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Web Site Hacks Rise as War Rages in Iraq
An anonymous reader noted a Reuters news story talking about Website Defacement during the war. Apparently protesters and hackers are defacing hundreds of US and UK sites, both corporate and government.
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i'm surprised reuters didn't get hit for carrying the story.
Anything you say will be held against you.
I remember this also happening during the war in Yugoslavia a few years back.
Script kiddies are now the new heroes of the left...
If they spent the time used to hack the websites into the actual FACTS of why we are at war, maybe they wouldn't be protesting at all?
Honestly, I went to 4 anti-war protests, and no one could explain why we were truely at war. They just wanted an excuse not to go to work.
nobody can get to them anyway, they're too busy sucking bandwidth with Flash ads saying "WAR!" and streaming RealMedia. Heh.
At least after Sept 11, news agencies went to static HTML versions of their news sites.
The less fluff, the better. We just want the friggin news.
how many of these hack attacks are exploiting known issues?
Slashdot has found its own niche and comments on non-mainstream tech issues related to the war, instead of just parroting the regular feed. Way to go!
When men used to be men
None of these claims are true. /. and defaced index.pl to show this story!!!
/. ever been defaced by e-vandals?
Someone has just hacked into
But seriously.....has
Arc
All this does is make other hackers/crackers/what ever look bad. It will not convert people. It will just piss them off.
Free speech is getting expensive...
See How to Overthrow a country, and do it yourself, now!
Does anyone else find it offensive that the author draws a distinction between "protesters" and "patriotic" hackers? They seem to imply that protesting the war would be unpatriotic.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
Why is it not the other way around?
rm -rf all Iraq government sites
It just doesnt seem like the smartest thing to do, defacing your own national websites. Hey, our troops are fighting for us across the ocean, lets not support them. You voted, your leader chose to go to war, what is your problem?
Also, hey, our economy is doing poorly, lets deface some corporate sites in a hope they lose millions to lots sales and extra security costs.
Stupid stupid stupid. If you want to protest a war, have a PEACEFUL protest. Protesting a war by doing illegal and hurtful things is the pot calling the kettle black.
These people lose all public respect and support by doing stupid, negative things.
[I can picture a world without war, without hate. I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it]
I wonder if this is the new, technology-enhance democracy. Where the free flow of information and ideas occurs as grafitti on hacked sites.... Do hackers even vote?
And it's always covered up fast and never mentioned like it didn't happen.
I saw one. They didn't even use any exploit code. They got all the way in and posted a story to the front page just through configuration errors! hahah!
But unless your lucky enough to catch a glimpse of it before it disappears you will probably not hear much about it. Slashdot likes to cover these sorts of things up. Watch for this to be modded down fast or my ip banned.
Ever wonder why slashdot fucks up and no one can post or there is a static frontpage etc. ? well that what the aftermath of a defacement looks like.
These vandals are no different than the terrorist regime of Saddam Hussein or the terrorist network of Al Queda. The only difference is that they use a computer as their weapon of choice, instead of a gun. They should be jailed.
The people of Iraq want and need this war to occur. War is a necessary evil, and in this case, it is the right thing to do.
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
Some l33t h4X0R says: "Ohh YeaH BabY...Ur SiTe Has BeeN DeFaceD."
Believe it or not, Mr L337 has acurately described what he is doing with this "protest". He is defacing public/private property, and that is a crime.
The protests on the Streets of San Francisco are not "Civil" though they are assuredly disobedient. Sitting outside of a lunch counter, or not taking the bus, that is civil disobedience. Dragging newspaper vending machines into the street to block trafic, or breaking into a server to alter index.htm is illegal.
Lets remember that words have meanings, and in describing these acts, "Civil" is not an accurate term.
"Inattention makes clowns of us all" -Bean
Bush: "I dream of a Free Iraq... That's Free as in Beer."
Yesterday, in Boston, protesters sat down and blocked the Mass Ave Bridge, a major 4 way bridge. They also blocked people from getting to work at the Boston Stock Exchange and government buildings. Why prevent people from getting into work that have nothing to do with the war? Let them earn their living. What if an ambulance or emergency crew need to get over the bridge? Why are you drawing our police away from homeland security issues?
I have also seen a lot of graffitti- notably defacing of said Mass Ave Bridge with permanent spray paint. I have also seen private business buildings hit with the "no war" graffitti. I think some protesters are just in it to get on TV and know very little about what they're protesting.
Feel free to protest, but don't infringe on my rights when doing so.
Script Kiddies like protesters have found out:
Breaking shit is a whole lot of fun! Now... If only I can find a cause to make my conscience feel good about doing it!
This is pretty much the level of sophistication of most of the antiwar protests I've seen thus far, in the streets or on the internet.
If I was a protester with genuine antiwar convictions, I'd be pretty annoyed that my credibility was being destroyed by 14 year-old script kiddies... not to mention the uninformed, loony-left, stringy-haired wannabe hippies pulling juvenile "look at me!" stunts on the streets of San Francisco.
