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Comcast Fires TechTV Staff

Bocaj writes "Looks like it's curtains for TechTV staff. A Leo Laporte article says that Comcast has let the entire staff go. 'Per the WARN Act (governing plant closings) all the employees of TechTV have been given 60 days notice. The San Francisco operation will be shuttered by July. 100 of the existing jobs will be posted for those willing to relocate to LA.' No word on what will happen to all the shows or the channel."

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  1. The important question... by David+E.+Smith · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... so what will become of Playboy's proposed "Women of TechTV" photo shoot? I'm still waiting for Morgan b00bies.

    1. Re:The important question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, if you still look at Playboy, you need to discover the wonderful world of porn, turn off that SPAM fitler, click a few links and wank away!

    2. Re:The important question... by ClickWir · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well at least we got to see Cat's....

      http://stuff.ubersite.com/10596966192071809/1/Ca tC ropped.jpg

    3. Re:The important question... by ClickWir · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://hektik.org/various/cat/index.html

      Might have to go here: http://hektik.org/various/#pictures and then click on Cat's link near the top. :-)

    4. Re:The important question... by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Informative

      All five women involved (Morgan Webb from X-Play, Sarah Lane from The Screen Savers, Melanie Kim from TechLive/Fresh Gear, Laura Swisher from Unscrewed, Cat Schwartz from Call For Help) were sent offers to pose. All five declined.

    5. Re:The important question... by Curtman · · Score: 2, Funny

      For those of us who have no idea who Morgan Webb is, click here. I don't even want to know what that fat naked guy with the teddy bear ( http://logic_net.tripod.com/bachelor.jpg ) is doing there though. I didn't link, becuase of some referal denying of some kind.

    6. Re:The important question... by Roger+Keith+Barrett · · Score: 4, Funny

      The be sure to find one for him. Someone who has a healthy interest in girls and boobies.

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    7. Re:The important question... by teromajusa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thank you for publicly proclaiming your moral illness.

      The fact that you think there's something seriously immoral about nudity strikes me as a form of moral illness itself.

    8. Re:The important question... by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Funny
      > Hell, if I were out of work and someone *wanted* to pay me to take some pics of me naked, I sure as hell would do it!!
      >
      > Thank you for publicly proclaiming your moral illness. Unfortunately, you've left out your address, so I can't tell my kids who to stay the heck away from.

      Why would you have to tell your kids to stay the heck away from him, unless you believe your kids would pay money to see a Slashdotter naked? And you're calling him the sick fuck?

      (There was a line in here about pots and kettles, but why bring the interracial kitchenware fetishists into it?)

  2. Welcome to TechTV... by Morganth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Direct from Bangalore!

    1. Re:Welcome to TechTV... by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 3, Funny

      They'd probably have fake Californian and Texan accents just like tech support. :/

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    2. Re:Welcome to TechTV... by JamesKPolk · · Score: 2, Funny

      "What do you say we take a relaxed attitude toward work and watch the baseball match? The NY Mets are my favorite squadron!"

  3. Comcast weenie has a great idea... by gleepskip · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Let's buy a great channel and fire everybody!"

    1. Re:Comcast weenie has a great idea... by gantrep · · Score: 2, Funny

      What channel is that?

    2. Re:Comcast weenie has a great idea... by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Let's buy a great channel and fire everybody!"

      Unfortunately, he screwed up step 1.
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    3. Re:Comcast weenie has a great idea... by beakerMeep · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing that boggles my mind is that they are taking a (relatively) diverse channel and merging it with one (G4) that has such an even smaller niche audience that it only comprised 1 show in techTV's lineup. The various articles around the web make it seem almost egotistical as if comcast would think their video game channel is on par or even better than techTV. Don't get me wrong I think more gaming shows are a Good Thing(TM), it's just that this seems like bad business to me. Why not try and turn the business around if it's not making money?

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    4. Re:Comcast weenie has a great idea... by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It's not such a silly idea.

      They can find other pimple-faced kids to play videogames on TV. Especially in LA, where "aspiring actors" are a dime a dozen.

      No need to bring any of the boys and girls from the SF studio down to LA. In fact, they probably wouldn't last a week there. There's a reason they're living in SF and not LA.

    5. Re:Comcast weenie has a great idea... by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 4, Funny

      Let's buy a great channel

      Yeah, but they also bought TechTV. Try to keep on topic here. :)

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    6. Re:Comcast weenie has a great idea... by DarkZero · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The thing that boggles my mind is that they are taking a (relatively) diverse channel and merging it with one (G4) that has such an even smaller niche audience that it only comprised 1 show in techTV's lineup.

      Yeah, that's one of the more ironic parts of this decision. TechTV used to be largely made up of daily content like The Screensavers and Call For Help, which were absolutely useless in reruns a month later ("Oh no! There's a new worm out... hey, that was a month ago!"). For years, they tried to diversify their content so that they could pair those shows up with something that could fill up the rest of their roster with repeatable content. First they tried movies, which failed. Then they tried The Thunderbirds, which didn't last long. Then they finally stumbled upon sci-fi anime, which seems to be working, and paired it with a bunch of new documentary shows that are pretty much hit-or-miss, but don't entirely suck. And now what happens? They're going to become nothing more than a distribution channel for G4, which I'm told has the exact same problem that TechTV had for years -- no repeatable content.

      And now that their scope is going to be much more narrow, changing from "TV for geeks" to "TV for gamers" (a subdivision of "geeks"), what are they going to fill their roster with? A new season of Game Over? Maybe some reruns of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show With Captain Lou Albano?

    7. Re:Comcast weenie has a great idea... by Epistax · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's not all THAT bad.
      It's not like there are other useless channels out there.

    8. Re:Comcast weenie has a great idea... by meshmar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, G4 is keeping a fair amount of the TechTV content. They say that "The G4 programming day will showcase many existing G4 and TechTV series such as G4's ICONS; PULSE; JUDGMENT DAY; PLAYERS, and CHEAT! as well as TechTV's ANIME UNLEASHED; X-PLAY; SCREEN SAVERS; FRESH GEAR; and ROBOT WARS. G4 will also premiere new original programming which will be announced at a later date." Notable by it's omission is Call For Help. (Leo isn't going to move to LA). An interesting side note is the fact that Chris Pirillo is down in LA already. It is conceivable that G4 is considering him for the "new original programming" in a show similar to Call For Help. Personally, I think this would be a good move for G4. In fact, there is a petition to get Chris back on TV. Use the slashdot effect for a valid reason - slashsign the petition.

    9. Re:Comcast weenie has a great idea... by gamgee5273 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Damn... you mean I have no luck of winning the portable record player that hangs off my belt?

      Dude, you just ruined my day. Little Jimmy (now big Jimmy) and I are gonna have to track you down and pelt you with trackballs from Centipede.

  4. Its a good thing comcast didn't buy disney.. by cybrthng · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd hate to see them fire everyone and relocate it.

    1. Re:Its a good thing comcast didn't buy disney.. by cubicledrone · · Score: 2, Informative

      but they can't colour in between the lines all that well.

      Disney doesn't make animation any more. Anime owns the entire market now, just like the auto industry in the 70s.

      Oh, and Disney fired everyone too, just like Comcast.

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    2. Re:Its a good thing comcast didn't buy disney.. by cujo_1111 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Anime didn't own auto industry market in the 70s...

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    3. Re:Its a good thing comcast didn't buy disney.. by fenix+down · · Score: 3, Funny

      It did until Ralph Nader proved the whole line of Transformers blew up if you kicked them in the ass too hard. That meddling kid.

    4. Re:Its a good thing comcast didn't buy disney.. by cubicledrone · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anime owns what now?

      Oh, let's see. Not counting manga, about 400 square feet of shelf space at Suncoast. Two aisles at Best Buy. One cable network. Most of another. Couple million web sites. $4.3 billion growing market. About 300 million fans worldwide. An Academy Award.

