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MacFixIt Details Mac OS X 10.2.8 Bugs
mneptok writes "Premier Macintosh troubleshooting site MacFixIt has just posted a detailed report on the bugs and broken features in Apple's latest point release for MacOSX. As reported previously on Slashdot, the 10.2.8 update was released and pulled within hours earlier this week. Many users upgraded before the update was pulled and are being bitten, and MacFixIt has run down the behavior you can attribute to Apple's goof."
My system works fine on 10.2.8, it seems to be an extremely small (but vocal) minority with problems.
And I'm able to do so because I didn't download the point release.
Started to, then thought better of it. Best to wait a few days. Maybe that's because I've used one too many Microsoft products or something.
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Begun, this flame war has...
Hi. My name is Rob. I'm an attractive young man. I'm a few years over 20 and I work on a geek website. I would like to share with you an incident from a year ago that changed my life.
It was late at night and I was alone in the basement of the geek compound. I'd lost track of the time, but was sure it was at least 1 or 2 AM. I'd lost track of time because I was so busy enjoying my collection of gay porn. The week before, I had stolen a CD with anal sex videos on it out of Michael's room. I don't think he knew it was missing, yet. He had been very busy censoring people for the past week and just didn't have the time to masturbate.
I was watching a video of a black man giving a blow job to a large asian man when I heard a soft moaning noise. I wasn't sure if it was part of the video or if it was real. It was a middle of the night and I was a bit uneasy about being in the basement, even if nobody dared come within 20 miles of the geek compound because of the horrible odor from the building. Quickly, I paused the video and listened closely.
For several seconds, it was dead quiet, but then I heard the noise again. I was sure it was real and it seemed to be coming from the room across the hall. Now I was quite afraid. I sat as still as possible and I heard a grunting noise coming from the same place. Immediately after, I heard a second grunt. Despite my fear, I quickly made up my mind to go investigate. Even though I was terrified, it was very important to me to be able to masturbate in peace.
I stood up, but I was so afraid, I forgot to pull my pants up. My tiny cock was straight as an arrow and hard as a rock, pointing about two inches in front of me. It was quiet now as I walked toward the doorway, still shaking from fear. The room across the hall was dark, and the hallway in between was lit only by flickering lights on the ceiling. Because the company I work for was (and still is) nearly bankdrupt, there just wasn't enough money to replace the light bulbs.
Slowly I walked to the doorway and out into the hall. It was still dead quiet. I glanced to my left and then to my right. I couldn't see anyone in either direction, so I proceeded into the room opposite mine. The door was open and the intermittent light from the hallway provided the only illumination. There was no sign of anyone in the room from the little I could see.
Suddenly, the silence was broken by another grunt. This time, it was louder and I was sure it was coming from inside the room. The noise startled me, though, and I had already begun to shit myself. I wasn't wearing pants, so I can't really say I shit my pants. But the shit hung down from my asshole as I fumbled along the wall to find the light switch. Another grunt came, this time louder, and it startled me enough that some of my shit hit the floor. I was still shitting myself, though. The smell of fresh shit was usually refreshing to me, but I was so afraid I barely noticed.
Finally, after several seconds, I found the light switch on the wall. While the lights flickered on, I heard the same grunting noise, and was sure it was coming from my right. I looked in that direction and saw piles of dirty clothes along the wall and a closet. The closet door was closed. I was terrified, but I knew I had to inspect.
As I approached the closet, I heard the same noise again. My hand was shaking, but I fought the tremors and swung the door open. To my surprise, I saw Jeff bent over with his pants down. Jon was standing over him with his pants also off and his tiny penis was rock hard and covered with blood.
I was mad. I was furious. How could Jon be doing this with my boyfriend. In my anger, I blew my load all over the closet, and at the same time, let out a huge fart.
"How could you? What the fuck?" I screamed as loud as I could. In my anger, I grabbed Jon's hand and pulled him out of the closet. After that, I grabbed his neck and bent him over. I stepped behind him, and with my bare hands, I tore his asshole open. He let out a scream. In
First Post. I upgraded and have no problems.
BAH! Fooled you mr man. all you gets is da troll stick.
At last they reached the last of the little booths, set down Marvin between them and rested in the shade. Fenchurch bought some cufflinks for Russell, cufflinks that had set in them little polished pebbles which had been picked up from the Quentulus Quazgar Mountains, directly underneath the letters of fire in which was written God's Final Message to His Creation.
Arthur flipped through a little rack of devotional tracts on the counter, little meditations on the meaning of the Message.
"Ready?" he said to Fenchurch, who nodded.
They heaved up Marvin between them.
They rounded the foot of the Quentulus Quazgar Mountains, and there was the Message written in blazing letters along the crest of the Mountain. There was a little observation vantage point with a rail built along the top of a large rock facing it, from which you could get a good view. It had a little pay-telescope for looking at the letters in detail, but no one would ever use it because the letters burned with the divine brilliance of the heavens and would, if seen through a telescope, have severely damaged the retina and optic nerve.
They gazed at God's Final Message in wonderment, and were slowly and ineffably filled with a great sense of peace, and of final and complete understanding.
Fenchurch sighed. "Yes," she said, "that was it."
They had been staring at it for fully ten minutes before they became aware that Marvin, hanging between their shoulders, was in difficulties. The robot could no longer lift his head, had not read the message. They lifted his head, but he complained that his vision circuits had almost gone.