OK. I had a hard time driving around SF yesterday because of people doing more or less the same thing. On the one hand, they are blocking access to cyber places - and on the other they are blocking access to real ones. I was wondering if anyone could explain the logic behind protesting a war that is already started? Does anyone really believe that our government is going to stop and say, "Gee, we better stop this war so that those guys from Berkley will move off the Altimont Expressway..."
All I can see here is people giving Saddam (or what's left of his regime) fuel for his fight. He can say, "Look, the American people don't believe what their government is doing. Stop surendering and kill kill kill!!!" This would cause more loss of life to american soldiers. So... Can anyone explain what the protesters are hoping to get out of this? (Other than a permanent record...)
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Yep. It shoooo does.
yep.. happened to my site last night. took me about 2 mins on the phone with my hosting company and deleting and reuploading my index file.
... the words "Al Qaida OwnZ j00!!"
This just more bullshit to give little wannabe's a reason to break the law, costing businesses money does what for your cause exactly? You silly little meatheads. Want to protest showing your patroitism? Here is how, instead of blocking the streets mid afternoon. Get A Frickin' Job! Thats the best thing you can do for your country, stop hogging its tax dollars.
I can understand other countries doing this because America is putting an end to their Saddam funded wallets but if you're American, English, Or Aussie. Shut up and back your troops they need it more than you think. Damn too much venting I'll have to post as anonymous coward now.
I'm glad I use IIS
Get paid to code OSS
Once upon a time, protest was a means of bringing attention to an idea that was either being suppressed or ignored. However, the anti-war protesters instead are just being obnoxious. Everyone, at least hear in America, has not only heard the protesters opinions over and over again, as each week's protest is carried by every major news agency in the world. America has heard the protesters' reasoning but they've rejected them to the tune of 70% or so the populace. Protesters...getting louder is just making you look obnoxious.
That's what those neo conservatives and hawks want you to believe. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq /
Message Concerning Collapse of
the World Trade Center Towers
From: "David Rostcheck"
To: USAttacked@topica.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:12 PM
Subject: WTC bombing
Ok, is it just me, or did anyone else recognize that it wasn't the airplane impacts that blew up the World Trade Center? To me, this is the most frightening part of this morning. I hope other people actually are catching this, but I haven't seen anyone say it yet, so I guess I will. I guess being an engineer may make one more conscious of these things...
If you watch the time sequence, you'll see that it happens like this:
- A plane hits tower #1, blowing a hole in it high up. The expected things then happen:
- The building stays up. A reinforced concrete building is *extremely* strong. Terrorists set off a large bomb *inside* that building without significant damage. Notice that neither plane impact does anything like break off a big hunk of building floors and send it crashing into the street. The WTC towers were specifically designed to survive a direct impact from a jumbo jet - which *both do*.
- The stories from the impact point up burn horribly. Note, fire moves upward, not downward.
- The second plane hits the second tower, lower and moving faster. It blows a bigger hole through it, showering debris on the street, but the building is clearly still standing and still looks quite solid.
- The second building begins burning, also from the impact point up.
- Perhaps a half hour later, the fire in the first building *goes out*. It is still smouldering and letting off black smoke, but there is no flame. Anyone who saw the documentary on that horrid skyscraper fire in Philadelphia that led to the codes requiring sprinklers on every floor knows why. There's no way to get fire apparatus into a skyscraper effectively, so it needs to be designed into the structure - which it is. The water flows from the roof reservoirs down. Sprinklers can kill incredible infernos, and that's what these do.
- The fire in the second building goes out.
- Then, later, the second building suddenly crumbles into dust, in a smooth wave running from the top of the building (above the burned part) down through all the stories at an equal speed. The debris falls primarily inward. The tower does not break off intact and collapse into other buildings. The bottom does not crumble before the top. The burned out section crumbles also. The crumbling comes from the top (above the damage). It moves at a uniform rate. All of the structural members are destroyed in a smooth pattern, so there is no remaining skeleton. The damage is uniform, symmetric, and total.
In summary, it looks exactly like a demolition - because that's what it is.
- The first tower collapses in a similar demolition wave.
There's no doubt that the planes hit the building and did a lot of damage. But look at the footage - those buildings were *demolished*. To demolish a building, you don't need all that much explosive but it needs to be placed in the correct places (in direct contact with the structural members) and ignited in a smooth, timed sequence. Someone had to have had a lot of access to all of both towers and a lot of time to do this.
This is pretty grim. The really dire part is - what were the planes for? If you're going to demolish the building, what's the point of the flashy display?
The way they're cutting the footage on the news now makes it look like the buildings crumbled soon after being hit by the planes, which is not true. They've also started slowing the clips from after the demolition explosion starts, so you don't see the top of the building go first - but those who taped it, go back and look at the early first-run clips.
If, in a few days, not one official has mentioned anything about the demolition part, I think we have a REALLY serious problem.
-- davidr
My spam filters are working overtime since Wednesday. An increase of about ten times as much. Fortunately, the filters are still working.
This is a terrible tradedy for the open source community. I am discusted how people hack projects for the good of humanity using the insane manic W.bush's illegal war as an excuse.
