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Nintendo's Playstation Settlement Bombshell (or not...updated)
Magamo writes "Console Talk has the story on a settlement between Sony and Nintendo over the rights to the "PlayStation" name, which was originally a joint owned copywrite, given to a CD and Cartridge based system to play SNES games. The settlement is for 10% of Sony's proceeds, past and present on the "PlayStation" name, currently amounting to approximately $2.3 billion. Nintendo is allowing Sony to pay it off in installments over the next 20 years. Nintendo currently plans on using the money to create a new game studio comprised of members of some of the biggest in the japanese industry, in order to create titles exclusively for the GameCube. Hmm, my guess is that Sony's next console will be shying away from the PlayStation moniker..." CD: It seems that I might have fallen for a hoax. Doh!
joint owned copyright
I think it should be "trademark"...
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Maybe we won't see the PlayStation 5 after all.
I like how the story is down even before any comments. Somehow I don't trust my news from www.consoletalk.com.
My guess is that they will have to drop any backward compatability with the older playstaion consoles when the produce the new model without the "playstation" name tag...
That'll cost em..
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Considering that the PS2 has been responsible for SONY staying in the black for the past couple of years, this is huge. Even more for Nintendo. Given that the average age of the game player is increasing, methinks that Nintendo better start creating content (love that phrase) for adults pretty soon.
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That Sony will change the name to JUST PS2 and in the next revision PS3, not PlayStation at all. They've put way too much into branding PS2 to let it all go, but they also can't give Nintendo all their earnings.
So look for the new PS3 in 2003 - 04.
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I'm sorry but this is bullshit, something like this would be major news especially considering that Sony is a publicly traded company and would have been obligated to inform it's investors that it was being sued.
Sorry guys, no news here move along, it's bullshit.
This type of billion dollar settlement is a typical artifact of high-technology management
styles for conflicts. I doubt that anyone over
at Sony that caused this problem will take any
fallout from it.
More likely, this conflict slowly progressed where no product manager wanted to take the sales hit for moving away from the protected PlayStation brand. After all, the loss of brand recognition would be felt immediately in the sales figures that measure the success of a product manager and the current settlement is only felt long after those product managers have been promoted.
A good dictator could have fixed this problem before PlayStation was such an entrenched brand.
Why is it that Nintendo only gets to reap the benefits of the Playstation name? Can't Sony countersue for Nintendo to cover some of the liabilities associated with the Playstation name?
Yep, this is definitely true. A major story like Nintendo getting 10% of past sales from the PlayStation brand would definitely be only reported on an unreputable site like ConsoleTalk, and not on, say, Yahoo News, CNN, or Reuters.
And as for no news from Nintendo and Sony about this? That's just because they're slow in getting the press release out. Right.
This isn't true. How about doing some small amount of research next time before publishing the article.
This is related to the "Megaton" announcement from Nintendo coming soon. Some sites say it's Capcom being bought by Nintendo, some sites say it's Sony paying Nintendo money for the PS brand, some sites have equally ridiculous stories. All sites are rumours and aren't true (so far), as no announcement has been made.
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copywrite? COPYWRITE?
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I am in total disbalief that an upstanding bullshit free site such as slashdot as posted this article. For one, Nintendo has never had ANY stake in the playstation name. Nintendo and Sony's partnership on the then dubbed "SNES CD" ended without the project going anywhere. Because of Sega CDs flop, Nintendo pulled out extremely early in the process and left Sony to develope it alone. AFTER Nintendo left the partnership is when Sony took up the PlayStation name. Check out Copyright.gov if you dont believe me. 3. Registration Number: VA-759-813 Title: PlayStation. Description: Computer graphic. Claimant: acSony Computer Entertainment, Inc. Created: 1994 Published: 10May94 Registered: 2Apr96 Title on © Application: PS device. Special Codes: 5/S The official copyright database says NOTHING ABOUT NINTENDO. There is no way in hell that Nintendo could POSSIBLY win this suit, and there's no way in hell they are dumb enough to pursue it. I have lost much faith in my beloved slashdot for posting such total unofficial rumored bullshit.
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Here's why:
I would expect Sony's stock price to have plummeted and investors would be made aware (no evidence on Yahoo Biz).
I would expect that Sony's website would mention this issue (here's the press release site for the Playstation http://us.playstation.com/news/PressReleases/ and Sony's official press release site) Note the lack of this story.
Google turns up no results either.
