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Tivo 2 Features On the Horizon

Lemuel writes "Tivo has finally pre-announced its music and photo pictures for the Tivo 2. Users will be able to play MP3s and view photos that come from their computer. It will also be possible to program the Tivo via a web site. An official announcement is due in January. There will be revenue associated with these items. Only the remote programming sounds interesting to me, but I'm glad for anything that would keep Tivo afloat."

309 comments

  1. Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Due to pressure from the MPAA, they're dropping the program recording capability.

    1. Re:Unfortunately by VoidEngineer · · Score: 1

      Due to pressure from the Cisco, they're also dropping the network routing capability.

    2. Re:Unfortunately by boopus · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know, as much as you didn't mean to, you bring up a good point. A series 2 tivo has USB network support, so for the price of an extra usb nic, it could easily double as a home router. Now that's what I'd call feature creep.

    3. Re:Unfortunately by VoidEngineer · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your agreement. I used to work as a network engineer.

  2. fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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      -- You are such a fucking fag
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  4. whooo ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  5. Glory Hole Etiquette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    1. IS THERE SUCH A THING AS GLORY HOLE ETIQUETTE?

    Well, there seems to be. Unfortunately, we couldn't find any websites or literature to research it, although a woman in Kentucky with a similar interest told us there is a site, but she never got back with us to let us know where it is. Gay websites we looked at didn't seem to address it unless we just didn't know how to navigate around one properly and adult bookstores don't seem to acknowledge their existence. All that leaves us with is personal experience, all of which comes from West Virginia.

    Rest assured though, based upon some threads on the boards, there are other states that have them. They apparently also exist in public restrooms, but we've never seen any and don't know anything personally about them, only what we've heard. This piece is confined only to glory holes found in adult bookstores.

    2. WHAT EXACTLY IS A GLORY HOLE?

    For the uninitiated, a glory hole is simply a hole in a wall separating two adjoining video booths. Glory holes can vary in size, but all serve the same basic purpose, ie. to allow a man to slip his penis through the hole from his side to the other booth.

    Some are small, round holes just large enough to accommodate a penis and nothing more. In some bookstores, they can be larger, rectangular or square cut-outs big enough for a person to place his or her head through if so inclined. Why so large? While the glory hole is large enough to allow two people to engage in oral sex or masturbation, one person at a time, the larger ones allow easier access not only for the same purpose, but can also allow for anal intercourse, or vaginal intercourse if you happen to be female, or on the outside chance you meet a woman there. Not that you have to do any of this. We have to believe that while the larger holes when used for oral sex gives one person better access to the instrument of destruction, and surrounding parts poking through, they would also add to the exhibitionist and/or voyeuristic nature of the experience for both parties.

    3. WHAT ABOUT THE BOOTHS?

    A typical video booth is small. Generally, each comes with a small wooden seat for one person or a wooden bench that can seat two people somewhat comfortably. The smaller glory hole is slightly lower than waist level for the typical man so if you're extremely short or tall, good luck being comfortable using one. The larger holes center just below the waist area, but because of their size, height isn't really a factor.

    In some bookstores, rather than a completely wooden barrier separating the two booths, a glass partition, starting about chest high and opaque in color extends above the wooden wall to the ceiling. By pressing a button on your side of the wall, you are sending a signal to the person in the adjoining booth you want to be able to see him, or in rare cases, her. If the other person is agreeable, he or she can push their own button and magically the glass clears to give each person an unobstructed view of the other.

    4. HOW CLEAN ARE THE BOOTHS?

    This can vary from bookstore to bookstore. When it comes to gritty, a place in Wheeling comes to mind. The movie screens in the booths are cum-splattered, the floors sticky or wet, and wadded up wet paper towels or tissue litter the floor. It's kind of weird because a mop and bucket are visible in a corner, but it doesn't look like anyone has learned how to operate these hi-tech tools at this place.

    On the other hand, some are very clean. It appears to depend on the management. One place south of Parkersburg, under new management, seems almost fanatical about cleanliness. An employee seems to be constantly around with a mop, bucket and bottle of glass cleaner. Under the prior management, that was't the case.

    Some places do provide a roll of paper towels which you can tear off and take in a booth with you. We suppose you should do your part and use them to clean up any mess you might make, but leave the Windex at home unless you don't want to watch a blurred porn flick. If you were interested in movies only, you probably wouldn't be in a booth with a glory hole anyway.

    Also, there's nothing to prohibit you from taking your own stuff. If you think you're going to be on your knees, take a small towel or any other cleansing items, like maybe hand-wipes. It's probably just a matter of preference. The male half of this tandem doesn't worry so much about dirt and grime while the female half does.

    5. WHAT DOES IT COST?

    Not all that much really. All you're paying for is the movie you choose. Still, while the cost is nominal, 25 cents to get the movie of your choice started, there is a kicker to this. You are paying to have a movie on in increments. In some places, you can get 100 seconds for a quarter and watch the timer countdown every 10 seconds, ie. 100, 90, 80, etc. down to zero. In other places, you get a digital numeral that counts down the same way, eg. 5,4,3,2,1 and finally zero. When the time runs out, the movies goes off until another quarter is dropped in the slot.

    Does it matter? It can. When you get 100 seconds for a quarter it comes to $9.00 per hour if we did the math right. The point is, you know exactly what you are getting. The problem with the digital counter is you get a certain number of seconds for each count, but those don't seem to be as long. Unless you take a stopwatch, it's difficult to know what you're getting for your quarter, but it seems to be about half the time as the timed segments.

    Some bookstores require that you buy tokens at 25 cents a piece, usually five dollars worth. Don't be concerned if you run out though. We haven't found a single coin mechanism that doesn't take quarters after you run out of tokens.

    Does anybody really care if you have a movie running? You bet! If you go, arm yourself with a generous supply of quarters. Once inside the booth, when you drop your first quarter in the slot, a small light comes on outside of your booth.

    This does two things. First, it lets other patrons know the booth is occupied so someone can go to the opposite booth adjoining it to check you out. Of course, to those without a discerning eye that can't tell the door is closed and locked, it means someone may start pulling on the door trying to get in.

    Second, what it also does, is let some employee, that does have a discerning eye, know the booth is occupied but the movie isn't playing. Does he care? Yep, that's his job. You may just hear from outside, "Start dropping some quarters!" Or worse, pounding on the door telling you to "drop quarters" to "Open the door!" Worse yet, a stern command to "Open the door!" accompanied by hard knocking.

    Embarrassing? Maybe, maybe not. Just pay attention to the timer, have enough quarters and keep the movies going. Movies-that's plural. You'll have a selection, depending on where you go, of 10-16 movies in almost every category imaginable. Gay male, lesbian, BDSM, interracial, strictly oral or group sex. You name the theme, they'll probably have it available. Check the wall when you first walk in. With the exception of one place, the movie selection is there for you to review along with the corresponding number so you can turn to that channel in your booth to watch the Academy Award winning movie of your choice.

    6. WHERE DO YOU FIND GLORY HOLES?

    Well, by asking other people or just checking out adult bookstores. In West Virginia, it seems every adult bookstore has them. One thing you can count on, the stores certainly don't advertise them. You won't see ads in the newspapers, Yellow Pages or on billboards saying, "Come Check Out Our Glory Holes." The fact is, it's as though they don't even exist.

    With one exception, we haven't been to a place that doesn't have two signs up. One always warns against loitering which means get in a booth and start shoving quarters in. This doesn't seem to be enforced all that much and as long as you're walking slowly around in circles, that seems to be good enough. The second sign you'll see forbids sexual contact of any kind, or solicitation; that it will not be tolerated and subject you to being asked to leave the premises or to prosecution.

    A legal thing no doubt. After all, it seems almost nonsensical to have such a sign outside a line of booths that have a little hole to the next booth, unless we have this all wrong and they are really for passing cigarettes, mints and popcorn between fellow movie goers.

    7. WHAT KINDS OF PEOPLE FREQUENT THESE PLACES?

    The simple answer if you go is people like you! If you're first thought is only gay men hang around these places, that would be wrong. Sure, gay men will be there, but so will the bisexual and bi-curious. And, don't kid yourself, some, maybe quite a few, are certainly straight. The fact is, you'll run into all types of people. Some will be blue collar and other will appear to be businessmen. Some will be muscular, some obese and some are in between. There will be those that appear dirty and dressed kind of ratty and others that look very clean and seem overdressed. It may not always mean anything, but some men will have a wedding ring on.

    Why would a straight guy go? A couple reasons probably. If you are going to be on the receiving end of oral sex from an anonymous stranger by sticking your penis through a little hole, are you really going to know if those are male or female lips on the other side. In a way, not really, although that probably denies reality. If all you see are men milling around, chances are those lips are attached just outside the oral cavity of a man. Ah, but the fantasy is still there and it plays a role. That warm little mouth could belong to your favorite actress or model if that's what you choose.

    On the other hand, we have seen females hanging around. Generally, they'll be there as the other half of a male/female couple or, in some cases, with one or more other women. We recall at one place a woman, with a man, came in. She was dressed like a hooker, but wasn't. The assumption was the guy with her was her husband or significant other. Whatever he was, he was there to watch her engage in sex with other men. They chose a booth and went inside but left the door open. Before long there was a line of men waiting to take part in an oral gang bang that later turned into sexual intercourse for some of them at the suggestion of the man she was with.

    Three things about this. First, it had the makings of a loving wives story on this site. Second, the management didn't seem to care, yet had to be aware because of the layout of the store. Finally, not all men frequenting glory holes are gay. In fact, the booths seemed to empty out while she was there. It certainly wasn't a gay man's paradise that day.

    As an aside on the gay vs. straight or somewhere in-between issue, the male half here, getting a can of pop one time, was asked by a man if there were couples in the back and, the female half, sliding her long, slender and very obvious feminine finger through a glory hole doesn't seem to have a problem getting a response from men.

    Still, if you're a single guy looking to find a gal-pal, you'd probably have a better chance at a church social. These are not places where you'll find your future wife nor are they places where you'll probably build lasting relationships.

    Of course, you could run into someone you know. We wouldn't worry about it too much. They have just as much explaining to do as you do, especially if there doing research. Depending on your age, we can only imagine one thing worse; hearing a voice from the other side saying, "Hi, Dad!"(or Mom, whichever sounds worse to you)

    8. CONDOMS?

    Those damn little hunks of rubber that take away from the pleasurable experience of sex; should you use them? That's a personal decision obviously, but let's get real here. They may not be much fun, but they could save your life!

    Sure, the stories written regarding glory holes never mention them, but in a story, it wouldn't be very erotic. It's like a porn movie. You want to see that hot cum squirting all over her face instead of it blowing up the end of a rubber! But, this isn't a movie or a story. This real life. Common sense should prevail.

    It may also depend on what you decide to do. If you're going to masturbate someone, maybe you don't care as much. We recall one man, of several, that turned and placed his buttocks against the glory hole. It was clear what he wanted and the point was made even more clear because sticking in the crack of his butt was a packaged condom. Of course, do want to reach in there and pull it out?

    While it's your choice, if you choose to use them, carry them with you. If you offer to it someone and they refuse it, so be it. They'll probably leave the booth and someone else will eventually come in. Still, through observation and talking to people, it seems the majority of people do not practice safe glory hole sex. Probably a mistake but we don't see it as our job to judge. We're not your parents and we're not your sex education teachers.

    9. OKAY, SO YOU WANT TO GET OFF, OR GET SOMEONE ELSE OFF!

    So, you've made the decision to do it, or do something. Go into the booth, put a few quarters in the slot and find a movie you might enjoy while you're waiting. If you want to be the one that gets off, unzip your pants, pull that baby out, and start stroking. Hey, that's what the movie is for and this is not a time to be shy. When the adjoining booth lights up from a movie starting, just wait. If you hear quite a few quarters dropping in the next booth, that's a good sign someone is at least interested.

    If you want the other person to know you want to get off, it doesn't hurt to stand and face the hole. This will let the person know exactly what you want. While talking to the other person is fine, most everything is done by hand signals. If he wants you to stick that sucker through the hole, he'll place his finger on the hole, maybe circle it, and then withdraw it. That's your signal to put your penis through the hole. It doesn't mean however that oral sex will follow. It may be he is only willing to masturbate you.

    Do you have to ejaculate? No, you can withdraw at anytime and wait for another person, or sometimes just take turns with the first person. The fact is, the other person may have no interest in oral or manual sex in any event. He may just want to watch or he may want you to watch him. In that event, don't expect a finger to come through the hole.

    If, on the other hand, you want to get him off, just reverse the process. If he's interested when he sees that big old digit of yours, you'll know soon enough. What you do from there is up to you, but like you, he may not let you finish the job you've started. Don't be offended. It's not uncommon for a person to want to try several different people before going for the big one.

    Like we said, people do talk to each other, but not often. You may be asked if it's okay to come in your mouth. You may be invited to join the other person or he may want to join you in your booth or, he may ask if you want to go his car or his place.

    On the first one, we've done that, but that was finishing act of something that began outside in a vehicle and was prearranged. We wouldn't worry too much about accepting an invitation to join though. We haven't really run into anybody rude or crude and there is a certain safety factor in the building. The last thing management wants is a problem.

    And, while we're at it, don't worry about running into Hannibal Lecter looking for a tube steak sandwich! We're not aware of anyone ever losing their precious member to a muncher. We're not saying saying it couldn't happen, just that we're not aware of any problems like that. The rudest thing we've ever witnessed, which happens often and may not be all that rude, is the guy that pokes his penis through the glory hole uninvited. You still have the safety of the wall between you and can choose to ignore or not ignore him.

    Being invited outside, to a vehicle or a home, by a Jeffrey Dahmer wannabe, is quite another thing. Do it if you want, but we wouldn't. You're in a place believed to be frequented by gays and there is such a thing as gay bashing. You may not be gay, but try explaining that while you're munching on a warm creamstick for the first time in your life just to see what it's like.

    10. WHY GO IN THE FIRST PLACE?

    There's no emotional bond with the other person. In many places, you don't even see the other person's face. It's completely anonymous and in a sense, all very mechanical. We have our own reasons for going and we suspect everybody else does too. Maybe you just want to watch or be watched. We've done both. Maybe you want to be a little more active or just want to try something new.

    Who knows! The fact is, it can be fun and entertaining. That's what it's really all about. Like we said, it's doubtful you're going to make any long lasting relationships in an adult bookstore. Although, we did one time meet someone that later lead to another meeting, but we would have to say that's extremely rare. Figure out why you want to go. For us, it isn't necessarily for sexual reasons, at least not always with other people. Since you don't have to do anything, go and enjoy-we have!

    So, there you have it. Probably not the most exhaustive piece that could be written on the subject, but enough to get anybody started if they make decision to give it a try.

  6. Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Tivo sucks, almost as much as the computers you fatass losers sit in front of. Go out, exercise and get a life!

  7. hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    hmmm

  8. Revenue? by jesser · · Score: 2, Funny

    There will be revenue associated with these items.

    You mean fees?

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    The shareholder is always right.
    1. Re:Revenue? by sunbane · · Score: 1

      You know, I don't mind paying a couple additional fees if it means I can get program updates, etc. trhough the web rather than a phone line. That is the only reason I still pay the local baby bell to keep my house wired. That will save me $30 a month so if I pay an additional $10 a month for a few fees I still save $20!

    2. Re:Revenue? by gear02 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You know the Tivo 2 has built in drivers to support USB ethernet adapters. I don't have a land line and I get my updates through the web

    3. Re:Revenue? by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      You know, I don't mind paying a couple additional fees if it means I can get program updates, etc. trhough the web rather than a phone line.

      Add a TurboNet to your Series 1 TiVo (or one of the compatible USB Ethernet dongles to your Series 2), set up a DHCP server on your LAN, and change the dialing prefix (#,401 IIRC). Your TiVo will start grabbing its updates over whatever Internet access is on your LAN. TiVo doesn't know any differently since it doesn't maintain its own dial-up POPs. In fact, in addition to saving yourself some money if you ditch your POTS line, you'll also save TiVo some money by not using dial-up access.

      You can also add TivoWeb to a Series 1 to add HTTP-based control of your TiVo. Open an SSH tunnel to your TiVo (something like ssh -L 80:tivo:80 -N -f me@myhome.org && mozilla http://localhost/) and you have secure access to your TiVo from anywhere. There are no fees associated with this, either.

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      20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
  9. *sigh* by rhodesbe · · Score: 0, Troll

    you are pathetic, and the funny thing is that someday you will die.

  10. tenth post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    strom Thurmond should of won in 1948

    1. Re:tenth post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sew eff too wirds sownd thu saem ewe kan intarchange thim? Eye dedn't no thet.

  11. Meanwhile by sheepab · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    I have the freedom of recording whatever I want on my pc with my video capture card, without paying a fee, and without my viewing habits being tracked. I wonder what kind of nasty stuff they have cooked up in this Tivo 2 of theirs....

    1. Re:Meanwhile by wdr1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought about going that route. However, there's a few things missing:

      1) I don't want to watch TV on my monitor. My TV is nicer. My TV is in front of the couch. My TV has a better picture. My TV has sound through my stero.

      2) Season Passes. To be honest, I don't know when half of what I watch is one. I just look at at my Tivo list & watch one of them.

      3) Searching by category. Everyone so often, I like to go look at say, all the movies, coming up & Tivo the ones I've wanted to see.

      4) The interface. Any way you cut it, Tivo did a great job here.

      Viva La Tivolution!
      -Bill

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    2. Re:Meanwhile by Keeper · · Score: 5, Insightful

      TiVo is very open about what kind of data they collect (data which is not linked to specific users), and provide an easy way to opt out of that collection process.

      The fact that you can record video on a pc means nothing to me -- a Tivo is nothing but a really low end computer running linux -- but you don't get a Tivo just to record tv. Saying "my computer with a video capture card does the same thing" is like saying that "my ford escort is just as good for a 2000 mile treck across the country as luxury sedan". They both get the job done. One is just a hell of a lot nicer than the other.

    3. Re:Meanwhile by tswinzig · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have the freedom of recording whatever I want on my pc with my video capture card

      Yes, you do. On the contrary, I have the freedom to enjoy using my extremely user-friendly, feature-filled TiVo. Of giving programs thumbs-up and having it record similar programs. Of easily setting up Season Passes for all my favorite shows. For setting up wishlists based on favorite actors, directors, and keywords, and having any matching programs automatically record. And this all comes in a nice-looking black box that blends in with the rest of my home stereo equipment.

      without paying a fee

      I don't "pay a fee." That implies I'm getting nothing in return. I buy a service. I could also fork out $250 and get that service for the lifetime of my TiVo. If you had a TiVo, you wouldn't be complaining about $15 a month. I'd pay 2-3x that for what TiVo does.

      without my viewing habits being tracked

      This is the worst mud you can come up with to sling at TiVo?

      Yes, horrors, TiVo aggregately tracks your viewing habits. I like this. I would prefer future content be tailored to what I like to watch. I like the idea that maybe my viewing preference information will make its way back to the bigwigs... maybe more West Wings, and Sopranos, and Six Feet Unders, and Andy Richters will show up on TV then!

      I wonder what kind of nasty stuff they have cooked up in this Tivo 2 of theirs....

      Sigh... You're the stereotypical slashdotter. I bet you get all hot and bothered with every "Your Rights Online" post they make here, don't you?

      I am willing to trade a little meaningless privacy for a lot of added value.

      Yes, that's right, it is MEANINGLESS to me if "they" know what I watch on TV! If I want to watch something deviant, I'll buy it on DVD like the rest of the world.

      --

      "And like that ... he's gone."
    4. Re:Meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Saying "my computer with a video capture card does the same thing" is like saying that "my ford escort is just as good for a 2000 mile treck across the country as luxury sedan". They both get the job done. One is just a hell of a lot nicer than the other.

      Welcome to Slashdot. We use linux here. Nobody cares about "niceness", or "ease-of-use", or "simplicity", or any of that shit here. In fact, we hate it. Well, except for those Mac loonies over in apple.slashdot.org, but they use Macs, so their opinion doesn't count anyways.

      </sarcasm>

    5. Re:Meanwhile by captaincucumber · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Why are Tivo Zealots so, well, zealous?

      There are several problems with the Tivo, and please don't do your goofy things where you put these points in italics and spout goofy zealotry.

      1) Monthly fee. You may be willing to pay it, but I'm not. I know it's not much money, I don't care. I don't care about downloading programming, etc, etc, all that stuff is available free on the web, I won't pay for it.

      2) (and this is a minor point) Can't do a lot of cool stuff that it should be able to. The new Tivo's will come with a NIC, right? I should be able to connect to the Tivo and download mpegs. I should be able to send shows to friends, download them to my laptop, burn them to VCD, etc. Obviously I realize why Tivo will never include this functionality.

    6. Re:Meanwhile by demaria · · Score: 2

      Repeat: The Tivo is not just a VCR. The Tivo is not just a VCR. The Mac is not a typewriter. The Tivo is not just a VCR.

    7. Re:Meanwhile by boopus · · Score: 4, Informative

      You won't understand the zealots untill you've joined them.

      1) The monthly fee is a financed $250 payment. Anyone with basic math knowledge will pay the lifetime fee and be done with it. (a used replay or tivo with lifetime subscription sells for about $250 more than one without). A tivo or replay costs $500 new, give or take 50.

      2) PVRs do what they're supposed to do. A PC which costs more than a tivo can do the same thing as a tivo, and do a worse job. With a PVR, you're watching extreemly flexible TV. With a PC, you're using your computer to watch TV. Oh, and a new ReplayTV will do everything you mentioned and they're fighting for your right to do it in court.

    8. Re:Meanwhile by tswinzig · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why are Tivo Zealots so, well, zealous?

      I could turn your question around on you. Why are computer-centric *nix zealots so against a user-friendly device that doesn't run on their computer?

      Or I could answer your question directly and say, because non-TiVo users spout ignorant bullshit and get modded up by equally ignorant moderators?

      Monthly fee. You may be willing to pay it, but I'm not.

      Fine. Don't pay it. End of story. I couldn't care less if you aren't willing to pay it. Good for you.

      However, if you want to post on slashdot and pretend that your no-monthly-charge, put-together PVR with the web-downloaded TV guide hack is as elegant as my $13 a month TiVo, please expect a strong rebuttal.

      I don't care about downloading programming, etc, etc, all that stuff is available free on the web, I won't pay for it.

      This is what drives me up the wall. I don't pay $13 a month merely for programming content. I pay $13 a month because TiVo, the company, takes care of making sure the content is accurate, the format is compatible with my PVR, the guide is updated if channel lineup changes occur, the PVR automatically uses the data to update recording times, the PVR handles my season passes automatically, etc.

      Can't do a lot of cool stuff that it should be able to.

      You're right, I'd love a TiVo BJ, but that hasn't made it in there yet.

      The new Tivo's will come with a NIC, right?

      No, they have a USB port where a USB/ethernet device can be plugged in, such as those found on 9thtee.com.

      I should be able to connect to the Tivo and download mpegs.

      You can. You've been able to for years. It's not officially supported (yet), but this is one of the reasons the TiVo Series 2 has USB ports -- so TiVo can make addons that support new feature ideas, without risking the entire device to lawsuits that may require them to stop production on certain products.

      I should be able to send shows to friends, download them to my laptop, burn them to VCD, etc.

      You can easily save shows out the S-Video port, to anything that can handle S-Video, such as a VCR, DVD recorder, etc. You can use the unofficial software I talked about above to pull video off the TiVo. Honestly I've never felt the need to do either one. However, there is nothing stopping TiVo from coming up with addons to add these features. I am sure this is why they added USB ports and are now talking about networkable features that are in the works.

      Obviously I realize why Tivo will never include this functionality.

      You do?

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      "And like that ... he's gone."
    9. Re:Meanwhile by mcowger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, snapstream has all the features you mention...TV output, Season Passes (incl all or just new epsiodes) category search, and a pretty damn good TV full screen interface. That and it does streaming too over the web. Unfortunately, its windows & WMP only at the moment (DivX is on alpha)...but still a neat product. Not affiliated, just a happy customer.

    10. Re:Meanwhile by Rura+Penthe · · Score: 2

      It should be noted that you can opt-out of any data mining whatsoever as well. I leave mine on though, I want tivo to know I love firefly!

    11. Re:Meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahaha you're soooo FAT, no wonder.
      you must have wires all over your mothers basement haha. Poor you, some of us have $ and can afford something that blends in rather than having an eyesore. $15 .. boo fucking hoo

    12. Re:Meanwhile by shepd · · Score: 2, Informative

      >My TV has a better picture.

      Say what now?

      >Season Passes.

      If only it were Europe and we had standard DVB stuff, instead of the duopoly in non-standard Satellite TV we currently have. It would make viewing TV on your computer a pleasure, and you could buy any channel you want, not some moronic package that makes you buy a wildlife channel because you want TLC.

      >Searching by category. Everyone so often, I like to go look at say, all the movies, coming up & Tivo the ones I've wanted to see.

      Again, this is really more the result of the duopolistic control of satellite TV (soon to be monopolostic in America, unfortunately) rather than something that's actually impossible. You can also put some of the blame on Canada for our inane CRTC.

      >The interface. Any way you cut it, Tivo did a great job here.

      This is true. Although there are Tivo-alike projects out there (running on Linux!), however, the ones with Tivo-style features are for DVB. Some of them approach many Tivo features, I'm told.

      Here's one of the projects. Here's some that'll work minus the DVB (I think).

      If you want to go ahead and give DVB a try, there's some free programming on Telstar 5, but I doubt it'll be anything like what you get on DirecTV.

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      If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
    13. Re:Meanwhile by radish · · Score: 2

      2) (and this is a minor point) Can't do a lot of cool stuff that it should be able to. The new Tivo's will come with a NIC, right? I should be able to connect to the Tivo and download mpegs. I should be able to send shows to friends, download them to my laptop, burn them to VCD, etc. Obviously I realize why Tivo will never include this functionality.


      My Tivo has a NIC. I do all those things (and more - like remote control via web and soon via WAP) right now. Your next point?

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    14. Re:Meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > > My TV has a better picture.
      > Say what now? [sourceforge.net]

      So you're saying that DScaler will let me sit 6 to 8 feet away from my 17" montitor and get a better picture than my 32" TV?

      Hurray for open source!

    15. Re:Meanwhile by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      I wonder what kind of nasty stuff they have cooked up in this Tivo 2 of theirs....

      Hey, look ma! It's slander.

      Unless, of course, you can prove it. Which you can't, because there is no "nasty stuff".

    16. Re:Meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you please explain to me how dscaler makes my LaCie flat panel better than my Panasonic HDTV?

    17. Re:Meanwhile by Kazymyr · · Score: 1

      >>My TV has a better picture.

      >Say what now? [sourceforge.net]

      My TV has a better picture because it's friggin bigger than the computer monitor, and no Dscaler will help that.

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      I hadn't known there were so many idiots in the world until I started using the Internet -Stanislaw Lem
    18. Re:Meanwhile by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      the result of the duopolistic control of satellite TV (soon to be monopolostic in America, unfortunately)

      I heard on the radio the other day that the merger between Hughes (DirecTV) and Echostar (Dish Network) has been called off.

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      20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
    19. Re:Meanwhile by akeb · · Score: 1

      I live in a European state where the TiVo isn't available so I had to set up my own system. I use Perl and fetch information about shows, categories and external reviews (movies only) from the web. Each show is then assigned a value and in the end I calculate what shows to record to maximize the sum of values.

      Most things are controlled with remote and I have built my computer in a nice silent black and silver box using products from NoiseControl.

      Of course, the TiVo is a better choice if it's available and you don't like working with computers. But for me, setting everything up is more than half the fun so it's well worth it.

      Conclusion: The TiVo is probably good, but about the same functionality can be acheived with a TV-card, Debian GNU/Linux and Perl if you're willing to put in some work.

    20. Re:Meanwhile by shepd · · Score: 1

      >So you're saying that DScaler will let me sit 6 to 8 feet away from my 17" montitor and get a better picture than my 32" TV?

      No, but if you had a 32" monitor, you'd have the best picture in the world.

      (Yes, they make them that size. $1,900 according to The Screen Savers).

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      If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
    21. Re:Meanwhile by shepd · · Score: 1

      >My TV has a better picture because it's friggin bigger than the computer monitor, and no Dscaler will help that.

      Then buy a bigger monitor. They do make them in TV sizes. I can't help it if you don't have a big enough monitor for your needs. Sorry.

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      If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
    22. Re:Meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Could you please explain to me how dscaler makes my LaCie flat panel better than my Panasonic HDTV?

      Well, if you're talking HDTV rather than regular TV, I an assure you that a quality HDTV receiving card for your computer will provide a far better picture to your LCD. Not that DScaler works with it, but I didn't realise this was a discussion on HDTV. I must have missed that.

      Does that explain it? Or would you rather me break it down a little more? :-)

    23. Re:Meanwhile by Tattva · · Score: 2
      Then buy a bigger monitor. They do make them in TV sizes

      Now you're just being silly. If you look up "alternative" in the dictionary I bet it doesn't say "an available choice that costs thousands of dollars more than a similar choice."

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    24. Re:Meanwhile by shepd · · Score: 1

      >Now you're just being silly. If you look up "alternative" in the dictionary I bet it doesn't say "an available choice that costs thousands of dollars more than a similar choice."

      Actually, the price is at most double that of a decent quality TV of the same size.

      IIRC, The Screen Savers were reviewing a 30" (or so, I can't remember the exact dimensions) monitor/TV combo with full VGA input and (according to them) a totally flat, high quality display that provided easy to read text for under $2000. They say that these monitors are very popular in meeting rooms for presentations. In comparison to a "regular" high-end TV, for example the Sony KV-32HV600, this represents a price inflation of only $100, which makes this an easy choice on the pocketbook.

      I will furnish you with links and a model, if you would like. I would just need to search The Screen Savers site for past articles.

      HTH.

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      If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
  12. But can you... by swg101 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    move files onto the computer for archiving/storage? The article talks about playing mp3's/video from the computer as well as "home networking", but there are no real details. Any other info?

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    Like pi? Try 10,000 digits.
    1. Re:But can you... by BadlandZ · · Score: 2

      I don't see this will be much of a leap. There has long been a TiVo/Samba connection

  13. Upgrade for us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any upgrade for us early adopters?

    1. Re:Upgrade for us? by Kazymyr · · Score: 2, Informative

      As it has been stated in the TiVo Coffee House forum by TiVo employees, there will be no upgrade for the Series 1 hardware.

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      I hadn't known there were so many idiots in the world until I started using the Internet -Stanislaw Lem
  14. ummmmmmm by W32.Klez.H · · Score: -1, Troll

    fuck tivo.

  15. The Art of Cunniligus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Hey, I have a lot of respect for all you guys who like to eat pussy because there are too few of you out there. And I'm not the only woman who says this. Furthermore, some of you guys who are giving it the old college try are not doing too well, so maybe this little lesson will help you out. When a woman finds a man who gives good head, she's found a treasure she's not going to let go of him too quickly. This is one rare customer and she knows it. She won't even tell her girlfriends about it or that guy will become the most popular man in town. So, remember, most guys can fuck, and those who can usually do it satisfactorily, but the guy who gives good head, he's got it made.
    aimage14.jpg (136243 bytes) Most women are shy about their bodies. Even if you've got the world's most gorgeous woman in bed with you, she's going to worry about how you like her body. Tell her it's beautiful, tell her which parts you like best, tell her anything, but get her to trust you enough to let you down between her legs. Now stop and look at what you see.

    Beautiful, isn't it?

    There is nothing that makes a woman more unique than her pussy.

    I know. I've seen plenty of them. They come in all different sizes, colors and shapes; some are tucked inside like a little girl's cunnie and some have thick luscious lips that come out to greet you. Some are nested in brushes of fur and others are covered with transparent fuzz. Appreciate your woman's unique qualities and tell her what makes her special. Women are a good deal more verbal than men, especially during love-making. They also respond more to verbal love, which means, the more you talk to her, the easier it will be to get her off. So all the time you're petting and stroking her beautiful pussy, talk to her about it.

    Now look at it again.

    aimage9.jpg (151647 bytes)Gently pull the lips apart and look at her inner lips, even lick them if you want to. Now spread the tops of her pussy up until you can find her clit. Women have clits in all different sizes, just like you guys have different sized cocks. It doesn't mean a thing as far as her capacity for orgasm. All it means is more of her is hidden underneath her foreskin.

    Whenever you touch a woman's pussy, make sure your finger is wet. You can lick it or moisten it with juices from inside her. Be sure, by all means, to wet it before you touch her clit because it doesn't have any juices of its own and it's extremely sensitive. Your finger will stick to it if it's dry and that hurts. But you don't want to touch her clit anyway. You have to work up to that. Before she becomes aroused, her clit is too delicate to be handled.

    Approach her pussy slowly. Women, even more so than men, love to be teased. The inner part of her thigh is her most tender spot. Lick it, kiss it, make designs on it with the tip of your tongue. Come dangerously close to her pussy, then float away. Make her anticipate it.

    Now lick the crease where her leg joins her pussy. Nuzzle your face into her bush. Brush your lips over her slit without pressing down on it to further excite her. After you've done this to the point where your lady is bucking up from her seat and she's straining to get more of you closer to her, then put your lips right on top of her slit.

    Kiss her, gently, then harder. Now use your tongue to separate her pussy lips and when she opens up, run your tongue up and down between the layers of pussy flesh. Gently spread her legs more with your hands. Everything you do with a woman you're about to eat must be done gently.

    aimage06.jpg (128859 bytes)Tongue-fuck her. This feels divine. It also teases the hell out of her because by now she wants some attention given to her clit. Check it out. See if her clit has gotten hard enough to peek out of its covering. If so, lick it. If you can't see it, it might still be waiting for you underneath. So bring your tongue up to the top of her slit and feel for her clit. You may barely experience its presence. But even if you can't feel the tiny pearl, you can make it rise by licking the skin that covers it. Lick hard now and press into her skin.

    Gently pull the pussy lips away and flick your tongue against the clit, hood covered or not. Do this quickly. This should cause her legs to shudder. When you sense she's getting up there toward orgasm, make your lips into an O and take the clit into your mouth. Start to suck gently and watch your lady's face for her reaction. If she can handle it, begin to suck harder. If she digs it, suck even harder. Go with her. If she lifts her pelvis into the air with the tension of her rising orgasm, move with her, don't fight her. Hang on, and keep your hot mouth on her clit. Don't let go. That's what she'll be saying too: 'Don't stop. Don't ever stop!'

    There's a reason for that - most men stop too soon. Just like with cock sucking, this is something worth learning about and worth learning to do well. I know a man who's a lousy fuck, simply lousy, but he can eat pussy like nobody I know and he never has trouble getting a date. Girls are falling all over him.

    But back to your pussy eating session...There's another thing you can do to intensify your woman's pleasure. You can finger-fuck her while she's enjoying your clit-licking talents. Before, during or after. She'll really like it. In addition to the erogenous zones surrounding her clit, a woman has another extremely sensitive area at the roof of her vagina. This is what you rub up against when you're fucking her. Well, since your cock is pretty far away from your mouth, your fingers will have to do the fucking.

    Take two fingers. One is too skinny and three is too wide and therefore can't get deep enough. Make sure they're wet so you don't irritate her skin. Slide them inside, slowly at first, then a little faster. Fuck her with them rhythmically. Speed up only when she does. Listen to her breathing.

    aimage03.jpg (136028 bytes)She'll let you know what to do. If you're sucking her clit and finger-fucking her at the same time, you're giving her far more stimulation than you would be giving her with your cock alone. So you can count on it that she's getting high on this. If there's any doubt, check her out for symptoms. Each woman is unique. You may have one whose nipples get hard when she's excited or only when she's having an orgasm. Your girl might flush red or begin to tremble. Get to know her symptoms and you'll be a more sensitive lover.

    When she starts to have an orgasm, for heaven's sakes, don't let go of that clit. Hang in there for the duration. When she starts to come down from the first orgasm, press your tongue along the underside of the clit, leaving your lips covering the top. Move your tongue in and out of her cunt. If your fingers are inside, move them a little too, gently though, things are extremely sensitive just now.

    If you play your cards right, you'll get some multiple orgasms this way. A woman stays excited for a full hour after she's had an orgasm. Do you realize the full impact of that information? The potential? One woman was clocked at 56 orgasms at one sitting. Do you know what effect you would have on a woman you gave 56 orgasms to? She'd be yours as long as you wanted her.

    The last advice I have for you is this: After you've made her come, made her your slave by giving her the best head she's ever had, don't leave her alone just yet. Talk to her, stroke her body, caress her breasts. Keep making love to her quietly until she's come all the way down. A man can get off and go to sleep in the same breath and feel no remorse, no sense of loss. But a woman by nature requires some sensitivity from her lover in those first few moments after sex.

    Oral sex can be the most exciting sexual experiences you can have. But it's what you make it. Take your time, practice often, pay attention to your lover's signals, and most of all, enjoy yourself.

    The G-Spot

    aimage02.jpg (141242 bytes)This does exist. And in over half of the women out there, it works better than anything else you can do to cause a strong, prolonged orgasm. The original name is the Grafenberg spot, after a doctor, Earnest Grafenberg, who documented the area (which may have been known by people here and there throughout history) in the fifties.

    This "spot" is a small "mound" of tissue inside the vagina, between a penny and quarter in size, which responds to being pressed upon. It's almost certainly not the skenes glands, (which are located around the urethra, which is behind the G-spot area), as has been suggested by a few people. In fact, the G-Spot is the tissue in that raised area of the vagina, which has a higher concentration of sexual nerves, and produces hormones similar to those made by the male's prostate gland.

    A sort of map to the area -- Imagine your lover lying on her back, legs spread. Your position is between her legs. You would slide a finger inside her vagina, palm up. With your finger straight back, middle finger is best, you would curve it toward yourself, gently, as if you were gesturing to someone to "come here". In doing so, the area you press on should be pretty near her "G-Spot" area. If you know enough to follow the urethra (the tube that leads from the bladder to where the pee comes out), along the inside of her vagina, you may feel a slight swelling (if she's excited) at the point where the g-spot is.

    She must be excited, especially if either you or she is new to the g-spot, for the g-spot to have any real effect at all. It's not the ideal area for getting your lover aroused.

    But when she is excited, this area (more often than not) is the best way to bring her to orgasm. You work your way back to it gradually, teasing her (typically, this works best) with your fingers, slowly and gently. It's easier to hit the right area with two fingers, but this may not be comfortable for her, depending on how "tight" she is at that moment. When you have your fingers around the right area, try gently pressing, not too quickly. The movement should be fairly rhythmic. It's typically best if you're licking her clitoris (or near it, depending on the woman) at the same time...don't make a big deal out of the "quest", this will often make her feel self-conscious, or distracted. The licking should seem to be the primary activity.

    When you find the right area, she should respond by getting more excited. Most of the vagina's inside surface isn't really that sexually sensitive, believe it or not...most of the excitement of randomly inserting fingers is more psychological than from the actual stimulation.

    While more complicated techniques work with some women, some of the time, the best basic technique, upon finding the g-spot, is to continue to slowly, rhythmically press on it, while licking her clitoris (for a few women, the labia (lips) are sensitive to licking, too).

    This should cause her to build up to an orgasm.

    A G-Spot orgasm is different (always, when it works at all) than any other kind women have. It is possible, with some women, to have different qualities and kinds of orgasms from vaginal, clitoral, anal, and even breast stimulation...but with other women, those kinds of orgasms are all pretty much the same. But the G-Spot orgasm not only feels different; it also causes her body to react in a different way.

    First, it often causes a "push out" orgasm. The area around, or "above" (farther inside, that is) your fingers seems to swell up or to contract toward the opening of her vagina.

    If you find the right combination of pushing back when this happens, and slacking off to let it push out, you can cause (in perhaps half of the women) her orgasm to continue happening, long after normal ones would have subsided. In some women you can even keep her at a "plateau" (raised level) of sexual excitement, like a prolonged orgasm (or a little less than one) afterward, building up to an even bigger climax.

    That brings me to another important point; G-Spot orgasms sometimes causes a huge amount (relatively speaking) of lubrication (juices, wetness)...far more than even the most excited woman gets from "conventional" stimulation.

    When that extra wetness combines with the push-out orgasm, you get actual ejaculation...like a guy, but much better tasting. The built up juices can shoot out in such volume that you, or she, may be afraid that she lost control of her bladder. That is (almost always) not what happened. The fear that she peed can be enhanced by the fact that the urethra is behind the g-spot, so that in rare cases the woman can sometimes get the feeling that she needs to pee, even though she does not.

    In reality, in both men and women, enough sexual excitement prevents peeing, unless you try really hard. This is a built-in reflex, because urine is something of a spermicide. The "pee hard-on" that men get in the morning is partially his body taking advantage of this reflex, to keep him from accidentally wetting the bed with the urine that built up while he was sleeping.

    Taste

    Anyone who likes, say, coffee or beer should have no room to complain about the way most women taste. No, I don't mean it tastes like coffee or beer, genius...I mean that beer and coffee are, at best, acquired tastes...they are not naturally pleasant to a human being, no matter how much your addiction to one or both has convinced you otherwise. Most people, whether they remember it or not, had to learn to like the taste of beer/coffee, and had the desire to be Like the Adults to help them along. Well, I'd list taking pleasure in cunnilingus above drinking addictive beverages on the list of things that prove maturity. Aside from that, there's the fact that many people who give it an honest try genuinely enjoy the taste/smell.

  16. programming the tivo by painehope · · Score: 5, Funny

    int sexualStatus ( char *sexuality ) {
    if ( (strcmp(sexuality,"I'm not gay goddamnit")) == 0 ) {
    recommendGayPorn();
    fputs("Sorry, Dave, we think you're gay", stdout);
    } else {
    recommendGayPorn();
    return 1;
    }

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    1. Re:programming the tivo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're missing an end brace.

    2. Re:programming the tivo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      int geekStatus ( char *geekiness )
      recommendGayPorn() {
      if ( (strcmp(geekiness,"I can't help but write useless pieces of code as an attempt at humor")) == 0 ) {
      findgayporn("anything remotly gay will do");
      fputs("Sorry, Dave, we still think you need a nice man", stdout);}
      else {
      recommendlesbianPorn();}
      return 1;}

  17. Don't buy this by bastardman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Tivo is evil. It allows me to record programs on tv while I'm away from home. It controls my life when I am at home. I swear to God the thing watchs me sleep at night as well... probably records it too. Who's been watching those videos? Because it isn't me...

    Back to wearing my tin foil jump suit

  18. Tracking viewing habits by Trane+Francks · · Score: 5, Interesting
    and without my viewing habits being tracked
    This is something that I've been puzzling over. Since we have cable-modem technology, what's to stop a cable tuner from calling home and reporting to the cable operator what channel you're viewing at any given moment? I'm not saying that this is actually being done, but I can think of no reason why such a thing couldn't be implemented. And if I were a cable operator, this would certainly be the sort of information that I'd be very, very interested in seeing.
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    1. Re:Tracking viewing habits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      This is something that I've been puzzling over. Since we have cable-modem technology, what's to stop a cable tuner from calling home and reporting to the cable operator what channel you're viewing at any given moment? I'm not saying that this is actually being done [snip]

      From what I hear, this is already being done with digital cable - when you phone the cable company for tech support, the support person can see what channel your cable box is tuned to, and can even change the channel.

      I have no idea if they store this information or use it for profiling (be sure to read your contracts, terms of service, privacy policy, etc. - if they don't mention this at all, nothing prevents them from doing it), but it's one of the reasons I don't have digital cable.

    2. Re:Tracking viewing habits by jackb_guppy · · Score: 2

      It is there - since the digial set boxes have to call in for pay-per-view and some have to get the programming downloaded via the call - just like TiVo.

      Tell them to stuff the box, and hook-up the cable directly!

      I personally only watch TV with a Tin-Foil Hat. That why they can see what I thinking.

    3. Re:Tracking viewing habits by Tokerat · · Score: 2


      It wouldn't suprise me. However, I don't believe they can tell specifically who is wathcing what, just how many are watching. While not as valuable as demographic information, "How many people saw this" is still worth quite a lot.