You have the technical ability and cutting edge hacking tools to crack into a major government website and deliver the ultimate statement on the state of affairs that just might be read by millions... ...and you put "Ohh YeaH BabY...Ur SiTe Has BeeN DeFaceD."
The pro-war moderations on slashdot show that it is clearly not a neutral source.
Slashdot is just more corporate media in favor of american imperialism.
Oh boy maybe VA Software can sell sourceforge to the company that gets to dispose of the piles of dead iraqis.
Slashdot is just another america pit of lies.
Well, check out this: whitehouse.net
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NWPS.ws
...aren't there any sites that have links to hacked sites and keep archives like 2600 used to do? Has 2600 started doing that again?
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Fine, exercise your right for free speech. Protest in public areas. However you DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO FORCE ME TO LISTEN TO YOU. Get out of the fucking road and leave other people's property ALONE. It's the same pathetic justification spammers use to justify loading users inboxes with crap that these so called "protestors" are using to cause trouble.
I remember back when the internet was viewed as the new printing press. Anyone can post their views. Now it's just viewed as a big giant corporate ad. And people are too freakin lazy to exert any effort to get their views out. They'd rather sit and bitch that no one is listening to them and then cause trouble. I happen to have worked very hard building up a site that's quite popular. It makes a great forum. Nobody owed me that forum. I built it myself because I wanted it.
I got a survey ( http://www.icarusindie.com/survey ) going to see who people think the US should be attacking if anybody. I have a banter box on the front page and I have an entire section dedicated to the war.
That's my forum. Get your own. Such idiots should be arrested and fined. As of yesterday 2000 "protestors" were arrested. Good riddence.
Ben
Work Safe Porn
I still think it is downright hilarious where some of these anti-war protests are occurring. My favorite one is the german protest. Yes, we all know it is a cold day in hell when germany isn't the one to start a world war. The german people believing that they are that superior is ridiculous. The world's largest kettle just called the pot black.
Now, if some cracker was to break into the enviromental controls for Saddams bunker and sufficate his dumb ass, I don't the US would be that pissed about the situation, other than slapping some general around and saying "Why didn't you think of that dipshit!"
However, defacing websites only sends one message... your an idiot who can use script kiddie tools...
Why don't you do something more productive, like participate in the Democratic process and let your elected officals know how you feel about the war, what you think your country should be doing to prevent war.
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
...'Nam a few more years back.
Of course, I'm also crazy.
I love the doublethink brought out over the last few years.
Having War will give Peace
Disobeying the UN will give it purpose
Cowardice is the refusal to injure thousands of innocent civilians living in Baghdad opposing a major power's whim.
Bravery is the ability to order the deaths of 100,000 Iraqis without wincing or bringing up your Caesar salad.
Apparently, well-fed young men sitting in millions of dollars' worth of military hardware and dropping bombs from 30,000ft on impoverished people who have already had all their arms taken away are exemplars of 'bravery'.
War on Terrorism... In the words of Terry Jones: "You can wage war against another country, or on a national group within your own country, but you can't wage war on an abstract noun. How do you know when you've won?"
Geez... The doublespeak is astounding.
My favourite one was the attack of "Shock and Awe" that the US is parading, or as the CBC puts it "Anger and Confusion". No one is shocked, no one is awed, everyone is angry and everyone is confused in Iraq.
It's pretty darn hard to be in awe of a nation that is invading you.
Oh wait... we aren't invading iraq, or occupying iraq. Even though they are raising american colours over Iraqi cities that have been.. umm.. liberated...
Yeah.. that makes sense.
Stop playing word games, open your eyes, and you'll see what's happening.
Or you can just live in doublethink and apathy. That's the way a good patriotic citizen should live I guess.
Defacing web sites to protest the war is the stupidest thing I've heard of since those congress critters banned the word "french" from the capitol cafeteria menu.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
War puts an end to economic speculation, increases spending and generally drives the world markets up. If you've been paying attention to the business news, almost all markets are in the green, trading is good and commodity prices are down. The DOW has gained more in the past 2 days than in the past 3 years.
All at the expense of Iraq, of course.
A dreadful, evil, warped and [gasp] evil dictators is hiding weapons of mass destruction right in the heart of the United States.
We must stop Bill Gates!
"As a writer / novelist you might want to spellcheck your sig.
That's true, due to the massive recession there are unprecedented unemployment levels!
Maybe these people want money to be spent strengthening the economy instead of blowing people up?
I just wish that the government wouldn't spend their lives so cheaply
Do you think that the US Gov't is spending the lives of its soldiers cheaply? I can't think of any army in history that places so much value on the lives of individual soldiers as today's US Army. To accomplish a given mission, the Army would rather spend millions of dollars on high tech surveillance and "smart" missiles than risk the life of a single US soldier in actual combat.
The soldiers may be brave and willing, but the Army is so risk-adverse they are willing to do almost anything, at any cost, to avoid American combat casualties.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that at the end of the war, more soldiers die from accidents than actual combat. Probably, the Army's mortality rate won't be much higher than it would be for a similar-sized group driving on American highways, or smoking American cigarettes.