They found a coin and helped him to the telescope. He complained and insulted them, but they helped him look at each individual letter in turn, The first letter was a "f", the second an "a", the third a "c", and then a "t". Then there was a gap. An "b" followed, then an "s" and a "d". Another gap.
Marvin paused for a rest.
After a few moments they resumed and let him see the "i", and the "s".
The last one was a long one, and Marvin needed another rest before he could tackle it.
It started with an "d", then "y" then an "i".
After a final pause, Marvin gathered his strength for the last stretch.
He read the "n", and at last the final "g", and staggered back into their arms.
"I think," he murmured at last, from deep within his corroding rattling thorax, "I feel good about it."
The lights went out in his eyes for absolutely the very last time ever.
Luckily, there was a stall nearby where you could rent scooters from guys with green wings.
My software update has been coming up for weeks saying there was a 10.2.6 update (which I haven't applied yet because I'm leery of all the problems others have had with point updates). The last time it popped up was a couple of days ago, but it still didn't say anything about a 10.2.7 update. And now there's a 10.2.8 that's already been pulled?? I was hoping they'd get their act together by now. They're practically making Windows Update look good by comparison.
Several MacFixIt readers have noted a problem where iMac and eMac systems (primarily) display a blue screen at startup rather than proceeding to the Desktop.
Ahh... seems I installed XP Service Pack 1 on my iMac by mistake. My bad.
Karma: Excellent Birds (mostly as a result of listening to Laurie Anderson)
I haven't experienced any of the problems listed in the article. The only thing that I've noticed since the upgrade was that my Keyspan USB->Serial adapter is no longer working.. which sucks when trying to configure a router :(
I've had 2 bad power adapters, 2 bad motherboards, and bad memory for my iBook. Which I got in March.
That's less than a month and a half between problems, on average. It's been a real pleasure.
They've honored the warantee at least.
When someone might yell at me, it has to be OpenBSD.
Diablo II LoD now goes all wonkers at 800x600 resolution... Also crashes at the Arreat Summit.
Not your typical bug report, but definitely related to 10.2.8
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I have recently upgraded from a Mac 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM to a new G5 dual 2GHz with AGP 8X and PCI-X to help me at my freelance gig where I needed to copy a 17 Meg file from my home network to a desktop folder. On the G5 it took about 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, my iPod will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Safari is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8MB of ram running MS Windows for Workgroups 3.11 is faster than this G5 dual 2GHz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
free ipod and free gmail!
When are people going to learn to wait a few days before doing an upgrade? How many times do you have to read about people getting burned?
Um, actually, if everyone waits, there'll be nobody to play the guinea pigs. Forget what I just said, unenlightened masses -- download immediately, for my benefit!
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Did anyone else see the same advertisement I did, with the two G4s, one monitor and a KVM switch? "Can't you guys just take turns?" "How cute, a happy threesome, all thanks to our KVM switch."
That is some funny s**t, but it's also so blatantly sexual and "perverted" that I was really surprised it was allowed on a non-adult website. Funny as hell though.
But .. it's a MAC! I thought it "just works"? I thought it "doesn't crash"? I thought it "works effortlessly"?
But I guess that's what happens when you believe apple's PR department.
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
You'd never have these kinds of software problems with a
tcd004
In fact, 10.2.8 fixed my most annoying problem with 10.2.6, which was that my mouse kept hanging every hour or so. I was able to fix it every time by unplugging it for a few seconds, but it's so much better not to have to bother.
It's funny how many problems people are willing to attribute to 10.2.8. The "Dual Display configuration" issue, for instance, has been present since 10.1. "Linksys Router needs new firmware" sounds completely unrelated to me; Linksys routers are crap anyway.
My personal rule is to wait at least a week from the date a patch is introduced before applying it to my system. There are enough adventurous Mac owners out there to test the waters and to notify the various Mac-related sites of whatever issues that may come up. If all seems quiet after a week, I'll do a fresh backup of my system and run Apple's Software Update.
And 10.2.8 is, I believe G4 or earlier only.
I don't want to start a holy war here, but I need to vent guys and here I hope I find sympathy! I HATE NETCRAFT! *BSD is dying
Yet another cripping bombshell hit my beleaguered TiBook as I spent the good part of five hours helping a friend at his freelance gig while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder on less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. 5 hours. The amazing thing is at home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this MAC, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. This serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Now, I got the job to fix this as I'm the "Computer Guy" and can generally help friends and family with there computer problems. I have never seen such a tragedy as the titanum powerbook! It is collapsing in complete disarray as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
In addition, The hand writing is on the wall; during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, straining to keep up as I type this, having lost 93% of its core developers.
OpenBSD leader Theo won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. MacOS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this TiBook at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine. A recent article put the TiBook at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 TiBook users.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems. MacOS is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
I don't, I really don't, see how Apple can claim to be tops in design. Even my A600 continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, My TiBook is dying.
Fact: TiBooks running BSD at a Freelance gig are dying.
I read at one point that 10.2.8 was "not recommended" for G5 systems, but it wasn't clear to me whether it would install at all.
If someone wants to send me a G5, I'll be happy to test it though!
Of course, it's not recommended for anyone now... :)
God, have you trolls have no shame????? GO back to the hole you came forth from and think a little longer about better troll posts.
http://www.kottke.org/98/11/
You stole this from a comment made on a blog from 11/98. You're a retard.
What? Mac OS X has no virtual desktop support?
Oh, I'll just install X Darwin and get virtual desktops that way.
What? I can't run regular Mac OS X apps through X? What the hell?
