continued to sing the praises of NT right up until the time they went out of business.

      Digital Domain has been in the vanguard of those using Linux in visual effects for quite some time; and has been an inspiration to me and others in the industry. As they write quite a bit of their own software, they were able to adopt Linux sooner than most other companies who relied on commercial systems -- although now almost all of the commercial visual effects packages run well on Linux.

      thad

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    13. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by Shelled · · Score: 2

      I'm more curious why a post proven factually wrong one level down, by someone who is in a position to know, is still sitting at +5 Insightful.

    14. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by rseuhs · · Score: 2
      Mac OS X is more Unix than Linux is

      Yeah, rrrright. Because Steve sais so, right?

      Some hairsplitters say that Linux is not Unix because the kernel is not the same codebase.

      Well MacOSX uses a Mach kernel, which is not even remotely a Unix kernel.

      I will start to consider MacOSX a Unix when they

      • support more than one desktop out of the box. Currently, it's the "run only one app at a time"-Windows feeling, not the "I got all my 16 desktops stuffed with apps"-Unix feeling.

      support 3-button mice. Really, not half-assed. Also they would actually have to ship those mice so that apps start to support them too. I want to middle-click a scrollbar and the handle shall jump where I clicked. I want to push windows into the background with the middle mouse button. And the KDE-like acceleration key for faster resizing and moving would also come handy.

      support pasting with the middle mouse button

      support X apps out of the box

      Yes, I tried it. Yes, the animations are nifty, the first half hour I used it, I was stunned, it felt great. After 2 hours I got used to it and after 4 hours the animations are just slowing you down. (BTW, any way to tell MacOSX not to animate the "minimize window" action? It gives me choices for 2 types of animations, but no "no animation" choice. That's one of the things that annoy me most) Also, the dock is rather counterproductive. The icons wander around depending on how many apps you are running, it's not funny.

      To get some actual work done, I prefer KDE/Linux over MacOSX any time. MacOSX may barely beat the Windows GUI (also a matter of preference, I guess), but it's still miles away in the usability (note that usability does not equate demoability and eye-candy) department to KDE or even GNOME.

    15. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by rseuhs · · Score: 2
      Here's the deal: a switch from IRIX to Linux doesn't mean a fucking thing. They've switched from one variant of Unix to another. What was gained in the end? A net gain overall for Unix of not a fucking thing. Zero.

      Well, there were several things gained:

      • Many studios were switching or were planning to switch to Windows NT. That was stopped.
      • Linux reunites Unix. Less compatibility problems, better 3rd party support, 'nuff said.
      • Linux is easily available. Nobody can easily try out Irix. It costs a lot. Linux, on the other hand is everywhere and makes it much easier for startups.

      I see the story on servers repeated:

      1) First, many switch from Unix to Windows.
      2) Then, many switch from Unix to Linux.
      3) Then, many switch from Windows to Linux.

      On servers, we are on stage 3), in the movie industrie we are on stage 2). Just wait another 2 years and we will see massive Windows to Linux switches.

    16. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe the CLI environment is more UNIX than Linux is, but the kernel is Mach, the GUI is Quartz, and the APIs are Carbon and Cocoa.

      That said, being able to type "crontab -e" and having it open in BBEdit is pretty amazing. ;-)

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    17. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by captaineo · · Score: 2
      each machine has a W2K license because they are dual-boot in case we need a huge LightWave render

      LWSN.EXE runs quite well under Wine, you know ;-)

    18. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by captaineo · · Score: 2

      I think the group you are talking about was more advocating Lightwave and other off-the-shelf software (vs the traditional heavily customized Alias/Softimage/RenderMan pipeline), rather than NT (vs UNIX). By the time they formed Station X, they were producing results just about as good as the traditional pipeline, but much more quickly and cheaply. (although I attribute this just as much to their artistic talents as choice of software). Station X failed for stupid legal reasons; I was told they were actually quite profitable.

      (disclaimer: I worked as an intern at SXS one summer - it was one of the most exciting jobs I've had!)

    19. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by isaac · · Score: 2
      IIRC, there used to be a very strong pro-NT camp at Digital Domain. They were tireless and strident in their belief that anything Unix could do, NT could do better, claiming that the success of Titanic, for example, was due to NT. Or some such rot.

      Ah, memories...

      My stint at D2 was brief, largely on account of a certain NT-fanatic manager. Often I would find little presents from this guy on my desk - once I got a photocopied article from NT World suggesting that the future of systems administration was Windows NT-only environments and XLNT. Yes, he was snowed by some astroturf review of a commercial re-implementation of the VMS DCL scripting langauge.

      This guy ended up driving away most of the systems staff, including myself, over a very short time period. The VP interviewed in the article made tossing this guy out one of his first acts - unfortunately, I was already gone by then; I'm sure d2's a better place to work now.

      -Isaac

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    20. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by spitzak · · Score: 2

      It is vital that the plugins work as well. If they do this may be a good idea. I don't know if anybody has considered or tested it. Straight calculation like a LightWave renderer would probably run at nearly 100% speed under Wine.

    21. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by captaineo · · Score: 2

      I am running a functional render farm of 4 Linux machines with LWSN 5.5 and 7.5. I don't use many plugins but the ones I have work OK.

      Sometimes it runs faster than Windows. (I think it could be that the Linux malloc and VM implementations are better, or the Win32 console subsystem is just really slow).

      The hard parts were finding a stable version of Wine and getting suitable X and filesystem environments set up. I'll let you figure those out :)

      I do wish Newtek would just release the Linux build of lwsn. My guess is they are terrified of the support issues.

      Incidentally, the Layout and Modeler GUIs are pretty close to usable in Wine, except for some annoying mouse/keyboard input bugs.

    22. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with some of your points, but MacOS X certainly supports three mouse buttons, plus a scrollwheel - just get such a mouse and plug it in. Native applications even make use of the right button (for menus) and many others make use of the middle one (e.g. Chimera does what I want - opens a link in a new tab - using it).

      And while the lack of a virtual desktop is annoying, it doesn't make me feel like I'm running one app at a time.

      Pasting using the mmb - you just have to accept that the MacOS X desktop is not X11, and doesn't follow X11 conventions. Anyway, I do wish there were a rootless X11 that was actually fast, the XFree86 port is painfully slow under Quartz in both rootless and fullscreen modes.

      I used to like KDE, I think it was version 1.2.1 or something that I used forever and it was rock-solid, but the new versions seem to have too many quirks. Now that I've learned to use the OS X desktop (I learned to use the keyboard shortcuts by not buying an external mouse for quite some time for my powerbook), it's actually very nice (and I'm a hard-core command-line Unix user of many years).

    23. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by MrR0p3r · · Score: 1

      We've got a couple SGI 320's here and I got win2k to work fine on them. Look on Sgi's website, I believe they have some valuable patches for the BIOS and whatnot (just search for 320).

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    24. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by spitzak · · Score: 2
      Sometimes it (LightWave under Wine) runs faster than Windows. (I think it could be that the Linux malloc and VM implementations are better, or the Win32 console subsystem is just really slow).

      I certainly have noticed this with our (non-Wine) applications too. The best explanation is that NFS works much better under Linux. However there are some cases (like where it is reading local files only) where it is still faster. This is despite the fact that VC++ did a better optimizing job than GCC.

    25. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I was there about the same time and can vouch that some very bad things happened, mostly due to the middle management who had bought into NT greatly and did try to sabotage Linux by firing anybody in systems competent. I believe most of these people were replaced eventually as it became obvious that Digital Domain was losing their top talent.

