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THX-1138: The (Digitally Enhanced) Director's Cut

StefanJ writes "This is either a marvelous Photoshop hoax or something really . . . cool? Sacreligious? Unnecessary? Reportedly, George Lucas has given his first commercially released movie, THX1138, a digital workover, enhancing backgrounds and altering scenes for more eye-appeal. Here are some comparisons of original and altered scenes. For those who haven't seen the film: Without giving too much away, it's about a working stiff living in a repressive underground bomb-shelter society. Emotion-suppressing drugs are mandatory; people shuffle from work to home, pausing to buy consumer goods along the way. (The goods aren't used for anything; you just feed them into a disposal unit after you get home. Making them keeps people busy . . .) If the drugs don't work, you can vent your spleen in a confession booth manned by a really bad A.I. It's really bleak, and sometimes ugly, but worth seeing. I hope the enhancements don't add too much color: The drab, sterile, white-on-white environment of the underground city is an important mood-setter. Consume more; be happy!"

275 comments

  1. Excellent, but I'm waiting for ... by Cy+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As far as first films by future 'masters' is concerned. I'd rather wait for the digitally enhanced version of John Carpenter's Dark Star to be made and released. The existing DVD already has a Director's cut included (this might be the un-enhanced student version though, I've only seen the movie on cable).

    1. Re:Excellent, but I'm waiting for ... by Threni · · Score: 1

      I love that film, though I always thought it was a bit long. Is there going to be a more carefully edited version available? I'm not sure which of the versions you mentioned I've seen. Whatever gets shown on UK TV every 7 years.

    2. Re:Excellent, but I'm waiting for ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the short version is the student version. The studio made him pad it out to feature length for release. The orginal short version is the one he is happiest with.

    3. Re:Excellent, but I'm waiting for ... by ivanmarsh · · Score: 1

      John Carpenter would never be as thick minded as Lucas has been about ruining his own prior art.

      Dark Star is a great film just how it is (I'm pretty sure you agree with that. At least I hope your post was tounge-in-cheek) from its questionable acting all the way to its special effects that made the original Star Trek, flashlight on a ball of tin-foil effects, look high-tech.

      I hate to think I'll never be able to get the original Lucas films in their original format. For that matter, I want the original release of Blade Runner.

      Screwing with THX should be considered a crime against humanity.

      When will these directors learn? If you want to put out a new version, fine. Just make sure the original is still available.

    4. Re:Excellent, but I'm waiting for ... by metamatic · · Score: 1

      The version with Doolittle playing the bottle organ is the long version; the short version is the "Director's Cut".

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    5. Re:Excellent, but I'm waiting for ... by Slorg · · Score: 1

      "I hate to think I'll never be able to get the original Lucas films in their original format. For that matter, I want the original release of Blade Runner."

      Laserdisc. Most of Lucas' movies were released on optical laserdisc in their original form. This includes THX-1138, the Star Wars original trilogy, and things that Lucas will never ever release on DVD, like 'Twice Upon A Time'.

      If you want a nice Star Wars LD set, look for a Japanese release, this used a nicer film print for the transfer than the US discs. Now off to eBay with you.

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    6. Re:Excellent, but I'm waiting for ... by belroth · · Score: 1
      I want the original release of Blade Runner.
      Me too, I'd be happy with no extras at all, just a straight transfer of the original masterpiece to DVD.
      Oh, and that goes for Dark Star too.
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    7. Re:Excellent, but I'm waiting for ... by Threni · · Score: 1

      I remember that. I guess that's what they've been showing. Having said that, I'm sure I've seen 14 different versions of 2001 on tv over the years.

      I like the bottle organ - sounds a bit like Harry Partch.

    8. Re:Excellent, but I'm waiting for ... by meatplow · · Score: 1

      This was just re-mastered last month for DVD. I know nothing of the DVD authoring or release schedule, but the new HD master has been made last month.

      Meatplow.

    9. Re:Excellent, but I'm waiting for ... by ivanmarsh · · Score: 1

      I guess I should have mentioned that Dark Star was released quite a while ago on DVD.

    10. Re:Excellent, but I'm waiting for ... by rirugrat · · Score: 1

      ...James Cameron's "Pirahna Part Two: The Spawning" Director's Cut on DVD.

    11. Re:Excellent, but I'm waiting for ... by zonker · · Score: 0

      there are about 5 or 6 different cuts of blade runner, each quite different from each other. the dvd release of the 'director's cut' is hardly a directors cut either... i have the directors cut dvd and a copy of the workprint on tape (a VERY different version of the movie). read this book...

    12. Re:Excellent, but I'm waiting for ... by sirshannon · · Score: 1

      I bought a used VHS copy of Dark Star from my local video store about half my life ago. They had 2 and nobody rented it except for me and my friends, so it was a no-brainer for him to sell it to me.

      I've always wondered if Ray Bradbury saw the movie and got pissed about the ending that is completely ripped off from one of his short stories.

  2. It's real. by omega9 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I saw the enhanced trailer for it not to long ago.

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    1. Re:It's real. by JBdH · · Score: 2, Informative

      it's here

    2. Re:It's real. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hot, damn!

      Is the movie as freaky as that web site? Kinda makes Slaughter House 5 look tame by comparison.

  3. Hey, you bum! by moehoward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Get back to working on Star Wars, you lazy bum. And do it right this time!

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  4. South park by yootje · · Score: 3, Informative

    This reminds me very strong of an episode from South Park: Free Hat...

    1. Re:South park by Cratylus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Why did this get modded down? That South Park episode directly dealt with Lucas and Spielberg redoing their classic movies.

    2. Re:South park by Siener · · Score: 2, Funny
      My favourite bit in the Free Hat episode:

      Announcer: Coming, this summer! It's the digitally enhanced re-release of the very first pilot episode of South Park! Yes, the classic, rough, hand-made first episode is getting a make-over for 2002! The simple, funny aliens are now super badass and kewl! Flying saucer? No longer cheap construction paper, but a 4.0 megapixel constructed through a masterpiece of technology! Everything's new! New is better!

      Trey Parker: When we first made South Park, we didn't wanna use construction paper. We just had to because it was cheap.