      That's for openers...

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    5. Re:Its a good thing comcast didn't buy disney.. by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 4, Informative

      Checkout an anime series called "Cowboy Bebop".

      Great story, lots of action...

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  5. Too bad... by Patik · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Screen Savers was one of the few informational shows that didn't cater to the lowest common denominator or sponsors. The hosts seemed honest with their opinions and they gave good tips. They also had good coverage of OSX and Linux, as well as interviews with people from the FCC and RIAA and other organizations of interest to slashdotters.

    1. Re:Too bad... by tekiegreg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yup, and thus it was due to failure :-/

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    2. Re:Too bad... by roll_w.it · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, I've been a fan for the last year or so, while there was a lot of stuff that wasn't relevant to me, I learned a lot, and was exposed to things that I hadn't thought were relevant. Kind of nice to hear media slamming MS, or complaining about how hard an install was(away from slashdot anyways).
      Made for great background noise to studying. I'm hoping that some of these people get hired back - maybe another broken show soon??? Otherwise, hope someone fills the gap and we get a bit more geek tv.

    3. Re:Too bad... by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Informative

      Personally, I find it a little insulting that Comcast would even think TechTV makes sense to merge with a *gaming channel*.

      Is that really all they think TechTV was --- a bunch of people PLAYING with their computers for fun and entertainment?

      It seems to me TechTV served a few very useful purposes, not the least of which was providing free, quality phone support to callers. (In this day and age of "prices shaved to the bone PCs", the average consumer is pretty much left in the dark if he/she has questions not covered by the instructions that came with a hardware or software product. What options do they get? Call India and have someone rattle off canned answers from a card?)

      Also, I found a number of very informative bits on TechTV over the years that even the most advanced computer user could appreciate. I remember enjoying an interview Leo did with the man who invented the first mouse (had his working prototype made out of wood on the show). I remember an interesting piece they did just recently with the site operator of rootkit.com. The list goes on, but the point is, TechTV wasn't just some show hawking the latest video games. They covered them, of course - but not without balance.

      With the original staff gone, and merging with G4, it sounds to me like it's going to get turned into a big promotional channel for selling video games and related gaming hardware, and will run off anyone just trying to be more productive with their PC, learn more about system security and administration, and so on.

    4. Re:Too bad... by Maxwell309 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you really think those were "real" callers? Didn't you know everything on TV is scripted and made up? Why introduce unknown variables to your formula when you can script more interesting in concept and solution?

      Did you ever actually watch Call for Help or TSS? Things went awry all the time and, atleast when I was watching it, Leo would get stumped from time to time. Hell, if it wasn't for Patrick and Google a lot of questions would have gone unanswered on TSS. I don't think the calls were scripted.

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    5. Re:Too bad... by matth · · Score: 2, Informative

      The calls most definately were not scripted. I had a friend who got on TSS once and also C4H once.

    6. Re:Too bad... by markhb · · Score: 5, Funny
      ...imagine how betrayed you'd feel [if] Rob Malda started doing a TV show directed at the non-tech savvy in which he stated nothing but obvious crap.

      Wouldn't that just be Slashdot on TV?
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    7. Re:Too bad... by GooberToo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree. Anyone that's even seen a very small segment from CFH can clearly see that the show is not scripted.

    8. Re:Too bad... by borschski · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Sigh....

      One would think that -- with hundreds of channels -- that *one* devoted to technology would thrive and survive.

      I'd beg to differ, though, on the "lowest common denominator" part of your post. I found that over the last couple of years that they tried valiantly to up their viewer base by becoming a bit more formulaic and mainstream in their content.

      Still...it was the ONLY place I could go and watch stuff that was actually useful, things I could learn from (or have an "aha!" about something I knew about but hadn't seen) and get a really good feel for some of the trends in gaming, modding, etc.

      What really tripped-my-trigger was a discussion a while back about presence awareness (IM, GPS and triangulation) and constant discussions around security, privacy and other issues that are EXTREMELY important as technology becomes more ubiquitous and clueless newbies try things out (like WiFi cafes with no VPN and passwords flying through the air being sniffed by those with a clue).

  6. Won't someonebody think about the clueless?! by jesse.k · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dammit, now where are all the clueless newbies going to learn about the all the cool hacker tricks covered in Kevin Rose's Dark Tips?

    Looks like The Man has won yet again!

    1. Re:Won't someonebody think about the clueless?! by gooberguy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, the taser project was a good one. I made one and had lots of fun burning the chrome off of my screwdriver. I don't want to shock anyone because it looks pretty painful.

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    2. Re:Won't someonebody think about the clueless?! by mcpkaaos · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dammit, now where are all the clueless newbies going to learn about the all the cool hacker tricks covered in Kevin Rose's Dark Tips?

      Welcome home.

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  7. Press Release by Takara · · Score: 5, Informative

    Direct from the G4 press release, it looks like the only TechTV originals surviving are Anime Unleashed, X-Play, The Screen Savers, Fresh Gear, and Robot Wars. It doesn't say specifically if those are the only TechTV shows to continue or if any of the old staff will keep their position.
    As long as Adam Sessler doesn't come back I won't complain too much.

    1. Re:Press Release by nomadic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Direct from the G4 press release [g4tv.com], it looks like the only TechTV originals surviving are Anime Unleashed, X-Play, The Screen Savers, Fresh Gear, and Robot Wars.

      They have shows other than that? News to me...

    2. Re:Press Release by evanbro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hope they don't dump Tech Live. Slashdot is great for instant coverage, but they did some nice stories on Tech Live; stuff that either wasn't important enough for Slashdot or something like that. It also came on at that perfect "i should do homework but i don't want to" time.

    3. Re:Press Release by beakerMeep · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yes they had other shows :)

      "Body Hits" and "Nerd Nation" were pretty good shows -- I never much cared for "Spy School" or "Consipracies" however. If I had my way with their line up (yeah I know your glad i dont)

      I would have
      -xplay
      -nerd nation
      -body hits
      -screensavers


      and I'd lose
      -conspiracies
      -spy school
      -robot wars (that guy is sooooo anoying)

      and I could go either way on
      -anime
      -call for help (why not)
      -fresh gear
      -tech live

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    4. Re:Press Release by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I kinda dug Unscrewed. It was entertaining in its pointless stupidity. Plus Girls Gone Wired, good stuff..

      What mostly amazes me is that Comcast intends to replace TechTV with G4.

      Great idea guys, replace one hardly watched niche network with an even less watched niche network.

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    5. Re:Press Release by Mantorp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No Unscrewed? Martin? Swisher? Noooooooooooo

    6. Re:Press Release by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, that press release list is worthless because it starts with "such as" so shows named on that list might not survive, and shows not on that list might make it.

      There's really no clue as to which shows are in or out yet...

    7. Re:Press Release by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Nielsen numbers to back this statement up please.

      Just to let you know, Nielsen is one of the better scams of the universe. It produces next to random, unverifiable numbers and gets to charge kings ransom, plus it gets to decide direction of American TV. No competition. No credible verification. No regulation. No oversight. Ever growing stream of money and undeserved "prestige" (oh, just so fitting the race-to-the-intellectual-bottom enterntainment and the politco-propagandistic info-tainment industries).

      What a racket!

    8. Re:Press Release by OS24Ever · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well Screen Savers is going to suck without Leo or Patrick. Unless they hire Wil Wheaton. He sure made for entertaining shows when he hosted it. I really watched the show religiously until it cut back to the hour format and 'dumbed down'. Now I hardly ever watch it.

      Fresh Gear went downhill after Sumi Das left, and adding Morgan to X-Play (and changing the name/format for that matter) really destroyed the show into a bunch of lame goofy crap instead of a good solid game review show. My income increased because I quit buying games after they changed formats because the reviews were so lame.

      I've tried hard to watch G4 but it's like watching my little brother play on his play station and be stuck and running in circles. Absolutely no fun and downright annoying that he won't give up and let someone else have a turn. Never thought I'd say something like again that at 32 years of age. heh.

