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ReplayTV May Drop "Commercial Advance"

An anonymous reader writes "Wired News is reporting that the new owners of ReplayTV are considering dropping the Commercial Advance and Send Show options features." I had bad luck with that function chopping out bits of show anyway. Between that and the 30 second skip function, I'm surprised ReplayTV has lasted this long!

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  1. Another crippled product by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've thought of Tivo and Replay TV in the past, but as time goes on the companies degrade their products by getting rid of useful features like this.

    How feasable is it to do something as good, but without the crippling, on a computer with a large hard disk and good video card?

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    1. Re:Another crippled product by TrueBuckeye · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I love my RTV, and I'd still buy another even if they stripped out CA. As long as I can still pull the shows off to my pc and burn them to DVD, I'll use it. BUT, if they keep taking out these features, then they are removing the exact thing which makes them different (superior?) to Tivo. I hope D&M know what they are doing...other than avoiding lawsuits.

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    2. Re:Another crippled product by bathmatt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have both soln's a Tivo and a linux box running Freevo. They are really different and have their own lackings. I mainly watch movies and listen to audio on freevo and use Tivo are archived TV. It brings more to the table with its season pass manager stuff and it suggestions and whatnot. Plus, it ia a cleaner solution. However, I think when my Tivo 1 dies I am hoping that Freevo and projects like it (xbox PVR for example) will be ready for primetime and have better predictive recording.

    3. Re:Another crippled product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that tough at all. The open source product everyone's tinkering with scrapes the TVGuide site. Be a man. Buy the ATI 9700 Pro. Lifetime access to the raw data for life. Why scrape when you can get the real data?

    4. Re:Another crippled product by wherley · · Score: 4, Informative

      you mean like this?

    5. Re:Another crippled product by mac123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I must be a bit confused. Which features has Tivo removed from my system?

      I can't think of one.

    6. Re:Another crippled product by wealthychef · · Score: 3, Interesting

      None. But as a longtime TiVo subscriber, I'm perturbed more by the total absence of anything new for years now. TiVo Series 2? they can cram it. I can think of dozens of new features I'd like to see in terms of search and playback, which they could implement in their Series 1 and 2 receivers. What the hell? This product seems dead in the water.

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    7. Re:Another crippled product by mac123 · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you are a longtime serier 1 owner, you also would know that the memory/cpu have really been stretched to the limit.

      They've already thrown VBR, and additional wishlist capabilities (as well as others).

      Unfortunately, they haven't found a way to upgrade the 33Mhz Series 1 chip or the 32MB or Series 1 RAM over a phoneline :-)

    8. Re:Another crippled product by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      I just finished my Toolbox PC. It's a mini-itx m10000 MB, HDD, DVD and little emachine PS built into a plastic toolbox. An ATI TV Wonder VE card makes it into a portable PVR, among other things (DVD player, MP3 player, DVD ripper, mame box, etc.).

      So far, it works great. I am still trying out all the features on the ATI card. I used it to record Enterprise the other night and it came out very nice.

    9. Re:Another crippled product by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Sort by Expiration Date! That went away with version 4.0.

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    10. Re:Another crippled product by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      As long as I can still pull the shows off to my pc and burn them to DVD, I'll use it. BUT, if they keep taking out these features, then they are removing the exact thing which makes them different (superior?) to Tivo.

      That's funny...I'd swear I've been ripping TiVo video for the past couple of years. It took a hack to do that, but ReplayTV's ability to send video to another TV isn't that much different than TiVo's Home Media Option. You can rip video because someone made some software that makes a computer look like a ReplayTV (which sounds like a possible approach to take to enable ripping from a Series 2 TiVo, since they still haven't been cracked yet).

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    11. Re:Another crippled product by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      Have you ever asked TiVo to implement them via suggestion or customer survice comments/surveys?
      Seriously, the best way to get the features you want is to ask for them and not wait for TiVo to think about them.

      On another note, as someone who may try and build a commercial product similar to TiVO, I'd like to know what are these dozens of features that you would love to have?

      bkr

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    12. Re:Another crippled product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually, the latest major software release eliminates the backdoor that enables you to login to the sh prompt -- it is, after all, running linux. That's HUGE, as it eliminates a lot of the cool hacks that have come out over the years and will slow the development of new hacks.

      As a former Series1 owner and current Series2 owner, I agree that the progress is too slow. But when they do implement a new feature, they do at least make it wife-friendly (from my perspective).

    13. Re:Another crippled product by tgibbs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Its unfortunate that some owners of the Tivo series 1 product, despite having seen it enhanced by numerous feature that it did not have when they bought it, are upset that TiVo is now focused on enhancements to the new Series II platform. TiVo even offered to let people who moved up to series II transfer their lifetime service contracts to the new machine (service contracts normally are asscociated with the particular unit). But some apparently chose to hold onto their old systems, and now are griping that they aren't receiving some of the cool new features like streaming of music and photos from PCs. My suspicion is some Series I owners chose not to upgrade because the old units are far more easily "hackable." That's fine, but they shouldn't complain when the new system starts to get enhancements that aren't shared with the old one.

    14. Re:Another crippled product by evilviper · · Score: 2, Informative
      How feasable is it to do something as good, but without the crippling, on a computer with a large hard disk and good video card?

      Possible, but damn difficult. Getting everything going and working together is possible, but it takes a LOT of work.

      I'm still fairly early in the process, but it looks like I'm going to have to change keymapping in just about every application to get them to work with my remote, without a keyboard and without use of a mouse. PC applications just aren't setup that way.

      It's possible that a Freevo-like approach will work, but Freevo itself doesn't have any sort of a plugin system, so it's all or nothing... Freevo doesn't have everything that you would want, so a lot of coding needs to go into it still. It might be easier to start from scratch than try to adapt Freevo to do everything (editing, transcoding, burning, transfering, network functions, etc).

      Not sure at this point, I'm still working on it. But in any case, it's very difficult to get a machine working like a Tivo unless you want the exact features, and only the features that MythTV or Freevo have, and are capable enough to trawl through the cryptic documents often needed to setup the hardware (video capture, remote, video+TV-out, etc.) and can solve all the problems that are sure to come up in the process.
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    15. Re:Another crippled product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sometimes I wonder if the Tivo business plan was to get bought out and submarined by a media corp all along.

    16. Re:Another crippled product by RatBastard · · Score: 1

      Legal preasure is a bitch. And it's not like the commercial advance function worked very well in the first place. I turned it off after an hour because it fires off in the middle of some TV shows when it shouldn't. I just hit the 30-second skip on the remote.

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    17. Re:Another crippled product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DTV boxes lost the ability to use USB nics to call home. They must use the phone line as of the last update.

      That was removed.

      tk

    18. Re:Another crippled product by John3 · · Score: 1

      Tivo combined with DirectTV and a dual LNB is well worth the money. I haven't seen Tivo drop any features in the year that I've had the system...in fact they added the dual-tuner record capability. That allows you to watch a saved program while the system is taping two other programs.

      I think my favorite thing to do is browse the Fox News lineup and thumbs-down all their programming.

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    19. Re:Another crippled product by true_majik · · Score: 1
      ...ReplayTV's ability to send video to another TV isn't that much different than TiVo's Home Media Option.

      You mean, TiVo's Home Media Option isn't that much different than Replay's feature. From TiVo's Home Media Option Page you see that it consists of:
      1) Digital Music
      2) Remote Scheduling
      3) Digital Photos
      4) Multi-Room Viewing

      Sure, (1) isn't part of ReplayTV, but the rest are, and its free, whereas TiVo charges an additional fee for these features. And it's been around, Home Media Option only became avaliable not too long ago.

      I would undoubtedly buy another ReplayTV unit regardless of the outcome of the Commercial Avance Feature. Plus, I've read posts from many ReplayTV users who own TiVos _AS WELL_ and praise ReplayTV's for their superior video encoding. And lets not get into TiVo's daunting menu's.

      -rtv owner

    20. Re:Another crippled product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would have to be a complete fucking moron to think that TiVo's menus are "daunting."

    21. Re:Another crippled product by Ko5mo · · Score: 1

      Sort by Expiration Date was just a hidden giveme. You won't find that feature in any Tivo literature. How can you lose something that you were never given?

    22. Re:Another crippled product by ottawanker · · Score: 1

      cool sig! i completely agree.

    23. Re:Another crippled product by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Well, you don't need a 9700... Even the TV Wonder VE comes with the software to access the guide. Problem #1 is that it only works on Windows (it's obvious that Linux works better for things like this). Problem #1 is that ATI's software all-around SUCKS, and you'll be sure to enjoy having the guide crash, along with any shows currenly being recorded, when you choose some option.

      Not exactly a great solution.

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  2. well yeah.. by mschoolbus · · Score: 1

    Well honestly how can you really tell if it is going into a commercial anyways? Its not like the screen doesn't change at all within a show on TV anyways...

    1. Re:well yeah.. by TrekkieGod · · Score: 3, Informative

      I used to wonder the same thing, until a friend of mine who is messing around with mythtv pointed it out to me (and he's going to be pissed he didn't get to post this):

      There are the screen changes, as you mentioned

      Commercials are usually a set length: 30 seconds, 1 minute, per ad

      Sometimes you get the network logo when the show comes back on

      I think there are other ways...sc00p, post 'em up.

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    2. Re:well yeah.. by L7_ · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not sure, but you might be able to tell from the sound level difference.

    3. Re:well yeah.. by wolfb · · Score: 1
      I think there are other ways...sc00p, post 'em up.



      Commercials are typically played with higher volume than the program they're interrupting...

    4. Re:well yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some stations use encoding on the first five scanlines to indicate show information, including commercials. There are few devices that will read this right off and give it to yout, though I've had a couple of VCRs that will skip commercials on videotapes. Macrovision works in a similar way, with a signal sent on the 22nd or 23rd scanline, in a way that you don't notice watching the tape.

    5. Re:well yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe it works by detected blanking frames in the video stream...which are normally present for helping the networks inset commericals. At least that what the web sites say. And it doesn't work all the time...but it does work fairly well. I certainly get to watch more show without commericals than with on my box.

    6. Re:well yeah.. by Taldo · · Score: 1
      In most cases you can.... in general commercials are sent at a noticeably higher volume. Can't have people sleeping through the ads now can we? :P

      I hate watching TV with my finger on the volume button waiting for the commercials.

    7. Re:well yeah.. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      In the UK, you get an indicator in the top right hand corner of the picture indicating that the local stations should prepare to insert their adverts (adverts are handled locally, while programming is centralised, more or less). When the flashing black and white quarter circle at the top right corner stops, then there is usually a frozen frame or short animation before cutting to commercials. This still or short sequence is replayed just before the program continues, and so if recorded could be searched for. It may actually be easier to do the search in the quantized stream, reducing the processing load.

      On the other hand, I've never actually tried this, and am just thinking out loud...

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    8. Re:well yeah.. by TheLittleJetson · · Score: 1

      i read a about an algorithm for this... its based on full and complete fades to black (which occur between commercials & shows), and the fact that every commercial is an exact multiple of 5.00 seconds (usualy 30.00)... written properly, such an algorithm can be pretty accurate (like 95% or better?). but sometimes when the show itself does a fade, it will trigger the advance... however, given that annoyance -- its quite rare, and it does make the replayTV viewing experience superior to the tivo imho (i hate reachin for the remote... yes, im a lazy bastard.)

    9. Re:well yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's illegal. But they play with the audio to be in compliance.

    10. Re:well yeah.. by beerman2k · · Score: 1
      There's a split second of black screen that networks place between the broadcast show and the comericial sequence.

      My current VCR, which I've had for about 4 years now, has a feature where it identifies these locations and automagically fast forwards when the commericals come on. The feature is really nice, but has a few downsides, mainly it doesn't always identify the beginning and end of the comericial sequence correctly and I have to fast forward manually or worse, I have to stop it manually and rewind becuase it fast forwarded too far.

    11. Re:well yeah.. by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      By most accounts, the ReplayTV commercial skip never was all that reliable. TiVo seems to have been a lot more clever about it. They provide only a 30 s skip (which works pretty well because commercials are usually 30 s or 1 minute), and made that an "unsupported" feature (i.e. they've kept it in all revisions, but you have to enter a "code" to turn it on). This seems to have protected them from the kind legal difficulties that led to the downfall of ReplayTV

    12. Re:well yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That is a myth. Radio/TV engineers keep the volume the same. Look on the net and you'll find discussion.

      Sometimes the commercial seems louder, if the TV show doesn't have people running around yelling as loudly as the announcer is saying "SALE! SALE!".

    13. Re:well yeah.. by darkith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Same in North America.

      A TV which does not obscure the overscan area will show the flashing white square in the top left.

      IIRC, it flashes slowly for a few seconds 30 s before break, starts flashing rapidly 5 or 10 before, and goes solid during the above mentioned transition to the still frame.

      Course, I haven't seen it recently on modern TVs which cover the overscan area well...perhaps it's changed...

    14. Re:well yeah.. by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1
      Well honestly how can you really tell if it is going into a commercial anyways? Its not like the screen doesn't change at all within a show on TV anyways...

      Congress should pass a law that specifies stations must put in a clearly defined cut pattern between television programs and the commercials. Without such a pattern I'm left to wonder sometimes whether what I'm watching is a commercial or the actual program. Please Congress, pass a law to demand consumers be protected against being duped into watching parts of the program that are actually a commercial!!! Oh yea, make it something that's standard and easy to recognize with a PVR. Thanks.

    15. Re:well yeah.. by patchmaster · · Score: 1

      I think you're listening to too many Tivo owners. The ReplayTV CA works very well in most situations. It does have a bit of a problem with single commercials that run longer than 60 seconds, but those are pretty rare. When it fails to work properly, you simply have to watch a bit of commercial.

      ReplayTV has also always had a manual 27s skip feature that's fully supported and has a dedicated button on the remote. I don't think the 30s advance, even formal support of it, is going to get any PVR manufacturer in any legal trouble.

      I strongly suspect even the ReplayTV CA wouldn't have caused any trouble if news reports about it hadn't misreported how it works in combination with the sharing feature. CA happens strictly on playback. The commercials are still in the recorded show, and they are shared along with the rest of the show when you send the show to a friend. The big uproar about CA seemed to be due to the misconception that the commercials are eliminated when the show is recorded and the shared version has no commercials. This is completely untrue. The ReplayTV CA is fundamentally no different than the CA feature available on VCRs for years. The ReplayTV version just works better due to the near-instantaneous nature of disk access.

    16. Re:well yeah.. by tgibbs · · Score: 1
      I think you're listening to too many Tivo owners.
      No, I'm listening to ReplayTV owners. The many comments in this thread from ReplayTV owners who find it more trouble than it's worth are pretty representative of what I've heard.
      ReplayTV has also always had a manual 27s skip feature that's fully supported and has a dedicated button on the remote. I don't think the 30s advance, even formal support of it, is going to get any PVR manufacturer in any legal trouble.
      So with TiVo, you enter the code once and the rarely used skip-to-end button becomes a dedicated 30s skip button. Not much of a difference. I doubt if it would get them in legal trouble, but I expect that it helps them maintain a good relationship with the networks.
      I strongly suspect even the ReplayTV CA wouldn't have caused any trouble if news reports about it hadn't misreported how it works in combination with the sharing feature. CA happens strictly on playback. The commercials are still in the recorded show, and they are shared along with the rest of the show when you send the show to a friend
      I never heard anybody suggest that the commercials were physically removed, and it never even occurred to me that that might be the case. I'm not sure why the networks would care what stage of the process the commercial-skip occurs.
  3. Well, by Omkar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They're eliminating some of their main selling points, aren't they?