      Matt Stone: And now with new technology we can finally remaster South Park, make it look sharp, clean and focused.

      Trey: Expensive.

      Announcer: Yes, all the charm of a simple little cartoon will melt before your eyes as it is replaced by newer and more standardized animation! Trey: For instance, in the scene at the bus stop, we always meant to have Imperial walkers and giant dewback lizards in the background, but simply couldn't afford it.

      Announcer: Get this special enhanced version quick, because another enhanced version will likely be coming out for 2003!

      It's a very good episode, and it reflects exactly how many people feel about the "improvement" of old movies

  5. Heh... by theM_xl · · Score: 1

    Bet I can predict the mood of the webserver, and it isn't happy. Anyone have a mirror?

    1. Re:Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Here you go.

      Hot! Hot! Hot!

    2. Re:Heh... by SpinyManiac · · Score: 2, Funny

      He deserved the Slashdotting for disabling right click.

      Let it burn!

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    3. Re:Heh... by stecoop · · Score: 1

      Mozilla needs a plugin to disable the disabled right click. Too bad I can't cross post into today's Mozilla plugin article

    4. Re:Heh... by SpinyManiac · · Score: 1

      It's the principle of the thing.

      He's breaking web functionality.

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    5. Re:Heh... by kirun · · Score: 1

      You can restore your context menu, and do a ton of other stuff, with the power of bookmarklets.

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    6. Re:Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He deserved the Slashdotting for disabling right click.

      Let it burn!

      If you're trying to save the images, you don't need to right-click to get them. View the source, find the url to the images and paste them into the address bar. Pain in the ass? Sure, but it can be done.
    7. Re:Heh... by redog · · Score: 1

      Obviously you haven't visited firefox's extentions page latly. The Allow Right Click extention is tested in mozilla as well as firefox.

    8. Re:Heh... by SpinyManiac · · Score: 1

      I had Firefox and IE trying to load the page.
      IE won, but didn't load the images.
      I right clicked on an image to tell IE to load it, and it was disabled.

      His Javascript is actually blocking access to his content under those conditions.
      That might be a good thing though, saving his bandwidth.

      There are for ways I know of to get around it.
      Re-enable right click with an extension.
      Pull the image from the cache (if it loads in the first place).
      Read the source and get to the images directly.
      Save the page and pull the images from there. This is my usual technique.

      Better still, someone posted a URL with the same images and blurb. It had more images too.

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    9. Re:Heh... by stecoop · · Score: 1

      I tried this plugging but I still get the pop-up block from the web page in this article. Maybe Version 2.0 will get it right for Mozilla 1.7.1.

  6. Greedo shoots first?! by Brain+Stew · · Score: 1

    Sorry, it was obligatory...

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    1. Re:Greedo shoots first?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      New /. poll:

      Who shot first?

      Han
      Greedo
      Cowboy Neal

  7. Any Mirrors? by adavies42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anybody mirror this before it died?

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    1. Re:Any Mirrors? by crackshoe · · Score: 0

      ummm... no they aren't.

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    2. Re:Any Mirrors? by lnxcwby · · Score: 1

      you should get extra mod points for the Clutch reference in your sig :-D -- "Bother," said Pooh, as he chambered another round.

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    3. Re:Any Mirrors? by WyerByter · · Score: 1

      Not to worry, the mirror is dead too.

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  8. RE:THX-1138: The (Digitally Enhanced) Director's C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    " I must have the latest PowerBook"...

  9. Too bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The poor guy's server is going tits up already.

    There were a ton of good pics there if you could have read it in the mysterious future!

  10. Comparison page slashdoted by omega9 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a second comparison page here

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    1. Re:Comparison page slashdoted by Placido · · Score: 0

      Your sig is making my head hurt. I know it, I've read it somewhere and the style reminds me of an author but for the life of me I can't figure out who or what book.

      Is it THHGTTG??? Terry Pratchet? Argh!

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    2. Re:Comparison page slashdoted by omega9 · · Score: 1

      It's an excerpt from the opening paragraph of Frozen Journey by Philip K. Dick. I think it first appeared in Playboy in the early 80's, but now it's part of a collection of stories in I Hope I Shall Arive Soon.

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    3. Re:Comparison page slashdoted by Placido · · Score: 1

      Oh... guessed completely wrong then. I'm not a huge fan of short stories but I might have to read it.

      Thanks for the reply.

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  11. Slashdotted? by Zeroth_darkos · · Score: 0

    Seems DavisDVD.com got to feel the power of slashdotting.

  12. Did do like his buddy Stevie by Universal+Nerd · · Score: 1

    And substitute weapons for walkie talkies and replace the word "terrorist" for "unamerican"?

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    1. Re:Did do like his buddy Stevie by tolan-b · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Have you seen the South Park episode about Spielberg and Lucas 'improving' their films? It's excellent, recommended.

    2. Re:Did do like his buddy Stevie by Universal+Nerd · · Score: 1

      Yup. Great episode...

      Indiana Jones with a walkie talkie instead of a whip. :)

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    3. Re:Did do like his buddy Stevie by freqres · · Score: 1

      Maybe he could also put in a white guy with his face painted black and talks like mush mouth from Fat Albert.

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    4. Re:Did do like his buddy Stevie by Mister+Black · · Score: 1

      he also replaced the police cars with dewbacks and the motorcycles with speeders

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  13. There are THX fans? by Brain+Stew · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From what I understand, THX is decent at best. It's only gained esteem due to his other titles out there.

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    1. Re:There are THX fans? by harrkev · · Score: 1, Troll

      I saw this move on TV back in the early 80's. I just remember that the movie was boring and pointless. Being a Star Wars fan at the time (and still am), I was just dying to see the first movie from the mighty Lucas.

      Boy was I disappointed. That was one of the worst movies that I have ever seen. I think that calling it "decent" would be too kind.

      I think that it would be a tie between "THX-1138" and "Desparate Living!" If you do not know what "Desparate Living" is, consider yourself lucky.

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    2. Re:There are THX fans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      I guarantee that Manos: The Hands of Fate is worse.

    3. Re:There are THX fans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like it, but I have a fallout-shelter fetish.