Why would Hitler be proud?
According to Internet Traffice Report, overall global traffic is down the last three days. Not that it shows the whole picture. I'm sure that the shape of that traffic in the last few days has changed dramatically.
Wired has a story on the same subject: http://wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,58143,0 0.html
FoundNews.com - get paid to blog.,
..someone should start a database filled with the actual defaced pages..whenever i see a story like this i wanna see what the script kiddies did, not a few qoutes and general statistics
-- Note to self - 'Don't push that button'.
I'm not saying the protesters aren't entitled to their opinions. I'm just angry that the "hax0rz" are creating so much more work for th IT folks who have nothing to do with this war. Rallies in public places are fine. Creating gridlock and giving police a hard time is bad. Some of these people have no clue what they're protesting against and are just part of a flock rebeling against anything they deem evil. When I see these college and highschool kids protesting by blocking streets during rush hour or monopolizing the police (taking them away from REAL crimes) I just wish I could make their lives more difficult with more homework or something. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for cryin' out loud, don't make others miserable trying to drive your point home.
So you assume that just because we don't agree with you, we must be ignoring you? Why is that? Because you think you have some kind of monopoly on The Truth or something? You're no better than you claim Bush to be, if that's really your attitude.
You have rights. I have rights. I cannot interfere with your rights, and you cannot interfere with mine. And yes, that means that if you wish to protest, you must do so in such a way that doesn't disrupt people's lives. Not only are you not attracting converts by doing so, you're in fact breeding resentment among the very people you should be courting.
Yes, the so-called PATRIOT act is a gross violation of everything this nation stands for. That's no excuse to violate people's rights even further.
The problem with forums is that you usually wind up preaching to the converted. Witness Slashdot for instance. We have several groups of converted and they all preach to each other and war with their opposition. But... nothing is ever accomplished:
-Linux vs. Windows
-MP3 vs. OGG
-Corporations are good vs. Corporations are evil
-Capitalism vs. Any other viable option
-Conservative vs. Liberal
-GNOME vs. KDE
etc...
Forums are, for the most part, a waste of time. The only real way to get your message heard (especially if it is an unpopular one) is with acts that really inconvenience others. As you said, it's a lot like spam. Those folks, as much as they should be flayed alive, are smart enough to know that their method works. Even though it inconveniences others, their message gets heard.
Sometimes the only way to get a message across is to jump up and down and yell "fire" in a crowded theater while holding up a sign saying "I oppose the War in Iraq".
Un-news
A Patriot is someone who loves their country, and works to help better it.
A Patriot is not silent on government corruption, illegal wars, or anything else that they think hurts the long-term health of the country.
A Patriot does criticize. They criticize at times of extreme political unrest. They ask questions when questions need to be asked.
And yes, a Patriot will perform acts of civil disobedience, when extreme situations warrent it.
A Patriot does not, under any circumstances, cowtow to the party line and 'fall in' as to not 'cause ripples'. A Patriot stands up and shouts to the fucking ceiling, 'something is wrong', when they feel something is wrong.
(And you know what's really funny? I'm Canadian. You know, one of those countries that's not 'the greatest nation in the whole world'. Whattajoke that phrase is. The hubris knows no bounds.)
If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
From the article:
Like graffiti, defaced Web sites are considered little more than a nuisance. The message tends to get wide exposure, but the damage to the victim is minimal. Web site operators typically have the site restored within a matter of hours.
Will the media ever learn that a seemingly "innocent" act of defacing a website causes a major headache for the people who have to patch the hole and make sure the rest of their systems weren't compromised? Of course, what should I expect from an article that thinks that crackers and "hackers" are the same thing.
Wow. The people that hacked seabornes.com must be really intelligent. At the bottom it says USG (Unix Security Guards). But viewing source comes up with this:
meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document
meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 9"
meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 9"
I'm not saying people who use Unix don't use Windows, but how many use Word to write HTML pages? What ever happened to notepad?
people should keep their opinions to themselves
Fuck that. This is never true. It's the very thing America fights for. That's the Freedom that we like to spout off about.
So no, I won't keep my bloody opinion to myself, thank you. And I consider myself all the more patriotic for it.
If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
They have to get louder because they are being drowned out by all the "Go America" bullshit. The media has not given anything near equal voice to anti-war arguments as they have to pro-war rhetoric.
Indeed not. If anything, anti-war rhetoric has gotten much more voice in the media.
The "Go America" bullshit isn't drowning you out. You (the antiwar protesters) are drowning yourselves out, by means of your tactics. People don't remember the message, they remember the jerks who sat down in the middle of the road and blocked traffic for hours, making many people late for work, most of them having nothing whatsoever to do with the war. Far from spreading the message to those who disagree, it only spreads resentment among those who disagree. In other words, the exact opposite of the intended effect.
If you're going to practice civil disobedience, fine. Be civil. As the old saying goes, you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. You want to "stop the anger" and "stop the hate"? Here's some honest advice: you could start by stopping it in yourself before going to stop it in others, because I can tell you right now, that is what the people see.