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    4. Re:Tracking viewing habits by fenix+down · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...the support person can see what channel your cable box is tuned to, and can even change the channel. ...

      What cable company might that be? I have visions of an extremely short-term, but intensely fun-filled tech-support job.

      "Who Wants to Be a Millionare? Oh, no you don't Mrs. McDonald, the Flyers are playing!"

      "Young and the Restless? Looks like somebody's about to say something shocking... oops, finger slipped."

      "Oooh. You sure switched from that porn to the Home and Garden Channel pretty fast. Maybe we oughta just switch that back..."

      Wonder how long it'll take before they decide I'm a terrorist...

    5. Re:Tracking viewing habits by Zarquon · · Score: 2

      The main problem being able to tell if a) The TV is actually on, and b) If someone is in the room. If I leave CSPAN on the cable box, turn off the TV, and leave for christmas break, that does not mean I've been watching CSPAN for a week. Aside from that, I don't see much trouble.

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      "'Tis great confidence in a friend to tell him your faults, greater to tell him his." --Poor Richard's Almanac
    6. Re:Tracking viewing habits by mrPalomar · · Score: 1

      from what i've heard, they haven't explored this much because they can't tell when you are actually watching the TV and when you have it on, but are oh, say reading slashdot (or responding to a post). I think I heard not too long ago though that neilson (sp?) was using tivos to get information from the houses they had already chosen for ratings, but that's just in combination with other more intrusive stuff (like you have to hit a button whenever you start watching tv, etc.)

    7. Re:Tracking viewing habits by erpbridge · · Score: 2

      Some cable providers, like one in my area (Eastern Connecticut Cable), require an addressable cable box to watch channels above and beyond their basic package. Channels like SciFi and Discovery are in this "Expanded" package. They also require a cable box for the "Premium" channels, like Showtime, Starz, HBO.

      So you can't just plug your Tivo into their line and expect it to be able to watch those channels... you have to output the cable box to the Tivo which in turn outputs to TV, and use an IR blaster to change channels. If you go with a direct cable into Tivo, all channels except the basic ones (which is usually the local network feeds) show as scrambled.

      I use Sattelite feed, which, without a DirecTivo, requires a set-top box of it's own to get anything...

    8. Re:Tracking viewing habits by Amadodd · · Score: 1

      They do track everything you watch. They can and they will and there are no laws to stop them. The regular Sky subscription T & Cs even insists that you have the phoneline plugged in at all times, otherwise your special deal on the decoder is void. And I am sure that nothing stops them from sharing your habits with their 'affiliates'.

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      Freedom of speech doesn't come with bandwidth.
    9. Re:Tracking viewing habits by mosch · · Score: 2
      Tracking such as your describing already is implemented.

      All the advanced digital settops have the ability to "phone home" with viewer habits when installed on two-way cable systems, or installed with a telco return. Thus, unless you have one-way cable and you didn't hook up a phone line to your cable box, your viewing habits are probably being tracked.

      As far as anonymity goes, there isn't any. The boxes send their unique ids back to the headend along with the saved data, so the cable company can identify exactly who is watching what, when.

      Isn't digital technology great?

    10. Re:Tracking viewing habits by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2
      My cable co. does the tracking, and I deliberately confuse them as much as possible. Put on shopping channels etc (stuff I don't watch) when I'm not about, that kind of thing.

      It's a bit like the idea of swapping store loyalty cards with people. Mother of five suddenly starts buying microwave dinners and beer. It's my Bill Hicks driven, hatred of marketing types that does it!

    11. Re:Tracking viewing habits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, this is illegal, as I understand it. There are statutory measures in place that prevent cable companies from tracking your viewing habits, with the exception of PPV, and that only for billing reasons (I'm still trying to find the specific statute). I work for a cable ISP (one of the big ones), and that even could have ramifications in terms of spam filtering for us, as we are owned by the cable company. It could be argued that looking through customers email, even to find spam, is a violation of that statute, as we are providing the service over a cable television infrastructure, and the law applies to the nature of the company, not the particular service being provided. I'll try to dig up more details later.

    12. Re:Tracking viewing habits by kesuki · · Score: 2

      They use it for the little ad banners in the channel change pop-up, and for the ad bar in the menu guide.
      But as far as I know, they are NOT able to change your channel. They can change the channels you're allowed to view with a simple signal to the box, too.
      And to think, they expect people to pay $5 a month to rent a little box that serves up Ads and engages in targeted advertising.

  19. what's a pre-announcement? by rhodesbe · · Score: 5, Funny

    We wanted to announce that we are gonna say this at a later date. Oh wait! Crap!

    1. Re:what's a pre-announcement? by sam_handelman · · Score: 2

      A "pre-announcement" is marketspeak for a deliberate leak. i.e. the Tivo people have not yet given a press release/conference on the topic (officially announcing it) but they have chosen to leak it to the press in an unofficial capacity.

      Now - can anyone tell me how it is that they're still losing money with half a million *paying* customers? That's, like, serious cashflow.

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    2. Re:what's a pre-announcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Now - can anyone tell me how it is that they're still losing money with half a million *paying* customers?

      You're not even counting the fact that Tivo owns the patents for practically everything PVR-related that is patentable, and is licensing them to it's few competitors...

      Unless PVRs aren't nearly as popular as it would seem, I'm not sure how a company that controls so much of it's market (either directly or through patents) can still be losing money.

    3. Re:what's a pre-announcement? by Ananamas+Coughrad · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      NEW YORK (Reuters) - TiVo Inc. (TIVO.O) on Thursday said its television recording system will soon be able to play digital music and show pictures stored in personal computers.

      Really, linux can do that?

      Data stored in file formats such as MP3 and JPEG will appear on the television that is connected to the TiVo set-top box, company Chief Executive Michael Ramsey told investors at a Credit Suisse First Boston Conference.

      Kind of like on a computer monitor?

      The company will likely charge an additional fee for the premium service, which will be launched in January at the Consumer Electronics Association's CES conference in Las Vegas, he said.

      Loading jpegs is a "premium" service??

      "There's a whole set of packages that we are doing and the main theme is around broadband and home networking. It is our next big thing," Ramsey told Reuters after the presentation.

      How about dual tuners? Why do you keep dodging the fucking issue?

      TiVo, whose technology allows users to save hours of TV shows onto a hard drive in a set-top box and makes suggestions for other programming choices, derives most of its revenue from subscribers' fees and licensing agreements with manufacturers.

      Huh. Tivo sounds cool, whatever it is.

      The new initiatives, which include a way for users to program recording times away from home through a Web site, would provide the company with additional streams of revenue.

      Kind of like, if Peter Pan comes and takes me away to fight pirates, I will have an exciting and happy life.

      Ramsey also reiterated TiVo's forecast that its subscribers will double to 1 million in fiscal 2004, which begins in February.

      Reiterate away.

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    4. Re:what's a pre-announcement? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't use Slashdot as a measure of the popularity of Tivo. Go to your non-techie relatives and mention Tivo in conversation... I tried this and got a mixture of:

      'What's that?'
      'Isn't that the thing that forces videos things you didn't ask for?'
      'I've already got a VCR'

      Absolutely *nobody* had any interest in buying one.

      Even the salesmen know nothing about them - they have been witnessed pulling off the front panel trying to insert a VHS tape then telling the customer 'it must be broken I can't get the tape in'

      This is partly why Tivo pulled out of the UK - no market over there. In the US you can keep a company ticking over with just the scraps as it's a very large consumer base.

  20. klerck is da bomb! by News+For+Turds · · Score: -1

    Leave klerck alone! He is da bomb!

    Hmmm. Why am I arguing with myself over this?

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  21. Yes another fee by tivo by ad0gg · · Score: 1, Insightful

    First I gotta pay to use tivo , now they are gonna charge to view pictures and play mp3's(which are stored on MY HARDWARE), and worse they want to charge you to program your tivo via the web? And to add insult to injury, they spam my menu with ads and download ads to MY HARDWARE. Oh wait I forgot to mention their stuff is spyware and report what your watching to their servers. So how is this good?

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    1. Re:Yes another fee by tivo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen brother.

      If someone would like to create a DVR product that will get lots of sales, then read the previous comment.

      IMHO, TIVO and Sonic Blue are trudging along because they want to charge monthly fees and *most* of us do not feel like an electronic TV Guide is worth ~$15/mo (~$250 lifetime is also out of line). If they want to offer a web interface for programming/remote programming ... fine ... put a web server on the box and call it a day.

      Don't get me wrong I would buy one tomorrow for a $~300 one-time price. The sooner these companies burn to the ground, the faster we will get there.

    2. Re:Yes another fee by tivo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no idea do you.

      Just another slashdot troll posting on a subject s/he/it doesn't have a clue about

    3. Re:Yes another fee by tivo by RedX · · Score: 2

      Nobody is forcing you to pay for any of these "pre-announced" new features. Don't want to pay for them? Fine, don't add them to your service. It certainly won't be a requirement.

  22. What if I don't have a land line phone? by malarkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It doesn't look like they've allowed for updated Tivo over broadband yet. I dropped my land line for a cell phone and broadband (had the cellphone already anyway). Tivo looks great, but is un-usable.

    1. Re:What if I don't have a land line phone? by sk3tch · · Score: 3, Informative

      For your Tivo 1: http://www.9thtee.com/turbonet.htm

      And your Tivo 2 can simply use one of many compatible USB ethernet adapters (support built-in to the Tivo "OS" albeit "unofficially").

    2. Re:What if I don't have a land line phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've been able to do this since May:
      http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthr ead.ph p?s=9111a69b5205eb7229f72d01ade197b3&threadid=5876 0

    3. Re:What if I don't have a land line phone? by tswinzig · · Score: 5, Informative

      It doesn't look like they've allowed for updated Tivo over broadband yet. I dropped my land line for a cell phone and broadband (had the cellphone already anyway). Tivo looks great, but is un-usable.

      This is like the 5th highly rated comment in this article that is just plain wrong.

      If you have a standalone TiVo (series 1), you can buy cards that fit in your TiVo and give you an ethernet port. Or you can buy the AirTivo device, and have WiFi connection instead!

      If you have a standalone Series 2 TiVo, you can buy a USB device that plugs into the port and gives you an ethernet port. You could also buy a wireless AP and connect it to this port to give you wireless connectivity as well.

      In either case, if you bought compatible hardware, you simply punch in a special code instead of a dialup phone number into the TiVo menu, and your TiVo will use your existing LAN connection to the net to download all its data each night. No software hacking required.

      The TiVo forums refer to this as "broadband un-support," because while it works great in the TiVo, it is not yet officially supported.

      I've used it for well over a year now, back when you used to have to muck with the software to get it to work.

      Visit 9thtee for the necessary addons.

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    4. Re:What if I don't have a land line phone? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think the Trolls have taken to Tivo articles because people seem to take the bait really easily. There are TONS of trolls out on here today, perhaps because Tivo enthusiasts try to be so helpful?

      I've always wanted a -1 Wrong moderation, or even -1 Stupid. Some of these posts just don't fit in the normal moderation categories (besides perhaps "Overrated" which is so vague as to be completely useless. I've never used an Overrated because it just doesn't provide any sort of useful feedback to the poster.

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    5. Re:What if I don't have a land line phone? by malarkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thanks for the info. I hate to be thought of as a troll. When you go to Tivo's site and check the FAQ, below is what you see.

      Maybe I should have said broadband is not _supported_, rather than allowed for.

      For Joe consumer, having to purchase and install unsupported equipment does not sell Tivo's.

      From the FAQ on Tivo.com

      Is a Phone Line Required?

      Yes. A TiVo Digital Video Recorder works by automatically making a brief, daily call to download the latest TV program data to its hard drive so that you can take full advantage of your TiVo service subscription (learn more about TiVo service). This call is automated, lasts just a few minutes and occurs when your phone is not in use, usually at night. You do not need to install a new telephone jack; it works with your existing phone line. The TiVo service is accessed through a standard telephone line and is available as a local call in most areas. In some areas, local and long- distance toll charges may apply.

      If you want to make sure that a local access number is available in your area, you can find the most up-to-date list of dial-in numbers using the UUNet POP Locator*. Simply enter your area code and all of the local numbers available for your area code will be displayed.

      You are responsible for any toll charges that you incur when using a particular access number. Check with an operator if you are not sure which numbers are local to you.

      Your phone will always be available for your use. Simply pick the phone up and the DVR will hang up and make a call later. A phone line splitter and a 25-foot phone cord are provided with the purchase of a TiVo DVR. The UUNet Pop Number Locator tool is 24-48 hours ahead of the TiVo listings so all numbers appearing within the tool may not show in the TiVo interface immediately.

  23. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  24. More TiVo hacking links by shird · · Score: 4, Informative

    Andrew Tridgell's notes on hacking the TiVo, including his various hacks for the device. Also, TiVo hacking FAQ may be of interest.

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    1. Re:More TiVo hacking links by glitchvern · · Score: 1
      From the notes on converting the TiVo to use PAL signals
      As docs on some of the video chips in the TiVo were not available a primary technique used was to do random register operations until the desired result was achieved.

      Damn, those samba guys are badasses!!
    2. Re:More TiVo hacking links by Mulletproof · · Score: 2

      From the Linked FAQ...

      Can I hack my TiVo so I don't need a TiVo subscription?

      NO NO NO. This is something that will NOT be explored. TiVo has been very gracious in not coming down on all this hacking described in this FAQ and we will do nothing to harm that. Nothing will be looked at to get around the subscription service so don't ask! Regardless your TiVo will function as a VCR already with manual record mode.

      Awww... What thoughtful and caring "hackers" these people are! it fills my heart with warm gooey liquid joy to know that they teach you how to modify for some personal, quasi-legal gains, but not others.

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    3. Re:More TiVo hacking links by Keith+Russell · · Score: 4, Insightful
      ...they teach you how to modify for some personal, quasi-legal gains, but not others.

      It's a simple distinction, really. Subscriptions are a source of revenue for TiVo.

      Compare this to hard drive expansion mods, for example. If an OEM offered a unit with an expansion bay for a pre-blessed hard drive, such hacks would be frowned upon. (Of course, we wouldn't need that hack anymore.) But that's not the case. AFAIK, nobody is selling different capacities for the same model. The marginal cost of producing two models with different sized hard drives is greater than the cost of a single model. It's cheaper for OEMs to find the price-capacity sweet spot.

      The Average Joe isn't concerned with expanding his TiVo's capacity. And if he does get interested, he'll see that the process is more "bike without instructions on Christmas Eve" than "plug it into the wall and turn it on". It's the Power User who wants more capacity. He's savvy enough to know that expanding a single box is the best option. Sure, the accountants would like you to buy a second box. Connecting and managing another unit, however, is sub-optimal compared to hacking a single unit by stuffing in two Drivezillas. It's not a lost sale, since anyone skilled enough to expand their TiVo successfully is smart enough to not buy two TiVos in the first place. Hopefully, they're also smart enough to not put two rattlesnake-loud 7200 rpm drives in a case designed for a single, quiet 5400 rpm drive without providing more airflow and sound baffling. :-)

      Thus, we have the current Gentlemen's Agreement: Circumventing the subscription service hurts TiVo and, by extension, TiVo's user base, and is therefore taboo. As long as the hack doesn't impact the bottom line, however, TiVo won't try to stop it.

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    4. Re:More TiVo hacking links by oodie · · Score: 1

      Tivo is certainly losing some revenue on the fact that people are able to easily add harddrives. Which does tivo make more on? A 80 hour unit for $399, or a 40 hour unit for $199? I'm sure plenty of people bought the 40 hour unit over the 80 hour one only because they knew that a $100 harddrive would give them over 120 hours.

  25. Tivo 1 Owners already have a FREE web interface... by sk3tch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    http://tivo.lightn.org/

    No add'l streams of revenue off us Tivo 1-model hackers. Heh heh heh. :)

    Yeah...we can't view photos (boo hoo) and listen to MP3s (Apex DVD player anyone?) but we can extract shows, FTP, telnet, etc. into our Tivos...

    Wonder if Tivo will now be disabling this "ability" with a new round of hacker "thwarts"?

  26. Story != Tivo 2 by aardwolf64 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The second generation TiVo has been around for quite some time (months even), and it does not have broadband support. Unless they'll be selling hardware upgrades (which is doubtful considering the warranty situation), you'll probably have to get a third generation TiVo.

    Of course, that's not to stop you from getting the Turbonet Ethernet Adapter Board for your TiVo from The 9th Tee.

    1. Re:Story != Tivo 2 by sk3tch · · Score: 1

      Wrong!
      Get a USB ethernet adapter...there are quite a few models that are "unofficially" supported by TiVo's "OS".

      Right on the same site you linked too...lol:
      http://www.9thtee.com/tivousbethernet.htm

    2. Re:Story != Tivo 2 by aardwolf64 · · Score: 2

      That's nice... I wonder if the drivers support the 1st generation TiVos (since that's what I have.) I actually bought a mounting kit, and "upgraded" my 30-hour Sony TiVo to a 90-hour one.

    3. Re:Story != Tivo 2 by tswinzig · · Score: 5, Informative

      The second generation TiVo has been around for quite some time (months even), and it does not have broadband support. Unless they'll be selling hardware upgrades (which is doubtful considering the warranty situation), you'll probably have to get a third generation TiVo.

      Wrong. TiVo 2 comes with USB ports. These are meant for addons. There are plenty of USB-Ethernet solutions available. In fact, TiVo 2 comes with (albeit somewhat hidden) support for these devices already. You can change your telephone dialup # to a special code, and TiVo will use the USB/Ethernet connection to download program guide data and system updates (and to update the clock).

      Presumably these new addons would utilize this broadband over USB technology.

      Of course, that's not to stop you from getting the Turbonet Ethernet Adapter Board [9thtee.com] for your TiVo from The 9th Tee [9thtee.com].

      It's amazing that you linked to 9th tee's turbonet product, and yet completely missed the USB/Ethernet stuff I was just talking about for TiVo 2's.

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    4. Re:Story != Tivo 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can you be aware of the TurboNet card and not see the USB ETHERNET link?

      I guess it's true. You can lead an ass to water but you can't make him think.

  27. Cock Enlargement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I have, I suppose, like all men, wondered what it would be like to have a larger cock. I have, once again, like a lot of people seen the 'freaks' in porno movies who have horse like dicks and thought to myself - 'That can't be normal, most people aren't like that surely.'

    But in the back of your mind, you always wonder. Now let me say from the outset that I have nothing in my pants to brag about and although through the years I seem to have been able to satisfy most of the women I have been with, there has never been more than one or two who have, afterwards, made favourable comments either about my length, girth, performance or stamina although they have commented favourably about the over all performance. Perhaps they were just being kind not saying much at all.

    Yes, I could say it is because they were so fucking exhausted, they couldn't say anything, but of course that would be lying. I suppose though, if I think back amongst all the women I have had sex with, similarly, there have only been a few that I have thought to be outstanding for one particular reason or another and with them, I have made that very obvious.

    I don't think any of them have had particularly small cunts - all the more reason for doubting myself. There has, however, been a couple that have had particularly well-developed cunt muscles and that has made all the difference for both of us. Once again, I now wonder why that was necessary.

    There was another whose cunt inner walls were very ribbed and that was sensational. The only trouble with that was that those ribs were made to make you come and come I did. Luckily she was in the days when I was young enough to recover quickly and start all over again and again.

    There was another who much preferred me up her arse mind you she had a huge cunt. Her husband once told me "It was like chucking a bit of string in a Cathedral."

    There was another who had bushes of body hair everywhere she could cover up. That I found to be magnificent; I couldn't get enough of her.

    I suppose that brings me inevitably on to the issue of size and my size in particular. Well here goes. As I have, for as many years as I can remember, been aware of my size and the issue of whether or not I was big enough, I can tell you that I always seem to have been around 7.5 - 8inches long with 4.5 - 5 inches in girth (that girth measurement is not around the head of my dick because I know that is bigger by about another half inch or so and therefore does not give the true measurement over all).

    I therefore thought it was about time to go in search of facts and figures of prick sizes and on methods of improving what I have. With the web now so available to us all and virtually anything you want to research on there, I found no trouble in coming up with many different solutions to my 'problem'.

    However, a new problem then developed. Did I want to spend a lot of money on contraptions for the outside of my body and tablets and potions for the inside of my body that might not work anyway? Many years ago, I had had one of those suction pumps that were great fun and made your dick look VERY impressive for as long as you had it on, but as soon as it came off, you were back to square one.

    I really did give that one a go for a long time simply because I could see the result I wanted to achieve when it was in operation, but try as I might, it just didn't work for me. One of my friends who I confided in (after a particularly fine foursome where it was difficult for everyone not to be exposed to everyone else) suggested pills.

    After some thought, I really couldn't understand how any pill would be able to aim just for your prick and enlarge that, surely there were other similar muscles in your body. And in any case all the pills were 'natural' or 'herbal' and easily available without prescription and that made me sceptical as well.

    But then I came across a couple of exercise programmes on the web that were not going to cost me anything and could easily be done in a few minutes of privacy. I won't tell you the names of the sites I got these off otherwise you are going to think this is some kind of advert and not fact at all. However, if anyone wants to contact me, they can and I will give the name of the site to you then.

    I started about three months ago and it seems to be having an effect. You can't just do the exercises on their own, you also need to strengthen up the muscle between your balls and your arse for the greatest effect - I will go in to that later.

    Each day, I do a warm up whereby I take a shower and whilst still in there, I lather up the old tool and put my thumb and forefinger in an 'O' around the base and pull away from me. I found it best to have my hand the way round that kept the rest of my fingers furthest away from my body when I pulled.

    I didn't pull my dick straight out from my body, it always felt most effective when I pulled it almost straight down. I would take each pull slowly so it took me about five seconds to pull down from the base to the head.

    I, of course, have always found this to be quite stimulating and would become semi erect by the twentieth to thirtieth pull. Unfortunately, I have never been able to determine if this will slow down the effect I am having on my size or not, perhaps someone could let me know.

    After I have done it with one hand about fifty times (always lathering him up frequently as I go) I change hands and pull it down the other way. I am not suggesting that you should pull it slowly down to one side and then the other, I always try to pull it straight down as I have never had any kind of bend on mine.

    I suppose that if yours has got a bend in it and you don't like that, (heaven knows why, I have always thought that looked great on blokes, but there again, I don't know if it effects the way you can fuck) you could always slowly pull your dick in the opposite direction to the bend and see if that helps.

    Once you have done about fifty pulls with both hands, you need to then gently play with your dick, (not a bad thing) whilst still in the shower to kind of let it get over what you have just done to it.

    Just a couple of words of warning, if you are going to give it a try but have had in the past or can get hold of any professional advice now that suggests that, for what ever reason you shouldn't try it, then don't, it just might not be for you. But if you feel confident that it is safe for you and you would like to give it a try, build up to the exercise, don't go mad and do too much straight away.

    I must admit, I did it too hard, for too long to begin with and it damn well hurt. My prick went a bruised colour and I felt sure I had done some kind of permanent damage. Luckily I hadn't, but it taught me a very good lesson. I started the second time with just ten pulls with one hand and then the next day, ten pulls with the other.

    Soon, I was up to ten pulls per day with both hands and gradually, I have tightened my grip to pull harder as the weeks have gone by, also increasing the number of pulls.

    Obviously, this is what works for me and everyone is different. If your prick is used to a lot of battering then you should be able to start stronger that if it isn't, but take it easy and take it steady.

    I have now been able to graduate to being able to do it anywhere at anytime I have privacy, I no longer need some kind of lubricant, but my first pull of the day is always in the shower, with the warmth and with the soap, that kind of warms me up for the day. It doesn't take long to whip the old trousers down, say when you go for a pee, instead of standing at a stall, go into a cubicle and you can do a quick pull as well.

    The other main thing to watch out for is where you are pushing the blood that is already in your prick as you begin each pull down from the base. Obviously, as your grip gets tighter and you pull down harder, you are going to trap the blood and try forcing it out the end - ouch!!!

    For those of you like me who have a foreskin, you will find that it tends to have a semi permanent redness about it as though it is sore and to a certain extent it is. For those cut guys, I don't know what to say because I don't know any cut guys who are doing the same exercises.

    What I have tended to start doing as the girth has improved is to continue with the downward pulls, with an ever increasing grip, but not go to the knob end. I now usually stop half way down, pull my foreskin back and then continue with the pull. I only ever go as far as the head. I have never continued my pull over it.

    My pulling sessions now normally finish with an extended pull for the final time. That is to say, when I decide I have had enough and things are starting to get a bit tender (which they can if you don't always use lube), the last gripped pull reached the head and I stay there, still pulling for say another ten or fifteen seconds and then slowly let go.

    My relaxation period (when I am not at home) always tends to be taking hold of him and gently squeezing him a dozen or so times until things feel back to normal (don't forget, this can be quite exciting and when you leave the loo, you don't want to be walking around the office with a damn great lob on, do you - or do you?).

    What effect has all this had? Well, I think it has changed me in several ways, both physically and mentally. First of all, the one you have all been waiting for, what has it done to my dong?

    Well when you consider that all these 'enlargement' sites tell you that although you will see change in a few weeks, for the best effect, you must keep doing it for at least a year. I can report that there is not much change in length - you remember I used to be 7.5 - 8 inches (could I really claim 8, well sometimes, just perhaps, maybe if I was quick enough with the ruler) well now, on many occasions there is definitely eight, perhaps a tad more, or is that just my imagination?

    But it is the girth where there has been significant change - you remember it was 4.5 - 5, well now I can truly claim an increase to 6 inches at least and you can really feel the difference. When it is flaccid, it used to be about 3 - 3.5 inches, now it is 4 - 4.5 inches dependent on the temperature, you men will know what I mean by that.

    And it seems to have been noticed as well (and this is where the mental effect comes in), because the girth has changes size, so has the head, although I have not measured the head yet when fully erect, taking into consideration the increased girth measurement, I would say that it is now in the region of 6.5+ inches, and that shows!!!

    When I now have sex, there is a lot more squirming takes place by my partner when we are trying to get me up inside her. She can definitely feel that something is very different and when I am fully up inside of her, she shakes gently, holds me perfectly still as far up inside her as she can get me and squeezes him a lot more with her cunt wall muscles.

    When she finally lets him go so that we can start moving, she now loves the feeling of the rim of the head of my dick scraping along the inside walls of her fanny. She also seems to be a lot noisier when she cums.

    Now the other thing I thought I better mention is that muscle just behind your balls - I can't remember what it is called but I think it was once referred to as the PA muscle, but there again, it doesn't really matter what it is called as long as you exercise the right one.

    All the sites I have found say you must exercise this along with the other pulling exercises and the way to do this is by clenching your arse cheeks together time after time after time. The way I checked which one it was, was to wait until I went for a pee and stopped myself from peeing once I was in full flow. Now the one you can feel yourself clenching is the one you have to exercise.

    The sites also say that you can do this at anytime and in any position, laying down, standing up or sitting down. When I went for a pee and stopped myself, the muscle I felt was directly between my balls and my arse but when I started exercising, in certain positions it felt as though I was exercising a completely different muscle up inside my arse.

    I don't know if this is the same muscle or not, but to be sure, I feel far more confident exercising when I am sitting down, particularly upright say when in the office or driving. And you really can do it anytime, anywhere no one will ever know what you are doing.

    I can't recall any of the sites actually explaining why it is necessary to excise this thing but I have gathered from the way the sites are written that it will help us with our self control and the stiffness of our cock when erect - so exercise I do.

    They also suggest that you need to build up to where you are clenching it hundreds of times a day in batches of say fifty at a time. This may sound a lot, but it really isn't IF YOU CAN REMEMBER TO DO IT. It is so easy to forget, but I have now got myself into a frame of mind where it just cums to me second nature now and I almost don't have to think about it, I just find myself doing it.

    I do it slowly now but I started where I didn't hold the clench for very long because I found that if I did, it didn't take many clenches before it started to hurt as though I had strained it. Now, fifty takes me about ten minutes, that's all, and if I want to, I can start another fifty straightaway.

    Obviously, I don't count them, otherwise I would never be able to concentrate on what anyone around me was saying or what other traffic was doing, I just know how long I have been doing it for each time, but I can really feel the difference in the size of the muscle, now all I have to do is learn how to use that better muscle to my advantage. Once again, if anyone could help me out on that one, I would be most grateful.

    All these 'enlargement' plans claim -

    Permanent penis enlargement - well, we will see, so far, so good

    Experience multiple orgasms - can't say that one has worked on me yet

    Curvature straightening - never had a curve

    Increased sexual stamina - I can certainly last a lot longer now, maybe too long, you have to be careful here.

    Cures and prevents impotence - cleaver one this, I suppose they can always turn round and say you might have suffered if you hadn't exercised.

    Bigger penis head - definitely and it's great.

    Rock hard erections - haven't needed too much here although I would say there is certainly an improvement.

    Increased levels of semen - hard for me to judge because I love to cum so frequently, but that's another story, however, the girlfriend did go away recently for a couple of days and I was able to leave myself alone (except for exercising) for that time, when she got back and I whipped her straight off to bed, I nearly drowned her.

    More confidence and better sex - definitely, when you can't sit down with your legs together or you are always having to make yourself comfortable down there, you know you are doing SOMETHING right and that transfers over to when you get her into bed. And it's great when you can sense that she feels the difference, you almost want to smile. With the increased flaccid state, you feel far more confident getting caught around the house. But the best bit is when you are on top of her and in a press-up position so that she can look down you and she sees what is about to hammer her and she makes that quiet little noise in the back of her throat and can't wait to get her hands around it and guide it into her slowly so that you don't hurt her -That's fucking brilliant.

    Anyway, that's how if has worked and is still working for me. If you feel it can benefit you, why not give it a go. If you have tried something else and it has worked, why not share it with the rest of us so that we can all benefit.

    Until someone cums up with a better solution on how to get your hands on your own member and make big improvements to its size - all free of charge, I am just going to keep pulling away and clenching with my exercises and see what I can achieve. I hope for some improvement to the length, more than I have achieved so far, and a continued improvement to the girth and head - I will measure it sometime for you if anyone is interested.

    Please let me know what free improvements you have been able to make to your own meat and how you have been able to make them. Please don't exaggerate, hopefully you can see that I have tried to be as factual as possible with no exaggerations as at the end of the day, we are only trying to make ourselves act and feel better in life and that can't be a bad thing.

    I really hope this helps some of you guys out there who have felt like I have in the past.

    Good exercising and good luck.

    1. Re:Cock Enlargement by cyril3 · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      There is a theory that erections in big dicks drain blood from the brain and so reduces the erectees mental capacity. The effect may be cumulative.

      Your post is certainly pesuasive though I am still strongly attracted the theory that you were born an idiot and will always be one.

    2. Re:Cock Enlargement by painehope · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Ah, yes, little grasshopper, but that is why you must whack on, whack off...

      giggles while karma burns...

      --
      PC moderators can suck my White pierced, tattooed dick. If you think pride == hate, s/dick/Aryan meat mallet/g.
  28. photos and music? by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 2

    TiVo already has full motion video. i thought the trend went: text -> pictures and music -> video.

    1. Re:photos and music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very cool sig.

    2. Re:photos and music? by cheezitmike · · Score: 1

      Shhhh... you're giving away the secret plans for TiVo series 4: the ability to save text files!

    3. Re:photos and music? by fenix+down · · Score: 1

      Actually, that might be pretty good. Save closed captioning or subtitles or something. You could record the captions and send them to your computer for an instant transcript. Wouldn't have to type out all your little Simpson's quotes anymore.

  29. NiGgEr NIGGER nIgGeR NIGGER NiGgEr NIGGER nIgGeR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
  30. Pre-announcing the pre-boarding by sjbe · · Score: 2

    I've been puzzling over how you can "pre-board" an airplane. Board before you board?

    Of course they use the term "de-plane-ing" (not even sure how you would spell that) to mean disembarking from the plane so who knows what they're thinking...

    (And for you logic nazi's, I do get it. I just think it's stupid)

    1. Re:Pre-announcing the pre-boarding by alias · · Score: 2, Funny

      I believe you were attempting George Carlin's joke, but you're missing that well articulated, and enlightening comment, such as "pre-suck my genital situation!" that Carlin brings to any discussion:

      "Anyway, it's part of this boarding process, they say, "We would like to pre-board." Well, what exactly is that anyway? What does it mean to pre-board? To get on before you get on?

      That's another complaint of mine. Too much use of this prefix "pre". It's all over the language now. Pre-this, pre-that. "Place the turkey in a pre-heated oven." It's ridiculous. There are only two states an oven can possibly exist in: heated or unheated. Pre-heated is a meaningless, fucking term.

      It's like pre-recorded. "This program was pre-recorded." Well, of course it was pre-recorded. When else are you gonna record it, afterwards? That's the whole purpose of recording, to do it beforehand. Otherwise it doesn't really work, does it!

      Pre-existing, pre-planning, pre-screening. You know what I tell these people? Pre-suck my genital situation! And they seem to understand what I'm talking about. "



      -Alias

    2. Re:Pre-announcing the pre-boarding by Per+Wigren · · Score: 0, Troll

      When else are you gonna record it, afterwards? That's the whole purpose of recording, to do it beforehand. Otherwise it doesn't really work, does it!

      I don't know about you, but I record my programs while they are running, not beforehand... ;)

      --
      My other account has a 3-digit UID.
    3. Re:Pre-announcing the pre-boarding by Mr+Guy · · Score: 2

      No you don't, you rerecord a prerecorded broadcast.

      Unless, of course, you are in the habit of going to a studio with a mini-cam?

  31. Tracking what you watch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I WANT them to track my viewing habits. It's like voting for your favorite show. And if they want TiVo to record show that follow my habits, more power to them. Anything to reduce the "Friends" ratio can't be bad.

    And for watching TV on my PC, I think I'd much rather sit in my Lazy Boy, with my feet up, looking at a 35" screen and not having the sound drowned out by CPU fans.

    1. Re:Tracking what you watch. by Com2Kid · · Score: 1
      • And for watching TV on my PC, I think I'd much rather sit in my Lazy Boy, with my feet up, looking at a 35" screen and not having the sound drowned out by CPU fans.


      Monitor is 36", couch, and I like the sound of CASE fans. (CPU fan, singular, unless you have one of those massive gladiator coolers, but who in the world still uses those?)
    2. Re:Tracking what you watch. by LiquidAsphalt · · Score: 1
      Maybe if they can start monitoring how many times I play something back as well and monitor what I record family guy still might be on TV.

      I WANT FAMILY GUY!!!

    3. Re:Tracking what you watch. by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      TiVo tracks every button press from the remote.

      So, yes, they do know how many times you play something back. At least, in aggregate.

      Unfortunately for you, everyone else appears to have put 3 thumbs down on Family Guy.

    4. Re:Tracking what you watch. by LiquidAsphalt · · Score: 1

      Well I had tivo when I lived in my fraternity in college. I saved every Family guy episode and people would probably walk in and watch one like 3 or 4 times a day. I can't say how many times I have seen the same episodes but they never fail to make me laugh. Give me family guy or give me death, okay I didn't mean that. Just give me family guy.

  32. mp3s AND digital photos? WOW! by USC-MBA · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Sarcasm aside, it has to be said that there are better uses for a television, especially the home-theater setups many Tivo users prefer, than as a slideshow screen or jukebox.

    I refer of course to using the television as a medium for viewing video clips saved in formats such as wmv, mpeg, divx, avi, etc. If users could transfer porn^H^H^H^H educational videos and the like directly to the Tivo box from their computers, it would be a great increase in convenience, and might just be the app that secures in the customer bade Tivo needs.

  33. Tivo 2 Business Plan? by The+Jonas · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    1. Create Tivo 2.
    2. Hint at charging for premium services.
    3. Postpone further announcements/roll-out until after shopping/holiday season.
    4. ???
    5. Profit???

    No Thanks.

    1. Re:Tivo 2 Business Plan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That joke was funny 2 years and 2 billion tellings ago, but it isn't funny now you stupid fuck. Shut up and die you peice of shit mother fucker.

    2. Re:Tivo 2 Business Plan? by fenix+down · · Score: 0

      Goddamn gnomes got your underpants too, huh?

  34. Love my Tivo... BUT... by no_such_user · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been a Tivo subscriber for 2.5 years now, and while I love my Tivo (Series 1, 90+ hours), $13 a month is starting to get old. I don't understand who would be willing to spend yet more to play music and view pictures.

    Really, there are too many things competing for a consumer's monthy share of the paycheck. There's cable/satellite. Cell phone. Bill payment service. Bank fees. The ISP. Tivo. Gym membership. Subscriptions to various web sites. And it's been said that the world's favorite operating system and supporting programs will be billed monthly in the not-too-distant future. With an economy in not-top-shape (here in the US, anyway) and the unemployment rate rising, who can afford to pay for all these monthly services?

    As for increasing my $13/month to Tivo for new services... I'd consider a one-time charge to add software to it, similar to when I install an application onto my PC. But not a monthly billed increase.

    1. Re:Love my Tivo... BUT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had been smart enough to go with the lifetime service charge(of the box)you would have been in the clear long ago.

      Duh.

    2. Re:Love my Tivo... BUT... by ICA · · Score: 1

      Excellent point, I have been trying to point this out to people for some time now. Everything is going to the subscription model now, and most people aren't smart enough to realize what is happening.

      To most people who are not mindful of their budget, a monthly bill of $15 or so here or there is nothing. They fail to take into account what happens when they have 10 or more of those.

      If you offered the same 10 services in a package for $150 a month, they wouldn't even consider it.

      Personally, I don't have Cable TV or phone line anymore, and I won't use a bank or ATM with fees.

      That leaves me with the utility/DSL/gym which I can manage.

    3. Re:Love my Tivo... BUT... by captaincucumber · · Score: 1

      Preach it, brother.

      Another point is that if you tried to tell people you were going to charge them $600/year for cable they'd go crazy. And yet, cable here costs $50/month. I think people just don't do the math. $600/year and mostly all I watch is NBC, FOX, and UPN, all of which are free with a $20 antenna.

      Fuck cable.

    4. Re:Love my Tivo... BUT... by tswinzig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've been a Tivo subscriber for 2.5 years now, and while I love my Tivo (Series 1, 90+ hours), $13 a month is starting to get old.

      FWIW, if you had bought the lifetime service, you would have already saved over $100 in monthly fees, and pay nothing else going forward.

      Really, there are too many things competing for a consumer's monthy share of the paycheck.

      Competing, yes. The nature of capitalism. TiVo will find out if this idea works, and adjust it (or fail) if not.

      And it's been said that the world's favorite operating system and supporting programs will be billed monthly in the not-too-distant future.

      The idea being that you would pay less for it up-front, with a running monthly fee for the ability to use the latest version. Not that you would continue to pay $300 for Office, and a monthly service fee ON TOP of that.

      With an economy in not-top-shape (here in the US, anyway) and the unemployment rate rising, who can afford to pay for all these monthly services?

      The rich can afford to pay for ALL these monthly services. But you and I will have to pick and choose which monthly services we want. TiVo will be vying for your dollars along with everyone else.

      As for increasing my $13/month to Tivo for new services... I'd consider a one-time charge to add software to it, similar to when I install an application onto my PC. But not a monthly billed increase.

      Strange that you say that, when your past actions don't indicate that you really feel that way. You could have purchased the lifetime service from TiVo, and saved money already. Yet you pay the monthly fee.

      --

      "And like that ... he's gone."
    5. Re:Love my Tivo... BUT... by no_such_user · · Score: 2

      As for increasing my $13/month to Tivo for new services... I'd consider a one-time charge to add software to it, similar to when I install an application onto my PC. But not a monthly billed increase.


      Strange that you say that, when your past actions don't indicate that you really feel that way. You could have purchased the lifetime service from TiVo, and saved money already. Yet you pay the monthly fee.



      Strange? That's not how I see it. Two and a half years ago, nobody knew if this Tivo thing would work out.

      Anyway, I feel that paying a monthly fee for updated TV listings and system software is worth more to me than paying monthly to access my own photos and music. Once Tivo stops deploying new software for my 1st gen unit, the current $13 fee will be less justified (and I will seek out another, perhaps competing, PVR).

      At this point, I'm not about to go for the lifetime subscription. There's a growing chance my aging Tivo will bite it sooner rather than later... or that someone else will come along with something better.
    6. Re:Love my Tivo... BUT... by uradu · · Score: 2

      > FWIW, if you had bought the lifetime service, you would have already saved over $100 in monthly fees

      Whey I bought my Series 1 SA, they were going for $399. Given the hard time I had convincing the wife that we really needed this, there's no way I would have gotten away with spending another $200 on top of that. And if you claim $600 for yet another TVA appendage is nothing, you're either not married or not in my (and most people's here) social bracket, so we have little to discuss either way.

    7. Re:Love my Tivo... BUT... by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      Hrm... well when my GF (now wife) moved in I had a TiVo. She didn't know what it was, and thought it was just a toy.

      About a month later we went out and bought a second one, with lifetime service.

      And no, I doubt I'm in a different social bracket than you. But I do know when it makes sense to do a capital outlay upfront.

    8. Re:Love my Tivo... BUT... by uradu · · Score: 2

      > She didn't know what it was, and thought it was just a toy.
      > About a month later we went out and bought a second one, with lifetime service.

      It's funny how wifes are that way. My wife now curses anytime she has to watch TV without TiVo (like downstairs or away from home), and yet I had to twist her arm to get it. But that doesn't change the fact that there are spending thresholds beyond which it doesn't matter how nice the product is, you simply won't spend that much. Granted, the TiVo has come down in price now ($200 for the 40 hour units), but now it's a matter of spending more on the lifetime service than the device itself, which triggers new objections.

    9. Re:Love my Tivo... BUT... by mosch · · Score: 2
      You're a troll, a liar, or both.

      2.5 years ago the service fee was $10/mo, not $13/mo.

      You claim you prefer one-time charges, but you didn't pay for lifetime service (which was only $100 2.5 years ago).

    10. Re:Love my Tivo... BUT... by mosch · · Score: 2
      What "social bracket" are you in, the very, very shortsighted one?

      You don't need to be particularly smart to realize that a $200 outlay that pays for itself in a year and a half is a pretty decent return on investment, and is a good idea.

    11. Re:Love my Tivo... BUT... by Zathrus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, show her that it's a recoverable expense -- if you wanted to upgrade to a newer TiVo in the future then you can sell the old one on eBay and get the entire cost of the lifetime service back. You can't do that for monthly fees.

      Oh, and if you (or anyone else) does go looking to buy a TiVo - check out the returns at local stores. We bought my wife's that way and saved about $50.

    12. Re:Love my Tivo... BUT... by uradu · · Score: 2

      > Oh, and if you (or anyone else) does go looking to buy a TiVo

      Actually, I'm considering selling mine and getting two ReplaysTVs instead. The LAN streaming between the units sold me on them. Plus, I never use TiVo's main claim to fame anyway, the thumbs and suggested viewing. I'm very particular about what I want to watch.

    13. Re:Love my Tivo... BUT... by Issue9mm · · Score: 1

      I think that what the parent was trying to point out though, is that it's likely that they will survive at least long enough for you to recoup your investment. If the monthly service charge is $13, then you only need Tivo to last 19 months (give or take) to have recouped your investment, and arguably, everything after that is free.

      Had you already paid for the lifetime subscription, with your two and a half year commitment, you'd already be free, and have paid $143 less dollars than you already have, and not be having to pay $13 next month either.

      Don't get me wrong... it's your money, you do with it what you like... but had you gone lifetime out of the gate (and I completely understand why you didn't), then you'd be saving money now.

      -9mm-

  35. Just waiting for the next FP opportunity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Frist poste nexte!!!!!!!!!

  36. Uhh... by Grip3n · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Users will be able to play MP3s and view photos that come from their computer

    I don't know about you, but my computer can already play MP3's and view photos. Why pay $250 to do that again?

    --
    To make a pun demonstrates the highest understanding of a language
    1. Re:Uhh... by tswinzig · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know about you, but my computer can already play MP3's and view photos. Why pay $250 to do that again?