      Really, what makes the film 'great' (if you can stand 'art'/'experimental' pieces) these days is the period look. Not just because it has has the 'filmed in a mall' look of all pre-Star-Wars "SF," but because it took that 'look' and put it to (IMHO) uncompromisingly good use.

      Unfortunately, this attempt to 'open up' the underground environment reminds me of a knockoff of Babylon 5 and The Fifth Element (both entertaining/respectable on their own), and the inserted scenes have erased some of the 'shoddiness' you'd *expect* in the 'world' of a shelter-city dug in the last volley of the Cold War... and added in some incongruous 'grunge' that wouldn't occur in the controlled environment (which, for all its faults, wouldn't have suffered for hydrocarbon air pollution). A lot of people probably don't 'get' the car chase, which is very amusingly "'70s," but the cars are crap because they're really just pretty electric scooters. Meanwhile, that final shot keeps the suspense until the very end with your first viewing, and in the original cut, it's only when the credits roll that you realize THX did make it to the surface, for better or for worse.

      I think Lucas would've done better here if he'd *only* gone back and edited the robots (which have more than just a little bit of C3PO 'guy in a suit' feel in the original) to be creepier... though at the same time, in the original (without so many sweeping robot-factory shots; I'd always assumed the factory was reassembling fuel for the reactor that kept the whole place lit and running), you can almost assume the culture never actually *figured out* how to make robots, and instead had 'evolved' a police caste brainwashed from birth to think they were. (Bit of a stretch to take that interpretation, but it sure fits with the vibe of the place in the original.)

    4. Re:There are THX fans? by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 0

      American Graffiti is about a hundred times better.

    5. Re:There are THX fans? by schon · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think that it would be a tie between "THX-1138" and "Desparate Living!" If you do not know what "Desparate Living" is, consider yourself lucky.

      OK, I haven't seen "Desparate Living", but I have seen THX-1138.. and I gotta say, if you think that was the worst movie you've seen, then you've never seen "Santa Claus vs. the Martians" or "Tammy and the T-Rex"

      These are two HUGE stinkers... seriously, I didn't think it was possible to make movies that bad.

    6. Re:There are THX fans? by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From what I understand, THX is decent at best. It's only gained esteem due to his other titles out there.

      I've seen it. It was one of the best movies that I hated to watch. It is depressing, but insightful. I highly recommend anyone remotely interested in scifi to watch it. This is a real scifi flick, not a fantasy story like the Star Wars saga. It may have gained esteem from Lucas' other titles, but everyone who knows the movie puts it in its own category.

  14. Looks exactly like the original... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...with the white-on-white borderless rooms. All the actors seem to be removed in this version. And I don't think I remember the "website cannot be found" message in the original.

    1. Re:Looks exactly like the original... by dmitri2060 · · Score: 1

      Is there a new character, named just "X". I saw a few images of his badge.

    2. Re:Looks exactly like the original... by Art+Tatum · · Score: 1

      No, no, no. All the actors have been replaced by Ewoks. With walkie-talkies.

  15. Famous last words by kalpol · · Score: 5, Funny

    Them:"Lucas is updating X movie to show his true vision which couldn't be expressed at the time due to technical limitations." Us: "Please God no."

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    1. Re: Famous last words by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny


      > Them:"Lucas is updating X movie to show his true vision which couldn't be expressed at the time due to technical limitations." Us: "Please God no."

      So, you won't be rushing out to buy Jar-Jar 3D?

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    2. Re:Famous last words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this version, the robot policeman shoots first!

  16. No Hoax by mfh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I saw this first on Fark quite some time ago. They even had a photoshop contest for it. After a little research, this is no hoax at all. I can't wait to see what Lucas does with this film, a film that lead to so many others like it, yet none were quite as good. Can't wait to see the final results!

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    1. Re:No Hoax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice user #, did you buy it off of e-bay? :)

  17. Ummmm, by Gannoc · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Hasn't Mr. "Lets do another trivially improved release of my movie so people cough up another $20 for it" kind of lost his right to make a movie criticizing consumerism?

    Or perhaps he's already taking those drugs, which explains his directing on Episode II.

    1. Re:Ummmm, by clontzman · · Score: 1

      Er... do you mean Sam Raimi? Or Quentin Tarantino? Or James Cameron? Because George Lucas hasn't double-dipped on a DVD release yet.

      I know there were umpteen versions of the Star Wars movies on videotape, but that was five years ago... people need to get over it. I know it's hip to rag on Lucas around here, but you need to find a different avenue to go down than double-dipping these days.

    2. Re:Ummmm, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Hasn't Mr. "Lets do another trivially improved release of my movie so people cough up another $20 for it" kind of lost his right to make a movie criticizing consumerism?

      Yes but he doesn't need to promote it when Slashdot does that for him.

    3. Re:Ummmm, by mugnyte · · Score: 1


      Having made homemade theatrcal film once, and then looking back at it to yearn for more resources to improve it, I liken it to refactoring code. There's just so many great things Lucas can do that other directors don't, I think it's a generous and thoughtful concept to spent time on this, rather than write and churn out another film altogether.

      I think THX-1138 may just get another 2nd-run theater release around here (Portland, OR, USA) for this. I hope Star Wars III to V are next. I don't buy the DVDs - nor own any VHS tapes - but every 5 years or so, I'll watch it again and if it's been improved/changed - I'm game. I think Lucas is betting "so is the rest of the market".

      mug

    4. Re:Ummmm, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George Lucas hasn't double-dipped on a DVD release yet.... I know it's hip to rag on Lucas around here, but you need to find a different avenue to go down than double-dipping these days.

      Yeah, of course he hasn't double-dipped, the jackass still hasn't even released the three movies people actually want to see on DVD. And when he does, they'll be his fucked-over versions with extra cheese. And I'll wager any amount of money that there will be a "new, improved" version to come in the future. That, or shortly after the regular DVD release will come the HD-DVD release.

  18. The Oblig Wiki link. by CGP314 · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:The Oblig Wiki link. by kindbud · · Score: 1

      Wiki Links Are Not Obligatory. Good Night!

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    2. Re:The Oblig Wiki link. by CGP314 · · Score: 1

      Wiki Links Are Not Obligatory. Good Night!