    1. Re:Well, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and elimintating their main suing-by-the-pigopolists points too. As a replaytv owner, I can say that I will not buy another PVR that does not have commercial advance, nor will I buy another one that prevents me from easily extracting the recorded shows to my PC. I use both of those features of my Replay extensively. Without them, I might as well use a home-grown/open-source system on a PC.

  4. Silly. by grub · · Score: 2, Insightful


    They sell you these products with the promise of watching "TV Your Way" (or whatever their silly tagline was) and pull stunts like this. It's bait-and-switch.

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    1. Re:Silly. by jat850 · · Score: 1

      I'm not entirely sure that's what happened in this instance. SonicBlue used to own ReplayTV, and they fought (with the EFF) against removing these features.

      Then SonicBlue went bankrupt and were purchased by a Japanese company mentioned in the article, and it seems as though this new company is bending to the pressure.

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    2. Re:Silly. by fobbman · · Score: 1

      No it's not. It's a list of features on the side of the box that anyone can read and figure out for themselves whether it lets them watch TV their way. Bait and switch is "an illegal tactic in which a seller advertises a product with the intention of persuading customers to purchase a more expensive product".

      A company has the right to add and remove features from their products as they see fit. A consumer has the right to not buy those products based on whether that feature set is one that they feel is what they are looking for at the price that they are willing to spend.

    3. Re:Silly. by cybermace5 · · Score: 1

      We'll ALWAYS find a way to avoid commercials! Since the technology approach has failed us, how about a chemical approach?

      When a commercial block occurs, grab your trusty hypodermic needle and go into a 2-minute coma.

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    4. Re:Silly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When a commercial block occurs, grab your trusty hypodermic needle and go into a 2-minute coma.

      Perfect, sounds like another great opportunity for date rape.

  5. ReplayTV Yo-Yo by johnkoer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    About 3 months ago I was really considering buying a ReplayTV, but with the whole bankruptcy thing swirling around I became a bit anxious. I have been speaking with people who currently own a Replay and they said their service is still great, so I was starting to come back around. This whole thing has just sent me back towards the Tivo way. I would love to get a Tivo, but I do not have a phone line in my house (cell phone is the only phone I need). Hopefully I can find a Tivo that will not require a phone line, and I will be all over it.

    1. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the TiVo series 2 has a USB port that allows you to plug in a wired or wireless ethernet transceiver (they recommend only 2 specific linksys models) and download program information over the 'net.

      with that installed, (and for an additional $99--which is a mild crock of shit) you can also stream A/V files from computers on your LAN to the TiVo.

    2. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by TBone · · Score: 4, Informative

      The V4 software for Tivo supports the USB Ethernet cards. The one I just bought was V3 software, so I had a phone cord running across the house for 3 or 4 days until it got the V4 download. And I bought a Replay over Tivo, just because of their stand against the Media companies...but the product just doesn't compare. Changing channels is ass-slow, there's no multi-user guide/preference setup, nothign other than the cool sharing feature, which is likely going away. Go for the Tivo, you'll be ahppier.

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    3. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, the new TiVo kernel (4.0+) finally makes use of the USB ports in the back. You can connect either a Wireless or Wired Ethernet device (http://customersupport.tivo.com/tivoknowbase/root /public/tv2006.htm?) and you are good to go. I do this with my TiVo and wouldn't go back to regular TV, ever.

    4. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can slap a network card in your TIVO and with a small hack available on the net you can update via broadband.

    5. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Series2 standalone TiVos allow ethernet connectivity through the USB port with a wired or wireless adapter. Series2 DirecTV with TiVo Service units (DirecTiVos) don't have this ability yet (nor Home Media Option features).

      Series1 hardware, both standalone and DirecTiVos, can have a Turbonet card installed which provides ethernet access, but without HMO features. Plus, Series1 hardware is more hackable than Series2, allowing you to do a lot more with your TiVo, like extract closed captions to files for your own transcripts, run a web server, telnet into your TiVo, and even extract and insert digital video files.

    6. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 4, Informative

      TiVo had built-in support for USB ethernet well before Version 4 came out...version 4 of the software just added an "official" interface menu where you can pick static IP/DHCP.

      I bought my Series 2 last year when they were still at version 3. All you had to do was plug in the USB ethernet adapter and set the dialing prefix to #401. My TiVo has *never* touched a phone line - it's been ethernet only since day 1.

    7. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I see a lot of posts about people complaining that PVRs don't do exactly what they want them to (I'm one of them, I guess). Is anyone interesed in putting together a prototype design and looking for some funding to make one that actually does exactly what we all know a PVR should do?

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    8. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by Zathrus · · Score: 2, Informative

      You don't need a phone line with TiVo -- if you buy a Series2 box (which is all you can get new) then you can connect a USB to ethernet dongle to it and use it for everything -- including the initial setup call. All you have to do is plug in the dongle and set the phone prefix to ",#401" (the pause key does commas).

      Current units are still shipping with 3.x, so if you want to use a wireless network you're SOL until it self-updates to 4.0 (well, you can use a USB->ethernet dongle plus a wireless bridge).

      Note, however, that the DirecTiVo's are not under TiVo's control, but DirecTV's. DirecTV has seen fit to disable the USB ports on all models, for no given reason. So none of the above applies if you have DirecTV and want to use a DirecTiVo (of course, if you have DirecTV you have to have a phone line anyway...)

    9. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My tivo doesn't require a phone line... you have to void your warranty and add a network card, but it's incredibly simple to do.

    10. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 2, Informative

      actually, any tivo supports network, do a search on google for Turbonet or Turbo Net and Tivo. The Tivo system boards (all of them, or atleast the first series does), have the header to hook up a network card, plug it in, and boot the system, and it works (they compiled eth support into the kernel that is distributed as part of tivo). Then you just change the dial out number to some wierd code (I forgot off the top of my head), and the tivo will use network to pull down info. Although, since mine is hooked to the phone line anyways, I am not sure if it sends the data it sends over the network or not.

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    11. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by OMEGA+Power · · Score: 1

      Does this apply to all TiVos or only Series 2. I have a Sony SVR-2000 (Series 1) and would love to plug it into my network insted of the phone is this possible?

    12. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by orcus · · Score: 1

      You need one of these: Turbonet ethernet adapters. I bought one as soon as I got my SVR-2000 and have been using it ever since.

      I also recommend their harddrive brackets - add another harddrive while you have the case open....

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    13. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by BonrHanzon · · Score: 1

      If you're no longer worried about the bankruptcy thing, then why not still consider a replaytv? Because they might, in the future, remove a feature that Tivo doesn't even have today? If you have a broadband ethernet connection, then you can get a Replay. No warranty-voiding hacks required (as it would be for a series 1 Tivo).

    14. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      My DirecTV/TiVo has no phone line plugged in and it works fine. It bugs you a few times a day but it still works. I can't order pay-per-view with the remote, however.

    15. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

      btw, the 3.x ,#401 trick does not work with wireless USB dongles. At least not the recommended WUSB11 from Linksys.

      However, once 4.0 is on it works flawlessly and FAST. And, the HoMO is fantastic, particularly if you run OS X.

      It's just so splendid it makes me feel all warm and contented.

    16. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

      with that installed, (and for an additional $99--which is a mild crock of shit)

      Considering that an additional piece of hardware to handle the streaming of photos and videos would cost more and do less, it's actually a pretty good deal.

      Also, consider that you don't have to buy a new model with this built in, that they're supporting the 'older' S2 boxes (the S1s don't have the oomph to handle this stuff with its little worm of a CPU), I wouldn't begrudge them the $99.

      (oh, and that's no dis on the slimp3, by all means if you don't have a TV hooked to your stereo or want something elegant it's perfectly cool. I particularly like the VFD. It's just that if you already have a tivo hooked into your system, HoMO's a better option.)

      PS: the lack of digital audio in/out on TiVo is a bit disappointing, but given the limited audience (people with digital cable, SDTV OTA or satellite with spdif connectors on their converter) it's not surprising. We'll probably see it on a series 3 or 4, with DVI or component video in/outs.

      PPS: Kramer sells an amplified S-video splitter, for those of you who want a clean dual-hookup from your S-video source into your TV/receiver AND Tivo, so you can watch the converter out via your receivers DBS in using digital audio (5.1 surround on many channels at various times, zero analog hiss) while giving Tivo a S-video feed and the analog sound-outs on the converter. IIRC it's the model PT-102S.

    17. Re:ReplayTV Yo-Yo by TBone · · Score: 1

      The problem with "putting together...one that actually does what we all know a PVR should do" is that what we all know they should do runs afoul of groups like Hollywood and MPAA/RIAA. If I had my say, a PVR would do:

      • Multiple guide setups. Me, Wife, Kids, all channels, Movie channels, sport channels. At least 8 customizable guides, and easily switchable without having to dig through the menus. DishPVR had this part right.
      • Season Pass type recording. Scan the guide, pattern match the show titles, and record all of those. Tivo has this right, but I like the feature where they pop the Thumbs Up button on commercials that it recognizez, and offers to Season Pass a show directly from the commercial.
      • Time skip. I don't care if it's 30 seconds, or 15 seconds, or 2 minutes, but I miss this feature the most from DishPVR.
      • Dump recordings to (Insert device here). Tivo will control yout VCR to archive stuff onto. What would be really nice is if it would use the serial port to connect to your computer, and burn to DVD or VCD from the video feed. According to the Tivo specs I've seen, there's at least 1 unused TTY port in the V2 boxes, so you wouldn't even have to give up your TTY/DSS link to do this. Or for that matter....
      • DVD-RW. If not as a built-in, then as an external accessory. I don't care if I can play back on the DVD, but DVD's are getting to the point that they are like VCR's....many many people have one. Let me dump video directly to DVD.
      • Multiple guide formats. Tivo's extended view per channel is OK, but Dish/Replay's full-grid is, too. It's not like 60 gig HD's are that expensive, and how much code does it really take to program bothformats in and make them selectable?
      • Ethernet. It took too damn long for Tivo to get it, and DishPVR doesn't have Ether at all. While we're at it, WTF do I still have to use a phoneline to set up PPV movies? Put a damn Ether jack on the DSS boxes so I can connect to your billing servers directly and order the movie without having to run a phone line through my attic and into the living room.
      • "Hackable". So you only sell models with 20G hard drives, make the tools to do drive upgrades the right way available. I can put a new hard drive in my computer without voiding the warranty, why can't I do the same thing in other devices that use mass storage.
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  6. Why oh why... by sk3tch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't understand why ReplayTV would even consider removing those features, especially seeing as those are two of the HUGE advantages it has over its (winning) competitor Tivo.

    Sure, Tivo has the 30 second skip if you have the right model and you enter in the Easter Egg, but most people don't surf around for Easter Eggs and therefore aren't aware of it (plus it isn't advertised as a feature for drones shopping at Best Buy, etc.).

    They already declared bankruptcy and were bought out by another company, so somehow by eliminating some of its most compelling features they are going to rise to the top?

    1. Re:Why oh why... by Albert+Pussyjuice · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, did you read the article? Obviously the new owners of ReplayTV feel that their inclusion of these features helped to incite some anger within major media companies and, because of this, created friction for ReplayTV.

      "Hollingsworth added that ReplayTV models selling today still include Commercial Advance and Send Show options, but the company has not made up its mind about including those features in future products.

      Two years ago when ReplayTV introduced its 4000 series of digital recorders, those services upset major media players such as Walt Disney (DIS), Viacom (VIA) and the TV networks, which filed lawsuits against Sonicblue claiming that ReplayTV violated copyright laws and robbed them of ad revenue."

      It's a very bad idea for a company to upset the big boys and this may have been part of the reason that ReplayTV hit the ground hard. So by eliminating these features, you get more support from companies such as Disney and Viacom.
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    2. Re:Why oh why... by Azathoth!EDC · · Score: 1

      In the hopes that they will become more 'network friendly', and thus, better product positioning from said networks.

    3. Re:Why oh why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a very bad idea for a company to upset the big boys and this may have been part of the reason that ReplayTV hit the ground hard. So by eliminating these features, you get more support from companies such as Disney and Viacom.

      And less support from the actual consumers, who as we all know, mean exactly dick to most companies.

      No, I'm sorry, this is yet another in a long series of examples of bad companies making bone headed decisions.

    4. Re:Why oh why... by Captain+Morgan · · Score: 1
      It's a very bad idea for a company to upset the big boys and this may have been part of the reason that ReplayTV hit the ground hard. So by eliminating these features, you get more support from companies such as Disney and Viacom.

      What's the next step in keeping them "happy"? Forcing you to watch shows from Time Warner/Disney/Viacom? Prevent you from recording shows they don't want recorded?

      Who cares if they aren't happy? Their only concern is for their bottom line, they couldn't care less about society and yet society is who gives them the right to carry on business. Capitalism is a reasonable way of assigning wealth based on individuals being able to perform valuable work for others. Like anything it needs to be kept in line and appeasing companies because they are somehow offended that you skip their commercials is a load of crap.

      Chris

    5. Re:Why oh why... by ProtonMotiveForce · · Score: 1

      Umm, wrong? The 30 second skip isn't that useful, nor is commercial skip. Neither works all that well.

      Tivo has it right - you just hit FF three times, wait a few sconds, and hit play. Commercials skipped within about 3 seconds.

    6. Re:Why oh why... by thammoud · · Score: 1

      You are wrong. I own a RT and the 30 second skip feature, well, skips 30 seconds just as advertised. As far as the commercial skip, it works over 90% of the time.

      Do you even own a RT ?

      TH

    7. Re:Why oh why... by dtfarmer · · Score: 1

      Umm, wrong? The 30 second skip isn't that useful, nor is commercial skip. Neither works all that well.

      play with them a while and you'll see they are better than you realize - of course you'd have to dump your tivo and buy a replay tv to do that, right?

      Tivo has it right - you just hit FF three times, wait a few sconds, and hit play. Commercials skipped within about 3 seconds.

      yeah, cause Replay TV doesn't have 20x fast forward... oh, wait...

    8. Re:Why oh why... by rtechie · · Score: 1

      It's a very bad idea for a company to upset the big boys and this may have been part of the reason that ReplayTV hit the ground hard. So by eliminating these features, you get more support from companies such as Disney and Viacom.

      It's not bad for an electronics company to upset the "big boys" of media, why should it be? There are plenty of Korean manufacturers getting rich making region-free DVD players. From a pragmatic standpoint, the interests of ReplayTV customers are the exact opposite from that of media and the media aren't paying the bills.

      Let's think back to Diamond Multimedia and the famous Rio case: You may remember that the RIAA and friends failed in a lawsuit to stop production of the Rio, and by extension, ALL MP3 players. Since the ReplayTV case has extremely similar merits, based on the precedent of the Rio case SonicBlue seemed poised to win the case. Ironically enough, they weren't able to finish up the ReplayTV lawsuit because of stiff competition in the MP3 player market (a market that Diamond Multimedia effectively created).

      I strongly suspect that this is just a rumor. Denon/Marantz is a very "customer oriented" business, they certainly knew about these features of the ReplayTV product before purchasing the company, and I would be very suprised if they alienated the ReplayTV customer base (which is likely to want a high-end, expensive, feature-laden unit consistent with the Marantz image) when they have little to gain in doing so.