      Sigh. What is with these lame, ignorant posts getting modded up tonight?

      1. Can your computer play MP3's on your stereo in the living room, which just happens to be hooked up to your TiVo?

      2. Can your computer display photos on your big TV in the living room for the entire family to see?

      If you answered No to either question, you just may be in their target market. Golly.

      --

      "And like that ... he's gone."
    2. Re:Uhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Yes
      2. Yes.

      Wow. That sure was hard. >$200!

    3. Re:Uhh... by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      1. Yes
      2. Yes.

      Wow. That sure was hard. >$200!


      I didn't say both answers would be No. I said IF either answer is no, THEN you MAY be in their target market.

      The person I was replying to was implying these addons served no useful purpose. There are plenty of devices out there that will, for $250 or more, give you a nice interface to play MP3's on your stereo, with or without your home computer as the intermediary.

      Now TiVo is coming out with one of these devices as well, and it will also support displaying photos, and it will have the advantage of integration with the already-slick user interface of TiVo.

      So shut your pie-hole.

      --

      "And like that ... he's gone."
    4. Re:Uhh... by troc · · Score: 1

      Erm, in my case Yes and erm , Yes :)

      But then I have a server in a cupboard together with my TiVo, sat-box, vcr, dvd, amp etc etc, all linked by a lively network of slightly confused cables (not doubt all alike). In the lounge I have a TV, 5 speakers and a sub and a small army or remotes (apparently one of them is an all-in-one learning remote but they won't tell me which) and a remote externder into the cupboard.

      Oh yeah, the server has an lcd in the kitchen. And wi-fi etc etc

      The point being that this whoie I can do this, I can do that, Your whatever setup sucks is generally a pile of poo as all it takes is a little bit of thought (and a 20m scart cable) and everything will talk to everything.

      So I can watch a dvd in the lounge from the dvd player, I can watch a dvd (or other video format) in the lounge or the kicten from the server. I can listen to mp3s all over the place, I can move files on and off my tivo if I really want to. I can admin the tivo from anywhere I find a net connection. I can watch tivo wherever etc.

      I've forgotten my point. Damn.

      Troc

      --
      Troc's dubious podcast and blog: http://www.trocnet.net
    5. Re:Uhh... by charlie763 · · Score: 2

      1. Can your computer play MP3's on your stereo in the living room, which just happens to be hooked up to your TiVo?

      Yes. I use a Y-splitter to send the audio output of my computer to my computer speakers as well as my stereo.

      2. Can your computer display photos on your big TV in the living room for the entire family to see?

      Yes. I use the 'video out' of my video card to send the video signal to my television.

      I do both of these things to I can, watch DVDs, have a picture slidshow, listen to music, and sometimes play video games (with the help of a controller).

      Having some of these features might be good if one does not have a computer, however, with a computer and some RCA cables one can do all of this for a one time fee of about $30.

      --
      Welcome to the land of the free...pay toll ahead...no photography...please open your bag...
    6. Re:Uhh... by Grip3n · · Score: 2

      1. Can your computer play MP3's on your stereo in the living room, which just happens to be hooked up to your TiVo?

      Ever heard of Audio Out?

      2. Can your computer display photos on your big TV in the living room for the entire family to see?

      Ever heard of Video Out?

      So an answer to your question, yes, I can do all of the above. Hey, why mark me as a troll? I'm trying to save you money!

      --
      To make a pun demonstrates the highest understanding of a language
    7. Re:Uhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh. What is with these lame, ignorant posts getting modded up tonight?

      Yeah, like yours.
      1. Yes it can. Anybody smart enough to hook a tv to a stereo is smart enough to hook a computer to one.
      2. Yes it can as well. It's called Video out. Most video cards above a Geforce 2 have some sort of video out.
      The real question is why you would want to show non moving pictures, networked off yoru computer, on your television. Nobody likes the honeymoon slideshow, and we dont want to see the Computer version.

    8. Re:Uhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody likes the honeymoon slideshow, and we dont want to see the Computer version.

      Even if it's Tommy Lee and Pamela Anderson's honeymoon slideshow?

    9. Re:Uhh... by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      So an answer to your question, yes, I can do all of the above.

      First of all I didn't say you couldn't. My point was there is definitely a market for a device that does this. Hell, I bought a Slimp3, which is basically the same thing without the ability to view photos on the TV, and it cost $250, and it was worth it!

      Yes, you could run cables all the way from your PC to your stereo/tv, but with this TiVo device it makes it easy to control the listening/viewing from the comfort of your living room. Those A/V cables you're using, you have to operate everything through your computer. Not very user friendly.

      --

      "And like that ... he's gone."
    10. Re:Uhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! My dreamcast can do all that for just $49.99!

      Beat that!

      Look here: http://www.dcemulation.com

    11. Re:Uhh... by thgreatoz · · Score: 0

      1. Can your computer play MP3's on your stereo in the living room...?

      Yes.

      2. Can your computer display photos on your big TV in the living room for the entire family to see?

      Yes.

      --
      When their numbers dwindled from 50 to 8, the dwarves began to suspect Hungry.
  37. Re:Tivo 1 Owners already have a FREE web interface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actualy if you go search around some old posts of hacking developments on dealdatabase, you will find we can listen to MP3's, and as somebody who is assisting in the development of these hacks, I would imagine that viewing photos on an S1 SA or Dtivo isn't far off :)

  38. Non-service PVRs? by autopr0n · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Are there any good PVRs out there that you don't need to pay a monthly service fee to use? I mean, come on. TV listings are hardly worth $5/month or whatever. I can get all of that off the web for free.

    I also really don't want some company (and possibly TIA in the future) sifting through my TV viewing habits.

    Are there any PVR solutions out there that just let you record TV shows and watch 'em later? (being able to transfer the files to my computer would be a huge bonus as well :P)

    --
    autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
    1. Re:Non-service PVRs? by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 4, Informative

      There certainly are. Several of the ReplayTV models are priced (or were, maybe they've changed) sans-subscription. Of course, the prices started at $500, coincidentally, very similar to the subscription-based models + lifetime fee. The subscription fee is really just a different method of making a profit on the hardware. The catch is that few (or fewer, as these companies are all struggling) people would shell out $500 for this equipment, but $200-$300 falls within the acceptable range. Just think about it this way: your PVR costs $500+. You can pay them now, or you can break half of that out in installments.

      Not to toot the ReplayTV horn again, but their units ship with 10BaseT Ethernet. Although there isn't official Replay->PC support, there are programs that let you do it.

    2. Re:Non-service PVRs? by tswinzig · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are there any good PVRs out there that you don't need to pay a monthly service fee to use?

      No.

      I mean, come on. TV listings are hardly worth $5/month or whatever. I can get all of that off the web for free.

      Then do it.

      However, if you think it's too much of a pain in the ass to write and maintain a program that can consistently generate accurate results for your home-brewed PC-based PVR, then you just may be interested in a TiVo, where everything is easy to use, and it costs a mere $13 a month for the entire service.

      I also really don't want some company (and possibly TIA in the future) sifting through my TV viewing habits.

      1. They're aggregate, not tied to you. 2. You can turn it off. 3. What are you afraid of? That Mr. BigWig will know you are one of 100,000 people watching X-files reruns at 3AM. WTF cares? Worry about something that matters.

      Are there any PVR solutions out there that just let you record TV shows and watch 'em later?

      The beauty of TiVo is what happens when you don't have to worry about setting your device up to record shows. You tell it what you like, and it does everything for you.

      I think you may be looking for a VCR?

      --

      "And like that ... he's gone."
    3. Re:Non-service PVRs? by mckwant · · Score: 2

      Not really. Your best bet might be keeping track of the Freevo project, although I've no experience with that, and it doesn't appear to be able to tape at the moment.

      > TV listings are hardly worth $5/month...

      We own two TiVos, and you're not just paying for the listings, but for the superb user interface. As many other posters have already mentioned:

      "Yes, you COULD do everything TiVo does with a homegrown computer, but TiVo comes in a squeaky clean WORKING package, as opposed to cobbling something together from assorted parts lying around your garage."

      I've had two SW upgrades during the couple of years we've had the TiVos, and both upgrades have brought features that significantly enhanced the use of my TiVo. Easily worth $10/month, IMHO.

      > ...some company sifting through my TV viewing habits

      TiVo are very open about what they track and what they don't. IIRC, they don't even trace back to the user, but use your information in conjunction with others to create profiles.

      At that level, I don't have much of a problem with it.

      --
      ceci n'est pas un sig.
    4. Re:Non-service PVRs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might be a little pricey but it does a really create job and does not require any service at all

      Panasonic DMR HS2

    5. Re:Non-service PVRs? by droleary · · Score: 2

      Are there any good PVRs out there that you don't need to pay a monthly service fee to use?

      Uh, yeah, there's this one called TiVo that you just might have heard about. I got one and decided after a bit that I wasn't really getting much out of the service, so I cancelled it. As their web site states: "Without the TiVo service, a TiVo DVR has extremely limited functionality." It works just fine for me as, essentially, a tapeless VCR that has the ability to schedule more than 6 events, which is all I really needed. So if your needs are like mine and within the realm of what is considered "limited functionality", check out a TiVo.

    6. Re:Non-service PVRs? by dcmeserve · · Score: 1

      > Are there any good PVRs out there that you don't need to pay a monthly service fee to use?

      Yes. Tivo.

      People talk about "needing" to pay for the directory service just because it's so freakin' useful that lobotomizing the machine down to vcr-grade seems like a waste.

      --
      "Orthodoxy is unconsciousness" - Orwell
    7. Re:Non-service PVRs? by dcmeserve · · Score: 1

      Damn you! You beat my almost-indentical post by 2 minutes. :) Though I think I went in a different direction with it -- so please have mercy, o mighty modders!

      But on the subject of tivo-as-vcr, I'm thinking about buying my parents a tivo as a gift. But there's an issue: do I get it w/o the service, and in essence just be giving them a better-than-vcr device, or do I shell out the extra $250 or so for a lifetime service (don't want to make them pay $15/mo), because it's the service that I'd *really* like to give them. But $450 is too much.

      Has anyone else out there given TiVo as a gift? Any interesting stories/info?

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    8. Re:Non-service PVRs? by GeorgeH · · Score: 2

      If TV listings aren't worth $5/month then they certainly aren't worth the $13/month that TiVo charges. But if TV listings aren't worth that to you, then don't pay and the Tivo will still work - you'll just have to manually set up all the record times.

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    9. Re:Non-service PVRs? by miltimj · · Score: 1

      your PVR costs $500+. You can pay them now, or you can break half of that out in installments.

      That math only works if you take out a loan on $250 and pay it back "in installments". If you pay $250 for a PVR and pay /TiVo|SonicBlue/'s installment plan, you're not done after two years, and in fact, would have to pay the $250 like you would in the beginning.

      I just got a ReplayTV (just too many supported, built-in features to not choose it over a TiVo), and I'm probably going to pay the first month to try it out, then get a lifetime subscription.

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    10. Re:Non-service PVRs? by DosGusanos · · Score: 1

      If you don't want to pay the Tivo fee on DirecTivo, sign up for DirecTV's Total Choice Premier package. Granted, $81+ a month for satellite TV is pricey, but you get to add on as many Tivos as you want with no fee. And you get every non-PPV movie channel you could want (all HBO's, Cinemaxes, Showtimes, IFC, etc), including the HD channels. But that's another "buy a receiver" vs. "build one on a PC" debate...

      (I subscribe to Total Choice Premier + NFL Sunday Ticket, and no, I don't work for Tivo/Hughes/etc. ;)

      -DG

    11. Re:Non-service PVRs? by droleary · · Score: 2

      As a gift, especially for parents, it probably depends on how tech-saavy they are. If they're still not comfortable with programming a VCR, then a non-service TiVo is not the way to go. Like I said, it works for me because my issues with the VCR were not of the programming/setting the clock variety, but with the constant tape changes and the limited scheduling. So if they're mostly happy with the way a VCR works, gift them with just the unit. If they're the kind of people that really enjoy TV entertainment but have trouble with technology, the TiVo service is actually well worth the money. Compare what is the price of a dozen DVDs to how many trouble-free hours of broadcast viewing they could do and make your decision.

    12. Re:Non-service PVRs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New models come with a contract requiring you to sign up for the service. Pay up.

    13. Re:Non-service PVRs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does the VCR-like functionality still work with current models? They come with a contract that requires you to sign up for Tivo service but I don't know if Tivo enforce this.

  39. Oh come ON already... by sweet+'n+sour · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Who cares about listening to mp3's and seeing pictures on yet ANOTHER device... And what does any of that have to do with recording, pausing, skipping which is what the tivo is supposed to be all about! Hell, my 65 dollar dvd player can do all that now. How many pictures can you stick on one vcd? a thousand?

    Why not make a feature that we can really use... like high definition support!

  40. Now, when they say website... by xchino · · Score: 3, Funny

    By it being programmed through a website, do they mean a web interface, or an actual internet web site? If it's through a web site, I think I'd be wary of them tracking my viewing habis.. more so than they do already..

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    1. Re:Now, when they say website... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Score:3, Funny"

      Funny?, this has already been posted 65 times in this thread? Has someone been giving mod points to their pets?, come on, own up.

  41. Soo... you're lazy? by autopr0n · · Score: 0, Troll

    1) I don't want to watch TV on my monitor. My TV is nicer. My TV is in front of the couch. My TV has a better picture. My TV has sound through my stero.

    It's not exactly hard to have your computer sound pumped through a sterio. Certanly not any harder then playing TV sound through a sterio.

    It's also not very hard to have the computer pump video to a TV as well.

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    1. Re:Soo... you're lazy? by wdr1 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm VERY lazy when watching TV. That's the point! ;-)

      -Bill

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    2. Re:Soo... you're lazy? by User+956 · · Score: 2

      Soo... you're lazy?

      Fuck yeah I'm lazy. Why should watching TV be work? Isn't it the opiate of the masses?

      I don't know about you, but I don't like having to look up information about my opiate's schedule.

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  42. Odd by T.+Will+S.+Idea · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What makes them think that people will pay extra to listen to music? People may pay extra if they get to download the music and burn it to CDs and transfer it to their MP3 players, but I can't imagine Tivo getting away with that when others have tried and failed.

    And I can't even imagine how they could get people to pay extra to show their own photos on their own TV.

    As a Tivo subscriber, I find it alarming that these guys are flailing around aimlessly with stupid business models like these. It makes me think that their days truly are numbered.

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    1. Re:Odd by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      What makes them think that people will pay extra to listen to music?

      Oh, I dunno.

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    2. Re:Odd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A router to your home theatre system perhaps? Beat buying a Rio Receiver.

    3. Re:Odd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If electricity is produced by electrons is morality produced by morons?
      No, but moralicity is.
  43. MOD DOWN! He is incorrect!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please mod him down...he is incorrect. Tivo 2's can use USB ethernet adapters.

  44. if it aint HD by 14ghz · · Score: 0, Troll

    If it can't do HD... who cares? Oh yah... I forgot. there are cards that record HD bitstreams and regular analog NTSC right off air/cable and to your HDD... FOR FREE! tivo... pleeze. bob

  45. Huh? by autopr0n · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I don't "pay a fee." That implies I'm getting nothing in return.

    What? What language are you speaking?

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  46. I think there is a bug in the kernel by teamhasnoi · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I tried to record Farscape, and ended up with this.

  47. Re:MOD DOWN! He is incorrect!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't you suck my hairy nut sack?

    TiVo 2nd generation does NOT come with broadband support. If you want broadband, you need to purchase an adapter. Just because an old laptop came with a USB port doesn't mean it had a built-in NIC. Why not try reading the post before you ask to have it modded down???

  48. and what about Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still can't buy, still can't use, still no good in Canada. Thanks I'll stick to my vcr, which I don't have to pay a fee for.

  49. Re:MOD DOWN! He is incorrect!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he said it doesn't have broadband support...it DOES...you can buy a USB ethernet adapter...you like misinformation...I personally do not, sucka!

  50. Tivo's forcast... by johnraphone · · Score: 1
    "Ramsey also reiterated TiVo's forecast that its subscribers will double to 1 million in fiscal 2004, which begins in February. "

    Thats pretty cool. But I don't think Turner Broadcasting's CEO will like it.

  51. Funny... my Xbox does all that already.. :) by steppin_razor_LA · · Score: 1

    Not that I'm knocking Tivo.. I absolutely love my DirecTivo... but these new features don't seem all that compelling.

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  52. Imagine the implications for... by Ghoser777 · · Score: 1

    pr0n!

    You thought it looked good on your 15 inch CRT? Wait till you see all the *action* on your TV's 24 inches of glory... although that may not be the only 24 inches of glory you'd be seeing.

    [rim shot]

    F-bacher

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  53. oi vey! by ebbv · · Score: 1


    i have a 22" monitor on my computer, but i still don't want to watch tv with it. my computer is in my bedroom. the tv is in the living room.

    also the tv is a 56" projection.

    (ps it's also not hard to spell 'stereo'.)

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  54. Trying to be on topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hot grids down your naked and petrified mod points!

  55. TiVo 2 vs. the spirit of CopyLeft & HDTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    TiVo has been "signing" their kernels so that the TiVo hardware will only recognize the kernel compiled by themselves. So, while TiVo does provided the source code to the Linux kernel and their modification to the source code, you will never get your own compilation of the kernel to ever run on the hardware. Of course, this defeats the hole point of CopyLeft/GPL!

    But, even if you don't care about Free Software and the future of Linux, there is also the issue of the future of TV. The FCC keeps claiming that there will be *ALOT* more ATSC digital TV broadcasts in 2006. That is only 4 years away! Why would anyone want to pay at least $200 + $250 subscription for a total of $450 on something that the NTSC tuner can't be replaced in?? TiVo still makes no claims to the be "HDTV ready." If it had some USB2 ports then there might be hope in the future but the two USB v1 ports provided have a *practical* maxium through-put of maybe 16 Mbps *combined*. An ATSC tuner can spit end up spitting out 19.2 Mbps of digital TV goodness of which the TiVo USB ports can't keep up. By the time TiVO figures out how far behind they are either a future version of Xbox or PlayStation will have entered the PVR market.

    1. Re:TiVo 2 vs. the spirit of CopyLeft & HDTV by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "Of course, this defeats the hole point of CopyLeft/GPL!"

      What's the whole point of "copyleft"/GPL? Why, in your own words, it's:

      "TiVo does provided the source code to the Linux kernel and their modification to the source code"

      GPL applies to software. TiVo is hardware. You'd think that if you could find Slashdot you'd know the differences by now...

      Or are you one of those bolsheviks who won't be happy until you can get both for $0.00?

    2. Re:TiVo 2 vs. the spirit of CopyLeft & HDTV by ndogg · · Score: 2

      Your intellectual myopia is aggravating.

      You completely miss the point of his post. Yes, TiVo is mostly about the hardware, but TiVo is making it difficult to use the software on that hardware as a person wishes, which the heart of the GPL. The original poster isn't asking to be able to obtain the TiVo for free, but rather the freedom to utilize that hardware in what ever manner [s]he pleases and using what ever software [s]he wishes, and the GPL is meant to protect those freedoms. These are freedoms that the FSF feel ought to be inherent in a person's own private property, but more often than not, this is not the case. TiVo has violated those philosophies.

      This is may not be a violation of the wording contained in the GPL, but it is certainly a violation of the philosophy that created it.

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    3. Re:TiVo 2 vs. the spirit of CopyLeft & HDTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess what. When (if) HDTV happens, there will be boxes that take the HDTV signal and spit out standard NTSC in every form from good old coax to composite to s-video and component. You'll be able to hook it up to your old Tivo like every other cable box on the market.

      Did you really think that in 2006, every person in the united states was going to run down to Best Buy and get a new TV? Get real. When color TVs came out, did everyone in the country run out and buy color set? Of course not. Heck, there were still brand new black and white sets being sold when I was a kid and I'm not _that_ old.

      As for game consoles doing double duty as PVRs, it won't happen. The whole point of having a PVR is to catch the good TV when it's on and watch it when you're ready. When will you be using your xbox to play games? Probably the same time you'd want your PVR to be recording your favorite shows. Uh oh. So do you postpone playing your game so the show gets recorded? Kind of defeats the purpose of having a PVR. Got kids? Are you going to lock up the xbox so they don't try to play a game during your favorite show?

    4. Re:TiVo 2 vs. the spirit of CopyLeft & HDTV by scd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm assuming here that TiVo does give source changes back to the community. If they don't, tell me and stop reading.

      Note that the "point" of the GPL (in your opintion) and the "letter" of the GPL probably differ. GPL says that if TiVo changes the source, they make those changes available. Nowhere is it stated that their hardware has to recognize an arbitrary kernel. It's completely within their rights to limit which kernels can run on the hardware they manufacture (as it is (or at least should be) within your rights to hack that hardware to allow arbitrary kernels once you own the hardware).

      In short, if they provide access to their source changes, they are doing nothing wrong.

    5. Re:TiVo 2 vs. the spirit of CopyLeft & HDTV by asv108 · · Score: 2
      That is only 4 years away! Why would anyone want to pay at least $200 + $250 subscription for a total of $450 on something that the NTSC tuner can't be replaced in??

      Well as someone who just bought one of these outdated Tivo Series 2, I went ahead and purchased the lifetime subscription. All you need to do is go over to Ebay and search for "tivo lifetime." You will see a bunch of series 1 tivos going for $300 to $500. So a couple of years from now, selling my tivo for $300 seems like a good deal to me. Plus, I usually don't keep hardware for more than a 2 years with the exception of my TV. I don't think anyone is worried about HDTV considering 1/2 of the United States was suppose to have it by now, yet I don't get any HDTV feeds unless I get directv which my landlord will not allow. Even then, its only a few channels.

    6. Re:TiVo 2 vs. the spirit of CopyLeft & HDTV by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

      When (if) HDTV happens, there will be boxes that take the HDTV signal and spit out standard NTSC in every form from good old coax to composite to s-video and component. You'll be able to hook it up to your old Tivo like every other cable box on the market.

      Sorry, you're incorrect. HDTV is available on our cable system, but the box has only a component video output, and if I'm not mistaken it's 1080i only. Someone might make a downconverter that would output NTSC video to a Tivo (you'd also need a D-A converter for the digital audio out), but that's only useful if the HD channels are showing programming that's not available on another channel (otherwise you'd just hook the Tivo to the cable or an NTSC box).

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  56. Snapstream by wilpig · · Score: 1

    I don't want to sound like a troll or a bad infomercial but I am currently beta testing a program called snapstream that does everything that a tivo does along with the remote show management, and supports multiple codecs for recording too.

    Don't take my word for it check it out. http://www.snapstream.com the watching live tv over my network at home is really nice. Plus being able to connect in anytime from work and see what is going on has been fun as well.

  57. YAWN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as a happy ReplayTV owner, I have to say...what is all the excitement about?

    Tivo is only copying abilities the ReplayTV has had for a LONG time, the only difference is, ReplayTV has Internet connectivity, doesn't require a phone line, has built in 802.11, and can skip commercials.

    Why is it people like Tivo better?

  58. More than the story tells by Quikah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to an "unofficial" post by a TiVo marketing rep there is much more to this than just mp3 and picture viewing.

    My guess: Originally when series 2 was announced they mentioned that they would have some deal with Real. I am guessing that you will be getting some of the premium Real content with this.

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  59. Tivo online? by Cat_Byte · · Score: 1

    So how long before a Nimda style virus hits Tivo 2 units everywhere and sets it to record 30 hours of informercials for you?

    The funniest part of the Nimda outbreak was that a certain printer with an html interface was infected at a college. Thankfully powering it off reset the html code ;)

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  60. Coach Potato PCs for the masses by greenmonk · · Score: 1

    Most normal folks still aren't keen on this whole digital lifestyle thing. My dad is pining for a single device that lets him control music and video easily, and he won't even do that until its simple and elegant unlike the kludgy PC video capture stuff out there for free. Tivo has the best PVR sheduling features out there, and adding an easy way for joe consumer to get his music and pictures from his pc to his entertainment center (which is where he really wants to enjoy these things in the first place) may just be the extra value that people need to warm up to this whole set-top digital hub concept. outside of us geeks, few have so far.

    But charging extra for these features can't last for long. Tivo has the best scheduling features and I love my DirecTivo, but the gap is closing, and many others are starting to offer devices that provide PC power that can be controlled from the couch with a remote control. Microsoft is pushing its Media Center, but the real device that may finally hit it big is the Moxi Media Center. This box does the tv recording and music and photo streaming from a pc as well, and apparently does it elegantly as it was widely considered the best of show at last year's CES. Most importantly, Charter Cable will soon be rolling out this box to tons of subscribers next year, normal folks who would NEVER seek out let alone pay extra for an all-in-one media box, but will likely fall in love with it after the cable guy installs it. This type of functionality is coming fast from many angles and I for one am quite excited about it. I love my Tivo, but if they try to charge too much for the features, the masses will eventually have all this stuff handed to them trojan-horse style. Pioneers often get arrows in their backs...

  61. Replay by kEnder242 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Replay alrady does this and more

    -lets you set your program from the web www.myreplaytv.com
    -Pictures can be uploaded to it
    -streaming over the network
    -share shows over the internet (you cant share what you recieved)

    I can live without mp3

    I did some temp tech support for these before SONICblue moved to India (last week). Nice PVR, wish I bought one.

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    1. Re:Replay by coloth · · Score: 1

      I want to second these points, and just ask: why does everybody, especially slashdotters focus so much on the Tivo, when ReplayTV is, technically, a superior product?

      Its menus and program guide are perhaps a bit more traditional, and it doesn't try to out you unnecessarily (which may titillate some potential users), but ReplayTV has had some of these "new" Tivo features for months if not years.

      Is it something aesthetic about the system? Is it the admittedly ingenious name? The remote? Constant references by comics and sitcoms?

      Tell me!

      I love my ReplayTV 2020 which I bought 3 years ago for $700 (before Tivo was a verb), then swapped in an 80GB drive for $300 20 months ago. My dog ate my first remote, so I got a new one ($40), but this expense has all been richly repaid in great functionality, and I am now a devoted fan.

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    2. Re:Replay by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      Replay alrady does this and more

      Now compare the prices.

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    3. Re:Replay by RatBastard · · Score: 2

      40 hour Tivo: $200.00, plus either $249.00 lifetime startup fee or $12.95 a month fee.

      4 hour Replay 4540 or 5040: $300.00, minus $50.00 rebate, plus either $250.00 lifetime fee or $9.95 month fee.

      Price diference: $50.00 with the lifetime.
      If you go with the monthly fee the Replay matches the Tivo in 17 months and saves you money from that point on.

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    4. Re:Replay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replay does not let you control your box live over the web. You have to wait until your Replay box "phones home" before your changes made on the website takes effect. Hacked TiVo series 1 units can be remoted contolled over the web in real time. The official series 2 units will probably be similar; in other words, your changes take effect immediately, not up to 24 hours later.

      Also, it does not matter what kinds of semi-useful features Replay has (like sharing shows over the internet or ad removal) if the basic PVR functionality is fucked, which is the case with Replay. You simply cannot be sure that Replay will actually record your shows. It has nothing comparable to TiVo's To Do List or Season Pass Manager, Wish Lists, Recording History, or Suggestions. Maybe Replay will record your show, maybe it won't; if you have too many things you want to record, you can't be sure which will be recorded and which will not.

      Give me TiVo any day; I can wait until Replay wins its lawsuits before TiVo adds similar features. Replay's "killer" features just are not that important, except to people who can't distguish between basic functionality and featuritis. TiVo has basic, necessary functionality; Replay sacrifices functionality for featuritis.

    5. Re:Replay by baja · · Score: 1

      featuritis? Is broadband conectivity featuritis? I don't think the lawsuit has kept Tivo from having similar features as Replay, I think the lawsuits were basic functions, like recording and using a guide to select what to record. Tivo is playing catch up and Replay is innovating.

  62. Cheaper alternative to TiVo by Tuxinatorium · · Score: 1

    Buy a $50 ATI TV Wonder and record Star Trek and whatnot into 500mb/hr AVIs in realtime. But you need a fast computer. The advantage is you can share them with your friends and burn them to CDs or DVDs. All that for what, the cost of 1 month subscription to TiVo?

    1. Re:Cheaper alternative to TiVo by Rogerborg · · Score: 3

      Yes, we've done the arithmetic. A minimal system costs $100 more than the TiVO, and gives you far less functionality than a dumb (no subscription) TiVO with the single difference that you can archive the files. But with a basic ($100 more than TiVO) setup, the quality will be so bad that you really wouldn't want to.

      If you want to argue that you're just paying $50 to put the ATI card into your existing powerful PC then you go ahead and kid yourself, but at least factor in the super-quiet fan you'll need to make it bearable.

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  63. Where's Canadian Tivo?!? by roc_machine · · Score: 3, Informative

    Geez, I'm getting sick of seeing so many damn Tivo stories on Slashdot... not because I think Tivo is crap, but because I would love to try one of these out, but I can't! The only thing that comes close up here is Bell Satellite with their PVR, which is something like $500-$600 up front I think.

    And as many Tivo users have said, it's not the PVR functionality that kicks ass, but the service features such as Season Pass (hey, that rhymes). And from what I've seen the UI is really good. My fiance and I are dying to get one of these.

    Damn you, Yankees! Damn you, eh!

    1. Re:Where's Canadian Tivo?!? by DrJAKing · · Score: 1

      Have you looked at the tivocanada yahoo group?

    2. Re:Where's Canadian Tivo?!? by The+Wing+Lover · · Score: 4, Informative

      In case you happen to be using DirecTV, which of course is impossible since DirecTV isn't offered for sale in Canada, and you've bought a TiVo, which of course is impossible since TiVo isn't offered for sale in Canada, you can just hook up the Tivo, tell it your Canadian area code, give a US Zip code that DirecTV services, and it will find a local Canadian number to download the DirecTV guide data from.

      Or so I've heard. Because I certainly don't use DirecTV and TiVo up here, no siree.

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    3. Re:Where's Canadian Tivo?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel your pain.

    4. Re:Where's Canadian Tivo?!? by undie · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's even easier than that. The guide data comes down from the satellite, not over the phone. If you can find a way to make the DirecTivo think it has lifetime service, it just works.

  64. Remote record by scold · · Score: 1

    It should be noted that UltimateTV had the remote record feature over a year ago. Alas, nobody bought it... nobody used it... Man, you guys really hate MS...

  65. Well oh yea by racerx509 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    In Soviet Russia, Tivo watches...

    ah screw it.

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  66. DVD Recording Ability by zeoslap · · Score: 2, Informative

    My friend recently did some UI testing for Tivo and said that they are integrating a DVD burner into the Tivo, goooo Tivo :)

  67. VLADEQUACY RAW & UNCUT 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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    [shoeboy] it's almost hypnotic
    [shoeboy] I've got a task that wakes every 2 seconds, so it's nice an rhythmic
    [Captain_Tenille] "We now return to the thrilling conclusion to "CPU Levels on a Server". There will be no further interruptions."
    [shoeboy] 33% activity across 4 processors
    [shoeboy] spikes every 2 seconds
    [shoeboy] exciting
    [momocrome] so is that four physical processors, or two hyperthreaded xeons?
    [shoeboy] 4 physical procs
    [shoeboy] hyperthreading is garbage
    [momocrome] :)
    [Captain_Tenille] Awww
    [momocrome] Hyperthreading is the flavor of the month.
    [Captain_Tenille] Someone is making a lasagna for my gf and I.
    [shoeboy] hrm... I was reading the wrong counter, cpu is only at 8%
    * bc smacks his lips
    [bc] food was excellent
    [bc] now for smoke
    [bc] hi shoe btw
    * shoeboy finished "Flasman and the Mountain of Light" last night
    [bc] great :) How'd you find it? Is it the one where he takes the drug and it makes him recklessly courageous?
    [bc] I was LMAO at that
    [shoeboy] no, it's the one covering the sikh war
    [bc] oh, the Koh I Noor?
    [bc] Khalsa etc?
    [Captain_Tenille] Isn't that a large jewel of some sort?
    [shoeboy] yeah
    [shoeboy] that's the one
    [bc] that's a good one
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    [Captain_Tenille] I can't remember if it's a diamond or an emerald
    [shoeboy] the bit where he's instructing the Sikh Wazir on how to lose is brilliant
    [shoeboy] it's a diamond
    [bc] I love the idea of all the intrigue
    [dmg] whasssssuuuuup ?
    [bc] one side trying to lose, but make it look like they had tried
    [bc] hey dmg :)
    [dmg] hey bc
    [dmg] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4679 945
    [dmg] I don't like it one bit...
    [Captain_Tenille] Is that the list of names?
    [dmg] yeah
    * Captain_Tenille posted that in here earlier today
    [dmg] Mr McP
    [dmg] up to his old tricks
    [dmg] or
    [bc] yes. It' probably craig, perhaps osm
    [Captain_Tenille] Do we know anyone in Arkansas?
    [dmg] and anti McP trying to discredit Mr McP
    [dmg] why Arkansas ?
    [Captain_Tenille] Doesn't craig live there?
    [shoeboy] yup
    [Captain_Tenille] Maybe a hit could be put out on him.
    [bc] he lives not too far from kansas City
    [Captain_Tenille] Arkansas is a small state.
    [bc] which is where he and osm and trollaxor get together to take photos of them in their "phoneboys" garb ;)
    [dmg] isn't KKKlinton from Arkansas ?
    [Captain_Tenille] Ja.
    [Captain_Tenille] bc: Where's osm from?
    [momocrome] osm is kansas too, iirc
    [bc] KC is where he lives
    [bc] same as trollaxor
    [Captain_Tenille] Ah.
    [dmg] the intrigue
    [Captain_Tenille] I knew trollaxor lived there, but not osm.
    [shoeboy] I wonder where Craig got my name?
    [dmg] trolling subculture is just so....
    [bc] yay, fujaba downloaded after only 4 attempts, damned germans
    [Captain_Tenille] So much intrigue over absolutely NOTHING!
    [dmg] intenst
    [bc] hehe shoe
    [dmg] shoeboy:
    [dmg] wasn't he on the list ?
    [momocrome] heh shoeboy
    [shoeboy] dmg, I've never been on the list
    [dmg] I could have sworn...
    [bc] the list is dead anyway
    [dmg] at least 20721 is quite funny at the moment
    [dmg] in a manic depression/add sort of way
    [bc] there's one post every 6 months and has been for 18 months
    [dmg] bc: which list are you talking about ?
    [bc] k22320
    [dmg] k22320inchfan ?
    [dmg] oh
    [bc] no, the other one
    [dmg] editors@
    [dmg] adequacy.org
    [bc] nono
    [bc] not that one either
    [bc] you know, the *real* one. Weren't you invited?
    [dmg] what the real TOP SECRET one that noone knows about ?
    [dmg] ok
    [dmg] we are on the same page now.
    [bc] hehe
    [bc] k22320, I meant, for being totally dead
    [dmg] aha
    [dmg] I met spiralx and IAT last night
    [bc] *k22320inchfan is dying
    [dmg] red ink
    [dmg] etc
    [dmg] kreskin
    [dmg] face facts
    [bc] charnel house
    [dmg] all practical purposes
    [dmg] netcraft
    [dmg] look at the figures
    [dmg] IAT had a goth woman move into his flat
    [dmg] from match.com :-) LOL
    [bc] wow really?!?
    [dmg] yeah
    [bc] I'm sure I'm the one that showed him match.com
    [bc] also, last I saw him was sunday
    [dmg] she sat around all day watching "monarch of the glen" on tv
    [bc] he was moaning about having split up with his gf
    [dmg] that's her
    [bc] redhead?
    [dmg] she was 15st, goth, redhead 6'2"
    [dmg] allegedly
    [bc] haha! That lying bastard, he was criticising hotornot and internet dating
    [dmg] he is going to try again...
    [bc] anyway, this means but one thing: match.com must be searched for iat's ex-gf
    [dmg] LOL LOL LOL LOL
    [dmg] keywords goth "monarch of the glen"
    [dmg] tv
    * Captain_Tenille is mistrustful of girls taller than him
    [bc] haha
    [dmg] I am mistrustful of the female sex
    [dmg] in general.
    [dmg] especially after my eventful wednesday evening... :-)
    [Captain_Tenille] I am six feet tall.
    [Captain_Tenille] Any female taller than that is a mostrosity and a mutant!
    [dmg] no no no
    [dmg] we are all equal in the eyes of god
    [bc] what happened on wed?
    [dmg] tall, short
    [dmg] white black
    [dmg] libertarian, communist
    [dmg] bc: you know my friend ?
    [bc] yes
    [dmg] I was right about her
    [dmg] she DID want me.
    [bc] and she told you as much?
    [dmg] I am now sporting a sex-related injury :-)
    [bc] haha
    [dmg] its not funny :-)
    [dmg] my leg hurts
    [bc] good. Yes, it is funny though
    [dmg] when I put weight on it
    [dmg] it was so amusing.
    [bc] another #adequacy dating advice success!
    [dmg] it was pretty much the most rampant sex I have had in my life...
    [dmg] so much for her protestations of not being interested :-)
    [bc] hehe
    [dmg] #adequacy rules !!!!
    [dmg] doing the right thing for the wrong reasons!!!
    [dmg] I was late for work
    [bc] you're lucky. All I came home to on wednesday was a fucking nasty writ from Ayr Sherriff County Court.
    [dmg] LOL
    [bc] well, not from them, but requesting that I appear before them
    [dmg] Which reminds me, better go and pay my credit card bill brb
    [bc] "request" being more like "appear or else"
    [Captain_Tenille] GodDAMN it!
    [Captain_Tenille] My fucking office chair just broke!
    [bc] haha
    [Captain_Tenille] I loved that chair.
    [bc] did it happen while you were sitting in it, with the result that you spread everywhere hilariously?
    [Captain_Tenille] No. It fell over after I stood up, and one of the bottom things broke off.
    [Captain_Tenille] It had been breaking for a couple of weeks.
    * Captain_Tenille has not had a pleasant past couple of weeks.
    [bc] heh :\
    [bc] fuck sake, fucking fucking fujaba gives and exception on the one major piece of functionality I wanted
    [bc] goddamned thing
    [bc] "write once, run anywhere" [-haha
    [dmg] bc what do the authorities want with you ?
    [dmg] presumably they are trying to coerce you
    [dmg] in some way
    [bc] they are, but rightfully. it is not the government that is coercing me, but I private organisation I have breached a contract with
    [cyndrekit] hehe this is by far my favorite scoop site design wise http://www.artificialcheese.com/
    [bc] and now have to plea with, though hopefully I should be successful
    [dmg] bc: I am surprised
    * Captain_Tenille is bored
    [dmg] I thought you of all people would honour a voulantary contract!
    [dmg] being an anarcho-capitalist/libertarian and all that
    [bc] well I would have, but I didn't realise I was breaking it until it was too late
    [dmg] ignorance is no defence
    [bc] ]:(
    [bc] everybody makes mistakes and suffers the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
    [dmg] yes, but a contract is a CONTRACT. Its the fundamental bedrock of society....
    [bc] I agree! And people break them, sometimes in error, sometimes deliberately, and in both cases restitution is just
    [dmg] you will get what's coming to you, mark my words...
    [bc] I willfully submit to the court and can only plead before them, they are human beings and shall hopefully see my POV
    [bc] and grant me a return into the contract as it was before
    [dmg] I hope they don't let you get away with anything....
    [Captain_Tenille] What did you not do, bc?
    [dmg] after all, a contract is legally binding, and freely entered in to.
    [dmg] it would be a mockery and a travesty if they let you get away with flouting it.
    [bc] of course it is, dmg, however it is not a mockery and a travesty if they accept all too human error at their discretion, Humanity is at the heart of our justice system too, and the company whose contract I have breached is composed of employees who are human beings, and should see this as nothing but a simple error
    [dmg] bc: I expect the contract will have a just penalty clause for this kind of situation...
    [bc] I don't think it does. It is a fairly unusual situation
    [bc] but I am willing to accept penalties
    [dmg] slashdot blatantly trolls it's moronic readership again.... http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/02/11/13/21272 27.shtml?tid=109
    [dmg] "While I did pay Microsoft for Office for Mac, I try to avoid filling their coffers whenever possible, so for all the family/friends who rely on me for computer recommendations I recommend Mac or Linux."
    [dmg] Wanker.
    [dmg] Liar too :-)
    [bc] haha
    [bc] holy crap
    [dmg] its straight from the "howto"
    [dmg] category "elitism"
    [bc] I especially like this bit:
    [bc] My own situation is that I use an IT-mandated Win98 (ugh) laptop at work, but at home I'm Mac OS X all the way.
    [bc] huh??
    [dmg] WIn98 and MacOs are virtually indistinguishable to normal people.
    [bc] My own situation is that I use an Prprietary system I (ugh) laptop at work, but at home I'm Proprietary System II all the way.
    [dmg] exactly
    [dmg] but who gives a fuck, anyway ?
    [dmg] its just a fucking computer.
    [dmg] Its not a life-or-death issue.
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    [bc] it's not anti-proprietary reasoning, it isn't anti-crapsoftware reasoning, it is anti-MS reasoning and that's it
    [bc] yes
    [bc] it's a damned computer! who cares
    [dmg] I just want to get my work done.
    [bc] What keeps me on windows? (Score:5, Funny)
    [bc] by Real World Stuff on Friday November 15, @04:26PM (#4680158)
    [bc] (User #561780 Info | http://www.elbbs.com/elbbs/jude/hegebaby.html | Last Journal: Friday November 08, @01:30PM)
    [bc] Why the Microsoft ads on Slashdot of course!
    [dmg] I don't want to edit my /etc/resolv.conf, or tweak my registry, or any of that hippie geek bullshit, I just want to do my fucking work.....
    [bc] same here
    [bc] I like that windows is so closed
    [bc] otherwise I'd just be horsing around forever
    [bc] all the time
    [dmg] Looks like the yanks may have caught Osama!!!
    [bc] as it is, it just works
    [bc] wow really??
    [dmg] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2482545. stm
    [dmg] doesn't mention him by name...
    [dmg] but I bet al-jazeera is well infiltrated by MI5/6
    [dmg] and they seem to have a hotline to him
    [bc] hmmn
    [bc] I doubt they are well-infiltrated
    [dmg] "I can't tell you when, I can't tell you where, I can't tell you how," said one unnamed official. "But this is a big deal."
    [dmg] Who else can they be talking about ?
    [bc] Sources told the Reuters news agency that the person who had been captured was neither al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden's right-hand man, Ayman al-Zawahri, nor operational leader Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, nor Bin Laden's son Saad.
    [bc] heh, who does that leave I wonder?
    [dmg] I need to go check out my conspiracy sites...
    [dmg] http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/sto ry.jsp?story=351901
    [bc] dmg, you'll like this a lot: http://reason.com/0210/artifact.shtml
    [dmg] Bin Laden is alive
    [dmg] Fucking-A!!!!
    [bc] hehe
    [dmg] I LOVE it....
    [dmg] it hints at so much
    [dmg] without actually saying anything.
    [bc] I love the blurb underneath
    [bc] what were they thinking?
    [dmg] the latin phrase is the icing on the cake
    [bc] "Hmmn, a big eye looking over the earth, that will be reassuring and comforting!"
    [dmg] someone has an awesome sense of humour
    [bc] that agency is big and nasty though
    [dmg] I am surprised that the Euro does not feature pyramids on its banknotes.
    [bc] they are doing the supposed Carnivore II stuff
    [dmg] oh
    [bc] http://reason.com/sullum/111502.shtml
    [dmg] this will be logged then.
    [bc] I love reason.com
    [dmg] bin laden, terrorism, dirty bomb, al-quaida
    [dmg] oklahoma city
    [dmg] fbi
    [dmg] cia
    [dmg] etc
    [bc] that and justin raimondo and von mises and aldaily are worth a daily read
    [bc] as well as being a sexy, sexy man
    [dmg] men are not sexy to me.
    [dmg] except Sam Sloan.
    [dmg] he has the experience of life
    [bc] I find justin sexier than sam sloan
    [bc] though sam is pretty sexy
    [dmg] were I ever to turn gay and desire rampant butt sex
    [bc] http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html
    [bc] just look at his rugged good looks
    [dmg] Sam would be the man for the job.
    [bc] (and remember, he actually is gay)
    [dmg] bc: everyone is bisexual
    [dmg] "gays" are just repressed
    [bc] hehe
    [dmg] "The US was finally forced to acknowledge yesterday that the man some of them had claimed to be dead was still very much in the land of the living - and uttering the kind of threat that fulfils the worst nightmares of Western leaders."
    [bc] "Most of us 'neo-isolationists,' a disparate, contentious lot, are realy [sic] not 'neo' anything. We are old church and old right, anti-imperialist and anti-interventionist, disbelievers in Pax Americana. We love the old republic, and when we hear phrases like 'New World Order,' we release the safety catches on our revolvers." --Pat Buchanan
    [bc] I love that!
    [dmg] is that they are too intellectual for the masses.
    [dmg] we need "new Conservatives"
    [dmg] Thatcherism with better marketing
    [bc] there're the "neoconservatives" in USia
    [bc] so the label is really taken, by the wrong people
    [bc] our conservatives just suck
    [dmg] I am economically right wing, and socially, I don't give a fuck what you do so long as I don't have to subsidise it....
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    [Sulla] damn
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    [dmg] thanks to #adequacy I had some of the best sex of my life...
    [dmg] bc:
    [dmg] how do I set the topic
    [bc] first, get yourself opped
    [bc] then /topic whatever you want the topic to be here
    [bc] to op yourself, type /msg nickserv identify yerpass
    [dmg] can you op me
    [bc] /msg chanserv op #adequacy dmg
    [bc] ok wait a sec, I'll reg myself
    [dmg] that didnt work
    *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dmg
    [cyndrekit] whats going on?
    [bc] there
    [bc] cyn?
    [cyndrekit] ahh
    [cyndrekit] topic changes
    [dmg] it still doesn't work :-(
    [bc] eh??
    [bc] /topic test
    [cyndrekit] i can do it
    [bc] try that
    [dmg] I type "/topic" test
    [bc] you do it in quotes?
    [dmg] "no topic is set"
    [bc] huh
    [dmg] does it make a difference ?
    [bc] are you using trillian?
    [dmg] bc: yes
    [bc] can you right click or whatever or try clicking on the topic or whatever, they have probably gui-ed it
    [dmg] nothing happens
    [bc] hmm
    [bc] try /quote topic test
    [bc] ?
    [bc] oh
    [dmg] "No Topic is set"
    [bc] when I do /quote topic test, it does that too
    [bc] so yer fucked unless you use a different client seems to me
    [bc] tell me what you want the topic to be, and I'll do it
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    [dmg] bc:
    [dmg] thanks to #adequacy I had some of the best sex of my life...
    [dmg] thats the topic
    *** bc changes topic to 'thanks to #adequacy I had some of the best sex of my life... (dmg, not me, obviously)'
    [dmg] well dony
    [bc] woohoo!
    * bc continues searching for a UML modeller that is free and works, goddamnit to hell
    [dmg] did you know tombuck is a wannabe slashdot troll ?
    [dmg] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=44937&cid=4658 776
    [cyndrekit] "how many #adequacy ops does it take to change a topic?"
    *** Retrieving #adequacy info...
    [bc] LOL
    [bc] @cyn
    [cyndrekit] hehe
    [dmg] cyn: adequacy ops don't do "techie" stuff. They pay someone else to do it
    [cyndrekit] so iv'e noticed...
    [cyndrekit] ;)
    [bc] that's tombuch dmg?? coo
    [dmg] apparently
    [dmg] he's new to trolling
    [bc] he got 22 mod points spent on him, that's pretty impressive
    [dmg] not bad
    [dmg] slagging off NASA always pulls them in.
    [bc] I remember my first successful troll like it was yesterday
    [bc] oh the exhilleration!
    [bc] it was a post called "Why HAL should never be developed"
    [bc] by Kiss the Blade
    [bc] that was trademarkedly luddite, anti-techi, and snooty and superior and artistic and such
    [bc] in a boring story about 2001: A Space Odyssey or some crap
    [dmg] KTB was good
    [bc] it was a laugh, and about my 3rd ever post, and it got 40 replies
    [dmg] trolling
    [dmg] those were the days
    [dmg] nowadays it has become impossible to troll
    [bc] that was at eexactly the same time as everybody abandoned sid=trolltalk for the k5 trolltalk sid :\
    [dmg] Baudrillard would say that trolls are indistinguishable from genuine opinions
    [dmg] they are simulacra
    [bc] and I didn't know any of you lot, so I was left all alone, and nobody noticed my sublime period of success ]~((
    [dmg] ive been thinking about that a lot.
    [dmg] It does not matter whether the expounder of a viewpoint is sincere