That's why I don't run OS X. That and... oh yea, to me, the GUI seems completely counter-intuitive. It's really a shame you can't run regular OS X apps through X, because then I might pay the ridiculous price for OS X. Panther looks promising (steps in the right direction, like Expose), but it cannot compete with a good X desktop when you need to get *real* *work* *done*. I still love the hardware though. Worth every penny.
"Nature doesn't care how smart you are. You can still be wrong." - Richard Feynman
Guess they made the first apple that bites you back? :)
*There's Klingons on the starboard bow, scrape em off Jim!*
Someone has released a utility to fix the problem until Apple releases the fixed update. The comments on it all seem to say it works well and takes care of things.
My buddy Aaron installed the update which was SAID to be stable. God only knows what happened to his laptop...I kept getting periodic status updates like, "I hate my powerbook!" and "I need a new computer." A few hours later he said it was a bad update. So he wiped his machine, did a clean install, and was running again. Aaron...if you are reading tell the nice people of your misery :*)
Life is like pants... fit in or you don't fit in.
I installed the update and have had no problems. I have an iBook 700mhz, and It even took care of that annoying poping noise coming from the speaking when operating on battery power.
I am jizzing on this whores face and kissed her head and fell from the sky akin to sw. fjall a ridge or valley.
It must be true I saw it on google.
and then the damn patch crashes your machine so that you have to reinstall the OS...
What?!? Apple!
Oh, I thought this was a Microsoft article.
Nevermind.
Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
jeez. :-)
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
I upgraded 6 systems to 10.2.8, including a Beige G3, an early iMac and a TiBook. Five are fine, one--a dual 450, the most common source of problems--couldn't access the internet until I downgraded the AppleGMACEthernet.kext file.
How the mighty have fallen! All hail OS/370!
This just in, homosexuality among *BSD users has skyrocketed. The cause has yet to be determined, however most sources indicate that it has something to do with *BSD users comforting each other in an strictly unusual way due to something strictly unusual, to be quite a frank about it, gay sex. On Monday *BSD was giving a sad prognosis, it is dying. An operating system dying you may be asking yourself? Your probably thinking how can an operating system like *BSD be living in the first place? Well, for that we will go to our market share expert Bruce "Netcraft" Petterson.
Bruce states that an operating system is considered dying when it's marketshare has decreased rapidly, like *BSD, another OS that shares the same pattern is BeOS. Following the course that BeOS took well I think it's fair to say Nothing short of a miracle can save *BSD.
*BSD probably won't have much longer to live. When news broke out, all hell broke loose. Jimmy an avid *BSD user had this to say:
"When I heard this news I was utterly devastated, so I went to my friend Darl, who is also a *BSD user. He didn't yet know of the unfortunate, and he didn't take it well. He broke down in tears, this is the second blow to him in a week, he found out that he contracted AIDS from a black prostitute on the street one lonely night. I said to Darl, well you know something *BSD is dying well I'm going with it, I pulled down my pants and bent over, Darl took care of the rest. I don't know if I have yet to get AIDS, but we have gay anal sex everyday, without any lubricant for maximum ripage. The *BSD mailing list I joined reports the same thing happening among the other *BSD users. We are all planning on having one massive gay orgy on Saturday, so if you want to go out and be with *BSD up in heaven, come join us."
Similar events such as Jimmy's have been seen popping up all over the U.S. and the rest of the world. It should also be noted that when this news had been release, Catholic Priests such as Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day have installed *BSD along side OS X on his Mac. He told our reporters this:
"I knew Apple Computers has a reputation for being the "Gay Computer", but I had no idea that Apple went to such great lengths to make sure OS X itself was totally queer, I'm glad they chose a *BSD core for OS X."
Well there you have it, *BSD because of its impending demise has turned it's users into homosexuals. On a related note, Apple computer sales are up 500%.
FACT: *BSD users are FAGGOTS!
It must be that Apple has finally made enough changes to the Mach microkernel that OSX is beginning to act like OS9, OS8, and OS7.
Amazing magic tricks
Apple has been hinting of late that it's becoming more uncomfortable with seeding pre-release software to developers. Routinely, leaks of the new features and builds in the latest versions of the software make it to the mac rumor sites within hours of being made available in the seed channels.
Of course the argument was that it was a necessary evil to put up with this stuff because the feedback that Apple received from developers (both in quality and quantity) helped catch glaring bugs.
10.2.8 news has been rampant through the rumor channels for a LONG time. Now that it's finally out, there are quick glaring holes that cause the recall of the update and lots of bad publicity for Apple.
I certainly hope Apple doesn't get paranoid about the release of new software to paying seed developers, but this is just another reason that the scale may be tipping toward the paranoid, closed-testing route than the limited open-seeding way it is today.
Uh, yeah, sorry everyone...I guess, I was just so excited about working on Panther that I just plain forgot to look at the bug reports for 10.2.8 ... sorry about that. Hey, it worked on my machine, what can I say?
Um...I'll take care of that right away...just as soon as I implement SuperCubeSpinExplode minimization in Panther...
I run a lab with an OS X server which relies on ssh for remote access, and all I wanted was a point patch to fix the ssh security hole announced two weeks ago.
However, Apple failed to provide us one. Instead, they rolled the patch into the 10.2.8 release, thus exposing anyone who upgraded solely for the security fix to additional instability caused by changes to other OS components.
I feel sorry for those server administrators who were unable to upgrade to 10.2.8 because it means the server is still vulnerable to the ssh security hole.
I'm running 10.2.8 on a version 2.1 powerbook with no discernable adverse results.
