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Sony-Ericsson P900 Released
phil-trick writes "The Sony-Ericsson P900 was released today.
Here is a detailed P900 Review.
Also, to make linux oriented, here is a pice on how it Syncs with Linux"
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This thing looks like it has some serious bawlz... I was thinking abotu getting one just for the linux fact... but its got some serious power behind it. Neat
anybody else have one ordered yet?
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Good... now I finally can replace my old antique P800.
Also, to make linux oriented, here is a pice on how it Syncs with Linux
Thank you for that, I had absolutely no interest in reading an article if there isn't some sort of tie-in to Linux.
Geez, with this many features one starts to wonder if it's still possible to call with this thing ;-)
Seriously though, this brings back the same question as posed on last Monday, in this article: Death of the PDA?
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is that it should easy enough to program to it.
Borland has announced a version of C++ Builder for the Symbian OS, so I should feel right at home. Now, anyone have ideas for a killer app?
Oh, wait. I don't have time for that kind of crap.
What I've found the most interesting after reading the article is MP3 support, both of Nokia's Symbian OS based phones (3650, 7650) don't have it, and it's even more cool to be able to use MP3's as ringtones.
The IT section color scheme sucks.
I misread the URL as my-sybian.com, which made me think this phone must have a really nice feature that makes you WANT to carry it around in your pocket constantly...
-- Dr. Eldarion --
how long can the battery last? i have my cell phone running pretty dark and quiet, and it still drains power like mad.
if one was to use this as advertised, what could we expect in terms of battery life before having to recharge it?
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
with devices that look this good with that amount of functionality to boot, iam sure there are some worried faces in Palm computing
does anybody use the p800 with services in the us? i assume these would be t-mobile and att&t. the p900 is supposed to be available here in january, but i have never seen anybody with a p800.
i imagine that the linux version would be a requirement for the chinese market, since thay have a chinese specific version--p908. apple needs to get itunes (lite where required) everwhere, including linux and devices. beat sony to the punch with their mobile initiatives.
more memory would have been nice!
Much better. Look here
RTFA. symbian
Why is it that the cooler the feature set the uglier they have to make the unit? This thing looks like a brick :(
if it's anything like the P800. and it *is* like the P800.
when you first get it, you'll get a day's life, then when the novelty of all the toys wear off and you're just using it for the odd call, reading slashdot whilst on the motorway, and then taking pictures of the ensuing pileup and mailing them to "America's Dumbest Road Users" you'll get more like 4-5 days worth.
Mmmmm. I thought the Symbian was, uh, something else...not an OS.
I've been developing apps for Palm OS and Handspring phones for the last few years on Linux with the excellent prc-tools collection, and the Palm OS Emulator. When Handspring announced their version of the POSE with Treo support (Windows-only), I patched all their sources by hand and recompiled them to work in Linux.
What really irks me with the new generation of phones is that all of them (Symbian, Palm, Handspring and RIM) release their dev environments only for Windows - Palm's OS 5 simulator is Windows-only, RIM's device simulator is Windows-only, and the emulator for the new Treo 600 is Windows-only as well. They don't even work under Wine...Oh well. Maybe I should switch to Zaurus development instead.
(And yes, I know I can develop for all of these in J2ME with Linux, but none of the interesting APIs are accessible from J2ME, so unless I'm programming games only it doesn't seem to be really worth it.)
Anyone else in the same boat?
The large screen and powerful processor on the Sony Ericsson P900 make it a great games platform too. The screen has 80% more pixels than the Nokia N-Gage offering better gameplay.
It's quite a large phone overall, but the Sony Ericsson P900 does have excellent battery life, with a maximum of 16 hours talk time and 20 days standby. The large screen on the P900 makes it ideal for organising data, appointments and contacts. The Sony Ericsson P900's PDA functions run on the Symbian OS, to give maximum performance from a mobile device.
Plus it plays MP3s, and with 128Mb memory sticks that should squeeze two full CDs into the P900.
I guess it's pretty good for a Symbian PDA/phone. However, the real competition might come from devices like the Voq Professional which has the backing of Micro$oft (and a clever keypad to boot).