  7. Before the flames begin. by Mononoke · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You do know that advertising is what pays for TV programming, broadcasting, etc., in the USofA, don't you?

    Would you rather have cat^H^H^HTV detector vans running around?

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    1. Re:Before the flames begin. by Azathoth!EDC · · Score: 1

      Funny, I thought that's what I paid for on my monthly bill.

      I certainly wouldn't pay to have phone service where I *also* had to listen to advertisements.

    2. Re:Before the flames begin. by sporty · · Score: 1

      I'd try and equate it to something, but analogies suck.

      You pay the cable company for the connection to them and using them.

      You inadvertantly pay for commercials by watching them, which fund shows as well.

      Now mind you, money doesn't always flow like this, i.e. PBS or PPV easily, but that's how things work.

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    3. Re:Before the flames begin. by Albert+Pussyjuice · · Score: 1
      Your monthly bill pays for some of the service - in order for everyone in the industry to make a tidy profit - commercials are included in order to make a bit more. The reason that HBO, Showtime, and Cinemax are premium channels is because there are no commercials. Therefore, HBO, Cinemax, and the like are not making any money from commercials and therefore charge the cable company more for the feed. You pay for part of the cost in your monthly bill and another portion of it is paid by the commercials that you are agreeing to have pumped into your home.

      And there is no reason you have to watch commercials; turn the television off whenever a commercial comes on. Sure, you might miss some of the show but you won't see commercials.

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    4. Re:Before the flames begin. by gpinzone · · Score: 1

      Money didn't "flow" like that at all when cable was in its infancy. One of the selling points was that aside from the local stations, none of the other channels had commercials because you were already paying for it. What channel operators did was to take advantage and "double dip" without passing the savings onto the consumer. Yes, channels like Nickeloden are on basic cable because they're cheaper than HBO to the cable company, but I'd rather have no commercials and pay per channel for the ones I want rather than be forced to flip through 50 spanish-only and home shopping stations I'll never watch.

    5. Re:Before the flames begin. by wealthychef · · Score: 1

      You would if it was the only way you could get telecommunications service.

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    6. Re:Before the flames begin. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like the guy who says, "I don't know why websites have banner ads or charge a subscription. Isn't that what I pay for already when I pay my ISP every month?"

      Ummm, no.

    7. Re:Before the flames begin. by fiddlesticks · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > You do know that advertising is what pays for TV programming, broadcasting, etc., in the USofA, don't you?

      nope. consumers pay for broadcasting in the usa with the extra cost of their consumer goods due to the spend on advertising. The adverts don't come for free, and the companies advertising the goods pass that cost on to the consumer.

      in countries with a TV licence, the cost is yearly/ monthly/ not-optional, but it costs *less* (unless you buy *no* consumer goods during the year.)

      IF FMCG companies weren't spending the money on adverstising, your goods would be cheaper, and your TV viewing would be uninterrupted by ads.

    8. Re:Before the flames begin. by fobbman · · Score: 1

      They don't have to make me watch commercials. Are they going to also make sure that I don't get up during those commercials to get more food & drink, use the restroom, or surf the other channels until my show comes back on?

      The commercials are there for people who want to watch them, plain and simple.

    9. Re:Before the flames begin. by kwerle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny how capitalism works. If enough folks skipped ads (not bloody likely), shows/networks would find another way to get funding. Or they would die. Either way is just fine.

    10. Re:Before the flames begin. by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      No, I would rather pay for all of my television via a subscription service a la HBO (+ small maintenance fee to cable/sat co) and have commercial-free programming. Think packages of channels (ie Discovery Network; A&E Network: A&E, History, Biography; Disney Network: ABC, ESPN, Disney, etc.) For those that aren't aware, HBO and other premium services actually give you 7 channels for one price now.

      Now, I will have more say over what I watch because I will be the customer to the TV network and not some advertiser.

    11. Re:Before the flames begin. by killmenow · · Score: 1

      turn the television off whenever a commercial comes on.

      Just mute it. It's very effective. You still get to look at the pretty moving pictures but you can't hear the annoying pitch. It's not perfect, but TV advertising is WAY less effective without sound.

    12. Re:Before the flames begin. by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You do know that advertising is what pays for TV programming, broadcasting, etc., in the USofA, don't you? Would you rather have cat^H^H^HTV detector vans running around?

      Not really, but I don't think that's necessary. Look at HBO's model, or any other specialzied subscription-based channel.

      I've been dying to select exactly the cable channels I want for years. It seems vastly preferable - to me, anyways - to pay $40/month for 8-12 channels that I actually like, through and through. Of course the media giants are all-too aware of this; after all, they watch TV too. You can't shovel your pap in with the good stuff if people have the power to only receive the good stuff, and filter out the pap.

      As for Replay... these companies have got to stop with the fucking bait-and-switch routine. This is the precise reason I'll never consider a subscription-based PVR. It was too easy to see it coming. It's also too easy to just buy the parts for the computer that I need to make it happen there. (Where it belongs, IMHO.)

      Look, I sympathize a bit with the broadcasters, they have some tough questions and sitations to answer. But that's the extent: a bit. I don't care a lot, nor should you. TV will not 'go away' any more than music will. The presupposition that without this one specific economic model for media dissemination, we'll all be without any art whatsoever, is ludicrous.

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    13. Re:Before the flames begin. by zackbar · · Score: 1

      But the quality of the programming would suck.

      Oh, wait. It does anyway.

    14. Re:Before the flames begin. by Mononoke · · Score: 1
      > You do know that advertising is what pays for TV programming, broadcasting, etc., in the USofA, don't you?

      nope. consumers pay for broadcasting in the usa with the extra cost of their consumer goods due to the spend on advertising. The adverts don't come for free, and the companies advertising the goods pass that cost on to the consumer.

      You've got to complete the sequence: Consumer pays for goods; Manufacturer pays for advertising so that consumer knows goods exist; Network pays for programming with money made by selling advertising space.
      IF FMCG companies weren't spending the money on adverstising, your goods would be cheaper, and your TV viewing would be uninterrupted by ads.
      It would be uninterrupted by programming, too, because no one would be paying for shows to be produced.

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    15. Re:Before the flames begin. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Troll,

      Please explain how turning the TV off whenever a commercial comes on benefits anyone. From where I'm sitting, all I see is:

      1. Advertiser not getting their message out
      2. Cable company indifferent as the signal is still in the wires
      3. Me buying a new TV much sooner, due to it wearing out from all the on/off action

      Thank you

    16. Re:Before the flames begin. by lubricated · · Score: 1

      We would watch all watch pbs.

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    17. Re:Before the flames begin. by Java+Pimp · · Score: 1

      You pay the cable company for the connection to them and using them.

      Agreed.

      You inadvertantly pay for commercials by watching them, which fund shows as well.

      Not quite. Advertizers pay for the commercials and air time, regardless if I, or anyone else, watch them or buy their product. I have yet to buy a pack of tampons. Does that make me a TV theif? I mean I watched their sponsored block of TV didn't I?

      Advertizers purchase air time gambling that someone somewhere will see the advertizement and buy their product. They don't buy it expecting a guanrantee that "everyone" will see it and buy the product.

      If I choose to not watch the commercial when the program is first aired, I can go to the kitchen to make a sandwich or turn off the TV for 30 seconds. If I record the program to watch later I can choose to not watch the commercial w/ my fast forward button on my VCR, or skip it w/ the PVR skip feature. Either way that's my choice. If I want to watch the commercials I can choose to do so.

      It is not sealing or illegal for me to watch TV without watching the commercials. That program is bought and paid for by the advertizers and inadvertantly by the viewers that actually buy the advertizers product because they saw the ad. That's how it's been done for years and hasn't changed one bit with this new technology.

      If someone is going to argue that skipping commercials is stealing, then what's the next step? Making a sandwich during commercial breaks is stealing. Not buying a product after viewing the commercial is stealing. Turning off the TV and playing with my kids is stealing. Next, we must be bound and shackled and in front of the TV and the advertizers will automatically deduct funds from our bank accounts and mail us the product.

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    18. Re:Before the flames begin. by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 2, Informative

      You do know that most televisions allow you to "delete" channels you don't watch? Channel surfing is a lot smoother.

    19. Re:Before the flames begin. by rmarll · · Score: 2, Interesting

      /don foil hat

      We already have those, our tivo's think we're gay, and are telling advertisers we will pay over a hundred dollars a year to avoid them (do I watch a $100 in advertising?). God help you if you fall asleep with the TV on skinamax overnight.

      I can tolerate some advertising with my tv. I would much rather be able to rate/select advertisements so I didn't have to see people discussing muffin maintenance or "truth" ad's that are absurd to the point of almost promoting the products they revile.

      This is also why I send the local PBS and public radio station a fat check every year.

    20. Re:Before the flames begin. by duggy_92127 · · Score: 1
      You do know that advertising is what pays for TV programming, broadcasting, etc., in the USofA, don't you?

      Yes, we're all aware of that. In addition, many of us would like to be able to make the decision to not participate in that arrangement. Where are the alternate methods of getting our video entertainment? Movies, sure, and hence DVDs and whatnot. Although those are less commercial-free these days, they remain largely so, and I partake.

      However, I choose not to waste 30% of my time being advertised at when I want to watch something on television. And it is 30%; an "hour" program contains 42 minutes of actual show.

      So, I skip commercials. And I have a handy device to help me do it. I'm certainly not violating any agreement, since I have entered into none. And if we all do this, sure, we put pressure on "the way it works", possibly causing changes. Maybe my cable bill will go up; I'll decide if it's worth it, and if not, I'll cancel it and get my TV off the air. Maybe even that'll go away... then what?

      Well, that's a fine question. What would happen at that point? The networks just give up and go home? I think not, TV makes them a lot of money, and they're going to try everything to keep making that money.

      I'm actually rather excited to see what happens next. Maybe some kind of pay-per-show setup? We've already got that for movies, they'd just need to revamp the infrastructure and pricing a bit for normal shows, and LOSE THE COMMERCIALS. Maybe they'll produce shows straight to DVD? That would also be great, if priced reasonably.

      The point being, yes, I know how it works, and I don't like it. Thus, I do something different, and if that causes "the system" to fail, then it SHOULD fail. And it will probably be replaced by something better, more in tune with what we actually want.

      Doug

    21. Re:Before the flames begin. by ProtonMotiveForce · · Score: 1

      That's always the answer, "I'll build my own!". Well, frankly, the ones people build on their own suck ass.

      I'll take a DirecTivo over anything anyone builds on their own. The quality of software and the capabilities (e.g. dual tuner) are well above any of the free crap out there now, and even the non-free crap (e.g. Windows media edition).

    22. Re:Before the flames begin. by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 1

      Well, if the new owners ReplayTV were honest and forthright, they would not yank the features out from under the current users of Replay, but deny use of these features for all new purchases of Replay.

    23. Re:Before the flames begin. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      But the quality of the programming would suck.
      Actually, no. Since the customers would be the viewers instead of the advertisers, programming would be what the viewer want, and not what brings the most eyeballs to the advertisers.

      Countries with State broadcasters (Canada, Britain, France, etc.) have extremely high-quality programming, compared to the inexistant quality of american private broadcasters.

    24. Re:Before the flames begin. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me a way to "delete" the charge for the channels I don't watch, nor want. Then I'll be satesfied with that answer.

    25. Re:Before the flames begin. by Fishstick · · Score: 1

      TiVo has made channel-surfing obsolete for me.

      I used to drive my wife crazy - sitting on the couch, clicking the remote all the way up and down the channels a couple times, declaring "there's nothing on" after about an hour. I can't beleive I used to do that.

      TiVo changed all that. It now takes about 4-5 seconds to change the channel by just hitting channel-up/down (TiVo sends the full channel # to the cable box via IR emitter -- my moto box is the one causing the big delay in switching channels). It has made the practice of surfing by this method impractical.

      Instead, I just use the marvelous guide feature. In under 90 seconds I can scan through the on-now and upcoming-soon programming, coming to my "there's nothing on" conclusion in mere minutes.

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    26. Re:Before the flames begin. by Mr.+X · · Score: 1

      I've been dying to select exactly the cable channels I want for years. It seems vastly preferable - to me, anyways - to pay $40/month for 8-12 channels that I actually like, through and through. Of course the media giants are all-too aware of this; after all, they watch TV too. You can't shovel your pap in with the good stuff if people have the power to only receive the good stuff, and filter out the pap.

      Actually, in the USA, you have the right to order exactly the channels you want. However, the cable companies are not required to tell you about this right.

    27. Re:Before the flames begin. by mfrank · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but what exactly is the difference between "what the viewer wants" and "what brings the most eyeballs to the advertisers" ???

      I think you're confusing "what the viewer wants" with "what the elitist snob who watches PBS a lot but never donates during the pledge drive and votes Democrat so the govt will subsidize it wants".

      You can also try to explain why so many countries with State broadcasters have to pass laws to limit the amount of American TV shows that can be shown to their people.

    28. Re:Before the flames begin. by Yossarian2000 · · Score: 1
      Advertizers pay for the commercials and air time, regardless if I, or anyone else, watch them or buy their product.

      This is not correct. Broadcasters and cable channels sell "eyeballs," not airtime. When an advertiser buys time during a show, the network/station promises to deliver a certain number of viewers. If the network fails to deliver that number of viewers (measured through ratings data) they must give the advertiser another commercial (for free). This is called a "make-good."


      This doesn't impact your point about having the choice to watch/not watch a commercial, but I figured I'd set the record straight for how ad time works.

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    29. Re:Before the flames begin. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said

    30. Re:Before the flames begin. by s.a.m · · Score: 1

      You know that sounds like something someone did in an HBO series. He made it think he was gay one week and then something else another week.

    31. Re:Before the flames begin. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you only have the right to order the premium channels without being tied to any of the "mid-level" tiers. For example, you can get a basic (cheapest) level of service + HBO, but the cable co really wants to make you buy basc + mid-tier + HBO. However, you can't buy the channels in the mid-tier ala carte, say like MTV or SciFi, either you get the whole mid-tier or you get none.

    32. Re:Before the flames begin. by rmarll · · Score: 1

      I think there were a few shows with that theme. Everyone Loves Raymond comes to mind.

    33. Re:Before the flames begin. by rot26 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry, but what exactly is the difference between "what the viewer wants" and "what brings the most eyeballs to the advertisers" ???

      HUGE difference, my friend. The simple one-word explanation is demographics

      Advertisers don't want the MOST viewers possible, they want the MOST VIEWERS IN THE DESIRED DEMOGRAPHIC. IANAAE, but I believe the hot demo right now is young women. (That's why you and I think Jerry Springer sucks, but it remains popular with advertisers anyway.) If there were a "viewing tax", equally distributed among all age, sex, and income brackets, then demographics would become meaningless, and television producers would cater to viewers, rather than advertisers (when then in turn care about viewers, but only certain ones.)
      I am getting crotchety and unreasonable in my old age, and I have gotten to the point that I would rather watch a show about starfish reproductive habits on PBS than something with 2 minutes of ads for ever 3 minutes of content. (e.g. anything on TBS in the evening. Watching the last 30 minutes of any movie on TBS is an exercise in madness because the ration worsens to 4 minutes of ads for every 1 minutes of content.)

      Add me to the list of people who wouldn't mind paying a TV tax if it would get rid of the goddam tampon ads.