      The Station X people, though somewhat hostile to the Unix users, were not at fault and produced some very good stuff. Only complaint is that they did try to claim (or refuse to correct claims) that the hero images of the Titanic, which were actually a 1/20 scale miniature and Arete water (run on the Alpha Linux farm) and other elements rendered with Houdini and SoftImage, was in fact a LightWave render produced by them. The images of the ship they made were "set extensions" and are best seen in the final sinking scenes were we are looking straight down the ship with Leo and Kate in the foreground. The full-size set only went to the "bridge", any visible ship behind it was LightWave (the water was miniature or Arete depending on the angle).

    26. Re:Ho hum, whatever.... by captaineo · · Score: 2

      Another reason could be that syscall overhead is much lower in Linux (since you are calling glibc which calls the kernel directly, whereas on Win32 you are calling user32.dll which calls ntdll.dll which calls the kernel; and the kernel entry/exit code on Linux is much more optimized). Also process and thread context switches are several times faster than on Windows. And finally, Linux until recently gave much longer timeslices to CPU-bound processes (which can be a bad thing on the desktop :).

  15. Quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone remeber the old bumper sticker campaign from back in the original trek days? How about changing it to :

    I grok /proc

  16. The big question by Fembot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can it automaitcaly re-modulate the phase buffer to route power to the primary shields without someone having to crawl through dark monster infeseted tunnels?

    1. Re:The big question by cioxx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes. With a kernel patch codenamed "Omega 9".

    2. Re:The big question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called a Jeffries Tube ...

    3. Re:The big question by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought that was the purpose of the Omega 13 device... Oh wait, that was Galaxy Quest...

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    4. Re:The big question by roseblood · · Score: 1

      "Can it automaitcaly re-modulate the phase buffer to route power to the primary shields without someone having to crawl through dark monster infeseted tunnels?"

      Perhaps, or perhaps not. More importantly, you get to avoid the BSOD in a system where the D is BSOD can't be fixed with a back-up disk and a reboot.

      Warning: Illegal Function Call in Module "Life Support" - Now shutting down.

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    5. Re:The big question by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 5, Funny

      ``Can it automaitcaly re-modulate the phase buffer to route power to the primary shields''
      Nope. The manufacturer refused to release specs for the hardware, so no driver has been written yet. Reverse engineering is in progress, though.

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    6. Re:The big question by RPoet · · Score: 4, Funny

      Leela: I didn't wanna leave them either, Fry, but what were we supposed to do?

      Fry: Well, usually on the show, somebody would come up with a complicated plan, then explain it with a simple analogy.

      Leela: Hmmm... if we can re-route engine power through the primary weapons and reconfigure them to Melllvar's frequency, that should overload his electro-quantum structure.

      Bender: Like putting too much air in a balloon!

      Fry: Of course! It's all so simple!

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    7. Re:The big question by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 2, Funny

      ``Can it automaitcaly re-modulate the phase buffer to route power to the primary shields''
      Nope. The manufacturer refused to release specs for the hardware, so no driver has been written yet. Reverse engineering is in progress, though.


      Not so fast!
      The data stream between phase buffers and any output device (including the primary deflector antenna) must be encrypted as required by the QMCA (Quantum Millennium Copyright Act). Since the act also makes it illegal to decrypt that content, or exposing the encryption algorithms publicly is banned by the same act, any hope of having open-source drivers is pretty well stuffed! Besides, the phase bufferes would never allow output to an untrusted device, like the deflector dish; no part of the shield system has the proper Palladium4 technology to ensure content security.

      This is what you get, for allowing unlimited "soft money" donations to Federation Council members! And yes, "Steamboat Willie" is still under copyright, until at least the year 4300.

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    8. Re:The big question by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Funny
      "Can it automaitcaly re-modulate the phase buffer to route power to the primary shields without someone having to crawl through dark monster infeseted tunnels?"



      No but emacs can.

    9. Re:The big question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      dark monster infeseted tunnels???????


      They're called jerry tubes

    10. Re:The big question by Sabalon · · Score: 2

      C'mon...this is Next Generation - they just run a level 3 diagnostic on it.

  17. Linux.Growing up & soon out of the house. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I said on OSNews this is good. Doesn't really help the "poor" person, since what's being ported is high-end and inhouse apps. But you'll note that the beaten path is similiar to the one NT took all those years ago. So this does indeed boad well for Linux.

  18. Ready for the Enterprise by Kong+the+Medium · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought,Linux was ready for the enterpise since Kernel 1.7.0.1-D.

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    1. Re:Ready for the Enterprise by saskboy · · Score: 1

      And here I am still flying along in OS/2 WARP. Can't wait for version 10...

      Little help?

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    2. Re:Ready for the Enterprise by Distinguished+Hero · · Score: 1

      I thought,Linux was ready for the enterpise since Kernel 1.7.0.1-D. Actually, that should be "Kernel 1.7.0.1-E."

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    3. Re:Ready for the Enterprise by Jenova · · Score: 2

      Kernel 1.7.0.1-A Self Destructed
      Kernel 1.7.0.1-B Almost got wiped on the 1st day of ops

      Kernel 1.7.0.1-C Well.. this is the sad one.
      Kernel 1.7.0.1-D Dumped itself on viridan-4
      Kernel 1.7.0.1-E I hope this one's stable!

    4. Re:Ready for the Enterprise by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      No,not quite.

      Kernel 1.7.0.1 Self Destructed
      Kernel 1.7.0.1-A Obsoleted by Kernel 1.7.0.1-B
      etc...

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  19. No no wrong question by gatesh8r · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    Choose one of the following:


    RPM or DEB? vi or emacs? Which distro is it? Do we have to smack them for having a newbie distro? Do they have the latest patches?

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  20. Borg by frozencesium · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At least MS didn't assimilate them...

    seriously though...the switching to linux by bigger and more mainstream companies has always been a topic arround here. the comments will come about how linux "is finaly making it". i guess people ARE starting to realize that there are some benifits not paying the SGI premium prices to do awesome 3d rendering, compositing, rotoscoping, etc. don't get my wrong, i love sgi hardware...but i hate the price.

    -frozen

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  21. pfff by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Rendering pretty pictures is oh-so-boring. I'd like to sit in front of a mic at a console, utter the command "Make it sew!" then watch a beowulf cluster of Singers make the whole crew wardrobe in 4 minutes, including the time needed for Troi's custom boob expansion panels.

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  22. REALLY?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Linux used to wipe fat man's ass"

    Details! I want details! Are there pictures? An FAQ?

  23. L-Cars Skin by Malicious · · Score: 1

    That's quite the LCARS Skin they use onboard... I wonder if it's Gnome or KDE?

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    1. Re:L-Cars Skin by saskboy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Data:
      Captain, I'm unable to complete your command. I mistakenly typed in www.abcnew.com when researching current events, and now my console is flooded by what 21st Century humans called "Pop-ups". They are replicating faster than I can close them. I recommmend a complete LCARS shutdown.

      Captain:
      DAMNIT! I told them we should have installed Adaware at spacedock!

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    2. Re:L-Cars Skin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tend to think that data would be smart enough to use Mozilla with browser based pop-up blocking.

      But that's just me...

  24. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

    It's not an amazing breakthrough jump. It's just that SGI barely sells Irix machines anymore.

    I think you miss the point. The reason SGI is probably selling less Irix machines is that Linux is available, cheaper, and does what buyers want.

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  25. Ready For The Enterprise... by fredrikj · · Score: 1

    ...but when will it be ready for us Klingons?

    1. Re:Ready For The Enterprise... by JavaJoint · · Score: 1


      Well, Klingons would not use Windows.

      There is no honor in the Blue Screen Of Death.

      The OS of a warrior must not crash! Anything less is for the Patok!