All we need now is a decent megapixel digital camera rather than the rather lame 640x480 one in the P900.
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Ok...it is way cool.
But how much is the damn thing going to cost me?
We are Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated.
On the subway the other day I did a little monetary tally of what I carry around usually.. it adds up quick! Just between my iPod and my phone its almost $1k. I find I have to be extra-careful whenever putting my phone in my pocket, as just dropping the bloody thing would require a 2nd mortgage...
If I add anymore expensive devices, I'm not gonna need a fancy case for the phone, I'm gonna need a fancy case for me.
If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
I can buy it.
'Coming Soon' means I can not buy it.
Thank you.
Anyone more knowledgable than I care to compare and contrast this thing and the Treo 600? I know the Treo will have teeming hordes of PalmOS s/w available. Any other important distinctions?
I'm not buying one until it supports OGGs.
This phone does look great. But since it's not Palm compatible, I doubt it will take off.
For me, at least, the availability of software, the integration with desktop apps (on Windows), and the ubiquity (and maybe therefore compatibility) of the Palm platform makes this phone much less attractive.
Perhaps technical people can put this phone to great use through their own programming, integration, etc. But mainstream people just aren't going to do that.
I don't mean this to be flamebait, but why would anyone get on to a platform with so little software, compatibility, etc?
Once number portability kicks in, skanky old Sprint has lost a customer, and T-Mobile or ATT (whoever has the best GSM/GPRS coverage in the states) has gained one. Ahhh, competition!
yes thats right a P800. Now being a geek I've got to go an upgrade for no good reason
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Why? Why, why, why??
Just to look?
thanks
My S/E T62U locks up when playing one of the games and the keypad lock feature is flawed.
I emailed support and they blew me off.
If you receive an voice mail, the phone "asks" if you want to call voice mail, even when keypad lock is on, one push of a soft key and bang there goes your airtime. Realy great when you have it in a pocket or purse when keys get pushed by accident.
Never trust a man wearing a coat and tie!
First, thanks for linking to the Google cache of my site, I'm grateful.
Second, the link that was posted was my how-to for hacking for the P800, not the syncing as the link advertised. Syncing is a little more difficult, but I also wrote that up here: Synchronizing a P800 with Evolution
-- Edd
I can't find anywhere on that first link, the Sony site, that actually mentions whether it's a phone or not - the only clue is a link that says "Try the phone".
The next Cmdr Taco duplicate will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and see it early!
I like monkeys.
The pet store was selling them for five cents a piece. I thought that odd since they were normally a couple thousand each. I decided not to look a gift horse in the mouth. I bought 200. I like monkeys.
I took my 200 monkeys home. I have a big car. I let one drive. His name was Sigmund. He was retarded. In fact, none of them were really bright. They kept punching themselves in their genitals. I laughed. Then they punched my genitals. I stopped laughing.
I herded them into my room. They didn't adapt very well to their new environment. They would screech, hurl themselves off of the couch at high speeds and slam into the wall. Although humorous at first, the spectacle lost its novelty halfway into its third hour.
Two hours later I found out why all the monkeys were so inexpensive: they all died. No apparent reason. They all just sorta' dropped dead. Kinda' like when you buy a goldfish and it dies five hours later. Damn cheap monkeys.
I didn't know what to do. There were 200 dead monkeys lying all over my room, on the bed, in the dresser, hanging from my bookcase. It looked like I had 200 throw rugs.
I tried to flush one down the toilet. It didn't work. It got stuck. Then I had one dead, wet monkey and 199 dead, dry monkeys. I tried pretending that they were just stuffed animals. That worked for a while, that is until they began to decompose. It started to smell real bad.
I had to pee but there was a dead monkey in the toilet and I didn't want to call the plumber. I was embarrassed.
I tried to slow down the decomposition by freezing them. Unfortunately there was only enough room for two monkeys at a time so I had to change them every 30 seconds. I also had to eat all the food in the freezer so it didn't all go bad.
I tried burning them. Little did I know my bed was flammable. I had to extinguish the fire.