  68. VLADEQUACY RAW & UNCUT 4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    [dmg] "http://www.jang-group.com/thenews/sep2002-weekly/ iqra-20-09-2002/#3"
    [dmg] "The Holy Prophet (Sall Allaho alaihe wasallam) used to joke, but he never said anything but the truth in his jokes. "
    [dmg] "trolling with the truth" is a halal Islamic technique....
    [dmg] there we have it.
    [dmg] Trolling is sanctioned by Allah (swt(
    [momocrome] wonderful
    [bc] haha-haaa
    [bc] that irc log is hilarious
    [dmg] that takest the biscuit
    [bc] [bc] vlad... i'2 type 'mo ;but i drunk.
    [dmg] I laughed
    [momocrome] post the text to 20721
    [momocrome] stir the pot a bit
    [momocrome] I am going to rise to their baiting
    [momocrome] even thoughI haven't been singled out
    [bc] haha
    [bc] I must read more now
    [dmg] "In "al-Adab al-Mufrad", Bukhari reports from Bakr bin Abdullah, who said: "The Companions of the Holy Prophet (Sall Allaho alaihe wasallam) used to throw melon-rinds at one another, but when the matter was serious, they were the only true men."
    [dmg]
    [dmg] "
    [dmg] So its OK to throw melon rinds at people ?
    [momocrome] it is comical, in fact
    [dmg] The more I read about Islam, the less it makes sense.
    [dmg] that sounds like slapstick humor.
    [dmg] do you think custard pies would be ok ?
    [momocrome] God Willing, I will get you with this melon rind!
    [dmg] are there any hadith on this ?
    [momocrome] No you shall not, God Willing!
    [dmg] LOL
    [momocrome] I like the way they can become the only true men at a moment's notice
    [bc] it's amazing how they STILL go on about perdida
    [dmg] http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-076.htm "The Hardy Cocks of Upper Egypt"
    [shoeboy] I need to go home
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    [shoeboy] but I haven't put in 8 hours
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] "In the Kinsey survey of more than 5000 men, three or four were found who could ejaculate by deliberately concentrating on sexual fantasies, without any genital manipulation - "In such a case the psychic stimulation is entirely responsible for the result." Two or three males in a thousand are able to suck their own penises to achieve orgasm and ejaculation. "
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    [abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-054.htm
    [bc] Contemplating suicide everyday, Barry someday hopes to either grow the testicles to off himself or to fall in love with some fat-ankled trash-eating Scottish sow. I don't see a difference between the two fates, but anything is better than not being to tell a dirty joke.
    [bc] hahaha
    [bc] oh god
    [bc] trollaxor is great
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] "Masturbation is said to be so widespread among both married and unmarried Muslim females throughout Africa and the East that "it is commonly regarded by the menfolk as customary and matter-of-fact" (A. Edwards & R. E. L. Masters, "The Cradle of Erotica"). "Rubbing" or "pounding" is considered a natural manifestation of feminine nature - for "women's passion is ten times greater than man's." In this spirit it has been suggested
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-040.htm
    [bc] hehe
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] I feel abused and left out.
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] nobody cares enough to parody me.
    [bc] wow, and actual troll on listed on trolltalk, only after I've read 200 posts
    [bc] 200 posts bashing perdida, adequacy, and everyone in here (but dmg)
    [bc] dmg: I never used to get bashed, then I banned trollaxor from here and put him on ignore
    [momocrome] I get no love neither
    [bc] so that's what's prolly sparked off the names and shite
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] I actually like trollaxor's stuff.
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] especially the LGC
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] momocrome: its just not fair.
    [bc] SIR!!! (Score:0)
    [bc] by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13, @11:12AM (#4660016)
    [bc] I apologize for revealing your personal information. I try very hard, I truly do, but sometimes my overzealous urges take the better of me. Jesus will not be pleased. I have much contemplating to do regarding Christ and sitting in front of Slashdot all day being a prick.
    [bc] SIR, I AM SARRY!!!
    [bc] Have a nice day,
    [bc] Craig McPherson
    [bc] LOL
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] tee hee
    * bc decides to post a comment
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] Did you see my repsonse ?
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] about the 10" cocks ?
    [bc] I guessed that was you! it was fun
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] We need to post a load of ludicrous links to people with the same names.
    * bc writes post designed to provoke craig
    [bc] Is this a good idea? prolly not, but I don't care
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    [abu_zeqqzeqq] hey First Incision
    [First_Incision] hello
    [First_Incision] who be ye?
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] i am dmg
    [First_Incision] ok
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] abu zeqqzeqq is an Islamic name
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] meaning "the father of thrusters"
    [First_Incision] haha
    [bc] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4682 572
    [bc] hehe
    [bc] god I suck
    [bc] hey FI
    [First_Incision] I will not discout the possibility that you suck.
    [bc] A wise move FI
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] bc: if craig is as fucked up as he seemse
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] that will push him to new extremes...
    [bc] hehee
    [bc] I like the idea of adding together his fetish for stone women, and his religomania
    [momocrome] heh
    [First_Incision] I never understood the stone women thing. Is osm still perving around somewhere?
    [momocrome] http://www.clusterlizard.org
    [momocrome] osm's site ^^
    [bc] yes, though who knows what he's up to
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] bc: change your nick to "Abu'l Hayjeh "
    [momocrome] he has a bunch of uninspired match.com pseudo-trolls
    [momocrome] picking on hapless, lonely women
    [First_Incision] clusterlizard, that sounds familiar for some reason. Is that from that "lexx show"?
    [momocrome] yes
    [momocrome] he has a thing for the first female lead
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-105.htm
    [momocrome] it is one of the sections
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] Abu'l Hayjeh who deflowered eighty virgins in a single night,
    [shoeboy] I shouldn't follow your links, bc
    [shoeboy] Click the really excited choir boy!
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    [bc] hehe shoeboy
    [county] hey folks
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] hey county
    *** bc is now known as Abu
    *** Abu is now known as Abul_Hayjeh
    *** Abul_Hayjeh is now known as Abu`l_Hayjeh
    [Abu`l_Hayjeh] that works
    [Abu`l_Hayjeh] hi county!
    [county] fuckin muslim
    [Abu`l_Hayjeh] ]:(
    [county] what
    [Abu`l_Hayjeh] I did deflower 80 virgins in a single night, county
    [Abu`l_Hayjeh] I am due some respect
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] fuck off, infidel
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] I am the "father of thrusters"
    [county] i bet
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] #adequacy is teh Islamic IRC channel
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] no INFIDELS ALLOWED
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] pick an islamic name, or piss off.
    [county] well its luky that im a muslim tehn
    *** shoeboy is now known as Mohammed_Iqbal
    [county] then
    [Mohammed_Iqbal] I went to middle school with a Mohammed Iqbal
    [Mohammed_Iqbal] don't think he set any sex records
    [Mohammed_Iqbal] but then again, I didn't ask
    [Abu`l_Hayjeh] hehe
    *** Abu`l_Hayjeh is now known as badmash
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] Mohammed Iqbal is one of the best URDU poets
    *** First_Incision is now known as Abdullah
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] but it probably wasn't the same guy you were at school with.
    *** Abdullah is now known as Abdullah_Camel
    *** county is now known as ivan
    *** Abdullah_Camel is now known as First_Incision
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] Al-Quaida, Infidels, Zionist, Dirty Bomb, Great Satan etc etc etc
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] Did you know that Saddam Hussain's favorite sweets are "quality street" ?
    [ivan] i wouldve marked him as an m&m man
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_672471.html?m enu=news.quirkies
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] there you go.
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] !Tariq Aziz puts HP Sauce on every dinner!
    [ivan] are muslims allowed to have sex?
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] "After returning from a meeting with Saddam last month Labour MP George Galloway revealed the dictator offered him Quality Street chocolates and spoke of his admiration for British buses."
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] Saddam has obviously never been on a British bus in his life...
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_709336.html?m enu=news.weirdworld.sexlife
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] "Oral sex is not adultery"
    [ivan] ive noticed that here in seatlte an awful lot of carsw ant to get hit by a bus
    [ivan] theyre utterly stupid around them
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_700505.html?m enu=news.weirdworld.sexlife
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] "
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] Some male lawmakers are demanding rights to sex be guaranteed in the domestic violence legislation.
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] "
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] The Minister claimed that some people turned into gays and lesbians because they did not get enough heterosexual sex.
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] "It is all because of sexual denial. As a biology teacher, I know how the body functions," he added
    *** cyn-away is now known as cyndrekit
    [ivan] That's brilliant. Men beat their wives because they refuse sex, so make giving sex required by law!
    [badmash] genius indeed
    [ivan] What about those of us who can't manage to get married?
    [ivan] Aren't we entitled to sex?
    [ivan] I should hope so.
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] that would be sinful
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] and against Allah (SWT)
    [ivan] Well, in an abstract sense I would hope so.
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] The penalty is stoning to death.
    [ivan] I'm terribly afraid of sex, so I don't think it would matter if I were legally entitled to it.
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] I suggest you substitute your sexual urges with the urge to pray...
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] until you are married.
    [ivan] Substitute the urges... How obvious!
    *** badmash is now known as bc
    [ivan] "Man, do I ever want some sex." "No. You want to pray instead." "Oh, OK."
    [ivan] I think one of the secrets of Islam's success must be its keen grasp of psychology.
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] Islam rules.
    [ivan] No, kidding. Go Islam!
    [ivan] woohoo
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] you can deny it all you like, but it is the only religion truly in touch with human nature
    [bc] county: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4675 437
    [ivan] Ignore the superfluous comma.
    [bc] does that seem accurate to you?
    [ivan] All of them =)
    [ivan] thx
    *** First_Incision is now known as fi-away
    [ivan] I can't say, bc. I didn't read it.
    [ivan] Should I?
    [bc] Yes, you should
    [ivan] Haha!
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_686841.html?m enu=news.weirdworld.sexlife
    [ivan] It almost looks real.
    [ivan] The one problem is that shoeboy is LOLing too much and Vladinator isn't doing it enough.
    [bc] I'm kind of insulted. It represents me as a pathetic drunk with delusional fantasies that I'm liked by females, and that seems entirely untrue
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] gratuituous kylie pictures. Proof Allah(SWT) and Mohammed (PBUH) are REAL
    [ivan] It does seem entirely untrue that you're liked by females.
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] bc at least you are worthy of parody
    [bc] hehe
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] some of us are become stalinesque non-persons.
    [abu_zeqqzeqq] airbrushed out of trolling history
    [ivan] abu and I didn't even get noticed :(
    [bc] craig&osm&trollaxor prolly still like you, dmg
    [ivan] "Where's the part where Barry Corrington slags on Jin Wicked for half an hour then kisses her ass when she logs in?
    [ivan] "
    [ivan] Has Jin ever been in here?
    [bc] not afaik
    *** abu_zeqqzeqq is now known as Abu_Zeqqzeqq
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] bc: don't lie
    [bc] ?
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] "she" is here right now :-)
    [cyndrekit] oh my god this is hallarious
    [bc] is she?!?
    [ivan] Abu is Jin Wicked!
    [ivan] I knew it.
    [ivan] I always told you guys, but you wouldn't listen.
    [bc] Abu has a UKian IP address
    [bc] has Jin moved to UKia?
    [ivan] Yeah, for better or worse, Jin is a real person.
    [ivan] And she's not here.
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] Jin is BC
    [bc] I didn't see you there Jin. I just wanted you to know, I love your site
    [ivan] She is one of those girls you've attracted, though, bc.
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] everyone knows that
    [ivan] Everyone is wrong.
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] jin, stop playing around and attention seeking.
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] you are fooling noone
    [ivan] Right, everyone is fooling themself.
    [bc] :(
    [ivan] bc isn't Jin.
    [ivan] bc isn't luisa, either.
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] yeah, like I am going to believe a troll on #adequacy
    [ivan] It's easy to spot bc's real alternate identities, because they're all exactly the same.
    [ivan] UE talked exactly like LAT, who talked exactly like KTB, who talked exactly like HW.
    [ivan] HW, with a Scottish accent!
    [ivan] Well, that was quite the sight.
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_691682.html?m enu=news.weirdworld.badtaste
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] The apartment where suicide pilot Mohammad Atta lived and plotted the September 11 attacks is to be turned into an "art happening
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] what about Paget-Paget ?
    [ivan] Forgot about that one.
    [bc] they were all subtly different
    [bc] I can't help it if you have no reading skills :\
    [ivan] HW constantly saying "realise" was the best.
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    [bc] eh?
    [ivan] Howdy, Lumpen.
    [Lumpen] Hasn't the joke gone on long enough?
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] what joke ?
    [ivan] Likely. Which joke, though?
    [bc] what joke?
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] *BSD is dying ?
    [Lumpen] The blank page
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] what blank page ?
    *** cyndrekit is now known as cyn-away
    [Lumpen] http://www.adequacy.org
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] thats not blank
    [Lumpen] Looks blank to me.
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] it is actually RGB value #D7D7D7
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] which is patented by adequacy.org
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] and if you wait long enough
    [Lumpen] Yeah, yeah.
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] you will see some content
    [bc] no dmg, it is more
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] I assure you
    [Lumpen] So how long do I have to wait?
    [bc] the grey colour varies between values #D6D6D6 and #D8D8D8
    [bc] encoding a binary string of information
    [ivan] Nerd talk alert.
    [Lumpen] I think two months is long enough pretending you're gone.
    [bc] that holds the entire adequacy site, accessible to the chosen few
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] who is pretending ?
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] keeping a quality site like adequacy going was never easy
    [Lumpen] Ha, ha, ha.
    [Lumpen] Very funny.
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] adequacy is dead. Fact.
    [ivan] Well, unfortunately, Lumpen, the Adequacy editors were so damn lazy that even between the forty or fifty of them, they couldn't produce one article a week.
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] dead as BSD
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] ivan: I no longer work for free.
    [ivan] Yeah, but do you work it for free?
    [Abu_Zeqqzeqq] what ? speak English.
    [momocrome] Towards More Powerful Porn: Psychology, CGI and Gradients of Stimulation
    [momocrome] sound like a compelling article?
    [momocrome] great!
    [Lumpen] So Adequacy is just an irc channel now?
    [ivan] Is it completed?
    [momocrome] no
    [momocrome] I just thought of it
    [ivan] This channel shouldn't even be called #adequacy, really.
    [momocrome] maybe I can use the QPT Editorial Service
    [ivan] Mostly it's just bitching at, about, and by women.
    [Lumpen] Because it isn't?
    *** fi-away is now known as First_Incision
    [First_Incision] I think adequacy is a great name for this channel
    [First_Incision] Since it is now mostly about people contemplating their (in)adequacies
    [ivan] Yeah, "people."
    [ivan] Why don't you just say "ivan." We all knew what you meant, anyway.

  69. I bought an UltimateTV by fearlessrogue · · Score: 1

    for 70 bucks thanks to a nice big rebate from sony. The Hard Drive alone is worth that much. Do I feel bad giving money to micro-soft? No Way!!! They are losing lots of money on this venture.

    Come to think of it this is the only thing I have ever bought in any way from micro-soft!

    --

    Everything Zen;
    Everything Zen;
    I don't think so!!!
  70. VLADEQUACY RAW & UNCUT 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    [momocrome] hmm
    [Sulla] I've had enough of subtlety, county
    [dmg] hey tarque
    [Sulla] I've had a long week
    [dmg] you seem to be in belgium
    [dmg] or is that brazil ?
    [Sulla] isn't br brazil?
    [dmg] i think so
    [momocrome] microsoft MSN has parental controls with age-specific settings like 'preteen' and 'teen'.
    [momocrome] it is like a menu system for pederasts
    [momocrome] I guess it would work for the FBI just as well
    [First_Incision] have you ever wondered who is the narc on #adequacy?
    [momocrome] the two groups will be the only ones in the chatrooms marked 'safe'
    [momocrome] certainly
    [momocrome] it could be me!
    [Mohammed_Iqbal] I WANT TO GO HOME!
    *** Mohammed_Iqbal is now known as shoeboy
    [shoeboy] I don't want to be at work anymore
    [momocrome] take a deep breath
    [momocrome] they are ripping on you in trolltalk, shoeboy
    [momocrome] perhaps you can strike back and burn off a little steam
    [dmg] #adequacy is not what it seems First Incision.
    [dmg] You are dealing with powers that you cannot begin to comprehend.
    [shoeboy] why should I care?
    [Lumpen] Where is trolltalk?
    [momocrome] I don't think you should 'care', per se, just a way to blow off steam I thought I'd suggest
    [momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721
    [dmg] momocrome, that is top secret information.
    [dmg] don't just spread it around like that.
    [momocrome] gahsp!
    [momocrome] my apologies. Lumpen, looks like you lucked out
    [Lumpen] Oh. It's a slashdot thing. Blah.
    [shoeboy] someone's been viewing my amazon.com user page
    [shoeboy] hrm.. stockton's got 4 turnovers at the half
    [shoeboy] fuck
    [dmg] night all. Off to do some Top Secret MI6 work
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    [shoeboy] oh yeah, some little nigger was ridiculing my shoes on the bus this morning
    [shoeboy] that was obnoxious
    [Sulla] what are your shoes like?
    [shoeboy] New Ballance running shoes
    [Sulla] trainers?
    [shoeboy] yeah
    [First_Incision] riding the bus, how communist
    [Sulla] I don't blame him
    [shoeboy] bah
    [First_Incision] "trainers", there's a UKism for you.
    [shoeboy] he was dressed like your typical urban black
    [Sulla] anyone who wears trainers anywhere, though especially on a bus, deserves all they get
    [First_Incision] they're sneakers, dammit. For sneaking up on the redcoats
    [shoeboy] and looked like a clown college dropout
    [Sulla] locally they get called sanshoes, FI, I actually thought I was using a USianism so you'd understand
    [First_Incision] haha. I've actually never heard a non-UK person say trainers before.
    [Lumpen] I call them "nigger boots."
    [county] I think I'd just break down if some little nigger ridiculed my shoes.
    [Sulla] you lot are acomplete disgrace
    [county] Are we?
    [First_Incision] somebody needs to ridicule my shoes. I deserve it.
    [First_Incision] http://www.converse.com/shop/shop.asp?cat=sc
    [county] I like my shoes.
    [Sulla] Yes, county
    [county] I wear black leather boots.
    [First_Incision] My shoes are ugly as shit, but comfortable as heaven
    [county] Mine look mighty sharp.
    [Sulla] my shoes are black, leather, and constricting. They punish my feet, covering them in blisters and blood. I deserve it, though, and it is morally improving
    *** Lumpen has quit IRC (Quit: Please turn www.adequacy.org back on!)
    [county] Mine are similar, Sulla, but they don't draw blood.
    *** Sulla is now known as bc
    [county] Or cause blisters, really.
    [county] They're stern, though.
    [bc] mine really do
    [bc] fucking agony, they are
    [First_Incision] mine are like walking on pillows
    [county] I've walked over five miles a day in mine without blisters, just soreness.
    [county] When they were brand new, though, they caused blisters.
    [county] I had to break them, though! And they had to break me.
    [county] It was very sexual.
    [bc] I do more than 5 miles usually, and by God, every step is pain
    [bc] every step sends shockwaves of sheer agony around my foot and up my leg
    [county] Why don't you get more comfortable shoes?
    [bc] and after my ritual 5000 steps every day, I feel like a new man. I feel improved. I feel like the sin has been flushed out.
    [bc] because I deserve the agony, county
    [bc] I'm a bad fellow, and this is my self imposed cross
    [First_Incision] http://www.panama-jack.com/havanajoe/INGLES/colecc ion/categories/men/adventure/pages/classic1.htm
    [county] Anyway, I'm going to tell my story about female cruelty on the bus.
    [bc] to bear
    [county] I get on the bus with four other girls, three of them are together.
    [county] I mean with four girls.
    [First_Incision] I also have a pair of these that are 3 years old, I trust they will last my whole life.
    [county] I'm a guy, of course. Heh.
    [county] The lone girl tries to be friendly with the three, and they're quite terse and rude, and then when she gets off, they spend the next five minutes mocking her.
    [county] It made me weep.
    [bc] Yes. You'd never do something like that, of course.
    [county] I wouldn't.
    [county] She was quite pretty, too.
    [county] Her face had a strange, intense look to it.
    [bc] perhaps you should have recorded the conversation the girl had and slipped it into her pocket anonymously come monday
    [bc] girl/girls
    [county] Her voice and attitude were intoxicating in their simplicity and ingenuousness!
    [county] And I will never see her again :(
    [county] The other girls were ill-formed masses of pimpled, greasy, misshapen flesh.
    [county] The soul truly is reflected in the face and body.
    *** momocrome is now known as Yanni
    [shoeboy] indeed
    [bc] Fascinating county, but, considering that you have shown your capcity for malice here many times, I suspect that while you doubtless thought this girl pure and interesting, you in fact liked her because she was similar to yourself (the usual reason for attraction) - full of malice. I suspect the criticism of the other girls (who were likely good, and therefore opposed to you, and quite alien) was justified.
    [shoeboy] this is why I can't wipe the smirk off my face no matter how hard I try
    [county] I didn't see any reason to suppose this girl courted malice, bc.
    [county] Anyway, I think it's been well-established that I can't take it, at all.
    [county] I wouldn't be attracted to a cruel person.
    * Yanni is the man for you, county
    [county] Sorry, Yanni, I don't like fatties.
    [Yanni] I will sooth your soul.
    [Yanni] I am not fat!
    [county] 225 lbs is pretty damn fat.
    [Yanni] http://www.physics.drexel.edu/~kim/yanni.GIF
    [bc] marry me?
    [Yanni] I am intensely well muscled, by nature.
    [Yanni] and at a firm 6'2", can hardly be counted amongst the fatties
    [county] I'm 6'2", though.
    [Yanni] you are a bean pole
    [Yanni] 160 lbs?
    [county] bc, I feel like such a wretched fool for not talking to this girl and getting rejected!
    [county] No, more like 170-175.
    [Yanni] hey, you guys want to know a secret?
    [Yanni] Luisa is a man. a cowboy, no less.
    [bc] The value of work is socially defined, and usually done so for the benefit of those in charge; those with the most power and influence. --Infinitera
    [bc] Is he retarded????????
    [county] No, he's correct.
    [bc] Shut up.
    [county] Also, I'd like to point out the Gun N' Roses is the best band ever.
    [county] Would you hit it? http://www.cyborgasmatrix.com/
    [First_Incision] that's anatomically correct? No, I would not hit it. Not even a real woman that looked like that.
    [county] The face made me laugh.
    [Yanni] be sure to visit the torso gallery
    [county] I didn't get past the front page.
    [county] I figured it couldn't get any better!
    [Yanni] this is horrifying
    [First_Incision] when's the Internet going to bring about the downfall of western civillization. It seems to be about time now.
    [Yanni] Available
    [Yanni] Now!
    [Yanni] Torso with head starts at $920
    [Yanni] no arms or legs with that
    [county] Oh, no!
    [county] It's wrong that they would sell that.
    [county] The whole idea of a fake woman is ridiculous.
    [Yanni] you can buy just the upper torso
    [Yanni] $395 for breasts and shoulders only
    [county] I wonder if they've had any takers at all.
    [First_Incision] yes, county, that is why we are ridiculing it
    [county] I can't imagine anyone would want it.
    [Yanni] see MPG
    [Yanni] video of breasts
    [Yanni] being kneeded
    [Yanni] 1.4 MB ]
    [county] Frankly, I'm just not seeing a niche market between masturbation and actual women.
    [county] Those two seem to have the demand pretty much satisfied.
    [Yanni] perhaps it will become an appliance as common as a refrigerator or microwave oven
    [county] For $920, you could have a girlfriend for a month or two.
    [Yanni] reading into a little, these dolls talk, have articulated skeletons
    [county] For $920, you could masturbate for decades!
    [First_Incision] the e-conomy is all about inventing niche markets that don't exist.
    [Yanni] $920 would get you 2 hours with a clean-ish whore
    [county] For $920 I could buy a fancy hat that would get that wonderful bus girl to notice me.
    [county] I'm having scads of fun falling in infatuation with girls from the bus. I hadn't anticipated this at all, but it's immensely enjoyable.
    [Yanni] for $920 / month, you could afford a fancy enough car to get a bell town beauty
    [county] Oh boy!
    [Yanni] Final warning to Vladequacy. (Score:0)
    [Yanni] by Anonymous Coward on 11-15-02 07:28 PM (#4683239)
    [county] I hope that little feud doesn't end bloodlessly.
    [First_Incision] 01,9904 01I hate it when I forget about dinner and get hungry late at night01,99
    [county] Have some beans.
    [First_Incision] I don't keep food stocked. I suppose I must go get some food from a local muslim late-nite eatery
    [county] Why don't you keep food stocked?
    [First_Incision] because I live off of fast food.
    [county] Oh.
    [Yanni] a med student
    [Yanni] perhaps fat
    [county] I buy a pre-prepared meal once each week.
    [First_Incision] I have put on 15 pounds since I started.
    [Yanni] Margeret Thatcher has ingested my semen. _five times_.
    [county] Every Sunday, I purchase a gyro.
    [First_Incision] I shall return with hommos
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    [county] It seems that buying one's meals would get expensive.
    [Yanni] (snicker). he said homos
    [county] Do you have the Mrs. cook for you, Yanni?
    [Yanni] mostly
    [Yanni] i sometimes prefer to get a beef-based product though
    [Yanni] she'll only do chicken if she's cooking for us
    [county] Do you two ever compromise on pork?
    [Yanni] Vladequacy
    [Yanni] no. she doesn't like to eat mammals
    [Yanni] trollaxor is gone berserk
    [county] I don't eat much beef.
    [county] Chicken and pork, mostly, and some lamb.
    [shoeboy] cock!
    [county] Don't eat much of that, no.
    [shoeboy] sulla does
    * shoeboy is going home
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    [wsl3] Jesus H Christ, what the fuck is going on in trolltalk???
    [county] Why not read it and find out?
    [Yanni] I am about to post a doozy
    *** Yanni is now known as momocrome
    [county] What's trolltalk's URL, by the way?
    [momocrome] what would be a slick way of 'proclaiming a royal blacklist' for the phoneboy cabal?
    [momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721
    [county] Tell them that Vladinator is now officially displeased with them.
    [momocrome] I am coming at them as the rightful King of trolltalk
    [bc] ha! I got 0ed
    [momocrome] because years ago, I won the battle of the sids
    [bc] my post is invisible :(
    [momocrome] :|
    [county] =)
    [county] I 0ed you.
    [wsl3] heh
    [bc] bastard, county
    [bc] unzero me!
    [county] I can't!
    [momocrome] bah!
    [bc] why not?
    [wsl3] Yeah, tell them that Vlad's going to unleash the full power of Vladiquacy on thier asses.
    [momocrome] county is hardly the 'trusted user'! ! !
    [wsl3] LOL
    [county] Because your post deserved a 0.
    [bc] why?
    [wsl3] Why on earth did they lump you guys in with me anyway?
    [county] Actually, momocrome, I have a quite famous account that's trusted.
    [county] I'm just telling stories, bc :(
    [wsl3] bc - url? I'll 5 it for ballance.
    [county] I haven't 0 anything in ages.
    [bc] http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2002/11/15/17928/ 674/46#46
    [bc] there
    [bc] invisible :((
    [bc] I always get picked on
    [county] You were trolled by infinitera?
    [county] Oh man.
    [bc] who 0ed me anyway, vlad?
    [wsl3] bc - I don't know - I'm no longer TU it seems thanks to those assholes. :-(
    [bc] heh
    [county] I stand stride the storm, untouched by it! I will never be robbed of trustedness!
    [wsl3] I shall now have to start yet another k5 account with which to gain TU back.
    [county] "astride"
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    [wsl3] Or rather, have Dave do it since I'm on K5 restriction. :-)
    [First_Incision] praise Allah, hommos!
    [wsl3] So seriously, when did this bullshit "Vladiquacy" malarky start poping up?
    [county] You're spelling it incorrectly, big guy.
    [wsl3] Oh, Vladaquacy?
    [wsl3] s/Vladiquacy/Vladaquacy then.
    [momocrome] here, I will post my post
    [county] That spelling still doesn't make sense.
    [county] "Vladequacy" is the only reasonable spelling.
    [momocrome] vladequacy
    [county] I should know, too, for I am osm.
    [wsl3] Well well well. Hello Phone Boy.
    [momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 368
    [county] Hello, Vlad.
    [wsl3] So it was you.
    [momocrome] it will just get flooded off the page, judging by recent activity
    [wsl3] Why?
    [momocrome] but I have cast my lot
    [wsl3] Sweet! You even posted it loged in!
    [county] Why? Be more specific.
    [momocrome] oh yes
    [momocrome] I left you out of it
    [momocrome] vlad,
    [wsl3] Why did you do this? I don't recall ever even pissing you off directly. You've always been around, but we've never really bumped into one another so to speak.
    [wsl3] momocrome: I'm talking to county actually.
    [momocrome] bah
    [momocrome] I know, and I think you are getting your chain pulled
    [county] Vladinator, you're just really, really irritating. I don't know how else to put it.
    [momocrome] if county is osm, I am spiralx
    [wsl3] lol
    [momocrome] corpus memento
    [wsl3] hard to tell, he's on attbi and is cloaked (like me).
    [wsl3] county: I'm not suprised that you would say that... That still doesn't prove you're OSM.
    [county] Just like momocrome.
    [momocrome] aww.
    [wsl3] momo I know and can vouch for.
    [county] I don't feel the need to prove anything. Anyway, why are you not surprised? Are you aware that most people find you extremely obnoxious?
    [wsl3] county == qpt much more likely.
    [wsl3] You sound like him/her/it anyway
    [wsl3] momo - that was great.
    [county] momocrome, you're getting hit on.
    [momocrome] it is too weak
    [momocrome] knee jerk
    [momocrome] I have to go through the frozen lasagna in the oven. bbiab
    [First_Incision] I like how Fox News doesn't respect Godwin's Law
    [First_Incision] The INS is letting in illegal immigrants. They are following orders from Congress and the President. "Just like Nazi Germany"
    [First_Incision] letting in immigrants, like Nazi Germany?
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    [county] I really need to work up the courage to talk to one of these bus babes.
    [county] They really are fantastic.
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    [Sulla] blh
    [county] In fact, entirely apart from the bus, I'm surrounded by babes, none of whom I talk to :(
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    [county] What's wrong with me?
    [Sulla] are you shy?
    [county] I blame society.
    [county] And bc.
    [county] Am I shy.
    [county] That's an interesting question.
    [Sulla] I'm not in society? :(
    [county] Yes and no, really.
    [momocrome] ah, the real hit to my post has appeared
    [county] I'm mostly just shy around women I'm attracted to.
    [Sulla] so reserved rather than inhibited?
    [wsl3] That latest one is too long to read...
    [wsl3] We need something new in there already...
    [wsl3] Hey, I know...
    [wsl3] ...
    [county] Generally, yes, Sulla.
    [wsl3] Much better.
    [county] And when I do talk to women I'm attracted to, I'm just biting and cutting.
    [wsl3] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 466
    [county] Boy, do they have your number! ==] William Scott "Pinkrectum Floyd" Lockwood III
    [wsl3] That was a dodge anyway - I've been very careful not to violate the terms of the agreement with that account. :-)
    [wsl3] It worked VERY well.
    [momocrome] vlad, I'd bet you could get taco to release log data regarding these current posts
    [wsl3] Nope.
    [wsl3] Tried.
    [wsl3] Was told they don't keep those details, and to talk to their lawyer.
    [momocrome] write him again, just with the links
    [momocrome] and say, look man. these are actual crimes
    [momocrome] slander, harassment, etc
    [momocrome] it will at least get taco into the mix
    [momocrome] it would be fun to see him post to trolltalk again
    [wsl3] Been there, done that. His only response was "I know it sucks, but they've done it to me too."
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    [wsl3] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 512
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    [yap] can i spill some rap in here
    [wsl3] sURE
    [wsl3] Why not?
    [yap] maybe later
    [yap] im thinking i should read up on a subject
    [yap] to impress people i will meet
    [yap] in the future
    [wsl3] taxonomy.
    [wsl3] That's a good one.
    [yap] hold on
    [yap] httP://www.yourdictionary.com
    [wsl3] bbiab
    * wsl3 &
    [yap] och
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    [First_Incision] luisa awakens?
    [luisa|||] no.
    [county] Enter the luisa.
    [First_Incision] this commercial really makes me want to go to Bermuda. It's truly effective advertising.
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    [momocrome] county, so harsh!
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    [First_Incision] Edmund Hilary? Pitching SUVs?
    [county] Harsh, momocrome? When? How?
    [momocrome] coy?
    [momocrome] i see how it is!
    [momocrome] you are the only person who knows I might have used to have a mustqang automobile!
    [county] I'm really confused!
    [momocrome] of course I realize it isn't a mustqang
    [momocrome] and I suppose you aren't the only person
    [county] I don't have any idea what you're talking about :(
    [momocrome] there is a mean post in trolltalk telling me to 'go peel out in your mustang and shut the fuck up'
    [momocrome] and I was being so nice.
    [county] Oh.
    [county] That isn't me.
    [momocrome] of course
    [county] However, I get the feeling that someone who hangs out in here is being nasty in trolltalk.
    [momocrome] I was just hoping to drag this silly drama into slashnet. or not.
    [county] I take out all my aggression on on darling little luisa.
    [momocrome] it must be 70% or em!
    [momocrome] you guys please don't suck like that. thanks in advance.
    [momocrome] oh dear. If I am going to play in trolltalk, drink and chat in here, I really aught to pick only two.
    [sleepingurl] drinking is silly
    [momocrome] my apologies
    *** sleepingurl is now known as luisa||||
    [county] Drinking is essential.
    [luisa||||] i wish i hadn't gotten home so late
    [county] Why?
    [luisa||||] now i can't go out carousing
    [county] What were you out doing before?
    [luisa||||] hanging out at a friend's house
    [First_Incision] haha, I'm watching a thing on police snipers. They are shooting at baloons pulled by remote control toy trucks
    [county] I am engaging in mental and emotional flagellation.
    [luisa||||] my brother's in jail
    [county] For what?
    [luisa||||] which means he is unemployed again
    [First_Incision] luisa||||: seriously? what did he do, or what is he acused of?
    [luisa||||] he had a warrant
    [county] If he would just go to prison, he could have a job making license plates.
    [luisa||||] because he was stupid and failed to sort a prior ticket
    [momocrome] a warrant for love.
    [luisa||||] nah, it was a moving violation, not criminal stuff
    [luisa||||] that's what makes it so stupid
    [First_Incision] but failure to appear in court?
    [luisa||||] yeah, but they took their time issuing the warrant
    [luisa||||] like months
    [First_Incision] yeah, it's an overworked/overcrowded system
    [luisa||||] so he figured he could coast until he saved enough to pay it off
    [luisa||||] no, small towns are slow to issue, big cities are quick to
    [First_Incision] do you live with your brother?
    [luisa||||] god, no
    [luisa||||] i moved out last month
    [First_Incision] ok
    [First_Incision] are they gonna set a bail?
    [First_Incision] I could see luisa|||| getting a romantic involvement with a bounty hunter from all of this. It would make a good movie.
    [luisa||||] haha
    [luisa||||] most bounty hunters are not Extremely Attractive
    [First_Incision] I've never known any
    [county] I happen to hunt bounties.
    [luisa||||] stop lying
    [First_Incision] his lies are always worth telling
    [luisa||||] haha
    [First_Incision] heh, secret service snipers shooting at grassy knolls
    [luisa||||] christ i'm hungry
    [First_Incision] you should visit your local all-nite muslim eatery, and get some hommos. It worked for me.
    [luisa||||] hummus, darling
    [luisa||||] and the nearby all night ethnic place is greek here
    [luisa||||] so it would be gyros
    [First_Incision] that's how they spell it on the menu at my local restaurant. I think Usamah has taught us that u's and o's are the same thing
    [county] I'll post your brother's bail, luisa, if you'll make me something with lamb while wearing a too-short skirt.
    [county] Deal?
    [luisa||||] i would do that for no charge whatsoever
    [First_Incision] hey, you're Texan. I'll post his bail if you introduce me to a Bush daughter
    [luisa||||] hahaha
    [luisa||||] those girls are hard-drinking hussies
    [luisa||||] whatever would you want with them?
    [county] First_Incision needs a hard-drinking hussy.
    [First_Incision] Republican beeotches. Irresistable
    [luisa||||] heheh
    [First_Incision] They have political connections!
    [First_Incision] "Meeting the parents" would entail meeting the most powerful man in the world!
    [luisa||||] uh, he's a figurehead
    [county] For who?
    [county] Please don't say the Illuminati.
    [First_Incision] and that's a reason not to date his daughter?
    [county] Are his daughters attractive?
    [First_Incision] The Illuminati are irrelavant. It's all Al Quaeda now.
    [First_Incision] county: yes.
    [county] The more vowels that can be included in the spelling of "Al Quaeiedaa," the better, I say.
    [First_Incision] http://www.newsrebel.com/Images/bush_daughters_pri celess_reduced.jpg
    [First_Incision] Al Quaeda is the real-life world conspiracy.
    [county] Is that them?
    [county] They look drunk.
    [First_Incision] yeah
    [First_Incision] they are always drunk.
    [county] I don't find hard-drinking women appealing.
    [momocrome] those girls have caused untold suffering and terror?
    [First_Incision] I find it reassuring that when Western Civilization finally implodes, it will be replaced by a global Caliphate, and not some lame Asian thing.
    [First_Incision] or, E. Asian, I should say.
    [momocrome] I think China is in the lead
    [momocrome] they just hired a new guy to capitalize things
    [First_Incision] China=COMMUNISM. There's no way.
    [momocrome] nope
    [momocrome] Zemin just retired and they put an MBA in place