Don't post stories like this without checking them.
and sony will make the platform.
nintendo designed games on the playstation??? ouch.
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Even though I'm an adult, I still find the same things fun.
It's not like I suddenly stopped finding Metroid fun. Metroid will always be fun. To actually say something that implies you stop enjoying certain things once you get past a set age, well.... I call bullshit.
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This is all pure speculation related to an upcoming "megaton" announcement Nintendo is supposed to make in the near future. The speculation ranges from this story to Nintendo buying Campcom and Sega. It's all been a contest to see who can get their page linked the most with the most outrageous story, and it looks like this site won.
As for the actual announcement, please don't post any more news on it until you see it on nintendo.com
There is no mention of this "settlement" on either the playstation or nintendo sites.
In the words of Kent Brockman: "Do we have a source on this?"
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In other news, a 45 year old italian plumber named mario, sues nintendo, for defamation of character, and slander.
wcbarksdale, thank you for posting that link... that's the funniest thing I've read all week, and I wouldn't have known about it if you hadn't posted it.
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uh? This is an old rumor. Fuck, its damn near ready for snopes. chrisd: Dont just post cause it looks cool, check it out first.
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Note to self: evidently "Informative" can also mean "moderately convincing lie."
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When asked about the 2.3 billion dollar fiasco, a spokesman for Sony had this to say:
"Oops."
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It would be even more funny if this would have propelled the story to be displayed on the google news front page.
However I suppose google's AI code would look for corresponding sources before alerting it's readers to something major like this.
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While it is apparently true that the (defunct) Super NES CD-Rom addon project was a joint effort between Nintendo and Sony, and was codenamed "Playstation," this story is a hoax.
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What about the playstation 5!!!
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(it has a trinary processor
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That article would be a joke... not a story.
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On both mozilla and netscape 4.77. I am all out of browsers since I don't want to fire up VMWare...
The artical you're talking about was on slashdot just one day ago. And no one is going to do any coaxing.
In any event, nintendo has been trying to change their demographics for a while, but they havn't been able to.
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I used to love comic books, video games, and TV. I still enjoy video games once in a while, but my desire for all three of those things has really gone down. I now find Comic books way overpriced for 3 or 4 minutes of plesure, and TV just knaws at my brain.
People really do grow out of things, but it's not like throwing more blood into a video game is going to make me want to play it more. The only stuff that kind of thing apeals to are 12-15 year old boys.
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In other news, a 45 year old italian plumber named mario, sues nintendo, for defamation of character, and slander.
Isn't he still in rehab for that shroom habit of his?
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No company whom's livelyhood is in an industry as volatile and sudden as gaming would agree to a "20 year" payment plan. That is absurd. I could see a massive corporation like Canon agreeing to maybe a 10 year suit of this magnitude with a much smaller company like Hewlitt-Packard/Compaq (in case you didn't know, Canon has patents on almost all laser printer and camera technologies, and builds almost all of HP's printers and the components that go in cameras - such a suit could be concievable if HP slipped up). This is because Canon knows that it will be around for at least another 20 years, and HP at least 15. But 20 billion from Sony over 20 years? Not likely. Nintendo would rather have 3 billion right now. The market in which Nintendo thrives would demand it.
The original poster was trying to imply that any game with bright, primary colours, or any game with Mario, had to be a kids game. That such games were only of enjoyment to kids. Ludicrous!
;)), but I still enjoy Mario Party 4, Super Monkey Ball, Smash Bros, etc. Games marked as "kiddy" by some. I play the crap out of them until my controllers don't work anymore. Is there something wrong with me? Not at all. I also enjoyed Monsters, Inc -- another "cute" movie which happenened to have depth, and a great execution.
I still enjoy video games a lot. Granted, I don't have nearly as much patience for jumping puzzles as I used to (which could also be linked to the greater numbers of games I own
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And it's a "copyright"; "copywrite" is something a "copywriter" does.
I guess the next system from Sony won't be a "box", "cube", or "station". How about "Sony Girlfriend Eliminator"?
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First we get stories that are duped.
Now we are getting duped by stories.
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What, you're taking editorial lessons in publishing groundless fanboy bollocks from fat Harry at Aint It
I can't remember. Can companies sue rumourmongers if said rumours drive down their stock price?
"Information wants to be paid"
Seriously, the stories in most commic books are extreemly trite. If they cost 10 They might be worth it. 1/3rd the price of a move for 1/20th the entertainment isn't much of a deal... especialy when most of the stories are lower quality then free entertanment on the boob toob.