      Well, they should be ; )

  19. temporary mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  20. I hate director's cuts unless… by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...they include the original version and include scene markers. I'm a real stickler for the originals. I love the latest Alien release. It includes the original theatrical release and then a director's cut where I can activate text scene markers and know exactly what was changed. You can choose what versions you like best and actually learn something about how the editing process can change your perception of a film.

  21. Brave New World? by jvschwarz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The story line seems like a ripoff from Aldous Huxley's book Brave New World. Which happens to be a great book if you've never read it.

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    1. Re:Brave New World? by sita · · Score: 1

      The story line seems like a ripoff from Aldous Huxley's book Brave New World. Which happens to be a great book if you've never read it.

      Yeah, that happens to me quite often. A good book turns bad just as soon as I start reading it. I never learn!

    2. Re:Brave New World? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was the case with this book for me: it sounded better before I read it. Then I read it and can't even remember whether I finished it or gave up. The characters tired me out.

    3. Re:Brave New World? by Silverlock · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While I agree that THX-1138 is obviously inspired by Brave New World, I think calling it a "ripoff" is a bit harsh. That implies that he just ganked the plot and made a few bucks. What it is, is a reworking of some of the same themes within a different medium. That's perfectly legitimate and valuable in many cases.

      THX-1138 is also one of a depressingly few science fiction movies that isn't watered-down drivel with some special effects thrown in. I highly recommend it.

    4. Re:Brave New World? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many (most, all) movies use the plot from earlier successful literature. Sometimes these movies suck, sometimes they are very good.

      Judge the work for what it is. Or are you just trying to appear smart by realizing THX uses a lot of the ideas in Brave New World? Thought so - didn't work.

    5. Re:Brave New World? by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 1

      isn't watered-down drivel with some special effects thrown in.

      Yet, Solverlock. Yet.

    6. Re:Brave New World? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      And the RPG Paranoia probably gets a lot from THX-1138. (Or maybe Logan's Run. :) If people couldn't take a basic idea and add their own interpretation, we might as well pack it in.

      A Silverlock defending the commonwealth of ideas made me smile.

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    7. Re:Brave New World? by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      That's a shame, because the best bit is right at the end.

    8. Re:Brave New World? by mikael · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I was in high school, our Political Science/English teacher managed to turn it into a interesting discussion "Do you think information technology will turn society into a world like Brave New World, where information is valuable and jealously guarded, or a world like 1984, where information is worthless and is constantly being overproduced?

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    9. Re:Brave New World? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      half of the books and movies relating to babies in test tubes and, drugs to keep us appeased are direct descendants of this book... it is a shame not many people know about it, expecially here on /.

    10. Re:Brave New World? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It only seems like an interesting discussion. The premise is flawed because it suggests one of the two possibilities must happen, which is unlikely. Furthermore it suggests that IT, an ambigous buzzword, will be the precipitating factor. I've not read Brave New World nor 1984, yet I can say no information is worthless unless it is untrue, yet attaching a value to information in turn sets a price which in turn implies ownership of information which is impossible.

      A truly interesting topic of discussion would be, "Will advancements in technology enable entities to surpress information for purposes of their own benefit to a greater extent than it will empower entities the ability to share information for the benefit of all?"

      That discussion would lead to the even more interesting discussion topic of, "Is it more beneficial for all to have powerful entities motivated by their own benefit control technologies and drive them forward than to prevent any technology from being controlled allowing all to drive technology forward motivated soley by the benefit of all?"

      Foundation topics would of course be "To what extent can an entity truly control any technology?" and "To what extent can any entity truly be motivated by the benefit of all without regard to personal benefit?"

      Can you see how this is mirrored by present day circumstances as well as dating back throughout the history of man?

      It approaches the ultimate discussion topic, "What is the meaning of life?" Of course, is there really any topic that wouldn't lead here? ...Flynn

    11. Re:Brave New World? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which is itself a rip-off of a much earlier book "We" by Yevgeny Zamyatin, IMHO.

    12. Re:Brave New World? by AssFace · · Score: 1

      What is it about movies that are based on Brave New World and the Marin County Civic Center by FLW?

      Both Gattaca and THX-1138 use it, and both are BNW inspired?

      I mean, aside from the fact that it is fucking awesome looking.

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    13. Re:Brave New World? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The story line seems like a ripoff from Aldous Huxley's book Brave New World. Which happens to be a great book if you've never read it.


      Aldous Huxley's book Brave New World seems like a ripoff from We. Which happens to be a great book if you've never read it. And so on...

  22. Lucas has lost it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is yet more proof that George has lost his touch as a director. The man seems completely reliant upon special effects to sell movies now. The back-end motivation seems to be: Who cares if it sucks, the special effects will make up for that.

    The LoTR movies prove that special effects and good directing can coexist in a movie. The Star Wars prequals prove that you can sell movies and merchandise on special effects alone... I guess this is historical fact to game players; look at how many games sold well on eye candy alone.

    1. Re:Lucas has lost it... by YellowElf · · Score: 1
      Well, rather than "proof that George has lost his touch" why not say "reinforces my opinion that George has lost his touch"? It's more accurate, less snippy, and doesn't incite a flamewar over whose opinion has the best proof.

      It's troll because it incites people like me to correct you. See the definition for troll.

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    2. Re:Lucas has lost it... by illumina+us · · Score: 1

      LOTR movies had good directing and special effects? The special effects were pheonominal to say the least. However-- have you read the books? Parts of the story were completely rewritten in the movie. Such as Pippin lighting the beacons of Gondor. I was infuriated with how many inconsistences and rewrites there were in the movies. The books were masterpieces and the movies fail to represent properly.

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    3. Re:Lucas has lost it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 1200 page book does not fit into even 3 movies well. Peter Jackson did a superb job of bringing the story to the big screen as true-to-form as can possibly be expected when you turn a book into a movie.

      Look at how much MORE usually changes when a book is turned into a movie. Peter did this one justice, but was perhaps confused by some parts of the book.

      The most silly change I noticed was the Elves coming to the aid of Rohan.