  71. VLADEQUACY RAW & UNCUT 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    [momocrome] hmm
    [Sulla] I've had enough of subtlety, county
    [dmg] hey tarque
    [Sulla] I've had a long week
    [dmg] you seem to be in belgium
    [dmg] or is that brazil ?
    [Sulla] isn't br brazil?
    [dmg] i think so
    [momocrome] microsoft MSN has parental controls with age-specific settings like 'preteen' and 'teen'.
    [momocrome] it is like a menu system for pederasts
    [momocrome] I guess it would work for the FBI just as well
    [First_Incision] have you ever wondered who is the narc on #adequacy?
    [momocrome] the two groups will be the only ones in the chatrooms marked 'safe'
    [momocrome] certainly
    [momocrome] it could be me!
    [Mohammed_Iqbal] I WANT TO GO HOME!
    *** Mohammed_Iqbal is now known as shoeboy
    [shoeboy] I don't want to be at work anymore
    [momocrome] take a deep breath
    [momocrome] they are ripping on you in trolltalk, shoeboy
    [momocrome] perhaps you can strike back and burn off a little steam
    [dmg] #adequacy is not what it seems First Incision.
    [dmg] You are dealing with powers that you cannot begin to comprehend.
    [shoeboy] why should I care?
    [Lumpen] Where is trolltalk?
    [momocrome] I don't think you should 'care', per se, just a way to blow off steam I thought I'd suggest
    [momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721
    [dmg] momocrome, that is top secret information.
    [dmg] don't just spread it around like that.
    [momocrome] gahsp!
    [momocrome] my apologies. Lumpen, looks like you lucked out
    [Lumpen] Oh. It's a slashdot thing. Blah.
    [shoeboy] someone's been viewing my amazon.com user page
    [shoeboy] hrm.. stockton's got 4 turnovers at the half
    [shoeboy] fuck
    [dmg] night all. Off to do some Top Secret MI6 work
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    [shoeboy] oh yeah, some little nigger was ridiculing my shoes on the bus this morning
    [shoeboy] that was obnoxious
    [Sulla] what are your shoes like?
    [shoeboy] New Ballance running shoes
    [Sulla] trainers?
    [shoeboy] yeah
    [First_Incision] riding the bus, how communist
    [Sulla] I don't blame him
    [shoeboy] bah
    [First_Incision] "trainers", there's a UKism for you.
    [shoeboy] he was dressed like your typical urban black
    [Sulla] anyone who wears trainers anywhere, though especially on a bus, deserves all they get
    [First_Incision] they're sneakers, dammit. For sneaking up on the redcoats
    [shoeboy] and looked like a clown college dropout
    [Sulla] locally they get called sanshoes, FI, I actually thought I was using a USianism so you'd understand
    [First_Incision] haha. I've actually never heard a non-UK person say trainers before.
    [Lumpen] I call them "nigger boots."
    [county] I think I'd just break down if some little nigger ridiculed my shoes.
    [Sulla] you lot are acomplete disgrace
    [county] Are we?
    [First_Incision] somebody needs to ridicule my shoes. I deserve it.
    [First_Incision] http://www.converse.com/shop/shop.asp?cat=sc
    [county] I like my shoes.
    [Sulla] Yes, county
    [county] I wear black leather boots.
    [First_Incision] My shoes are ugly as shit, but comfortable as heaven
    [county] Mine look mighty sharp.
    [Sulla] my shoes are black, leather, and constricting. They punish my feet, covering them in blisters and blood. I deserve it, though, and it is morally improving
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    [county] Mine are similar, Sulla, but they don't draw blood.
    *** Sulla is now known as bc
    [county] Or cause blisters, really.
    [county] They're stern, though.
    [bc] mine really do
    [bc] fucking agony, they are
    [First_Incision] mine are like walking on pillows
    [county] I've walked over five miles a day in mine without blisters, just soreness.
    [county] When they were brand new, though, they caused blisters.
    [county] I had to break them, though! And they had to break me.
    [county] It was very sexual.
    [bc] I do more than 5 miles usually, and by God, every step is pain
    [bc] every step sends shockwaves of sheer agony around my foot and up my leg
    [county] Why don't you get more comfortable shoes?
    [bc] and after my ritual 5000 steps every day, I feel like a new man. I feel improved. I feel like the sin has been flushed out.
    [bc] because I deserve the agony, county
    [bc] I'm a bad fellow, and this is my self imposed cross
    [First_Incision] http://www.panama-jack.com/havanajoe/INGLES/colecc ion/categories/men/adventure/pages/classic1.htm
    [county] Anyway, I'm going to tell my story about female cruelty on the bus.
    [bc] to bear
    [county] I get on the bus with four other girls, three of them are together.
    [county] I mean with four girls.
    [First_Incision] I also have a pair of these that are 3 years old, I trust they will last my whole life.
    [county] I'm a guy, of course. Heh.
    [county] The lone girl tries to be friendly with the three, and they're quite terse and rude, and then when she gets off, they spend the next five minutes mocking her.
    [county] It made me weep.
    [bc] Yes. You'd never do something like that, of course.
    [county] I wouldn't.
    [county] She was quite pretty, too.
    [county] Her face had a strange, intense look to it.
    [bc] perhaps you should have recorded the conversation the girl had and slipped it into her pocket anonymously come monday
    [bc] girl/girls
    [county] Her voice and attitude were intoxicating in their simplicity and ingenuousness!
    [county] And I will never see her again :(
    [county] The other girls were ill-formed masses of pimpled, greasy, misshapen flesh.
    [county] The soul truly is reflected in the face and body.
    *** momocrome is now known as Yanni
    [shoeboy] indeed
    [bc] Fascinating county, but, considering that you have shown your capcity for malice here many times, I suspect that while you doubtless thought this girl pure and interesting, you in fact liked her because she was similar to yourself (the usual reason for attraction) - full of malice. I suspect the criticism of the other girls (who were likely good, and therefore opposed to you, and quite alien) was justified.
    [shoeboy] this is why I can't wipe the smirk off my face no matter how hard I try
    [county] I didn't see any reason to suppose this girl courted malice, bc.
    [county] Anyway, I think it's been well-established that I can't take it, at all.
    [county] I wouldn't be attracted to a cruel person.
    * Yanni is the man for you, county
    [county] Sorry, Yanni, I don't like fatties.
    [Yanni] I will sooth your soul.
    [Yanni] I am not fat!
    [county] 225 lbs is pretty damn fat.
    [Yanni] http://www.physics.drexel.edu/~kim/yanni.GIF
    [bc] marry me?
    [Yanni] I am intensely well muscled, by nature.
    [Yanni] and at a firm 6'2", can hardly be counted amongst the fatties
    [county] I'm 6'2", though.
    [Yanni] you are a bean pole
    [Yanni] 160 lbs?
    [county] bc, I feel like such a wretched fool for not talking to this girl and getting rejected!
    [county] No, more like 170-175.
    [Yanni] hey, you guys want to know a secret?
    [Yanni] Luisa is a man. a cowboy, no less.
    [bc] The value of work is socially defined, and usually done so for the benefit of those in charge; those with the most power and influence. --Infinitera
    [bc] Is he retarded????????
    [county] No, he's correct.
    [bc] Shut up.
    [county] Also, I'd like to point out the Gun N' Roses is the best band ever.
    [county] Would you hit it? http://www.cyborgasmatrix.com/
    [First_Incision] that's anatomically correct? No, I would not hit it. Not even a real woman that looked like that.
    [county] The face made me laugh.
    [Yanni] be sure to visit the torso gallery
    [county] I didn't get past the front page.
    [county] I figured it couldn't get any better!
    [Yanni] this is horrifying
    [First_Incision] when's the Internet going to bring about the downfall of western civillization. It seems to be about time now.
    [Yanni] Available
    [Yanni] Now!
    [Yanni] Torso with head starts at $920
    [Yanni] no arms or legs with that
    [county] Oh, no!
    [county] It's wrong that they would sell that.
    [county] The whole idea of a fake woman is ridiculous.
    [Yanni] you can buy just the upper torso
    [Yanni] $395 for breasts and shoulders only
    [county] I wonder if they've had any takers at all.
    [First_Incision] yes, county, that is why we are ridiculing it
    [county] I can't imagine anyone would want it.
    [Yanni] see MPG
    [Yanni] video of breasts
    [Yanni] being kneeded
    [Yanni] 1.4 MB ]
    [county] Frankly, I'm just not seeing a niche market between masturbation and actual women.
    [county] Those two seem to have the demand pretty much satisfied.
    [Yanni] perhaps it will become an appliance as common as a refrigerator or microwave oven
    [county] For $920, you could have a girlfriend for a month or two.
    [Yanni] reading into a little, these dolls talk, have articulated skeletons
    [county] For $920, you could masturbate for decades!
    [First_Incision] the e-conomy is all about inventing niche markets that don't exist.
    [Yanni] $920 would get you 2 hours with a clean-ish whore
    [county] For $920 I could buy a fancy hat that would get that wonderful bus girl to notice me.
    [county] I'm having scads of fun falling in infatuation with girls from the bus. I hadn't anticipated this at all, but it's immensely enjoyable.
    [Yanni] for $920 / month, you could afford a fancy enough car to get a bell town beauty
    [county] Oh boy!
    [Yanni] Final warning to Vladequacy. (Score:0)
    [Yanni] by Anonymous Coward on 11-15-02 07:28 PM (#4683239)
    [county] I hope that little feud doesn't end bloodlessly.
    [First_Incision] 01,9904 01I hate it when I forget about dinner and get hungry late at night01,99
    [county] Have some beans.
    [First_Incision] I don't keep food stocked. I suppose I must go get some food from a local muslim late-nite eatery
    [county] Why don't you keep food stocked?
    [First_Incision] because I live off of fast food.
    [county] Oh.
    [Yanni] a med student
    [Yanni] perhaps fat
    [county] I buy a pre-prepared meal once each week.
    [First_Incision] I have put on 15 pounds since I started.
    [Yanni] Margeret Thatcher has ingested my semen. _five times_.
    [county] Every Sunday, I purchase a gyro.
    [First_Incision] I shall return with hommos
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    [county] It seems that buying one's meals would get expensive.
    [Yanni] (snicker). he said homos
    [county] Do you have the Mrs. cook for you, Yanni?
    [Yanni] mostly
    [Yanni] i sometimes prefer to get a beef-based product though
    [Yanni] she'll only do chicken if she's cooking for us
    [county] Do you two ever compromise on pork?
    [Yanni] Vladequacy
    [Yanni] no. she doesn't like to eat mammals
    [Yanni] trollaxor is gone berserk
    [county] I don't eat much beef.
    [county] Chicken and pork, mostly, and some lamb.
    [shoeboy] cock!
    [county] Don't eat much of that, no.
    [shoeboy] sulla does
    * shoeboy is going home
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    [wsl3] Jesus H Christ, what the fuck is going on in trolltalk???
    [county] Why not read it and find out?
    [Yanni] I am about to post a doozy
    *** Yanni is now known as momocrome
    [county] What's trolltalk's URL, by the way?
    [momocrome] what would be a slick way of 'proclaiming a royal blacklist' for the phoneboy cabal?
    [momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721
    [county] Tell them that Vladinator is now officially displeased with them.
    [momocrome] I am coming at them as the rightful King of trolltalk
    [bc] ha! I got 0ed
    [momocrome] because years ago, I won the battle of the sids
    [bc] my post is invisible :(
    [momocrome] :|
    [county] =)
    [county] I 0ed you.
    [wsl3] heh
    [bc] bastard, county
    [bc] unzero me!
    [county] I can't!
    [momocrome] bah!
    [bc] why not?
    [wsl3] Yeah, tell them that Vlad's going to unleash the full power of Vladiquacy on thier asses.
    [momocrome] county is hardly the 'trusted user'! ! !
    [wsl3] LOL
    [county] Because your post deserved a 0.
    [bc] why?
    [wsl3] Why on earth did they lump you guys in with me anyway?
    [county] Actually, momocrome, I have a quite famous account that's trusted.
    [county] I'm just telling stories, bc :(
    [wsl3] bc - url? I'll 5 it for ballance.
    [county] I haven't 0 anything in ages.
    [bc] http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2002/11/15/17928/ 674/46#46
    [bc] there
    [bc] invisible :((
    [bc] I always get picked on
    [county] You were trolled by infinitera?
    [county] Oh man.
    [bc] who 0ed me anyway, vlad?
    [wsl3] bc - I don't know - I'm no longer TU it seems thanks to those assholes. :-(
    [bc] heh
    [county] I stand stride the storm, untouched by it! I will never be robbed of trustedness!
    [wsl3] I shall now have to start yet another k5 account with which to gain TU back.
    [county] "astride"
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    [wsl3] Or rather, have Dave do it since I'm on K5 restriction. :-)
    [First_Incision] praise Allah, hommos!
    [wsl3] So seriously, when did this bullshit "Vladiquacy" malarky start poping up?
    [county] You're spelling it incorrectly, big guy.
    [wsl3] Oh, Vladaquacy?
    [wsl3] s/Vladiquacy/Vladaquacy then.
    [momocrome] here, I will post my post
    [county] That spelling still doesn't make sense.
    [county] "Vladequacy" is the only reasonable spelling.
    [momocrome] vladequacy
    [county] I should know, too, for I am osm.
    [wsl3] Well well well. Hello Phone Boy.
    [momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 368
    [county] Hello, Vlad.
    [wsl3] So it was you.
    [momocrome] it will just get flooded off the page, judging by recent activity
    [wsl3] Why?
    [momocrome] but I have cast my lot
    [wsl3] Sweet! You even posted it loged in!
    [county] Why? Be more specific.
    [momocrome] oh yes
    [momocrome] I left you out of it
    [momocrome] vlad,
    [wsl3] Why did you do this? I don't recall ever even pissing you off directly. You've always been around, but we've never really bumped into one another so to speak.
    [wsl3] momocrome: I'm talking to county actually.
    [momocrome] bah
    [momocrome] I know, and I think you are getting your chain pulled
    [county] Vladinator, you're just really, really irritating. I don't know how else to put it.
    [momocrome] if county is osm, I am spiralx
    [wsl3] lol
    [momocrome] corpus memento
    [wsl3] hard to tell, he's on attbi and is cloaked (like me).
    [wsl3] county: I'm not suprised that you would say that... That still doesn't prove you're OSM.
    [county] Just like momocrome.
    [momocrome] aww.
    [wsl3] momo I know and can vouch for.
    [county] I don't feel the need to prove anything. Anyway, why are you not surprised? Are you aware that most people find you extremely obnoxious?
    [wsl3] county == qpt much more likely.
    [wsl3] You sound like him/her/it anyway
    [wsl3] momo - that was great.
    [county] momocrome, you're getting hit on.
    [momocrome] it is too weak
    [momocrome] knee jerk
    [momocrome] I have to go through the frozen lasagna in the oven. bbiab
    [First_Incision] I like how Fox News doesn't respect Godwin's Law
    [First_Incision] The INS is letting in illegal immigrants. They are following orders from Congress and the President. "Just like Nazi Germany"
    [First_Incision] letting in immigrants, like Nazi Germany?
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    [county] I really need to work up the courage to talk to one of these bus babes.
    [county] They really are fantastic.
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    [Sulla] blh
    [county] In fact, entirely apart from the bus, I'm surrounded by babes, none of whom I talk to :(
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    [county] What's wrong with me?
    [Sulla] are you shy?
    [county] I blame society.
    [county] And bc.
    [county] Am I shy.
    [county] That's an interesting question.
    [Sulla] I'm not in society? :(
    [county] Yes and no, really.
    [momocrome] ah, the real hit to my post has appeared
    [county] I'm mostly just shy around women I'm attracted to.
    [Sulla] so reserved rather than inhibited?
    [wsl3] That latest one is too long to read...
    [wsl3] We need something new in there already...
    [wsl3] Hey, I know...
    [wsl3] ...
    [county] Generally, yes, Sulla.
    [wsl3] Much better.
    [county] And when I do talk to women I'm attracted to, I'm just biting and cutting.
    [wsl3] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 466
    [county] Boy, do they have your number! ==] William Scott "Pinkrectum Floyd" Lockwood III
    [wsl3] That was a dodge anyway - I've been very careful not to violate the terms of the agreement with that account. :-)
    [wsl3] It worked VERY well.
    [momocrome] vlad, I'd bet you could get taco to release log data regarding these current posts
    [wsl3] Nope.
    [wsl3] Tried.
    [wsl3] Was told they don't keep those details, and to talk to their lawyer.
    [momocrome] write him again, just with the links
    [momocrome] and say, look man. these are actual crimes
    [momocrome] slander, harassment, etc
    [momocrome] it will at least get taco into the mix
    [momocrome] it would be fun to see him post to trolltalk again
    [wsl3] Been there, done that. His only response was "I know it sucks, but they've done it to me too."
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    [wsl3] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 512
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    [yap] can i spill some rap in here
    [wsl3] sURE
    [wsl3] Why not?
    [yap] maybe later
    [yap] im thinking i should read up on a subject
    [yap] to impress people i will meet
    [yap] in the future
    [wsl3] taxonomy.
    [wsl3] That's a good one.
    [yap] hold on
    [yap] httP://www.yourdictionary.com
    [wsl3] bbiab
    * wsl3 &
    [yap] och
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    [First_Incision] luisa awakens?
    [luisa|||] no.
    [county] Enter the luisa.
    [First_Incision] this commercial really makes me want to go to Bermuda. It's truly effective advertising.
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    [momocrome] county, so harsh!
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    [First_Incision] Edmund Hilary? Pitching SUVs?
    [county] Harsh, momocrome? When? How?
    [momocrome] coy?
    [momocrome] i see how it is!
    [momocrome] you are the only person who knows I might have used to have a mustqang automobile!
    [county] I'm really confused!
    [momocrome] of course I realize it isn't a mustqang
    [momocrome] and I suppose you aren't the only person
    [county] I don't have any idea what you're talking about :(
    [momocrome] there is a mean post in trolltalk telling me to 'go peel out in your mustang and shut the fuck up'
    [momocrome] and I was being so nice.
    [county] Oh.
    [county] That isn't me.
    [momocrome] of course
    [county] However, I get the feeling that someone who hangs out in here is being nasty in trolltalk.
    [momocrome] I was just hoping to drag this silly drama into slashnet. or not.
    [county] I take out all my aggression on on darling little luisa.
    [momocrome] it must be 70% or em!
    [momocrome] you guys please don't suck like that. thanks in advance.
    [momocrome] oh dear. If I am going to play in trolltalk, drink and chat in here, I really aught to pick only two.
    [sleepingurl] drinking is silly
    [momocrome] my apologies
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    [county] Drinking is essential.
    [luisa||||] i wish i hadn't gotten home so late
    [county] Why?
    [luisa||||] now i can't go out carousing
    [county] What were you out doing before?
    [luisa||||] hanging out at a friend's house
    [First_Incision] haha, I'm watching a thing on police snipers. They are shooting at baloons pulled by remote control toy trucks
    [county] I am engaging in mental and emotional flagellation.
    [luisa||||] my brother's in jail
    [county] For what?
    [luisa||||] which means he is unemployed again
    [First_Incision] luisa||||: seriously? what did he do, or what is he acused of?
    [luisa||||] he had a warrant
    [county] If he would just go to prison, he could have a job making license plates.
    [luisa||||] because he was stupid and failed to sort a prior ticket
    [momocrome] a warrant for love.
    [luisa||||] nah, it was a moving violation, not criminal stuff
    [luisa||||] that's what makes it so stupid
    [First_Incision] but failure to appear in court?
    [luisa||||] yeah, but they took their time issuing the warrant
    [luisa||||] like months
    [First_Incision] yeah, it's an overworked/overcrowded system
    [luisa||||] so he figured he could coast until he saved enough to pay it off
    [luisa||||] no, small towns are slow to issue, big cities are quick to
    [First_Incision] do you live with your brother?
    [luisa||||] god, no
    [luisa||||] i moved out last month
    [First_Incision] ok
    [First_Incision] are they gonna set a bail?
    [First_Incision] I could see luisa|||| getting a romantic involvement with a bounty hunter from all of this. It would make a good movie.
    [luisa||||] haha
    [luisa||||] most bounty hunters are not Extremely Attractive
    [First_Incision] I've never known any
    [county] I happen to hunt bounties.
    [luisa||||] stop lying
    [First_Incision] his lies are always worth telling
    [luisa||||] haha
    [First_Incision] heh, secret service snipers shooting at grassy knolls
    [luisa||||] christ i'm hungry
    [First_Incision] you should visit your local all-nite muslim eatery, and get some hommos. It worked for me.
    [luisa||||] hummus, darling
    [luisa||||] and the nearby all night ethnic place is greek here
    [luisa||||] so it would be gyros
    [First_Incision] that's how they spell it on the menu at my local restaurant. I think Usamah has taught us that u's and o's are the same thing
    [county] I'll post your brother's bail, luisa, if you'll make me something with lamb while wearing a too-short skirt.
    [county] Deal?
    [luisa||||] i would do that for no charge whatsoever
    [First_Incision] hey, you're Texan. I'll post his bail if you introduce me to a Bush daughter
    [luisa||||] hahaha
    [luisa||||] those girls are hard-drinking hussies
    [luisa||||] whatever would you want with them?
    [county] First_Incision needs a hard-drinking hussy.
    [First_Incision] Republican beeotches. Irresistable
    [luisa||||] heheh
    [First_Incision] They have political connections!
    [First_Incision] "Meeting the parents" would entail meeting the most powerful man in the world!
    [luisa||||] uh, he's a figurehead
    [county] For who?
    [county] Please don't say the Illuminati.
    [First_Incision] and that's a reason not to date his daughter?
    [county] Are his daughters attractive?
    [First_Incision] The Illuminati are irrelavant. It's all Al Quaeda now.
    [First_Incision] county: yes.
    [county] The more vowels that can be included in the spelling of "Al Quaeiedaa," the better, I say.
    [First_Incision] http://www.newsrebel.com/Images/bush_daughters_pri celess_reduced.jpg
    [First_Incision] Al Quaeda is the real-life world conspiracy.
    [county] Is that them?
    [county] They look drunk.
    [First_Incision] yeah
    [First_Incision] they are always drunk.
    [county] I don't find hard-drinking women appealing.
    [momocrome] those girls have caused untold suffering and terror?
    [First_Incision] I find it reassuring that when Western Civilization finally implodes, it will be replaced by a global Caliphate, and not some lame Asian thing.
    [First_Incision] or, E. Asian, I should say.
    [momocrome] I think China is in the lead
    [momocrome] they just hired a new guy to capitalize things
    [First_Incision] China=COMMUNISM. There's no way.
    [momocrome] nope
    [momocrome] Zemin just retired and they put an MBA in place

  72. VLADEQUACY RAW & UNCUT 9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    [luisa|||] i don't know if i can ever be that weak and female
    [luisa|||] i.e. find a guy worth that loss
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    [county] Why is it weak to confess your feelings to the one you feel for?
    [luisa|||] because then they've got you in the knees
    [luisa|||] why should i always be the one who cares the most?
    [luisa|||] and on top of that, have to cop to it?
    [Linux] hey grewat, big cop bust outside
    [county] Because, luisa, somebody has to, and if it's them, you'll reject them.
    [county] I'm not seeing many other options. How about you?
    [Linux] shouting and threatening tones
    [Linux] I am going to go walk the dogs past the bust while drunk
    [county] What bust?
    [Linux] dunno
    [Linux] they are shouting at drunks, I think
    [county] Who?
    [Linux] maybe there will be death
    [Linux] cops
    [Linux] many of them
    [Linux] 8 cars at least
    [luisa|||] eek
    [Linux] maybe I'll get shot
    [county] There are 8 cop-cars full of cops shouting at drunks?
    [Linux] yes
    [Linux] two drunks by the sound of things
    [luisa|||] county, if i find a guy i consider my equal
    [luisa|||] it would all work out
    [Linux] they are right past the corner of my building
    [luisa|||] wait
    [luisa|||] eight cops, two drunks?
    [luisa|||] that is Not Right.
    [Linux] i think so
    * luisa||| waits for a cool song to come on
    [county] You've never met a guy who you consider your equal?
    [Linux] luisa|||, are you actually listening to radio broadcasts of popualr music?
    [county] I suppose that makes sense, actually. Most are probably your superior or inferior.
    [county] I think it's fairly obvious which side I fall on.
    [luisa|||] you could be inferior
    [luisa|||] but you probably know lots of things i don't
    [luisa|||] and you also are more productive in daily life
    [county] I am so far beyond you, luisa.
    [county] Come on.
    [luisa|||] i love cheesy 80s music
    [luisa|||] nah, you are just different
    [luisa|||] the measure would be if i made you feel weak and helplessly resentful
    [luisa|||] that's inferior
    [luisa|||] and only assessable face to face
    [Linux] luisa|||, you spin me twice 'round, baby.
    [county] If you made me feel weak and helplessly resentful? Haha.
    [luisa|||] well, anyone who feels like a lesser person probably is
    [luisa|||] or at least is not worth bothering with
    [em] you guys still going on about this? God.
    [county] Only a few people have made me inferior, and none of them were at all like you.
    [luisa|||] it is friday night and neither of us are out carousing, em
    [luisa|||] whatever did you expect would occur?
    [em] neither am I.
    [luisa|||] but you are at uni
    [county] em, have you been drinking?
    [em] well, I went to a chamber chorale concert.
    [em] county: not a drop
    [em] maybe I should.
    [county] Probably. It makes you more tolerant.
    [luisa|||] anyhow, county, it is all moot
    [luisa|||] i am not going to bed with you
    [luisa|||] so the question of whether you are inferior or not will never come up
    [county] I'm not going to bed with you. What of it?
    [county] Anyway, it has come up, and it's been settled. I'm superior.
    [luisa|||] if you feel that you are
    [luisa|||] i do rather want to go to bed
    [luisa|||] but i just finished supper
    * em wonders if he has anything edible in the fridge.
    [luisa|||] i have lovely soup i made from random ingredients
    [Linux] katsup is a vegetable
    [luisa|||] only for bachelors
    [luisa|||] lord, it is four am rising
    [county] It's "catsup" or "ketchup."
    [luisa|||] okbed
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    [Linux] night, wheesie
    [Linux] I am really nothing like a viking, btw
    [county] Oh, I'm sure.
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    [Marco`] Hi
    [Marco`] Anyone alive?
    * Marco` 's off
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    [me0w] g'morning
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    [bc] hello
    [me0w] Hi bc
    [bc] hellow me0wsy
    * bc was just in the pub
    [bc] and you know what?
    [me0w] What?
    [bc] a woman in her late forties started coming onto me something dreadful
    [bc] unlike some, I wasn't in the least tempted
    [me0w] Ahhh ... So you had no Mr.Buck temptations ..
    [bc] certainly not :)
    [me0w] Well done!
    [bc] it's not a great achievement, I think these things are in your nature.
    [bc] Either you adore OAP's, or you don't.
    [bc] cool
    [bc] scotland beat south africa at the rugby!
    [me0w] I think though, in Mr. Buck's case, he may have been wearing some good quality Beer Goggles.
    [bc] that's a point. Still, I did have 3 pints, I wasn't entirely sober, but probably not as many Mr Buck. I think alcohol just decreases your reserve, it doesn't make you suddenly find things attractive you don't while sober
    [bc] I mean, if you wake up after a night out with a member of your own sex (for example), it prolly says something
    * bc has some prawns
    [me0w] This is why everyone needs a voice of reason when drinking. I take mine along whenever I am going to be consuming cast quantities of alcohol (the voice of reason is also known as the designated driver).
    [bc] hehe
    [me0w] cast = vast
    [bc] strange, I don't have problems. In fact, I reject much more impressively and fullsomely when drunk than when sober. I don't need no stinkin' voice of reason!
    [me0w] When I am intoxicated I run across a problem .... my tongue feels funny and I like to lick things (people). I need a voice of reason to keep me out of trouble.
    [bc] haha! I remember you mentioning this before. That's an awful affliction, though prolly pretty amusing
    [me0w] And apparently I become quite the mischevious girl and for this I also need the voice.
    [bc] to stop you mixing it up too much? Playing tricks and pranks
    [me0w] And the licking ...
    [bc] this makes you sound like quite the handful when pissed
    [me0w] A giggly handful, yes.
    [me0w] That's why I need a voice of reason.
    [bc] I don't think I'm too bad when drunk. In fact, I'm often the voice of reason for other people, despite that we have all drunk hideous amounts. I'm just the same as usual, but more exhuberantly, I suppose. I think I have a good head for booze by nature, that's prolly why
    [bc] mm that was tasty
    [bc] post-prandial smoke time
    [me0w] enjoy
    * bc wonders whether to watch "contact" on dvd, which he has, but hasn't watched, though he read the book years ago
    [bc] which I liked, I liked the way it was all about revelation, and its validity
    [bc] the woman in it was sort of like a hardcore kurobot at first, you know, utterly logical positivist and materialist and dismissive of anything that can't be proved utterly, of revelation, till it all comes back and bites her when she has her own revelatory experience
    [me0w] I don't think I have ever seen this film.
    [bc] it's supposed to be decent.
    [bc] I think a lot of people hated it, and another lot of people loved it
    [me0w] I will have to add it to my must see list of films.
    [bc] it's a sort of SF thing, in a way, and I think a lot of the people who disliked it were expecting some usual guns'n'aliens shite
    [me0w] I normally don't watch 'alien' movies.
    [bc] it's not really like that. The book wasn't at least. It's set present day
    [bc] they discover an alien signal
    [bc] this woman does
    [bc] and there's lots of politics and argument about it
    [bc] and she is hardcore rationalist and dismissive of the religious people
    [bc] but in the end, she ends up having an experience that everybody doubts she had, a revelation..
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    [bc] hey ct
    [me0w] Good Afternoon Captain
    [bc] el capitano
    [Captain_Tenille] Ahoy
    [Captain_Tenille] What goes on in these parts?
    * Captain_Tenille finally got some sleep last night
    [bc] You are admirably offensive; you have won. I am offended, many times over. Now please, leave me the fuck alone. --infinitera
    [Captain_Tenille] ?
    [bc] I am not admirably offensive
    * Captain_Tenille wades through the k5rap
    [me0w] There was nothing interesting on K5 this morning
    [Captain_Tenille] Nope. Doesn't look like it.
    [Captain_Tenille] Yawn
    [Captain_Tenille] All right, time to make breakfast, I think
    [Captain_Tenille] I may be on later.
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    [me0w] they leave so quickly
    [bc] yes
    [me0w] I made coffee, but now I find I'm too lazy to go and pour it.
    [bc] Catch 22 then
    [bc] you need some caffeine to rouse you to pour it :\
    [me0w] I need to hire someone to make it for me.
    [me0w] But this person must agree to be paid in post-it notes as I have no funds.
    [me0w] My new site format seems to be coming along. I might actually like it.
    [bc] hehe
    * bc is writing a ranty comment
    [me0w] Will it be exciting?
    [bc] maybe if you like seeing infinitera being attacked, otherwise it's prolly not your thing
    [bc] it will be 0ed though, as usual, by him
    [bc] but shant be in the hidden wueue for long
    [me0w] I will give it a 5 if it is exciting
    [bc] yay
    [bc] http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2002/11/15/17928/ 674/65#65
    [bc] there you go me0w
    [me0w] I am giving you a 5 for the number of words you used
    [bc] woohoo!
    [bc] I quite often start typing, and type and type and type in fury
    [bc] and I don't really attack him personally till towards the end
    [bc] infinitera is a twat
    [me0w] Well, I think the "I think you a cunt" might be a bit insulting
    [bc] it's possible ;)
    [me0w] For some anyway
    [me0w] I might take that as a compliment.
    [bc] I'd just laugh and respond in kind
    [bc] I don't understand the people who get so worked up about lack of civility on the internet
    [bc] it's all just a laugh
    [me0w] It is all for my amusement
    [bc] when ubu and I met, we were calling each other cunts immediately, and being dreadfully insulting. We knew instantly we liked the other
    [me0w] That is when you know it is true love.
    [bc] indeed. I don't love ubu like a brother, I love him like the homosexual partner I never had
    [me0w] I should send flowers to celebrate your relationship.
    [bc] that would be very nice of you. The anniversary is very soon, actually
    [me0w] Brilliant!
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    [bc] hi, gurrrrl
    [gurl] hullo, you
    [me0w] Hello
    [gurl] christ i overslept
    [bc] what time is it where you are? 11:30?
    [gurl] twelve thirty
    [bc] damn firemen
    [bc] striking bastards, is what they are
    [bc] there was a housefire here, the soldiers had to break the picketlines, and 6 people were injured due to smoke inhallation. The firemen deliberately tried to stop the aid going out to the fire
    [me0w] That isn't good.
    [me0w] I can understand the strike, but preventing aid is not ethical.
    [bc] the fire service should be shut down and replaced with a nice big charity
    [bc] they get £21,000 as a starting wage, the firemen, which is well above the national average wage, After a few years, it rises considerably further, and they have already been offered an 11% raise and rejected it - they are going for 30% (!)
    [bc] for what? 99% of the time they are sitting about playing cards
    [me0w] 21,000 is far too little
    [bc] the fire service should be like the RNLI
    [bc] me0w, that's a starting wage for a newly qualified fireman
    [bc] the national average wage for everyone is £17,000
    [bc] this isn't a rich country like America, with its closer embrace of capitalism, where the national average is more like £30,000
    [me0w] I guess I just know people who make more than that.
    [me0w] I still think 21,000 is rather low
    [bc] £21,000 is perfectly decent as a starting wage
    [bc] nurses get £14,000, soldiers £16000, as starting wages
    [bc] policemen £17,000
    [me0w] Nurses should get more, as well as police men
    [me0w] The train people should get less.
    [bc] well, ideally I'm sure everybody would be getting £1,000,000 annually, but I'm not willing to see the government take more than half my earnings away to give to these people. If they don't want to work for those wages, they can switch to the private sector.
    [bc] and yes, the train sods especially suck
    [bc] they went on strike at glasgow underground forcing me to walk 6 miles through highly dodgy parts of glasgow in the rain
    [me0w] I think that there are certain professions that should be paid more ... firefighters, police, nurses, teachers
    [bc] I think it is fine, as long as the money isn't stolen by threat of violence off others to do so.
    [gurl] er, no.
    [bc] a free market would sort them out, it is only ever public sector workers that strike anyway.
    [gurl] nothing teachers do warrants more money
    [bc] they'd pay fairly
    [gurl] nurses get paid very well for their hours and labour
    [me0w] nurses are underpaid
    [gurl] at least, if the flooded nursing schools are any indication
    [bc] also, funnily enough teachers in scotland just got a 25% increase a couple of years ago. There is now a big "brain drain" of the best teachers from england to scotland. heh!
    [me0w] Which is why there are a shortage - they go places where they will be better paid
    [gurl] yes, and that is the hospital down the road
    [gurl] it is a highly paid but stressful job
    [gurl] not everyone can hack it
    [gurl] thus, the shortage
    [bc] here, all the best doctors and nurses go to America
    [bc] where they get paid decently
    [me0w] A large number of nursing students in Canada go to the US, and the Middle East - they are usually paid more than double what they make here
    [bc] we in turn import from India and scandinavia
    [gurl] haha
    [gurl] but scanadinavia is supposed to be the perfect country!
    [gurl] all socialist paradise and whatnot
    [gurl] well, the countries in that region
    [bc] not judging by the delectable nurses at my local hospital, loads of whom are danish, norwegian, swedish
    [gurl] well, being raised socialist apparently doesn't kill the desire to earn a fair wage for services and all that
    [bc] norwegian especially, but I think that is because lots of norwegians come to scotland anyway, cos it is quite close
    [gurl] lord, i don't want to go bed shopping
    [bc] it certainly doesn't, gurl
    [bc] shopping in bed, or shopping for a bed?
    [gurl] for a bed
    [bc] get one that doesn't creak or have annoying springs
    [bc] the best bed I ever had was one that was a platform of wood planks, with a really thin mattress on top
    [bc] that thing was great
    [bc] prolly quite cheap, too
    [gurl] i just want a futon
    [bc] never tried one of those, are they good?
    [me0w] Get a sturdy futon
    [me0w] Over time the frame can bend
    [gurl] i was thinking a metal one
    [me0w] You'll want a thick mattress on it (if they give that option)
    [bc] cool
    * bc watches Only Fools and Horses
    [gurl] actually, i will go tomorrow since i cannot carry the sodding thing home with me
    [bc] hehe
    [gurl] i think i'll just take the bed frame from my old bed
    [gurl] and buy a new mattress
    [bc] heh. Sounds good
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    [gurl] it's a gorgeous day
    [gurl] but utterly cold and crystal clear out
    [bc] I love that
    [bc] cold and clear
    [bc] and sunny
    [bc] perfect weather as far as I'm concerned
    [bc] gurl, how did it go with that chap?
    [gurl] he friend zoned me
    [bc] ah hah
    [bc] I did that to a girl week last week after a date. It's surprisingly hard. Requires delicacy
    [gurl] so i have a perfectly nice male friend
    [bc] well that's something at least
    [bc] I have a nice big fillet steak and some English mustard
    [gurl] i have a hearty beef stew
    [bc] oh splendid
    [gurl] haha
    [gurl] i am reading about the french foreign legion
    [bc] oh yes. That's France's only *professional* section of the army eh?
    [bc] I know someone who served in it for 21 years
    [gurl] it is terribly intensive
    [bc] yes
    [bc] long marching through the desert and stuff
    [gurl] and no girls allowed!
    [bc] http://britishsas.8m.com/training.html
    [bc] ^I think that is about the globally hardest training&selection for any regiment
    [bc] they are insane
    [bc] as part of it, they have the applicant (after a week of insane marching and activity) look after a pet rabbit in the mountains for a while. he is completely alone, and must forage for his own food and protect the rabbit for ages. Then, he recieves an order to kill and eat the rabbit
    [bc] quite sadistic ;)
    [gurl] haha
    [gurl] there's a kill house?!
    [bc] they are special forces
    [bc] anti-terrorist stuff is one of their duties
    [bc] storming embassies, say, like when they stormed the Iranian embassy and freed all the hostages in London in the 80's
    [bc] they were the first special forces unit in the world, created during WWII
    [gurl] lordy
    [bc] Delta Force in the US was founded in the 70's by an American officer who lobbied for it after seeing the SAS and serving in an exchange program in the UK army
    [bc] but they aren't as good. They have a slightly different ethos. Delta Force peeps tend to be really big and brawny, and their modus operandi is to be flown in on a big helicopter and shoot everything up before being flown away again
    [bc] the SAS are different, in that they believe in more traditional marching and approaching the target on foot. They tend to get dropped far away, sneak about hundreds of miles, attack, and sneak away. And they operate in teams of 8 generally
    [bc] http://home.hccnet.nl/22.sas/Operation%20Nimrod.ht ml
    [bc] ^that was mad
    [bc] I remember watching it on tv
    [gurl] so the sas do it properlike
    [gurl] well, more like people think such things work
    [bc] of course! ie, no hostage deaths, all terrorists dead, seemingly miraculously
    [bc] it's sort of amazing
    [bc] another famous one was the scud stuff during the gulf war
    [bc] one of their missions went wrong, they were given wrong maps
    [bc] and they were euipped for desert conditions, but it was frequently -20C and snowing etc
    [bc] and they got discovered and stormed by two lorry loads of iraqi tropps, tanks, etc, from a local base
    [bc] so the 8 of them killed ALL of them, then walked 100km overnight carrying 80lb bergens in freezing conditions
    [bc] they are sort of insane those people. Not qute normal, but very good at what they do (wholesale, efficient slaughter)
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    [gurl] damn
    [bc] and also, cos it is UK army, it is not just UKians, they select from many countries in the commonwealth
    [gurl] reminds me of stephen king's gunslinger
    [bc] so canadians and australians and NZers and Nepalians can see the SAS as the peak of their career, if they are good enough to make it through selection
    [Captain_Tenille] SAS?
    [bc] yes
    [gurl] british special forces
    [Captain_Tenille] Aha
    * Captain_Tenille always thought MI5 and MI6 were cool acronyms
    [bc] hehe
    [Captain_Tenille] Although for the longest time I thought it was M16
    [Captain_Tenille] Which seemed odd
    [bc] ct, during WWI it went from MI1 all the way to MI20
    [bc] also, MI5 & MI6 didn't officially exist until very recently
    [Captain_Tenille] I was just about to ask what happened to MI1-4
    [gurl] heh
    [bc] having no constitutional checks, the government is free to deny they exist at all
    [gurl] haha
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    [gurl] oh look@
    [gurl] er, nevermind
    [Captain_Tenille] The US gov denied the existence of the NSA forever.
    [bc] same as SAS, which didn't officially exist till the 90's,, and is still v.secret
    [Captain_Tenille] I don't think they officially acknowledge the Delta Force
    [bc] the SAS are fun because they are the first special forces group, and most other western country's special forces groups were founded, usually much later, on that model, often by officers who saw the SAS in exchange programmes and thought it a jolly good idea
    [bc] Delta Force being a case in point, in the 70's. Same with Germany's, france's. Greece's, Israel's, etc etc
    [bc] but SAS are teh best!
    [gurl] it is impressive what humans can be taught to do
    [Captain_Tenille] Is SAS just Green Beret style special forces, or does it include PSYOPS and Civil Affairs type stuff
    [Captain_Tenille] ?
    [bc] that's the other thing with the SAS, the complete lack of traditional army discipline, which was very new
    [bc] ct: it is mostly military and anti-terrorist
    [bc] there is another group that specialises in civil intelligence
    [bc] that sometimes work with the SAS, but the SAS are purely a military machine
    [Captain_Tenille] Civil Affairs handles the military's relations with the governments of the countries they're in.
    [Captain_Tenille] Should said government fall, they set up a caretaker government in it's place.
    * Captain_Tenille 's dad did that for a long time
    [bc] coo
    [gurl] bc, my sibling is all rotting in the county jail
    [bc] haha
    [bc] what'd he do?
    [gurl] his warrant caught up to him
    [bc] damn
    [gurl] he owes about 400£ in fines
    [Captain_Tenille] I just found out yesterday, actually, what my dad did after he worked as a codebreaker during the Vietnam War.
    [county] bc, you've millions, get gurl's brother out of the clink.
    [bc] he deserves it, county
    [bc] Contributing to the skill of the SAS is the Operations Research Unit which develops unique equipment for use by the SP team.
    [county] That's beside the point. She'll be indebted to you.
    [bc] ^^hehe, that's like "m" in james bond
    [gurl] bc, he found a job
    [gurl] and now he will lose it
    [gurl] because of extended absence
    [bc] damn it
    [bc] what's he fined for?
    [Captain_Tenille] Aren't you guys going to ask what my dad did?
    [bc] isn't that classified, ct?
    [Captain_Tenille] He didn't tell me much.
    [gurl] speeding ticket, i think
    [Captain_Tenille] Just enough to make me boggle.
    [Captain_Tenille] zuul, he?
    [zuul] he is not
    [bc] but he was army, eh? mad
    [Captain_Tenille] Wouldn't tell me what he did
    [gurl] then why build us up so cruelly]?
    [Captain_Tenille] NSA. That's all we would say.
    [Captain_Tenille] er, he
    [county] Come on, bc, give her brother a chance.
    [county] He's trying to turn is life around!
    [county] He's in jail because of ancient history.
    [bc] you're right county. I will bail him right away.
    [county] Good man.
    [county] I'm sure gurl will be very grateful.
    [gurl] some woman is presently trying to adopt me
    [county] But you're too old for that.
    [bc] is she older, and with grown up children who have flown the nest?
    [gurl] yeah, pretty much
    [gurl] except her grown kids are still in the nest
    [county] And she wants more.
    [gurl] she thinks i'm a unique snowflake
    [gurl] and wants to feed and clothe me and all that
    [bc] weird, gurl
    [gurl] aye
    [bc] weird weird weird
    [gurl] and the annoying guy at work who kept trying to pay me to go out with him
    [county] So are you going to take her up on it?
    [gurl] he got in a horrible car wreck and was fired
    [gurl] she is rather like mother
    [gurl] except less manipulative and deceitful
    [county] Did he get fired for getting in the car wreck?
    [gurl] not quite
    [gurl] he was fired for trying to come back to work
    [gurl] with a broken neck
    [bc] he offered you money? heh, how desperate
    [gurl] well, he is married
    [gurl] and also i don't want him
    [gurl] but he just couldn't seem to accept that
    [bc] "Please come out with me?" - "No." - "I'll give you £500."
    [county] That's really harsh.
    [bc] it's damned right, gurl
    [county] He was so dedicated to his work that he wanted to come in, but he got fired instead!
    [bc] I'm proud of you!
    [county] Couldn't they just tell him to go home and sleep it off?
    [gurl] he got in the accident whilst drunk
    [gurl] and it was off duty anyhow
    [gurl] so they can easily get him on inability to perform
    [gurl] and he could hardly even sit down
    [gurl] the doctor hadn't signed a release
    [gurl] so however cruel it sounds, they had every reasonable right to fire him
    [county] Still, to be unemployed and mangled in these times is difficult. He'll probably end up on the street.
    [gurl] no, his wife is utterly devoted and loving
    [gurl] and makes piles of money
    [gurl] she wanted only to take care of him
    [county] He has a devoted wife who makes lots of money, but wants a little on the side too?
    [county] That seems risky.
    [gurl] but he wanted to go drinking and sleep with other women
    [county] I should find a rich, devoted wife.
    [county] Having one could be convenient.
    [gurl] it was the only thing that saved him
    [county] Some guys have all the luck.
    [bc] hehe
    [gurl] i am sure bc would happily arrange for you to acquire a wealthy wife
    [bc] it's true. There's a lucky sod I know who's wife is a civil engineer making tons of cash. All he does is footer about spending her money on computers and crap. They love each other very much and seem very happy. Sickening, it is.
    [county] Yeah, I need someone to take care of me!
    [county] I'm tired of being responsible.
    [bc] BRB, mobile shop
    [gurl] have a beer
    [gurl] actually, have five or six
    [county] What's a mobile shop?
    [county] Anyway, that's too many beers.
    [gurl] well, however many will intoxicate you
    [gurl] women like to help men in that state
    [county] Haha!
    [county] What nonsense.
    [county] Women hate drunks.
    [gurl] depends on the drunk boy
    [gurl] i find some of them endearing
    [bc] damn it's cold
    [county] Well, what do you expect? Your house was built before heat was invented
    [county] What's a mobile shop, though?
    [bc] I am an endearing drunk boy. My cold reserve melts away, revealing a vulnerable and heartbreakingly fascinating character. I find that women are much more interested in me when drunk, than when sober.
    [county] uh huh
    [bc] county, a shop on wheels that drives around selling things. It parks outside my front door
    [county] What sort of things?
    [bc] in this instance, I got dunhills and Irn Bru, and a bottle of Gin
    [county] So you've gone back to the bottle.
    [county] tsk tsk.
    [bc] all sorts, county. There are many of them, in fact. Soem are mobile butchers, others mobile grocers and fishmongers. This one sells everyday necessities
    [county] Like I said, though, some guys have all the luck. When sober, I'm undesirable. When intoxicated, I'm undesirable in a different way.
    [county] Everyday necessities like dunhills, Irn Bru, and gin.
    [bc] Yup.
    [county] dunhills sound like cigarettes. What's Irn Bru?
    [bc] they sell what's sold most in the local community
    [bc] county: http://www.bevnet.com/reviews/irn-bru/index.asp
    [gurl] what's a good poll topick before i hotfoot it elsewhere?
    [bc] poll? hmmn
    [county] I don't think I've ever seen any of that, bc.
    [bc] favourite spirit?
    [gurl] irn bru is only in scotland
    [county] That would be all you can think of.
    [bc] county, well, it is actually illegal in the US, the FDA won't allow it to be sold there
    [bc] so it isn't surprising
    [county] gurl, "Favorite condiment to lick off nipples?"
    [bc] it contains too much iron, or something
    [county] Be sure to include horseradish as an option.
    [wsl3] county: Hot Thai Red Curry
    [bc] it's very very popular in russia though
    [Captain_Tenille] What on earth is it? And why is it illegal?
    [bc] ct, it's just a soft drink. It's illegal cos the FDA don't like it's iron content
    [wsl3] What is?
    [Captain_Tenille] Ah
    [gurl] man, i suppose i am not cut out for daytime drinking
    [gurl] my tummy hurts now
    [wsl3] gurl: Have some nice cock. That should solve the problem, but only if you get all the way down and get the protien suprise at the end.
    [gurl] i don't see how
    [gurl] protein makes my tummy hurt
    [wsl3] They'll cancel each other out.
    [gurl] i somehow doubt this.
    [gurl] i love my diary.
    [wsl3] Nah, I can show you if you want! :-)
    [county] Give up, wsl3. The fact is, you can only score with fatties.
    [wsl3] give it up county, the fact is, I don't care what you think. :-)
    [county] That doesn't make any sense, idiot. I wasn't trying to influence your opinion.
    [bc] I love your diary too, gurl =)))
    [gurl] hehe
    [wsl3] county: Uh huh.
    [gurl] there is nothing wrong with fatties, if they have attractive features
    [gurl] and don't look like useless lumps of crap
    [wsl3] Bingo!
    * wsl3 is a FFA
    [gurl] fatty fucker anonymous?
    [wsl3] LOL
    [wsl3] FFA == Fullfigured Female Admirer
    [gurl] oh god
    [county] Vlad's fatties look like useless lumps of crap, gurl.
    [gurl] i HATE those
    [wsl3] county is a useless lump of crap
    [county] These women aren't fat, gurl, they're disgustingly hyper-obese.
    [wsl3] gurl - hate what? Voluptous women?
    [county] 300lbs.
    [gurl] a girl can be voluptuous without being heavy
    [bc] FFA give BBWs TLC and have a GSOH
    [county] A three hundred pound woman isn't voluptuous.
    [county] She's hyper-obese.
    [wsl3] county: I know lots of attractive 300lb women.
    [gurl] no, that's a porker
    [gurl] i don't know any.
    [county] You don't know any!
    [county] You're delusional.
    [wsl3] Depends - what if she's like 6' tall?
    [gurl] and i know some decent looking big girls
    [gurl] then she shouldn't exceed 250
    [wsl3] gurl: Top size?
    [gurl] and that only if she is super muscular
    [wsl3] gurl: Nah - I've seen women as high as 400lbs that I'd do.
    [gurl] well, men are less picky about that
    [county] I'm not.
    [county] I'm not interested in girls much over 150.
    [gurl] well, that leaves the taller ones out
    [gurl] unless they are very slim
    [Captain_Tenille] Tall girls are overrated
    [wsl3] gurl: That depends - in general I don't find a woman attractive under 175 or so unless she is stunningly beautiful and has a personallity to match.
    [Captain_Tenille] *under* 175?
    [gurl] that is a shame for you, wsl3
    [county] I don't much like taller girls, gurl.
    [wsl3] under, yes.
    [gurl] i personally think too many people are heavy
    [county] Much beyond 5'6" is too tall, I think.
    * Captain_Tenille 's gf is 5'
    [wsl3] gurl: I don't find it a shame at all! I have a full, active, loving sex life, thank you very much. :-) lol
    [gurl] but that said, i don't mind heavy people who don't whine about it
    [gurl] of course you do
    * wsl3 doesn't whine - he has no cheese to go with it.
    [gurl] i know lots of plain couples that can't get enough of each other
    [Captain_Tenille] Off to get a hair cut.
    [Captain_Tenille] Ta ta.
    [gurl] which is great for them
    [gurl] hasta
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    [bc] woohoo
    [bc] there's nothing wrong with plain people. Or even ugly people, if they are self confident enough and interesting and especially good natured enough
    [gurl] ok, i have to fix someone's cd rom
    [bc] happy hacking!
    [gurl] well, that is true of anyone
    [county] Aye, and there's the rub, bc.
    [gurl] there is no hacking involved!
    [county] It's easier to become beautiful than it is to become interesting or good natured.
    [gurl] it's purely a mechanical issue
    [county] If one isn't already.
    [bc] you are fixing a technical computer device
    [gurl] bof, i am fixing a thingy with serrated wheels
    [bc] with what, you say?
    [bc] that sounds complicated
    [gurl] little wheels with chopped bits
    [county] A serrated wheel? Isn't that a gear?
    [bc] I'm a man, I don't understand technical things, I just leave it to women
    [gurl] yeah, i guess
    [gurl] two little gears that aren't spinning the drive out
    [county] Well, get that cute little can of yours over there and start fixing things!
    [county] Chop chop!
    [gurl] i have to finish my beer
    [gurl] ;P
    [county] bc, what should I do with myself today?
    [bc] I think you should go to the pub
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    [county] It's kind of dismal out.
    [bc] and drink beer, play darts, and watch the match
    [cdromgurl] yes, do go, since i cannot
    [cdromgurl] wave
    [bc] that's why I didn't suggest the park, county
    [bc] bye happy hackess!
    [county] I don't know where any pubs are. In fact, I think they're illegal in Seattle.
    [bc] http://www.nwbrewpage.com/wabpubs/WestSea.html
    [bc] go there
    [wsl3] lol
    [bc] though I must say, the huge billboard sign at the front puts me off
    [bc] here, they just have a tiny sign
    [bc] I suppose Americans insist on the 25foot billboard treatment
    [county] That's really far away.
    [bc] get the metro then!
    [county] Anyway, going to a pub is way too social.
    [bc] you don't need to talk to anyone
    [bc] clearly, you aren't very familiar with pubs at all
    [bc] they can be profoundly antisocial
    [county] Of course I don't, but I feel odd being out by myself.
    [county] There isn't any point in going out to be anti-social.
    [wsl3] Go nude. That will get some attention.
    [county] Shut up.
    [wsl3] no
    [wsl3] You can forget about that.
    [wsl3] If I'm in front of my computer, and I see something I want to respond to, I will - same as you.
    [county] Shut up, really.
    [wsl3] No.
    [wsl3] really.
    [bc] blargle
    [wsl3] bc: What's new with Kip? Has anyone seen him?
    [bc] heis in London, that's all I know
    [county] I'm going to go shower.
    [county] When I come back, I'm going to have some booze, a pastrami sandwich, and pour at my innermost hopes and dreams.
    [county] "out"
    [wsl3] ah
    [bc] looking forward to it
    [wsl3] Well, I'll be quite for that.
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    [Sulla] hey momo

