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Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines
An anonymous reader writes "There is a new Quicktime Trailer avalible for Terminator 3 up and avalible to download. Features include shiny chrome, blue LED's a-plenty and a few seconds of a CGI'ed army of Terminators." Looks like a pretty fun movie.
There are *some* disadvantages to having a girlfriend.
Oh well, I'm sure You've Got Mail II will be pretty cool.
Sigh.
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I know it's unavoidable, but Arnold is getting old and just looks strange as the Terminator. And the fact that the new "girl" bot looks a regression of design versus the t1000 :|
Damn I feel bad for saying this.
If it's any consolation, I -hope- that this movie is good.
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I was under the impression that T3 was going to tell the story of Skynet coming on-line and the war - taking place entirely in the future.
Instead we get the same concept as T2: an new, advanced Terminator is sent back in time to kill people (presumably Connor once again), and it appears a new Terminator is sent back to protect them, again (Arnold).
The only difference is newer special effects and the evil terminator is a buxom blonde, with big breasts, and wearing a tight red leather outfit.
All these years and all they could come up with is the Baywatch Effect?
Mr. Cameron, I thought you could do better then that.
"They do not preach that their god will rouse them, a little before the Nuts work loose." Kipling, 'The Sons of Martha'
In this one Arnold passes a kidney stone made of pure medal.
Gosh I really wish they can just let these things die.
Really...
Why does the movie industry have to pimp a franchise until it runs out of money, but at the cost of running out of charm too?
Take MIB - it was nice, well, self contained. MIB2 was not NEARLY as good, but they just HAD to drag everyone back to make another sequel (and probably one after that too)
Arnold is like how old now?
And there is gonna be another Rocky? - so will I see dentures flying in the ring?
Creativity just seem really lacking these days. Can't we go and start some new pop legend, instead of feeding on old ones till our brains shrivel?
*matrix is the only "new" one i can think of it off the top of my head. Fight Club maybe too - and I really hope there is no sequel to that*
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"Has Slashdot become an outlet for Hollywood? I thought we were against these people..."
I'm not sure if you noticed this or not, but the movies that Slashdot covers are, coincidentally, scifi/fantasy and are of interest to the vast majority of the people who visit this site.
Given the stratospheric budget on this one ($150 MM at last check), it is really amazing that they aren't even attempting a twist... I mean come on, how hard is it to push everything forward 50 years and show the skynet war details, or do a prequel, or something besides Terminator 2 redone with better effects... it's such a predictable shame when production companies are given such incredible budgets and they destroy such seemingly indestructible plot concepts
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Amen.
I bet she likes it rough... :-)
All editorial writers ever do is come down from the hill after the battle is over and shoot the wounded.
So's Mad Max in case you hadn't heard.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Can no one else see that this 'film' looks like complete shit. From the first line in the trailer .. "John Coonnoorrr... It's ttiimmeee.." it goes straight down-hill. What is this? Arny can't even play the TERMINATOR. The lines sound .. BAD .. not writing-wise.. but delivery-wise. Yes, there are only two of them (The second being the completely worthless "She'll be back.") but Arny reads them BADLY. Did no one else notice?
.. but can we at least have a little backbone NOW and say that this trailer is shit?
And a female terminator? Does no one else see something wrong with that. I sincerely hope they didn't just do that for lame PC reasons. Why would the machines opt to make a smaller-framed, less physically imposing killing machine? The only way to justify it would be to have some sort of seduction bullshit and that would be stupid in its own right. Christ. So disappointing.
I'm not even going to go into the fact that Arny is the ONLY member of the cast/crew who's come back for this. Cameron is gone and for good reason. He knew there was nothing to be done with the Terminator franchise after T2. T2 was as good as a film about futuristic cyborgs can get and it was the best action film of its (if not any) era. That's why Cameron's turned his attention to making True Lies II a good movie.
God. I can't even count everything that's outlandish and ridiculous about T3. Yeah, we're all gonna see it
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Well its news for nerds, and nerds love famous fictitious characters. No, its true. I just got back from LOTR, and there were people dressed up in star trek outfits and someone else had a lightsaber! I'm like what fucking movie did you guys think you were seeing? Its like they just want to congregate and dress up to show how nerdy they are. But I shouldn't complain, cause I like to laugh.
According to the trailer, the new Terminator is called the "T-X." Maybe she's running OS X?
You mean, it takes T-1000's and sends them off to be on the X-Files?
I'd hardly call that "destroying".