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    34. Re:Before the flames begin. by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      Cancel cable service.

    35. Re:Before the flames begin. by shepd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >You pay the cable company for the connection to them and using them.

      Then why do some commercial supported channels cost more than other commercial supported channels?

      And, seriously, it isn't that expensive to get a connection to the uplink. Heck, I can do it with consumer parts for under $50 these days (people are just trashing their old C-Band systems... so sad, really). For a cable company, I'd say no more than $5000 per satellite, and $2000 per channel. At current rates most cable co's should have all the stations paid for in a month.

      The fact is you don't just pay for the connection / upkeep of the connection, you actually have to pay for the already commercial supported channels. It's sad, really.

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    36. Re:Before the flames begin. by Jester99 · · Score: 1

      Just fine? Bullsh*t!

      In the early days of the Internet, commercial sites wanted to get funding. Sooo, some bright light thought to put a little banner at the top of each page. Then people started ignoring them.

      Funny how capitalism works, they just found another way to get funding.

      Little ads that flash brightly.

      Little ads that play music.

      Pop up ads.

      Ads that fly over your screen like an annoying bug.

      Ads that you have to wait for the whole giant thing to load before you can click through to an article or other page you want.

      Yes, if enough folks skipped ads, they'd just find another way to get funding. But frankly, the response always seems to be "make the ads *more* invasive," not "more creative."

      As time goes on, nothing *better* will come, just more annoying.

      Oh, and the alternative, the networks dying, isn't exactly "just fine" either, because then that TiVo you bought doesn't do you much good, if nothing's on TV to watch, is it? :)

    37. Re:Before the flames begin. by patchmaster · · Score: 1

      You still watch live TV? Since two days after I got my ReplayTV the only thing I've watched live is sports. All other TV watching has been stuff that ReplayTV has previously recorded. I can't imagine ever going back to watching live. The ability to skip the commercials is far too valuable.

    38. Re:Before the flames begin. by patchmaster · · Score: 1

      So far, no one has suggested ReplayTV intends to remove features available to current users. The quotes in the referenced article mention only future products. They technically could alter the features available to current users, but, short of a court order to do so, I can't imagine why they would.

    39. Re:Before the flames begin. by kwerle · · Score: 1

      In the early days of the Internet, commercial sites wanted to get funding. Sooo, some bright light thought to put a little banner at the top of each page. Then people started ignoring them...
      Little ads that flash brightly...
      Little ads that play music...
      Pop up ads...
      Ads that fly over your screen like an annoying bug...
      Ads that you have to wait for the whole giant thing to load before you can click through to an article or other page you want.


      I have not noticed that, much. I don't use sites that use click-through; maybe you shouldn't, either. The rest of the crap I block, which the advertisers don't seem to care about all that much - most folks just don't care and can't be bothered.

      I don't think that ads getting more intrusive is something that happened because people blocked the ads; I think it happened because people ignored them - as in they were not effective. Click-thru will go away, too - just as soon as sites are ignored for using it and advertisers find out it doesn't work, either.

      Oh, and the alternative, the networks dying, isn't exactly "just fine" either, because then that TiVo you bought doesn't do you much good, if nothing's on TV to watch, is it? :)

      Funny, HBO seems to keep on running. It can be done - and in some cases it is done. The points are:
      1. There will probably never be enough folks who bother with the tech for marketers to really care.
      2. If that unlikely thing DOES happen, we may move to pay-per-view or some similar model. People will find a way to pay for TV.

      This is not some mysterious, dark magic. It's just capitalism.

    40. Re:Before the flames begin. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, there's quality sites like Salon, where you can opt out of the ads for a premium price. And tons where there still is only a banner ad, because the sites are subsidised by either business or their community of users.

      And don't forget HBO. Or the CBC. Or PBS. The world of commercial-free media is right around the bend, my friends.

      The models are there. Tivo + free-market economy = destruction of traditional capitalist business model = fun.

    41. Re:Before the flames begin. by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      No, if enough folks skipped the ads, high-financed media companies would buy some shiny new legislation and sue the makers of the technology that enabled folks to skip ads.

      That's the real golden rule of capitalism - "he who has the gold, makes the rule".

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    42. Re:Before the flames begin. by porges · · Score: 1

      I'm actually rather excited to see what happens next. Maybe some kind of pay-per-show setup? We've already got that for movies, they'd just need to revamp the infrastructure and pricing a bit for normal shows, and LOSE THE COMMERCIALS. Maybe they'll produce shows straight to DVD? That would also be great, if priced reasonably.

      And then the P2P fans will begin the chant: "Their business model is obsolete! Their business model is obsolete!"

    43. Re:Before the flames begin. by shumway · · Score: 1

      As for Replay... these companies have got to stop with the fucking bait-and-switch routine. This is the precise reason I'll never consider a subscription-based PVR. It was too easy to see it coming. It's also too easy to just buy the parts for the computer that I need to make it happen there. (Where it belongs, IMHO.)

      How is it bait-and-switch? If I read things correctly, they are not going to nerf existing models, just not offer the feature(s) in the next one. If you want what they offer now, buy one. I got a 5000-series RTV over Christmas and use it all the time. I have some issues with the interface, but supposedly there us an upgrade coming that should copy a few more useful Tivo features.

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    44. Re:Before the flames begin. by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 1

      Supply and demand. If enough people want a channel, they can make it any cost they want.

      Simple as that.

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    45. Re:Before the flames begin. by kwerle · · Score: 1

      Essentially, they already have. That's why they sue, injunct, and threaten companies like replay.

      On the other hand, consumers have more money than producers. If enough consumers decide they want to be able to skip ads, it will happen.

      Again, I don't think that's likely. And if it ever does happen, and I decide I want to watch TV again, I'll be instaling Freevo on my XBox :-)

  8. Big deal, I hope they drop more features. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Company wants to drop features from their proprietary product. One more feature the open source solutions can have over the product.

    Maybe someone can convince Microsoft to drop all network support.

  9. "Respecting the intent of copyright"? by tuffy · · Score: 4, Funny
    If the "intent of copyright", according to ReplayTV, is to play shows the way the network intended, why not show them only at the times they were intended also. For example, if "Brand new episode of series Foo" is airing at 7pm wednesday May 28th, ReplayTV can "respect the intent of copyright" and show it only at 7pm on wednesday May 28th.

    I'm sure it'll be a big hit.

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    1. Re:"Respecting the intent of copyright"? by cybermace5 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The hardware would be amazingly simple! A peek inside the box reveals a stunningly minimal part count, enclosed in what only appears to be a single wire running from "VIDEO IN" to "VIDEO OUT."

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    2. Re:"Respecting the intent of copyright"? by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They should do this for the "intent of copyright" with movies. I would love to be able to watch a movie on TV without all the controversial words and scenes cut out of them.

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    3. Re:"Respecting the intent of copyright"? by sacrilicious · · Score: 1
      The hardware would be amazingly simple! A peek inside the box reveals a stunningly minimal part count, enclosed in what only appears to be a single wire running from "VIDEO IN" to "VIDEO OUT."

      I can see it. Whereas now when you're watching live tv you can get messages saying "Tivo needs to change the channel in order to record a show you've scheduled. Ok to change?", tivo could instead give a message "Tivo needs to change the channel in order to change the channel to the channel you just specified with your remote. Ok to change?" (Options "Yes, go ahead and change it" and "No, it was rash of me to hit that button and I've changed my mind".)

      I suppose people would still have a hard time rolling their own tivo because of the value Tivo would continue to add with their program guide subscription.

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  10. Stop Watching TV by taradfong · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    TV is evil anyway. It really adds no value to one's life. It is a disease in that it gives your brain just enough stimulation to prevent it from getting bored and doing something worthwhile. Stop watching it. Doing so will change your life. I'm not joking. Watching TV conditions you for the worse, and the only way you'll know I'm not making this up is to go without for 2 months.

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    1. Re:Stop Watching TV by tuffy · · Score: 2, Funny
      Stop watching it. Doing so will change your life. I'm not joking. Watching TV conditions you for the worse, and the only way you'll know I'm not making this up is to go without for 2 months.

      And, not watching television will give you something to mention to people on a regular basis.

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    2. Re:Stop Watching TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It really adds no value to one's life. It is a disease in that it gives your brain just enough stimulation to prevent it from getting bored and doing something worthwhile.

      Unlike browsing /. during the workday, which does none of the above mentioned. ;-)

    3. Re:Stop Watching TV by fobbman · · Score: 1

      I fear that the same thing can be said for Slashdot. :\

    4. Re:Stop Watching TV by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      s/Watching TV/reading Slashdot/

      There, now that makes sense!

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    5. Re:Stop Watching TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something so simple. Yet I feel inspired; it makes perfect sense. I waste way too much time watching Simpsons, HBO, Seinfeld, etc.

      I've decided to give up TV for a month. Wish me luck.

    6. Re:Stop Watching TV by Snork+Asaurus · · Score: 1
      It really adds no value to one's life. It is a disease in that it gives your brain just enough stimulation to prevent it from getting bored and doing something worthwhile.

      So, you're saying that TV = Slashdot?

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    7. Re:Stop Watching TV by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
      TV is evil anyway. It really adds no value to one's life. It is a disease in that it gives your brain just enough stimulation to prevent it from getting bored and doing something worthwhile. Stop watching it. Doing so will change your life. I'm not joking. Watching TV conditions you for the worse, and the only way you'll know I'm not making this up is to go without for 2 months.

      Substitute "Slashdot" for "TV".

    8. Re:Stop Watching TV by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      Inconceivable!

      What the hell do these no TV no-goodnicks watch PORN on?

    9. Re:Stop Watching TV by fendel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wish there were a way to filter out the smug, self-righteous "kill your television" evangelists who invade every TV-related thread for the sole purpose of telling us we're wasting our lives.

      TV is no more evil than books or movies, and avoiding TV does not make your life inherently better.

    10. Re:Stop Watching TV by chez69 · · Score: 1

      slashdot is a lot more mind numbing then TV. how often do you see a ascii goatse on TV?

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    11. Re:Stop Watching TV by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      But.. but.. Court TV has taught us so much. My wife and I almost have worked out all the steps a smart criminal needs to take to avoid getting caught and put on Forensic Files next season.

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    12. Re:Stop Watching TV by Unregistered · · Score: 1

      And posting on Slashdot is so much better?

    13. Re:Stop Watching TV by Kombat · · Score: 1

      Whoever modded this as "Offtopic" is on crack. The topic is TELEVISION. The poster is discussing TELEVISION by advising you to give it up. He might be a "Troll," or it might be "Flamebait," but it is most definitely NOT "Offtopic." Personally, I think he's got a point.

      I hope this travesty gets weeded out in the metamods, 'cause someone really screwed up here.

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  11. MythTV and Freevo by jared_hanson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Software solutions such as MythTV and Freevo (both run on Linux) require fairly hefty hardware to do the encoding of TV to MPEG-2, MPEG-4, etc. Then they need to decode it to play it to the screen. Both encoding and decoding is necessary in order to do the time shift.

    However, MythTV is leading the charge to offload this processing to the WinTV PVR cards, freeing up the system CPU for other stuff, or just allowing the user to scrape by with minimum requirements. So the feasability is improving quite rapidly right now.

    MythTV has also been doing some impressive work on their GUI (check out the screenshots). This was one area I previously thought Freevo had a leg up on, but that advantage is going away.

    Links:
    MythTV
    Freevo

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    1. Re:MythTV and Freevo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a little off re mythtv.

      The WinTV cards cannot decode and encode at the same time. The itvc15/6 (15s were in the original retail and the 16 was in the oem boards, but that may have changed) can do one or the other. Not both; you need 2 such chips per PCI card (could be another cheap, like a sigma designs) and each, including the Asian marketed ones (not Hauppauge) all have 1 and no additional decoding chip (except the 350, but see below).

      Also, the 250 only does encoding, and the 350 does decoding but, afaik, only decodes to the TV output/svideo. Also, the 350's decoding is not documented from what I've seen, because the ivtv driver is based loosely on 250 documentation. Even if they had the 350 reference documentation, it's unclear whether it's a hardware or software limitation which limits the decoding only to the s-video and such. I would imagine it is hardware and not a driver limitation (my guess is that's it's a direct feed, so you could see mpeg2 playback on your tv but not your monitor, which is strange).

      As you point out though, the 250 and 350 have serious advantages. The decoding of a stream can now be handled near exclusively by the processor, and since decoding is usually easier than encoding, this results in a hugely significant cpu offload. But it doesn't do both. The CPU is still involved in the decoding. It just has an easier time.

      Interestingly, I would imagine you could use dedicated linux supported decoder cards in addition to the 250 and 350, which would lead to the situation you describe. That said though, I think most people would rather work with 2 PVR cards and let the processor handle decoding, since they would usually be just watching one thing at a time, but may be encoding multiple shows.

      In any case, the EPIA market has some huge potential here, given the dual PCI cards, the J12 connector, and the CLE266. In the latter 2, you could offload decoding. However, VIA to date afaik hasn't released the specs for the CLE266 (MS only drivers that support the mpeg2 hardware accleration), and sigma designs J12 card really isn't purchaseable, which also lends doubt to whether Linux supports their card and through that interface.

  12. What features has Tivo removed by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    "I must be a bit confused. Which features has Tivo removed from my system?"

    I read on Slashdot a few months about about a feature, perhaps a hardware jack, that made it easy to copy TV shows to your hard disk....and that whatever feature it was, Tivo took it away or was going to take it away. Or maybe it was an encryption that was added?

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    1. Re:What features has Tivo removed by phalanx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Extraction to the PC was never a feature TiVo made available it was a hack made by people that have TiVo(s).

    2. Re:What features has Tivo removed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I just used it last night, so I can tell you that it definately still works.

  13. I aggree by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    Haven't watched TV for at least two years, don't miss it one bit.

    People should go out, talk and get their own lives instead of borrowing fictional lives off of the TV.

    Did you know that the US government gave money to ER (is it still running?) to show positions favourable to government policy. (e.g. evil drug addicts)

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    1. Re:I aggree by ozborn · · Score: 1

      Do you have a source for the government giving money to ER?

    2. Re:I aggree by dacetone · · Score: 1

      Salon.com did a story on it back in 2000.

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    3. Re:I aggree by cybermace5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't own a TV, and my parents haven't for about 18 years.

      They got out of it around the same time TV began pushing the boundaries of what used to be morally unacceptable. Since then, TV has succeeded in programming a generation into mindless drones. They don't interact with other people, so all their perceptions of morality and acceptable behavior come from the TV. They watch the commercials and buy what they see.

      That said, like many things it is the abuse which is harmful. Some people are intelligent enough to judge the content, and have the willpower to get up and turn it off. But a lot of people would have no idea what to do with their time. They have no skills or hobbies, because they have spent all their free time watching canned entertainment and laughing with the fake audience even if they don't get the joke.

      Not everything on TV is bad, and certainly there are some fun programs to watch (for example, Junkyard Wars or Battlebots are some pretty fun shows for a bunch of engineering students to watch). But you need to be able to walk up and turn it off. Switch your mind from remote-control to self-control.

      I wish there was a version of Quicken that accounted for your time and personal development. It would be interesting to track mental acuity, skillset expansion, energy, and rest levels in response to different activities. You could budget in time for entertainment, working on a hobby, reading a book, and even exercise. Then you could plot a graph and see whether you are a skilled and improving person, or a sad sack sitting on the couch, getting sadder and sackier.