  73. VLADEQUACY RAW & UNCUT 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    [momocrome] hmm
    [Sulla] I've had enough of subtlety, county
    [dmg] hey tarque
    [Sulla] I've had a long week
    [dmg] you seem to be in belgium
    [dmg] or is that brazil ?
    [Sulla] isn't br brazil?
    [dmg] i think so
    [momocrome] microsoft MSN has parental controls with age-specific settings like 'preteen' and 'teen'.
    [momocrome] it is like a menu system for pederasts
    [momocrome] I guess it would work for the FBI just as well
    [First_Incision] have you ever wondered who is the narc on #adequacy?
    [momocrome] the two groups will be the only ones in the chatrooms marked 'safe'
    [momocrome] certainly
    [momocrome] it could be me!
    [Mohammed_Iqbal] I WANT TO GO HOME!
    *** Mohammed_Iqbal is now known as shoeboy
    [shoeboy] I don't want to be at work anymore
    [momocrome] take a deep breath
    [momocrome] they are ripping on you in trolltalk, shoeboy
    [momocrome] perhaps you can strike back and burn off a little steam
    [dmg] #adequacy is not what it seems First Incision.
    [dmg] You are dealing with powers that you cannot begin to comprehend.
    [shoeboy] why should I care?
    [Lumpen] Where is trolltalk?
    [momocrome] I don't think you should 'care', per se, just a way to blow off steam I thought I'd suggest
    [momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721
    [dmg] momocrome, that is top secret information.
    [dmg] don't just spread it around like that.
    [momocrome] gahsp!
    [momocrome] my apologies. Lumpen, looks like you lucked out
    [Lumpen] Oh. It's a slashdot thing. Blah.
    [shoeboy] someone's been viewing my amazon.com user page
    [shoeboy] hrm.. stockton's got 4 turnovers at the half
    [shoeboy] fuck
    [dmg] night all. Off to do some Top Secret MI6 work
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    [shoeboy] oh yeah, some little nigger was ridiculing my shoes on the bus this morning
    [shoeboy] that was obnoxious
    [Sulla] what are your shoes like?
    [shoeboy] New Ballance running shoes
    [Sulla] trainers?
    [shoeboy] yeah
    [First_Incision] riding the bus, how communist
    [Sulla] I don't blame him
    [shoeboy] bah
    [First_Incision] "trainers", there's a UKism for you.
    [shoeboy] he was dressed like your typical urban black
    [Sulla] anyone who wears trainers anywhere, though especially on a bus, deserves all they get
    [First_Incision] they're sneakers, dammit. For sneaking up on the redcoats
    [shoeboy] and looked like a clown college dropout
    [Sulla] locally they get called sanshoes, FI, I actually thought I was using a USianism so you'd understand
    [First_Incision] haha. I've actually never heard a non-UK person say trainers before.
    [Lumpen] I call them "nigger boots."
    [county] I think I'd just break down if some little nigger ridiculed my shoes.
    [Sulla] you lot are acomplete disgrace
    [county] Are we?
    [First_Incision] somebody needs to ridicule my shoes. I deserve it.
    [First_Incision] http://www.converse.com/shop/shop.asp?cat=sc
    [county] I like my shoes.
    [Sulla] Yes, county
    [county] I wear black leather boots.
    [First_Incision] My shoes are ugly as shit, but comfortable as heaven
    [county] Mine look mighty sharp.
    [Sulla] my shoes are black, leather, and constricting. They punish my feet, covering them in blisters and blood. I deserve it, though, and it is morally improving
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    [county] Mine are similar, Sulla, but they don't draw blood.
    *** Sulla is now known as bc
    [county] Or cause blisters, really.
    [county] They're stern, though.
    [bc] mine really do
    [bc] fucking agony, they are
    [First_Incision] mine are like walking on pillows
    [county] I've walked over five miles a day in mine without blisters, just soreness.
    [county] When they were brand new, though, they caused blisters.
    [county] I had to break them, though! And they had to break me.
    [county] It was very sexual.
    [bc] I do more than 5 miles usually, and by God, every step is pain
    [bc] every step sends shockwaves of sheer agony around my foot and up my leg
    [county] Why don't you get more comfortable shoes?
    [bc] and after my ritual 5000 steps every day, I feel like a new man. I feel improved. I feel like the sin has been flushed out.
    [bc] because I deserve the agony, county
    [bc] I'm a bad fellow, and this is my self imposed cross
    [First_Incision] http://www.panama-jack.com/havanajoe/INGLES/colecc ion/categories/men/adventure/pages/classic1.htm
    [county] Anyway, I'm going to tell my story about female cruelty on the bus.
    [bc] to bear
    [county] I get on the bus with four other girls, three of them are together.
    [county] I mean with four girls.
    [First_Incision] I also have a pair of these that are 3 years old, I trust they will last my whole life.
    [county] I'm a guy, of course. Heh.
    [county] The lone girl tries to be friendly with the three, and they're quite terse and rude, and then when she gets off, they spend the next five minutes mocking her.
    [county] It made me weep.
    [bc] Yes. You'd never do something like that, of course.
    [county] I wouldn't.
    [county] She was quite pretty, too.
    [county] Her face had a strange, intense look to it.
    [bc] perhaps you should have recorded the conversation the girl had and slipped it into her pocket anonymously come monday
    [bc] girl/girls
    [county] Her voice and attitude were intoxicating in their simplicity and ingenuousness!
    [county] And I will never see her again :(
    [county] The other girls were ill-formed masses of pimpled, greasy, misshapen flesh.
    [county] The soul truly is reflected in the face and body.
    *** momocrome is now known as Yanni
    [shoeboy] indeed
    [bc] Fascinating county, but, considering that you have shown your capcity for malice here many times, I suspect that while you doubtless thought this girl pure and interesting, you in fact liked her because she was similar to yourself (the usual reason for attraction) - full of malice. I suspect the criticism of the other girls (who were likely good, and therefore opposed to you, and quite alien) was justified.
    [shoeboy] this is why I can't wipe the smirk off my face no matter how hard I try
    [county] I didn't see any reason to suppose this girl courted malice, bc.
    [county] Anyway, I think it's been well-established that I can't take it, at all.
    [county] I wouldn't be attracted to a cruel person.
    * Yanni is the man for you, county
    [county] Sorry, Yanni, I don't like fatties.
    [Yanni] I will sooth your soul.
    [Yanni] I am not fat!
    [county] 225 lbs is pretty damn fat.
    [Yanni] http://www.physics.drexel.edu/~kim/yanni.GIF
    [bc] marry me?
    [Yanni] I am intensely well muscled, by nature.
    [Yanni] and at a firm 6'2", can hardly be counted amongst the fatties
    [county] I'm 6'2", though.
    [Yanni] you are a bean pole
    [Yanni] 160 lbs?
    [county] bc, I feel like such a wretched fool for not talking to this girl and getting rejected!
    [county] No, more like 170-175.
    [Yanni] hey, you guys want to know a secret?
    [Yanni] Luisa is a man. a cowboy, no less.
    [bc] The value of work is socially defined, and usually done so for the benefit of those in charge; those with the most power and influence. --Infinitera
    [bc] Is he retarded????????
    [county] No, he's correct.
    [bc] Shut up.
    [county] Also, I'd like to point out the Gun N' Roses is the best band ever.
    [county] Would you hit it? http://www.cyborgasmatrix.com/
    [First_Incision] that's anatomically correct? No, I would not hit it. Not even a real woman that looked like that.
    [county] The face made me laugh.
    [Yanni] be sure to visit the torso gallery
    [county] I didn't get past the front page.
    [county] I figured it couldn't get any better!
    [Yanni] this is horrifying
    [First_Incision] when's the Internet going to bring about the downfall of western civillization. It seems to be about time now.
    [Yanni] Available
    [Yanni] Now!
    [Yanni] Torso with head starts at $920
    [Yanni] no arms or legs with that
    [county] Oh, no!
    [county] It's wrong that they would sell that.
    [county] The whole idea of a fake woman is ridiculous.
    [Yanni] you can buy just the upper torso
    [Yanni] $395 for breasts and shoulders only
    [county] I wonder if they've had any takers at all.
    [First_Incision] yes, county, that is why we are ridiculing it
    [county] I can't imagine anyone would want it.
    [Yanni] see MPG
    [Yanni] video of breasts
    [Yanni] being kneeded
    [Yanni] 1.4 MB ]
    [county] Frankly, I'm just not seeing a niche market between masturbation and actual women.
    [county] Those two seem to have the demand pretty much satisfied.
    [Yanni] perhaps it will become an appliance as common as a refrigerator or microwave oven
    [county] For $920, you could have a girlfriend for a month or two.
    [Yanni] reading into a little, these dolls talk, have articulated skeletons
    [county] For $920, you could masturbate for decades!
    [First_Incision] the e-conomy is all about inventing niche markets that don't exist.
    [Yanni] $920 would get you 2 hours with a clean-ish whore
    [county] For $920 I could buy a fancy hat that would get that wonderful bus girl to notice me.
    [county] I'm having scads of fun falling in infatuation with girls from the bus. I hadn't anticipated this at all, but it's immensely enjoyable.
    [Yanni] for $920 / month, you could afford a fancy enough car to get a bell town beauty
    [county] Oh boy!
    [Yanni] Final warning to Vladequacy. (Score:0)
    [Yanni] by Anonymous Coward on 11-15-02 07:28 PM (#4683239)
    [county] I hope that little feud doesn't end bloodlessly.
    [First_Incision] 01,9904 01I hate it when I forget about dinner and get hungry late at night01,99
    [county] Have some beans.
    [First_Incision] I don't keep food stocked. I suppose I must go get some food from a local muslim late-nite eatery
    [county] Why don't you keep food stocked?
    [First_Incision] because I live off of fast food.
    [county] Oh.
    [Yanni] a med student
    [Yanni] perhaps fat
    [county] I buy a pre-prepared meal once each week.
    [First_Incision] I have put on 15 pounds since I started.
    [Yanni] Margeret Thatcher has ingested my semen. _five times_.
    [county] Every Sunday, I purchase a gyro.
    [First_Incision] I shall return with hommos
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    [county] It seems that buying one's meals would get expensive.
    [Yanni] (snicker). he said homos
    [county] Do you have the Mrs. cook for you, Yanni?
    [Yanni] mostly
    [Yanni] i sometimes prefer to get a beef-based product though
    [Yanni] she'll only do chicken if she's cooking for us
    [county] Do you two ever compromise on pork?
    [Yanni] Vladequacy
    [Yanni] no. she doesn't like to eat mammals
    [Yanni] trollaxor is gone berserk
    [county] I don't eat much beef.
    [county] Chicken and pork, mostly, and some lamb.
    [shoeboy] cock!
    [county] Don't eat much of that, no.
    [shoeboy] sulla does
    * shoeboy is going home
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    [wsl3] Jesus H Christ, what the fuck is going on in trolltalk???
    [county] Why not read it and find out?
    [Yanni] I am about to post a doozy
    *** Yanni is now known as momocrome
    [county] What's trolltalk's URL, by the way?
    [momocrome] what would be a slick way of 'proclaiming a royal blacklist' for the phoneboy cabal?
    [momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721
    [county] Tell them that Vladinator is now officially displeased with them.
    [momocrome] I am coming at them as the rightful King of trolltalk
    [bc] ha! I got 0ed
    [momocrome] because years ago, I won the battle of the sids
    [bc] my post is invisible :(
    [momocrome] :|
    [county] =)
    [county] I 0ed you.
    [wsl3] heh
    [bc] bastard, county
    [bc] unzero me!
    [county] I can't!
    [momocrome] bah!
    [bc] why not?
    [wsl3] Yeah, tell them that Vlad's going to unleash the full power of Vladiquacy on thier asses.
    [momocrome] county is hardly the 'trusted user'! ! !
    [wsl3] LOL
    [county] Because your post deserved a 0.
    [bc] why?
    [wsl3] Why on earth did they lump you guys in with me anyway?
    [county] Actually, momocrome, I have a quite famous account that's trusted.
    [county] I'm just telling stories, bc :(
    [wsl3] bc - url? I'll 5 it for ballance.
    [county] I haven't 0 anything in ages.
    [bc] http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2002/11/15/17928/ 674/46#46
    [bc] there
    [bc] invisible :((
    [bc] I always get picked on
    [county] You were trolled by infinitera?
    [county] Oh man.
    [bc] who 0ed me anyway, vlad?
    [wsl3] bc - I don't know - I'm no longer TU it seems thanks to those assholes. :-(
    [bc] heh
    [county] I stand stride the storm, untouched by it! I will never be robbed of trustedness!
    [wsl3] I shall now have to start yet another k5 account with which to gain TU back.
    [county] "astride"
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    [wsl3] Or rather, have Dave do it since I'm on K5 restriction. :-)
    [First_Incision] praise Allah, hommos!
    [wsl3] So seriously, when did this bullshit "Vladiquacy" malarky start poping up?
    [county] You're spelling it incorrectly, big guy.
    [wsl3] Oh, Vladaquacy?
    [wsl3] s/Vladiquacy/Vladaquacy then.
    [momocrome] here, I will post my post
    [county] That spelling still doesn't make sense.
    [county] "Vladequacy" is the only reasonable spelling.
    [momocrome] vladequacy
    [county] I should know, too, for I am osm.
    [wsl3] Well well well. Hello Phone Boy.
    [momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 368
    [county] Hello, Vlad.
    [wsl3] So it was you.
    [momocrome] it will just get flooded off the page, judging by recent activity
    [wsl3] Why?
    [momocrome] but I have cast my lot
    [wsl3] Sweet! You even posted it loged in!
    [county] Why? Be more specific.
    [momocrome] oh yes
    [momocrome] I left you out of it
    [momocrome] vlad,
    [wsl3] Why did you do this? I don't recall ever even pissing you off directly. You've always been around, but we've never really bumped into one another so to speak.
    [wsl3] momocrome: I'm talking to county actually.
    [momocrome] bah
    [momocrome] I know, and I think you are getting your chain pulled
    [county] Vladinator, you're just really, really irritating. I don't know how else to put it.
    [momocrome] if county is osm, I am spiralx
    [wsl3] lol
    [momocrome] corpus memento
    [wsl3] hard to tell, he's on attbi and is cloaked (like me).
    [wsl3] county: I'm not suprised that you would say that... That still doesn't prove you're OSM.
    [county] Just like momocrome.
    [momocrome] aww.
    [wsl3] momo I know and can vouch for.
    [county] I don't feel the need to prove anything. Anyway, why are you not surprised? Are you aware that most people find you extremely obnoxious?
    [wsl3] county == qpt much more likely.
    [wsl3] You sound like him/her/it anyway
    [wsl3] momo - that was great.
    [county] momocrome, you're getting hit on.
    [momocrome] it is too weak
    [momocrome] knee jerk
    [momocrome] I have to go through the frozen lasagna in the oven. bbiab
    [First_Incision] I like how Fox News doesn't respect Godwin's Law
    [First_Incision] The INS is letting in illegal immigrants. They are following orders from Congress and the President. "Just like Nazi Germany"
    [First_Incision] letting in immigrants, like Nazi Germany?
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    [county] I really need to work up the courage to talk to one of these bus babes.
    [county] They really are fantastic.
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    [Sulla] blh
    [county] In fact, entirely apart from the bus, I'm surrounded by babes, none of whom I talk to :(
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    [county] What's wrong with me?
    [Sulla] are you shy?
    [county] I blame society.
    [county] And bc.
    [county] Am I shy.
    [county] That's an interesting question.
    [Sulla] I'm not in society? :(
    [county] Yes and no, really.
    [momocrome] ah, the real hit to my post has appeared
    [county] I'm mostly just shy around women I'm attracted to.
    [Sulla] so reserved rather than inhibited?
    [wsl3] That latest one is too long to read...
    [wsl3] We need something new in there already...
    [wsl3] Hey, I know...
    [wsl3] ...
    [county] Generally, yes, Sulla.
    [wsl3] Much better.
    [county] And when I do talk to women I'm attracted to, I'm just biting and cutting.
    [wsl3] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 466
    [county] Boy, do they have your number! ==] William Scott "Pinkrectum Floyd" Lockwood III
    [wsl3] That was a dodge anyway - I've been very careful not to violate the terms of the agreement with that account. :-)
    [wsl3] It worked VERY well.
    [momocrome] vlad, I'd bet you could get taco to release log data regarding these current posts
    [wsl3] Nope.
    [wsl3] Tried.
    [wsl3] Was told they don't keep those details, and to talk to their lawyer.
    [momocrome] write him again, just with the links
    [momocrome] and say, look man. these are actual crimes
    [momocrome] slander, harassment, etc
    [momocrome] it will at least get taco into the mix
    [momocrome] it would be fun to see him post to trolltalk again
    [wsl3] Been there, done that. His only response was "I know it sucks, but they've done it to me too."
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    [wsl3] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 512
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    [yap] can i spill some rap in here
    [wsl3] sURE
    [wsl3] Why not?
    [yap] maybe later
    [yap] im thinking i should read up on a subject
    [yap] to impress people i will meet
    [yap] in the future
    [wsl3] taxonomy.
    [wsl3] That's a good one.
    [yap] hold on
    [yap] httP://www.yourdictionary.com
    [wsl3] bbiab
    * wsl3 &
    [yap] och
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    [First_Incision] luisa awakens?
    [luisa|||] no.
    [county] Enter the luisa.
    [First_Incision] this commercial really makes me want to go to Bermuda. It's truly effective advertising.
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    [momocrome] county, so harsh!
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    [First_Incision] Edmund Hilary? Pitching SUVs?
    [county] Harsh, momocrome? When? How?
    [momocrome] coy?
    [momocrome] i see how it is!
    [momocrome] you are the only person who knows I might have used to have a mustqang automobile!
    [county] I'm really confused!
    [momocrome] of course I realize it isn't a mustqang
    [momocrome] and I suppose you aren't the only person
    [county] I don't have any idea what you're talking about :(
    [momocrome] there is a mean post in trolltalk telling me to 'go peel out in your mustang and shut the fuck up'
    [momocrome] and I was being so nice.
    [county] Oh.
    [county] That isn't me.
    [momocrome] of course
    [county] However, I get the feeling that someone who hangs out in here is being nasty in trolltalk.
    [momocrome] I was just hoping to drag this silly drama into slashnet. or not.
    [county] I take out all my aggression on on darling little luisa.
    [momocrome] it must be 70% or em!
    [momocrome] you guys please don't suck like that. thanks in advance.
    [momocrome] oh dear. If I am going to play in trolltalk, drink and chat in here, I really aught to pick only two.
    [sleepingurl] drinking is silly
    [momocrome] my apologies
    *** sleepingurl is now known as luisa||||
    [county] Drinking is essential.
    [luisa||||] i wish i hadn't gotten home so late
    [county] Why?
    [luisa||||] now i can't go out carousing
    [county] What were you out doing before?
    [luisa||||] hanging out at a friend's house
    [First_Incision] haha, I'm watching a thing on police snipers. They are shooting at baloons pulled by remote control toy trucks
    [county] I am engaging in mental and emotional flagellation.
    [luisa||||] my brother's in jail
    [county] For what?
    [luisa||||] which means he is unemployed again
    [First_Incision] luisa||||: seriously? what did he do, or what is he acused of?
    [luisa||||] he had a warrant
    [county] If he would just go to prison, he could have a job making license plates.
    [luisa||||] because he was stupid and failed to sort a prior ticket
    [momocrome] a warrant for love.
    [luisa||||] nah, it was a moving violation, not criminal stuff
    [luisa||||] that's what makes it so stupid
    [First_Incision] but failure to appear in court?
    [luisa||||] yeah, but they took their time issuing the warrant
    [luisa||||] like months
    [First_Incision] yeah, it's an overworked/overcrowded system
    [luisa||||] so he figured he could coast until he saved enough to pay it off
    [luisa||||] no, small towns are slow to issue, big cities are quick to
    [First_Incision] do you live with your brother?
    [luisa||||] god, no
    [luisa||||] i moved out last month
    [First_Incision] ok
    [First_Incision] are they gonna set a bail?
    [First_Incision] I could see luisa|||| getting a romantic involvement with a bounty hunter from all of this. It would make a good movie.
    [luisa||||] haha
    [luisa||||] most bounty hunters are not Extremely Attractive
    [First_Incision] I've never known any
    [county] I happen to hunt bounties.
    [luisa||||] stop lying
    [First_Incision] his lies are always worth telling
    [luisa||||] haha
    [First_Incision] heh, secret service snipers shooting at grassy knolls
    [luisa||||] christ i'm hungry
    [First_Incision] you should visit your local all-nite muslim eatery, and get some hommos. It worked for me.
    [luisa||||] hummus, darling
    [luisa||||] and the nearby all night ethnic place is greek here
    [luisa||||] so it would be gyros
    [First_Incision] that's how they spell it on the menu at my local restaurant. I think Usamah has taught us that u's and o's are the same thing
    [county] I'll post your brother's bail, luisa, if you'll make me something with lamb while wearing a too-short skirt.
    [county] Deal?
    [luisa||||] i would do that for no charge whatsoever
    [First_Incision] hey, you're Texan. I'll post his bail if you introduce me to a Bush daughter
    [luisa||||] hahaha
    [luisa||||] those girls are hard-drinking hussies
    [luisa||||] whatever would you want with them?
    [county] First_Incision needs a hard-drinking hussy.
    [First_Incision] Republican beeotches. Irresistable
    [luisa||||] heheh
    [First_Incision] They have political connections!
    [First_Incision] "Meeting the parents" would entail meeting the most powerful man in the world!
    [luisa||||] uh, he's a figurehead
    [county] For who?
    [county] Please don't say the Illuminati.
    [First_Incision] and that's a reason not to date his daughter?
    [county] Are his daughters attractive?
    [First_Incision] The Illuminati are irrelavant. It's all Al Quaeda now.
    [First_Incision] county: yes.
    [county] The more vowels that can be included in the spelling of "Al Quaeiedaa," the better, I say.
    [First_Incision] http://www.newsrebel.com/Images/bush_daughters_pri celess_reduced.jpg
    [First_Incision] Al Quaeda is the real-life world conspiracy.
    [county] Is that them?
    [county] They look drunk.
    [First_Incision] yeah
    [First_Incision] they are always drunk.
    [county] I don't find hard-drinking women appealing.
    [momocrome] those girls have caused untold suffering and terror?
    [First_Incision] I find it reassuring that when Western Civilization finally implodes, it will be replaced by a global Caliphate, and not some lame Asian thing.
    [First_Incision] or, E. Asian, I should say.
    [momocrome] I think China is in the lead
    [momocrome] they just hired a new guy to capitalize things
    [First_Incision] China=COMMUNISM. There's no way.
    [momocrome] nope
    [momocrome] Zemin just retired and they put an MBA in place

  74. Re:YES YOU CAN! But only with a TiVo 1... by MrLint · · Score: 1

    yeah but you cant talk about it at the tivo community forum, you arent even allowed to talk about the policy of not talking about it.

  75. VLADEQUACY RAW & UNCUT 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    [dmg] and then I will be in Tokyo/south Korea in April
    [dmg] Who are you anyway Lumpen ?
    [bc] you are drunk ever 36 hours
    [dmg] I am not sure I should be giving this information out.
    [Lumpen] Just a fan, dmg.
    [county] Well, I need to stay sober for now, because I have a date!
    [First_Incision] why am I always sober? I should take up this drinking thing.
    [county] Yes, do.
    [First_Incision] maybe I just need to get used to it. I could never drink enough to get drunk. Once I could feel stupidity creeping up, I could never bring myself to continue.
    [county] Strange.
    [dmg] county: did you get your date from reading the excellent dating advice available here on #adequacy ?
    [county] Once I can feel stupidity creeping up, I can't bring myself to stop.
    [county] dmg, I actually lied about having a date.
    [Lumpen] does #adequacy have a dating-advice bot?
    [dmg] county: its IRC
    [dmg] you can lie if you want
    [First_Incision] Lumpen: it should!
    [First_Incision] zuul, dating?
    [zuul] first_incision: wish i knew
    [First_Incision] zuul, women?
    [zuul] bugger all, i dunno, first_incision
    [First_Incision] zuul, men?
    [zuul] men are really just boys with financial responsibilities
    [dmg] zuul, should I visit a whore ?
    [zuul] dmg: wish i knew
    [county] I witnessed an shocking display of female pettiness and cruelty today. It put me off.
    [Lumpen] /msg datebot Why aren't women drawn to my l33t Linux skilz?
    [First_Incision] zuul, linux
    [zuul] hmmm... linux is a big POS half rate OS that encourages pirates and blatant faggotry!!!!!
    [bc] perhaps you aren't skillful enough
    [First_Incision] there you go!
    [bc] if you can use these skills to make lots&LOTS of money, they will be drawn to those skills
    [Lumpen] Not skilzful enough?
    [dmg] zuul, bsd
    [zuul] rumour has it bsd is dying
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    [Lumpen] But I installed the Linux on my home b0xen all by myself!
    [Lumpen] You should just reopen Adequacy. The joke has gone on long enough.
    [First_Incision] Perdida has her Iniquity "Daily", but I can't seem to finish an article for it.
    [Lumpen] Iniquity?
    [First_Incision] www.iniquitydaily.com
    [dmg] adequacy is dead. Red ink flowed like a river of blood! you didn't have to be Kreskin to see that it was dying. Fact: adequacy is dead.
    [county] perdida has a scoop site?
    [county] Oh heavens, do spare us.
    [Lumpen] It looks like the most recent article on iniquitydaily was posted about a month ago.
    [First_Incision] yeah
    [Lumpen] Lame.
    [First_Incision] And it was a k5 reject
    [cyn-away] bc knows more about it