But then, I'd call anyone who could banish a T-800 to the world of Last Action Hero to be one mean bitch.
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Oh, nevermind.. the system just sent me an "Undo Moderation" message. I'd never heard of that one before... sorry!
"They do not preach that their god will rouse them, a little before the Nuts work loose." Kipling, 'The Sons of Martha'
Speaking about bots from this movie. The conceptual art of one of the robots looks remarkedly similar to a character from an older movie...
All editorial writers ever do is come down from the hill after the battle is over and shoot the wounded.
James Cameron is not in this one. Maybe that's why it doesn't look so good?
Mr. Cameron, I thought you could do better than that.
James Cameron is sitting this one out, AFAIK. He didn't direct this one, and I think he only got writing credit on the IMDB listing because he has to, since he created the characters.
I think he felt there was no need for another sequel. To a degree, I agree with him. But on the other hand, I'm looking forward to checking out the continuation of the story on the big screen.
I'm so dying for a continuation of the story, in fact, that I've devoured the books that have been written to do so. There are two so far by S.M. Stirling, and one so far by Russell Blackford. They are not related to what's going to happen in Terminator 3, they take different paths. Having read all of them, it takes a little effort to keep the storylines straight. But it's definitely worth it-- the books make reference to the most minute details mentioned or seen in the movies, which (obsessive Terminator fan that I am) I find very satisfying.
~Philly
Okay, for the benefit of the people who havent really looked into this movie I'll provide the following information.
First off, I was quite interested in this movie so I found out if James Cameron was directing it, he is not... my interest dropped a fair bit.
Secondly, they tried to get Linda Hamilton to reprise her role as Sarah, she refused to do it after looking at the script. Not a good sign.
I've looked at the storyline, and this sounds shockingly familiar to a fanscript I read back in '98. Although there are a couple of differences, the overall plot is exactly the same.
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I seem to recall that, in the 2nd movie, they stopped the whole time loop (which would take an act of divinity or Hollywood to create) that brought SkyNet into being in the first place. I guess they'll have some explanation in the movie where it wasn't REALLY ended, or something...
In a way, I guess it's kind of like all of the Highlander sequels (with the obvious exception of #2)... Connor has the prize, then he doesn't, then he does, then he doesn't, then Duncan eventually kills him and they both get nothing.
Every law of time and space shattered into itty bitty pieces, all for The Almighty Buck.
All I want is a kind word, a warm bed and unlimited power.
Who's been waiting for T3??
:) )
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I know that T2 is *MY* cult movie.
- Superb effects at the time (one of the first heavy-3d film actually and one of the few with a good storyline, especially with the crap coming out since a few years
- Superb storyline (for an action movie)
- Superb ending (something that Hollywood is usually good at screwing up (dragonheart comes to mind) on of the main hero "DIES", something you won't see often, because good guys always live and win with hollywood.
- Overall, one of the best rounded movies in the 90s, I have yet to see a movie that will sustain me that much all long and heck even make me cry at the end (another rare thing with action movies, or totally screwed up that makes you want to laugh (or cry because you lost 10$
Heck if T3 would be just 1/2 as good as T2 was, I'd pay 50$ to see it!
Producers relying on 3D renderings should always look at T2 to learn how to balance that technology, I never seen anything that was as balanced as T2 in the 90s; the CGI effects were coexisting with the storyline (and not only being a CGI festival covering the rest that would be crap, like Hollywood is selling nowadays).
Can't wait.
Heck while at it, why not announce Neuromancer the movie, that would make my day!
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They have addressed this issue in the FAQ. Anyway it seems like it will be a pretty cool movie -- too bad I have to wait until July to see it :(
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What, you think all the Terminators look alike? They were created by Skynet, remember, to infiltrate human enclaves. If every single Terminator is a tall white scary guy who looks like Ahnold, then they're no good for covert infiltration. The "hot female" chassis is probably just one of many designs for the pre-T1000 series, with, yes, the added advantage that a female Terminator could have certain psychological advantages in manipulating humans over a male terminator.
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Terminator: Human protects Sarah from Terminator
Terminator2: Terminator protects Sarah+John from advanced Terminator
Terminator3: Terminator protects John from Barbie.
I agree.
Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
As an aside, did anyone else just realize what an appropriation of the Terminator universe the Matrix was?
--sdem
I think you are referring to a cartoon called Tranzor-Z....the female looking mechs were always launching said rockets.