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  8. Lets just hope by SavedLinuXgeeK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That they fire the employees, and not cancel the show. The show has potential, and could be better spent than running tech support for beginner users. Think of a tv show, that was somewhat equivalent to slashdot, a discussion of new ideas, and even some conflict. The show could even be hosted by a F/OSS and a MS person.

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    1. Re:Lets just hope by Grakun · · Score: 3, Funny

      So like Jerry Springer, but with geeks?

      Linus! Linus! Linus!

      That would be an interesting show.

      "I have something that I have to tell you... Remember that week I said I went on vacation to Vegas? Well, the truth is I installed Windows..."

      I wonder what they would do for the PPV-Only Uncensored episodes.

    2. Re:Lets just hope by nate+nice · · Score: 4, Funny

      I want to see Gerhaldo host a show with Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Linus Torvalds. Linus is youngest so he may be able to move quicker...Jobs has a bit more mass than the others and Bill has...well, he's kind of like the Mario from Super Mario Bros. 2...well rounded?

      I got my money on Linus...he's crafty.

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    3. Re:Lets just hope by Grakun · · Score: 3, Funny

      and Bill has...well, he's kind of like the Mario from Super Mario Bros. 2...well rounded?

      I too would like to see Bill Gates trying to jump on everyone's head.

  9. Whew. by modifried · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At least it's only being moved to LA, and not, like.. India.

  10. Thanks Comcast by phisheadrew · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For taking my favorite channel off the air.

    I'm sure it will be replaced with something highly mediocre. Weren't they thinking of combining G4 and TechTV? Now its just going to be G4? I've personally tried to watch G4 and couldn't do it.

    I don't understand why they would can the entire network.

    Well, now that TechTV is gone, I've got no reason to keep the digital cable around, everything else I want is on basic cable.

    1. Re:Thanks Comcast by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 2, Informative

      Patrick Norton. He wore the kilt.

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    2. Re:Thanks Comcast by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Well, now that TechTV is gone, I've got no reason to keep the digital cable around, everything else I want is on basic cable.

      My sentiments exactly. And seeing as Comcast is my cable company, I'll be sure to mention that to them as I downgrade.

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    3. Re:Thanks Comcast by yRabbit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, it looks like it's going to be a combination of G4 and TechTV.
      Just, at this point, apparently without a single TechTV staff person left over. Just some of the shows.
      I don't understand why they would can the entire staff..

    4. Re:Thanks Comcast by mattkinabrewmindspri · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Since when does anything Comcast does make any sense?
      • They put bandwidth restrictions on customers, but don't tell the customers what the restrictions are.
      • They try to buy Disney.
      • Now they buy TechTV, kill off a whole network of great programming, and replace it with G4? Seriously, what kind of loser wants to watch other people play games?
  11. Nooooo! by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not Cat Schwartz!

    Oh well, she will live on Photoshop.

  12. To be merged with G4... by Patik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    TechTV will likely be merged with G4, a gaming channel. The new channel will have a little bit of both channels' content but will be more slanted towards gaming. Comcast bought TechTV a while back and has probably been planning this for a while.

    1. Re:To be merged with G4... by huchida · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Makes you wonder why they bought it, if they were just going to fold the channel, fire most of the employees and dump almost all of the content. I could understand if G4 and Tech were competitors-- but neither draws much of an audience and a combined channel will still be largely ignored.

    2. Re:To be merged with G4... by cybersavior · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Man, I've tried to watch G4 and its just lame! TechTV actually had some intelligence and class. The Screen Savers were awesome and actually taught me a few new things. I really hope they keep most of the cast. But, like someone said before, without TechTV, I'll have no need for digital cable. Perhaps everyone should write letters to Comcast in protest.

    3. Re:To be merged with G4... by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      TechTV has one thing G4 wishes it has... distribution. TechTV is presently in four times as many homes as G4 at the moment.

      However, those distribution contracts all void themselves if Comcast totally changes the content, so they're going to have to keep at least some of TechTV's shows if they don't want to wind up in court...

  13. Guess I'll have to get my news somewhere else by Fubar411 · · Score: 2, Funny
  14. because as far as the execs are concerned... by j3ll0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...the only place for technology in TV is coming up with better encryption schemes to stop those pesky sat pirates !

  15. *snooze....* by inphinity · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm not sure if anyone else agrees or not, but isn't G4 one of the all-time worst television networks on cable?

    It really makes you believe in the old saying: 1,000 channels and there's nothing on.

  16. This is part of a merger with G4 by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the FAQ:

    Q: How does the merger expand G4's subscriber growth?
    A: The merged network will be available to 44 million cable and satellite customers, representing every major MSO and satellite provider (28 million cable and 16 million satellite). G4, launched in April, 2002, is currently available in 15 million homes in 47 of the nation's top 50 television markets.

    Q: What MSO's and satellite companies will carry the combined network?
    A: Comcast; Time Warner; Mediacom; Insight; Cablevision; Charter; Adelphia; Cox; Cable One; Dish; and DirecTV.

    Q: Who will be the network's chief executive?
    A: Charles Hirschhorn, currently founder and CEO of G4, will oversee the merged network as CEO.

    Q: Will the two services run independently of each other or be immediately combined?
    A: The two channels will merge into one network. In the meantime, both G4 and TechTV will continue to air as independent channels, pending customary regulatory approvals underway.

    Q: Where will the network be headquartered?
    A: The merged network will be headquartered in Los Angeles.

    Programming:

    Q: What will a typical programming day look like?
    A: The merged network will be the nation's premier 24/7 television network all about video games, technology and the gamer lifestyle. The G4 programming day will showcase many existing G4 and TechTV series such as G4's ICONS; PULSE; JUDGMENT DAY; PLAYERS, and CHEAT! as well as TechTV's ANIME UNLEASHED; X-PLAY; SCREEN SAVERS; FRESH GEAR; and ROBOT WARS. G4 will also premiere new original programming which will be announced at a later date.

    Q: How many hours of original programming will the merged network produce?
    A: After the networks merge, G4 will air more than 20 series and 800 episodes per year. New programs continue to be in development.

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  17. what I don't understand is WHY!!!! by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what does this accomplish?

    were they paid to much money for Compost's liking?

    the Screen Savers will still have kevin Rose and David foo foo since they are single geeks who have nothing better to do but to relocate to LA. does comcast even what to keep the same format? or are they going to try to keep it to a low number of shows and jut have tech live in between documentary type programs like invent this and body hits?

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    1. Re:what I don't understand is WHY!!!! by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2, Funny

      remember last year when Leo was making fun of Kevin's dark tip of the day and Sarah said "hey, I like his dark tip!!" and everything went silent and kevin had this weird look on his face :-)

      I was rolling on the floor with that one.

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  18. Replacement: Slashdot Channel? by Gudlyf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just thinking out loud here... A Slashdot Channel would actually be pretty informative, covering lots of different aspects. Maybe even have guest Slashdoters invited to cover stories not covered already on the front page.

    Then again, with TechTV's fate, maybe it wouldn't be such a success afterall.

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    1. Re:Replacement: Slashdot Channel? by AvantLegion · · Score: 2, Funny
      A Slashdot Channel would actually be pretty informative

      So it wouldn't involve any actual Slashdotters?

    2. Re:Replacement: Slashdot Channel? by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

      A Slashdot Channel would actually be pretty informative, covering lots of different aspects.

      Oh, god, I can just see it now. Bad grammar, no fact checking, and of course the announcer constantly breaking in with "THIS JUST IN!" 10 times a day for the same duplicate story.

    3. Re:Replacement: Slashdot Channel? by cujo_1111 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who would watch a channel where they continually replay the same stories over and over again?

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    4. Re:Replacement: Slashdot Channel? by Talez · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just what we need. Another FOX News.