I've been aware of the pull, but have not opted to fix what I can't see as broken. More importantly, there are no (so far) service exploits reported. For those who have similar systems and have not encountered the problems described, I would recommend against the "archive and Install" option in the article for the time being.
Amen to that!
after struggling for a few days with the results of teh update i just finished resintalling 10.2.6. Most anoying thing was that my mac beige g3 wich was up for weeks with continious usage started crashing with a blank screen every few hrs once i started using the netowrk a bit. Heck i was coding a new nntp app (check out osxnews.sf.net heh, might as well plug it) and any heavy usage of the netowkr like downlaging lists would kill my mac. Dunno what it was but it was really sad to see it crach like that. :(
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
That guy is a known troll, he posts that same speech about his broken Mac all over the place, recently modified to include the G5. Don't believe a word of it.
Bugs Fixed in 10.2.8
1) Able to use a three button (or more) mouse. Requires external hardware.
2) People hate seeing that spinning wheel while your Mac just sits there and does shit all. It has been changed to a happy smiley face instead.
3) All Terminal app crashes have been eliminated by removing the Terminal all together.
4) People are always moaning about the chane in file permissions after an update. To fix this problem all permissions will now be set to World readable and writeable.
5) Because we supply an ancient version of the PHP module with Apache and have been laughed at by Slashdot vistors, we will now install the Developer Tools by default. Now if you don't like it - compile it yourself!
I just bought a new 15" Powerbook Aluminum, and it came installed with 10.2.7. I'm not sure how it differs from 10.2.6.
Obviously you don't own an Xserve, a PowerMac G4, or use any Bluetooth devices, for starters. All those pesky iMac/eMac users(hint: educational market) don't matter either, eh?
I use Bluetooth to sync the Address Book to the phone, and as a result of 10.2.8, Bluetooth no longer works properly. Many users with bluetooth keyboards+mice report similar problems with those devices.
It doesn't matter how "minor" the problems are- Apple has no excuse for not doing better QA. Whereas Windows must run on what must number well over a million different combinations of hardware- MacOS doesn't really have a very diverse set of hardware(there are only a limited # of ethernet chipsets/video cards/etc, only 3 current 'major' families of processors, etc). Why can't Apple do a better QA job?
Please help metamoderate.
Why doesn't Apple take a similar approach to, let's say, Debian, and apply an 'unstable branch' to OS X. That way users get to see what Apple is cooking up for their next release, and Apple gets a pool of danger-seeking users to test their code. Maybe Apple already does this--I don't know. But they are a proponent of Free software, and I don't see the harm.
Please enlighten me.
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Is that it does not run on x86 or Opteron processors.
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is an easy alternative way to update
It finally sunk in, while reading the repair instructions.
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Remember the Recall -> Recognition hype?
Where is everybody? no, cannot all be on dates. i know its saturday night but, if this was another post about m$ bad updates it would have over 400 replies already.
My iBooks have been improved by the 10.2.8 update... Safari is now stable, more speed overall , a very welcome update...
The 10.2.8 update seemed to break ethernet support on early G4 ("Sawtooth" and some later) systems. I think reverting to the earlier (10.2.6) version of the ethernet driver fixed this problem. This is the biggest problem with the 10.2.8 update.
;-)
On another not, for the first time I can remember, I did not apply this update to my "Sawtooth" G4 and so did not have a chance to experience this annoying problem. The reason for this was that I really couldn't be bothered since I've been playing a 10.3 beta and it runs beautifully. Seems its less buggy than the release version of 10.2.8!
You are either:
A) a damned liar, or
B) a complete nimrod fucknut pissant know-nothing.
A reboot fixed it, but this morning it started doing it again after waking the computer up.
This is a pretty sad scenario considering that only have one platform to take care of. Not like they have to run around and check bug fixes, enhancements with other OEM's
"After updating to Mac OS X 10.2.8, my Apple Cinema Display's resolution defaulted to 1600x1024 (it was previously 1600x1200), and the choice of 1600x1200 is no longer available at all within the Displays System Preference. The 1600x1200 option is just completely gone."
Yup, I'm having this problem. In fact, my entire Apple Cinema Display is missing, i.e. completely gone! Oh wait, that's because I don't even own an Apple Cinema Display. Never-mind, my bad.
A programmer is a machine for converting coffee into code.
I must just be more buffed and cooler than everyone else. :-) Bow to me!
--- Ban humanity.
Then my G4 wouldn't boot
I boot from the OS cd... the drive is WIPED CLEAN
Where are all my files, Apple?? Does someone have to sue Apple before they fix their fucking QA?
I didn't really have any serious problems with 10.2.8. The only odd thing was that I had to reboot one extra time because the screensaver kicked in and somehow hanged the machine. After that I repaired permissions (don't know why this helps, but it does) and everything was fine.
Except the function keys. For some reason, Apple insists on using the function keys for things like changing sound volume and turning up and down the screen brightness. I prefer being able to remap the function keys for applications, especially Emacs. The only way I know of to reclaim the function keys is to reboot into OS 9, toggle the boxes in the keyboard control panel, and then reboot into OS X. However, every software update of OS X forces me to repeat this process. That means three reboots on average for each software update (four this time, due to the problem above), which is pretty irritating given how slow my PowerBook starts up.