Yeah, I never really looked at the supposed literary greats of the comic world... but there the price diferential is even greater. I could pay $8 for a Gibson (for example) novel that would take me 18 hours to get through, or $3 for a comic that would take 10 minutes if you were lucky...
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Yes, why pay XXX Millions, when you could pay...
(puts pinky finger to corner of mouth)
BILLIONS!?!?!
Besides, nobody's paying anyone anything. As others have pointed out, while there are elements of truth to the history behind the story, there is no settlement, and as far as I know, no suit.
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Nice going, chrisd.
Plan something BIG for number three, would ya? If you're going to get booted as a Slashdot "editor" (even with quotes, I can't believe I just juxtaposed those two words...), your final act should be something really monumental.
Seriously, though: Is this, like, the earliest April Fool's joke in history? I mean, past mistakes aside, I never figured you for a dumb guy. Are you really telling us that you read this submission, and you seriously thought it seemed plausible?!?
Otherwise, you should be thankful you posted this at 1238AM. Imagine if you'd posted it mid-morning, and every Slashdotter had run straight to Ameritrade to sell his/her shares in Sony. Imagine what might have happened, at least temporarily, to Sony's stock. (In this climate, a small blip can be interpreted as a relatively large spike...and before you can say "Open Source," stockholders are assuming that "spike" represents information they don't have, and they're scrambling not to be left behind.)
Now imagine what the correspondence from Sony's attorneys might have looked like, when it arrived in your office the next morning. Does the name "PairGain" ring any bells?
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"killed their php" ?
it failed to open a file, which means the file is gone or not readable. wtf is up with this story? i dont even think they realized it was a joke when they posted it, and the article is gone immediately? pretty lame.
Has anyone else noticed that, the more hyperlinks a submission includes, the more likely the Slashdot editors are to take it seriously?
If I were to submit a story including links to a commercial real estate firm, eBay, and a picture of the Brooklyn Bridge, would you post my story about how I'm auctioning it off using a zero-feedback profile with a "Buy It Now!" of $19.95?
It looks to me like "Magamo" figured out exactly how to slip one through your blind spot, chrisd. Better work on your tells.
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yeah, that's like 115 million dollars per year to pay that off... i think some other news sites would've covered this if it's this huge :-/
come on guys, april fools is still many months away!
So now google's AI code is more reliable than a live editor. Remind me why I'm supposed to have faith in human intelligence again?
Few people realize the jump between PS2 and the original Playstation. I know the halfly informed will jump out and say "yeah the old one is 33MHz, new one is several hundred," etc. But in this case the MHz (just as in intel/amd world) says nothing.
in every PS2, the "PS1" portion is not even another chip, let along anything they had to work hard for: there was no signal routing on the circuit board, no data passed between the new and the old (gfx proc, new cpu), and I don't even think it usued the memory (might be wrong on the last part, though).
The PS1 portion is but a corner of the I/O processor. (I/O processor handles (duh) I/O - but also sound - so PS1 core pipes the audio directly through.) So pretty much PS1 is running on the "sound card" portion of the PS2, if you will. I highly suspect that they had a lot of chip area left when making the I/O processor (or adding on the entire IP core of PS1 costed minimally) so they just said fsck it let's put that on there.
In desktop terms, this is equivalent to, say, running a Pentium II system using your SCSI card controller. (which, btw, the higher end ones from adaptec actually do use a P2 for the microcontroller)
Contrastingly - while that's not possible for the PS2 to be integrated into a dusty corner of a new-gen console for now - by the time P2 retires, I would not be surprised if they can pull the trick again - or if it proved to be costly then, they will probably just skip it.
Not sure if this is coverable under NDA, as it should be pretty common info via developer kits; but i am posting AC anyhow.
As a "news site," how liable is Slashdot for posting this story should it turn out to be total fiction? There was apparently zero editorial checking, and since the story isn't there, you have to wonder if it ever was. Did some Slashdot editor just see a cool story and "OK" the submission? If that's the typical way things get done, it's awfully unethical.
That must have hurt Sony. However, this shows how important the "brand"/name is to a company. Hmm.. I wonder if Micrsoft will get sued by some sextoy company for using "XBox".
This case is very interesting though. There was no news about this "Playstation" controversy. Doesn't a company have to run through an agency before it launches a product of a particular name?
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I distinctly remember news articals from the early 90s discussing the SNES-CD, and they said it would be called the PlayStation.