By the way, your statistics cut both ways. The very example you cite could easily be spun to say that a majority oppose the war, which is no more true than saying that a majority support it.
If someone does something you don't like you are free to do whatever you want to that person in retaliation...hey wait that's the the US is doing. So by protesting in an unlawfull amoralistic way I have become that which I hate and thus my protest myself. You're all about peace until someone breaks into your car as steals your favorite cd. If you are truely for peace then you must be peacefull at all times in all situations, think Ghandi with pants.
It is a shame that you posted this anonymously and most people are not going to read it.
There was also a rumor spreading around Europe and Russia (primarily Germany and Russia) that the White House web page had been hacked. This rumor was false; the URL reported was http://www.whitehouse.net/index2.html
The rumor was enough to generate 4,600,000 hits in a 72-hour period that normally sees only 100,000.
I thought it was a DDOS until I analyzed the logs. It was about 75% folks linking from email and 25% folks linking from various web based message boards. About 60% went straight to index2.html while 40% went to the home page.
Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.
Sure they can carpet bomb areas, but the B-52 can hold any number of precision guided munitions - like a large number of tomahawk-style guided missiles (larger versions though, forget the name).
In this war we do see ground forces really going in, much more so than the previous Iraq conflict which was much more an air war.
In a brief interview on CNN, a military analyst was saying that only 10% of the munitions dropped in the gulf war were precision - this time it will be about 80%.
So the introduction B-52 does not necessarily mark the end of precision targeting. Plus if they do carpet bomb, it would likely be large armor divisions somewhere in the desert... but this time around I think they'd rather not even do that, and have those soldiers give up rather than just kill them.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Saddam must of been a huge donkey pr0n consumer, this is the only rational explantation.
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Believe it or not, Mr L337 has acurately described what he is doing with this "protest". He is defacing public/private property, and that is a crime.
... both broke laws, and did jail time, in efforts to show such laws were unjust and should be repealed. They succeeded.
... they probably expect to commit and crime and get away with it. If so, then you are right in pointing out that what they are doing isn't civil disobedience, else they'd turn themselves in and allow themselves to be arrested to bring more attention to the issues they are protesting. Instead, they are likely just petty vandals using an opportunity to strike out at institutions they hate.
... I don't like the corporatization of America, or the corporate hijacking of the UN through the WTO and WIPO, any more than the next person. However, I cannot relate to or condone their behavior either ... unless they turn themselves in and face the music, they are merely vandals, not civilly disobedient protestors.
Very true.
The protests on the Streets of San Francisco are not "Civil" though they are assuredly disobedient.
"Civil" in civil disobedience refers not to civility (politeness), but to civilian, or disobedience to civil authority. There is a profound difference in both definition and implication.
In other words, the actions of those protestors snarling traffic in SF may not be civil (def: polite or cordial), but it most assuredly is "civil disobedience" (disobedience to civilian authority).
A person engaging in civil disobedience expects to be arrested and to "pay" for their crime, but choose do break the law regardless as a political statement. Ghandi and Martin Luthar King, Jr. are two such examples
A protestor on the street of San Francisco blocking traffic is most certainly engaged in "civil disobedience" and, unless they are an imbecel (quite possible based on some of the rhetoric I've seen from that direction), they fully expect to be arrested and pay for their crime. This tradeoff is worthwhile in their view, as it gives them media exposure with which they can get their message across.
Web defacement might possibly be another such form of civil disobedience, though I suspect you're right in that those doing so don't expect to get caught
I can relate to the hatred (in part)
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
"Might is right" This is what scares me about this war!
US Might makes it right and not the UN or international law! Just US might. =(
CIA Factbook 2002 (US):"Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households
Is it just me, or does it seem that we would be better off if high schools taught a class in things like well-managed protest, writing letters to representatives, contacting the media and generally affecting society without being an asshole?
Ther have been SEVERAL terrorist attempts, not just 9/11 (which was not just an attempt, but an attack. They were thwarted. Thanks to our officers. Have those officers not been available, we would have had more attacks.
That would REALLY annoy me. Considering how expensive movies are nowadays, I don't want to be interrupted. When things annoy me it makes me less likely to listen
Yelling "Fire" in a theater is illegal, and it is quite likely that people would end up seriously injured or dead as a result. One hundred people rushing for 1 or 2 doors IN THE DARK == people trampled to death.
People will not read the sign while fleeing for their lives, especially if it is DARK
:D
In the US, one has the right to protest PEACEFULLY, please do not forget this qualifier, as it is fairly important
ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI
I saw video of their so-called "anit-war protest." Is it just me, or were these people fighting more than the coalition troops in Iraq?
People will pass up steak once a week, for crap every day.
there, I've defaced Slashdot. Now sue me. fuck the war, fuck the war, fuck the war, fuck the war , fuck the war, fuck the war
Just a minor correction. The basketball player's name is not "Rick." but Steve Nash.
Do these hackers honestly think they're doing something good and patriotic by doing that crap?
It won't change anything, it just shows how immature they are. Why not do something useful like put their talent to work helping the world instead of pissing people off...