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  14. Burn the books! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "own lives instead of borrowing fictional lives off of the TV"

    The same argument can be used for stopping reading books, never seeing plays.

    1. Re:Burn the books! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny you should mention that, what are books again? I havn't read a fiction book for at least 10years, and before that only when I was forced to.

  15. This is why you roll your own PVR. by IpSo_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I believe there was a Ask Slashdot a few weeks ago regarding building your own PVR. The majority of the comments seemed say "Why bother, just buy a TIVO/Replay TV, its already done for."

    Well, this is why you roll your own. Yes, its a little more work, the cost is pretty much the same, but there is no monthly fee, and features don't get yanked out from under you.

    MythTV is absolutely amazing, and its evolving incredibly fast. If your lookinng for a PVR, I recommend giving it a shot.

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    1. Re:This is why you roll your own PVR. by Alan+Shutko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and features don't get yanked out from under you

      They haven't removed any features. They aren't removing features from existing products. They're considering removing features from new products they might offer.

    2. Re:This is why you roll your own PVR. by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A little more work? Installing a TIVO is absolutely brain dead. Think of this in terms of a non-computer person you know... Maybe your parents.

      Tivo has:
      - No install of Linux, software, libraries.
      - no install of cards
      - Customer support if you cant figure out how to plug it into your TV (the truely braindead)
      - Comes with all the cables

      Some of us are Unix admins at work and can write their own Myth TV if they wanted, but DON'T WANT TO. TV is supposed to be a relaxing veg-your-brain "activity". Most people don't want to have to think about it.

      Have you seen the FAQ on Myth TV?
      Compare these questions and nswers to the "plug it in" install of Tivo:

      I get an error when compiling about 'mkspecs'?
      You need to set QTDIR. On Debian, it should be /usr/share/qt. On Mandrake, it should be /usr/lib/qt3

      I can't change the channel when watching TV?
      Something's wrong with your program database. Did filldata run with no major errors?

      When is the last time Tech Support over at Tivo asked a user "Did you make sure that /usr/local/lib is in /etc/ld.so.conf and then re-run ldconfig?"

    3. Re:This is why you roll your own PVR. by nbvb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bless your heart, Sir.

      You Get It (tm).

      This is why I'm a Sun/HP-UX admin by day, but a DirecTiVo/Mac user at night.

      I like things that Just Work (tm).

    4. Re:This is why you roll your own PVR. by shepd · · Score: 1

      >- No install of Linux, software, libraries

      Run that by me again, I seem to be misunderstanding...

      >- no install of cards

      uhhhuhhh...

      >- Customer support if you cant figure out how to plug it into your TV (the truely braindead)

      And RedHat doesn't offer any?

      >- Comes with all the cables

      So does a computer with a TV Capture board pre-installed...

      You can buy a computer setup already for the brain-dead. I never really did get the TiVO thing... especially the monthly subscription deal. Blech!

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    5. Re:This is why you roll your own PVR. by malfunct · · Score: 1
      Unless the site that provides free guide data goes under and then you have little more than a fancy programmable VCR. There is one reason I like tivo (I have never tried ReplayTV so this might apply equally to that) is that I go to the search, click a few buttons, pick the show and bam its recorded. If it changes times I will get the change (unless its one of the cases where it changes time too close to the showing and new guide data doesn't come to me but that is fairly rare). Its just easy and it works.

      The free roll your own solutions are close, but again the guide data is the sticker, and if that goes away or becomes a "for pay" thing then the free solutions lose a ton of value.

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    6. Re:This is why you roll your own PVR. by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      So no one should try to get a Tivo clone built?

    7. Re:This is why you roll your own PVR. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you can make a roll your own with commercial advance, write back. Otherwise your comment is pretty pointless.

    8. Re:This is why you roll your own PVR. by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

      That post has got to be the most incoherent, non-sequitorious attempt at an honest 'rebuttal' I've ever seen on slashdot, and my UID is below 5000.

      Out of the box, which is how at least 75% of Tivo owners will operate their systems for as long as they own their system (or live, which is as long as most Tivo owners I know say they'll be Tivo owners), you merely connect it to your TV, phone and tuner box and go. Setup is braindead simple, on par with Apple, and that is a magically glorious and wonderful thing, something to be cherished and adored.

      You pull 'arguments' out of your ass that are not really 'arguments' at all, but instead are testaments to the flexibility and goodness of Tivo. Tivo uses linux, but my mom or joe blow would NEVER know that except by reading the back of one of the manuals, where you will find the entire text of GPL v2 printed. That's a Good Thing(tm). You can expand and hack your Tivo (and btw series 2 uses USB instead of PCI for network capability, and IIRC doesn't have a PCI slot) but you don't HAVE to. It's a CHOICE. Choice is GOOD.

      Tivo is not for you, it's for the more profitable and larger audience of non-techies. The fact that it's so hackable and uses Linux merely reduces naysayer count further, into privacy crank and ignorant geek territory.

    9. Re:This is why you roll your own PVR. by shepd · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      >That post has got to be the most incoherent, non-sequitorious attempt at an honest 'rebuttal' I've ever seen on slashdot, and my UID is below 5000.

      Great, a full search of slashdot (ask Malda for the archives) will show I've been here 2 years longer than you, that is if you're basing dick size on how long you've used slashdot.

      >Out of the box, which is how at least 75% of Tivo owners will operate their systems for as long as they own their system (or live, which is as long as most Tivo owners I know say they'll be Tivo owners), you merely connect it to your TV, phone and tuner box and go.

      No, they'll operate it as long as their subscription service holds out. As soon as TiVO does a DivX, bye-bye usefulness, hello expensive VCR.

      >Setup is braindead simple, on par with Apple, and that is a magically glorious and wonderful thing, something to be cherished and adored.

      No problems with that here. I just have a problem with buying something where the most useful features require the company to stay in business, that's all.

      >You pull 'arguments' out of your ass that are not really 'arguments' at all, but instead are testaments to the flexibility and goodness of Tivo.

      The question is, is there a linux box that does Tivo? I proved there was. You doubt that box I linked to exists? You doubt it is easy to install? I don't own one, so I can't disprove you on that, but I can assure you the company exists.

      > Tivo uses linux, but my mom or joe blow would NEVER know that except by reading the back of one of the manuals, where you will find the entire text of GPL v2 printed. That's a Good Thing(tm). You can expand and hack your Tivo (and btw series 2 uses USB instead of PCI for network capability, and IIRC doesn't have a PCI slot) but you don't HAVE to. It's a CHOICE. Choice is GOOD.

      I didn't complain about that. But to make the Tivo as useful as a homebrew/pre-bought linux alternative (to Tivo linux) you have to modify the box, as far as I can tell (let me know if I'm wrong).

      Go ahead and buy a Tivo! I don't care! It's your money! Personally, I refuse to pay for a TV Guide when I get it for free as is, but if that's your choice, have at it!

      >Tivo is not for you, it's for the more profitable and larger audience of non-techies.

      Nice ad-hominem attack there. Impressive. Not.

      >The fact that it's so hackable and uses Linux merely reduces naysayer count further, into privacy crank and ignorant geek territory.

      And more ad-hominem attacks. If I'm an ignorant geek, then you'd be an ignorant debater. At least that means I can convince people of my points.

      Apologize or be added to my (ever growing) foes list.

      TTFN.

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    10. Re:This is why you roll your own PVR. by Rakarra · · Score: 1
      >Tivo is not for you, it's for the more profitable and larger audience of non-techies.

      Nice ad-hominem attack there. Impressive. Not. Being called a techie is an ad-hominem attack?

    11. Re:This is why you roll your own PVR. by shepd · · Score: 1

      >Being called a techie is an ad-hominem attack?

      No, it's what wasn't said that's louder.

      The opposite of "Tivo is not for you, it's for the more profitable and larger audience of non-techies." is "If Tivo is for you, you are more profitable/less-techie than those who it isn't for", which is a sly way of saying "People who don't by Tivo do so because they're broke".

      BTW: You might just want to check your sig... it could be out of date. :)

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    12. Re:This is why you roll your own PVR. by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 1

      No, thats not what we are saying at all. My original message was in response to another message stating something to the effect of "This is why you roll your own PVR".

      Basically, I was countering the statement "No one should use Tivo because the roll-your-own method is technically and ethically superior".

      I shouldn't have to respond to that sort of lapse of logic... but alas, this is Slashdot... logic has nothing to do with it.

  16. How cable started. by AtariAmarok · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Money didn't "flow" like that at all when cable was in its infancy. One of the selling points was that aside from the local stations, none of the other channels had commercials because you were already paying for it."

    I've had cable since the late 1960s. Its real infancy: there were no channels without commercials other than the one at the bottom of the dial where the camera panned back and forth across weather dials.

    The selling point was that you could receive stations period. Without cable, the broadcasters were too distant to see.

    In 2003, I still have cable since it the only way to see the broadcast networks.

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    1. Re:How cable started. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      I've had cable in the 70's and by then there were already commercial free stations popping up.

      One benefit of the commercial stations available on cable was the unfettered delivery of content. NO programs were blocked and the local cable company didn't insert it's own ads (sometimes on top of actual content).

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  17. not perfect by chill182 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The commercial skip works great on sitcoms that are on the main network stations. That's about it. On TechTV and G4 it doesn't skip past the long commericals (video professor, that air filter thing). On dramas like 24, Buffy or Alias it skips too far, requiring me to rewind several minutes. I probably use commercial skip on about 1/4th of all my recorded shows.

  18. TV is bad for your life by doublem · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My Parents:

    Watch TV all the time. Requests to turn the damn thing off are met with a confused gaze.

    My Apartment:

    TV gets turned on when we have friends over for the purpose of watching a movie, or we're too brain drained to do anything but sit and watch pretty colors. Oh, and when I want to play with my PS2.

    How does that impact our lives? I spend most of my time with my friends. A night to myself becomes a rare and cherished thing spent reading a book I've been looking forward to or on a game I haven't played in ages.

    My GF and I throw dinner parties, have nights out with friends, spend time talking to each other and interacting as adult human beings.

    Hell, I didn't have cable for four years and never missed it.

    Although I do admit, the Food Chanel is pretty fun. Of course, my GF and I end up trying a lot of the tings we see on the shows there.

    My mother can give a run down of the entire life story of all the characters on "Friends" and "Stargate SG1" (The latter watched not for the content, but for MacGyver's presence.) Her social life consists largely of people from Church, and she doesn't see them very often.

    I prefer my life, thank you very much.

    And to add a slice of irony, I'll quote a character from a very bad sci-fi show: "We stopped watching movies when we realized that our own lives were far more interesting."

    --
    "Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
    1. Re:TV is bad for your life by fendel · · Score: 1

      Gee, it must be nice to feel so superior to your parents. And Slashdot is the perfect forum to declare that extroverts with a steady strem of visitors in their houses live inherently richer lives. And we all know that stories delivered via television are sludge while stories delivered via dead trees are precious, noble cultural artifacts.

      Oh brother.

    2. Re:TV is bad for your life by mugnyte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Kids! Kids! Thats enough. TV or not, people have a right to do what they want with their time. No sense in bragging or taunting.

      Remember, for every issue you stand high on, in your moral rightousness, there is another you surely completely fail on.

      Consumerism, Fossil Fuels, Recycling, Diet/Weight/Health, Intellectual persuits, Spirituality, World Awareness, Community Participation, Civil Service....on and on

      Pick your lifestyle and enjoy it, but certainly don't flaunt it. There are no angels. Claiming the high ground makes one look niave.

      mug

      ref: "Bowling Alone"

    3. Re:TV is bad for your life by Kunta+Kinte · · Score: 1
      Pick your lifestyle and enjoy it, but certainly don't flaunt it. There are no angels. Claiming the high ground makes one look niave.

      I think "progressive" is a more accurate description, that is compared to "naive".

      Nobody's perfect, but that's no excuse not to try.

      I think the original poster of this thread, in describing his life without television, is on to something that few people ever stop to think about. True he may possibly be failing badly on other things but that doesn't void his right to make, what I think are, very insightful comments.

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      Based on upvotes, Ageism is the only "-ism" Slashdotters care about and think isn't SJW
    4. Re:TV is bad for your life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen! I'm probably about the same age as your parents (50), but I'm not much of a TV watcher. News, weather, the occasional documentary, or a movie (when I have the time) is about the extent of my viewing.

      I can't remember the last regular network show I watched. Who is Reuben?

      Watch less TV and pay attention to the important things in your life - family, friends, and you. My wife died two years ago. Believe me, there are FAR more important things than TV.

      Oh, I'm here because I'm a geek. Anything wrong with that.

      Sermon over; go on along now.

    5. Re:TV is bad for your life by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      TV gets turned on when we have friends over for the purpose of watching a movie, or we're too brain drained to do anything but sit and watch pretty colors.
      TV is eye-candy for the brain
      - Frank Lloyd Wright
    6. Re:TV is bad for your life by pcaylor · · Score: 1

      Although I do admit, the Food Chanel is pretty fun. Of course, my GF and I end up trying a lot of the tings we see on the shows there.

      Man, you've got a girlfriend willing to try out the things you see on TV and you're watching the Food Channel?

      You might want to check out some other channels.

    7. Re:TV is bad for your life by zfalcon · · Score: 1
      Although I do admit, the Food Chanel is pretty fun. Of course, my GF and I end up trying a lot of the tings we see on the shows there.

      It's more fun to try a lot of the things on other channels ;)

    8. Re:TV is bad for your life by doublem · · Score: 1

      We thought about that, and while we agreed that a real life junkyard wars would be fun, we don't have the garage space to store a home made dune buggy, and neither of us is very good at welding.

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      "Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
    9. Re:TV is bad for your life by swillden · · Score: 1

      Hell, I didn't have cable for four years and never missed it.

      Hehe. I haven't had any sort of broadcast/cable/satellite TV for nine years and haven't missed it, except for maybe the occasional basketball game.

      My house is located at the mouth of a large canyon, surrounded by 250' hills on all sides (with 4000' peaks to the east) and broadcast TV just doesn't work. When I moved here 10 years ago, cable wasn't available, either. The previous owners had a 10' satellite dish, but the electronics were shot and I didn't have the $3K it was going to take to get it working again.

      I tried putting an antenna on top of a 15' pole on top of my 25' tall house. No joy. I tried various signal boosters; still wasn't watchable. So, we just did without. As a result, all four of my kids have pretty much grown up without television. They watch plenty of movies on VHS and DVD, and they watch TV at neighbors' and relatives' homes but not at our house.

      We could have gotten cable about four years ago, but, why bother?

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    10. Re:TV is bad for your life by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

      perfection is blasphemy.

      self-improvement is masturbation.

      time is an illusion.

      lunchtime doubly so.

      that is all.

  19. Only if they think what you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If one is a free-thinker and a disbeliever in mythologies then all religions can be filed under "Rubbish"."

    Except, of course, for the religion the so called "free-thinker" subscribes to. Yes, only if they think like you do are they a "free thinker".

    (that term is troublesome, free-thinkers are found in and outside of all religions)

    1. Re:Only if they think what you think by Taldo · · Score: 1
      Dominant western religious thought teaches that people are inherently evil and that left to their own devices deserve to be tortured... forever. It also teaches that only the act of grovelling before the image of a mass murdering tyrant will save humanity from this richly deserved fate.