For those of you like me that are on linux and want to see this, here are some tips:
1) The latest version of mplayer does play all QT, including this one. The needed codecs are here along with a short how to.
2) The standard view-source and play whatever it lists doesn't work. All trailer's on apples website are now redirects. Add an "m" before the size for the real movie (t3_tlr_480.mov becomes t3_tlr_m480.mov).
3) mplayer http://... usually doesn't work (sits there at 0% cache). Just wget it.
4) Here's a direct link to the large trailer.
5) While I'm at it, here's a link to the large X2 (X-Men 2) trailer.
Im sure we could scrape up enough donations for the linda hamilton webcam.
Im only mostly kidding.
Ive got paypal...
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Ironic how just yesterday there was discussion of boycotting the MPAA, and here - just about 100 pixels below the trailer is a link to mpaa.org...
Are we going to do this, or is a boycott just vaporware? Oh, I see - I'll watch the TT tomorrow, and after that I'll quit. I can quit anytime! They have a link to a really lame writeup on how piracy affects movie sales - they use the example of Star Wars: Phantom Mencace, that once it got to Asia, it was so pirated that nobody wanted to see it anymore. Bah! I say that everyone knew how badly Jar-Jar fucked it up that they didn't want to see it anymore.
Let's pick a weekend for a big movie opening - at least a few months from now, so that we'll have time to organize and boycott it for a weekend. Then, we'll intentionally all go and see it on, maybe a tuesday afternoon - just to show them how many we are that protest their anti-piracy policies.
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and Indiana Jones too
Jeremy
"The only difference is newer special effects and the evil terminator is a buxom blonde, with big breasts, and wearing a tight red leather outfit."
I wonder, do we get to see her travel back in time naked and kill someone who just happens to be wearing a skin-tight red leather body suit?
> I'm laughing at these people talking about how old Arnold is. Lift up your shirt and take a look at yourself. Think you look better than Arnold, who is probably old enough to be your Granddad? You don't. I'd like to see a poll here regarding fitness, or the lack of exercise. An honest poll.
A poll would be nice except....
This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane.
I wasn't too thrilled about this film knowing that James Cameron wouldn't be involved in any way.
Kind of ironic that in the trailer, they play the classic Terminator riffs composed by Brad Fiedel, considering that they replaced him with an entirely different composer who's not even using Fiedel's cues from the first two films!
This reminds me a bit of the transition from Alien and Aliens to Alien3. It looks like in both cases, the producers have thrown out the charm, technical crew and composers from the first two and just put anybody in there.
As I recall, Alien3 had a spectacular opening weekend, then poor word of mouth killed it in subsequent weeks, because people expected something worthy of the two predecessors, and didn't get it.
T3 could very well end up in the same situation.
A quick look at the cast & crew will tell you that T3 is going to be a big budget train wreck. The most glarring omission? James Cameron. He directed and wrote T1, directed, wrote and produced T2. He's nowhere to be found on T3. Very Bad. Nor do we get William Wishner Jr., co-writer of both T1 and T2. Very, very bad.
So who do we have instead?
Director: Jonathan Mostow
Of "U-571" infamy.
Writers: John D. Brancato and Michael Ferris
The people who brought us "The Net", "The Game" and the terminally medicore "Interceptor".
Writer: Tedi Sarafian
He wrote the script for "Tank Girl".
Actors...
The only returning actor is Arnold, because you can't have the movie without him. Neither Linda Hamilton nor Edward Furlong are coming back.
Given the exodus of the original cast and crew and the lame second string players they've brought in for replacements, I can predict it won't be worth $10.
Rent the T2 Special Edition instead.
I wonder if the reason why they're not showing the actual "Rise of the Machines," the early days of Skynet's sentience, and the beginning of the actual human/machine war is that the Matrix plumbed that particular notion fairly heavily. After all, both movies share said war as a basic premise and bit-o-history in the plot. Maybe they want to avoid the comparisons, or would prefer to stay more action movie and less speculative fiction?
I'm not sure this even merits being called my two cents.
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Stop terminating a dead horse.
Seriously, though, I don't understand why they are making this movie, or at least why they are making it the way they are now.
First off, Arnold is a bit too old now. 5-8 years ago, maybe it could have happened. Not now, though, despite the massive amounts of makeup.
Second off, looks like they are just turning this into a cheeseball cliche action movie. Very little originality, lots of mindless action, special effects, and the obligatory hot chick.