Then I had one dead, wet monkey in my toilet, two dead, frozen monkeys in my freezer, and 197 dead, charred monkeys in a pile on my bed. The odor wasn't improving.
I became agitated at my inability to dispose of my monkeys and to use the bathroom. I severely beat one of my monkeys. I felt better.
I tried throwing them way but the garbage man said that the city wasn't allowed to dispose of charred primates. I told him that I had a wet one. He couldn't take that one either. I didn't bother asking about the frozen ones.
I finally arrived at a solution. I gave them out as Christmas gifts. My friends didn't know quite what to say. They pretended that they like them but I could tell they were lying. Ingrates. So I punched them in the genitals.
I like monkeys.
Is it me, or does this thing look like an apple newton. The dimensions aren't too far off.
I haven't seen that on my P800, and that's IMHO a SERIOUS bonus.. I couldn't give two poops for the skinned interface, but getting even fixed-res fullscreen landscape video would be a super win..
:(
Less'n there's been firmware updates to P800 that I can't get in the US
I am guessing you can pull up a virtual keyboard, and use an SSH client on this phone. Am I right? Details (i.e., SSH v.2, open source?).
This Sony product looks great!! Just when I was about to finally buy a PDA, I thought of Apple. I would imagine Apple is going to get into this market soon. Anyone have any good info on Apple and possible PDAs in the pipeline?
This is for the P800 from the Sony/Ericsson Website. The p900 should be similar.
Performance talk time
up to 13 hrs
Standby talk time
up to 400 hrs
400 hours is about 16 days. This seems reasonable. Ericsson phones are pretty efficient. My T39M will go about 15 days between charges with about 1.5 hours talk time, or about 8 hours of straight talk time with a little standby. The P900 page did not list details on talk/standby, but the article does point out the p900 and p800 use the same battery.
Just like all the other (Sony)Ericsson phones. Why can't they hire better designers?
Honestly, I'm quite confused by their steadfast attachment to 640x480 camera phones. On my recent trip to Japan, I noted at least one PDA-Phone that had a 1.3 MPixel camera attached. Perhaps European/American/Chinese users are considered less demanding camera-phone users than the Japanese? How much more would a 1.3 have cost SE to include versus the puny 640x480?
can't wait to get on the new phone.
basically, it improves much of the miscomings from the p800 (as a p800 user myself and basing this on reviews.) one drawback would still be the memory stick duo (not sure if it is compatible with the pro.)
but it is a great phone. it is a phone with pda functionalities and not the other way so it is easy to call with it (and it doesn't seem to be very awkward to call like a big pda.) with apps, there are now lots of apps available (both free and commercial) so it levels off with the regular pda.
for those camera freaks, a 640x480 is fine. what do you expect, a 4 megapixel camera fit in a phone with full flash and removable lens? i just want to take a picture anytime and send it to someone like mms or bluetooth. having a very high resolution camera will eat up lots of storage space and will be very difficult to send it to other people (so the camera will no longer work well with mobility) (gprs is already slow in our country, so i don't expect sending someone 400kb image file to be very convenient.)
one thing i like is the ability to play mp3 as alerts over the existing midi and wav combo (and the old formats.)
i don't also need to carry a pda with me (though i did not own one ever because it is pointless to carry too much gadgets in your pocket!)
the keypad also helps to allow you to do things on the go. unlike a pda, it will allow you to type if every you are in a car or something that is moving. as for me, i can send a text message without looking at the screen while crossing the street. time saving.
my last note, it is very helpful to me. i heavily use the calendar, task list and jotter. so i almost never forget anything and keep my schedule organized and allows me to do whatever i still need to do at work (or at home.) bonus is the synchronization with outlook (where the secretary just creates the schedule and i synch the phone to get the updated schedule.) other people will also be able to check my availability. so it increases my productivity.
recommendation, it is a good phone to invest to (unless maybe you already have a pda.) the money i invested in p800 already paid off for me in less than a year (through increased productivity.) i'll just give it to my sister.
Live your life each day as if it was your last.