      There is only 1 real plot screw up in the movies; That of the Nazgul becoming aware of the ring bearer in Osgiliath. If that had happened the City would have been overrun in hours.

    4. Re:Lucas has lost it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see plenty-o top level news on /. that contain opinions of people without actually saying they are opinions. Given the nature of this site I would expect the fact that someone's post IS opinion would go without saying.

    5. Re:Lucas has lost it... by illumina+us · · Score: 1

      How about the becons of Gondor? The stewart of Gondor was not mad to begin with. He became mad after his son died. Having the becons of Gondor not lit and him refusing to light them portrayed him as mad. Not to mention Pippin never lit the becons and as a servant of the stewart would not allow himself to.

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  23. So What? by Walrus99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Big deal. THX has to be the most boring Sci-Fi movie ever made. Its even more boring than watching a guy race robots on an empty ship in "Silent Running." Don't see THX expecting the pacing and excitement of the first Star Wars. Its just people shuffling around in bad clothes and having pointless conversations. If I want to see that I can go to the mall on weekdays and watch old people.

    1. Re:So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I happen to disagree with your assesment of both films. It's just an opinion. I would say it would be more accurate to say that the impact of both films lies less in the action and more in the character development. If you are a fan of what passes for sci-fi these days (action films) you will find little appeal in THX or Silent Running.

    2. Re:So What? by thelexx · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Its just people shuffling around in bad clothes and having pointless conversations. If I want to see that I can go to the mall on weekdays and watch old people."

      Heh, sounded to me like you were describing teenagers.

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    3. Re:So What? by anaplasmosis · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot. "THX1138" and "Silent Running" are among the best SF movies ever made. Just because your retarded intellect is unable to comprehend ideas rather than explosions and tits, does not make them bad movies.

    4. Re:So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SF does not translate well to live action film (with a few very notable exceptions). Animation is a bit better, but books remain the natural medium of science fiction.

    5. Re:So What? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Kind of ironic that he's redoing the SFX now that he can afford a bigger budget when you think about the ending of the movie.

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    6. Re:So What? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      Its just people shuffling around in bad clothes and having pointless conversations. If I want to see that I can go to the mall on weekdays and watch old people.

      D00d, if you had any idea how today's "youthful, hip-hop culture" looks and sounds to anyone over the age of 40, you'd change your analogy in a heartbeat.

    7. Re:So What? by AnonymousKev · · Score: 1
      "Its just people shuffling around in bad clothes and having pointless conversations. If I want to see that I can go to the mall on weekdays and watch old people."

      ...or rent Waking Life. Wooo. Talk about wanting my two hours back.

      I'll have to admit, watching the different styles of animation was interesting ... for a bit. With some good editing, it would have made a terrific 15 minute short.

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    8. Re:So What? by dbc001 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Please don't mod the parent down just because you disagree. THX 1138 is slow, deliberate, cerebral, and careful; and most movie fans (especially those who prefer the quick pace of modern cinema) will indeed find it boring. Those of us who prefer movies that stimulate the mind over those that stimulate the adrenaline glands and genitals will find THX quite enjoyable. The parent post still makes a valid point: many people (slashdot readers included) will find that THX 1138 doesn't have the kind action that they like.

    9. Re:So What? by nagora · · Score: 1
      THX has to be the most boring Sci-Fi movie ever made.

      Ah, so you say you've never seen the original version of Solaris?

      TWW

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    10. Re:So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "THX has to be the most boring Sci-Fi movie ever made."

      Ah-- so you haven't seen "2001".

    11. Re:So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Metropolis.

    12. Re:So What? by Ratfactor · · Score: 1

      THX has to be the most boring Sci-Fi movie ever made.
      Ah, so you say you've never seen the original version of Solaris?
      Good call, though I would have to nominate the same director's _Stalker_ as being even slower (though I found the plot to be more coherent).
    13. Re:So What? by Walrus99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually I did see 2001 and didn't find it boring. For its time it had great, visually entertaining special effects. At the same time it explored the basic question, "What is really out there?" When we meet aliens they won't be LGM's or BEM's but most likely beings who are so advance we won't have a clue to what they are. I think its a good example of a film that is both entertaining and intellectually stimulating.

      THX may have had something to say about individuality, but it took a long time to say it. The British TV show "The Prisoner" took on some of the same themes, but in a far more interesting way. If Lucas hadn't made "Star Wars" THX would be long forgotten and no one would even consider a digitally enhanced version.

    14. Re:So What? by jcostantino · · Score: 1
      Ugh... amen, the best Waking Life was able to manage in my opinion was a porno-parody; "Wanking Life."

      Someone should have made that. Seriously.

      My girlfriend and I cued it up, she got sick of it after about 5 minutes and I "gave it a chance" and got fed up after 15. Supposedly the rotoscope effect was done because the original film was poorly shot or something. Take an effect that was really cool for all of three minutes, add uninteresting characters and no apparent plot, stir with a dirty spoon and serve to two extremely unimpressed people.

      I had a friend who SWORE by that movie as the Most Amazing Thing Ever and I just don't see it. Go watch "eXistenZ" if you want an interesting movie.

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    15. Re:So What? by Atario · · Score: 1
      Please don't mod the parent down just because you disagree.
      Then can I mod him down because he's a troll? Attempting to get people to reply with "you're an idiot" and "you make a valid point, but..." posts?

      Oh wait. I just posted. So I guess I can't.
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    16. Re:So What? by sydb · · Score: 1

      If Lucas hadn't made "Star Wars" THX would be long forgotten...

      You think? I love THX-1138, I first saw it in the mid-80s on TV. I'm not a film buff so don't watch for who directed what, and didn't even know it was a LucasFilm(TM) until I saw this slashdot story.

      Actually I am not a fan of anything Lucas has done apart from THX.

      Maybe you would have forgotten it, but, as they say, speak for yourself.

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    17. Re:So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Go watch "eXistenZ" if you want an interesting movie."

      pffffft...now i know not to value your opinion.

    18. Re:So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ah, so you say you've never seen the original version of Solaris?"

      not to mention the remake :P

    19. Re:So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i agree...i like thx much more than star wars

    20. Re:So What? by suckmysav · · Score: 1

      Big deal. THX has to be the most boring Sci-Fi movie ever made. Its even more boring than watching a guy race robots on an empty ship in "Silent Running."