  26. ./ away by frozencesium · · Score: 1

    #1: i recomend we commence the ./'ing

    pickard: make it so...

    btw...anyone know if it would be possible to ./ data? i think it would funny to see him lie twitching on the floor from an input overload ;-)

    -frozen

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    1. Re:./ away by Textbook+Error · · Score: 4, Funny

      btw...anyone know if it would be possible to ./ data?

      Uh, no. You see, web servers are from real life. Data is a character on a TV show.

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      Nae bother
    2. Re:./ away by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

      DoH! Ya have to spoil it for everyone.

      *sulk*

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    3. Re:./ away by xenode · · Score: 1

      Come on. How can you get /. wrong three times in a row? There's only two ways to write it: Right, and wrong.

      (Was a joke, laugh)

    4. Re:./ away by frozencesium · · Score: 1

      no worries...it's what i get for not hitting preview and reviewing before i post :-)

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    5. Re:./ away by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

      btw...anyone know if it would be possible to ./ data?

      Uh, no. You see, web servers are from real life. Data is a character on a TV show.


      I suppose you think you have just impressed everyone with your ability to distinguish fantasy from reality. However, you have only shown your lack of understanding of the English language. The question posed was in subjunctive mood ("if it would be possible"), thus clearly the questioner understood that Data is not real, and was asking a hypothetical question. Had he asked "if it is possible" or even "if it will be possible", your reply would have been justified.

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  27. Does this mean there is less chance by dubbayu_d_40 · · Score: 4, Funny

    of it crashing at the box office?

  28. Thats nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard that someones making a movie using the HURD!

  29. Re:I've said it before... by jimmy_dean · · Score: 1

    I happen to like this type of news very much so. An in terms of enterprise acceptance, it's important to hear other stories of adoption and success with the Linux OS.

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  30. Its hurting so just in case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Robin speaks with the studio Digital Domain on using Linux to render special effects in Star Trek Nemesis and other films.

    Linux got its first big Hollywood break in 1997 when Venice, California studio Digital Domain (D2) used Linux to render the special effects for the hit movie Titanic. We spoke with D2 while they were in production using Linux with Star Trek Nemesis, which has a scheduled release date of December 13, 2002. D2 uses Linux for both renderfarm servers and artist desktops.

    D2 has used Linux for 21 motion pictures, including best visual effects Academy Award winners Titanic and What Dreams May Come. D2 has won two Scientific and Technical Achievement Academy Awards: one for Track motion tracking software and the other for the compositing software NUKE.

    Like most studios, D2 was primarily using SGI hardware running SGI's IRIX variant of UNIX, both on renderfarm servers and artist workstations. Experiments at D2 with Dante's Peak in 1996 proved that a move to Linux was feasible. ``The Linux renderfarm came first'', notes D2 Digital Production and Technology Creative Director Judith Crow. ``With Titanic we were working with a company called Areté using Renderworld, their ocean-simulation software. It ran three times faster on our Linux Alphas than on our IRIX SGI machines.'' While the renderfarm paved the way, applications such as NUKE and Houdini pushed Linux to the desktop.

    Figure 1. Preparing to insert a star field into the window of a spacecraft using NUKE. The tree graph to the right is a nodal view of the composite script.

    A compositor is what software artists use for overlaying moving images, for example, the starship Enterprise flying past a background matte of a space station. ``Digital Domain has been running NUKE on Linux since 1997 when it was used extensively on Titanic'', says Digital Effects Supervisor Jonathan Egstad. Egstad, along with D2's Bill Spitzak, Paul Van Camp and Price Pethel received an Academy Award for the NUKE compositor.

    ``NUKE is essentially a 2-D renderer'', says Egstad. ``It is five or six times faster on Linux than IRIX, but it wasn't until the beginning of 2001 that the Linux GUI was able to run fast. Back in 1993, NUKE was the original scanline-based design. It only took 20MB of RAM to render a typical composite instead hundreds of megabytes.'' Later commercial compositor applications, such as Shake, the popular node-based compositor sold by Apple, have a similar design.

    ``There are many instances where 2-D can assist in the workload'', points out Egstad:

    We can build a complete 3-D scene in NUKE then refer to that in a 3-D package like Maya and vice versa. A 3-D scene can be created and rendered in Nuke3, complete with lighting, texturing and shader support--diffuse, Blinn and Phong are built-in. There's a complete 3-D subsystem in NUKE. That's a trend in all 2-D packages. 2-D packages are more and more turning into 3-D packages.

    Houdini, a commercial 3-D package of which D2 is a big user, offers its own integrated compositor called Halo in its latest version. As with NUKE, it is hierarchy-based in conjunction with 2-D hierarchy. D2 also uses the commercial 3-D packages LightWave and Maya.

    FLTK, the Window Toolkit of NUKE

    NUKE version 3 has been in use at D2 since 2001, running on Linux, IRIX and Windows. D2's first Linux renderfarm was on Digital Alphas and still gets some use. The NUKE design retained the keystrokes used in IRIX, so users, especially freelancers working at D2, wouldn't face a learning curve when moving between operating systems. ``The NUKE interface is deliberately Spartan, designed more toward feature work'', notes Egstad. ``It probably has the strongest color-correction tools of any major package.''

    D2's Linux Movies

    D2 had requests for years to make NUKE into a commercial product for use by other studios, and the pressure increased after Apple purchased industry-leader Shake. Studios became concerned when Apple dallied with announcing future Linux support.

    ``We've founded the D2 Software Company to sell and market NUKE and other applications that currently exist or don't exist within the studio'', says Digital Production and Technology VP Michael Taylor. He continues:

    We have NUKE evaluation sites out in the field. We're providing the latest NUKE 3 version that we use internally. About two years ago when making the decision to do a complete NUKE rewrite incorporating a 3-D into 2-D model, we considered switching to Shake, but decided we had a better program.

    Taylor says Linux, Windows and IRIX versions will be available in early 2003. There are no plans yet for Mac OS X. Pricing starts under $10K US, which is comparable to Shake. For students, there will be a free-of-charge or inexpensive version, comparable to the apprentice versions of Maya and Houdini.

    Digital compositor Brian Begun describes working on a scene in NUKE for Star Trek Nemesis:

    I'm working on a temp, that's a shot that isn't finished--isn't ready for film. We have a production intranet for each show we work on with a web page for each shot. A lot of artists need to share information. Our job system uses Netscape with a lot of HTML forms and a server written in Perl. Rather than files in directories, we have links in directories. We can keep files in any directory on any drive anywhere without seeing what drive it is on. This allows our Systems department to juggle our disk space when necessary and to use it as efficiently as possible, without affecting production.

    Begun walks us through setting up a typical effect in NUKE--moving the Enterprise across a star field:

    Figure 2. A NUKE window displays an OpenGL 3-D wireframe of the virtual viewing camera.

    Here's Trek's environment. We have a predefined list of variables for each show. Let's say I choose Star Trek SS145A:

    $ job trek [sets show variables]
    $ shot ss145a [sets job variables]

    The cs command switches to my work directory, in this case work.begun:

    $ cs

    From here, I can go to an image directory that contains elements, parts of composite--or the work directory that contains NUKE scripts and if we do tracking, the in-house Track scripts. The work directory will contain files for NUKE, Flame, Track and Elastic Reality (old but cheap software used for roto and Avid morphing, such as bad frame or wire removal by morphing).

    If I need to create my work directory, I use the jsmk command. Other directories, such as image directories also are created this way. They contain each green screen, full-resolution and scaled-down proxy image, previz and temp comp (which gives the client a rough idea of the shot, but is not necessarily pretty).