I was amazed that they included this image in the review. I realize that in technical circles it helps to pander to immature males but that seems to go quite a bit past the usual T and A.
Am I so out of touch that with how sexist the mainstream media has become that that image is acceptable?
I've no idea what the full battery life is on my P800. It rarely goes more than 2 or 3 days between crashing. (i.e. backlight comes on and an animated logo tells you to hold the power button for 10 seconds).
A couple of my colleagues have the same phone and same problems.
i do agree that ms smart phone is going to give symbian a run for the money, but not with that phone. as the mobiles begin to become limited computers with office-like applications and docking capabilities (larger screen and a mouse for home or school), ms might have a distinct advantage. i wish psion still had a symbian netbook. i single platform would really aid in development across different devices, and symbian is not helping.
It does support Java, great!
But what does "support mean?
Can I run a Java application (J2ME/MIDP ?) after one or two buttons pressed ? A lot of phones I saw with Java support force you to navigate through dozens of menus until you are able to start a Java application.
Can the application run in the background? What happens if the application runs and the phone rings? If I use it for ICQ or such stuff, do I need to stop the application before beeing able to look at my address book?
Thanks for any insights on these questions.
Its camera is not still 640x480.
Sony Ericsson can do better in this dept.
When most people get camera phones, their picture taking interest drops exponentially after the first 1-2 weeks. If the camera resolution is higher(1 megapixel), like the 505i, FOMA terminals that NTTDocomo offers (nttdocomo.com), then it might make the camera offering worthwhile.
Other than that, I'd say its a decent phone.
Bush is on fire and its not good for my lungs.
I have 15 phones (am in the industry) and without a doubt the p800 rules the day.. except for the 7250i for evenings...
trust me..everyone in my office has one and we can all have any phone we like...
t9 is sorely missed though..
and I'm not even an engineer.
:)
The answer is simple...you need bigger pockets.
Chaos reigns within.
Reflect, repent, and reboot.
Order shall return.
The article states: "Although its casing is still made of plastic, it looks like if it was made of aluminium or similiar alloy."
/., isn't it? ;)
Duh? Since when did aluminum (or aluminium) become an alloy? Bronze, steel, or brass are alloys, but aluminum never was. Yes, aluminum is mostly used in aluminum alloys, but, still...
Hey, this is
I've seen someone argue the toss with an air hostess about it. Eventually he agreed to turn it off and keep it off through-out the entire flight when she requested security come and eject him from the aeroplane.
(No it wasn't airborne before you ask ...)
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I think I like the Nokia 3650 better. Smaller lower res screen but its cell phone size. This thing looks like its bigger then my PDA.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
crap, i just bought a blackberry 7230, now im jelious. Hopefully the blackberry will work out, its unfortunate that you need the enterprise server though in order to use the SSH clients for the blackberry.
For all of us (myself included) who are seriously planning on getting this phone, can any current owners of the P800 sound off on who has the best plans and/or supports the most features of which service, etc?
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-- Its survival of the fittest...and we got the fucking guns!!!
What are some good sites to check out to get an idea of what kind of software is available for this phone?
SealBeater
-- Its survival of the fittest...and we got the fucking guns!!!
from the phones-to-lust-after dept.
/dot masses do not like the RIAA and MPAA, yet when a RIAA/MPAA member comes out with a new shiny bobble, the /dot masses 'lust' for the product.
phil-trick writes "The Sony-Ericsson P900
Let me express my astonishment. The
Way to go! Spend your money so Sony can buy more laws like the DMCA.
Hopefully the P900 is more stable than the P800. I had a P800 for a few weeks, but I had to constantly reboot (and thus missed several phone calls), and it required nightly charging. The worst part about it was that it was soooo huge, it kept getting caught on stuff when I had it clipped onto my belt and it was far too big to slip into the pants pocket of my baggiest pants.
After owning a Nokia 3650, followed by the P800, I finally settled on the SonyEricsson T610. The form factor is excellent. It's small enough to comfortably slip into any of my pockets and has bluetooth, IR, a camera, and J2ME JVM. It works great with my Sony Clie UX-50 (except the SMS utility doesn't support the T610)... and my Clie has a decent keyboard which the P800 or P900 does not offer.