    5. Re:Replacement: Slashdot Channel? by psocccer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well there used to be the slashdot radio show geeks in space but I don't think they make that anymore. And to be completely honest, it wasn't all that great. Primarily because anything you'd get from the show, you could just as easily grab from the frontpage in a couple of minutes instead of listening for 30. It was a nice thought though and I had hoped it would be better.

  19. Maybe it went something like this? by Spazholio · · Score: 4, Funny

    Comcast drone #1: Geeks already don't like us, right?
    Comcast drone #2: Right.
    Comcast drone #1: Something to do with the DMCA, no?
    Comcast drone #2: Most likely.
    Comcast drone #1: But they all like this TechTV show, right?
    Comcast drone #2: Seems like it, yes.
    Comcast drone #1: I have an idea....let's let the entire cast go and relocate to LA!
    Comcast drone #2: Brilliant!

  20. Enough with the overreactions by AvantLegion · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This doesn't mean that none of the shows or hosts will be brought back. It means all existing contracts are getting torn up, and Comcast may opt to bring some people back on their own terms.

    But, indeed, the merged network's headquarters will be in LA, where G4 has been headquartered. No surprise there.

    Still, does anyone think that Comcast is so stupid as to spend all this money on a network, and then get rid of everything that makes people watch it?

    1. Re:Enough with the overreactions by 511pf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes. They bought TechTV to get rid of their competition.

    2. Re:Enough with the overreactions by rusty0101 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I may not qualify as "anyone", but as it happens, Yes I do believe Comcast is that stupid.

      They have effectively told their employees: "Hey, we love what you have done. We don't need you, and we are disolving this channel you have created. Some of you can apply for your old jobs back, but the descriptions may change, andy you will have to move to LA. It's been great working with you."

      Tell me that _You_ would feel that moving from SF to LA on the possibility that you _might_ get a job with the same title as you had before, is a good idea.

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    3. Re:Enough with the overreactions by peterkickit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Comcast is my current cable company and broadband provider. Customer service and quality for both are horrible. The previous owner, AT&T, was actually quite brilliant by comparison. All operations at Comcast, down to the last cable splicer, seem to be run from a very high level by bean counters who don't know or care anything about media, the internet, entertainment, hardware, or any of the other things you might expect from a cable/broadband company. Keep in mind that Comcast was the first company to buckle and hand over private customer information when the RIAA showed up with a handful of blank subpeonas, severely violating the terms of service we signed up for when it was AT&T. There was never any public indication that those terms changed when Comcast took over, but they clearly did. So. Do I expect Comcast to do the wrong thing? Absolutely.

    4. Re:Enough with the overreactions by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 2, Funny
      Still, does anyone think that Comcast is so stupid as to spend all this money on a network, and then get rid of everything that makes people watch it?

      Was that rhetorical? If not, the answer is "Yes."

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    5. Re:Enough with the overreactions by autophile · · Score: 2, Funny
      Some of you can apply for your old jobs back, but the descriptions may change, andy you will have to move to LA. It's been great working with you

      Man, I hate when they only offer the relocation package to one guy named Andy.

      --Rob

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  21. truly a shame by linux_author · · Score: 5, Interesting

    - i was on TechTV a couple years ago... the publisher flew me out to SF and i got to take a cab to the studio... - the TechTV folks were very friendly, and Leo, et al. had a great crew... fast-paced, lots of good content, and an on-line chatter available in the studio to ask and respond to questions... - but of course, i'd expect nothing less from Comcast, one of the worst and most expensive cable companies in existence...

  22. whats going to happen to their website? by microcars · · Score: 4, Interesting
    TechTV.com

    Since I watch the Screensavers I usually go to the Screensavers website and look up stuff in the show notes. Sometimes months later... There's alot of good info in there.

    /starts downloading the entire TechTV website.....

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  23. From the Wikipedia perspective by Raul654 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just for the record, (as a wikipedia admin) the TechTV people vandalized our article on monkeypox live on the air, and it has been a vandalism-magnet ever since. But it is a shame that they are cancelled - although I don't get them where I live, from what I hear, they did some good stuff.

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    1. Re:From the Wikipedia perspective by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2, Insightful

      why did they vandalize it?

      and how can you call it vandalism when you let anonymous people make changes to the document.

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    2. Re:From the Wikipedia perspective by Raul654 · · Score: 2, Informative

      They vandalized it to make a point - that anyone can edit any article, and that you don't even have to be logged in to do it. (The exact edit she made is here)

      As to your second question, I'm not really sure what you are asking, but I'll try to respond anyway - just because it's easy to vandalize our articles doesn't make it any less wrong to do it. To make an analogy - let's say you put your coat down on a chair and go to the bathroom, and while you are away someone steals it. Even though you made it easy for them, is it any less wrong for them to have stolen it? Also, you might want to read our policy on dealing with vandalism.

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  24. Morgan Webb has been offered a new position... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...on all fours, on my bed!

    Come on, Morgan, I'll throw in comprehensive healthcare! Whaddaya say? :-)

    1. Re:Morgan Webb has been offered a new position... by Methuseus · · Score: 5, Funny

      stupid AC

      He deserves the funny mods, seeing as just about any single male here (and many who aren't) would love to say the same thing. Oh, and lesbians, I haven't counted you out, I'm just not part of the group so I don't feel comfortable making blanket statements about your sexual desire for Morgan.

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  25. How many people watched TechTV? by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm wondering how many of the Slashdot crowd actually watched Tech TV?

    I never subscribed to it, over here in Canada, but watched the free promotional period. It was certainly different from the typical stuff on mainstream tech shows. I wasn't a big fan of the channel since I am not into tech as much as the rest of you here.

    I guess this is the last remnant of the dot-com boom :( I still think there is room for a technology-oriented television channel but not yet. I don't know about USA but here in Canada, Tech TV was a digital channel so until digital boxes are almost standard, I don't expect these digital channels to take off...

    Sivaram Velauthapillai

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  26. Re:And when you though no one could go lower then by Little+Brother · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Um, at least what Comcast is doing is legal. All Comcast is really doing is what cable companies do, look at what is good, and look for what needs to be changed. Sadly their rubric is the almighty dollar, apparently they wern't making enough money (or loosing to much, I don't know the figures) to continue as they were. So they restructured and let a bunch of people go. Is this right? Hell no! Is this honorable, definantly not. Is this standart buisness practice in every industry in the uninted states of america, yes. Sorry, this is how buisness s works, if you don't like it, join the club, but that's about all you can do right now.

    SCO on the other hand seems to be making meritless accusations in court, is sueing its best clientel, and is betting everything on getting money from IP that they really don't own. This is not common buisness practices. Among the suits who approve of the comcast-style layoffs, the types of things SCO is doing would classify them as scum. No, comcast hasn't gone lower than SCO, they haven't come close.

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  27. Finally, more bandwidth for World's Scariest... by potus98 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally! More broadcast bandwidth for the World's Scariest Reality Midget High School Survival Makeover Elimidate Police Fear Mini-series.

    Now if we could only wipe out those damn persistant channels of informative crap like PBS, Discovery, and that other "high-brow" crap. Maybe we'll finally get a whole channel dedicated to quality shows like "The View" and "American Idol".

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    1. Re:Finally, more bandwidth for World's Scariest... by Jerf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Discovery

      The Discovery channel has already been eliminated as a source of "high brow crap". At least, I can't stand to watch it as I usually feel my intelligence is being insulted, only unlike the pap on, say, CBS, the Discovery channel has the audacity to think it's teaching me something.

      TLC, Discovery, and Animal Planet have already been mostly toasted. (Who the hell would have guessed that the Animal Planet could tune into the Most Extreme meme? Or, perhaps more accurately, tried to tune in.) That leaves only PBS, the History channel, and Biography (I think; I don't actually watch that last one so I could be wrong).