    The lss command displays files in a more readable format than ls. For example, instead of looking at files like this:

    test.0001.rgb
    test.0002.rgb
    test.0003.rgb

    Typing lss displays files like this:

    test.%04d.rgb 1-3

    Before launching NUKE, I change to the NUKE subdirectory in my work directory:

    $ cs
    $ cd nuke
    $ nuke3

    When I launch NUKE, it brings up a GUI window, and I choose Image®Read®File and then ss145a.wh to load the foreground (green screen) images. When working on a project, I use both high-resolution images and quarter-resolution proxy images.

    The images are Cineon 10-bit log. NUKE itself will convert that to 16-bit float. NUKE is capable of displaying up to ten images in one viewer. By simply entering 1 to 0 on the keyboard, I can have up to ten views.

    Figure 3. Adjusting a green screen Ultimate composite in NUKE while inserting stars into spacecraft cockpit window.

    Here's a green screen of a cockpit [see Figure 3]. I bring in the background image of stars. When pulling a green screen, you'll typically pull three types of mattes. An edge matte is used to retain all the fine detail present in the photography. A fill or ``innie'' is used to fill any holes that may occur due to green spill or green material in front of the foreground subject. And, a cleanup or ``outtie'' matte is used to remove anything that is supposed to be replaced by the background--such as stage lights. To pull these mattes, I'll select a ``backing color'' in Ultimatte's color picker that best represents the color I want to remove, and that will give me the best matte. After that, I'll make any necessary tweaks, including pulling additional mattes where necessary, or additional cleanup.

    Technical Director Jason Iversen is responsible for energy beam effects and debris for Star Trek:

    For ships exploding we use as many practical effects as possible. Practicals are faster, even though it takes time to build the model. That may take two guys two months, but it is three people for four to five months to create a 3-D shot. We shoot the explosion at 300 fps slo-mo. It's a big task, and still might not get realism. Some explosions are enhanced with digital debris using Houdini. Some Enterprise shots are still real, but not the hull-scraping beauty shots.

    As we're talking, one of his SGI machines is being taken away for use on the renderfarm. At D2, workstations are being upgraded to dual-Pentium PCs.

    Star Trek work at D2 was previously all done in Houdini on Linux, but most of the Maya artists are on Windows NT because of Maya plugins not being available on Linux. ``One of the largest sequences we've got is the avalanche sequence, all in Linux Houdini plus our own internal tool called VoxelB for doing volumetrics'', notes Iversen. He continues:

    The avalanche is a huge powdery trail that is generated in a 3-D sense--not a 2-D cheat. Our voxel compositor VoxelB is a plugin. All of our tools can take in data from Maya or Houdini. We often combine those with our fluid dynamics software to create flowing water.

    ``Terragen is our terrain-generating program that was used in Time Machine for planet shots'', says Iversen. He adds:

    We use it for previz and to create the initial plate for digital painters. Digital actors are all in Maya, primarily on NT. Our pipeline is based on previz rolling into production. All artists do precomposites of our work, then get assigned a compositor to take it to film out.

    Although Linux supports popular 3-D packages such as Houdini and Maya, Crow says she feels frustrated by a dearth of Linux paint packages. ``There's a depth to Photoshop that Film GIMP doesn't have. Film GIMP isn't mature enough.'' Crow says a promising development is Amazon16, a 16-bit paint package that maker Interactive Effects is porting to Linux. Amazon has a long history on IRIX. ``It was layer-based before Photoshop, supports user-defined macros, provides 3-D texture paint capabilities, and most importantly, supports HDR formats like Cineon that are critical for film work'', says Crow. ``Another promising development is the 32-bit Linux paint package Photogenics by Idruna, currently in beta.''

    According to Crow, porting D2's IRIX-based applications to Linux went rapidly, especially with their compositing software NUKE. The Linux conversion at D2 happened in stages, first the renderfarm that performs batch processing of movie effects, then the desktops where artists work. ``When Linux was ready for the desktop we were eager to adopt it'', says Crow. ``As soon as we got an OS like Linux supporting the features we relied on we were excited to move to it.''

    Resources

    Robin Rowe (Robin.Rowe@MovieEditor.com) is a partner in motion picture technology company MovieEditor.com and founder of LinuxMovies.org and OpenSourceProgrammers.org.

  31. One of the first big movies to use Linux was... by BoomerSooner · · Score: 4, Informative

    Titanic. It was on the cover of Linux Journal back in 98/99 or whenever it came out. At the time I was astounded at what they did. Now it's getting redundant (as are these articles).

    Don't go to their website though. It's slower than crap.

    1. Re:One of the first big movies to use Linux was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in 1997 linux was obscure to all but the geekiest geeks, I only heard of it in march 2000 and it was only practical for the desktop when kde 3 came out. But Linux is now gaining a lot of momentum. Linux will mature by 2003 (when linux 3.0 comes out) and you will see it everywhere!

    2. Re:One of the first big movies to use Linux was... by stratjakt · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      >> Linux will mature by 2003

      HAHAHAHA..

      Every time theres an impending release everyone thinks 'Linux will be mature by'..

      It's a fine OS for certain tasks (web serving, render farms), but for certain others (desktop use) it will always be playing catch-up to commercial offerings (Windows, OSX, etc)

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    3. Re:One of the first big movies to use Linux was... by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      It's a fine OS for certain tasks (web serving, render farms), but for certain others (desktop use) it will always be playing catch-up to commercial offerings (Windows, OSX, etc)

      What's wrong with that? What was UNIX designed for? What is Linux designed as? Exactly. Linux on the desktop is a kind of weird abberation, driven mostly by people like me. (Ooo! Server OS on my laptop...so cool!) The other Linux on desktop stuff is driven by money, or lack there of. A FOSS OS if it is designed for the desktop, will be able to compete with commercial desktop offerings the same way Linux, a FOSS OS designed for servers is able to compete with the likes of Sun and SGI. Everyone seems to think Linux on the desktop is the silver bullet. It isn't. A FOSS designed for the desktop, maybe. For example: OpenBeOS

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    4. Re:One of the first big movies to use Linux was... by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's so "astounding" about it? Linux is just an operating system. It runs programs. It provides disk I/O. It does not do rendering. It's the applications that do anything "astounding".

      In other words, all this really proves is that the operating system is pretty much irrelevent for this sort of work, not that Linux is particularly suited to it (other than being inexpensive).

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    5. Re:One of the first big movies to use Linux was... by be-fan · · Score: 2

      A network render stresses an OS quite a bit. It impacts the VM subsystem, network subsystem, disk I/O subsystem, etc. It also takes a lot of tweeking of the OS to set something like this up. The fact that Linux was used shows that's it's more suitable in these catagories than other OSs.

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    6. Re:One of the first big movies to use Linux was... by be-fan · · Score: 2

      It's a fine OS for certain tasks (web serving, render farms), but for certain others (desktop use) it will always be playing catch-up to commercial offerings (Windows, OSX, etc)
      >>>>>>>>
      That's rich. I use Linux exclusively as my desktop OS. Booting into Windows is painful these days. Using the brand new G4 flat-panel iMacs with OS-X in our computer centers is even more painful (nothing so slow since I ran Win95 on my 486!) Linux might not be easy, or appropriate for newbies, but it makes a damn good desktop/workstation OS.

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    7. Re:One of the first big movies to use Linux was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention:

      "It ran three times faster on our Linux Alphas than on our IRIX SGI machines."

      Hmm..

    8. Re:One of the first big movies to use Linux was... by be-fan · · Score: 2

      That's probably a function of hardware more than anything else. Alpha's have always been floating point screamers in a way MIPS's never have.

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    9. Re:One of the first big movies to use Linux was... by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      I would agree.

      Obviously, they only use Linux because they can't afford an IBM zSeries box.