There are plenty of PDAs out there that are better than the P800 (and I assume the P900) that use a more popular OS such as PalmOS or WinCE/PPC. And there are much smaller phones out on the market that'll interface with your PDA. Do yourself a favor and stick with a separate phone and PDA.... you'll end up with 2 products that are superior to the one. And best of all, if you don't need a PDA, you don't have to lug around one of these large convergence devices.
Because ssh is all I need.
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Sony already makes Clies. Why don't they base the phone off that?
And for that matter, why Memory Stick Duos? What's the difference between that and a regular memory stick?
Of course the fact that I state a critical opinion I'm sure will leave me modded down as well. *Sigh*
So, the PDA is dead, because Ericsson put one in a cell-phone? The reincarnation of the PDA should then be simple. Put a cell-phone in a PDA.
Oh wait... Treo's already done that.
The REAL jabber has the user id: 13196
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just how much is it? the treo 600 is about $600 and the SGH-I500 is about $699.
how much is this?
i was responding to the previous comment who claimed it ran Windows CE. I *HAVE* a P800, and YES, Symbian is great. WinCE, however, blows goats.
you know what's truly amazing?
the number of people on the planet with such one dimensional thinking.....
it's truly disturbing.
You do realize, that apart from black and white, there are also an infinite number of shades of grey, and even colours!
In the real world "A" does not imply "!B"
you CAN have both.
Advanced users are users too!
The pictures are grainy and blurry round the edges, and the subject should be very well lit to have any hope of looking clear (no flash, of course). Once they put a quality lens in there, a quality sensor might be more useful.
And I'm told that even so, the P800's pictures are as good or better than the majority of cameraphones.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
If the phone rings, the phone app pops to the front, but the other apps are still there, running in the background. On the P800 at least, GPRS data connections are suspended and (other) sounds are muted, but the apps keep going and you can browse the address book or anything else.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
I've only seen one app that would continue to suck down power like that - the leaked beta camcorder app. It would drain my battery in about 3 hours, because it kept doing MPEG4 compression even in the background. That's why it wasn't released officially.
That aside, I can have as many apps as I like sitting idle without draining power. It's only when they're being actively used that the battery life goes. You don't need to close them, regardless of what switcher claims (the memory used to store them is powered on regardless - only accessing it uses the juice).
I don't get 400 hours by any means, but I get at least a couple of days of frequent usage (I read books & play [CPU intensive] ogg files each day). If I turn off the phone side (Flight mode), battery life goes up noticeably, or if I only use it as a phone (not a PDA), it's a lot better.
I'd say battery life was pretty good, for an equivalent PDA, though low for a simple phone. But it only takes 60-90m to charge anyway, so I have no problem with it.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
Symbian rules all over Palm. Give it a chance. Of course it doesn't have the installed user base or applications yet. Arguments like yours are what keeps Microsoft in business.
...in the US is that it requires you to send your phone to Sony and let them keep it for like three weeks.
I listen to music through it every day. When my kids broke my laptop's line-out jack, I used my P800 for music instead. It's better than your average MP3 player because it supports other formats (such as the above mentioned Ogg Vorbis), and it's always there. Anywhere I take my phone, I'm also taking my music player (and my books, addresses, a few games, a cheapo camera, a notepad, a dictionary, a planetarium etc etc etc).
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
Is there some way to exploit the nexus between strict DMCA controls and lax gun laws in America to integrate an MP3 player into a gun without violating the RIAA's rights?
"The Sony-Ericsson P900 was released today. Here is a detailed P900 Review."
Ummm...if it was just released today, how can you have a detailed review already?
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Kind of like ... Sony manufactures MP3 players, but they are also a recording giant?
In 10 years every PDA will probably have a built-in cellphone, it doesn't mean cellphones OR PDAs have "died", it's just the same device with more features.
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
Check this out. It is about 30% smaller than P900. It runs Palm OS 4.1 with 30 million resolution camera, 256K color screen and it only cost around US $470.