Now, the trailor gives away very little except that the machines have sent thier latest robot back in time to kill us. The original Terminator must also go back to stop that machine. Sounds a lot like the Plot of Terminator 2.
I might be wrong. It might end up being a good movie. I just doubt it.
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
Also, whenever there's talk of T3, the question comes up, well, didn't they stop it from happening? Obviously not, and here's how. Arnie tore off his own arm after the T1000 stuck it in that machine in the steel mill. So, they used his arm for the research instead of the original Terminator's arm and CPU. Also, I've heard the idea that Cyberdyne Systems had off-site backups. ;)
"To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking
In the future we will be hunted by teenage blondes that look like Buffy the vampire slayer.
This movie is going to be a joke. No James Cameron is bad enough, but making Buffy the vampire slayer into the terminator is just over the top.
Yes I know it's not the real Buffy chick, but honestly, does it matter? It's the same cliche.
We aren't the fucking borg man. I didn't agree to any boycott nor has anyone I know. Maybe you did, but don't dare include me in your "we".
Rocky V was my favorite in the series. I don't know about a 6th movie tho, it's a little hard to pull off after Rocky gets dain bramage.
I wonder if the girl Tx is anatomically correct. Because if I'm going to be terminated, that's the way I wanna go. Oh yeah.
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
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Fat and weak, what a disgrace.
Guess the champ got too lazy.
Ain't gonna fly now, he's just takin' up space.
Sold his gloves, threw his eggs down the drain.
But he's no bum, he works down the street.
He bought the neighborhood deli.
Back on his feet, now he's choppin' up meat.
Come inside, maybe you'll hear him say:
Try the rye or the kaiser,
They're on special tonight.
If you want, you can have an appetizer.
You might like our salami, and the liver's all right.
And they'd really go well with the rye,
Or the kaiser.
Never eats while on the job.
He heard it's good to stay hungry.
But he makes a pretty mean shish kabob.
Have a taste, they were made fresh today.
Try the rye or the kaiser or the wheat or the white.
Maybe I can suggest an appetizer.
Stay away from the tuna, it smells funny tonight.
But you just can't go wrong with the rye,
Or the kaiser.
So today, his deli comes first.
Still he dreams of his past days of glory.
Goes in the back and beats up on the liverwurst,
All the while you can still hear him say:
It's the rye or the kaiser, it's the thrill of one bite.
Let me please be your catering advisor.
If you want substitutions, I won't put up a fight.
You can have your roast beef on the rye,
Or the kaiser.
The rye or the kaiser,
The rye or the kaiser,
The rye or the kaiser...
I'd imagine that, even if she's not super-rich, she's in a position where she could live a very comfortable lifestyle for the rest of her life without working another day.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
Well thats one movie Im not going to go and see. Just watched the trailer and I had an amazing sense of deja vu all over again.
Basically it looks like Terminator 2 with tits.
For the longest time T2 was my favorite movie. I embraced it for what it was; a pure action movie.
But i seriously would be laughing at this trailer if it was on MadTV or SNL or somthing. It is such a parody of itself, it makes me sick. "She'll be back." Give me a fucking break.
What makes me sick to my stomache is that it will probably do a decent gross at the theathers.
Are they even trying anymore?
The real reason he shouldn't be in this one (and shouldn't have been in T2 either) is that it is stupid for terminators to look alike. Reese said the terminators were infiltration units, and their main feature over an earlier model was that they were so hard to spot. From a plot point of view, recycling Arnie in Terminator movies is even dumber than reusing Sigourney in Alien movies. Nothing personal against the actors -- it just doesn't make sense.
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Voiceover: The machines will RISE this July...
Screenwriters: But we're completely out of ideas!
Voiceover: Please watch it on July 2nd.
Ahnuld: I'm old.
Screenwriters: Bigger explosions, more tits... We were on a deadline!
Voiceover: Pretty please... There are more explosions...
Ahnuld: I'm old and cuddly. Hear me whimper!
Voiceover: At theatres everywhere.
Hey, what if there was a movie about aliens coming from the future to prevent Ahnuld from becoming the outspoken governor of California some years on? Oh, wait... this is that movie. Spoiler/Prediction: The aliens blunder by immediately ending Ahnuld's already-tepid acting career, thereby inadvertently hastening his political ascendance.
Ahnuld: I'm old. Vote for me.
"Features include shiny chrome, blue LED's a-plenty and a few seconds of a CGI'ed army of Terminators."
Attack of the Clones? Clone of Attack of the Clones? Attack of the Clone of the Attack of the Clones?