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  32. This isn't where SGI/IRIX shines by mikael · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Moving a renderfarm to a Linux cluster isn't surprising. Since rendering is an "Embarrassingly parallel" computation and AMD/Intel has more FLOPS/$ compared to the MIPS processors, this is expected. When you need to pass a lot of data between processors, you'll need one of those Origin 3000 servers with 1000 processors. Linux can't do this yet.

    What is interesting though, is that they moved the workstation applications from SGI to Linux. I didn't know that the SGI hardware was lagging behind that much.

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    1. Re:This isn't where SGI/IRIX shines by nomadlogic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i work for a video effects company in new york. IMHO it's not that the SGI's are that much behind in processing speed it's the cost of one of there systems. a complete Octane2 can run you around $50K to even $100K+ for our highend systems. when you are doing 3D animation with Maya or XSI or something most people have to make the decision between getting a balls out intel system versus a SGI Octane2. now the Octane2 is most likely superior than the intel machine in a design sense(those things are built like a tank!), but you have to ask do you need all of the features that the Octane2 offers to do 3D animation? in our case, most rendeing is done on the farm anyway so no not really.

      we use the intel machines, and soon OSX machines, for the artists to work and model on. we use the Octane2 to do the heavy real-time compositing stuff using flame, inferno etc.

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  33. Hmmm by fizban · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess this just give more validity to the "Microsoft as Borg" line of thinking...

    and giving plenty more tag-lines to Linux PR - "Who's handling your Enterprise software these days? Linux, where no company has gone before."

    Urghh.... Must... Stop... Stupid... Puns... Kill... Timothy... for... starting... it...

    --

    +1 Insightful, -1 Troll. What can I say, I'm an Insightful Troll.

    1. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you perfer the idiots dancing around in butterfly suits?

  34. Re:I've said it before... by tortap-0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "so please cut the bullshit and post real news stories"

    You are new to slashdot, right?

  35. Anything open-source/free? by Sim9 · · Score: 1

    I've been wondering about this for some time: I'd like to be able to switch from windows video editing to linux, and was wondering if there are any open-source equivalents to Adobe Premiere available? Also, I've read a few articles about the CGI in linux, and was wondering if these were also open-sourced? Thanks for any help you can give! :)

    1. Re:Anything open-source/free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3

    2. Re:Anything open-source/free? by haloscan · · Score: 1

      There is Broadcast2000 and Cinelerra that I know of. However, they're relatively young projects and don't match up fully to Adobe Premiere just yet.

  36. Benchmarking software on different hardware :( by Flamesplash · · Score: 2

    Given their stock performance it doesn't look like SGI does much of anything anymore.

    I should have never bought at $15 3 years ago, My commission would be more than the sale price.

    "It ran three times faster on our Linux Alphas than on our IRIX SGI machines."

    Ya think? They are different hardware. What I'd like to know is if there was actually a SGI machine that could meet the Alpha's performance. Harware money for a CG outfit like this shouldn't really be a problem, especially if they are just up front costs.

    --
    "Not knowing when the dawn will come, I open every door." - Emily Dickinson
  37. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by mondoterrifico · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Did you read the article? Guess not.

    "It ran three times faster on our Linux Alphas than on our IRIX SGI machines"

    The switch to linux was based on performance issues.

    Slashbots, should read the article before posting.

  38. Worst pun EVER! by DarkVein · · Score: 5, Funny

    Allow me to present this as timothy should have.

    Mike McCune writes "The "Linux Journal" has a nice article about the switch from Irix to Linux at Digital Domain and the use of Linux in 'Star Trek, Nemesis.' I guess this means that Linux is finally ready for ------[Pun censored, humanity saved]."
    --

    I'm as mimsy as the next borogove but your mome raths are completely outgrabe.

  39. Re:I've said it before... by TrollBridge · · Score: 1
    The problem I have with it is that it's essentially the same story, different place.

    We know Linux has these capabilities to meet the needs of the entertainment industry (as illustrated in countless "Linux used to make X-movie" stories). Are we so insecure of Linux's potential that we need to keep patting ourselves on the back for business as usual?

    I know I'm burning kharma here, but I'm tired of reading the same story over and over again.

    --
    There's a Mercedes gap too. I want one and can't afford one, but it's not government's job to do anything about it.
  40. Flamewar in the cinema by KAMiKAZOW · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This reminds me of a posting I once read.

    "Haha, look... the lamer goes into the Intel movie."
    "You have no clue. Intel movies have a lot higher image quality than AMD movies."
    "Pah, but you the story line of Linux movies is crap, while Windows movies rock!"
    "Nah, Windows movies are the most sucking movies around. You can only see a blue screen when it get's exciting. Mac movies rule!"
    ...

    1. Re:Flamewar in the cinema by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want my 15 seconds back.

  41. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason SGI is probably selling less Irix machines is that Linux is available, cheaper, and does what buyers want.

    No. Five years ago, SGI was selling fewer IRIX machines because Windows NT was available, cheaper, and did what buyers wanted. Two years ago, it was because Windows 2000 was available, cheaper, and did what buyers wanted. Last year it was Linux. This year it's Mac OS X. Who knows what it will be next year?

    The fact that Linux is displacing IRIX in a lot of cases says much more about SGI than it does about Linux.

    --

    I write in my journal
  42. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by dcavens · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm not sure if that's true. Looking over SGI's website, they don't seem to sell ANY linux based workstations any more. Only the Fuel and the Octane2 (both IRIX/MIPS machines.)

    They do have a yet-to-be-released NUMA Linux system based on Itanium, but it probably shouldn't be thought of as a workstation.

    I'm guessing you're probably right though that "SGI barely sells Irix machines". Not sure how many they're selling, but they're still cettainly losing money.

  43. Anyone notice the date of the pLJ posting? by thewils · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 by Robin Rowe"

    Er, would that be Stardate 2003.1

    --
    Once I was a four stone apology. Now I am two separate gorillas.
  44. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you kidding? Irix has more holes than swiss cheese.

  45. Re:I've said it before... by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 3, Informative

    An in terms of enterprise acceptance... ...it's irrelevant. Movie special effects are not what people mean when they say "the enterprise." If you want to talk about Linux in the enterprise, you're going to have to talk about productivity and messaging and stuff like that. Stuff the average white-collar business drones need.

    --

    I write in my journal
  46. Linux Used To Make Star Trek, Nemesis? by jobber-d · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well then who makes it now?

  47. Thats wierd by Hott+of+the+World · · Score: 2

    I always thought it they used a video camera for movies.... Im going to use linux to create my next movie! DAMN the MPAA!

    --
    | - | - |
    1. Re:Thats wierd by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      >> I always thought it they used a video camera for movies

      Nope, they film them.

      --
      I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
  48. Re:I've said it before... by TrollBridge · · Score: 1

    Actually, in regards to this particular story, I'd be afraid that "enterprise acceptance" would be ministerpreted by many here as an endorsement of Linux by the United Federation of Planets.

    --
    There's a Mercedes gap too. I want one and can't afford one, but it's not government's job to do anything about it.
  49. used to make by stoutstreet · · Score: 0, Redundant

    so, what makes it now?

  50. Well someone had to say it. by ath0mic · · Score: 3, Informative


    I guess this means that Linux is finally ready for 'The Enterprise.'

    .. so that only took 300 years or so.

    1. Re:Well someone had to say it. by saskboy · · Score: 1

      Nice try, but there was a ship called the Enterprise long ago. Have you seen Star Trek IV?

      And the new Enterprise series only takes place 150 years from now, so they are probably on Linux kernel 3 by then.