      It's opinions like that which have turned sci-fi movies from being intellectual pursuits to lame exercises to create the most in-your-face assinine special effect orgy yet! with little to no inherant story value.

      Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

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    21. Re:So What? by solios · · Score: 1

      Yeah. THX has a slow pace. So does life. :P

      Personally, the pace is what makes the production so damned creepy. If you sped it up to the hyperkinetic ADD dragonball explosionfest that is Modern Cinema, it would suck. And suck horribly. :|

      Some of us like our sci-fi in the Drama sub category. :D

    22. Re:So What? by nagora · · Score: 1
      not to mention the remake :P

      The remake was boring, but still a roller-coaster of excitement on an unimaginable scale compared to the original.

      TWW

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    23. Re:So What? by zrk · · Score: 1

      Freeman Lowell (Free men are Low, get it?) never raced the bots. He played poker with 'em, and later ran over one of 'em, but never raced 'em.

    24. Re:So What? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Lemme guess, you saw it sober?

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  24. sounds like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This movie sounds like life under Communism.

    1. Re:sounds like by cluke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would say it sounds more like a satire on capitalism..

      "Emotion-suppressing drugs are mandatory; people shuffle from work to home, pausing to buy consumer goods along the way. "

      Anti-depressants, wage-slavery, and hyped 'must have' consumer goods that are actually useless. Ring any bells?

    2. Re:sounds like by Troed · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Sounds like Japan, today, more than anything else.

    3. Re:sounds like by Bingo+Foo · · Score: 1

      Except that in THX-1138, failure to comply with these regulations resulted in forceful arrest by police. The word you're looking for is "totalitarianism," not capitalism.

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    4. Re:sounds like by blackbear · · Score: 1
      Anti-depressants, wage-slavery, and hyped 'must have' consumer goods that are actually useless. Ring any bells?

      Sounds more like the result of John Kerry in office to me.

      Count the troll mods to see how left leaning Slashdot really is. It's either funny or it's not. If it's not, then ignore it or post a witty repartee.

    5. Re:sounds like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sounds more like the result of John Kerry in office to me.

      Count the troll mods to see how left leaning Slashdot really is. It's either funny or it's not. If it's not, then ignore it or post a witty repartee.

      I just modded you a troll because, as best as I can tell, there's no possible way that what you posted was funny regardless of the politician referenced.
    6. Re:sounds like by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know what you mean. Try criticizing Michael Moore some time. The majority of these people are so ignorant or deluded that they don't realize this guy is just the American liberal Josef Goebbels, and his movies don't hold up to even most cursory of scrutiny. But if you mention that on /., you get modded into oblivion.

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    7. Re:sounds like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You draw an analogy between an outspoken liberal practicing his constitutional right to free speech and a Nazi war criminal, and you think that because you get modded a troll that slashdot is left-leaning? Get a clue... I take it you think it would be right/centrist to mod a comment likening Bush and Hitler as a troll, but not your own comment above? While I would consider the latter more apt than your analogy

      (Moore is not employed by the state, and opposes political parties in general... while his documentaries may be misleading, they are similar to Nazi state/party propaganda only in that they are misleading, and not in the role that they serve nor in the manner in which they serve that role... Invading multiple foreign countries under false pretenses of peace using fabricated evidence for justification, on the other hand, is far more similar to the early expansion of Germany, pre-WW2.)

    8. Re:sounds like by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You do realize I said the "American Liberal" version of Goebbels. In other words, I was not implying anything other than his propoganda techniques, which are deceptive at best and often outright lies. Moore is a hateful elitest that loathes this country, it's way of life and citizens, and no amount of him saying with puppy dog eyes that he loves America can hide the fact that he bashes this country and its citizens every chance he can get, how can you love something you constantly call "evil". People who complain about the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage (rightly so, IMO) will often gullibly swallow Moore's histrionics without question (Tom Daschle call your office). I think Limbaugh and Savage are at least more honest about who and what they are. Moore does raise some valid points, but he's too busy stroking his own ego, showing us how clever a smart-ass he thinks he is, and wallowing in liberal self-hate to have any credibility.

      I would point you this as a brief example of how utterly deceptive Moore is.
      And it's not limited proponents of opposing ideology. I would direct you liberals Christopher Hitchens, who uses the word "lies" a lot when talking about the content of Moore's movie, or Richard Cohen, who in the Washington Post started taking notes on the movie and gave up because of the sheer "stupidity" of it. His word. The problem with the folks on /., generally being naive, uninformed college-age or near-college-age people (as I once was, but at least I wasn't liberal ;-) is that they fall into that trap of hating Bush so much they will buy anything that supports their point of view. Eight years ago, we saw the same stupidity on the right concerning President Clinton, who despite being an utter sleazeball, did do a significant number of positive things for the country.

      In fact, Michael Moore himself clearly targets almost exclusively what Karl Marx called "useful idiots", those easily manipulated, unquestioning folks who will buy any mindless rhetoric. Smarter people who simply agree with him can take him for what he is, but that's not the point of his movie.

      If I said "Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot", I would probably get a score of 5, but if I say "Michael Moore is a big, fat stupid white man." it will probably get modded a troll. If I criticize President Bush (and there are plenty of things to criticize), everyone thinks I'm smart thoughtful poster, but if I show support for him (which I do... overall I think he's a great President), I'm considered a stupid right-wing nutjob who wants to create an American Taliban.

      You can't deny there's a pretty disgusting double standard around here. That's why I prefer the technical stuff. News for nerds, you know.

      It's a shame that Disney released a a very positive movie about America last weekend (I can't even recall the name, which shows how much coverage it got), which from what I read, in a completely non-partisan and non-political way, shows inspirational stories that demonstrate what makes this country. It probably made about $47. People would rather watch the cynical, bitter fat guy who hates America. That's sad.

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    9. Re:sounds like by blackbear · · Score: 1

      Your sense of humor is your own. I don't presume to comment on it. Your judgent, however, and lack of wit are another matter.

      Thank you for proving my point, nonetheless.