    2. Re:Finally, more bandwidth for World's Scariest... by evilviper · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The Discovery channel has already been eliminated as a source of "high brow crap". At least, I can't stand to watch it

      Discovery isn't as good as it used to be, but it's not wholly eliminated... You just have to tune in when they don't have hours of idiots cursing at each other, trying to build a motorcycle... It's scary to note, but that is apparently their highest rated show.

      The same is true for Animal Planet. It's been downhill ever since Steve Irwin showed them that human stupidity makes for big ratings...

      TLC was the real sob story for me. They used to be a very good channel, until very recently, when they suddently switched into the second "Lifetime" channel for women.

      I don't see much good in Biography myself. I could care less about the details of the lives of the Brady Bunch cast.

      However, the National Geographic channel is still quite decent, and for the most part, takes the place of the recently fallen channels.

      You have got to wonder how much longer any forms of pay TV are going to survive if this cycle continues. Maybe it's finally time for real internet TV...
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    3. Re:Finally, more bandwidth for World's Scariest... by The+Conductor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The pattern appears to be establish niche & then broaden appeal, and appears to be quite established. Witness:

      • Early A&E, Arts & Entertainment, really was artsy. We don't, however, see televised performaces of Stravinsky's ballet Petrushka on it anymore. It's all Hollywood interviews now.
      • TLC goes from educational to the Trading Spaces Channel (TSC?)
      • History channel (yeah it was the Hitler Channel early on, but that's because WWII was an easy source of lots of film footage) is now the Big Machines & Garden tools channel half the time.
      • The christian channels start to look like the Disney Channel (don't watch much of either so don't put too much faith on my word on this one, but christian music certainly has gone through a transistion like this).
      • HBO goes form pure movies, to a mix of movies, boxing, and a crime drama series.
      • TechTV becomes another Cartoon Channel plus a bunch of nearly-infomercial video game content. A generic teen channel seem to be the target.

      In the end, if you want specialized content, you will have to constantly seek young, new channels. (In HBO's case new pure-movie channels have sprung up.) Those channels need an audience whose interest is focused strongly enough to switch viewing habits. They don't have broad appeal yet so they are not losing anything by showing narrowly focused content.

      It's not just TV channels. The same thing happens to Magazines. Remember Byte?

  28. Re:Sign the Petition!!!! by necrosaro · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is the correct URL for the petition:
    Sign it here
    The above one has a space in it by accident SIGN SIGN SIGN!!!!

  29. Slashdot TV by Tekoneiric · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about Slashdot getting the funding to create a Slashdot TV channel and hire the fired Tech TV staff. ;)

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  30. Leo's Radio Show... by huchida · · Score: 5, Informative
    For those who aren't aware, Leo's got a weekend radio show.

    That's Los Angeles, but they do stream (Realplayer, naturally.)

    1. Re:Leo's Radio Show... by Ryan+Stortz · · Score: 2, Informative

      He mentioned on air that he does the show out of San Fran somewhere. I can't quite remember if he said he did it in his house or not, but either way he doesn't do it in LA. Although, you are right. The show is broadcast from LA.

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    2. Re:Leo's Radio Show... by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most of the time, the show originates from an old barn renovated into a radio studio on his property but just outside of his house. An ISDN line is used to relay his voice back to the studio so he can hear his callers and get the screening data from the producers.

      The show presently is only heard on KFI 640 in Los Angeles, but that station streams its content on its website. KFI is owned by Clear Channel, so there is a possiblity that the show may be distributed by the Premire Radio Networks if it catches on. Right now's a rating sweep month... so we'll know shortly how well he's doing.

  31. Flagship Show Already Ruined by metalligoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As far as I'm concerned, the flagship show on TechTV was The Screen Savers. When the show had Leo, Martin, and Morgan still, it was the best show on television.

    I understand the desire to move successful people to their own shows, but after Leo moved off of TSS and they were left with Patrick (who is so-so), and then Kevin Rose with his elitist attitude and his little girlfriend (can't even remember her name since she is so annoying) that knows jack nothing about computers, well, I can barely stand to watch the show.

    Frankly, I don't really watch it more than once a week. I used to watch it daily. That is impressive simply because I don't watch TV. Last year I didn't watch television at all for six months, after that I only watched it to see international perspective of the War in Iraq.

    As such, the only reason I have for cable is TechTV. If they kill it (which they already pretty much have) then I will get rid of my cable TV in a heartbeat. Comcast is insane.

    Then again, I can hope that someone else will see the potential it had, and do a TSS style show the way it was meant to be done.

    Leo, Martin, and Morgan all act like people I hang out with (I'm more in Morgan/Martin's age group, but I know people in Leo's age group that I talk with about technology all the time). Kevin Rose acts like someone I'd never speak with about anything in person. I don't know the guy personally or anything, but I really feel that TSS is ruined without Leo there, and that it was even better than that before they broke up the staff.

    The question is: did Comcast kill TechTV, or with it's flagship show in tatters, was it already dead?

    1. Re:Flagship Show Already Ruined by mad_cow · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I understand the desire to move successful people to their own shows, but after Leo moved off of TSS and they were left with Patrick (who is so-so), and then Kevin Rose with his elitist attitude and his little girlfriend (can't even remember her name since she is so annoying) that knows jack nothing about computers, well, I can barely stand to watch the show.

      I get a completely different impression than you of Kevin Rose's personality, but I agree that the show doesn't seem quite as good as before Leo left, and I felt that the days with Leo/Patrick/Megan/Martin/Morgan were the best. I think that the problem that it has now is just that both Patrick and Kevin are hardcore geeks and they don't have the Leo buffer to kind of tone it down.

      For me, there are only two other notable shows that I'll watch: X-Play, which has good content regardless of how critics may feel about Adam Sessler & Morgan Webb, and Call For Help, which is a great show for new computer users (my mother-in-law), and has some interesting and entertaining bits for the more savvy.

      In any event, things haven't been quite the same since all the chaos with Leo Laporte, but I hope Comcast get's things straightened out... I don't have much use for television, and if Tech TV goes down the tubes, then I'll have no use for TV.
    2. Re:Flagship Show Already Ruined by Elf-friend · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I used to watch it daily too, and I have to say TSS was headed downhill well before Leo left. IMHO, the turning point was when they cut it to an hour from 90 min. After that, it was much faster-paced; and, instead of cutting out some of the fluff spots, they cut out or rushed a lot of the meaty or particularly geeky parts instead. In addition, there was no longer room for the same size cast as before, thus Martin and Morgan were eventually out.

      It's really too bad: TSS was a fine show when it was a leisurely, 90-min. affair. After they sped up the pace, it just wasn't the same show.

      Perhaps, if one were so inclined, one might even trace the beginning of the downward spiral to the move to the new set, or to Megan's departure.

    3. Re:Flagship Show Already Ruined by LeRoco · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As far as I'm concerned, the flagship show on TechTV was The Screen Savers. When the show had Leo, Martin, and Morgan still, it was the best show on television.

      I and many others would disagree. TSS was the absolute best when it was ZDTV and the hosts were Leo and Kate. They worked together wonderfully and Kate is one smart Tech Chick!

      After she left ZDTV (after a breif stint on that gamers show) and then Leo gave up CFH (notice CFH is gone in the new schedule) BTW, Leo was replaced by a total dweeb. All he needed was a pocket protecter and tape on the glasses.

      Well, after Kate left, so did my viewing ZDTV viewing habit. I still tune in occasionally, but it just ain't Leo and Kate. They were special! Thanx for all the good times guys!

      Kate is now in NYC katebotello.net

  32. The real reason... ;) by necro2607 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hmm, I think we can see why at least one employee would be "let go"... Reading your coworkers' AIM conversations and talking about it on TV would probably do it (watch the video clip). Stumbling their Wifi access points might have something to do with it, too...