I love (note sarcasm) how in the very country these anti-war people seek to save, they would be killed, tortured, or raped for the very actions they do to try to save it.
Do they not see the irony?
The irony is tired and cliched, and a contains two strawmen to boot (the purpose of the war and the purpose of the 'anti-war people'). This sort of arguement dates at least to the war against Vietnam...
The fact that your country gives you a right to protest does not give it the right to invade countries that don't.
Quit crapflooding!
I was trying to find a webcam located in Iraq but to no avail. Dont they have computers there??
"We value you soldiers so highly that we are going to send you physically into harms way, rather than fight the conflict from a safe distance by remote control with weapons of mass descruction."
What part of "spending lives" don't you understand as "cheaply"?
-- AC
I had a minor 'incident' last week with a group calling themselves "Hackers Against War." They managed to replace the most recent story on my php-nuke based website with a juvenile little message.
/me is glad he backs up regularly!
After posting a request for help in a couple of PHP-nuke support forums, I was complete underwhelmed by the response.
My site is obscure enough that they probably only found me by googling for some nuke signature and then running an exploit script.
Bill Shaw
Dedicated to Alternate Reality Gaming
I wish I had mod-points, subtle (well, by Slashdot standards), funny, and probably true...
"Those folks, as much as they should be flayed alive, are smart enough to know that their method works."
No, it doesn't. It gets bad publicity. Bad publicity doesn't aid the cause. PETA is a joke. The more stupid stunts it pulls the more irrelavent it becomes. The more stupid stunts the protestors pull the less likely people are to care what they have to say.
If you have to shut down traffic to get your message out, it must be a pretty crappy message. There are far better ways to get people's attention without pissing them off.
Claiming forums don't work is the most ignorant thing I've heard. People change their minds all the time because of things they read. Why do you think books are so successful?
If you can't convince anyone with speech and written word it's because you either have no persuasive talent or what you're talking about is junk and no one is being fooled by it. Throwing yourself in traffic isn't going to make your message any more persuasive.
Try as you might, you're not going to convince me the sun rotates around the earth. You can call me a fascist. You can block rush hour traffic. But you're not going to change my mind.
Ben
Work Safe Porn
My web site now says stuff like "Fuck The Great Asshole Bush" and "Hitler 7 million, Bush Playing Catch Up" and "Bush Drops Bombs On Iraqi Families" and other terrible stuff like that. Those danged hackers. Not much I can do about it I guess.
I would take you much more seriously if you would learn to spell and use proper grammar.
Poor spelling and grammar *really* detract from your argument.
Unless it was your intention to make everyone who supports the war look like uneducated rednecks?
-- AC
Saved all us information security folks the grief of our non-technical managers asking if we are going to get hacked...
-Rob
Exactly when did it become cool for American's to hate their government? Ask the Iraq shiite muslims what they think of us going in there. And while I'm sure that the rest of the guys at the comic shop eat up your riveting political insight, the truth of the matter is your a hypocrit. You gorge yourself everyday on all the liberties you have in this country, knowing full well you'd wither and die in seconds if you had to live anywhere else, and you sit and bitch about something you know nothing about and couldn't comprehed in a million years even if the ritalin was working. If anything in America changed even one iota, 99% of you anti-war protestors would shit yourselfs and fall over dead. Before this all started, I wasn't even that patriotic. Thanks to comments like yours, now I am.
Oh..something interesting..when asked why Janeane Garafolo didn't protest Clinton's Iraq policies, she replied "It wasn't trendy then". I think you and her have quite a bit in common.
Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
He wasn't asking for them to justify...he was asking for them to explain the reasons the government has given for why we are at war.
The worm spreads by sending itself to e-mail addresses on an infected machine and tries to disable anti-virus and other security software and infect certain files on the hard disk.
you could have said
The worm infects Microsoft operating systems newer than version 3.1. It mails itself to e-mail addresses it finds, tries to disable anti-virus and other security software, and infects files.
Credit should be given where credit is due. Many of those who work on software that is not so full of holes resent the popular equations PC=Microsoft and PC=buggy/insecure. Also, users of newer Microsoft operating systems should be alarmed so that they might defend themselves. Not everyone has time to look up the Symantec warning.
It would also be nice to know what kinds of servers are being defaced.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
allah be praised! I have invented the zero.....
How many of these people really feel that strongly about the issue to hack a web page, and how many of them just needed to justify an exciting but illegal activity? If you have the knowledge, you're definitely tempted to break into some systems you shouldn't be touching, but those pesky morals are in the way... until you have a noble cause of some sort, here it is baby.
War protesters trashed the grounds around a northern New Mexico home owned by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, placing "No War" stickers and throwing children's clothes around the property, authorities say.
STORY
Whenever the offence inspires less horror than the punishment, the rigour of penal law is obliged to give way...
The website we run at work was defaced by "Hackers Against War", they exploited a bug in the software we use (php-nuke) to replace all the stories on the front page with an inane antiwar statement and comments in French about their feelings for some girl. The pathetic thing is that our site already had a lot of antiwar articles up on it, so if their true motives were to express an antiwar opinion they failed horribly in that they obscured substantive antiwar commentary with their drivel AND forced us to take the site offline while we fixed things.