      The Gaultish Troll strikes again; Speaking truth, and offending collectivests with extreme predjuce.
      Why? Well, who's John Gault?

  25. All Comments Now Sumariezed: by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Funny

    All replies will be of the following:

    (a) FP!
    (b) GNAA
    (c) How dare he change the film.
    (d) How dare the DVD not have both version.
    (e) Star Wars sucks now, you bastard.
    (f) Proffit!

    1. Re:All Comments Now Sumariezed: by Mister+Black · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I'd like a large helping of (d) with a little (c) on the side. I think I could save some room for (e) for dessert.

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    2. Re:All Comments Now Sumariezed: by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      You miss the most obvious one:

      g) Jokes about his re-releases and re-re-releases, Lucas' milking the cash cow, etc.

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    3. Re:All Comments Now Sumariezed: by mrbarkeeper · · Score: 0, Redundant

      THX shot first!

    4. Re:All Comments Now Sumariezed: by bogado · · Score: 1

      (d) How dare the DVD not have both version.

      This is the most serious problem I see. We consumer should have access to the version we did watch in the theaters. I don't mind if director X felt bad about some voice-over, or if director Y thinks that some character should be a sissy. I shure would like to see the movies the way I remember it for a change. With crappy special effects and the ideology of the time the film was conceived.

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    5. Re:All Comments Now Sumariezed: by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      g) All your drones belongs to us.

  26. Re:huh? by mirko · · Score: 2, Informative

    Follow the imdb link in the story : it's a movie Lucas made in 1971 which is about an over-protective future society.
    now, thx1138 himself is the hero of this story, now, "be happy" ;)

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  27. this would make lucas the... by millahtime · · Score: 4, Funny

    This would make Lucas the Puff Daddy of Movies. Taking existing good movies and "remixing" them to put out something not near as good as the origional.

    1. Re:this would make lucas the... by mrtroy · · Score: 1

      This would make Lucas the Puff Daddy of Movies. Taking existing good movies and "remixing" them to put out something not near as good as the origional.

      This is the remix. Wikki wikki scratch scratch *guest appearance* wikki wikki *collaboration* scratch scratch *original song* wikki scratch *yelling*

      Done.

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    2. Re:this would make lucas the... by Wally+Fenderson · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Yeah, but Puffy ruins other peoples stuff
      Puffy: I want to ruin your song.
      Sting: Alright, but you have to ruin another one of my songs, too.
      Puffy: Done.

      I think Lucas is more like Dave Matthews, realeasing the same thing over and over.

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  28. And If I Did Read It? by SteveM · · Score: 1

    Which happens to be a great book if you've never read it.

    And what kind of book is it if I have read it?

    SteveM

    1. Re:And If I Did Read It? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Penthouse forums? Hustler Humor? Autobiography of The Receiver? Just an educated guess.

    2. Re:And If I Did Read It? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      p = you've read it
      q = it's a great book

      ~p -> q
      ~q -> p (contrapositive)

      Ie. if it's not a great book, then you've read it. So, whenever it becomes a terrible book, you've read it. That's not to say that when you read it, it becomes a terrible book; just that if it ever becomes "not great", then you have read it.

      Logic bad :(

  29. Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps other images, but the davisdvd site appears to be slashdotted already:

    http://thx-1138.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=32

  30. Remastering of Movies by cualexander · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When does it all end? I mean are we going to digitally enhance everything to death? While we're at it why not go back and redo every movie ever made. It seems like with DVDs these days you can go back and stick 5 hours of extras and 50 extra discs and call it a collectors edition and everyone scrambles to get it. I personally agree with the South Park creators on this one. Remastering is an exercise in futility. As Kyle said, "When an artist creates, whatever they create belongs to society". Thats my philosophy.

    1. Re:Remastering of Movies by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for them to go back and add voices to silent movies.

      People like Lucas need to know when to say "It is finished" and leave it alone.

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  31. You forgot one by Cereal+Box · · Score: 3, Funny

    (g) I'll summarize all the posts: ...

    1. Re:You forgot one by mythosaz · · Score: 0

      If I could moderate in my own threads, you sir, would get a point :)

    2. Re:You forgot one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This post will summarize all posts which do not summarize themselves.

      No . . . wait . . . AAAAaaaarrggggghhhhh!

      [head explodes]

      Oh, well . . .

    3. Re:You forgot one by jcostantino · · Score: 1

      (h) And I for one welcome our new $thread overlords!

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  32. More info.. by omega9 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The DVD is being released on Sept. 14 of this year. Here's the cover art.

    It has it's own homepage

    Direct link to the trailer (quicktime).

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    1. Re:More info.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George Lucas - Ahh!... so that's what the slashdot effect is... [no carrier]

    2. Re:More info.. by Trillian_1138 · · Score: 1

      Totaly OT, but your sig interested me. Where's it from?

      Trillian

    3. Re:More info.. by omega9 · · Score: 1

      It's an excerpt from the opening paragraph of Frozen Journey by Philip K. Dick. I think it first appeared in Playboy in the early 80's, but now it's part of a collection of stories in I Hope I Shall Arive Soon.

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  33. New character by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    A hilarious sidekick for THX called JRJRBNKS who adds humor to the movie with his zany hijinks!

  34. Slashdotters won't like this film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The explosions-to-thinky-bits ratio is entirely too skewed toward the thinking realm for this crowd. There are some car chases that this group might appreciate.

  35. Lucas Art? by grunt107 · · Score: 1

    {Paraphrase of South Park} Kyle: "Changing THX1138 would be like changing Raiders of the Lost Ark"

    1. Re:Lucas Art? by eclectus · · Score: 1

      Somebody with more artistic skill than myself needs to take a picture of Indiana Jones shooting the 'large man with sword' in the first movie and photoshop in a freaking walkie-talkie instead of Jones' pistol.....

      If someone does this, send me a copy....

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    2. Re:Lucas Art? by hambonewilkins · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's an awesome idea! Actually, I wouldn't mind a whole page of Spielberg characters with walkie-talkies (the beach landing from Saving Private Ryan?). Unfortunately my photoshop skills suck.