      Hell YES teaching this to a child is evil. It's child abuse.

    2. Re:Only if they think what you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Dominant western religious thought teaches... "

      No, it does not. Your statement shows that you know nothing about other religions besides your own.

    3. Re:Only if they think what you think by Taldo · · Score: 1
      Judaism, Christianity, Islam. What do they all have in common?

      The concept of Original Sin. IE You are inherently rebellious and evil due to Eve.

      Go back to your apologist boards where people don't question the dominant religious teachings.

    4. Re:Only if they think what you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you don't believe in hell, and Jehova never inundated the earth, killing all inhabitants except Noah and his family?

      Oh, I see, some things in the Bible are untrue, while other things are the literal word of God.

      Well, what about actual events, like the Spanish Inquisition? Find me a date in history where some Christian somewhere wasn't murdering someone and I might start to believe you.

  20. Calm Down by Dark1 · · Score: 1

    What exactly is the legal problem with Commercial Advance? Replay doesn't remove commercials from the recording, it just marks the video with indexes that it later uses to identify commericials. Skipping ahead about 3 minutes (3, QuickSkip) works pretty well too. It would seem to me that if Big Media has a problem with Commercial Advance, they'd have a problem with ALL DVRs.

    1. Re:Calm Down by Ramshackle · · Score: 1
      It would seem to me that if Big Media has a problem with Commercial Advance, they'd have a problem with ALL DVRs


      And they do. Why do you think you hardly ever see ads (especially on TV) for PVRs? Any device that makes it easy to record shows and has so much as a fast forward function is dangerous to advertisers. And if advertisers don't like it, then the networks don't like. Pretty simple.

  21. Re:EXTREMELY LONG BOOKS by positive · · Score: 1

    I think you mean "unabridged". Other than that, keep up the good work!

  22. Tivo and Replay by BrookHarty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have the DSS tivo, very nice as its all digital, no analog saving. Saw that the Replay was onsale at costco, and the slashdot article on copying files to your PC/MAC.

    Bought the replay, found out you had to buy a subscription, it wouldnt work without one. (and it was refurbished...)

    Hooked it up off the tivo, and the picture quality saving fromt the Tivo to the Replay was not that great. Could of been the Digital->Analog problem, but even my VCR recorded better. But I was able to move the files to the PC or MAC and edit them. But in the end, I didnt want to pay for the subscription, and he quality wasnt as good. Also, it didnt work with my normal DSS box. (the IR didnt control it) So I returned it.

    Even thou Tivo doesnt have an option to copy the movies off, the DSS models have a great picture, even better than the normal broadcast quality. Im thinking of getting the series 2 for DSS, could use more HD space also.

    BTW, i used the litttle secret code to enable 30 second skip, works great. Only problem tivo has, season pass manager is slow.

  23. 30 skip on Tivo by asv108 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I know this works on my Tivo Series 2

    While watching a show hit:

    Select -> Play -> Select -> 3 -> 0 -> Select

    The move to the end of the show button turns in to a 30 second skip button. It works great for me, sometimes it turns off after software updates so you will have to run the button sequence again.

  24. Workaround: for bug# ????? by DA_MAN_DA_MYTH · · Score: 3, Informative

    I had bad luck with that function chopping out bits of show anyway.

    turn off commercial advance, after the advance and rewind a couple of seconds to desired point. Turn commercial advance back on.

    Commercial advance is by far one of the greatest features, it makes hour long shows into 40 minute shows saving me time and giving me more tv!

    --
    "It takes many nails to build a crib, but one screw to fill it."
  25. Setting things straight - REPLAYTV 4040 owner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok first of all:
    I had bad luck with that function chopping out bits of show anyway.
    1. Not sure exactly what was meant by this. But it doesn't actually chop the show an commercial is still there. If you meant that it might of skipped some of your show that would of been better said.
    2. Seems to be some confusion at least it seems in this article about the 30 second skip and Commercial Advance. These are 2 different features. 30 sec skip seems like it is on all PVR's but CA is only on the ReplayTV. It actually skips commercials while watching (doesn't skip the recording of commercials) the show. It is a great feature. Hope it doesn't get removed.
    3. A lot of people responses sound like they think this is a for sure decision. It is not! It is an option DNNA is looking at. They will make that decision based on the cost. Lawyers compared to sales from feature. Also if they believe they can win.

    I can say one thing and this is the main reason I supported ReplayTV. Sonicblue stood up for the consumer; you don't see any other PVR doing this. The fought until it emptied their pockets but they didn't let up! I only hope DNNA also has the guts to stand up for the consumer! I lose the features no big deal it is the principal of Hollywood thinking they can prevent innovation that bothers me!

    Replaytv owner - Proud and Extremly Happy!!! Plus must add a brag, we have DVarchive!

  26. Fast Forward? by mikeboone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have not made the move to a PVR, but we use our 9 year old VCR to tape shows and watch later. And guess what, I use the fast forward button to get through the commercials! Perhaps we should remove that button from all remotes.

    1. Re:Fast Forward? by Balthisar · · Score: 1

      I don't see why the crying about the loss of the commercial skip. I have Tivo, so honestly don't know how well commercial skip works. I *don't* implement the 30-second hack on my Tivo, either. Why DOES work super well for me is fast-forward. Hit it thrice rapidly, and the commercials go by in a blink. Wait to you see your program, and hit it the fourth time, and the Tivo BACKS UP a little bit. Once you've practiced a couple of days, you'll have the timing perfect. If it doesn't back up far enough going back to play (you know, you lose the first couple of seconds), hit the 8-second replay and you're golden. Honestly, is SOUNDS like much more of an inconvenience than it really is. It's reflexive to me now. Dumb question -- is commercian skip on RTV automatic? If you don't even have to bother picking up the remote at all, then maybe I see your point....

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      --Jim (me)
    2. Re:Fast Forward? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear hear, VCRs have always had more, better, easier-to-use features in the nature of features that I want than these PVRs. Until PVRs catch up, who needs them? When are we going to have some hardware manufacturers with the guts to make products containing all the features that potential customers want? DRM and any kind of aversion at all to what the customers want do nothing but hurt the economy in the long run.

    3. Re:Fast Forward? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a fine distinction between FF on a VCR, and Commercial Skip on a DVR.

      On every VCR I've ever used, when you fast-forward without stopping (as you would for commercials), you still SEE the picture. So while the viewer may not see and hear the full commercial, the advertisers are still getting some screen time (and some might argue, better screen time through inadvertant subliminal messages).

      With a DVR, you don't need to linearly fast-forward, and can truly skip the commercials.

    4. Re:Fast Forward? by Tingler · · Score: 1

      I had an older replay unit that did not have the commercial advance & it behaved very similar to how you describe your TiVo. I recall hearing my friends remark about the commercial advance on their newer replay units & I responded very similar to how you are. "Why do you need a function when a few key presses solve the problem?"

      But I changed my tune once I bought a newer replay with the functionality. It actually adds even another level to the usefulness of the PVR. What it does is listen for the increased volume level that commercials are known for. Once it detects it, it simply fast-forwards to a normal volume section.

      So this is what it is like: You are watching a show & the host says, "When we get back from the break, we'll rebuild this engine." "and we're back." I smile every time it happens.

      It isn't perfect. Sometimes it skips because an explosion happens on the show or the beginning of Nova, for instance. But it isn't hard to turn it off for that show. I must admit I do not feel at all guilty when I miss the commercials. I feel that if they wanted me to see them, they should record the audio at a more reasonable level.

      I saw the writing on the wall when I bought it. I knew that either they would use the legal system to disable it, or they would get smart & lower the volume of their commercials. But I'll enjoy it while I have it.

    5. Re:Fast Forward? by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

      30 second skip is SO much better than this, when combined with the 10-second backtrack button..

      Commercial breaks are now 4-8 skip presses with at most 3-4 backtrack presses. Or, they're actual _breaks_ for me to put the milk in the fridge or take a leak, with backtracks ro skips as necessary.

      Can't beat it.

      Also, the home media option RAWKS. I spool my macs' iTunes and iPhoto archives and it works great, especially for a 1.0 release. It may have cost $99, but the way I look at it, I would've gone and gotten a dedicated gateway (such as SliMP3) thingy to do the same thing but paid more and had a more difficult-to-use thing. Now I essentially get remote programming of shows for free!

      Clearly there are things I'd like to see added (such as skip tracks fwd/back, screen effects, etc) but HoMO is great!

  27. Crippled? Barely... by Ezmate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The real power of TiVo can be found here: -A list of all your recorded programs (just browse through to see what you want to watch) -Program once, record forever (even if the show changes time slots) -Pausing live TV (great for potty breaks & getting a snack - you don't have to wait for a commercial) -Rewinding live TV (Whoa! Was that a boob I just saw?!) -Beautiful & instant Pause -Insanely speedy fast-forward & rewind (60x play speed by default - can be "hacked" to be faster) -Recommended programs that are automatically recorded I have a TiVo & the 30 second skip button is nice (yes it's an easter egg), but the "super-fast-forward" will generally get you through the commercials in 5 seconds (instead of the 2 seconds that it takes to hit the skip button 8 times), and it starts playing the instant you hit the play button. People who make the decision to buy a TiVo based on the 30-second skip button probably don't understand the product. It does so much more... Since I've had TiVo, I watch more television shows than I used to, but I spend less time doing it (i.e. watching American Idol takes 20 minutes instead of 1 hour, most shows only takes 20 minutes instead of 30, you can get right to Dave Letterman's Top Ten List, etc.)

  28. TV is a drug. And that's a good thing. by jfengel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Like any drug, used occasionally, wisely, and with moderation, it can add pleasure to your life without ruining it.

    I like TV when I'm frustrated; it can reset my mind when I'm spinning on some issue. I like TV when I'm ill; it takes my mind off the suffering. I like TV when I have 30 minutes to kill and there happens to be an episode of The Simpsons on.

    It's a drug many, many people abuse, and I'm sure that's what you're thinking of in your post. If you're watching TV three hours a night, every night, it's clearly a drug that has begun to control you. If you're settling for the best thing on TV rather than getting on with your life, you're doing it wrong.

    To paraphrase Shakespeare: "Good TV is a good familiar creature, if it be well used; exclaim no more against it."

    I do wish most people would watch less TV, but I think that declaring TV in general to be a "disease" is counterproductive. Try thinking of it as a drug that too many people are addicted to.

  29. Perhaps companies should make better ads by tuffy · · Score: 1
    You do know that advertising is what pays for TV programming, broadcasting, etc., in the USofA, don't you?

    A lot of people in the USofA tune in to the Super Bowl solely to watch ads of a higher caliber than usual. If companies developing advertisements would make them more appealing on a regular basis, people would be more inclined to watch them rather than reach for the skip button.

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    Ita erat quando hic adveni.

    1. Re:Perhaps companies should make better ads by Ramshackle · · Score: 1

      Umm, no. They tune in to see these high quality ads for the first time. After a couple viewings of even teh funniest commercial, if given the option, people are going to want to skip it.

  30. never bought one by kel-tor · · Score: 1

    the commercial skip feature wasnt useful enough. as a consumer i want to skip the ads. they take that away, and theres one less reason to buy one. they shoulda learned from intuit, that making things worse for the consumer hurts the bottom line, making things better for disney helps them avoid frivolous lawsuits. first company with a good commercial skip will drive them out of business. my mom always told me that intelligence is not something you should avoid.

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  31. What are you smoking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look buddy, my ReplayTV does everything it's supposed to, and more. I have NEVER had the commercial advance cut out chunks of my shows. I have NEVER had a problem with any function of the device. Except for the fact that when I'm watching TV sometimes without the replay I get really confused when I see ads.

    Fuck ads. I hate ads. The ReplayTV is the coolest device i have ever bought.

    If they stop making them i guess its back to Kazaa for me to get commercial-free programming.

    Once again, FUCK ADS.

  32. Brings up an interesting idea. by zackbar · · Score: 1

    I've been toying with the idea of writing an ivr program (interactive voice response) on a spare machine as both an answering machine as well as a pbx. (caller has to select a number to get in, similar to the privacyguard.com stuff.)

    Combine that with freevo, and when the phone rings, the tv show freezes and the caller's number and name is displayed on screen.

    Or you could simply hit a button on the remote for Do Not Disturb, and only messages are taken (unless the user selects the Emergency option on the ivr software.)

    1. Re:Brings up an interesting idea. by zackbar · · Score: 1

      I had forgotten to mention that there is a java based answering machine program on sourceforge called TOEJAM.

      I believe it doesn't do ivr though, so you can't have the dialer press 1 for this, 2 for that, and 9 for emergency.

    2. Re:Brings up an interesting idea. by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1
      I think that's a cool idea but don't just stop there. Your implementation immediately made me think of the 'status' mode you see in an IM app.

      For instance, if you set your state to 'Busy' or 'Occupied' in some central way, the PVR wouldn't stop for phone calls, the phone would take messages rather than ring, your doorbell would be turned off and your computer would hide the WarCraft icon. :) Or something. I like it though.

      --
      If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
    3. Re:Brings up an interesting idea. by zackbar · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Doorbell....that brings up another idea.

      Get a webcam, or some other video feed of the front walk. When it detects motion, the pvr program freezes and shows instead the image from the camera.

      Then I'd just need a microphone near my chair and speaker outside so I could tell them to take a hike. (kidding) It would make it a lot easier waiting for people if I didn't have to wonder if I hadn't heard the doorbell, or race to the door when it does ring.

  33. i am a curious geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can replaytv run linux?

  34. Why Replay? by Zepalesque · · Score: 3, Informative

    Responding to all of the "I told you so" Tivo posts:

    The one reason that I bought a ReplayTV instead of Tivo is that I can plug the unit into my router and then download the recorded Mpeg2 files down to my primary computer, where I can then compress it into Divx or whatever.

    It is the open attitude that SonicBlue represented that eventually won me over. I can only hope the D&M is good about this too. If not... MythTV is probably in my future :)

  35. Good idea.... by zackbar · · Score: 1

    Buffy's gone and everything else is all reruns for the next two months anyway!

  36. Why is this controversial? by rubinson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm a bit confused as to why commercial skip/advance has become so controversial all of a sudden. VCRs have had these features for years: Panasonic, Sony. So why is this a big deal when it comes to PVRs?

    1. Re:Why is this controversial? by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 1

      It might be because the commercial advance on replay tv is automatic. (I think) If I understand it correctly, the Replay TV would skip commercials without your intervention. On the TIVO, not only is the 30 second advance a hidden option, you need to push a button.

    2. Re:Why is this controversial? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I understand, those "features" merely hold down the FF button for 30 seconds, 1 minute, etc., but may also use black-space as a delimiter. My point is, its still just like pressing the FF button on the remote.

      On every VCR I've ever used, when you fast-forward without stopping (as you would for commercials), you still SEE the picture. So while the viewer may not see and hear the full commercial, the advertisers are still getting some screen time (and some might argue, better screen time through inadvertant subliminal messages).

      With a DVR, you don't need to linearly fast-forward, and can truly skip the commercials.

    3. Re:Why is this controversial? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have owned a ProScan VCR for several years now. It has a few interesting features that I'm surprised people haven't picked up on.

      MovieAdvance and CommercialAdvance.

      CommercialAdvance is *by far* the greatest feature. I set my program to record and let it go. It will record as you'd expect. Except, at the end, it then goes back over the show (assuming nothing is queued up to record after it) and runs through the show marking the commercials. It takes a couple of minutes and then it's done.