What I find curious is that although this is a longstanding issue, relatively few Mac users complain about it. I suppose it has something to do with most Mac users being accustomed to a mouse-centric experience rather than a keyboard-centric user interface. Or do people really need to change their screen brightness that often?
goatse
Apple actually evaluated what trying to 'embrace and extend' X to do what was needed. What Apple is providing is an Apple-original window system that is graphics model agnostic, as well as a vector drawing system that maps very well to PDF, which is a sort of PostScript without the non-graphical operators. This is packaged under the name 'Quartz' for easy reference by Marketing types. The window system is designed to support both buffered (like an offscreen PixMap) and unbuffered windows, and is graphics model agnostic, working equally well with QuickDraw, OpenGL, the Quartz drawing engine, X11, and third party solutions, and managing window geometry for the Classic, Carbon, and Cocoa environments. The server portion is a hybridization of screen arbiter and compositor models (and if that's all Geek to you, don't worry about it). The Quartz drawing engine supports drawing primitives similar to the graphics primitives that might be found in the DPSClient single-operator primitives library for X and NeXTSTEP. There are no math and flow control primitives, as these can be done more efficiently in the native compiled code. There are no DPS or PS wrappers, as this optimization for server-side graphics is not needed in the Quartz client-side graphics model. The operations provide imaging and path construction and filling operations as well as some interesting other bits that map well into the direction that 2D drawing is headed. (See Longhorn, or the X raster projects like Render.) The drawing engine can output to rasters (like a window!), as well as PS and PDF streams to feed printers. The Mac OS X printing system takes advantage of the capabilities of Quartz to support all sorts of printers, and make the life of printer driver developers much, much easier. Things we'd need to add/extend in X Window software (protocol+server+manager+fonts+...): 1) Extend font server and services to vend outlines and antialiased masks, support more font types, handle font subsetting. 2) Extend drawing primitives to include PS-like path operations. 3) Add dithering and phase controls. 4) Add ColorSync support for drawing and imaging operations, display calibration 5) Add broad alpha channel support and Porter-Duff compositing, both for drawing in a window and for interactions between windows. 6) Add support for general affine transforms of windows 7) Add support for mesh-warps of windows 8) Make sure that OpenGL and special video playback hardware support is integrated, and behaves well with all above changes. 9) We find that we typically stream several hundred megabytes/second of commands and textures for interactive OpenGL use, so transport efficiency could be an issue. So, yes, it looks like we can use X for Quartz. All we need do is define extensions for and upgrade the font server, add dithering with phase controls to the X marking engine, add a transparency model to X imaging with Porter-Duff compositing support, make sure GLX gets in, upgrade the window buffering to include transparency, mesh warps, and really good resampling, and maybe augment the transport layer a bit. Ummm... There doesn't appear to be much code left from the original X server in the drawing path or windowing machinery, and it doesn't appear that apps relying on these extensions can work with any other X server. Just what did we gain from this? It turns out that what Apple has in place actually makes a pretty good foundation for a X11 server. An X server would not be such a good foundation for what Apple needs.
Right Click on "My Computer"
Click "Properties"
Go the the "Advanced" tab
Click "Settings" under "Startup and Recovery"
Uncheck "Automatically restart" under "System failure"
Now when you get your next BSOD do the following:
* Note down the error including any parameters
* Run the error through Microsoft's Knowledge Base
* Run through the articles to see if its a known condition
BSODs are normally reserved for catastrophic failures (like the boot partition being damaged or broken RAM returning random information) and usually occur for good reason.
You know, i find it amazing. Apple has this one problem out of a LONG time and everyone automatically thinks the entire company is useless. Everyday, Microsoft gets sued and has MAJOR viruses, and one time Apple screws up a little bit, everyone flames them.
I will say I am extremely surprised for anything slipping through Apple's QA department, but give them a break, ya know. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes.
With both my G5 Dual 2Ghz AND my 17" PowerBook believe it or not.
My iPod (which I can afford) however remains completely unaffected. Go Figure!
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Wow, my first Flamebait rating, and I wasn't even trying. Note that I never said I minded the fact they were talking about a naughty little computer threesome, I was just surprised to see it on a public website. Because, I know a lot of other people who would get really offended by it. You can't say it wasn't blatant, because there was just no other way to interpret it.
This goes to the other guy who also thought I was complaining. I found the ad quite amusing. Nobody knows what I'm talking about anyway, so I'll shut up.
...but our Windows machines still manage to break something about twice a month due to windows updates. The amount of time we spend "fixing" after updates is quite the PITA. All we run on our machines is half a dozen games (its a LAN center, not like we install new SW every day or anything). WinXP has given us the "stability" to run for days at a time, we just can't run stuff we want to every time an update hits. Our center has 9 Windows machines (8 gaming machines, and a CD server) and 2 macs (web server, and cash register). The only times our macs have been restarted is after power outtages. The PC's are an entirely different matter
This is where I get my recommended daily allowance of "Foot in Mouth."
I must be smoking crack. I could have sworn I had a flamebait rating just a couple of minutes ago. GIVE ME BACK MY FLAMEBAIT RATING, YOU IMPERIALIST BASTARDS! I have my rights!
Disclaimer for any humor-disabled mods: This was a joke. We now return you to your regularly scheduled modding.
"Maybe this post will bring my first "Troll" rating."
Son, you aren't doing it right if you haven't had some butt finger mod you "Troll" for daring to say something that doesn't fall in with the official party line.
I'm a Mac fanatic but the people who gloss over the issues are one step beyond and not doing the platform any favors with their zealotry.
Great system, not perfect and in fact far from it. Better than Windows? Yeah, I think so but then what isn't? I've got about ten Macs at the house and I've had a couple that were flaky as all hell. I've also had a couple that you could patch with an NT4 Service Pack and they would probably just keep on trucking. Damned near bullet proof. I've never figured out why some were so fragile and others weren't. It is downright odd though.