Fuck it
Just some quick background information...
;-)
/* Arnie hanging from a crane driving down the street? Or would this be a rehash of the "Saving ____ Connor from the evil terminator by jumping in front of, on, or shooting at the chase vehicle?" scene? */ followed by a big truck exploding ending with a fight in some factory type of place.
;-)
I remember back when I was a kid, I convinced my parents to sneak me into the Drive In to watch the original Terminator on the big screen. I remember being blown away by the action, the story, and well... okay, I had a school-boy crush on Linda Hamilton.
Of course when T2 came out I hadn't seen the original in years, so I went out and rented it from the local Video Store and checked it out again. Again I rather enjoyed it, and was able to have an even deeper understanding of the films story.
Then I went and saw T2, and I started to feel uneasy. For it was then that I started to realize that the entire film was basically just a rehash of the entire first film.
The structure, plotting, even the scenes are almost completely ripped off from the first movie. From the arrival scene, to the "Finding *insert* Connor.", to the ending sequence where both films ended with a car chase, tanker explosion, and a climactic battle scene in a manufacturing plant with lots of belts and gears and pullies and crap.
It was almost as if Cameron had didn't really bother to come up with anything new. So when I found out that he wasn't doing it I was quite happy. Not because I think his movies suck, but more because I didn't really want to see a rehash of T1 & T2 yet again.
But after watching that trailer, I'm pretty conviced that we're going to see the same film as the first two.
We're going to have a similar arrival experience, although with the Bimbornator it might be interesting. Then we're going to be subjected to a wasteful 20-30 minutes of "Is the Bimbornator bad or good, and just where in the heck is John Connor, and why doesn't he look like Eddie Furlong, anyway?" Despite the fact that all the advertising for the film is going to make it quite obvious that Bimbornator is bad, Arnie is good.
We're going to probably have a the flimsy filler that will attempt to make a story, but will probably follow quite closley to the original plot, "John you are destined to be this great leader, you better make sure you don't die! Oh and by the way, this evil Sky-Net thing you killed in the last movie, it didn't die."
It will most likley end with a cheesy car chase scene,
The sad part though is that the coolest part, the first 15-20 minutes of the movie that takes place in the future, would probably make a more interesting and exciting movie to watch.
But the even sadder part though, I'll probably go and see it. Even though I know it'll probably suck badly, deep down I have this faint hope that they might actually make this film interesting, exciting and worth seeing.
Oh, and one last thing... Did anyone else get the feeling that when the Bimbornator was running through the forest in the red leather outfit; that for just a split second you were watching a trailer for an upcoming episode of Buffy?
Don't you remember? In the future, humans use dogs to "sniff out" terminators infiltrated into their midst. (Terminator I). If even cyborg terminators with organic parts smell different, shapeshifters must smell even more different. No good for infiltration into future-earth human enclaves.
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I saw the new Lord of the Rings today, and an employee at Sony said there would the T3 trailer, but it wasn't there. Anyone else seen the new trailer on the big screen?
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The T3 of my imagination is better than this drek. In my T3, we see hubris of man as they give the keys to the kingdom to a machine. Skynet become-self aware and the war starts. John Connor rises up and fights in a dark painful world where the banality of mindless evil crushes everyone's soul and body. His soldiers, friends, and mother die around him.
Sure, he sends Ahnuld back to save his bacon but that is what is so interesting to me about this mind-flick -- what happens after? I'm sure it would have a Millenium type feel with timequakes or something or would the future just instantly change into something more pleasant, too easy, like Ender at the end of Ender's Game. Where do you go next?
Speak truth to power.
Actually, the chip was in the head. In the special edition director's cut of the movie, there is a scene where they remove the chip from the Terminator's head to switch it from read-only to read-write.
It's a great scene, and it was annoying that it never made the theatrical cut. But, alas...
"It's that robots don't age, and Arnie clearly has." Didn't Robin Williams (sorry-bear with me) in Bicentennial Man" age? Or whatshisname in AI (sorry, again). I say we create robots (and I'm still holding out for an interface for my computer like Andromeda or the Borg Queen), we can age them if we so desire. Look at Data (STNG).
Then: "You would never make the outer "skin" of two terminators look alike. It would defeat the whole purpose, unless you were sure that two human resistence "cells" weren't communicating ... but why bother? They would clearly just be all different."