      --
      Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
    2. Re:Well someone had to say it. by ath0mic · · Score: 1

      Informative? This was supposet to be a joke... ah well.

  51. Check the date on the article... by Spoing · · Score: 2

    Wow! What astounds me isn't that Ernest Glitch invented time travel, but that he works as a copy editor at Linux Journal.

    --
    A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
  52. introduction... by verbatim · · Score: 1

    X86... The final frontier.
    These are the source codes to the operating system Linux.
    It's continuing mission,
    to explore strange kernel bugs,
    to seek out new applications and new platforms,
    to boldy code what no one has coded before!

    Linux OS: The Next Generation...

    (urge to kill... rising...)

    --
    Price, Quality, Time. Pick none. What, you thought you had a choice?
    1. Re:introduction... by saskboy · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's been a long code,
      Getting from IRIX to here,
      It's been a long time,
      But Linux time is finally near.
      I see Torvalds dream come alive at last,
      Kissing Irix'es goodbye,
      And they're not gonna hold me down no more,
      No they're not gonna change my mind...
      yadda yadda you get the idea...

      --
      Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
  53. Stop this instant! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Make it sew!"
    Nooooooo!! No more crappy puns, pleeeeeeaaaaaaasseeeee!!!!
  54. What would be more impressive... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

    if the entire Enterprise-E ran on Linux. Now THAT would be newsworthy!

    --
    Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
  55. Open Source, from the future... *wiggles fingers* by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

    I always figured given the general philosophy of the federation that all their computers would run open source. Now how do i get the sexy computer voice on mine?

    --
    "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
  56. That makes sense by SensitiveMale · · Score: 5, Funny

    It does seem as if the plot and story were created on a 286.

    1. Re:That makes sense by Kenshin · · Score: 2

      Yes, seeing as some of the greatest movies of all time were written on a typewriter, I don't imagine word processing on a 286 would be so bad...

      --

      Does it make you happy you're so strange?

    2. Re:That makes sense by SensitiveMale · · Score: 2

      Yes, seeing as some of the greatest movies of all time were written on a typewriter, I don't imagine word processing on a 286 would be so bad...

      You are missing the joke.

      At this time, the 286 is a piss-poor processor. And one of the great things about linux is that it can run under sub-par equipment.

      At this time, the story for Nemesis is a piss-poor story.

      So my joke was since they are using sub-par equipment they wrote a sub-par story.

      See the connection?

      Unless you think I was referring to ALL works done on a 286 or less are bad. And why in the world would you think that?

    3. Re:That makes sense by Kenshin · · Score: 2
      At this time, the story for Nemesis is a piss-poor story.

      Actually, the real joke is that Nemesis isn't even in theatres yet, and you're already saying it's piss-poor.

      Save your judgement until after it has received wide release.

      --

      Does it make you happy you're so strange?

    4. Re:That makes sense by SensitiveMale · · Score: 2

      Save your judgement until after it has received wide release.

      Why should I have to wait for a wide release?

      Never heard of a screening?

    5. Re:That makes sense by Kenshin · · Score: 2

      Since 99.9% of the population doesn't have access to preview screenings, how in the world is anyone supposed to know you've been to one?

      --

      Does it make you happy you're so strange?

    6. Re:That makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because I have this internet-thingy and I downloaded it and you can just ask my sister if I saw it.

      How do you like me NOW?

    7. Re:That makes sense by Kenshin · · Score: 2

      Thief. And I'd only care to ask your sister if she was hot :p

      --

      Does it make you happy you're so strange?

  57. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

    I dunno - you consider how few actual mips based SGI machines can run linux (like the indy and indigo only pretty much - which these days are pretty old) you have to figure they are using Linux on Intel most likely.

  58. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by Loki_1929 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Who knows what it will be next year?"

    I've got money on OS/2.

    --
    -- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
  59. Linux? Bah! Scotty uses a Mac classic! by saskboy · · Score: 2

    Ever seen Star Trek IV where Scotty sits down and talks into the mouse?
    "Computer.... .... Hello Computer?"

    Other guy: "*ahem* you have to use the keyboard."

    "KEYBOARD?! How quaint."

    --
    Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
  60. Klingons use BSD by Stephen+VanDahm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Which OS would the Klingons use? Klingons have long hair and beards and live in dark dirty rooms, so we know that they're UNIX users. But are they Linux users? They certainly have bad tempers, which means they'd feel right at home on the Linux kernel developers list. But take a look at Klingon ships. They're pretty simple and a little rough around the edges, but at the same time really tough and secure. With these design priorities, it's pretty safe to say that they're running OpenBSD.

    Not convinced? Consider this additional evidence. On TNG, the Klingons are worried that their traditional values are dying. On Slashdot, the crapflooding trolls declare daily that BSD is dying. 'Nuff said. :-)

  61. Not in 2.4.20 by KPU · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quoting the 2.4.20 changelog, "replace end user confusing 'on fire' joke with real info"

  62. Re:Open Source, from the future... *wiggles finger by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

    The voices aren't sexy yet but...http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/

    --
    Why not fork?
  63. Linux Made Solaris too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, it's been decided by slashdot that Solaris Sucks, so it must have been made by Windows.

  64. Of Course The Enterprise used Linux! by Newer+Guy · · Score: 2

    The Enterprise is from the future..and Linux is the OS of the future!

  65. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    The third option is that you have no information confirming either of these hypotheses but know that a 'only cheapskates and welfare recipients use Linux' post is Instant Karma. The Star Trek Franchise typically retains companies which can no longer afford computers to generate their special effects? Maybe you should re-read this part:

    D2 has used Linux for 21 motion pictures, including best visual effects Academy Award winners Titanic and What Dreams May Come. D2 has won two Scientific and Technical Achievement Academy Awards: one for Track motion tracking software and the other for the compositing software NUKE.

  66. Linux in Star Trek, eh? by Peterus7 · · Score: 1

    I still think the Borg use XP.

    1. Re:Linux in Star Trek, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this mean you agree to XP being technologically superior?

    2. Re:Linux in Star Trek, eh? by Peterus7 · · Score: 1

      More like everybody uses it, and it drains out individuality, imoho. The thing with Linux is simply using it makes you a bit of a rebel (or at least in my experience with it), and with Apple... Well, Apple is Apple. I am currently using Mac OS, 98, and XP, and I think XP is just kinda... blandish. Nice, and in some ways it is better than some of the other systems, but stuff by microsoft has such a bland feeling. Who knows if that's some sort of OS karma, who knows. Heh... My OS has bad karma... I need to go call my local witch doctor to purge all the evil spirits from my old PC, heh...

    3. Re:Linux in Star Trek, eh? by Peterus7 · · Score: 1
      Spoiler ahead...




      Oh my god, they killed Data, those bastards!

      But then again, there's no way they can. In a Q episode (I think it's all good things, but I don't remember) Picard visits the future with the help of Q and they visit data, who is living in a nice little house with his hair dyed in white stripes and has a nanny.

      Can you say "Star trek XI, the search for Data"?

  67. false false false! stop spreading this myth! by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Mac OS X is not "more Unix than Linux", not by any stretch of the imagination. OS X is based on BSD, which no longer incorporates any code derived from original Unices. Therefore, they are both "clones". Mac OS X is a registered Unix, ie. they paid to be able to call it Unix. Linux probably meets the single unix specification more closely than OS X, but no one has paid to have Linux certified as a Unix.

    --
    Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
  68. That explains by notlameness · · Score: 4, Funny

    so by this communities standards, everything trek that has gone before sucks and everything going forward is uber cool because the drawings were rendered on a nice open operating system, using closed source software on closed source hardware to make a movie for profit rather than a closed operating system on closed rendering software on closed hardware .