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Regurgitating news from some other website/news source != reporting. "Previously published" I might buy.
/. useful as an aggregator and as a community, but the one thing it does not provide in any way shape or form is journalism. It's disrespectful to the people who put the sweat and shoe leather into PRODUCING content, not merely commenting upon it.
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Oh, we know -- we just don't give a rat fuck.
"You get what you pay for."
What you pay for:
Top of the line Computer
Top of the line OS
What you get:
Hardware that's two generations behind the performance curve
Bugs that make Windows look good by comparison
Yeah, I'm trolling, go ahead and mod this down...
Yeah, and how come people gloss over it when Spider-man illegaly snaps photos of bad guys without their permisssion and sells them, yet they come down so hard on Doc Ock when he does something illegal to make a buck?
Oh yeah that's right, because he's an EVIL SUPERVILLAN BENT ON CONTROLLING THE WORLD, while Spider-man is just a guy with a little power trying to do something cool and make a living at it. So hmm, I guess that's a perfectly normal and appropriate response.
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Try re-selecting & confirming the Keyspan in the Network prefs pane.
I have a Keyspan PDA (Palm) adapter that disappeared after the update. I re-selected it in the Network prefs pane, and then re-chose it in the Palm HotSync software- all was well. This has happened to me before- sometimes an upgrade makes the OS forget about the Keyspan.
Many posters are saying that the upgrade worked fine for them. In fact, this is true for me. I upgraded my PowerBook G4 and I'm fat and happy.
But think about it--those who were affected got their ethernet knocked out. They *can't* post their complaints to slashdot.
Where are all my files, Apple?? Does someone have to sue Apple before they fix their fucking QA?
Easy there mister troll.
I don't see anything in the MacFixIt notes about wiping hard drives, so if this actually happened, it's probably unrelated.
This one obviously got screwed up, but Apple has historically had a pretty good record for OS update stability.
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Why do you think I still own a Pismo? Fucking thing is built like a tank. I've replaced the power supply (human errors on my part, whoo), but this thing has sustained some serious hits and is still ticking. Compare to the tiBooks. I've seen a total of five or so in the field, only one of which wasn't cracked or fractured or broken in some fashion.
Haven't heard of any issues with the albooks, conversely. And everyone I know of with an iBook loves the little bugger.
I dislike the tibook- I'm certain you'd have a much more positive experience with other Apple hardware.
Now that it's finally out, there are quick glaring holes that cause the recall of the update and lots of bad publicity for Apple.
You realize 10.2.8 was release to the public, right? Not just developers?
Your post seems to be an argument in favor of developer seeds.
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Microsoft is bad enough, but I don't recall a lot of their updates causing people to need to reformat and reinstall from scratch once a month.
Are you seriously suggesting the problems in 10.2.8 are normal for Mac OS X?
Sure, every piece of software is going to have some problem with some individual's machine because people do strange things to their computers. But if memory serves, this is the first update in a long time that had to be pulled (I welcome corrections on that). I moderate OmniGroup's macosx-talk list. When more than a small number of systems have issues with a given release, I hear about it. With 10.2.8, there were problems. Usually there aren't.
Mac OS X hasn't crashed on either of my machines in 2.5 years, and from what I hear, that's not at all rare. Stability is the norm.
As for why Microsoft gets harassed more, why do you think? They sell themselves to the mainstream media as the one true software company, yet have lackluster products. It's a lot harder to say that about Apple. There's a good faith factor there that makes the difference when it comes to slashdot comments.
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No, it raises the question.
"Several MacFixIt readers have noted a problem where iMac and eMac systems (primarily) display a blue screen at startup rather than proceeding to the Desktop."
Blue screen, eh?
I fixed this security hole on a couple servers, took almost no time at all. $ emerge openssh (takes about 2 minutes to compile on a mid-end x86 server)
I really just don't know what advantages OSX server has. Ease of administration? I played with a RH server the other week, and every daemon was configurable with a nice GUI... I don't know how RH compares to the ease of using OSX server though.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
It sounds like a lot of the hardware with issues is several releases old, which isn't surprising in itself, but it is much better than Wintel machines - I would like to see a Lombard equivalent Wintel laptop running Win XP with all functionality, so things don't really seem to be all that bad. At least Apple is making an effort to keep the users who could run the system before up to date.
InfoSec that matters, when it counts.
From the article: Several MacFixIt readers have reported an inability to wake from sleep since installing the 10.2.8 update.
Odd, that was my reaction as well. And I don't even use a Mac! The number of affected users (low) and the complexity of the fix (plug into a 100base-T socket instead of a 10base-T) indicate not much to worry about. These could be huge problems for average home users (network? what network?), but how many of them are downloading OS updates anyway?
As a vereran of "dll hell" and several (admittedly early) problems with failed RPM's, I see this Apple problem as very minor. The "evil twist" in this story is that when the problem becomes apparent, it's not possible to connect to the internet to find a diagnosis / solution. I can almost hear all those users growling "ohhh shit!"
In a related note, I've noticed that OS vendors and ISV's are recently (in the last couple of years) referring a lot more to some mysterious "backup" which, while it reflects a very good practice, is not necessarily practiced universally. The vendors used to try and work around the problem ("here's how to back up what you'll need to recover in case this install fails"). That didn't serve them well, so referencing a "backup" without going into the minutiae of how to actually get one is really good for them to do. It makes the installation instructions much shorter, and face it--anyone who would uprade their OS without a backup doesn't really have anything important on their computer anyhow.