      When I go to watch the show, I just hit play and watch as usual. When it hits a commercial a blue screen (no jokes please) pops up and the VCR automagically fast-forwards past the commercials. Never once has it screwed up, it *always* returns to picture just as the show is coming back on.

      The other feature which I rarely use since I don't rent tapes anymore is the MovieAdvance. This actually causes the VCR to fast-forward past all of the advertisements and FBI warnings at the start of the tape and begins rolling at the start of the movie.

      The CommercialAdvance feature is the primary reason I refuse to by a DVR. Until one offers me the same feature (no hassle commercial skipping) I see no reason to switch. Oh, and for the content producers out there, the VCR DOES record your ads, I just don't see them. You have no right to force me to watch your ads. I have every right to skip them.

    4. Re:Why is this controversial? by jazman · · Score: 1

      My system is much less technologically advanced. Since Sky insist on padding all the advert breaks out to the maximum 5 minutes (three per hour exceeds their legal maximum of 9 minutes per hour but despite a direct complaint to the watchdog they did nothing) and my video fast forwards at a very predictable rate, all I do is record everything I want to watch, then when the ads come on, hit FF, look away, count 20, then hit Play just as the program starts, with a very high degree of accuracy. Plus I get the health benefits of focussing on something else for 60 seconds per hour!

    5. Re:Why is this controversial? by greed · · Score: 1

      Those features have also been licensed by Panasonic; I've got two S-VHS decks with them.

      The default setting for CA is manual, but a quick trip to the menus sets it to automatically skip on playback.

      It isn't 100% IME, but it is most likely to miss a commercial than to skip during the show.

      Movie Advance has been useless. When I rent tapes, they're seldom Hollywood. So the thing scans for a bit, then winds all the way back to the beginning because there wasn't anything to skip.

    6. Re:Why is this controversial? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is automatic on Replay TV. It's also automatic on the VCRs listed.

  37. BS. I would. by hummassa · · Score: 1

    In the scenery where I don't pay for ads in the food, clothing, cars, etc prices, I would wholeheartedly give the money (even some US$ 300) for the production of the shows I like.
    An advantage: if Berman and Braga started making my favorite show suck, I would cut their budget!

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  38. the new owners of Replay should just... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

    ...drop Replay itself and exchange its intellectual property with Tivo in exchange for a Tivo hardware/software license and a stake in the company. In the end, they'll save themselves a lot of legal problems and they can carve themselves out a profitable niche for more advanced Tivo hardware...better that than spend a ton of money trying to educate consumers why their Replay TV system is *better* than the prevailing Tivo and Dish Network DVR platforms... Last time I heard, Replay had less than 100k customers, Tivo had over 700k, and Dish has 1 million PVR customers...

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    "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
    1. Re:the new owners of Replay should just... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Tivo has yet to post a profit and is in serious debt this year!

    2. Re:the new owners of Replay should just... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      and how many times has Replay gone under or taken their parent company under? Quick, lemme count that out...

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      "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
    3. Re:the new owners of Replay should just... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And Tivo has yet to post a profit and is in serious debt this year!
      TiVo has just posted their latest numbers; their costs have been dropping, and their revenues steadily rising, for the past several years; they beat expectations, and had a very small quarterly loss. TiVo is on track towards profitability within a year. Replay, on the other hand, has gone broke twice; first it was bought out by Sonic Blue, and then by D&M.

      The original poster has a point. The cost to D&M of maintaining the existing Replay subscribers will be high, even without upgrading the software or developing new versions of the Replay hardware and software platform. And the chance of eventually turning the existing Replay installed base into a profitable enterprise is very small, and many, many years away.

      Why should D&M throw their money away on a software service, when their strength lies in producing hardware? Give TiVo the existing Replay subscribers (a loss for TiVo to support) in exchange for the Replay intellectual property rights and patents, and perhaps a D&M stake in TiVo stock, and let D&M keep the ReplayTV name and trademarks for use with whatever future TiVo product they produce.

      I'd dearly love to see a TiVo integrated into a home theater surrond sound stereo receiver! D&M already make these; it would be a perfect match.

      As it stands, if they continue to develop Replay, D&M is doomed to be a distant also-ran to TiVo, at a time when TiVo has yet to figure out a way to integrate its product with cable boxes, as the cable companies prefer to keep control over their own dumbed-down PVR boxes. There is hardly much room in this market yet for TiVo, much less for an also-ran like Replay.
    4. Re:the new owners of Replay should just... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      my sentiments exactly...Great job on articulating that so clearly... I fear D&M will sell out to Microsoft...

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      "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
  39. What does the 30 second skip have to do with this? by Captain+Morgan · · Score: 1
    Between that and the 30 second skip function, I'm surprised ReplayTV has lasted this long!

    So skipping commercials isn't allowed? How about getting up to use the bathroom when a commercial comes on? Give me a break, as much as the networks will complain about commercials being skipped they don't have much choice do they. If they send you the data you have every right to record it and play it back at a later time, skipping parts of shows, commercials, anything you want.

    Chris

  40. No-brainer by Wo-Fat · · Score: 1

    OK to summarize:

    I buy the Tivo OR ReplayTV for one reason and one reason only, to make more time for myself.

    I am a busy guy (read: Pr0n) and don't have the time to look up shows and watch them when they are on. Tivo or ReplayTV do this for me.

    I also like the speedy set up. The Tivo integrates directly with my satellite, automatically updates itself, and basically requires no maintenance on my part. I want to just sit down in front of my TV and watch whatever shows I missed while I was working, looking at pr0n, whatever.

    Right off, this means Freevo or similar probably won't work for me. It is too kludgy and time consuming to set up and maintain (key point is patching). Plus the guides in it aren't as good. Lastly, I don't want to maintain extra computers (I already look after 2 Solaris and 3 x86 systems... I don't want any more).

    BUT! The other half of the Tivo service that gives me extra time, is the ability to skip commercials. A normal hour of television has about 15-20 mins in ads. I can skip these and fit in another half-hour (commerical free) show!

    If you take away the commercial skips, you take away half of the benefit. Now your providing a lesser product, but still charging the same price. To me it is a no-brainer. Either they can lower the price to match, or people (at least those like me) won't buy it, if they do this.

  41. Shutting oneself off from information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I don't own a TV"

    That is nothing to be proud of, unless it turns out you have one through borrowing or rental.

    "They got out of it around the same time TV began pushing the boundaries..."

    That is what new information often does: broadens horizons.

  42. VCR's have commercial skip too by ccandreva · · Score: 1

    I have an RCA VCR that is about 5 years old and has commercial skip. After it records a program, it rewinds, scans the show, and 'marks' the commercials. On play-back it can automatically fast-scan through them.

    As far as I know RCA still sells VCR's with this feature. While you don't have all the features of a digital machine, at least you don't have to worry about them automatically 'upgradeing' your machine and removing features !

  43. Who are they working for, anyways? by Dejohn · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't purchase a PVR unless it had a commercial skipping feature.

    I also would never purchase a ReplayTV, purely on the basis of their EULA. Ever read it? It grants them the right to change the feature set on your device whenever they choose. So curent owners may see useful features dissapearing at anytime!

    Good luck!

  44. Watch More TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " wish there were a way to filter out the smug, self-righteous "kill your television" evangelists who invade every TV-related thread for the sole purpose of telling us we're wasting our lives. TV is no more evil than books or movies, and avoiding TV does not make your life inherently better."

    Hear, hear! TV is just information. The more information, the better. "Kill your television" comes from the same "censor those evil outside ideas" mentality that the book-burners in the South and Nazi Germany thrive on.

    1. Re:Watch More TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that TV isn't even good information!

      From Understanding Media - The Extensions of Man by Lewis H Lapham:

      "To contrast [TV] with the film shot, many directors refer to the TV image as one of 'low definition,' in the sense that it offers little detail and a low degree of information, much like the cartoon."

      Not the best of quotes, but it gets the idea across.

  45. Coke vs. Pepsi by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Manufacturer pays for advertising so that consumer knows goods exist

    I can understand this in the case of RC Cola, but at least five nines of the audience already know that Coca-Cola and Pepsi exist.

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  46. Not the end of the world! by jbarr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a long-time ReplayTV owner (have a model 2001, 2020, and a 5040) for me, this really is no big deal at all.

    First off, it only affects the 5000 or newer series. So, two of my three ReplayTV boxes will be unaffected.

    Second, some have had great success with Commercial Advance, but I never had much luck, so I never use it.

    And third, the Internet File Sharing for me is another non-issue. Given the upstream cap on my Internet connection, show sharing is just plain prohibitive.

    Dinally, let's not confuse "Internet File Sharing" with in-house program streaming between ReplayTV boxes on the same LAN. This feature is NOT being removed. This is the one feature for me that makes the 5040 worth it--it lets me seamlessly offload shows using the DVArchive app to my PC where storage is cheap and either stream them back to the ReplayTV box or burn them to DVD.

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    1. Re:Not the end of the world! by duplicate-nickname · · Score: 1

      It's good to see others from the forums over here defending a great product. ;)

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  47. 30 second skip not going anywhere by duplicate-nickname · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't see anything in the article that mentions the 30 second quick skip. They are talking about Commercial Advance (which jumps over commercials automatically when it detects them) and the send show feature.

    I'm sure many RTV owners will agree with me that having the ability to send shows over the internet is pretty pointless (it can take hours to days to send one). That feature is probably rarely used my most. However, in the process, D&M better not remove the ability to stream shows from other RTVs on your LAN. That would sucks and break DVArchive (which is probably the biggest selling point of Replays).

    Now Commercial Advance is a nice feature, but it only works on about 1/2 of the shows I watch, and on that half it doesn't work flawlessly. It wouldn't kill me to lose this features, but it is one of the reasons why I bought a Replay instead of Tivo.

    Lastly there is the 30 second skip. There is no talk of removing this feature...and they better not. Being able to "shorten" show watching time is one of the big reasons for owning a PVR in the first place. This feature is a must!

    And for those who don't know, you can do a X minute skip by typing the number of minutes on the keypad and pressing skip. 3 + Skip works well to skip over a lot of commercials. ;)

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    1. Re:30 second skip not going anywhere by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 1

      I'm sure many RTV owners will agree with me that having the ability to send shows over the internet is pretty pointless (it can take hours to days to send one).

      Though it might be somewhat useless now, in the future, when broadband becomes faster, it will be a great feature.

      It is along the lines of MP3s, which when you had dial-up, took forever to download and send, but now can be obtained in only a few seconds.

      Of course, the most obvious use of that feature would be illegal distribution, but there are some very compelling uses for that feature:

      - Watching shows from your ReplayTV from another house, television, computer, handheld device (like a video phone) (or from work!)
      - Storing your videos on a central server (Imagine a website like a videos.yahoo.com, where you can store all your videos and watch them from anywhere).
      - Renting videos via your ReplayTV... downloading them and electronically "returning them". The bill can go straight to your Replay TV bill. The smart thing for them to do would be to allow the user to keep the video for extra days and return it late for a fee (if they so wanted). The replay machine could also have an option for "automatic return" at the end of the rental period.

      All the feature would need is some sort of legitimacy. Sort of like how Apple gave digital music (mp3s or AACs, as the case may be) legitimacy.

    2. Re:30 second skip not going anywhere by bazabba · · Score: 1

      I'm sure many RTV owners will agree with me that having the ability to send shows over the internet is pretty pointless (it can take hours to days to send one). That feature is probably rarely used my most.

      Don't be so sure. Have you ever seen the communiities started to share shows? Try:

      http://www.planetreplay.com
      or do a quick search of Yahoo! Groups
      http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=replaytv
      Particularly
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/replaytvsharing/

      I've sent and recieved my fair share of shows over my Cable internet and have no complaints. I just set it and forget it. I record enough shows to keep myself occupied while I download other shows. Now I don't have to kick myself for missing the season finale of my favorite show(s).

      Now Commercial Advance is a nice feature, but it only works on about 1/2 of the shows I watch, and on that half it doesn't work flawlessly. It wouldn't kill me to lose this features, but it is one of the reasons why I bought a Replay instead of Tivo.

      I, too, purchased the ReplayTV for the CA. Mine has worked from the start. It works flawlessly on 80% of my recordings. Another 5% works with glitches (skips too far) and the times it doesn't work the 30second skip works like a charm.

      And for those who don't know, you can do a X minute skip by typing the number of minutes on the keypad and pressing skip. 3 + Skip works well to skip over a lot of commercials. ;)

      On 4xxx machines I believe the button on the remote is JUMP. This is another feature I have grown to love.

  48. Religious freedom for me only. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Judaism, Christianity, Islam. What do they all have in common?"

    You certainly have no idea.

    "Go back to your apologist boards where people don't question the dominant religious teachings."

    Nothing to apologize for. What boards do you use to be indoctrinated in your faith and fire up the bigotry against those who do not have your religion?

    1. Re:Religious freedom for me only. by Taldo · · Score: 1
      You certainly have no idea.

      Yet you fail to explain exactly where I might be 'wrong.' What a surprise.

      So.... none of the above religions teach that humanity is inherently evil and requires salvation?

  49. Don't overlook SageTV by gatekeep · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm noticing a lot of posts along the line of 'This is why you should use MythTV..'

    Don't overlook SageTV!

    While it's not free, nor open source, it's the most incredible PC-based PVR I've seen to date. At only $59.95, it's a bargain. Program guide data is FREE! Upgrades are FREE! And the pace of development has been outstanding.

    In it's current build, it supports;
    - Multi-tuner, multi-lineup recording (satellite on one card, cable on the other.. or two cable captures, or five.. whatever.)
    - Recording to either Mpeg2 or Mpeg1 format (for easier portability to DVD-R or VCD.)
    - Network streaming to other PCs
    - Automatic recording of favorites, as well as suggestions based on your viewing history (which is easily disabled.)
    - XMLTV listings import (if for some reason, free listings aren't good enough for you.)
    - Dscaler support and plugins (much better quality than MythTV, Tivo, or Replay on my HDTV.)
    - Audio library management..

    Features they're saying will come 'soon' include;
    - HDTV Support
    - DVD Playback

    It's not free, but it's definitely a value. The way the guys at Frey Technologies are adding features is just unbelievable. Sometimes, free solutions are not the best.

  50. You sound like an alcoholic by BandSaw · · Score: 1
    Or like a smoker from 30 years ago..

    "I don't have a problem, and I get enraged when someone mentions that I might!"

    Open your eyes, dude.

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  51. Comercial Advance works now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the recent move to 5.0 software, commercial advance has become rock solid. It is one of the best features of the box. DNNA will be idiots if they remove one main feature that separates them from TIVO. Why would anyone want ReplayTV if it is the same as TIVO and TIVO appears to be more stable.

  52. SDK by asscroft · · Score: 1

    They should have simply released an SDK and someone would have added this functionality for them. If you're an amateur enthusiast programming your ReplayTV and you learn how to skip 30 seconds, well, how is that a) illegal or b) thier fault.
    probably would give us lots of other cool things too, but what the hey.

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  53. Details on how CA Works? by Aidtopia · · Score: 1

    Slightly off-topic, but does anybody know how CA works? What in the TV signal distinguishes the program from the advertisements? Does Replay have a patent on this technique?

    1. Re:Details on how CA Works? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a small white block (as it appears on the screen) that appears in the top-left of the picture. Usually this is off-screen, but some TVs display more of the image than they should, so sometimes you can see it.