  33. Another Link by 89cents · · Score: 3, Informative
  34. This is horrible! by lifebouy · · Score: 3, Funny
    I didn't like Leo at first. He's got the whole Chester the Molester thing going, and at first glance, he seems to have a kind of superior attitude. But after a while he grows on you, like a fungus. The whole crew (Leo included) is awesome. I would have liked to see more geeky shows on techtv, like the GNews with Richard Stallman, or a nice studio production of The Linux Show, where you could see them bantering ala the Howard Stern show (but for geeks). I am really sad that they are getting such a bad shake.

    I tell you the truth. If Stargate gets canceled, I'm giving up on TV.

    Next someone will be telling me that Slashdot doesn't really run news, or that they got bought by OSDN. I'd be downhill from there, for sure. Oh, wait...

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    1. Re:This is horrible! by lifebouy · · Score: 2, Funny

      whooooooshhhh.....

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  35. What about DirecTV? by mr_zorg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder what will happen to the channel's availability on DirecTV once they complete the merger... Do you think Comcast will continue to make the channel available to one of their biggest competitors?

    1. Re:What about DirecTV? by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Comcast didn't quite get 100% of the network... Echostar still holds a stake in the network so we're sure that the resulting station will still be on Dish Network. The post-merger network will also inherit TechTV's contract with DirecTV that should keep it there for at least a few years.

      FCC rules require that any cable-company owned network that is not exclusively delivered by landlines must be made available to other signal providers without discrimination. So, it's not likely they can play keep-away like they do so with some of their regional news and sports channels.

    2. Re:What about DirecTV? by michael_cain · · Score: 2, Interesting
      FCC rules require that any cable-company owned network that is not exclusively delivered by landlines must be made available to other signal providers without discrimination.

      I have not kept track of costs, but due to the telecom bubble in the late 1990s, there's a hell of a lot of dark long-haul fiber out there. Will it become affordable for Comcast to use that for distribution, perhaps dropping the smallest cable operators (those who operate in a single small market, for instance) and avoid satellite distribution so that they can cut off DirecTV and the Dish Network?

  36. Low ratings might just be the reason! by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of comments here seem to be bashing Comcast for getting rid of TechTV with various sinister reasons behind the show's demise, but I also a significant number of "haven't watched it in 5 months, if ever" type of comments too. Could it be that TechTV had really low ratings and wasn't cost-effective to keep going? Naa...

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  37. Re:yawn... by rusty0101 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It does depend upon when you watched it. There were times and shows that frankly the world could have lived without. Internet Tonight comes to mind. I liked both people hosting the show, but the content was, well, let me put it this way, the show was supposed to be humorous, and did have good talent, but lousy material.

    For several years Leo Lapprot hosted both Call for Help and The Screensavers. I suspect that trying to handle both audiences (the raw newbies, and the supposed non-newbies, but not supertechs) had an impact on the overall level of content in The Screensavers to it's minor detriment. I think when he handed over Call for Help to the garden gnome, The Screensavers improved tremendously.

    I never was impressed with the talking heads programs, Dvorak's show on the series was something I regularly avoided. Likewise for Martin Sgt's show.

    I did like the "Tech of ..." series, as well as the documentaries on the leaders of technology.

    In the couple of years I watched it, I can say it did help me with being able to explain some of the things I knew, to people who didn't know anything about what I could have been saying.

    They did do several Linux focused episodes, but I would not say that they ever were really focused on Linux. I don't think it would have made sense for them to even have an entire series devoted to Linux, there was not enough of an audience.

    TechTV was one of those stations where if you were at a Best Buy, or even a Computer Renisanse, and started fielding questions that seemed below what you felt comfortable talking about, you could recomend to other customers, or even some of the staff.

    The saddest moment for me related to TechTV was when they let go of Victoria Recaneo from TechTV News. Granted it was the same day they let go of Dvorak, which partially makes up for it, but it sucked all the same. In my opinion TechTV hasn't been the same since, and that ultimately leads to today's announcement, even though the station has been through a couple of changes of hands since then.

    -Rusty

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  38. CNET story by $exyNerdie · · Score: 3, Informative
  39. Adam's the only reason I watch... by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Adam and X-Play are the only reason I really watch much anymore... I do like tech live from time to time.

    If the channel quality degrades much, it might be the opportunity I needed to move to Voom - as the lack of TechTV was holding me back.

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  40. And speaking of the clueless... by Atario · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Moving to LA? Feh. Thanks for ruining the only foothold San Francisco had in TV land, Comcast.

    "UP NEXT: the link between breast implants and computer chips! We'll explain right after this."

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  41. Re:and if Morgan declines... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If Morgan accepts, will you still make an offer to Sarah?

    I know I would.

  42. Stupid enough to cancel the wrong channel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I had G4 when it first came out. Hell, I got a cable box to watch it I was so excited. I can't even describe how many problems they had, from lack of programming, to robot hosts who obviously could give less than 2 shits about gaming, to just insanely pointless programming (That MMORPG show with the HAL9000 voice over). I mean, 8 hours of programming cycled a week. How many times can you watch the same bad show a week? Technically 21. Pathetic.

    Want to merge G4 and TechTV? Fine. Kill G4 and take the maybe 2 hours of programming, fix it, and bring it to TechTV, the better channel.

    Instead, they do the opposite. They kill the wrong channel and basically put the staff that makes TechTV in a position to not want to migrate.

    Comcast should be brown-nosing Morgan Webb and Leo LaPorte like they have gold stuck up their asses. Leo is a pretty smart tech guy that is very personable, easy to understand, and loves his job (none of which are very common in the tech field lately).

    Morgan has a rabid army of unsexed fanboys that would pay an extra 10 bucks a month just to see her for 10 minutes a week. Sad, but true.

    Are we over-reacting? No.

    Because the deal hasn't even went through and Comcast already did the exact opposite of what they SHOULD have done.

  43. Re:And when you though no one could go lower then by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Insightful


    All Comcast is really doing is what cable companies do, look at what is good, and look for what needs to be changed. Sadly their rubric is the almighty dollar, apparently they wern't making enough money (or loosing to much, I don't know the figures) to continue as they were. So they restructured and let a bunch of people go.


    I agree with your general point. However, I think you're a little off on this particular part. Comcast hadn't been running TechTV. Comcast bought TechTV and then announced layoffs shortly after. Whether TechTV was doing well or not may not be the issue (although they did take quite a hit during the dot-bomb).

    But otherwise... right now. This is no SCO-ism.
  44. Hmmm... by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't say I'll miss it. I tried watching TechTV on many occasions, but it was just a little too basic. Most of the shows were nothing more than product ads. I was hoping for something more accessible like scripting and programming. A little Perl, a little C, maybe some Bash and Emacs tips, throw in a little CMD and WScript, even some VB. But most of the shows seemed like a cross between the Home Shopping Network and a ...For Dummies book. I can't stand the Thunderbirds, so that didn't grab me. Besides, that's what Cartoon Network and SciFi are more suited to. The pseudo-scientific shows they had weren't much more than "look at how great these companies are at innovating"!. Not too useful. Now, if they would have run Cosmos (with updates), maybe the original UK version of Battlebots, Dr. Who and had some hardcore programming shows, it would have struck a chord a little more.

  45. Less newsworhty than it seems... by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Everybody got notices today that says at face value that 60 days from now their jobs won't exist. However, that doesn't promise that everybody's a goner...

    See, the WARN act requires that when a downsizing of this scale is going to happen, the employer must give 60 days notice to everybody they're letting go. However, imagine the moral at an office where 2/3 of the people get the notice and the other 1/3 don't... fighting is sure to ensue during the two months before the cutback.

    So, in reality... today's news doesn't really tell us what Comcast is planning. They very well could keep the shows alive, but send the jobs who don't affect the content (PR people, master control techs, salespeople, etc.) to LA.

    The real answer will come exactly 60 days from now...

    1. Re:Less newsworhty than it seems... by Lou57 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Having been hit by the WARN Act ... you absolutely CAN inform 1/3 of the employees they are being laid off. Saw it happen until there was no one left. Imagine being told that a plant was shutting down but that YOU have to stay. I went. My boss, age 60, had to stay for a year in a skeleton crew.