Everything I've ever learned the hard way was based on a statistically invalid sample.
Your comments about X "showing it's age" are really silly. WTH are you talking about w/regards to X "buckling." OS X on a dual proc G4 500 with a gig of ram, it slows to a crawl with a few large programs open. On my 500MHZ single proc celery, X doesn't slow down until my system starts running out of memory, or if the apps are using way to much CPU time. Generally, I can comfortably run twice as many large apps on my linux boxen as on OS X, with a quarter of the ram.
All just empirical evidence, but I still think you're full of it. One thing is for sure though, OS X eats ram for breakfast.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
First, I partially agree. But the fact is, GNOME and KDE can be pretty light on resources if you turn off some of the eye-candy. KDE specifically has a bunch of unnecessary eye-candy that can be easily turned off.
GNOME 2.4 is pretty speedy by default now. The default desktop gives you a little panel and a couple icons on the desktop. Nautilus is at least an order of magnitude faster than previously(but what *nix user needs it anyway). Not quite as quick to load as a really small wm, but not bad, and WAY faster than an OS X desktop.
GNOME >=2.2 is looking really good, IMO. Cute, quick, and to the point.
KDE >=3 is bloated and has tons of eye-candy, but all of it can be turned off.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
"the first apple that bites you back?"
No, that was the Powerbook 5400. The one with the exploding batteries.
Ease of administration.
If you are a linux geek... fine.. you don't need or want to spend the extra money on OSX server.
OSX servers are not overly expensive, and are nice hardware. They come with a nice OS, with a few great admin tools with tight desktop integration.
Again, if you are a unix geek, you don't care, you want to do it all yourself.. but for an office without real unix geeks, tossing in an OSX server is an economical, powerful, easy to integrate solution, and far better than trying to use Win2k or something...
Full disclosure: I have purchased seven computers in my life since 1983 and they have all been Apple machines.
In your post you (johnpaul191) seem to assume that the iBooks mentioned in mslinux's post were purchased at different times. I assumed the 9 iBooks were part of the same shipment and (possibly) manufacturing run. In either case, mslinux's chumpy iBooks could have been chumpy because of something Apple or the manufacturer did or did not do. In my experience, user breakage is overwhelmed by manufacturing defects.
Apple's manufacturers and Apple itself do occasionally design software and hardware badly. Sometimes, there are product runs or batches of a particular run that are fouled due either to manufacturing defects, design flaws, and/or plain ol' entropy.
One example of this is the translucent power cord that Apple debuted with the Pismo (Firewire G3) powerbooks. The material used in those cords degraded over time and eventually carried charge. As a result, those cords ended up generating sparks and, in some cases, small fires. To my knowledge, no one was ever hurt but thousands of customers were affected.
Apple replaced those faulty cords under AppleCare and quietly redesigned the power cord to use a different opaque material. Power cords that failed without AppleCare cost their users in the neighborhood of $60 (US). This is only one design flaw in one of Apple's hardware lines. Other Apple hardware lines have also been poorly designed and/or manufactured: early PowerBook 100s caught fire and PowerBook 5300s are notorious for disintegrating LCD mounts.
Now, I'm not saying Apple makes a crummy machine. Far from it. (I just requisitioned and receieved a 15" ALbook which, by the way, is a way sweet machine.) But like any hardware conglomerate, Apple and its manufacturers do occasionally build and ship lemons, a fact they sometimes they try to diguise. One way they do this is by fixing such machines under warranty. In other cases they will replace the machine in question in response to a user complaint. But because they never issue a recall (which would be overkill in most cases), a small percentage of users are left with hardware that's broken due to no fault of their own.
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"Calm down, you foaming at the mouth fucking fanatic."
I love that line, I almost spit coffee all over my screen. I get so sick of the freaks that consider anything less than absolute praise a troll.
Which I guess in their world, where Apple is indeed perfect because every single flaw can be explained away or blamed on MS, anything less than worship does meet the definition of troll.
I've got an iBook 900, and after 3 months the HDD failed. After 2 weeks I finally got it back, with stripped screws and a cracked case! The iBook is a decent portable for general computing, but my experience with Apple has left a very bad taste in my mouth.
you fucking fags. hahahaha. your untested sub-enterprise grade piece of shit fucking garbage ass shit OS.
with a shit deprecated mach kernel that is slow as fucking ass and error prone.
with your fucking shit *nix userland that barely makes the grade.
with your fucking robbing Jordan Hubbard, who went from being christ to the FUCKING FALLEN ANGEL TRAITOR FUCKING BASTARD.
FUCK YOU STEVE SLOBS, and your DRM crusted fucking music low quality shit.
FUCK YOU APPLE, for living solely because you made an Ipod, a rip off replacement for a staid tired concept: Walkman (with DRM).
and finally, your spyware crusted shit ass fucking software, your heavy CPU wasting shit UI, your fucking shit hardware, overpriced and underpowered fucking cunt shit lie on BENCHMARKS like spec you fucking asshole liars.
And your fucking JVM is shit.
YOUR FUCKING JVM IS SHIT.
Fuck you.
FreeBSD rules, and you cunts suck this crap down. You fucking suck it good, and pay out the ass. Steve needs your money for his fucking Gulstream. And you give it like the little stupid fucking bleating pigs you are.
FUCK YOU ASSHOLES.
I make minimum wage, you insensitive clod!