As far as copyright.gov goes, well.
1) it's not a copyright, it's a trademark.
2) The deal was made in Japan, not the US.
3) Trademark law is a bit diffrent, in that you can start using a term, and trademark it later. As long as you've been 'trading' under that name, you get protection. So even with out legal ownership nintendo could still have a case.
And lets not forget 4) Slashdot is not a bullshit free site.
Anyway, the artical is total crap for reasons other people mentioned, but so is your post. Your history is warped, and so is your understanding of Intelectual Property.
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Don't you think the trademark of relevence would have been filed in japan, not the US?
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Trillian:
> If for no other reason, it's interesting
> Slashdot is one of the sites Google News searchs.
Yes. Slashdot bills itself as a news site, and it is looked upon as a news site.
Begging the question, as several have already asked: If this story had been posted 11 hours later (mid-morning), and it had caused -- even temporarily -- repercussions for Sony's stock value...what exactly would Slashdot's liability be?
(Or, to ask another way: How soon thereafter would Sony OWN Slashdot?)
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Why not just build the next playstation inside the aibo? No more having to move it around yourself, and you can call for it and it will come to you. A logical choice for Sony of course ;)
- The Hank Files -- Playstation, the SNES CD-ROM
- Console Database has the full story, with pictures.
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Surely if Nintendo felt that Sony had screwed them over with the Original PlayStation (the SNES add on) then they should have said something back in 1994* not all these years later.
*Obviously this date is incorrect.
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People don't usually make the same mistake twice -- they make it three times, four time, five times...
So, we'll see a duplicate of this posted?
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Sounds like a massive amount of money to have to pay just for royalties of the *name*. It's not even that good.
What's in a name...? Everyone would still have bought it if it was called a "PS2".
Nick...
It really matters a lot to me that felt that way.
Oh wait, no it dosn't.
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I don't know why, but it's embarassing to me to think that this headline will stay up, UN-ALTERED all day on the front page of slashdot. Can't the put an 'oops' at the end, as they usually do with dupes? This is much more serious than a dupe (as in duplicate; not being duped, which is what everyone who reads this will be)...It's embarassing.
As they happen on slashdot.
Trouble with some modern journalists, is they sometimes research their information before they print it. Otherwise they get sued.
If I hadn't read and dismissed this one from uk.games.video.gamecube three weeks ago, and dismissed it as another bit of unlikely speculation on nintendos "big announcement" (which is more likely a Pokemon game), then I might have believed it.
More importantly the Sony stockholders might have believed it too, and the large corporations.
Ok, so maybe slashdot has the freedom to post an urban legend every so often, but do watch out, it might cost you a lot of money one day...
I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's true. Chris, this is your JOB for God's sake! You get PAID to do this! This story is an obvious fraud. The site didn't get "slashdotted," you see, as other people have pointed out, there was no such story on Console Talk to begin with. The submitter posted a fake link. All it would have taken for you to realize this was fraud was to click the damn link!!! But you didn't even do that! What if it had been a link to goatse.cx?
And what about Console Talk? Because of you, thousands of slashdotters think Console Talk is full of shit, when in fact the bogus story was never on their site to begin with!
Chris, you screwed up, and you should apologize to Slashdot, and to Console Talk.
ADMINS - NIX THIS AS A HOAX IMMEDIATELY IF YOU CAN'T VERIFY THE STORY.
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Google News and now The Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6816) have now sourced the article on
It's spreading.
Funny... I didn't think April 1'st was until April 1'st....
I'll have something intelligent to add one of these days...
More likely that the site took the article down in a desperate attempt to conceal the fact that they'd been posting blatantly false 'news' stories. I find it hard to believe that anyone who knows *anything* about the console market would believe this for a minute.
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the story dupes the editor!
Burn.
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Yes. Slashdot bills itself as a news site, and it is looked upon as a news site.
So's the Drudge Report. *Shrug*
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In Video Gaming, anything lighthearted and fun gets labeled "Kids," and anything edgy and violent gets labeled "adults." While an adult movie like What Women Want can be fun, very few adult games retain that sense of lighthearted enjoyment.
Kids games are also in digestably shorter bites, with more intense enjoyment up front, for the little one's attention spans. This is great when you are trying to grab a moment between work and a trip to the grocery store.
That's just my opinion, but I'm not wrong.
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Anyone remember copywrite and copyiipc?