      But your point is right on target -- which is why when we were told that our jobs were eliminated, we were also told that we didn't have to report to work for those 60 days either.

      The real answer will likely come on Monday when the immediate results of this weekends meetings will be made clear. (see Cats blog) Comcast can broadcast reruns from anywhere.

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      Lou
  46. Get Sean Kennedy to run a show in its place by Lewis+Daggart · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everybody wins :D

  47. Grannies and goats by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 2, Funny

    I mean seriously - I'm glad my mail client has the option to supress the loading of remote images. I've had spam that makes my eyes burn :-(

    Click... Click... Click... *ARRGGHH!* *thump*

    I'm learning to love MimeDefang, as I no longer have to field complaints from embarrassed and irritated staff asking how the hell they make this stuff _go_ _away_.

    1. Re:Grannies and goats by HD+Webdev · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I mean seriously - I'm glad my mail client has the option to supress the loading of remote images. I've had spam that makes my eyes burn :-(

      Yes, loading images automatically sucks and also could mean that a person's box suddenly has a cached copy of illegal imagry on their computer. Try to defend having kiddy-porn on a box by saying 'outlook did it, not me, really!'.

      PSA: A lot of people are unaware of the fact that if they don't suppress the loading of those images, the remote web server automagically marks them as a person to send more spam to.

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  48. Re:And when you though no one could go lower then by The+Desert+Palooka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why isn't this right? I mean, I see your point in that it sucks for all involved, but lately I keep getting the general vibe that people think companies exist to provide jobs, when really jobs are investments needed to make money. Heck, jobs are a cost center. If the work being done isn't getting done with your investments you get rid of the investments that aren't returning. That's business, and heck that's life.

    Hey we're all about switching from Windows to Linux right? For $180 XP doesn't do what I want it to do, Linux does it all, for free. Will we say that this massive job loss is bad if/when the Linux desktop revolution happens and Microsoft has to layoff a bunch of workers on the OS side?

  49. Petition, etc... by Shaper+of+Myths · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not that I think they'll listen, but some folks went to the trouble of setting these up (they are posted on Leo's board). Hey it worked for Star Trek and Family Guy right? =)

    Petition 1
    Petition 2
    Petition 3

    Also a direct link to the Comcast complaint bucket...

    Comcast Feedback

  50. Re: Leo, etc. by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know... The thing that impressed me the most about Leo is he comes across as the "teacher" type of person. He presents things well, and almost always has a quick, informed response when questions are thrown at him. He may not be quite as "technical" as some people, but most "very technical" people aren't so skilled at communicating their knowledge so others can understand them (especially when they have a small time window to do it in).

    I think Patrick does a good job too, and agree that he "belongs on the show". To be honest though, I'm not sure it's possible to please "the masses" with any type of computer-centric program. It's the same problem you have if you try to get women to sit down with you and enjoy some show about hot-rodding cars. The majority of them are going to complain and ask you to change channels.

    I suspect the women (Morgan, Cat, etc.) were brought in to try to cancel some of this effect out. Sort of a "Hey, look - here are women who actually LIKE this stuff. See girls, you should give it a chance!" But that's shallow and people generally see right through it.

  51. mirror by hiroshi912681 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Good point, someone DOES need to mirror their content before their site is possibly killed off. There's a plethora of information that should never die off. I've still gone back to look for things on their Internet Tonight links.

    Internet Tonight... wow... I miss ZDTV. =(

  52. Re:Boy was that weak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yah so what? I was told once, that there are two kinds of women in this world... There's the kind of woman you'd do, and then there is the kind of woman you'd do when you're drunk.

    Right now I'm drunk, and I'd definitely do her, but that doesn't answer the question which category she fits in to.

  53. My fifteen minutes... by Prime+Mover · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work (still) at TechTV, in the IT department. AFAIK, next to nothing from the website is being kept. I know that G4 posted a job for an Oracle DBA to transition our DB to their MS SQL. We contacted them on it and they took the job down (google cache: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:E3Q1eTpUtU0J:ww w.entertainmentcareers.net/jobid.asp%3Fjcode%3D229 34+G4+DBA&hl=en )
    A PHB at G4 has his blog at http://hardwarewhore.com/ Classy, no? Not hard to see that they are going to leave a big, flaming divot in the ground.

    1. Re:My fifteen minutes... by OgGreeb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OK. You're in there, then. (Sorry about your job.) What can we do to help mirror the content? What can you do (legally, of course) to feed us the content? Has this been discussed in your department?

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    2. Re:My fifteen minutes... by chrisd · · Score: 2, Funny
      What you don't feel like you're winning? I thought G4 was all about winning! Sorry...good luck with your job, this kind of thing stinks.


      chrisd

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  54. The new Screen Savers is only so-so anyway by cubicle_cowboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I used to watch this show fanatically when it was just Kate and Leo, but as soon as Kate left it just wasn't the same. It seems like since then they've just paraded in a whole slew of different people and none of them ever really stuck with me. Sure, a lot of the new girls are cute, but few of them seem to have Kate's personality.

    As far as G4 goes, I don't see why so many people knock it. To me it has the same feeling TechTV used to have (when it was still ZDTV or whatever). For the most part, the hosts aren't just pretty puppets, but actual gamers and in some cases game industry insiders (the guys on Judgement Day). Also, it's nice to see what some games look like on an actual TV screen in motion instead of just as screen shots on the web. Lastly, Icons is a really great show. It's nice hearing about video game history from the people who lived it. Anyway, enough ranting, these rays aren't going to trace themselves :)

  55. I can't win, dammit! by MsGeek · · Score: 2

    Echostar is a partner with Comcast on G-4.
    DirecTV is owned by Right-wing prick Rupert Murdoch.
    Comcast is eying Adelphia, which owns my community's cable franchise.
    Guess I'm sticking with rabbit ears.

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  56. What about unscrewed with Martin Sargent? by Adolph_Hitler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Robot Wars sucks, Fresh Gear is ok, but TechTV was a cool channel. At least they are keeping Anime Unleashed, X-Play and the screen savers.

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  57. Family Guy by bobobobo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Hey it worked for Star Trek and Family Guy right? =)

    Actually, Family Guy's revival was largely attributable to phenomenal DVD sales.

  58. Youre welcome! by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Funny

    >I'm sure it will be replaced with something highly mediocre.

    Marketing: "Can't you see, we're in the middle of a paradigm shift, we're being proactive and pro-consumer! We've got to get more eyeballs on the screen. Imminetize the Eschaton!"

    Customer: "Umm, what the hell does that mean?"

    Marketing: "More religious programming and infomercials."

  59. To paraphrase South Park by Zenmonkeycat · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Where were you, when they fired the TechTV staff? Did it make you wanna cry, or did you think it was kinda gay?"

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    I yearn for you tragically,
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  60. Not all geeks are gamers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Merging TechTV into G4 assumes all geeks are gamers. For me, TechTv was ScreenSavers, Tech Live and Call for Help and afew other non-gaming shows.

    Perhaps it's just harder to find the demographics for geeks vs gamers, and thus made it easier at the boardroom to pitch a gaming show vs a tech show, but it seems to me that the silent majority has once again been shafted.

    I would like to be proven wrong (with stats) that the tech crowd was a larger pool than the pure gamers; it'd give meaning to this madness.

  61. Even funnier by mcc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It isn't just G4 has an even smaller niche audience, it's that G4 has an even smaller niche audience which hates it. I spend time looking at video game news/discussion sites, and G4 seems to be universally reviled as pointless, artificial and just plain stupid among the exact people who appear to be their target audience.

    Obviously what I've seen isn't fully representative of the video game "fan" audience, but the thing is that G4 viewers aren't just a minority of the people I've seen-- they've been totally nonexistent. The most positive thing I've seen said about G4 ever is one person on a message board once who said they liked G4 because it made good "background noise". This as opposed to TechTV, which seems to have a relatively large, diverse, and visible favorable following.