      5 seconds before a commercial is to begin this small white block appears and flashes. One second before the commercial, it becomes solid. It disappears the moment the commercial begins.

      Not sure about the reverse process (detecting when the commercials are over) but I believe it works the same. What we're probably seeing is something in the VBI (vertical blanking interval) like the closed-captioning data. (It's in the black part between frames too)

    2. Re:Details on how CA Works? by DonGar · · Score: 1

      Basically, CA works by guessing. That's why it's imperfect.

      There are several different things you can try to key from..... the fades to black between TV and commercials, the louder audio in commercials, standardized commercial break intervals, the break in the video sync signal as commercials are patched into the real content, etc.

      However, non of these things are perfect, and broadcasters aren't about to tag commercials in any convenient way. In fact, if DVRs were more popular, I would expect them to start trying to find ways to break CA, or related techniques.

      I'm not sure exactly how Replay does it (being a TiVo owner), but it seems to me that for a reasonable chance at being reliable, the DVR would need to spend some time doing non-linear analysis of the recording before playing back with CA type behavior.

      Still, without tagging by the broadcasters, CA type functionality will always be like spam filtering is. Pleasant when it works, but imperfect.

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  54. Pr0n without a TV set by yerricde · · Score: 1

    What the hell do these no TV no-goodnicks watch PORN on?

    Personal computers can play erotic DVDs and erotic video streamed from the Internet. Both literary and visual erotica are available in dead-tree format, often from a public library.

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  55. The 30-second skip is better anyway by iabervon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've not found commercial advance to do a good job of identifying the commercials, and always turn it off. The skip forward feature is just as effective, particularly if you're watching a show you watch frequently enough to know the pattern of the commercials.

    I think the networks should align the commercials very regularly, such that a 30-second skip will give you a few frames after the start of each commercial. I've been watching TV with a ReplayTV recently, and haven't seen any of the commercials people have talked about. Ideally, people would skip all of the commercials which aren't targetting at them and watch the ones that are because they're interesting.

    Ads between shows are also effective, since ReplayTV continues to play the audio while you're selecting a show and doesn't let you skip if there's nothing to skip to.

  56. Frank Lloyd Wright heard from by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    Another Wright quote:

    "If it keeps up, man will atrophy all his limbs but the push-button finger""

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  57. No. He meant "abridged" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even the abridged versions are extremely long.

  58. Re:What does the 30 second skip have to do with th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree. Plus, skipping commercials lets me watch 6 hours of TV in about 4 hours, sometimes less.

  59. Re:TV is a drug. And that's a good thing. by Kunta+Kinte · · Score: 1
    I like TV when I'm frustrated; it can reset my mind when I'm spinning on some issue. I like TV when I'm ill; it takes my mind off the suffering. I like TV when I have 30 minutes to kill and there happens to be an episode of The Simpsons on.

    I agree with that sentiment. TV is a lot like a mild drug in the sense that it's a habit with small psychological payoffs.

    Enjoy the occason round of drinks, but know why you drink. There's an old saying "drink because you're happy not because you're sad".

    In other words, the problem is a lot of people haven't figured out "why" they spend so much time watching television. And often they really want to be doing something else, but don't feel motivated enough to do it, or fine what it is.

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  60. Tivo financials... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

    read it here: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=49 4&ncid=763&e=3&u=/ap/20030523/ap_en_tv/earns_t ivo

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  61. I did stop... by SydShamino · · Score: 1

    Actually, my wife and I DID stop watching TV for about two years, entirely... Everquest just took up too much time to follow TV shows.

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  62. Someone should start selling myth based PVRs by Unregistered · · Score: 1

    I'm supprised no company sells mythtv based PVRs. Go ahead and do all the setup and sell a redy to go box. Myth is a bitch to set up(compared to tivo), but once it's working it's as easy to use.

    1. Re:Someone should start selling myth based PVRs by r1ckt3r · · Score: 1

      Not likely. What if the listings providers changes their website? Updating the software would be a nightmare for technical support of said company. This has been heavily talked over on the mythTV mailing lists. It's just not viable.

      My 2 cents.

  63. It won't happen by egarland · · Score: 1

    I'm no lawyer but I can't imaging a company could sell a device with an advertised commercial skip function and then remove it later. I would believe that they are considering removing the feature from *future* ReplayTV's. That would make sense.

    The comercial skip feature feature is great! It doesn't work so well on a lot of the high-budget teenyboper shows with quick cuts and no blank frames inbetween the shows and comercials but so far it has worked perfectly on the history channel every time. It also doesn't work well on shows with a lot of mostly black frames like Angel and Buffy. It doesn't skip the last comercials in a show so you do still see some comercials even if it works flawlessly. Comercials are so much less annoying now though, that I don't mind seeing a few.

    The barriers for entry into the PVR market are lowering. It's time for some new blood in this arena. I've had a ReplayTV for a while now and I'm impressed with it but it's been a few years since the Tivo and ReplayTV first came out and there hasn't been much advancement since.

    Where are the PVRs that can encode to and play MPEG 4? Where are the PVRs with a DVD drive that will also rip and store audio CD's as MP3's? Were are the PVR's that can burn their shows to a DVD or SVCD? Where are the PVRs that can stream shows to/from a PC in a nice standard format (the Replay's mpeg2 files are messy, most programs don't like them and it can't play mpeg's that it didn't create.) These are all things that are so easy that you could almost hack the existing machines to do it and yet it hasn't been done. Are these companies so afraid of being sued that they won't even try and give consumers what they want?

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  64. 'Good' Commercials Have Nothing to Worry About by LilMikey · · Score: 0

    Accorting to TrafficRanking.com AdCritic is more popular than Cinemax online and Showtime online. If the commercials are good people will seek them out.

    AdCritic: 53935
    Cinemax: 60065
    Showtimeonline:214773

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  65. CmdrTaco is surprised ReplayTV has survived... by geekinexile · · Score: 1

    But of course they haven't, they were acquired by SonicBlue, which went bankrupt. Presumably the new owners D&M would like to avoid the same fate, hence removal of the consumer friendly features.

  66. There's an easy solution, build your own TIVO! by Anita+Coney · · Score: 2, Informative

    About 6 months ago I built my own computer/TIVO based around ATI's AIW Radeon 8500DV, which comes with their fantastic RemoteWonder. ATI's latest software has a 30 second skip feature, plus you can set up custom buttons to skip back or forward 3 seconds to get exactly where you want to be.

    My family can watch the recorded shows on any computer throughout the house. We can pause live TV. ATI's software identifies the station and gives the program's name (which is great for surfing). You can also set it up to check what's on all of your favorite channels at the same time!

    Plus, you can use if to store you music collection (which you can also play throughout the house) and for games.

    And best off all, you can build such a system for less than $500 bucks and you'll never have to pay monthly fees.

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  67. Can't cancel cable by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    "Cancel cable service."

    Sorry, I have to admit I like The Simpsons. If I cancel cable, I won't be able to see it anymore.

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  68. Ford may drop "Antilock Brakes" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Detroit (AP) - Ford Motor Company said it would likely leave some controversial features on its motor vehicles for now but may strip them from new models.

    Ford, the American automaker which is approaching its 100 year anniversary, said it is mulling the fate of its automobile features which allow them to stop more quickly and safely than autos utilizing traditional brake systems.

    "We want to respect the intent of body repair shops, and give consumers everything that they can get," said J. Random Moneybags, an executive at Ford.

    Moneybags added that Ford models selling today still include airbags and seatbelt options, but the company has not made up its mind about including those features in future products.

    Ten years ago when Ford introduced its 4000 series of airbags, that feature upset major healthcare players, which filed lawsuits against Ford claiming that its safer autos robbed them of revenue.

    Moneybags said the old lawsuits remain with Ford, but current Ford models still offer the features that prompted the ire of those auto repair and healthcare companies.

  69. Higher volume "myth"? by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

    That is a myth. Radio/TV engineers keep the volume the same. Look on the net and you'll find discussion.

    Sometimes the commercial seems louder, if the TV show doesn't have people running around yelling as loudly as the announcer is saying "SALE! SALE!".

    If you look on the net you can find discussions supporting almost anything. So although you can argue that the "SoundRite" feature in this advertised zenith television which supposedly "automatically corrects the annoying difference in volume levels that frequently occur between programs and commercials" is just playing to that myth, I can argue that those net discussions you speak of are BS.

    In fact...I do argue that. Simply because I've heard differences in volume that are too great for me to attribute to a difference in activity level (especially during high action movies with explosions and the such)

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    1. Re:Higher volume "myth"? by Eccles · · Score: 1

      The people who create the commercials go for the higher volume (often amplifying them into distortion, especially local commercials), even if the TV engineers don't munge with the audio level themselves.

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  70. Dumb question: Why no random access by guanxi · · Score: 1

    I was playing with my brother's Tivo, and was shocked to discover it had no random access, or at least not that I found.

    Why can't I tell it, 'Advance to point 38:14', and have it skip there? It's running off a hard drive, right? Why this ridiculous serial access?.

    1. Re:Dumb question: Why no random access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With ReplayTV you can advance (or rewind) to any point in a recording in 1 minute intervals. You push 38 + Quick Skip and you're 38 minutes into the show, etc..

      It seems that TiVo vs. ReplayTV debates are always colored by people on both sides that haven't used the other device. I've tried both and find the Replay to be a better machine for me. It doesn't have the Fisher Price/Win XP-esque interface with all the kooky sounds and doesn't have it's features dictated by corporations that are heavily invested in broadcast TV (which is why TiVo hasn't even tried a Comercial Advance feature).

      Sure, Replay doesn't have some of the features that TiVo does (the show suggestion thing, for instance), but they're all things that I found to be of little or no use other than to fulfill basic curiosity about how they work.

      There are numerous other comparisions and complaints that I could bring up about both machines, but the best advice is to use both of them for a while and see what you think (Circuit City has a pretty lax return policy, after all. :) ).

  71. Get a DVB card by shepd · · Score: 1

    Honestly, they are 1/4 the price of any of these machines, and do a much better job of archiving shows, as they record the raw MPEG-2 stream from the satellite.

    That and most of the companies keep all their specs and libraries open.

    Oh, and they usually work in Linux, too. Plus there's PVR software for them, and I don't think the authors are about to remove features like ReplayTV.

    Something to think about...

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    1. Re:Get a DVB card by evilviper · · Score: 1

      DVB would be cool, if most of us could recieve DVB, and it would have to be unencrypted as well. I hear it works great in the UK, but the rest of the world is out of luck there.

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    2. Re:Get a DVB card by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say how to do this, but I don't want to go to jail.

      Let's just say that most digital satellite signals (apart from DTV / DigiCipher) are ALL DVB compliant in NA and that I haven't met a satellite signal that wasn't cracked (apart from the exceptions) on a DVB card.

      Do some searches, I'm sure you'll find what you need to know.

  72. HOWTO: 30 second skip on TiVo by IO+ERROR · · Score: 1
    Sure, Tivo has the 30 second skip if you have the right model and you enter in the Easter Egg, but most people don't surf around for Easter Eggs and therefore aren't aware of it


    You mean this one: While watching any show, hit SELECT > PLAY > SELECT > 3 > 0 > SELECT. Hear the satisfying DINGDINGDINGDINGDING! noise. Your Advance button now does 30 second skip.


    You need to enter it again if you reboot your TiVo.

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  73. Re:Higher volume "myth"? True & False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    True: Anyone can hear that the ads are louder

    False: The loudest parts of the ad aren't any louder than the loudest parts of a show.

    The sound in the ads is compressed, ie. the frequencies are compressed. There is less dynamic range. The audio is run through a compressor which squishes the highest and lowest frequencies.

    Lots of pop music does this. It sacrifices dynamic range for a punchier sound. Listen to an older recording (a symphony; Dark Side Of The Moon...) and watch the meters. They peak at parts that don't sound that loud. This is the stuff that gets compressed away. Soundtracks, like Pink Floyd, care about preserving the full dynamic range of the sound; pop songs and ads don't. They just want your attention.

    By running the signal through a compressor, all the rest of the frequencies can be boosted up to the peak level. If you look at the meters for an ad, they hover around the peak level. So more of the sounds are more consistently louder - but at their loudest, the ads aren't any louder than the shows.

  74. I love my RTV. by MortisUmbra · · Score: 1

    I personally have only seen it "cut out" the actual show twice in the 6 months+ I've had it, and I wouldn't trade Com. Adv. for anything! I love that feature!

    I will be really disappointed if they remove these two features, and I wonder what the legal right is for them to change it after the fact, I mean I know they reserve the right to make feature changes, but it seems a little sweeping and broad to me to say that you can advertise the product based on a, in this case, a couple features your competition does not have (and the deciding factor for me) and then remove them after the fact.

    I would hope that there would be some liability as to what "rights" these companies are allowed to reserve.

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  75. Re:Another crippled product MOD PARENT UP by irving47 · · Score: 1

    Agreed. Very insightful. I personally haven't upgraded because of the cost, and because I think my ability to extract video snippets from shows will disappear. On the plus side, the new units are faster and can get on my home network even more easily.

    As for more more more features, let's not over-geek the product to a point where it's scaring people away. There is a large enough market between the people that fear computers but are OK with their VCR's that TiVo would be wise not to frighten off with too many buttons/menus.

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    I had a sucky sig.
  76. Re:Another crippled product MOD PARENT UP by tgibbs · · Score: 1

    The hard thing to convey is just how well-designed the TiVo software is. Virtually everything from the remote to the system for setting recording priorities seems to work in a straightforward, intuitive way, and it manages to be very powerful without overloading the user with options. And I've never known the thing to crash. I was a bit skeptical of the Home Media Option, but once I installed it, all my photos and mp3's from the computer in the next room were "just there."

  77. The solution? PS2 + PVR! by booze_fairy · · Score: 1

    Here's how to fix this problem.

    Get a PS2 with a hard drive running Linux, an Open Source Linux ReplayTV emulator, and a ReplayTV subscription. ReplayTV probably sells their hardware below cost as a loss leader so they shouldn't have a problem letting Sony distribute an emulator as part of the official PS2 distro. Hell, they might even write it for them. With hardware that standard the install should be simple even for average users and everything should run like clockwork. Hacking an Open Source program to add "illegal" features is pretty easy and since the PS2 can play DVDs it should be able to handle playback.
    Since a lot of non-geeks have PS2s hooked up to their tv's anyway it isn't as intimidating as getting something like MythTV working. If Sony did this... PS2=God, XBox=Extinct.

  78. Commercial Advance not work... huh??? by DustoMan · · Score: 1

    I have a ReplayTV 4540 and the commercial advance works wonderfully! The only time it ever fails is when the shows are dark, and the Replay uses the fade in/out before/after commericals to help mark where commericals begin and end. Some ReplayTVs shipped with software versions that broke the CA feature. Those have since been fixed with software updates that have been pushed out within the last two weeks. I'm not really suprised about this news. Broadcasters have HATED the commercial skip function of the ReplayTV. That coupled with the ability to share content of the internet (though at extreamly slow transfer rates) has made Sonic Blue and ReplayTV a target. On the plus side, I was suporised to see that software updates for the various ReplayTVs have continued displite the D&M buyout. The new feature to be added to all ReplayTV 4500 and 5000 series models is a "Season Pass-like" recoding feature and finally a real conflict manager.