I'm dating myself, but back in the day, these were the two major copying programs that everyone used to copy IBM PC games/programs, back in the mid-80's. They would break most floppy-disk protection schemes and new versions would be coming out, it seemed every few months that would cover more and more programs and games.
I think it was thanks to the efforts of those two programs that software companies finally gave up on trying to add physical protection mechanisms on the floppies and eventually give up entirely.
Now if only the RIAA and the rest of the music industry would just learn from the mistakes of the past, they would realize that all their stupid protection mechanisms are just a complete waste of time.
And you guys are bitching about slashdot getting fooled because they got tricked?
How about
"Iraq sells nerve agents to Al-Qaeda"
next day
"Oops, sorry, that information was inaccurate."
YOU alone have the responsibility of confirming what "news" you believe.
Hmm, my guess is that Sony's next console will be shying away from the PlayStation moniker..."
Um, providing this article were true, why wouldn't they use the name? They just paid 2.3 billion dollars for it.
Here is an article decrying this story as a hoax; It's not really an article so much as a list of people saying "feh", but at least it's posted on something like a news site.
Slashdot would do well to create the right impression among it's readers; maybe having one of our friendly editors change the story title to reflect it's untruth is advisable.
Maybe it's time bring the Slashdot Random Story Generator back out. It seems to do a better job at sensationalistic fictional story-telling.
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Umm he's right. Sony originally called the SuperNES CD a 'Playstation'. Part of the falling out was that Sony wanted it to be a 'Sony Machine' that was compatible with Super NES games. Nintendo didn't want to lose their brand name.
I'd suggest you do a little more searching. It really isn't hard to find that info.
It's the notion that tastes must change in such a set way, so suddenly. I don't agree with a statement that says that I have to stop enjoying Mario games. I don't agree with a statement like "GameCube is a kiddy console" -- I was playing RE0 again last night on it. RE0 and Metroid Prime are the two most enjoyable games I have for it (and they consistently win out against my other consoles [I have all of them* with a respectable library for each] for my game time).
;)). You're right in that children won't always enjoy adult things, but I don't think that the adult enjoyment games are a separate set from childrens games; I think that the range of games you enjoy grows larger (admittedly, you do stop enjoying ABC/123 Sesame Street, but I never enjoyed that when I was young ;)).
:) NES, SMS, TG16, SNES, PSX, N64, Dreamcast (2), PS2, Xbox, GameCube, GBA.
There are plenty of games I love which, as you pointed out, I may not have appreciated as much 15 years ago. Shenmue, for example (I own Shenmue, Shenmue 2 eu import, and Shenmue 2x), or Ico (another game I happen to have at my house).
Recently I was actually talking with a person who was looking to buy some games for their children, and I thought about a few games I really enjoyed now (like Splinter Cell, and Sons' of Liberty), and I was wondering if I would've had the patience for that kind of game as a child (probably, since I played so many RPGs
* When I say I have all of them, I mean I have a lot
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Nintendo has been around for over 100 years, and Sony has been around for at least 50. And, while Nintendo is mostly games only, Sony has a lot to fall back on... Sony even made the Tape recorder Nixon used to erase the Watergate tapes :P. I'm sure Sony will be around for another 20 years, and I'm willing to bet Nintendo will be as well.
In fact, if Nintendo really needed the money, they could use the installments as collateral for a loan, and get quite a bit more then 3 billion dollars.
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...in certain cases a trademark can be copyrighted. Arghh!
Mickey Mouse is a classic example IIRC.
Apple's jumped in, too.
Some devious mind proposed, "Can You Patent a Copyrighted Trademark?"
No comment.
While I could see a trademark being copyrighted (say, a very elaborate logo), I haven't heard of it.
:-)
Neither of the articles you linked to contains, AFAI can tell, an instance of a copyrighted trademark. It's mostly journalists using language loosely.
In the Mickey Mouse one, Mickey Mouse works are copyrighted. Mickey Mouse himself (the famous silhouette, at least) is a trademark. The trademark does not apply to the works, and I'm fairly sure that the copyrights do not apply to the trademark.
And in the Apple one has the use of trademark in a non-legalistic way, unfortunately (a distinctive characteristic rather than a registered symbol) in "copy its copyrighted trademark themes". Even more unfortunately, it *also* mentions trademarks (in the legal sense) in the same article, which is a bit confusing. Now, the themes in question contain both copyrighted images (like Apple's famous "glassies") and Apple's "apple" logo, which is a trademark.
May we never see th