Sadamm Hussein aside,(and all his surgical "clones") given the primitive technology of the present, I believe you could make 10,000 terminators, albiet with less distinctive features than Arnold and they'll all get away with whatever you task them to do. People have faulty memory, and people and technology, especially primitive technology, is easily compromised.
I don't intend to write a paper on this subject here, but suffice to say the info is available out there. I appreciate that we have the opportunity to have this stimulating exchange. Thank you.
Are we going to do this, or is a boycott just vaporware?
I think I speak for everyone on Slashdot when I say, "We?"
"And like that
Empire Strikes Back?
Back to the Future, PII?
The Two Towers?
Max Max: Road Warrior?
TODO: Something witty here...
So far Slashdot has been decent enough to link stories about movies that are actually worth seeing. Spirited Away, The Two Towers, maybe T3(I won't hold my breath on this one.) I don't think they've overdone it, and I do appreciate hearing everyone's comments/reviews about a particular movie that I might want to see.
But I do agree that there's legitimate concern. This is how it starts...the mafia offers you the big bucks once they realize they can get lots of exposure here. I don't think you're up to that, but try to be conscious of the danger(and I'm sure you are). If that kind of thing takes hold here....Slashdot will be just another thing people will forget about. You may be able to milk it for a few years....but you and your editors would be hitting the want-ads soon enough. I know times aren't easy right now, but please don't sell us out like that.
The primary commodity here at Slashdot is word of mouth. Product placement/endorsement endangers that.(Including modding Troll those who question the values of the endorser)
The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
Heh, is it like living tissue over a metal endoskeleton?
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Nah its ok, it really is a stab. Tell this "Jesus" fellow he can suck it.
:)
I have lots of karma, bring it on
Jeremy
And in the new Raiders of the Lost Ark movie Harrison Ford plays his own grandfather.
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Howzat!
You're using her as bait, Master!
I have already seen Terminator 2!
Oh this -is- a new episode? Terminator 3? I thought it should be somehow different from the previous two episodes. I thought these people are PAID to be original and creative.
Joking apart, I am not going to waste my time and money in watching a pathetic re-make of Terminator 2. I wish nobody did, because it's about time that the habit of sqeezing out the last cent from a franchise while adding NO NEW IDEAS, came to an end.
Sigged!
Rocky? Beverly Hills Cop? ST? SW? Delta Force? Police Academy? By #3, they were all awful.
Since the 2 movies have the same idea about robots taking over the future, a combination between Matrix and Terminator would be kick ass. They could easily retire Arnold that way.
Who said easy was the goal?
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I couldn't have been the only one hoping for the title "Terminator 3: Rise of the Triad", eh?
(for those unaware, see also this explanation of 3DRealms' Rise of The Triad)
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Back when T2 came out you posted:
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T1 = Robot tries to kill a human from the past, a human from the future tries to stop it.
T2 = Robot tries to kill a human from the past, a robot (ooooh! a robot this time!) from the future triest to stop it.
OK, what the hell is different about these two movies? The only thing they did is substitute Arnold as the Bad Guy for the Good Guy and make the other guy a robot as well. BOOOORING. Let's get some originality here, not just switch up plot devices.
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I was watching the trailer and about three quarters of the way through it crashed with the following:
Abnormal Termination Error
How apt.
No more 6502 code scrolling in front of his view again? They did better on the second. Wonder what they'll do for the third.
I'm just curious.
As you may or may not know, the actory playing the T-X is norwegian.
Do scandinavian women appear as exotic to Americans? For a native norwegian I get a disturbing notion that the T-X is just about to tell the weather forecast or work in the state financial committee. Personally I think this makes her even more scary.
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John Connor is rescued by Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future.
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I just watched the trailer and am quite disappointed! ...
I have to agree, the only problem is that if this bomb's for lack of originality, as seems likely, we are unlikely to ever see the *real* T3.
Mr. Cameron, I thought you could do better then that.
However, it must be considered that after the beginning that is really the middle; a middle that is really the end, writing the ending that is really the middle, keeping the suspense alive *and* avoiding major parodox problems must be *really* difficult.
Oh and by the way, this evil Sky-Net thing you killed in the last movie, it didn't die.
This gives a whole new spin on Disaster Recovery planning.
It always seemed to me to be not unreasonable that they make Terminators is small batches that look the same (this would seem an efficency in getting the most out of a design without having them all the same), and that the Future John has acquired just one batch.
No, what bothers me about the plot of all three is that no-one has had the entirely obvious idea of taking a phase plasma rifle in the 40 watt range, coating it with terminator skin, and sending that back with the terminator.