    Such a fickle bunch.

  69. Re:speaking of covers by octalgirl · · Score: 2

    This weeks TV Guide has 4 different covers for this Star Trek movie - it's one of those plastic sheets where the picture changes as you move it around. (what do you call those anyway?)

  70. Re:false false false! stop spreading this myth! by sql*kitten · · Score: 2

    Mac OS X is not "more Unix than Linux", not by any stretch of the imagination. OS X is based on BSD, which no longer incorporates any code derived from original Unices. Therefore, they are both "clones". Mac OS X is a registered Unix, ie. they paid to be able to call it Unix. Linux probably meets the single unix specification more closely than OS X, but no one has paid to have Linux certified as a Unix.

    "Unix" means Unix 98 certified. Any arguments about what's more Unix than what can easily be answered by this method.

  71. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by matt-fu · · Score: 1

    Who knows what it will be next year?

    I bet SGI makes a killer abacus.

  72. Whoops. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *bump MaxClients*

  73. Uh, dude? by Burning1 · · Score: 2

    OS/X is based on a BSD kernel. Last I checked, BSD was a Unix clone as well.

  74. I'll be impressed when... by core+plexus · · Score: 1

    ...my computer looks like "Romy" (from "Andromeda"). Furthermore, I would not care WHAT os she's running. Right now my machine looks more like Janet Reno, is forgetful sometimes, and certainly appears to have a mind of its own. And like the Enterprise and Voyager, critical systems only fail when I need them most, and then I have to tell the damn thing every little thing it has to do. I'm hoping for, at the least, a Borg Queen interface, as she just seems more like Linux than Romy.

    1. Re:I'll be impressed when... by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Let's see...

      Romy is sleek, graceful, a "work of art" (technically speaking), very user-friendly, and sexy.

      Borg Queen is powerful, only pleasant on the eyes if you are a geek (which I am), and is just thrown together (much like a bunch of different technicians started working at the same time).

      You know, I can see the resemblances.

    2. Re:I'll be impressed when... by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Oops, forgot 2 things: 1) Borg queen is VERY powerful 2) forgot to associate one with each OS (sort of obvious which is which). I like Linux for all things non desktop-related (serving, raw processing speed, SETI, etc), but for interfacing with I'd rather rather stick with something that won't stab me with implant-tentacles mid-coitous.

  75. yeah, by sstory · · Score: 2

    I should have guessed that linux was used by Star Trek. Just look at that horrible "lcars" interface. An ugly, poorly-designed, garish interface is a dead giveaway that linux is involved.

  76. Please boycott Digital Domain. by Sir_Ace · · Score: 0, Insightful

    It's no secret I was the one who took over the linux projects at Digital Domain, and set up thier render farms. I created the Intel render farms, using Slackware, and I even got Patrick Volkerding to write a boot loader for the SGI 320's and 540's so we could run it on our workstations too.
    I took the alpha render farm, revamped it to an NFS-root diskless cluster running Alpha-Slack. I worked on it for a year and a half, and I took a vacation and was let go WHILE I was on vacation.
    Michael Taylor, and Jeff Stringer took credit for my work, and my ideas. Both constantly stood in the way of progress on anything that had to do with linux while I was there, and neither deserves any of the credit they have recieved for my work.
    I ask that the entire slashdot community boycott any film, even remotely worked on by Digital Domain, it is a 20th century sweat shop located in Venice, California.
    -- Sir Ace

    1. Re:Please boycott Digital Domain. by Sir_Ace · · Score: 0

      I forgot to add this was 2 years ago, so this linux news is NOTHING NEW for them. Also I forgot to add I can post entire list of Linux vendors, and developers that the company INTENTIONALLY screwed.

      -- Sir Ace

    2. Re:Please boycott Digital Domain. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DO IT

    3. Re:Please boycott Digital Domain. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey. Michael Taylor here. Jeff Stringer is sitting right beside me. We're suing your ass for libel. You better be ready to prove we took credit for your work. Expect a subpoena.

    4. Re:Please boycott Digital Domain. by Sir_Ace · · Score: 0

      In a word...
      That's Nice...

      Ohh, wait that was two words, so now I owe you for the second... I guess that makes us even then...
      {much sarcasm} Also I find it amusing I had to post this anyway, thanks for the laugh...

      Ohh, ywah I forgot to throw in the obligatory "I'm quaking in my boots"...

  77. Its the hardware by gomadtroll · · Score: 1

    The arcticle does mention running Linux on Alphas, My guess running Linux on SGI hardware would be fast also, if possible. I know Linux is free to aquire, hardware is what does the number crunching, and what costs $$.
    Greg

  78. Mod parent down by phoxix · · Score: 2, Informative
    This FUD is disgusting. Apple themselves don't claim OS-X to be a UNIX, but rather Unix-based. Go to their website ( http://www.apple.com/macosx/ ) and you will see for yourself the silver image that claims such.

    Additionally, your comment that Linux is very much doing its one thing - blazing new trails in speed, stability, and of course acceptance of a free OS in the enterprise sector of business is a disgusting comment.

    Linux is doing far more then you can even begin to imagine. People are writing QoS packet schedulers, playing with distributive computing, and even using linux to create wireless APs.

    Please take your FUD else where.

    Sunny Dubey

    1. Re:Mod parent down by jimmy_dean · · Score: 1

      Actually it was meant to be anti-FUD. And I mistyped...I meant own, not one. Linux is very diverse...I am a huge supporter and loyal user of it for just about everything. But if you're so scared of taking a couple of critiques, then you go elsewhere...critiques make great for great software.

      --
      -> Sometimes, you just gotta break free from the shackles of proprietary code.
  79. This just in... by raytracer · · Score: 4, Funny
    Significant quantities of caffeinated cola beverages were used to enable the delivery of effects on Star Trek: Nemesis. Lead technical director I. M. Tyred was quoted as saying:
    If it weren't for Coke, Jolt and No-Doze, there is no way we could have finished this stuff on time. We also credit various snack cakes, particularly those made by Hostess, except for those Pink Snowballs, they suck.
    Industry insiders claim that improvements in snack cake and cola technology will soon make the delivery of films with entirely synthetic cast members possible in the next decade, eliminating the need for traditional actors entirely.
  80. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They do have a yet-to-be-released NUMA Linux system based on Itanium, but it probably shouldn't be thought of as a workstation.

    No, it should be thought of as a kickass gaming system!

  81. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by Duds · · Score: 1

    I've got money on OS/2.

    In that case, you'd probably be interested in Venture Capitalising a .com idea of mine ;)

  82. ITU SED LINUX OMG BETTERP OST HTIS!@#@#(@#( by [cx] · · Score: 0

    in other news nuns in italy are using linux to count the days they've been virgins !@#@((@

    WOW THIS IS NEWS * INFINITY

    all those actors had their digital enviroments made with linux?? WOW IS THIS A FIRST

    wowoowoowwwoow

  83. you joke but by IRNI · · Score: 3, Funny

    in the 25th century, the 14.2.22 kernel is used in the warp drive controller. Linus' frozen head was the lead developer on the warp engine software. You didn't think you could get from here to the other side of the galaxy on Windows did you? :)

  84. Thanks! by Sim9 · · Score: 1

    Thanks, I'll be sure to check these out!

  85. other cool articles in this issue by meonkeys · · Score: 1
    'zero copy', using the sendfile() system call -- this is pretty interesting stuff

    screen -- intro to a kick-ass console-based "window" manager

    quicksort -- understand the classic algorithm using DDD (shameless self-promo)

  86. sgi and windows, bad choices during the 90's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ho ho ho, sgi may have had other
    problems the fact that their
    low volume high performance specialty
    machines for gov(nasa) and private
    industry not providing sufficient
    cash flow. But the little detour
    they did selling Windows was a fiasco,
    that did nothing good for them.