  76. VLADEQUACY RAW & UNCUT 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    [momocrome] hmm
    [Sulla] I've had enough of subtlety, county
    [dmg] hey tarque
    [Sulla] I've had a long week
    [dmg] you seem to be in belgium
    [dmg] or is that brazil ?
    [Sulla] isn't br brazil?
    [dmg] i think so
    [momocrome] microsoft MSN has parental controls with age-specific settings like 'preteen' and 'teen'.
    [momocrome] it is like a menu system for pederasts
    [momocrome] I guess it would work for the FBI just as well
    [First_Incision] have you ever wondered who is the narc on #adequacy?
    [momocrome] the two groups will be the only ones in the chatrooms marked 'safe'
    [momocrome] certainly
    [momocrome] it could be me!
    [Mohammed_Iqbal] I WANT TO GO HOME!
    *** Mohammed_Iqbal is now known as shoeboy
    [shoeboy] I don't want to be at work anymore
    [momocrome] take a deep breath
    [momocrome] they are ripping on you in trolltalk, shoeboy
    [momocrome] perhaps you can strike back and burn off a little steam
    [dmg] #adequacy is not what it seems First Incision.
    [dmg] You are dealing with powers that you cannot begin to comprehend.
    [shoeboy] why should I care?
    [Lumpen] Where is trolltalk?
    [momocrome] I don't think you should 'care', per se, just a way to blow off steam I thought I'd suggest
    [momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721
    [dmg] momocrome, that is top secret information.
    [dmg] don't just spread it around like that.
    [momocrome] gahsp!
    [momocrome] my apologies. Lumpen, looks like you lucked out
    [Lumpen] Oh. It's a slashdot thing. Blah.
    [shoeboy] someone's been viewing my amazon.com user page
    [shoeboy] hrm.. stockton's got 4 turnovers at the half
    [shoeboy] fuck
    [dmg] night all. Off to do some Top Secret MI6 work
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    [shoeboy] oh yeah, some little nigger was ridiculing my shoes on the bus this morning
    [shoeboy] that was obnoxious
    [Sulla] what are your shoes like?
    [shoeboy] New Ballance running shoes
    [Sulla] trainers?
    [shoeboy] yeah
    [First_Incision] riding the bus, how communist
    [Sulla] I don't blame him
    [shoeboy] bah
    [First_Incision] "trainers", there's a UKism for you.
    [shoeboy] he was dressed like your typical urban black
    [Sulla] anyone who wears trainers anywhere, though especially on a bus, deserves all they get
    [First_Incision] they're sneakers, dammit. For sneaking up on the redcoats
    [shoeboy] and looked like a clown college dropout
    [Sulla] locally they get called sanshoes, FI, I actually thought I was using a USianism so you'd understand
    [First_Incision] haha. I've actually never heard a non-UK person say trainers before.
    [Lumpen] I call them "nigger boots."
    [county] I think I'd just break down if some little nigger ridiculed my shoes.
    [Sulla] you lot are acomplete disgrace
    [county] Are we?
    [First_Incision] somebody needs to ridicule my shoes. I deserve it.
    [First_Incision] http://www.converse.com/shop/shop.asp?cat=sc
    [county] I like my shoes.
    [Sulla] Yes, county
    [county] I wear black leather boots.
    [First_Incision] My shoes are ugly as shit, but comfortable as heaven
    [county] Mine look mighty sharp.
    [Sulla] my shoes are black, leather, and constricting. They punish my feet, covering them in blisters and blood. I deserve it, though, and it is morally improving
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    [county] Mine are similar, Sulla, but they don't draw blood.
    *** Sulla is now known as bc
    [county] Or cause blisters, really.
    [county] They're stern, though.
    [bc] mine really do
    [bc] fucking agony, they are
    [First_Incision] mine are like walking on pillows
    [county] I've walked over five miles a day in mine without blisters, just soreness.
    [county] When they were brand new, though, they caused blisters.
    [county] I had to break them, though! And they had to break me.
    [county] It was very sexual.
    [bc] I do more than 5 miles usually, and by God, every step is pain
    [bc] every step sends shockwaves of sheer agony around my foot and up my leg
    [county] Why don't you get more comfortable shoes?
    [bc] and after my ritual 5000 steps every day, I feel like a new man. I feel improved. I feel like the sin has been flushed out.
    [bc] because I deserve the agony, county
    [bc] I'm a bad fellow, and this is my self imposed cross
    [First_Incision] http://www.panama-jack.com/havanajoe/INGLES/colecc ion/categories/men/adventure/pages/classic1.htm
    [county] Anyway, I'm going to tell my story about female cruelty on the bus.
    [bc] to bear
    [county] I get on the bus with four other girls, three of them are together.
    [county] I mean with four girls.
    [First_Incision] I also have a pair of these that are 3 years old, I trust they will last my whole life.
    [county] I'm a guy, of course. Heh.
    [county] The lone girl tries to be friendly with the three, and they're quite terse and rude, and then when she gets off, they spend the next five minutes mocking her.
    [county] It made me weep.
    [bc] Yes. You'd never do something like that, of course.
    [county] I wouldn't.
    [county] She was quite pretty, too.
    [county] Her face had a strange, intense look to it.
    [bc] perhaps you should have recorded the conversation the girl had and slipped it into her pocket anonymously come monday
    [bc] girl/girls
    [county] Her voice and attitude were intoxicating in their simplicity and ingenuousness!
    [county] And I will never see her again :(
    [county] The other girls were ill-formed masses of pimpled, greasy, misshapen flesh.
    [county] The soul truly is reflected in the face and body.
    *** momocrome is now known as Yanni
    [shoeboy] indeed
    [bc] Fascinating county, but, considering that you have shown your capcity for malice here many times, I suspect that while you doubtless thought this girl pure and interesting, you in fact liked her because she was similar to yourself (the usual reason for attraction) - full of malice. I suspect the criticism of the other girls (who were likely good, and therefore opposed to you, and quite alien) was justified.
    [shoeboy] this is why I can't wipe the smirk off my face no matter how hard I try
    [county] I didn't see any reason to suppose this girl courted malice, bc.
    [county] Anyway, I think it's been well-established that I can't take it, at all.
    [county] I wouldn't be attracted to a cruel person.
    * Yanni is the man for you, county
    [county] Sorry, Yanni, I don't like fatties.
    [Yanni] I will sooth your soul.
    [Yanni] I am not fat!
    [county] 225 lbs is pretty damn fat.
    [Yanni] http://www.physics.drexel.edu/~kim/yanni.GIF
    [bc] marry me?
    [Yanni] I am intensely well muscled, by nature.
    [Yanni] and at a firm 6'2", can hardly be counted amongst the fatties
    [county] I'm 6'2", though.
    [Yanni] you are a bean pole
    [Yanni] 160 lbs?
    [county] bc, I feel like such a wretched fool for not talking to this girl and getting rejected!
    [county] No, more like 170-175.
    [Yanni] hey, you guys want to know a secret?
    [Yanni] Luisa is a man. a cowboy, no less.
    [bc] The value of work is socially defined, and usually done so for the benefit of those in charge; those with the most power and influence. --Infinitera
    [bc] Is he retarded????????
    [county] No, he's correct.
    [bc] Shut up.
    [county] Also, I'd like to point out the Gun N' Roses is the best band ever.
    [county] Would you hit it? http://www.cyborgasmatrix.com/
    [First_Incision] that's anatomically correct? No, I would not hit it. Not even a real woman that looked like that.
    [county] The face made me laugh.
    [Yanni] be sure to visit the torso gallery
    [county] I didn't get past the front page.
    [county] I figured it couldn't get any better!
    [Yanni] this is horrifying
    [First_Incision] when's the Internet going to bring about the downfall of western civillization. It seems to be about time now.
    [Yanni] Available
    [Yanni] Now!
    [Yanni] Torso with head starts at $920
    [Yanni] no arms or legs with that
    [county] Oh, no!
    [county] It's wrong that they would sell that.
    [county] The whole idea of a fake woman is ridiculous.
    [Yanni] you can buy just the upper torso
    [Yanni] $395 for breasts and shoulders only
    [county] I wonder if they've had any takers at all.
    [First_Incision] yes, county, that is why we are ridiculing it
    [county] I can't imagine anyone would want it.
    [Yanni] see MPG
    [Yanni] video of breasts
    [Yanni] being kneeded
    [Yanni] 1.4 MB ]
    [county] Frankly, I'm just not seeing a niche market between masturbation and actual women.
    [county] Those two seem to have the demand pretty much satisfied.
    [Yanni] perhaps it will become an appliance as common as a refrigerator or microwave oven
    [county] For $920, you could have a girlfriend for a month or two.
    [Yanni] reading into a little, these dolls talk, have articulated skeletons
    [county] For $920, you could masturbate for decades!
    [First_Incision] the e-conomy is all about inventing niche markets that don't exist.
    [Yanni] $920 would get you 2 hours with a clean-ish whore
    [county] For $920 I could buy a fancy hat that would get that wonderful bus girl to notice me.
    [county] I'm having scads of fun falling in infatuation with girls from the bus. I hadn't anticipated this at all, but it's immensely enjoyable.
    [Yanni] for $920 / month, you could afford a fancy enough car to get a bell town beauty
    [county] Oh boy!
    [Yanni] Final warning to Vladequacy. (Score:0)
    [Yanni] by Anonymous Coward on 11-15-02 07:28 PM (#4683239)
    [county] I hope that little feud doesn't end bloodlessly.
    [First_Incision] 01,9904 01I hate it when I forget about dinner and get hungry late at night01,99
    [county] Have some beans.
    [First_Incision] I don't keep food stocked. I suppose I must go get some food from a local muslim late-nite eatery
    [county] Why don't you keep food stocked?
    [First_Incision] because I live off of fast food.
    [county] Oh.
    [Yanni] a med student
    [Yanni] perhaps fat
    [county] I buy a pre-prepared meal once each week.
    [First_Incision] I have put on 15 pounds since I started.
    [Yanni] Margeret Thatcher has ingested my semen. _five times_.
    [county] Every Sunday, I purchase a gyro.
    [First_Incision] I shall return with hommos
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    [county] It seems that buying one's meals would get expensive.
    [Yanni] (snicker). he said homos
    [county] Do you have the Mrs. cook for you, Yanni?
    [Yanni] mostly
    [Yanni] i sometimes prefer to get a beef-based product though
    [Yanni] she'll only do chicken if she's cooking for us
    [county] Do you two ever compromise on pork?
    [Yanni] Vladequacy
    [Yanni] no. she doesn't like to eat mammals
    [Yanni] trollaxor is gone berserk
    [county] I don't eat much beef.
    [county] Chicken and pork, mostly, and some lamb.
    [shoeboy] cock!
    [county] Don't eat much of that, no.
    [shoeboy] sulla does
    * shoeboy is going home
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    [wsl3] Jesus H Christ, what the fuck is going on in trolltalk???
    [county] Why not read it and find out?
    [Yanni] I am about to post a doozy
    *** Yanni is now known as momocrome
    [county] What's trolltalk's URL, by the way?
    [momocrome] what would be a slick way of 'proclaiming a royal blacklist' for the phoneboy cabal?
    [momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721
    [county] Tell them that Vladinator is now officially displeased with them.
    [momocrome] I am coming at them as the rightful King of trolltalk
    [bc] ha! I got 0ed
    [momocrome] because years ago, I won the battle of the sids
    [bc] my post is invisible :(
    [momocrome] :|
    [county] =)
    [county] I 0ed you.
    [wsl3] heh
    [bc] bastard, county
    [bc] unzero me!
    [county] I can't!
    [momocrome] bah!
    [bc] why not?
    [wsl3] Yeah, tell them that Vlad's going to unleash the full power of Vladiquacy on thier asses.
    [momocrome] county is hardly the 'trusted user'! ! !
    [wsl3] LOL
    [county] Because your post deserved a 0.
    [bc] why?
    [wsl3] Why on earth did they lump you guys in with me anyway?
    [county] Actually, momocrome, I have a quite famous account that's trusted.
    [county] I'm just telling stories, bc :(
    [wsl3] bc - url? I'll 5 it for ballance.
    [county] I haven't 0 anything in ages.
    [bc] http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2002/11/15/17928/ 674/46#46
    [bc] there
    [bc] invisible :((
    [bc] I always get picked on
    [county] You were trolled by infinitera?
    [county] Oh man.
    [bc] who 0ed me anyway, vlad?
    [wsl3] bc - I don't know - I'm no longer TU it seems thanks to those assholes. :-(
    [bc] heh
    [county] I stand stride the storm, untouched by it! I will never be robbed of trustedness!
    [wsl3] I shall now have to start yet another k5 account with which to gain TU back.
    [county] "astride"
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    [wsl3] Or rather, have Dave do it since I'm on K5 restriction. :-)
    [First_Incision] praise Allah, hommos!
    [wsl3] So seriously, when did this bullshit "Vladiquacy" malarky start poping up?
    [county] You're spelling it incorrectly, big guy.
    [wsl3] Oh, Vladaquacy?
    [wsl3] s/Vladiquacy/Vladaquacy then.
    [momocrome] here, I will post my post
    [county] That spelling still doesn't make sense.
    [county] "Vladequacy" is the only reasonable spelling.
    [momocrome] vladequacy
    [county] I should know, too, for I am osm.
    [wsl3] Well well well. Hello Phone Boy.
    [momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 368
    [county] Hello, Vlad.
    [wsl3] So it was you.
    [momocrome] it will just get flooded off the page, judging by recent activity
    [wsl3] Why?
    [momocrome] but I have cast my lot
    [wsl3] Sweet! You even posted it loged in!
    [county] Why? Be more specific.
    [momocrome] oh yes
    [momocrome] I left you out of it
    [momocrome] vlad,
    [wsl3] Why did you do this? I don't recall ever even pissing you off directly. You've always been around, but we've never really bumped into one another so to speak.
    [wsl3] momocrome: I'm talking to county actually.
    [momocrome] bah
    [momocrome] I know, and I think you are getting your chain pulled
    [county] Vladinator, you're just really, really irritating. I don't know how else to put it.
    [momocrome] if county is osm, I am spiralx
    [wsl3] lol
    [momocrome] corpus memento
    [wsl3] hard to tell, he's on attbi and is cloaked (like me).
    [wsl3] county: I'm not suprised that you would say that... That still doesn't prove you're OSM.
    [county] Just like momocrome.
    [momocrome] aww.
    [wsl3] momo I know and can vouch for.
    [county] I don't feel the need to prove anything. Anyway, why are you not surprised? Are you aware that most people find you extremely obnoxious?
    [wsl3] county == qpt much more likely.
    [wsl3] You sound like him/her/it anyway
    [wsl3] momo - that was great.
    [county] momocrome, you're getting hit on.
    [momocrome] it is too weak
    [momocrome] knee jerk
    [momocrome] I have to go through the frozen lasagna in the oven. bbiab
    [First_Incision] I like how Fox News doesn't respect Godwin's Law
    [First_Incision] The INS is letting in illegal immigrants. They are following orders from Congress and the President. "Just like Nazi Germany"
    [First_Incision] letting in immigrants, like Nazi Germany?
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    [county] I really need to work up the courage to talk to one of these bus babes.
    [county] They really are fantastic.
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    [Sulla] blh
    [county] In fact, entirely apart from the bus, I'm surrounded by babes, none of whom I talk to :(
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    [county] What's wrong with me?
    [Sulla] are you shy?
    [county] I blame society.
    [county] And bc.
    [county] Am I shy.
    [county] That's an interesting question.
    [Sulla] I'm not in society? :(
    [county] Yes and no, really.
    [momocrome] ah, the real hit to my post has appeared
    [county] I'm mostly just shy around women I'm attracted to.
    [Sulla] so reserved rather than inhibited?
    [wsl3] That latest one is too long to read...
    [wsl3] We need something new in there already...
    [wsl3] Hey, I know...
    [wsl3] ...
    [county] Generally, yes, Sulla.
    [wsl3] Much better.
    [county] And when I do talk to women I'm attracted to, I'm just biting and cutting.
    [wsl3] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 466
    [county] Boy, do they have your number! ==] William Scott "Pinkrectum Floyd" Lockwood III
    [wsl3] That was a dodge anyway - I've been very careful not to violate the terms of the agreement with that account. :-)
    [wsl3] It worked VERY well.
    [momocrome] vlad, I'd bet you could get taco to release log data regarding these current posts
    [wsl3] Nope.
    [wsl3] Tried.
    [wsl3] Was told they don't keep those details, and to talk to their lawyer.
    [momocrome] write him again, just with the links
    [momocrome] and say, look man. these are actual crimes
    [momocrome] slander, harassment, etc
    [momocrome] it will at least get taco into the mix
    [momocrome] it would be fun to see him post to trolltalk again
    [wsl3] Been there, done that. His only response was "I know it sucks, but they've done it to me too."
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    [wsl3] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 512
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    [yap] can i spill some rap in here
    [wsl3] sURE
    [wsl3] Why not?
    [yap] maybe later
    [yap] im thinking i should read up on a subject
    [yap] to impress people i will meet
    [yap] in the future
    [wsl3] taxonomy.
    [wsl3] That's a good one.
    [yap] hold on
    [yap] httP://www.yourdictionary.com
    [wsl3] bbiab
    * wsl3 &
    [yap] och
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    [First_Incision] luisa awakens?
    [luisa|||] no.
    [county] Enter the luisa.
    [First_Incision] this commercial really makes me want to go to Bermuda. It's truly effective advertising.
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    [momocrome] county, so harsh!
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    [First_Incision] Edmund Hilary? Pitching SUVs?
    [county] Harsh, momocrome? When? How?
    [momocrome] coy?
    [momocrome] i see how it is!
    [momocrome] you are the only person who knows I might have used to have a mustqang automobile!
    [county] I'm really confused!
    [momocrome] of course I realize it isn't a mustqang
    [momocrome] and I suppose you aren't the only person
    [county] I don't have any idea what you're talking about :(
    [momocrome] there is a mean post in trolltalk telling me to 'go peel out in your mustang and shut the fuck up'
    [momocrome] and I was being so nice.
    [county] Oh.
    [county] That isn't me.
    [momocrome] of course
    [county] However, I get the feeling that someone who hangs out in here is being nasty in trolltalk.
    [momocrome] I was just hoping to drag this silly drama into slashnet. or not.
    [county] I take out all my aggression on on darling little luisa.
    [momocrome] it must be 70% or em!
    [momocrome] you guys please don't suck like that. thanks in advance.
    [momocrome] oh dear. If I am going to play in trolltalk, drink and chat in here, I really aught to pick only two.
    [sleepingurl] drinking is silly
    [momocrome] my apologies
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    [county] Drinking is essential.
    [luisa||||] i wish i hadn't gotten home so late
    [county] Why?
    [luisa||||] now i can't go out carousing
    [county] What were you out doing before?
    [luisa||||] hanging out at a friend's house
    [First_Incision] haha, I'm watching a thing on police snipers. They are shooting at baloons pulled by remote control toy trucks
    [county] I am engaging in mental and emotional flagellation.
    [luisa||||] my brother's in jail
    [county] For what?
    [luisa||||] which means he is unemployed again
    [First_Incision] luisa||||: seriously? what did he do, or what is he acused of?
    [luisa||||] he had a warrant
    [county] If he would just go to prison, he could have a job making license plates.
    [luisa||||] because he was stupid and failed to sort a prior ticket
    [momocrome] a warrant for love.
    [luisa||||] nah, it was a moving violation, not criminal stuff
    [luisa||||] that's what makes it so stupid
    [First_Incision] but failure to appear in court?
    [luisa||||] yeah, but they took their time issuing the warrant
    [luisa||||] like months
    [First_Incision] yeah, it's an overworked/overcrowded system
    [luisa||||] so he figured he could coast until he saved enough to pay it off
    [luisa||||] no, small towns are slow to issue, big cities are quick to
    [First_Incision] do you live with your brother?
    [luisa||||] god, no
    [luisa||||] i moved out last month
    [First_Incision] ok
    [First_Incision] are they gonna set a bail?
    [First_Incision] I could see luisa|||| getting a romantic involvement with a bounty hunter from all of this. It would make a good movie.
    [luisa||||] haha
    [luisa||||] most bounty hunters are not Extremely Attractive
    [First_Incision] I've never known any
    [county] I happen to hunt bounties.
    [luisa||||] stop lying
    [First_Incision] his lies are always worth telling
    [luisa||||] haha
    [First_Incision] heh, secret service snipers shooting at grassy knolls
    [luisa||||] christ i'm hungry
    [First_Incision] you should visit your local all-nite muslim eatery, and get some hommos. It worked for me.
    [luisa||||] hummus, darling
    [luisa||||] and the nearby all night ethnic place is greek here
    [luisa||||] so it would be gyros
    [First_Incision] that's how they spell it on the menu at my local restaurant. I think Usamah has taught us that u's and o's are the same thing
    [county] I'll post your brother's bail, luisa, if you'll make me something with lamb while wearing a too-short skirt.
    [county] Deal?
    [luisa||||] i would do that for no charge whatsoever
    [First_Incision] hey, you're Texan. I'll post his bail if you introduce me to a Bush daughter
    [luisa||||] hahaha
    [luisa||||] those girls are hard-drinking hussies
    [luisa||||] whatever would you want with them?
    [county] First_Incision needs a hard-drinking hussy.
    [First_Incision] Republican beeotches. Irresistable
    [luisa||||] heheh
    [First_Incision] They have political connections!
    [First_Incision] "Meeting the parents" would entail meeting the most powerful man in the world!
    [luisa||||] uh, he's a figurehead
    [county] For who?
    [county] Please don't say the Illuminati.
    [First_Incision] and that's a reason not to date his daughter?
    [county] Are his daughters attractive?
    [First_Incision] The Illuminati are irrelavant. It's all Al Quaeda now.
    [First_Incision] county: yes.
    [county] The more vowels that can be included in the spelling of "Al Quaeiedaa," the better, I say.
    [First_Incision] http://www.newsrebel.com/Images/bush_daughters_pri celess_reduced.jpg
    [First_Incision] Al Quaeda is the real-life world conspiracy.
    [county] Is that them?
    [county] They look drunk.
    [First_Incision] yeah
    [First_Incision] they are always drunk.
    [county] I don't find hard-drinking women appealing.
    [momocrome] those girls have caused untold suffering and terror?
    [First_Incision] I find it reassuring that when Western Civilization finally implodes, it will be replaced by a global Caliphate, and not some lame Asian thing.
    [First_Incision] or, E. Asian, I should say.
    [momocrome] I think China is in the lead
    [momocrome] they just hired a new guy to capitalize things
    [First_Incision] China=COMMUNISM. There's no way.
    [momocrome] nope
    [momocrome] Zemin just retired and they put an MBA in place

  77. I'm Sorry Lockwood - Song Parody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Kicked Vlad's Ass On Trolltalk by the AV3
    (To the tune of Cleaning Out My Closet by Eminem)

    I'm sorry Lockwood!
    I really meant to hurt you!
    I'm glad that I could make you cry, and tonight
    I kicked your ass on Trolltalk.
    I said I'm sorry Scotty!
    It's really fun to flame you!
    It's not real hard to make you cry, and tonight
    I called you out on Trolltalk.

    Vlad's got some skeletons in his closet
    And I think that everyone knows it
    There's so much shit in his mouth that he can't close it
    I'ma expose him; I'll take you back to '69
    Before he started crapflooding Slashdot all the time
    He was a baby, maybe just a couple of months
    The Priest at his church bit off his penis for lunch
    Now he's grown up, and he likes to fuck kids in the eye
    No person would love him; we all wish he would die
    He's got a hippo for a wife who'd never leave his side
    She WANTS to leave, though, but she's too fat to try
    To squeeze her ass out the door, so her life's a mistake
    She and Scott should both die, for their own Vlad-damn sake
    But Vlad's a behemoth, and might not get out of bed today
    We all know that he's stupid; no doubt that he's dumb
    And the dumbest shit he did was not shoot himself with that gun
    He shoulda killed himself, him and Theresa both
    They've got no life, so just call them "The Crapflooder Show"

    I'm sorry Vladdy!
    It's so tempting to flame you!
    You really want to make me hurl, and tonight
    I kicked Vlad's ass on Trolltalk.
    I said I'm sorry Lockwood!
    It's easy shit to hurt him!
    It's mighty fun to ream him good, and tonight
    I called him out on Trolltalk.

    Now I would never diss Scott just to get recognition
    Take a second to listen to why it's him that I'm dissin'
    But put yourself in my position, just try to envision
    Witnessing a man being an asshole for a livin'
    Crying and moaning about others when his own civility's missin'
    DoSing and spamming, practicing Asshole-Jerk Syndrome
    His whole life he's been a Nazi to others
    Now he grew up, got no friends, and a really huge stomach
    Isn't it? Isn't that the reason he's even hated by his own Ma?
    He cries in his bathtub and he has to wear a bra
    But guess what, Scott's getting older, and he's going to die lonely
    He's been divorced three times, and they all think he's a phony
    He's so evil now, he could never know something beautiful
    Nobody likes him, he'll be the only one at his funeral!
    See what sucks about him most is he won't admit he's a dick
    Everybody who knows him thinks he should be beat with a stick
    What he doesn't know is what you give, you will get
    That selfish punk, now it's time for him to drown in his own shit
    Remember when he was dumped by wives #1 2 and 3?
    Well guess what, everyone hates him; that's the way it should be!

    I'm sorry William!
    It's so much fun to hurt you!
    I know you're gunna go and cry, and tonight
    Scott's crying in his bathtub.
    I said I'm sorry Scotty!
    Too bad that you're unstable!
    Maybe you should see a shrink, but tonight
    I'll shred your ass on Trolltalk.

    I'm sorry Lockwood!
    Too bad I have to hurt you!
    You're responsible for what you do, and tonight
    You're hereby banned from Trolltalk.
    I said I'm sorry Cockface!
    I only try to help you!
    You need to reasses your life, and for now,
    Stay fuck away from Trolltalk.

  78. Amherst-Fag and the Trhurler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    From: cptroll
    To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] Nice on jsm
    Date sent: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:07:10 -0500
    Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    (This is CP0038)

    Hmmm. In this case, is the correct course of action to mod them both up
    to 5? Jsm just because, and trhurler in order to make him even more
    self-righteous and egg him on? Or would it be more effective just to mod
    jsm up and leave trhurler at none and make him cry favoritism?

    Trhurler is one bitter fuck. On any given story, you can find him voting
    -1. And his diaries, too.

    James <spiralx@spazmail.com> wrote:

    >Keep us the good work winding trhurler up on k5, immensely amusing
    >watching him slowly getting more and more outraged at you :)
    >
    >http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=comments&sid=2000/11/ 30/5377/2018&pid=60#66
    >
    >Funny as hell.
    >
    >J

    (This is CP0038)

  79. Amherst-Fag and the Poor Judgement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    From: Ceee Peee
    To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    Subject: [k22320inchfan] Sorry about that, all
    Date sent: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:51:12 -0800 (PST)
    Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    (This is CP0006)

    Demonstrating poor judgment on my part, I lobbed
    another at the k5 queue
    (http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory&sid=2000 /12/20/01446/325).
    It's not half as big a troll as the last one, but,
    well, I guess people are still angry about the last
    one. Let's just say the only thing geeks defend more
    than their porn is their smokes.

    JSM, I'm disappointed you didn't show some guts and
    just mod it down. Have I pissed enough in your
    swimming pool yet? Heck, they're slandering you in
    there, equating the two of us. Even rusty's annoyed,
    and he has a sense of humor (though his reasoning
    isn't so hot).

    I think I'll leave k5 alone for a while. I'm leaving
    town in two days and won't be back for a couple weeks,
    though I'll have net access in between. Maybe when I
    get back, I'll have developed some maturity. 'Night,
    all.

    (This is CP0006)

  80. Amherst-Fag and the Poor Judgement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    From: Ceee Peee
    To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    Subject: [k22320inchfan] Sorry about that, all
    Date sent: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:51:12 -0800 (PST)
    Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    (This is CP0006)

    Demonstrating poor judgment on my part, I lobbed
    another at the k5 queue
    (http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory&sid=2000 /12/20/01446/325).
    It's not half as big a troll as the last one, but,
    well, I guess people are still angry about the last
    one. Let's just say the only thing geeks defend more
    than their porn is their smokes.

    JSM, I'm disappointed you didn't show some guts and
    just mod it down. Have I pissed enough in your
    swimming pool yet? Heck, they're slandering you in
    there, equating the two of us. Even rusty's annoyed,
    and he has a sense of humor (though his reasoning
    isn't so hot).

    I think I'll leave k5 alone for a while. I'm leaving
    town in two days and won't be back for a couple weeks,
    though I'll have net access in between. Maybe when I
    get back, I'll have developed some maturity. 'Night,
    all.

    (This is CP0006)

  81. I'm Sorry Lockwood - Song Parody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Kicked Vlad's Ass On Trolltalk by the AV3
    (To the tune of Cleaning Out My Closet by Eminem)

    I'm sorry Lockwood!
    I really meant to hurt you!
    I'm glad that I could make you cry, and tonight
    I kicked your ass on Trolltalk.
    I said I'm sorry Scotty!
    It's really fun to flame you!
    It's not real hard to make you cry, and tonight
    I called you out on Trolltalk.

    Vlad's got some skeletons in his closet
    And I think that everyone knows it
    There's so much shit in his mouth that he can't close it
    I'ma expose him; I'll take you back to '69
    Before he started crapflooding Slashdot all the time
    He was a baby, maybe just a couple of months
    The Priest at his church bit off his penis for lunch
    Now he's grown up, and he likes to fuck kids in the eye
    No person would love him; we all wish he would die
    He's got a hippo for a wife who'd never leave his side
    She WANTS to leave, though, but she's too fat to try
    To squeeze her ass out the door, so her life's a mistake
    She and Scott should both die, for their own Vlad-damn sake
    But Vlad's a behemoth, and might not get out of bed today
    We all know that he's stupid; no doubt that he's dumb
    And the dumbest shit he did was not shoot himself with that gun
    He shoulda killed himself, him and Theresa both
    They've got no life, so just call them "The Crapflooder Show"

    I'm sorry Vladdy!
    It's so tempting to flame you!
    You really want to make me hurl, and tonight
    I kicked Vlad's ass on Trolltalk.
    I said I'm sorry Lockwood!
    It's easy shit to hurt him!
    It's mighty fun to ream him good, and tonight
    I called him out on Trolltalk.

    Now I would never diss Scott just to get recognition
    Take a second to listen to why it's him that I'm dissin'
    But put yourself in my position, just try to envision
    Witnessing a man being an asshole for a livin'
    Crying and moaning about others when his own civility's missin'
    DoSing and spamming, practicing Asshole-Jerk Syndrome
    His whole life he's been a Nazi to others
    Now he grew up, got no friends, and a really huge stomach
    Isn't it? Isn't that the reason he's even hated by his own Ma?
    He cries in his bathtub and he has to wear a bra
    But guess what, Scott's getting older, and he's going to die lonely
    He's been divorced three times, and they all think he's a phony
    He's so evil now, he could never know something beautiful
    Nobody likes him, he'll be the only one at his funeral!
    See what sucks about him most is he won't admit he's a dick
    Everybody who knows him thinks he should be beat with a stick
    What he doesn't know is what you give, you will get
    That selfish punk, now it's time for him to drown in his own shit
    Remember when he was dumped by wives #1 2 and 3?
    Well guess what, everyone hates him; that's the way it should be!

    I'm sorry William!
    It's so much fun to hurt you!
    I know you're gunna go and cry, and tonight
    Scott's crying in his bathtub.
    I said I'm sorry Scotty!
    Too bad that you're unstable!
    Maybe you should see a shrink, but tonight
    I'll shred your ass on Trolltalk.

    I'm sorry Lockwood!
    Too bad I have to hurt you!
    You're responsible for what you do, and tonight
    You're hereby banned from Trolltalk.
    I said I'm sorry Cockface!
    I only try to help you!
    You need to reasses your life, and for now,
    Stay fuck away from Trolltalk.

  82. Scott Lockwood The Oathbreaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Thoughout history, many names have been used to describe those who are on the wrong moral path in life: coward, criminal, fiend, monster, vagrant, lunatic. It's without question that William Scott Lockwood III is all of these things, but these are things that can be forgiven. William Scott Lockwood III's sins run deeper.

    In many cultures, the greatest moral offense a man can commit isn't murder, robbery, rape, arson, or even blasphemy. In these cultures, there's a word for someone who is even lower than the murderers and rapists, because he has demonstrated with clear finality his lack of moral character. This one word, never used carelessly, reserved only for the lowest of the low is oathbreaker.

    Many societies value personal honor, honesty, and integrity above anything else. People can make mistaks, and still maintain their honor if they take accountability for their actions. But the oathbreaker is the lowest of the low, never to be forgiven, and never to be trusted. This is because he has voluntarily sacrified the only thing that every man brings with him into the world, and the only thing that every man (hopefully) takes with him into the grave: his honor.

    When a man's honor is gone, he has nothing.

    Ladies and gentlemen, William Scott Lockwood III has nothing. If our society were still built on the concept that a man's word is sacred and that honoring others with the truth is a noble goal, William Scott Lockwood III would be dead right now.

    A man's word is his bond, and when he breaks his word, he's no longer a man at all. He's worse than a coward, worse than a liar, and worse than a thief, but he's all these things and more. He's an oathbreaker.

    In the past, oathbreakers become nonpersons. They stand below even murderers and thieves. Even beggars would not give or recieve comfort from an oathbreaker. Quite often, they were simply killed outright. Sometimes, they were merely cut off from honest society, trusted by no one, alienated until the day they died. After their death, their families were shunned and distrusted forever, because a man holds in his hand no only his own honor, but the honor of his family as well.

    The Lockwood family has no honor left. The Lockwood family has no place in honest society, among civilized humans, because they have no honor, and they are not a part of civilization.

    Killing an oathbreaker was considered to be an act of mercy, sending a tortured soul on to final judgement instead of forcing him to live an empty, hollow life.

    Maybe it's time that we bring back the practice of killing oathbreakers, and ensuring that their bloodline does not propogate. Maybe a lack of honesty is what's wrong with our society. Maybe that's why everything is falling into chaos around us. When you can't trust a man's word, what basis is there for civilization?

    I think upon consideration that you will agree: William Scott Lockwood III is less than a gentlemen, less even than a man, less even than a human, less even than an animal. William Scott Lockwood III is an oathbreaker.

  83. The Information You Requested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    SIR:


    This is TealMicrodot again, still filling in for my friend, the original Microdot, who is having some trouble with an IP-Ban at the moment. He was right about the rampant censorship happening here. Deleted accounts, IP bans, comments being entirely deleted rather than just hidden, weird stuff going on so that certain comments are visible when not logged in but invisible to logged in users -- this is Democracy? We have proof of all of this, and we're compiling all the evidence we get.


    Anyway, here's the hyena information you requested:


    Female hyenas are virtually indistinguishable from males. Their clitoris is enlarged and extended to form an organ of the same size, shape, and position as the male penis. It can also be erected. Their labia have folded up and fused to form a false scrotum that is not discernibly different in external form or location from the true scrotum of males.


    It even contains fatty tissue forming two swellings easily mistaken for testicles. Authors of the most recent paper on spotted hyenas found the appearance of males and females so close that sex could only be determined with certainty by palpation of the scrotum. Testes could be located in the scrotum of the male compared with soft adipose tissue in the false scrotum of the female.

  84. Vladequacy - The Secrets Revealed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4682 572
    <bc> hehe
    <bc> god I suck
    <bc> hey FI
    <First_Incision> I will not discout the possibility that you suck.
    <bc> A wise move FI
    <abu_zeqqzeqq> bc: if craig is as fucked up as he seemse
    <abu_zeqqzeqq> that will push him to new extremes...
    <bc> hehee
    <First_Incision> I never understood the stone women thing. Is osm still perving around somewhere?
    <momocrome> http://www.clusterlizard.org
    <momocrome> osm's site ^^
    <bc> yes, though who knows what he's up to
    <abu_zeqqzeqq> bc: change your nick to "Abu'l Hayjeh "
    <momocrome> he has a bunch of uninspired match.com pseudo-trolls
    <momocrome> picking on hapless, lonely women
    <bc> that irc log is hilarious
    <dmg> that takest the biscuit
    <bc> [bc] vlad... i'2 type 'mo ;but i drunk.
    <dmg> I laughed
    <momocrome> post the text to 20721
    <momocrome> stir the pot a bit
    <momocrome> I am going to rise to their baiting
    <momocrome> even thoughI haven't been singled out
    <bc> haha
    <bc> I must read more now
    <bc> county: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4675 437
    <ivan> Ignore the superfluous comma.
    <bc> does that seem accurate to you?
    <ivan> All of them =)
    <ivan> thx
    *** First_Incision is now known as fi-away
    <ivan> I can't say, bc. I didn't read it.
    <ivan> Should I?
    <bc> Yes, you should
    <ivan> Haha!
    <abu_zeqqzeqq> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_686841.html?m enu=news.weirdworld.sexlife
    <ivan> It almost looks real.
    <ivan> The one problem is that shoeboy is LOLing too much and Vladinator isn't doing it enough.
    <bc> I'm kind of insulted. It represents me as a pathetic drunk with delusional fantasies that I'm liked by females, and that seems entirely untrue
    <abu_zeqqzeqq> gratuituous kylie pictures. Proof Allah(SWT) and Mohammed (PBUH) are REAL
    <ivan> It does seem entirely untrue that you're liked by females.
    <abu_zeqqzeqq> bc at least you are worthy of parody
    <bc> hehe
    <abu_zeqqzeqq> some of us are become stalinesque non-persons.
    <abu_zeqqzeqq> airbrushed out of trolling history
    <ivan> abu and I didn't even get noticed :(
    <bc> craig&osm&trollaxor prolly still like you, dmg
    <ivan> "Where's the part where Barry Corrington slags on Jin Wicked for half an hour then kisses her ass when she logs in?"
    <ivan> Has Jin ever been in here?

  85. By MV - Why Scott Lockwood Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    As quite possibly the only member of the old-school Slashdot trolls to ever actually attempt a serious and meaningful conversation with Mr. Lockwood (it worked, briefly), I feel compelled to comment on this.

    That Geekizoid is an inanity is beyond dispute. That it is what it is almost entirely because of Mr. Lockwood is also beyond dispute. That Mr. Lockwood has, furthermore, contributed substantially to the deterioration of every site to which he has ever posted, save only those which were beyond redemption before he ever saw them (a category which arguably includes Slashdot), I will not dispute. That all of this, along with the other charges leveled against him, proves that Mr. Lockwood sucks, I will not dispute.

    The real question behind all this, though, is not whether Mr. Lockwood sucks, but why Mr. Lockwood sucks. One might say that it does not matter, noting, by analogy, that one does not psychoanalyze a rabid dog, but instead simply puts it out of its misery. But it does matter, for in his own odd and frightening way, Scott Lockwood is Everyman. If you do not understand him, you do not understand anyone, probably including yourself.

    Everyone, seemingly, detests Mr. Lockwood. Given that he had been married four times before he turned 30, this "everyone" may well include three ex-wives (last I heard, we're still waiting for his inevitable fourth divorce). From various anecdotes he has let drop over the years, there are a variety of real-life acquaintances, co-workers, and blood relatives in this category as well. So clearly, this is not just an online phenomenon; Mr. Lockwood is not a caring, sensitive man who lets off steam late at night by flaming people on weblogs. He is like this all the time. It is not a pose. It is the real Scott Lockwood, at 200 proof.

    Mr. Lockwood himself is not unaware of this. He knows (and wishes it were not so) that dislike follows him around like the odor of alcohol trails after a drunk. But he has no idea why this is so. He knows it has to do with his abrasive and temperamental demeanor; he knows that his argumentative and self-righteous comments, and his complaints of being mistreated, win him no friends. But the connection between the cause and the effect, and the difference between his conduct and most other people's, escapes him. He has given up hope of understanding or improving the situation; he expects that it will continue, without change, for the rest of his life.

    Mr. Lockwood does not understand that all of these things are symptomatic of a malaise that underlies his entire life. It is a condition that he was very nearly born with, and one which victimizes nearly all people to some degree. Most of us are not nearly as bad off as Mr. Lockwood; but there are some that have much more severe cases than him. Many rapists, murderers, and other violent criminals fall into that latter category. But even those of us who merely think ourselves better or smarter than everyone else, or who consider ourselves fit to decide what is right for everyone else, or who mock others for what they believe, are victims of this condition to some degree. I include myself in this; I do not claim (yet) to be speaking from a perspective completely outside the state of disease.

    Mr. Lockwood's problem, to put it simply, is that he perceives the universe to be antagonistic to him. He has divided the universe into Self and Other, and decided that these two are eternal antagonists. Everything is his enemy; every action that anyone takes (other than to praise him), he perceives as some sort of attack, and he retaliates accordingly. He is convinced, although probably only subconsciously, that his life is a war in which he stands alone against all the forces of the universe. It is, in essence, the ultimate in paranoia.

    As I wrote above, nearly everyone shares this condition to some extent. Many serial killers operate on the principle that, life being a never-ending battle that they will ultimately lose, they should take as many of the "enemy" with them as they can before they fall. But even ordinary people mostly act on analogous principles. Many people exploit the world around them in destructive or insensitive ways, or mistreat their fellow humans needlessly. This is all a consequence of defining the Other as an enemy; and this, in turn, is based on the fundamental error of dividing the universe into Self and Other.

    What we all (Mr. Lockwood included) should strive for is an end to this division, which is really only a matter of mental habits, not an a priori property of existence. It derives from the infant's perception that part of what he perceives obeys his will and sends him sensory input (Self), and the rest does not (Other). The antagonism between these two hypothesized entities derives from the instinctive desire on the child's part to impose his will on everything; Other does not do what he wants, and is therefore the enemy. And so the infant makes the fundamental error that haunts him, in most cases, for the rest of his life.

    This is what makes Mr. Lockwood tick. It is probably also what makes you tick. Think about that carefully before flaming him simply because his case is a bit worse than yours -- if indeed you are better off.

    --mv

  86. Amherst-Fag and the Bacon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    From: cptroll
    To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] why the internet rules
    Date sent: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:29:43 -0500
    Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    (This is CP0037)

    Did you get that from ilovebacon.com? Because if you did, then I'm disappointed you didn't note how those industrious Germans are at it again. Who else could pick up on the failure of dogs to read their 'no pooping' signs (http://ilovebacon.bla-bla.com/noway/110300.shtml) and pioneer an entirely PICTOGRAPHIC version (http://ilovebacon.bla-bla.com/noway/112100c.shtml ).

    Without such innovation at home, it's little wonder Amerika is scraping
    the bottom of the corporate barrel abroad.

    jlb <jlb@io.com> wrote:
    >http://www.d111.k12.id.us/BHS/BHS.htm

    (This is CP0037)

  87. Happy New Year B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    MAUREEN: I think we need an agent!
    MARK: We?
    JOANNE: That's selling out.
    MARK: But it's nice to dream.
    MAUREEN: It's network TV, and it's all thanks to me.
    MARK: Somehow I think I smell the whiff of a scheme.
    JOANNE: Me too!
    MAUREEN: We can plan another protest.
    JOANNE: We?!
    MAUREEN: This time you can shoot from the start, you'll direct, starring me!
    ALL: 5, 4, 3... Open sesame!! Happy new year, Happy new year Happy new...
    BENNY: I see that you've beaten me to the punch.
    ROGER: How did you know we'd be here?
    BENNY: I had a hunch.
    MARK: You're not mad?
    BENNY: I'm here to end this war. It's a shame you went and destroyed the door
    MIMI: Why all the sudden the big about face?
    BENNY: The credit is yours; you made a good case.
    ROGER: What case?
    BENNY: Mimi came to see me and she had much to say.
    MIMI: That's not how you put it at all yesterday!
    BENNY: I couldn't stop thinking about the whole mess. Mark -- you want to get this on film!
    MARK: I guess.
    BENNY: I regret the unlucky circumstances of the past seven days.
    ROGER: Circumstance? You padlocked our door!
    BENNY: And it's with great pleasure on behalf of CyberArts that I hand you this key.
    ANGEL: Golf claps.
    MARK: I have no juice in my battery!
    BENNY: Reshoot!
    ROGER: I see -- this is a photo opportunity!
    MAUREEN: The benevolent god ushers the poor artists back to their flat. Were you planning on taking down the barbed wire from the lot, too?
    ROGER: Anything but that!
    BENNY: Clearing the lot was a safety concern; we break ground this month but you can return.
    MAUREEN: That's why you're here with people you hate, instead of with Muffy at Muffy's estate
    BENNY: I'd honestly rather be with you tonight than in Westport --
    ROGER: Spare us old sport, the soundbite.
    BENNY: Mimi -- since your ways are so seductive,
    MIMI: You came on to me!
    BENNY: Persuade him not to be so counterproductive.
    ROGER: Liar!
    BENNY: Why not tell them what you wore to my place?
    MIMI: I was on my way to work!
    BENNY: Black leather and lace! My desk was a mess; I think I'm still sore!
    MIMI: Cause I kicked him and told him I wasn't his whore!
    BENNY: Does your boyfriend know who your last boyfriend was?
    ROGER: I'm not her boyfriend; I don't care what she does!
    ANGEL: People! Is this any way to start a new year? Have compassion, Benny just lost his cat!
    BENNY: My dog -- but I appreciate that.
    ANGEL: My cat had a fall and I went through hell.
    BENNY: It's like losing a -- how did you know that she fell?
    COLLINS: Champagne?
    BENNY: Don't mind if I do! To dogs!
    ALL: No, Benny -- To you!
    ANGEL: Let's make a resolution
    MIMI: I'll drink to that.
    COLLINS: Let's always stay friends.
    JOANNE: Though we may have our disputes,
    MAUREEN: This family tree's got deep roots;
    MARK: Friendship is thicker than blood.
    ROGER: That depends.
    MIMI: Depends on trust,
    ROGER: Depends on true devotion,
    JOANNE: Depends on love,
    MARK: Depends on not denying emotion!
    ROGER: Perhaps...
    ALL: It's gonna be a happy new year.
    ROGER: I guess...
    ALL: It's gonna be a happy new year.
    ROGER: You're right!
    ANGEL: It's gonna be a happy new year!
    ROGER AND MIMI: I'm sorry.
    ROGER: Coming?
    MIMI: In a minute -- I'm fine -- go.
    THE MAN: Well, well, well. What have we here? It's gonna be a happy new year...

  88. VLADEQUACY RAW & UNCUT 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    [dmg] and then I will be in Tokyo/south Korea in April
    [dmg] Who are you anyway Lumpen ?
    [bc] you are drunk ever 36 hours
    [dmg] I am not sure I should be giving this information out.
    [Lumpen] Just a fan, dmg.
    [county] Well, I need to stay sober for now, because I have a date!
    [First_Incision] why am I always sober? I should take up this drinking thing.
    [county] Yes, do.
    [First_Incision] maybe I just need to get used to it. I could never drink enough to get drunk. Once I could feel stupidity creeping up, I could never bring myself to continue.
    [county] Strange.
    [dmg] county: did you get your date from reading the excellent dating advice available here on #adequacy ?
    [county] Once I can feel stupidity creeping up, I can't bring myself to stop.
    [county] dmg, I actually lied about having a date.
    [Lumpen] does #adequacy have a dating-advice bot?
    [dmg] county: its IRC
    [dmg] you can lie if you want
    [First_Incision] Lumpen: it should!
    [First_Incision] zuul, dating?
    [zuul] first_incision: wish i knew
    [First_Incision] zuul, women?
    [zuul] bugger all, i dunno, first_incision
    [First_Incision] zuul, men?
    [zuul] men are really just boys with financial responsibilities
    [dmg] zuul, should I visit a whore ?
    [zuul] dmg: wish i knew
    [county] I witnessed an shocking display of female pettiness and cruelty today. It put me off.
    [Lumpen] /msg datebot Why aren't women drawn to my l33t Linux skilz?
    [First_Incision] zuul, linux
    [zuul] hmmm... linux is a big POS half rate OS that encourages pirates and blatant faggotry!!!!!
    [bc] perhaps you aren't skillful enough
    [First_Incision] there you go!
    [bc] if you can use these skills to make lots&LOTS of money, they will be drawn to those skills
    [Lumpen] Not skilzful enough?
    [dmg] zuul, bsd
    [zuul] rumour has it bsd is dying
    *** bc has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer)
    *** Sulla (gallus@modem-2446.porcupine.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #adequacy
    [Lumpen] But I installed the Linux on my home b0xen all by myself!
    [Lumpen] You should just reopen Adequacy. The joke has gone on long enough.
    [First_Incision] Perdida has her Iniquity "Daily", but I can't seem to finish an article for it.
    [Lumpen] Iniquity?
    [First_Incision] www.iniquitydaily.com
    [dmg] adequacy is dead. Red ink flowed like a river of blood! you didn't have to be Kreskin to see that it was dying. Fact: adequacy is dead.
    [county] perdida has a scoop site?
    [county] Oh heavens, do spare us.
    [Lumpen] It looks like the most recent article on iniquitydaily was posted about a month ago.
    [First_Incision] yeah
    [Lumpen] Lame.
    [First_Incision] And it was a k5 reject
    [cyn-away] bc knows more about it

  89. HDTV + PVR = ? by Osty · · Score: 1

    Hear hear!


    There is a distinct lack of input methods for high definition video signals (or even low-definition, progressive-scan, widescreen signals like ATSC) for PCs, and one can only assume that it's because of DRM issues (firewire, USB2, and even AGP 8x should have more than enough bandwidth even for 1080i high definition streams). I made an attempt at building my own PVR (hey, why not, eh?), but the thing that made me finally give up the ghost on it was when my cable provider finally brought HDTV to my area (okay, so there was the whole overscan issue, and the inability to get a decent 1080i modeline for my video card and TV, but even had I figured out either or both of those, I still would've ended up SOL because I can't take HD video input). I wish I had a PVR, but when it comes down to it, I'll choose the Sopranos in High Definition over the ability to record the Sopranos. Give me both, and I'll happily pay!


    I don't know who needs to get their heads out of their asses, but whoever it is, please do so! You've got a very good market of upscale, early adopters willing to spend good money for this kind of service. Capitalize! I'd be all over a TiVO that handled HD signals (1080i preferably, but I'd suffer with 480p) on component inputs (since I get my HD over cable, and not OTA, the HD tuners out there are useless), let me time shift and record, and cost < $1000, and I'm sure many others out there would be as well.

    1. Re:HDTV + PVR = ? by captaineo · · Score: 2

      You are right, there is a distinct lack of recordable consumer-level HDTV interconnects right now. You've got analog component, but nobody seems interested in recording it (plus the MPAA et al probably want it to go away ASAP since it's not encrypted).

      The two digital standards are FireWire (IEC 61883-4) and DVI. In the next few years I expect most HDTV tuners and TVs will sprout at least one of these, and analog component will fade away. I have a JVC D-VHS deck with FireWire I/O, and I've successfully captured and played back 1080i ATSC video using a custom Linux utility. This proves it is possible to construct a HDTV PVR...

      The big sticking point of course is the copy-prevention business. Currently ATSC broadcasts are not encrypted, and some HDTV tuners can be modified to output the unencrypted signal via FireWire. However, it is likely that all transmission of HDTV video over FireWire will be encrypted in the near future (or there will be a "don't copy" bit embedded in the video, backed by DMCA enforcement). DVI has been scrambled from its beginning as an HDTV transport format. (AFAIK DVI sends uncompressed video, so it's not clear you'd be able to record it even without any encryption)

      I've heard rumors that the encryption developers have not learned their lesson and are still using cryptographically weak algorithms. So we might very well a DeCSS-like utility for decrypting HDTV FireWire streams.

  90. Amherst-Fag and the Educated Escort 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    From: Ceee Peee
    To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    Subject: [k22320inchfan] What better way to spread the holiday joy...
    Date sent: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:10:17 -0800 (PST)
    Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    (This is CP0009)

    What better way to spread the holiday joy than to vote
    up Anne Marie's new k5 article on pornography?
    (http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2000 /12/25/225554/21&mode=mo
    derate)
    Pornography: it's what we do, so it's what we should discuss.

    (This is CP0009)

  91. Amherst-Fag and the Educated Escort 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    From: Ceee Peee
    To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    Subject: [k22320inchfan] Thank you, thank you, you're too kind
    Date sent: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:25:56 -0800 (PST)
    Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    (This is CP0010)

    Hooray for me; I made front page on k5. The vitriol
    is so thick you can cut it with a spoon (or
    something). I don't have time at the moment (and I'm
    waiting for another k5 account to come in the mail...)
    but the idiots have come forward with such force that
    clue-stick beatings must abound or there is no justice
    in this world.

    First priority: make the idiots realize that the only
    reason why they're decrying my story as a troll is
    because they recognize "Anne Marie" as its author.
    The same thing submitted under a different name
    would've been posted or rejected for editorial reasons
    without fanfare. In fact, as standards of trolling
    go, this one wasn't much of one, apart from the
    general inflamatoriness of the topic and the signature
    last paragraph (which I mean every word of). Be sure
    to note siggy's puerility at the bottom of the article
    -- submitting stories just to piss him off is proving
    to be enough incentive in its own right. His reaction
    on #k5 which I alas don't have archived (running
    around with his head chopped off screaming "troll")
    was priceless.