    As a non-cable subscriber, I cannot comment myself on the quality of either channel, since instead of watching television I just play video games and read Slashdot.

    1. Re:Even funnier by Trifthen · · Score: 2, Informative

      To be fair, people often complain more than they praise. Sometimes the vocal minority can skew the perception of a community. We at Slashdot should know this.

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  62. Two words... (ok, a bit more than two) by Dave21212 · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Satellite Dish

    Comcast is a sanctioned monopoly here in Baltimore. I finally got completely fed up a few years ago after the tried to (in my opinion) scam me twice in two months, First, they tried slamming tactics to get me to sign up for cable moden (the typical one where the salesperson says one thing and the recording you say 'yes' to says another). The next time someone called and the first thing they said was, "Do you have a computer ?" My wife being the savy character that she is asked, "Who the hell are you and why are you asking me about the contents of my home!" She told the idiot telemarketer from Comcast that it was an inappropriate question and the sucker hung up on her (bad mistake). One complaint to the FCC, and a letter to the local Comcast PHBs copied to our county rep later, and they agreed to never call us again (on paper).

    I signed up for DirectTV, then, rather than spend an hour on hold just to wait between '8am and 4pm' for a tech one day, I climbed the side of my house and with a pair of side cutters, and cut the cord (literally and figuratively) with the Evil Empire that is Comcast.

    Questionable sales techniques, monopoly deals that overide local govt. (they are fed regulated BTW), higher prices, horrible customer service, receive-only "Internet connections", policies that are anti-customer and dare I say, anti-American ! - why would anyone give these rats a red cent ! At least if they bought Disney I could have focused my distain on one entity for a while ;)

    I can only hope we see the return of TechTV on DirectTV one day... Access provider monopolies mixed with content giants is a recipe for disaster.

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  63. The most annoying hosts on Tech TV by adzoox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tech TV was about the same as /. in a lot of regards to technology.

    You have Leo Laporte - about the only bearable personality and pretty much the lone Mac/Linux/P2P advocate in every situation

    You have Patrick (Screensaver) - this guy was anti everything - and honestly contributes little to any show - his interview skills were only good if he had them decently written on a notecard

    Morgan Webb - I never saw what Xplay itself claimed - that she was a goddess that got tons of fanmail - she looks kind of mongoloid - has a great body though

    Cat Schwartz - this chick is the female version of Patrick and after seeing her Howard Stern interview only confirmed she is a real bitch in everyday life - she also was a bandwagoner - what ever was cool - she wanted it it or had it

    Then there was the couple that liked each other on the screensavers. Sarah Lane was genuinely funny and Kevin Rose was genuinely knowledgeable - although a Mac hater in most regards

    Originally you had the gay announcer that I think still produced and directed - I was personally aware of his live coverage of MacWorld Expo 2001 and that it WAS DEMANDED by Apple that he was fired

    Then you have Fresh Gear - what happed to Sumi Daas? She was awesome - had a true platform agnostic computer bias and was actually pretty good in her reviews. She was replaced by a girl with an annorexia problem and a guy that does infomercials (really, Chris Leary does several)

    Chris Parillo (former host of Call For Help) was the most annoying geek to ever be on TV and just about every show would say how much he hated the Mac platform and Linux. Although he was very knowledgeable

    I'd also like to point out that the former owners were a company owned by Paul Allen. When the show Microsoft Insider popped up I knew it was a downward spiral. This wasn't a show, it was a pro Microsoft Windows propoganda. (An infomercial without the warnings)

    I thought Invent This was the best show I have seen on TV in a while and I hope it either stays or finds The Discovery Channel.

    I also liked Eye Drops (computer animation showcase) - yet I never understood why they didn't do more episodes after it won an emmy.

    I really liked Megan Morrone and the girl that moved on to CNN - they both were knowledgeable and palettable.

    I got tired of Leo constantly promoting himself like a God. I think all of this will be a good change. If the "cast" is good enough, they will find other work.

    Everyone except Adam Sessler (Xplay) - that guy is honestly retarded.

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  64. re: the WARN Act by usurper_ii · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not much for government interference in the market place, but the WARN Act certainly seems to be a good thing to me. Had it not been for that legislation, these guys very likely would not have found out about being fired until they came to work one morning and found their door code didn't work any longer.

    I was involved in a large company that scanned and converted military documents into a SGML format. Had it not been for the WARN Act, I'm sure those SOBs would have never told us a word about them going under...until the day it happened. And I really think it pained them to have to tell us. Not because they felt sorry for us, but that they didn't want anyone to know until our freaking door codes no longer worked!

    Usurper_ii

  65. Family Guy by pherris · · Score: 2, Informative
    bobo is quite right. Fox killed off the Family Guy (IMO one incredible show). I'm guessing that the DVDs in the beginning were seen as a way to squeeze the last bit of life out of it. Well, DVDs fly off the presses, becomes the second best selling tv series collection in history and thankfully FG was brought back from the dead. Moral of the story: in this day and age while network tv to dvd is nice and common it's now no longer a requirement. FG will come back on Fox or CN (hoping for CN because the censors will give them a lot more room.

    So what does this have to do with TechTV? Someone with cash could start up a new TechTV style network, have "masters" classes (along with the normal stuff) to teach advanced subjects for advanced users like photoshop, networking, GIMP, etc. and sell the series on DVDs (through themselves and/or retailers like amazon. They could also build a web site that has less flash, more useful information and allow users to interact in a more useful way.

    IMO DVDs could be a nice dependable revenue stream for a new network.

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  66. Surprised no one has mentioned it.. by AnswerIs42 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    (unless it is below +3)

    This also gets TechTV OFF of DirecTV. How better to get people from your competition than to take away their channels and put them on a channel that they can't get!

    Been what? almost 2 years and STILL no Anime Network on DirecTV, what makes anyone think that G4 will show up anytime soon?

    Well, double checking.. it will be on Dish Network.. so, I can watch it when I go to visit back home 2 or 3 times a year.

  67. Re:Boy was that weak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The funny thing is that she's better than you are going to get in your entire pathetic life.

  68. Unpublihed picture by omega9 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I found a picture of the new TechTV staff

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  69. Same here, Adam is hilarious. by Viewsonic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't count how many times his sense of humor has crossed the line into absurdly Pythonishique territory. It would be a real shame to lose this guy because not only is he funny as hell, his reviews are some of the most trusted i've ever seen. Nearly every game he's reviewed has been dead on with my thoughts. Morgan on the other hand is pretty monotone, and her reviews are not nearly as engaging as Adams. And she has zero humor. We all know what she does have though, and I think we can all agree she needs to pay up for us clicking those links over and over to get her naked in Playboy.

  70. a typo... really, Lucknow, Avadh, India by slew · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some additional information:

    LA == Lucknow, Avadh, India...

    Sorry about any confusion. Nothing to see here, please move along and continue your offshoring/outsourcing, nothing to see here...

  71. Goodbye Kevin Rose! by LilMikey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thank goodness that weenie is getting booted. My God, there's a reason they don't usually stick a dude and his girlfriend on the same show... don't they know relationships make geeks uncomfortable?

    Combine that with the "I'm a haxor and so much cooler than you even though I don't know much of anything" attitude and you got a real tool on TV show. I'm telling you, he was the -1 Troll of TV land. I can't believe Sarah, who seems to have an ounce of coolness is going out with this putz.

    Leo, Patrick, Morgan, Adam, Cat, hell even that british dude that hosts the retarded 'bot wrestling' show... ya'll will be missed. Kevin... you will not.

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  72. Wil did warn you by Syberghost · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wil did warn you that G4 sucked.

    So now, they dicked a whole bunch of other nice people. Is this a news flash?

  73. TechTV and G4 by feidaykin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This might be a good time to read up on why Wil Wheaton quit hosting "Arena" on G4, the same G4 that is now merging with TechTV.

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