  87. Re:speaking of covers by Theom · · Score: 1

    That would be holograms.

    --

    mp3: l33t term for empty.
  88. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by StarTux · · Score: 2

    So much anti-Linux sentiment growing on Slashdot...If you read the article they suggest merits too ya know.

    Of course one of the original authors of Nuke has responded saying it was indeed based on merit too. And that if the Linux desktop does not mature in two years they could switch to Mac OS X.

    The Linux desktop should have matured a lot more by then I'd imagine, especially as a great amount more effort is going into it next year due to increased corporate interest.

    Wonder if Adobe will ever release Photoshop for Linux? Yes I like the Gimp too, but sometimes a name sells.

  89. That explains why..... by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    the Bird of Prey is now a Giant Penguin

  90. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by Shelled · · Score: 2
    This year it's Mac OS X.

    Because it costs more, is available, and does what buyers want?

  91. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No wonder Patrick Stewart doesn't want to do any more 'Trek' movies. Should have used FreeBSD.

  92. Re:Linux? Bah! Scotty uses a Mac classic! by rseuhs · · Score: 2
    Ever seen Star Trek IV where Scotty sits down and talks into the mouse?

    That reminds me of the Simpsons-episode in which Homer did the same thing...

    No, this post doesn't have a point.

  93. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    which shows one more gigantic photo... windows never had the ability to do what the irix machines were doing, so therefore linux has yet ANOTHER thing they can do that windows will never be able to do..

    serious computing uses linux and unix... playing around like children? use windows.

  94. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

    Because it costs more, is available, and does what buyers want?

    Well, really just that last one. ;-)

    --

    I write in my journal
  95. CNN by isorox · · Score: 2

    Hmm, an article on star trek and still no word from CleverNickName - I guess he doesnt need any more karma today........

  96. It's Moore's Law you boobs! by RageEX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When making perf. statements these kind of articles are always misleading. They upgraded from old SGI hardware running IRIX to new *whatever* hardware running LINUX. Yeah, I'm sure all your perf. belong to LINUX.

  97. Re:Linux? Bah! Scotty uses a Mac classic! by saskboy · · Score: 1

    Captain! She canna take it na more! I have to shut the engines down!

    DOH!

    --
    Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
  98. uhoh coredump! by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1


    No, but it will be a feature in one of the next kernels.

    It's only compilable as a module only because to "modulate the phase buffer to route power to the primary shields" takes up too much memory from the Enterprise so the holographic Doctor (based on Eliza written somewhere in the 21th century) can still function in emergencies without using swapspace rendering the sensors useless...

    We don't want to have a "core dump" ya know ?

    Life's a bitch .. start bitching!

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  99. Er by cca93014 · · Score: 1
    ' guess this means that Linux is finally ready for 'The Enterprise.'

    Shut Up

    1. Re:Er by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad CleverNickName didn't make the OP. Then you could have said, "Shut up, Wesley!"

  100. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah but every quater they're loosing less and less money, hopefully they'll make a profit in 2003.

  101. Re:Ho hum, whatever....EXACTLY.. by Genjurosan · · Score: 1

    This means nothing. They switched to LINUX to render... but they still use IRIX for Maya and Houdini. I've got a few friends that have done work at d2 and they all think nothing about it. Rendering is a job for a large number of systems that don't need shit for graphics, and that's exactly why they switched. Why do I need an Octane 2 or a Fuel to render?

  102. I guess this means that Linux is finally ready for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good one, "I guess this means that Linux is finally ready for 'The Enterprise.'" I'm sure that you'd put your life on the line with free software.

  103. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no sir.

    you are confusing the prosumer crowd...i.e. effects studios that were running lightwave and 3dmax. sure, nt was a big hit with them.

    the big boys? running nt? don't make me laugh.

    in almost all cases, LINUX MACHINES REPLACED SGIS.

    now run home and spank yourself.

  104. Re:false false false! stop spreading this myth! by kalidasa · · Score: 2

    Isn't the reason Linux is NOT Unix 98 certified because Linus Torvalds would have to pay a small royalty on each copy of Linux distributed with the Unix certification (which obviously would be a Bad Thing)? I'm asking, that was always my understanding.
    The Linux trademark, on the other hand, LT can license however he wants to, and doesn't have to charge people who use it: he can just license the circumstances if he wants to.
    IANAL, of course.

  105. correct, and furthermore by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 2
    You are correct, AFAIK. Linux is not certified because it would cost money, which obviously would not work.

    And furthermore, *BSD, which OS X is based on(!), is also _NOT_ certified.

    So this whole "OS X is more Unix than Linux" is total BS.

    Cheers.

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  106. BSD IS DEAD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You tool.

  107. Irix, Win95+ & MacOS used to make Everything E by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congrats Linux on your one movie. May it play forever on TNN and strengthen the souls of the zealots that promote you.

  108. Re:Irix, Win95+ & MacOS used to make Everythin by devinhedge · · Score: 1

    LOL.

    You crack me up.

    I guess you didn't hear that ILM converted to Linux. Star Trek Episode II was thier first Linux project.

    Irix has become...deprecated?

  109. Re:The deeper meaning of switching from Irix to Li by saskboy · · Score: 1

    Nice joke. Too bad I beat you to it! ;-)http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=47222&cid=4 838277

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  110. Didn't you know? by UnixRevolution · · Score: 1

    Isn't it obvious? LCARS is a theme for Enlightenment! :)

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  111. Re:Irix, Win95+ & MacOS used to make Everythin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Star Trek Episode II"???

    Do you mean "Star Trek II, The Wrath of Kahn" or "Star WARS Episode II, Attack of the Clones"?

    Or did you mean Clone Wars Star, Attack Trek of War?

    Sometimes I get confused too.

  112. Re:Irix, Win95+ & MacOS used to make Everythin by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

    Well, Seeing as STII came out in 1982, I'd have to guess that it wasn't made using Linux...

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  113. Re:This isn't where your research shines either by buck_wild · · Score: 1

    From the linked website: Processors 2-512

    Where did you get 1000?

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  114. Re:Well your research sucks too. by RageEX · · Score: 1

    There are many SGI systems running over 1000 CPUs, LANL has a 6144 CPU installation.

    If you read John Mashey's excellent NUMAflex paper you'll see that such systems can be configured in a mind-boggling number of ways. So SGI packages certain common/sensible configs. You can give them your credit card and call in an order for a preconfigured 512 CPU machine, no prob. If you want 1024 CPUs, or 2048 CPUs, or more you have to sit down, have a nice lunch with them, and talk about your exact needs so they can spec a system for you.

  115. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 1

    Price Wang's programmer was coding software. His fingers danced upon
    the keyboard. The program compiled without an error message, and the program
    ran like a gentle wind.
    Excellent!" the Price exclaimed, "Your technique is faultless!"
    "Technique?" said the programmer, turning from his terminal, "What I
    follow is the Tao -- beyond all technique. When I first began to program I
    would see before me the whole program in one mass. After three years I no
    longer saw this mass. Instead, I used subroutines. But now I see nothing.
    My whole being exists in a formless void. My senses are idle. My spirit,
    free to work without a plan, follows its own instinct. In short, my program
    writes itself. True, sometimes there are difficult problems. I see them
    coming, I slow down, I watch silently. Then I change a single line of code
    and the difficulties vanish like puffs of idle smoke. I then compile the
    program. I sit still and let the joy of the work fill my being. I close my
    eyes for a moment and then log off."
    Price Wang said, "Would that all of my programmers were as wise!"
    -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming"

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