    (This is CP0010)

  92. La Vie Boheme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    LA VIE BOHEME

    Restaurant Man: No please no, not tonight please no, mister - can't you go - not tonight - can't have a scene!
    Roger: What?
    Restaurant Man: Go, please go; You - hello, sir - I said, "No", Important customer!
    Mark: What am I - just a blur?
    Restaurant Man: You sit all night - you never buy!
    Mark: That's a lie - that's a lie, I had a tea the other day
    Restaurant Man: You couldn't pay!
    Mark: Oh yeah.
    Collins: Benjamin Coffin III -- here?
    Restaurant Man: Oh no!
    All: Wine and beer!
    Maureen: The enemy of Avenue A. We'll stay.
    Restaurant Man: Oiy vey!
    Collins: What brings the mogul in his own mind to the Life Cafe?
    Benny: I would like to propose a toast, to Maureen's noble try. It went well.
    Maureen: Go to hell!
    Benny: Was the yuppie scum stomped? Not counting the homeless, how many tickets weren't comped?
    Roger: Why did Muffy --
    Benny: Alison!
    Roger: Miss the show?
    Benny: There was a death in the family if you must know.
    Angel: Who died?
    Benny: Our Akita--
    All: Evita!
    Benny: Mimi - I'm surprised, a bright and charming girl like you, hangs out with these slackers, (who don't adhere to deals). They make fun - yet I'm the one attempting to do some good, or do you really want a neighborhood where people piss on your stoop every night? Bohemia, Bohemia is a fallacy in your head. This is Calcutta; Bohemia is dead.
    Mark: Dearly beloved we gather here to say our goodbyes Here she lies, no one knew her worth, the late great daughter of mother earth, on this night when we celebrate the birth, in that little town of Bethlehem, we raise our glass - you bet your ass to - La vie Boheme
    All: La vie Boheme, La vie Boheme, La vie Boheme, La vie Boheme.
    Mark: To days of inspiration, playing hookey, making something out of nothing, the need to express - to communicate, to going against the grain, going insane, going mad. To loving tension, no pension, to more than one dimension, to starving for attention, hating convention, hating pretension, not to mention of course, hating dear old mom and dad! To riding your bike, midday past the three piece suits, to fruits - to no absolutes - to Absolut - to choice - to the Village Voice - to any passing fad!
    Maureen: Is the equipment in a pyramid?
    Joanne: It is, Maureen
    Maureen: The mixer doesn't have a case. Don't give me that face!
    Mr. Grey: Ahhemm.
    Maureen: Hey Mister - she's my sister!
    Restaurant Man: So that's five miso soup, four seaweed salad, three soy burger dinner, two tofu dog platter and one pasta with meatless balls.
    Boy: Ugh!
    Collins: It tastes the same
    Mimi: If you close your eyes
    Restaurant Man: And thirteen orders of fries. Is that it here?
    All: Wine and beer!
    Mimi & Angel: To hand-crafted beers made in local breweries, to yoga, to yogurt, to rice and beans and cheese, to leather, to dildos, to curry vindaloo, to huevos rancheros and Maya Angelou.
    Maureen & Collins: Emotion, devotion, to causing a commotion. Creation, vacation--
    Mark: Mucho masturbation!
    Maureen & Collins: Compassion, to fashion, to passion when it's new
    Various: To Sontag, to Sondheim, to anything taboo. Ginsberg, Dylan, Cunningham and Cage, Lenny Bruce, Langston Hughes, to the stage! To Uta, to Buddha, Pablo Neruda, too. Why Dorothy and Toto went over the rainbow to blow off Auntie Em. La vie Boheme!
    Maureen: And wipe the speakers off before you pack!
    Joanne: Yes, Maureen
    Maureen: Well - hurry back!
    Mr. Grey: Sisters?
    Maureen: We're close.
    Various: Brothers! Bisexuals, trisexuals, homo sapiens, carcinogens, hallucinogens, men, Pee Wee Herman, German wine, turpentine, Gertrude Stein, Antonioni, Bertolucci, Kurosawa, Carmina Burana. To apathy, to entropy, to empathy, ecstasy
    Vaclav Havel - The Sex Pistols, 8BC, to no shame - never playing the Fame Game-- to marijuana! To sodomy, it's between God and me... to S & M.
    Benny: Waiter...Waiter...Waiter
    All: La vie Boheme!
    Collins: In honor of the death of Bohemia an impromptu salon will commence immediately following dinner... Mimi Marquez, clad only in bubble wrap, will perform her famous lawn chair-handcuff dance to the sounds of iced tea being stirred.
    Roger: Mark Cohen will preview his new documentary about his inability to hold an erection on high holy days.
    Mark: Maureen Johnson, back from her spectacular one-night engagement at the eleventh street lot, will sing Mative American tribal chants backwards through her vocoder, while accompanying herself on the electric cello - which she has never studied.
    Benny: Your new boyfriend doesn't know about us?
    Mimi: There's nothing to know.
    Benny: Don't you think that we should discuss --
    Mimi: It was three months ago.
    Benny: He doesn't act like he's with you.
    Mimi: We're taking it slow.
    Benny: Where is he now?
    Mimi: He's right -- hmm. Where'd he go?
    Mark: Roger will attempt to write a bittersweet, evocative song. That doesn't remind us of "Musetta's Waltz"
    Collins: Angel Dumott Schunard will now model the latest fall fashions from Paris while accompanying herself on the 10 gallon plastic pickle tub.
    Angel: And Collins will recount his exploits as an anarchist - including the successful reprogramming of the M.I.T. virtual reality equipment to self-destruct, as it broadcast the words: "Actual reality - Act Up - Fight AIDS"
    Benny: Check!!
    Mimi: Excuse me - did I do something wrong? I get invited - then ignored - all night long.
    Roger: I've been trying - I'm not lying, no one's perfect. I've got baggage!
    Mimi: Life's too short, babe, time is flying. I'm looking for baggage that goes with mine
    Roger: I should tell you --
    Mimi: I've got baggage too --
    Roger: I should tell you --
    Mimi: I got baggage too --
    Roger: I should tell you --
    Both: Baggage - wine --
    Others: And beer!
    Mimi: AZT break
    Roger: You?
    Mimi: Me. You?
    Roger: Mimi...

  93. The History of William Scott Lockwood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    WSL throughout the ages!

    William Scott Lockwood 1 - Born 1924 to unknown parents. Abandoned in a trash can in New Orleans by his opium-addicted prostitute mother just minutes after birth. Raised in a Catholic orphanage staffed by pedophile priests. Named himself "William Scott Lockwood 1", combining the names of his three favorite Priests/lovers at the orphanage. After puberty, the priests started to ignore him in favor of the younger boys, and he felt jealous and alienated. He ran away at age 14 and lived in the gayest part of the French Quarter, sucking cocks for spare change. At age 17, his first and only sexual encounter with a female (a woman on Bourbon Street during Mardi Gras who claimed she was actually a male Drag Queen) resulted in the conception of a child. The woman, Fannie Sassaman, quickly left town and gave birth to the child in secret, without telling WSL1 that they had conceived a son together. WSL1 died in 1949 when his herpes infection migrated to his brain.

    William Scott Lockwood 2 - Born 1942 to Fannie Sassaman by WSL1. Originally named Ezekiel Sassaman and raised as a good Jewish boy. A botched circumcision by a drunken Mohil left him with an almost nonfunctional penis. From the ages of 3 to 8, he was forced by his mother to shovel coal on a railroad for a living. At age 8, he learned of the true identity of his father, converted to Catholicism, and went to New Orleans to search for his father. (Fannie Sassaman's story doesn't end there, but we'll save it for a later date.) Ezekiel Sassaman renamed himself William Scott Lockwood 2 after his father, who he found lying dead in a gutter when he reached New Orleans. He joined up with a railroad hobo gang, and spent the next two decades riding the rails and carrying out a string of brutal rapes and murders around the country. His damaged penis kept him from conceiving any children, but in 1969, God blessed him with a miracle: one of the women he raped conceived a child. He married her, and shortly thereafter, WSL3 was born. WSL2 quit the railroad gang after his son's birth and settled down with his victim/wife. He is still wanted by the FBI as one of the most notorious serial killers of this century. He is considered heavily armed, extremely dangerous, and morbidly obese. Let the FBI know if you have seen this man. They have offered a $1,000,000 reward for any information leading to his arrest, capture, or death. After a recent sighting at an Illinois hospital, he is once again at large.

    William Scott Lockwood 3 - Born 1969 to a nondescript obese housewife by WSL2. Much has already been written about the life of this man, so I won't cover territory that has already been excellently covered by others before me. Oh, and he runs an obscure website, but only about 5 people actually visit it. Currently struggling with AIDS, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, chronic stress, liver disease, herpes, genital warts, crabs, the Clap, bad acne, morbid obesity, hypertension, and several unidentified illnesses.

    William Scott Lockwood 4 - Born 1992 to Wife #2 by WSL3. Mentally scarred by the abuse and molestation he suffered at the hands of his father at a young age. At age 3, he convinced his mother to divorce WSL3, but that didn't stop the abuse, as WSL3 began a campaign of stalking against Wife #2 and WSL4. WSL4 holds the world record as the youngest person to independently get a restraining order issued against his own father, in 1996 at the age of 4. WSL3 lost interest in WSL4 on his sixth birthday, reportedly saying "they're just not sexy anymore when they get that old." His father left him with an AIDS infection, though, and he isn't expected to last much longer.

    William Scott Lockwood 5 - ???

    William Scott Lockwood 6 - PROFIT!!!

  94. Amherst-Fag and the Mann by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    From: Ceee Peee
    To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] sunday adventure at deny's
    Date sent: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:15:42 -0800 (PST)
    Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
    (This is CP0014)

    Sometimes I'm jealous of you, Warren. Not the
    paranoia or the psychotropic haze you walk around in
    often, but the way even the smallest experiences are
    so well /lived/ by you. If I were to go to Denny's
    (only slightly higher on my list than Cracker Barrel
    -- a racist homophobic trailertrash chickenshit
    restaurant, for the edification of the Brits in the
    audience), it'd hardly register on my mind to notice
    half the stuff you do. Sure, I can remember lots in
    hindsight, like the Weslyan wicca-ish waitress who
    served me and my gf's family at a veganish restaurant
    in Middletown, CT at lunch today, but you turn it into
    your own opera.

    Maybe I'm depressed. Maybe I'm just normal. I'd like
    to think it's the former.

    (This is CP0014)

  95. For A Good Time Call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    1-815-727-0670
    1-815-723-4796

  96. Other Things Being Equal, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Adequacy Still Sucks Ass!

  97. Amherst-Fag and the Slashdot Psychology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    From: cptroll
    To: <k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org>
    Subject: [k22320inchfan] slashdot psychology:
    Date sent: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:45:41 -0400
    Send reply to: k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org
    (This is CP0033)

    Not to inject an actual troll discussion into Careertalk, but... how can their brains work this way?

    I got into the @Home article really late (http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/10/25/2131 217&cid=501) with a 95% accurate comment about how tort reforms during the '60s tolled the death knell of contract law in favor of strict liability for product manufacturers. The 5% fantasy part was the bit at the end:

    "For the most part, that's entirely justified, but it does produce odd results from time to time, like when an auto company was recently sued successfully because their cars didn't prevent consumers from locking their infants in the car on a hot day, forgetting they were there, and coming back to find a thoroughly asphyxiated baby."

    It proved not to be too late to get a response, however. A fellow named jetson123 chimed in with his thoughts and added at the end:

    "Usually, when you follow up on these stories, you'll find that there is quite a bit of justification for the judgement. (In this case, I suspect this refers to a design flaw many US cars have that makes it unnecessarily easy to accidentally lock yourself out.)"

    HOW CAN THEIR BRAINS WORK THIS WAY?!?! What does he think happens? The parent accidentally locks himself out of the car and watches helplessly as his baby roasts to death inside? Too lazy to break the damn window? I clearly stated that the parent *forgot* that the kid was there. Or is that part of the "design flaw" too?

    Sheesh.

    (This is CP0033)

  98. 24 inches? ha! by Osty · · Score: 1

    Come play with the big boys! Anything less than 46" (16:9, no less) is not worth watching.

  99. what a load by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like the sound of CASE fans...

    Mostly since it drowns out the buzzing of the flies sniffing your sorry ass.

  100. lie like a carpet...try 17" monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your journal says you have a Gateway EV700...that would be the $99.00 17" TigerDirect model, would it not?

    The only thing about you that's anywhere near 36" is your nose...get a life away from the keyboard...this paper-thin one you've got here is not cutting it.

  101. OOoo! by shepd · · Score: 1

    So now a super-expensive device can not only do what the old ones did, but also:

    - Replicate the basic functionality of a 1992 Kodak PhotoCD player
    - Play MP3s like a 3 year old $50 APEX DVD player

    All at an additional cost. Hey, who knows, maybe they'll include a Commodore CD-i player for an extra $100 per year?

    Wow. Colour me sarcastic^H^H^H^H^H^H impressed. Sorry, wedging in this old tech just isn't going to cut the mustard.

    --
    If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
  102. Other projects by brightloudnoise · · Score: 1

    I'm currently using Freevo (listed from your freshmeat link) and it's very easy to use.

    --
    brightloudnoise.com
    1. Re:Other projects by Kazymyr · · Score: 1

      Except that it doesn't do what TiVo does, i.e. it doesn't record TV!

      --
      I hadn't known there were so many idiots in the world until I started using the Internet -Stanislaw Lem
  103. Tivo does more than copy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of the reasons I'd guess people like Tivo better is that it's got a lot of features that it didn't copy from ReplayTV that make controlling what gets recorded much much easier, and that ReplayTV still hasn't copied from Tivo despite overwhelming user demand. Todo list, recording history, first-run only, no recording repeated shows withing 28 days, etc.

    Tivos versions of features that it has "copied" from ReplayTV are far better than ReplayTVs versions. Tivos multiple user adjustable priorities give much better control over conflicts than ReplayTVs "guaranteed/non-guaranteed" system without demanding the compromises that ReplayTVs system does, and Tivo wishlists offer numerous advantages over ReplayTV themes, including integration into the the features I listed above that ReplayTV doesn't have.

    ReplayTVs versions of these features Tivo just announced are strictly bare minimum stuff. MyReplayTV can still only set up recordings for tomorrow or later, even when your ReplayTV is using broadband; doesn't check anything for conflicts; only has a week of guide data; and is slow as molasses. ReplayTVs photo viewer can only do sequential slideshows. No thumbnails, no random access, no zoom. ReplayTV has again left the door wide open for Tivo to put ReplayTVs versions to shame. Of course Tivo can't be copying ReplayTVs MP3 player, since ReplayTV doesn't have one.

    Theres a huge Tivo/ReplayTV comparison at pvrcompare.com that goes way beyond little bullet lists.

    ReplayTV does not have built in 802.11 BTW.

  104. How to TANK your startup. by sPaKr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    1, Release hackable product

    2, Relase Updated Non-Hackable product

    3, Sell all hacks from first rev to second rev users.

    4, ??

    5, Profit

    6, Watch rev 2 users learn to hack box..copy hacks in, get pissed off, write xmltv guide update hack,
    cancel over priced service.

    7, After the company tanks.. try to sell it to SonicBlue (ReplayTV).

    I figure we are at 2.5. Im going to start shorting Tiv around 5.5

    1. Re:How to TANK your startup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, this is insightful. Mods on crack.

  105. MP3s, cheap TiVO by PenguinOpus · · Score: 1

    I must have gotten lucky. I bought the $99 DirecTiVO, added a $99 120G drive, and then watched DirecTV "take over" the service and reduce the cost to $5/month. Everything about my TiVO experience has been low cost. I'm suprised people aren't interested in the MP3 playing. An ethernet-enabled MP3 player puts my computer's stored music in the living room. Up until now, only the Audiotron and a couple of limited-distribution hacks have been built to do this (at least in the $500 category). PCs in the living room are ugly, loud, and/or have bad user-interface. I have high hopes for TiVOs UI to my MP3s.

  106. Re:Tivo 2 vs the spirit of CopyLeft & HDTV by mbruns · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's nothing in the text or spirit of the GPL that says Tivo needs to allow you to port new software to run on the Tivo hardware while you're using the service.

    If you don't use the service, you can use the machine for a frisbee for all they care, but if you want to use the service on a day to day basis, you need to run a certain signed version of the kernel.

    You're more than welcome to use Tivo's modifications to the kernel in your code, or any other code. That's the spirit of the GPL. Not that Tivo has too allow you to port new code to their architecture.

  107. Replay TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ReplayTV from SonicBlue (rio, etc.) already has had some of these features for over a year.

  108. High Def. by jwhyche · · Score: 0, Informative

    The Tivo and Replay are pretty cool but what about the ability to capture HDTV? All this is pretty useless to me until it does.

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  109. NPV analysis by mckwant · · Score: 2

    I hate to admit this, but I did an NPV analysis of the various payment schedules. This was back when monthly was $10, lifetime was $200, and (now unavailable) yearly was $100.

    The upshot was that monthly was cheaper until month 17-18, and lifetime was cheaper after that. Yearly never made sense. So, if you expect to keep your TiVo longer than 18 months, which plan to get is pretty clear.

    It's been pointed out that I should've included an end value for the lifetime subscription. I didn't, but that would just make the expected usefulness of the monthly plan even shorter.

    I haven't re-run the numbers for the new pricing scheme, but I expect they'd be similar.

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    1. Re:NPV analysis by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      Well, I suspect you left out the value of the lifetime sub in your analysis.

      If you have a TiVo w/ lifetime then your $250 is, essentially, recoverable. Unless the unit has a massive failure (as in, the MB fries itself) then if you sell the TiVo you can get your money back out.

      If you're paying monthly then it's money down the drain -- you've paid for it but won't get it back in any manner.

      As it happens, I paid $200 for lifetime, but I'll get $250 back if I ever sell my TiVo. Not bad!

      This, of course, assumes that TiVo continues indefinitely (if they go under then the lifetime sub is worthless), and that the hardware doesn't have a serious failure for a long, long time.

  110. Rendezvous by mbbac · · Score: 2

    Does anyone know if they're going to be using Rendezvous for the MP3 and photo viewing features? If so, that's another reason for me to possibly get cable and a Tivo.

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  111. A dim bulb brightens by bconway · · Score: 2

    There will be revenue associated with these items.

    Well I'm glad we got over THAT hurdle. Perhaps the next step will be making a profit? ;-)

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  112. Lazy! Of course! Thats what PVRs are for. Duh?? by Viewsonic · · Score: 2

    Who the hell wants to run cables and set up software on their PC to their home theater system 2 floors away? Not I. The PCs versions of Tivo are just kludges and you know it, so quit bringing it up. Buy your Tivo and be done with it.

    1. Re:Lazy! Of course! Thats what PVRs are for. Duh?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Who the hell wants to run cables and set up software on their PC to their home theater system 2 floors away? Not I.
      Uh.. maybe you have the PC in the wrong room? Or maybe you don't have enough of them?
  113. Boring by uradu · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    TiVo have had years to come up with interesting new features, and this is it? They've done NOTHING remotely interesting since the original product. You can't even officially expand storage, even though that could be a huge cash cow for them. I want to buy a second unit for the entertainment room and be able to watch shows recorded on the living room unit, and vice versa, but I can't. Owning two units simply doesn't add any interesting capabilities at all. Replay offers these kinds of features, plus their monthly fee is only $10, so with two units I'd save $6 a month. I'm seriously considering selling my Series 1 SA and getting two Replay units.

    > I'm glad for anything that would keep Tivo afloat.

    These kinds of statements are getting so old that they start to irritate and anger. TiVo apologists are like Mac fanatics: they extoll the virtues of one closed and compulsively controlling vendor over others just because the look of their products gives them warm fuzzy feelings. TiVo is much more interested in cozying up to the entertainment industry than in pleasing its customers, and if you are willing to accept that because it will "help them survive," you're beyond help. TiVo's brown-nosing hasn't stopped Hollywood in any shape or form from slamming PVRs at every opportunity and trying every which way to influence politicians to stop this "menace." Sleeping with the enemy doesn't help you survive, it just helps them gain insight into how to beat you.

    1. Re:Boring by diablochicken · · Score: 1

      Replay offers these kinds of features, plus their monthly fee is only $10, so with two units I'd save $6 a month.

      And if you owned 429 units, you'd save $1,287 a month. Wow! Now that's value.

  114. Why support Tivo? by g4dget · · Score: 2
    but I'm glad for anything that would keep Tivo afloat.

    Why? Is there any indication that other companies can't provide the same service just as well and possibly more cheaply?

    I, for one, am rather disappointed that a couple of companies have tried to build patent fences around DVRs for what are pretty simple ideas that had been "in the air" for many years. Tivo's bankruptcy wouldn't necessarily free those patents, but at least it would demonstrate again that patent landgrabs don't assure commercial success.

    I think this support for Tivo is similar to the support for Microsoft: people are saw awed by a product or feature that they don't stop to ask the question: how well could others do in this market if they had the chance?

  115. Slow to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm underwhelmed by these new features. And it took them a year go get them out.

    I have the original TiVo and I don't feel at all compelled to get the new one.

    The only thing my box was missing was a huge hard drive. I solved that. :-)

  116. Mod this sucker down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's amazing that you linked to 9th tee's turbonet product, and yet completely missed the USB/Ethernet stuff [9thtee.com] I was just talking about for TiVo 2's.

    No... it's amazing that you said the same thing as three guys before you, and you got modded up. :P

  117. Serious question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Does a post get modded flamebait due to how it sounds, or due to how many flames it gets? Because if it weren't for the fact that a couple people responded with just slightly incensed replies, I would have thought that the parent had a perfectly legitimate question.

  118. Thinking about Tivo? Look at ReplayTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just bought a ReplayTV. Comes with IR Blaster so it will work with just about any brand of satelite decoder or set top box. Built in ethernet so it's on my home lan via a $60 dlink wireless access point. I can lift video files off my ReplayTV and play them back on my PC or burn them to VCD. Oh yeah, out of the box I can also program it from work using the web based Myreplaytv system and view slideshows of my vacation photos. Check out the new models at sonic blue before plunging into tivo world. I'm glad I did!

    1. Re:Thinking about Tivo? Look at ReplayTV by /dev/trash · · Score: 2

      Can you explain the IR blaster thing? Does it take input from the Replay remote and send the signal to the DISH reciever, without hooking anything up to the DISH reciever? if so, this is what I am looking for. The built in ethernet and VCD capability seals it for me.

  119. A TiVo is a luxury item, why bash it for the fee? by Jack_Frost · · Score: 2, Insightful

    TiVo is, in my humble opinion as a TiVo user, the best thing that's happened to TV. Posters who complain about the fee, saying that the same services can be had for free simply don't get it. It's a luxury item, my monthly fee pays for a service that I find highly valuable, and for $15 a month it's well worth it.

    If you're interested in assembling your own computer PVR that's great, go ahead. But for me, and tons of other TiVo users, the value of TiVo can't be beat. The time it would take to cobble together and support a home-rolled box is non-trivial and personally, my time is worth more than the paltry fee I pay each month.

    It's just like any other luxury item or service. I drive a sports-lux sedan because I value the extra pleasure I derive from driving it. If you don't want to drive a sports sedan that's fine, but your preference doesn't invalidate the choice for the rest of us that are willing to pay for it.

  120. Re:Again, back to the basics by fantastic · · Score: 1

    Some people work on their own cars too but the large
    population just take it to the shop

    tivo is the best solution for them, tv on the pc is only for single person households with a *spare* machine that doesn't get virii, random slow downs, etc

  121. Upgrade just to pay more? by Indomitus · · Score: 2

    So I have to upgrade to a new, more expensive, Tivo2 just to have the ability to pay an extra fee to get the new functionality? Nevermind if you think this new ability to do MP3s and pictures is valuable, you have to pay extra for it, on top of paying for the new Tivo? I think I'll just spend a hundred on a new giant harddrive and upgrade my current Tivo.

    1. Re:Upgrade just to pay more? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So do it already. Sheesh.

  122. Why Tivo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because Tivo tells me what it will record and I can trust it to record what it says it will. I could never figure out Replay's rules, or why it would sometimes not record something there was no reason for it not to record. Now when Replay screws up you can get the show it missed from the the internet, if you don't mind waiting days for it to download during which you have to constantly tell everyone not to discuss Survivor around you because you won't be able to watch it until Sunday. No thanks. I don't care how many widgets they jam into it, if I can't rely on it to record TV shows, what good is it?
    Check out the differences on this page.

    1. Re:Why Tivo? by coloth · · Score: 1

      Thanks for pointing me to that site. I've read a bit of it, and it didn't mention much about unexpected non-records on the ReplayTV, except if a program changes its time schedule significantly (which Survivor never has done).

      Anyway, I am a ReplayTV partisan. Why? Because since November of 1999, I have never been disappointed in any way by my machine!

      Now, I have never tried a Tivo, so maybe there is something I'm missing. But my ReplayTV has never skipped a show, I can search for shows easily, timeshifting and zipping back and forth is a no-brainer, the picture is great, it has a large enough hacking community that there are solutions for expansion and tweaking, and on and on.

      Even some of the limitations mentioned in the comparison site I know to be false, even for my machine which is over three years old.

      So, again, thank you for the resource, but I'm a demanding user, and I'm impressed that an early-model machine has satisfied me for over three years.

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    2. Re:Why Tivo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even some of the limitations mentioned in the comparison site I know to be false, even for my machine which is over three years old.

      Such as? I'm not flaming, I'm asking seriously.

    3. Re:Why Tivo? by coloth · · Score: 1

      The one that I remember most clearly is this:

      If you have set a show to record repeatedly, and have some number of episodes stored (1-99), the comparison doc says there is no way to stop recording the show while also preserving the episodes already recorded.

      It says the only way to do this is to use the "Preserve" function on each episode (which makes a copy of that episode), then delete the original show (which will delete the original set of episodes). It further says that this will not work if your drive is close to full, which is true.

      Now, I will admit that the best solution to this problem does require a small insight which, from a usability point of view should be considered unacceptable. (i.e. the first time I was faced with this dilemma, it took me a few minutes to hit upon the solution) However, it isn't that bad once you figure it out:

      For every repeating record, the machine will automatically record that show on any day of the week where it shows up in that time slot. However, you can uncheck any day, and that day will be skipped. If you uncheck all the days, it won't record at all. So, that show will basically be frozen with all the episodes that it already contains.

      So, the solution is to uncheck seven checkboxes. That is not particularly discoverable, but once discovered, it is quick and effective.

      That's my musty tome on the grave injustice done by that comparison doc. Honestly, having not used a Tivo, I feel awkward even comparing to it, but my experience has been so good, I can't imagine how it could be much better!

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    4. Re:Why Tivo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So, the solution is to uncheck seven checkboxes. That is not particularly discoverable, but once discovered, it is quick and effective.

      Ick. You've got to be kidding. I can tell you that the Tivo UI is much more polished.

      I've been thinking about getting a ReplayTV (we already have two Tivos), but I've been a bit worried by some of the comments that I've seen in the ReplayTV section of avsforum, such as:

      • The ReplayTV seems to occasionally lock up or require periodic reboots.
      • Occasionally, the ReplayTV seems to not record shows at night (~3AM???) because of something it's doing.

      Now, I'm guessing that these don't happen all that often, but it bothers me that they don't seem to be uncommon. Tivos seem to be infinitely more polished and user-friendly.

      However, being able to transfer shows (in an officially-supported manner) is very attractive ....

    5. Re:Why Tivo? by coloth · · Score: 1

      Ick. You've got to be kidding.

      No, I'm not kidding. I feel a little like I did in the early 80's, when I loved my Apple ][, but all these Commodore 64 fans would squinch up their noses at the Apple's graphics and sound. I couldn't really defend it, but I knew I was so much better off with that machine than I'd been without it that I felt a great loyalty to it.

      Polish and user-friendliness, I think, matter much more to some people than others. To some, it is pure functionality that matters most. Usually, people settle for a compromise.

      About the lock-ups, that is true. I would say maybe once every three to four months, for some reason, the thing stops responding to the remote and you have to pull out the power cord to reboot it. People are going to respond in different ways to this. As a developer, I can understand a flaw like that, and it's never been anything but a minor inconvenience. However, I also keep in mind that I'm using one of their first models, and they stopped doing firmware upgrades to it over a year ago. Maybe I'd be more upset if it were a newer model.

      About recording at ~3AM, I don't know. That's about when it would call to update its guide. I've never tried to record something then, and I'd be pretty upset if it weren't smart enough to postpone the call (which can be done manually if you happen to be watching at that time).

      All in all, I don't know if I'd say the Tivo is "infinitely" more polished, but it has always struck me as more polished and somewhat experimental in its UI, which I think is good. However, you might say that the 2003 Corvette is more polished than the 1953 Corvette, but as far as utility and style, both are way beyond a Model T (which might represent a VCR).

      Anyway, what I'm getting down to is that I can't see much of a reason for you to switch camps now, just as I don't feel there's much reason to switch camps either. Cnet's reviews of the two lines are almost neck and neck.

      I think Tivo has benefitted from better marketing, and a much better name. It has also benefitted from its quirky recommendation system which has been featured in sitcoms. In everything I've read, the ReplayTV has better image quality and has innovated in some important areas such as networking and commercial skipping.

      What I still don't understand is why, among the most technically savvy, there is such a huge imbalance in support, when a site like Cnet rates them almost equal.

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    6. Re:Why Tivo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I still don't understand is why, among the most technically savvy, there is such a huge imbalance in support, when a site like Cnet rates them almost equal.

      Two reasons. One, just because someone is technically savvy doesn't mean they want to have to use that savvy just to watch TV. ReplayTV may have "innovated" in areas like show sharing and commercial skip but in areas like making it easy to record what you want recorded, ReplayTV started out poorly and in two years has changed almost none at all.

      Two, CNet (and reviewers from most other publications for that matter) use the things they review for like a week, which is hardly enough time to learn all their ins and outs. When they make statements like "ReplayTV offers two tuners" (from this recent CNet review) that someone with five minutes experience with a ReplayTV could tell you is false, it makes it hard to believe the reviewer ever laid a hand on a ReplayTV remote.

      If the opinions of a handful of reviewers who can't get basic facts right are at odds with those of the PVR owning public I would say that it's the reviewers that should be treated as suspect and out of touch, not the hundreds of thousands of people who actually use and rely on their PVRs every day.

    7. Re:Why Tivo? by coloth · · Score: 2

      Maybe, but I've used a ReplayTV 2020 for over 3 years, consider myself "technically savvy", and am happy.

      Maybe I'm too tolerant of minor flaws. Maybe I have an irrational commitment to an underdog platform. Maybe I'm beset by cognitive dissonance because to abandon ReplayTV is to admit I was wrong. Maybe I'm just happy enough with them for my own purposes and choose to support them because I value competition. Maybe I've made an emotional investment and feel certain the ReplayTV engineers will be able to justify my support. Maybe I feel ReplayTV is being condemned by the technical community for early problems which have long since been corrected.

      From my point of view, Tivo dominates the discourse of the techical community at a rate of near 95%--maybe more. I simply don't believe it is that much better, and that everybody is way too starstruck and unadventurous, and the result is going to be another monopoly!

      Don't blame me when it happens!

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  123. Mandingo! by nightsweat · · Score: 2

    Ogg, that is. I mean, come on, is this slashdot? I want ogg support in the new TiVO, not just mp3.

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  124. DirecTV Tivo: $5/month by lophophore · · Score: 1

    DirecTV only charges $5 a month for the TiVo fee. And it's billed on their bill. Makes it really simple.

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  125. Re:MOD DOWN! He is incorrect!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a usb GPS. Does this mean that TiVo comes with GPS support? No.

  126. The horror, the horror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    This is why there's just no way I can ever consent to marriage. The very idea that I would have to check with someone else before spending money that I earned... good God, how does this happen to a free person? I understand why women want to marry, but why would a man ever do it?

    I can understand why a slave will choose to remain a slave, but the idea that a free person would willingly make that transition, is just boggling and sickening. I acknowledge that pussy wields great power, but it's still finite, and you would think that man's desire to stay integral would be stronger. Yet the sirens' song still calls so many ships to the rocks. The very thought of this soul destruction is so horrible and dehumanizing!

    What is even more terrifying is that it isn't just a lunatic fringe thing. We can all laugh at Scientologists and other cultists because they're such a minority. You look into their eyes and nobody is home, but whatever was lost, was only a small portion of society to begin with. But marriage is something that happens to a lot of people. (Probably more than half?) Whatever defect that man contains which lets him destroy himself this way, isn't just a glitch or mistake. It's built into the system, and it must even be within..

    Oh God, that's what is so horrifying: it must even be within me. I am a conscious being with an instinct for self-preservation. I am aware of the danger and feel confident that I can resist being deceived by a the charms of a beautiful girl. I have tasted the pleasure but have always successfully maintained by freedom and life, because I know how to Just Say No when they try to escalate. And yet, even I am not safe. Some day, I might give in. Holy fuck, it could happen to me!! I could join the zombie hordes of the married, and no longer be a free man. My former friends, who I wold no longer be able to associate with, would look into my eyes and see that I have become an unconcious automaton like the creatures in "Dawn of the Dead". Wandering aimlessles, no longer with any ambitions. I would just say "Yes Dear" on command, and check with her before buying a Tivo.

    Hell exists right here on earth, and destruction awaits us all. Not the glorious destruction one meets in battle against a hated enemy. Personality destruction that rips a man's integrity and will to pieces, yet leaves the body whole. This is true horror.

    1. Re:The horror, the horror by uradu · · Score: 2

      > but why would a man ever do it?

      It's a compromise thing. There are joys in the here and now, but it's also a long-term investment into not dying a lone bastard. I've seen too many wretched souls awaiting the end of their days in some retirement home/death asylum without anyone ever coming to see them, and the thought of that terrifies me personally.

  127. The PVR I wish Apple would build by JimRay · · Score: 2

    This is starting to sound like a really nice entertainment box, one that I would finally consider buying. Still not enough, though. Here's what I want, and I want Apple to build it.

    A box with a removable (40/60/80) gig firewire hard drive. Do the normal PVR stuff. Plays some mp3's, pictures, etc. Whatever. Make the Hard drive removable, though, so that when I record a show I like, I can plug it into my mac and burn to DVD, using a plugin to iMovie.

    Maybe add some kinda 802.11 networking thingie so that I can transfer small files (mp3's, jpegs) wirelessly and I'm happy. Make it Rendezvous/zeroconf aware so that I don't have to fiddle with network settings on my teevee. Rather than have to plug the thing into a phone line, have it talk to my mac and get updates via my mac's internet connection. If I'm a dialup user, have it update the info whenever I'm connected.

    Why Apple? Duh. iTunes. iMovie. iDVD. iPhoto. This device is screaming to be integrated with Apple's digital hub. Wanna show your family vacation pictures? Build a slideshow in iPhoto, upload the quicktime mov to the iBox and watch it on your teevee. Wanna listen that great mix of your favorite 50 mp3's or build a killer party sound track to play on your stereo? No problem, just upload the setlist. It could even stream the mp3's using iTunes powered Rendezvous.

    Build in some intelligent DRM that doesn't restrict fair use but also doesn't turn Joe Sixpack into his own Sopranos pirating station. Disable internet file sharing of recorded shows (ugh) or delete the file once it's been burned to DVD.

    This is a device I would buy. I would watch teevee with this thing. I would buy more CD's. I want it--now.

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    1. Re:The PVR I wish Apple would build by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same Apple who won't let you get your tunes back off your iPod unless you loaded them in a way that won't let you play them?

  128. TiVo DOES have USB2 ports by Controlio · · Score: 2

    Yes indeed, TiVo comes with USB2 ports. It's true, the original Series2 units (AT&T TiVo, real early Series2 units) only came with USB1.1. However, TiVo released a new hardware stepping that fixed a few complaints people had (bad reception on a few channels on the internal tuner, etc) - and one of the new features added in this minor hardware revision: USB2.

    The new hardware revision has been on the market for months. It was a silent revision, there is some minor change in the S/N to distinguish the units, but I don't have that information in front of me. Regardless, the fact still remains, that yes, TiVo has USB2.

  129. WebVCR+ by PyromanFO · · Score: 1

    And you can remotely program your computer with WebVCR+ Yes this is a blatant self-plug, and I should be ashamed.

  130. UltimateTV never had remote record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UltimateTV's remote record feature never made it to production. They demoed it at CES or some similar show and it was in the beta they were running at the time, but it was pulled from the beta right after the demo, and right before the software update was released and Microsoft announced the dissolution/cutbacks/whatever of the UltimateTV development team.

    I have an UltimateTV, and I've never seen the feature. ReplayTV is the only one that has it, and theirs isn't impressive.

  131. Re:YES YOU CAN! But only with a TiVo 1... by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
    yeah but you cant talk about it at the tivo community forum, you arent even allowed to talk about the policy of not talking about it.

    There are plenty of mailing lists (and a newsgroup, too) that cover those topics. They're more usable than most web fora anyway.

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  132. Re:Tivo 2 vs the spirit of CopyLeft & HDTV by Sloppy · · Score: 1
    I'm a little confused, maybe you can help clear this up.

    He says that a custom kernel won't run on that hardware.

    You imply that a custom kernel does run on that hardware, and the machine will work fine, but that the Tivo service refuses to talk to a box running an unsigned kernel. Is that correct?

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  133. "Lifetime" membership is NOT by sacrilicious · · Score: 2
    if you had bought the lifetime service, you would have already saved over $100 in monthly fees, and pay nothing else going forward.

    This is the perfect opportunity to note that Tivo's "lifetime membership" is NOT the payer's lifetime but the tivo unit's lifetime... which means that when your tivo unit stops working and you have to buy a new one, you have to pay the "lifetime" membership fee AGAIN.

    In my opinion, this amounts to one of the sleaziest, most misleading abuses of market-speak that I have ever encountered.

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  134. Tivo "lifetime" memberships end with the unit by sacrilicious · · Score: 4, Informative
    1) The monthly fee is a financed $250 payment. Anyone with basic math knowledge will pay the lifetime fee and be done with it. (a used replay or tivo with lifetime subscription sells for about $250 more than one without). A tivo or replay costs $500 new, give or take 50.

    Keep in mind that Tivo's so-called lifetime fee only covers the lifetime of the unit; when the unit needs replacing, so does your lifetime membership. How long will your tivo last?

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    1. Re:Tivo "lifetime" memberships end with the unit by JofCoRe · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that Tivo's so-called lifetime fee only covers the lifetime of the unit; when the unit needs replacing, so does your lifetime membership. How long will your tivo last?

      Exactly. So far my Hughes DirecTivo units seem to last about 2-3 months before crapping out. I'm on my third unit so far... no telling how long this one will last :) With hardware quality like that, I'll happily pay the monthly fee... especially since it's been reduced to 4.99/mo for directivo users.

      (moral of the story: don't buy Hughes equipment, it blows. And when it does fail, you'll wait up to 6+ months for a replacment... that's right, I've had my DirecTiVo for almost a year now, and I've had it up and working for maybe 4 months of that time. But when it does work.... oh, it's so nice. So, tivo = good, hughes = bad :)

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    2. Re:Tivo "lifetime" memberships end with the unit by seaan · · Score: 2

      Tivo's so-called lifetime fee only covers the lifetime of the unit

      They will transfer the service, if your unit is broken and fixed by Tivo (at least for Tivo brand units, I don't know how other mfg. handle this). Pretty good, although that does not help with obsolescence.

      Actually the biggest problem is that Tivo might change that agreement sometime in the future. There are a number of other changes that Tivo "might" do -- like removing "features" or adding new unwanted ones. Welcome to the modern world where slip-stream updates and constantly changing policies are the norm.

      The biggest problem with a "lifetime" fee, is that you can't cost Tivo by canceling your service in protest of some policy or feature change.

    3. Re:Tivo "lifetime" memberships end with the unit by galaxy300 · · Score: 1

      Just to add another anectode to this thread:

      My landlord and I both bought DirecTivo at the same time, from Hughes. Theirs worked for a week, then crapped out. They had to wait for a month to get a new one. So far, so good with that one.

      Mine, on the other hand, has been hacked to death. Extra 80GB hard drive (an IBM Deskstar, no less -- how's that for tempting fate?), lots of other warranty voiding type activity, and no problems yet, for over a year.

      Knock on wood...

  135. Why are you getting ripped off? by ryeh · · Score: 1

    I got my Tivo for free and only pay $5/month for service. Deals are easy to find on the web, there are desperate equipment sellers out there that want to unload their stuff in the worst way all the time.

  136. Replay has the best technology, what's going on? by baja · · Score: 1, Troll

    OK, Tivo leaked some new features, but hasn't SonicBlue had most of those for over a year. I have had a DVR for almost 2 years, but it lacks some of the cool features Replay has had for a long time. I should have purchased a Replay last year. I want a Replay now, because it really can skip commercials (a friend has one), I won't have to fast forward through them like I do now. Replay came out with an Ethernet compatible network unit in 2001. They are the technology leader, Tivo is playing catch up. What is wrong with this picture? Replay is clearly a better product, costs less, has been around as long as Tivo (has the main patents), but they don't have a cult. This is nothing like the Mac cult, the Mac has always been the technology leaded and they are still more expensive. Tivo is well behind the technology leader and more expensive. Is it the early branding that they established using TV commercials all that's carrying them? What's up here?

  137. Re:YES YOU CAN! But only with a TiVo 1... by ebh · · Score: 2

    IMO, this is a Good Thing. The TiVo Community Forum asks that things that will a) cost TiVo significant revenue or b) Open TiVo up to legal exposure not be discussed there. In return, they provide de facto support for all other kinds of hacking. Good luck finding that for any other piece of consumer electronics.

    OTOH, as the above links show, information about the Other Stuff (like saving shows to CD) is easily available.

    Sounds like the best of both worlds to me.

  138. Oops! by RatBastard · · Score: 2

    Um, that should be "40 hour Replay". Sorry about that. A 4-hour PVR would be useless!

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  139. Re:Replay has the best technology, what's going on by Ransom342 · · Score: 1

    I just bought a replaytv 5040 for $199 after rebate and a $10 monthly.

    Its great. It updates via my network connection. It has a picture viewer. I guarantee that if Tivo adds MP3 playback then sonic blue will follow suit (most likely with a free software upgrade).

  140. or Qcast for PS2 by Jasn · · Score: 2

    Or get a PlayStation 2 and Qcast Tuner software for $50 (one-time) from BroadQ. Total cost $250, if you don't already have a PS2. I suppose that TiVo might have an interface advantage depending on how they implement it, compared to loading a disc in the PS2. But then the TiVo won't do digital video as well as photos and .mp3 -- the Qcast Tuner will.

  141. Re:Replay has the best technology, what's going on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jane, you ignorant slut.

    TiVo's web updates will be live; Replay's web udates don't take place until your Replay unit "phones home" once a day. And, hacked series 1 TiVo's have had this ability to remotely control the TiVo over the Internet for years, now; and Replay still can't do it.

    Also, Replay doesn't have the features that TiVo has, features that really are the important things to have: to reliably know that your shows will be recorded, without having to worry about it. Replay can't do that. It has nothing comparable to TiVo's To Do List or Season Pass Manager.

  142. Re:Replay has the best technology, what's going on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >>I guarantee that if Tivo adds MP3 playback then sonic blue will follow suit (most likely with a free software upgrade).

    Why would they do this for free and gut demand for their $1200+ Rio Component? They would have to charge for it or it would destroy a chunk of their existing business

  143. Re:Replay has the best technology, what's going on by baja · · Score: 1

    Replays updates are live now, with a broadband connection. I think Replay can do remote set up as well. Replay does have the the same feature as season pass. Is everyone brainwashed or what? What exactly does Tivo have that Raplay doesn't. IMHO Replay is the best box available today and appears to be better than the next generation of Tivo too.

  144. Thanks a bunch, JERK!!! by 4mn0t1337 · · Score: 2
    Now I know why my damn cable company keeps adding all of those freakin' shopping channels to its line-up all the time, wasting my time removing and moving channels around!

    Why can't you leave it tuned to something interesting -- like porn.


    :P

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  145. ReplayTV already has these features... by rtechie · · Score: 1

    You mean that the Tivo 2 will possibly have the same features sometime in the future that the ReplayTV 5000 and 4000 series ALREADY has?

    I'm underwhelmed. No broadband. No sharing. No commercial skip.

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