While I'm sure there are some groups out there with genuine political motives, based on this and some other things I've seen I really believe that this is just scriptkiddies looking for something trendy to do.
All this does is make rogue superpowers / global leaders / world polic states / whatever look bad. It will not convert terrorists. It will just piss them off.
My site: Free Nature Pictures
Do you people understand good vs evil? I mean TRULY understand?
I don't believe some of you do. Think about it.
Hussein is pure evil. What are you going to do about it? If you don't support ending his evil, then you are as guilty as he is.
End of sermon.
After alldas.org and attrition.org took down their active defacement pages where are some current lists? I would like to see more of these for myself, I remember reading those daily long ago and saw many people use others pages for political speech.
But really, I just miss the script kiddie banter, im sorry I cant help it, it has always been my vice.
---- The real Slashdot is still here. You just have to browse at -1 to read the comments.
Trolling, and not well.
This is regurgitation of the current rants popular in some media channels. Not even well-considered.
Let's see: we, as a country with an obligation to many other countries, obtained a promise from a sovereign nation to stop doing what it was doing, which included murdering the people living inside that nation, attacking other nearby nations, and preparing weapons that include a weaponized version of a very potent carcinogen (as non-military as you can get - a weapon of sheer thuggery and malice).
Not saying we should have disregarded what our allies were saying, but we had a responsibility to act within a reasonable span of time. Our allies initially agreed with us, then grew reluctant to do anything but wait for some magical reversal of nature on the part of a dictator. Wasn't likely to happen based on the world's experience with him.
I'll stop troll-feeding now. Just had to get that out.
The war is going to cost at least $50 billion.
And the Dixie Chick retracted her statement about bush the very next day after she made it, because she's rather sell more albums that admit what she really believes.
Either that, or she never believed in the first place and she doesn't deserve any respect for speaking her mind.
spiegel.de is reporting one of the sites they got was the US National Security Agency's press server.
Yes my boy, I remember them Germans' Scientists defacing every British website they could find!
It was such a horrible sight...
not only did the US fail to take action against Pinochet, they um...created him in the first place. Just as they created Saddam.
---- oh no - it's the RIAA and their $100000000 fine. I'm gonna take that so seriously...
According to Internet Traffice Report [internettr...report.com], overall global traffic is down the last three days
You're mistaken. The "global traffic index" on ITR is a measure of response time, not "overall global traffic" like you claim. The number is lower meaning that the global index is down, i.e. things are going more slowly. If you would have bothered to look at the 2 graphs below the graph you reference you would have noticed the global response time has gone up and packet loss almost doubled when the war began.
Try reading the relevant portion of the FAQ
Enigma
When it sent the Army to shoot and trample with horses starving, out-of-work World War One veterans and their familes camped out in a hooverville in Washington, D.C.? When they lied to us about the Gulf of Tonkin incident? When they used unwitting military personnel for secret LSD experiments, leaving them with permanent brain damage?
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
...they get ignored. Sick ex-soldiers can't win wars or political popularity polls or elections. they'll spend millions of dollars to make humans into basically what passes for our current tech level cyborg war machines, then they might think about spending perhaps dozens of dollars or less once those machines aren't useful any longer. The nam vets were ignored,a lot of MIAs left to rot, the gulf war one vets were ignored, korean vets captured by the chinese were written off, and even in WW2 a lot of MIA went to what was ostensibly our "ally" at the time stalin's gulags, factories and mines and elsewhere, never to return, forgotten about.
Even though it was barely a decade ago, there are very few gulf war vets in this new war. There's a reason for that, google to find out. they weren't classed as "combat injuries" because it wasn't shrapnel or a bullet, but there were a lot of them, and quite a few aren't with us any more. For years as they laid in beds barfing their guts out and slowly fading they were told it was "psychological".
All that dust on the way to baghdad these guys are breathing now? Still full of radioactive particles from gulf war one and the DU rounds used. All those guys gonna get sick too, just watch, and uncle sugah will write them off, tissue paper humans to them, because they can always rah rah rah another large batch of them, especially when they tank the economy for the upper levels in the multinationals, and for thousands of young guys in podunk USA that reality becomes those seductive "service for your government" commercials that are pushed as "sign up bonus, guaranteed checks, paid for schooling, plus neato FPS video games" ads on the TV..
Couple months ago, bush signed a law severely limiting medical aid to vets 65 and older, right when they might really be needing it. That didn't get even a fraction of one percent of one days current "war" coverage, even though it was fairly important "news", but you see news like that isn't sexy and bloody and exciting whizzbang stuff. just like dragging out all that old news about who really set up and profited from saddam in the first place, where his WMD came from., the real names, the real bosses, the real companies involved. Ya, some french, some german, some this some that, but the bio stuff he's got came from new jersey, and the chems came from various places around the US. the reason why we know he's got WMD? Saw it written as a joke but it's true-we kept the receipts.