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.. and the movie would be more consistent .. (in it's limits ;)) The new John Connor is somewhat blonde .. and the hair is different .. Reminds me the Never Ending Story movies... In the first movie the kid had black hair, in the second he was blonde .. and in the third (yes there was a third) he was black again .. that kid had serious hair attitude :)..
Terminator : "I'm too "oald" for this shit"
common middle aged action character quote... (lethal weapon 3, latest Clint Easton movies.. etc etc...)
Why didn't they use Edward Furlong for this one?
with 12 years apart from each other (the movies), he would be fit for the role
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the lamest explanation they could use.
It likely the arm of a Terminator contains some distributed neural processing capability consider the Terminator equivalent of muscle memory particularly part of a 'learning machine/computer' with redundant systems and fail-over capability.
The idea of Cyberdyne using off-site disaster recover or fire safe backup vault are also very credible.
Building Terminators requires advances in metallurgy.
There is also the unsettled issue of a batch of steel containing some highly unusually elements, or a part of the liquid metal terminator surviving. There are several clues that detached liquid metal is somewhat autonomous but with reduced effectiveness, how can we be sure it is all accounted for ?
If a T-800 can self repair it is likely a T-1000 Liquid metal terminator can also, perhaps this is become SkyNet.
The final point is that we as outside observers know that despite their best efforts, the future is already set. It cannot be changed, otherwise a cause and effect paradox arises. The idea that the heroes can change anything is an error in their knowledge or percecption.
All that has happened IS history. The T1 & T2 stories, the future fall, the fight for survival, and ultimatly John's victory have already happened.
If they did simply do the "go back in time protecting guardian" thing, it really would be a waste of a good franchise. I mean, how hard would it be to set this entirely in the future, cast Charles Dutton (or some other huge black guy) or Linda Hamilton as the bad Terminator and Arny (I still think he'd do a great job) as the good Ternimator while they romp through a twisted post apocalyptic future dodging all sorts of HK variants??? Ah well.
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Yeah but being a puritannical American movie, they'll just have one side profile shot where all of the interesting bits are covered by arms and legs. After that, there'll be a bunch of neck up shots while she's walking around looking for somebody to mug to clothing and a vehicle. Finally, when she finds her victim we'll see some cheek...very briefly...if we're lucky. After that, the best we'll be able to hope for is a little cleavage and a tiny bit of skin when her clothes get ripped up by all the ordnance that gets poured at her.
The evil girl-Terminator can be seen in this photo where she is using her striking appearance to gather intelligence on the primative life forms.
Some how, I think from this image, I can tell there is a much deeper, more hate-filled conflict being developed here. Anything could happen before this war hits.
Why bother.
I know I have just seen a trailer, but it seems like a bandwagon flick. Nothing innovative from what I can see - sorry, making the terminator a chick is just a lame gimmick. This might be a "wait for the rental".
I gotta say though, hearing that booming theme "Duh Duh Dum Da Dum" still sends chills down my spine.
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It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
... athletically-built female begins taking notice of me, I now have a much more plausible explaination!
True, but that wouldn't alter what *already happened.*
Skynet, being an intelligent computer, sends four separate terminators into the past. One, to kill Sarah Conner before she gets pregnant. One, to kill John Conner when he's a kid. One, to kill John Conner as an adult. And one, to kill John Conner while he's trying to organize the resistance.
Remember, in T2, another of Arnie's arms gets left behind in some gears. Plus, Teradyne would likely have offsite backups. Or something.
But the point is, that if Skynet could send back one Terminator, it could send back thousands. Now, the logical flaws occur in the 'why would it send back a T-800, then a T-1000, then a T-X? Why not send back a whack of it's top of the line model?' and other such issues, but what can you do?
Remember, it didn't send one back, wait to see if it worked, send another back, and so on; it sent a whack back. Only one ever needed to work. And if you look at it from a time paradox point of view, if the first Terminator had succeeded in killing Sarah Conner, Teradyne wouldn't have had the chips and what not to reverse-engineer the T-800.
I think that one of the things we might just find out is that each of the Terminators sent back were also programmed to 'seed' their technology into the world, to *ensure* that Skynet came about.
This movie could do a fine job of wrapping up several loose ends, or it could simply be a cash grab. We'll see, I guess.
Oh, and remember, the ORIGINAL ending for T2 specifically showed that the future turned out bright and sunny. They rewrote that to the 'highway' ending to leave it open.