Apple has a low home market share because it chooses to. People who make minimum wage choose not to buy Apple computers because Apple chooses not to offer a sub-low-end ($499) desktop system.
Will I retire or break 10K?
I believe, though I can't prove it, that Apple was responsible for the memory that went bad. It was 3rd party, and after they replaced the motherboard my iBook would crash daily. Eventually the memory failed and I had to RMA it. Kingston was happy to replace it. The problems started immediately after I got the iBook back. Between the time I replaced the memory and the time the motherboard broke again, it was rock solid. I believe I hadn't rebooted once in the ~45 day period.
When someone might yell at me, it has to be OpenBSD.
I don't want to start a holy war here, but I need to vent guys and here I hope I find sympathy! I HATE MAC'S
Today I spent the good part of five hours helping a friend at his freelance gig with a titanum powerbook while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 5 hours. The amazing thing is at home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this MAC, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. Now, I got the job to fix this as I'm the "Computer Guy" and can generally help friends and family with there computer problems. I have never seen such a tragedy as the titanum powerbook!
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this TiBook at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
I don't, I really don't, see how Apple can claim to be tops in design. Even my A600 was a dream to work on compared to this and it was pretty compact too!. Anyway Ive talked my friend into getting rid of his mac addiction, he will definately be buying a Dell next!
By the way, Linux eats a free memory also - for disk caching, but it doesn't slow down anything (oppositely - it accelerates a lot!) and it releases it immidiately when more memory is required for real process needs.
I've migrated from 10.1 -> YDL 2.1 -> Gentoo 1.4 -> 10.2 on my Powerbook. I can confirm: Mac OS X is the slowest os (after Mac OS 9 of course) that was running there. As soon as I'll change my scanner to work with SANE I'll go back to Gentoo, which is the fastest OS for Mac hardware today I ever tested.
Less is more !
I don't know if anyone will read this, it's a bit late. But the Linksys upgrade hosed my network, and I had to downgrade to get connectivity back. And not just OSX boxes, Linux and Windows as well.
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I was having problems with 10.2.8 on my Lombard G3/400 Powerbook. This fixed it.
/System/Library/Extensions/AppleNDRV/ATIDriver.bun dle /System/Library/Extensions
To fix this issue with the "Lombard" open a terminal window and type
sudo rm -rf
sudo touch
Restart via the Finder
It's a bug in the ATI driver (a third party component shipped by Apple.) There will be an article on info.apple.com soon about this.
My brand new office G5 1.6 GHz has a dead CD drive. Omigod. This represents a MAJOR manufacturing problem. Obviously the G5 system is a misbegotten train wreck of bad design and broken, untested hacks. You should never buy one.
.dmg.bin (disk image files packaged for download) are now showing up with an icon for Toast Titanium instead of the icon for Disk Copy.
Or not. But how would you know? Actually it is very fast and has a really slick design. So a CD-writer failed. It happens. The only things I've been able to find to gripe about are there are some little cables dangling too near the upper PCI card slot and that the case metal is soft and easily scratched (when the instructions tell you to lay it on a soft towel, believe them. I've got some nice little gashes in the aluminum case material where some grit on our carpeted floor scraped it).
But maybe that's FUD too. Everything I'm telling you could be a lie... even this.
My point is that the macfixit.com story is interesting, and perhaps contains a lot of important and valid warnings, but it is not really a detailed bug report. It contains a lot of highly detailed ANECDOTAL cases about people who did this, and (then unknown things) and then additional things happened. They may be valuable, or they may not be, because you haven't run a controlled test on the machine in question.
To be really compelling even as anecdotal evidence, we'd need to be fairly certain that no other changes were made to the system which might result in the problems mentioned. To be really compelling as a bug report, I'd want to see the lines of code in question and an explanation of how code X running on system Y with network chip Z or framework version Q interact, in detail, to produce a problem.
In practice I did see one problem arise from the 10.2.8 update which I mistakenly installed (a friend of mine had jumped the gun and was urging me to update to fix the security issues, even though I am usually deliberately lazy by a week or two about installing updates for this very reason). I'll mention it later.
I think it is also worth noticing that at least a few of the issues are issues of compatibility with third-party programs. For example, "if you use TransparentDock to modify Dock behavior and/or appearance." Apple of course can't guarantee that arbirary system components that have been modified by third-party utilities will never change out from under these utilities.
Then there are problems like the MODU incompatibility. That sounds like a standard kind of problem with a third-party driver that works right on one version of the system and breaks on the next. Whether it is Apple's bug, or MOTUs, or just the assumption that an API will work a certain undocumented way... it doesn't matter that much. This kind of incompatibility over the life cycle of OS releases is common. Kernel drivers by definition have to do things that, if they go slightly wrong, can crash the system. (I write them for a living).
In this case it might have been avoided if Apple had separated out the security patches from the more generalized system patches. That is probably the real lesson to be learned here: "don't do monolithic updates." Of course, then we get bent out of shape because there are too many small updates.
Some of the problems, such as overwriting a flash plug-in, must be examples of weak installer scripts that don't adequately check version information. That's a very common problem. Does anyone remember DLLs getting overwritten with earlier version on Windows sytems? If you haven't seen this problem before, you haven't administered very many Windows systems.
By the way, the problem I noticed was listed in the MacFixit article under "File mapping issues." This is some degree of corroboration. Files of type
The workaround is to use "open with." I'll also check out the sugestion to use Cocktail and see if that works. Is it a pain in the ass? Yes. Do I regret installing the upgrade before it was pulled?