Rewarding the high level guys who cause the problems in the first place by electing them to office and allowing them to stay as top dogs in corporations and not sending them to prison instead is the same thing as hiring burglars and rapists and murders to be cops, firemen and EMT guys-you don't do that on a small scale, but for some reason in the US right now a lot of people seem to think it's OK to do that on a very large scale, just "forget about all that embarassing stuff in the past".
They spend the million bucks a soldier, yep. The reasons are they can make more money with less resources that way, the soldier part is just a piece of the machine, they are expendable and upgradeable in the next war.
It don't never change man. It's the bang for the buck. Notice the bang part and the buck part got nothing to do with that part in the middle,it's not even mentioned in that old phrase,there's no word in the phrase for it, the "human" part, that part is still cheap, always been cheap.
Thanks. I'm an idoit.
That makes much more sense. My mistaken reading of it was quite a surprise to me.
Help disrupt CNN! http://nowar.julez-edward.be refreshes CNN every 10 seconds., they're up to 242 hits per minute!
This has got to be the most intelligent Slashdot post I've ever read on this topic.
Everybody knows hackers don't live in real life anyway, so why should weapons of mass destruction, 12 years of negotiation and mass murders influence their reality? Kinda like most Hollywood stars...
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fuck yeah, I'll be back out in the streets tomorrow. NET STRIKE ON CNN PROTEST SWARMS
A blog about stuff.
For example, my Mom sent me a link to www.iraqinews.com, run by a local student. He was compiling information that was *not* just the sanitized stuff put out by the US government.
By the time I got to it, it was gone.
Then today, it was reporting that it had undergone a DOS attack, and would be back up as soon as they could shake free.
I think that it really is a weapons STRIKE, not TEST. It's too bad, really, because I think that we are going to win this war, and I see no reason for truth to be a casualty. Oh well.
Correct Horse Battery Staple: 72 bits of entropy. Enter "Correct H" into google. When it generates the phrase, that's
There's a lot of good reasons Vietnam protestors weren't dismissed as quickly as these protestors. The biggest one is probably the duration and deadliness of the war; if the current war in Iraq drags on for the next three years, with thousands of soldiers being killed, you can bet that the American public's support for the war will significantly decrease. Similarly, if you had told people in the 1960s that the Vietnam war could be taken care of in 6 months with fewer than 1,000 casualties, support for it would likely have increased significantly.
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Hmm, I thought that's what the current Iraqi government was taking from them... (according to expat Iraqi's and the ones we've "liberated" so far) ... oh wait, those are all "corporate media plants" arent they...
found these pages useful:
Iraq News - http://www.HavenWorks.com/world/iraq
& Search Iraq new
http://www.fuckfrance.com/
http://www.boycottf
http://www.frogweenies.com/
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http://www.fuckfrance.com/n ce.com/f rancesucks.com/
http://www.boycottfra
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Then today, it was reporting that it had undergone a DOS attack, and would be back up as soon as they could shake free.
That's gotta be embarrasing when someone using a *really* old MS OS can attack your website and tear it down.
Or did I read that wrong? ;)
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These website defacements aren't about protesting the war. They're about feeding the ego, to find any excuse to justify the FUN of defacing a website without having the bear the moral consequences. Truth is, these script kiddies would probably have done the same thing no matter what the controversial topic at hand was.
eTrade SUCKS
/Mikael
Greylisting is to SMTP as NAT is to IPv4
Saddam must of been a huge donkey pr0n consumer, this is the only rational explantation.
Donkey Pron, I remember that game! That's the one with the little fat naked Italian running around the construction site trying to rescue his ape from a giant woman throwing barrels at him, right? Wasn't it originally supposed to be called Monkey Pron, but the first 100 machines got mislabelled?
Like what I said? You might like my music
/Mikael
Greylisting is to SMTP as NAT is to IPv4
HEAR ME OUT I'm not saying that we should all just hold hands and give peace a chance. I'm saying that this time there could have been other options, and that as charter members of the UN, we've just done something stupid, glabally speaking, which will affect our shot at diplomacy for years to come. I support our troops. I do not support this war.
"I'd say 'Have a good time,' but arson is still illegal.
I favor the formation of a coalition of the willing to carry out a regime change.
Military force, however, should only be used as a last resort.
give me a
had undergone a DOS attack
How do they know it wasn't just high traffic? If even your mom is forwarding the link, then it seems likely that the link was getting passed around to a lot of people.
From: http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030321-02362 7-5923r
A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present. Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality." Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head."
In the UK anti-war protesters have been defacing public building by spay-painting outlines resembling toy soliders.
HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:15:45 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Win32)
Connection: close
Transfer-Encoding: chunked
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Beers Steers and Queers
or this from Big Black;
Texas
This is Texas
This is redneck
This is Lone Star
This is wetback
I am Texas, I am Texas, I am Texas, I am Texas
This is Texas
This is badass
This is chain-gang
This is mustache
I am Texas, I am Texas, I am Texas, I am Texas
I am Texas, I am Texas, I am Texas, I am Texas
Didn't they sort of do that in Summer School?
I think one of the guys wrote a letter complaining that his sunglasses had broken, and I don't remember what the rest of 'em wrote about.
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
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