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Well, while I agree with the gist of your arguement, I wish it was that easy on Windows...
At home, with XP Pro, I installed QT first since I knew it wasn't on my box. Needed it to watch video clips from my digital camera anyway. So I download it, let it install itself, and try to watch the movie. No go. The webpage in the main story does nothing - at one point it said that it needed an additional component for QT, but the software wasn't available. Whatever. Never got it working.
At work (Win2k) I clicked on the link first, it asked me about a QT ActiveX plugin, then to install QT. Fine. Let it do its thing. Reload the page -- warning that it may not display correctly due to the page asking for some insecure information and my ActiveX security permissions preventing this. Joy.
I eventually got it working at work - open QT, paste the URL provided by the parent post.
And yes, I'm sure I could beat things into submission if I wished. But I long ago learned that tweaking shit just isn't worth the time and I prefer for my computer to just work like the appliance it's supposed to be. Which is one major reason I run Windows instead of Linux on my main PC. Needless to say this kind of thing annoys me.
...here is the transcript of the trailer:
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In A.D. 2101
War was beginning.
Sarah Connor: What happen ?
Kyle Reese: Somebody set up us the nuclear bomb.
John Connor: We get signal.
Sarah Connor: What !
John Connor: Main screen turn on.
Sarah Connor: It's You !!
Terminator: How are you gentlemen !!
Terminator: All your base are belong to us.
Terminator: You are on the way to destruction.
Sarah Connor: What you say !!
Terminator: You have no chance to survive make your time.
Terminator: HA HA HA HA
Sarah Connor: Take off every 'zig' !!
Sarah Connor: You know what you doing.
Sarah Connor: Move 'zig'.
Sarah Connor: For great justice.
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"And if you look at it from a time paradox point of view, if the first Terminator had succeeded in killing Sarah Conner, Teradyne wouldn't have had the chips and what not to reverse-engineer the T-800."
Right, if you want to go with the consistent-universe theory, then it can easily be explained by "no matter WHAT you send back, physics/history will conspire to not change history in such a way that you send anything but what you sent back".
Ties it up in a nice little bow. So, perhaps skynet could not possibly have sent back anything but one T800.
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I personally prefer the observer theory; anything which was observed as happening, will happen. Period. Cannot be altered.
I think, though that the Terminator series wound up going into the 'many universes' theory of continuum changes; each change creates a branch, and an entirely new reality.
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Myfiance wanted to drive to the next largest town (an hour drive) to see Nemesis a week ago, because it wasn't playing locally yet. I told her no dice, I had finals the next day. So she settled on watching Die Another Day instead - but only because Two Towers wasn't out yet.
:)
And to top it off, she's definately not a cow, cybercow - whatever. She's more attractive than Eowyn, in Two Towers, actually, by quite a bit - but the same basic blonde hair, eyes, and build.
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Is John Coner being played by the doctor from Star Trek DS9? Looks like him.
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Yes, that's one of the ones I linked to in my original post-- I've read that, and its sequel, "Rising Storm." Both were very good.
The "Dark Futures" book by the other author I mentioned is interesting in another way... it has two timelines told in alternating chapters: One that diverges from T2 in that Sarah *didn't* go after Miles Dyson, and she and John just went into hiding, and Judgment Day happened as foretold; another that picks up the story in 2001 after the successful destruction of Dyson's work-- Sarah and John are living their lives quietly in South America after preventing Judgment Day, but then one day some strange people come calling...
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OK, that sentence, well, it was more my thinking aloud. Of course Terminator 2 is NOT the only good sequel ever. I think it is one of the better sequels, but as I added later, the Godfather trilogy, Evil Dead II and III, 2010 as a sequel to 2001 is very good (although 2001 is outstanding), Sergio Leone's "Man without a name" trilogy... yeah, I have met some worthy sequels, and now you make me regret for thinking aloud for a moment. You're not being quite fair ;o)
Now, to your point: I totally agree! They didn't develop all that much on the basic idea, now did they? However, the reason I enjoyed Terminator 2 was in part because I found interesting the idea that humans managed to utilize their enemie's weapon, by reprogramming it, I liked the idea of Arnold switching sides, and the new model of Terminator - a shape shifter. And I thought it was really well directed and visually appeasing. So, it had a few things going for it.
However, a third remake, which actually doesn't seem to bring nothing new compared to Terminator 2? No thanks. I'll maybe see it on TV when it comes out in a few years, out of curiosity. Maybe.
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