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    3. Re:Lucas Art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      photoshop? This is slashdot! We use Gimp here, if you don't mind.

  36. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From that IMDB page: Recommendations If you like this title, we also recommend... Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002) Does it recommend people see this so they'll like THX-1138 more or something? Ingenious logic, people at IMDB!

  37. Revamping old stuff by Knx · · Score: 1


    I think there's a particular word which could be somewhat relevant in this case but I don't remember which one.
    Er... wait a minute. Yeah, I got it:
    profit!
    </gossiping>

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  38. Poor George... by Wubby · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The guy is out of new ideas (not that he had any of his own to begin with) and can't seem to leave well enough alone.

    Can someone please force him to either make his new movies good or his old movies old?

    We should have all seen GL for what he was with the Ewoks, but we were fooled anyway. The guy was watching too much scifi when he wanted to be directing the Smurfs.

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    1. Re:Poor George... by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
      We should have all seen GL for what he was with the Ewoks, but we were fooled anyway.

      What's this *we* crap? Some of us *did* see the beginning of the end with ROTJ. So did many critics. I recall one stating that "the toys have taken over the toy shop."

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  39. Obligatory(?) Misfits quote by kingLatency · · Score: 1
    Do you think we're robot-clean? Does this face look robot-clean? Is it time to be an android, not a man?
    We are 138.
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  40. I guess michael really doesn't read /. by cetan · · Score: 1

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/21/144124 8&tid=

    Ok, so it's not a duplicate story, but this was all flushed out weeks ago.

    Not. News.

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  41. Relation to THX sound? Old version? by mactari · · Score: 1

    Two quick questions:

    1.) Anybody got a spoiler why the THX sound jive is [I assume] named after this?
    2.) I have to admit -- I liked the original version of Star Wars (Last Hope at least) better and I'm glad I grabbed a tape before they were taken off the market. Anything to gain from finding an old version of this flick insiders already know of?

    As long as it's not full of Ewoks...

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  42. Help me determine if this is a quote from THX1138 by suso · · Score: 1

    I've been trying to determine if this line is a quote from the movie THX 1138

    Guy1: I don't see any dissolution here at all.
    Guy2: Well you haven't.... Don't let it get above 4.7!!!

    Does anyone know?

  43. Good idea... by freeze128 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Sure. Just make your first movie with all white backgrounds and sets. That way, when image manipulation technology becomes mainstream, you can color in the backgrounds and sets without re-shooting. Brilliant!

    Now I'm off to shoot a movie that's all black.

    1. Re:Good idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better have a good legal team. I think Id owns the patent on overuse of black.

    2. Re:Good idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Better have a good legal team. I think Id owns the patent on overuse of black.

      I thought UPN owned that distinction. Oops... sorry, my bad.

    3. Re:Good idea... by MrBlackBand · · Score: 1
      Now I'm off to shoot a movie that's all black.

      I think Spinal Tap is working on an all black movie. How much more black could it get? None. None more black.

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  44. Best scene in movie... by British · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...was when those 2 guys were talking and Robert Duvall was convulsing on the floor. Just loved the technical conversation as he was suffering.

    1. Re:Best scene in movie... by sonicattack · · Score: 0

      Same here.

      "Oh, look, now I cut myself..."

  45. Don't forget by freeze128 · · Score: 3, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, THX-1138 changes George Lucas!

    1. Re: Don't forget by gnucurry · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, your post gets modded down!

  46. NO! SHHHHH! by ajservo · · Score: 3, Funny

    If he's busy working on THX, then that means people are thinking independently on what to do on Episode 3.

    Everytime george wasn't in command, we got decent films.

    And we'd all rather him be busy on a less liked film (sorry THX fans...) or "More American Graffiti" (Sorry, you one MAG fan...)

  47. Re:Help me determine if this is a quote from THX11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, it is from THX1138 but I can't find a reference to that quote.

  48. Am I the only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...who thought this movie was utter crap?

  49. Oh please... by Pedrito · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why does he waste his time doing this? Especially with movies that weren't particularly good the first time around anyway.

    Lucas movies don't suffer from lack of visual appeal. They suffer from poor direction (with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions, American Graffiti is the only one that comes to mind). The best Lucas films are the ones where he doesn't direct. He should really stay out of the director's chair and stick with writing and maybe producing.

    1. Re:Oh please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucas hasn't directed much, actually. Aside from some of the SW films, his features are limited to THX-1138 and American Grafitti.

      He usually hires other directors for his films. Good move, too, in my opinion.

  50. Web site is a trip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.thx1138movie.com/

  51. All links /.'d any mirrors that WON'T die? by cgsamurai · · Score: 0, Redundant

    All links /.'d

    Any mirrors out there that WON'T die?

    (all /.'d except thx1138movie.com, however nothing regarding this article is found there)

  52. Yeah!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    Boy was I disappointed. That was one of the worst movies that I have ever seen. I think that calling it "decent" would be too kind.

    It didn't not have no explosions and stuff!! How could they call it science fiction!! It ain't gots no phaser and spaceships!! What was this thoughtful crap?! The movie tried to make me think!! My head hurts when I try to use my brain muscle!

  53. Polishing Turds by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 1, Troll

    I think the subject line says it all but polish a turd and it's still a turd, albeit a shiny new turd.

  54. Mee-sa worries already... by the_twisted_pair · · Score: 1
    I can't wait to see what Lucas does with this film
    Uh-oh...

    If on the other hand, it's Jar-Jar or Star Wars' merchandise that gets fed into the refuse disposal units... then I, for one, welcome our Industrial Light & Magic overlord.

  55. Having kids does that to a man... by mactari · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did you notice that RotJ was being made right at the same time Lucas and his soon-to-run-of-with-another-man wife adopted a kid? I don't think an explanation of the replacement of Wookies with Ewoks needs to go much farther than that.

    Having kids changes your perspective something massive, I suspect. Did you notice how Greedo's blasting was taken out of the original SW in the remakes? How stormtroopers (real people in suits) were replaced with morally easier to kill robots in the new stories? He's gone soft, and the turning point seems to be the time of his first child and divorce. Coincidence? Perhaps -- I don't know the man. But it seems unlikely.

    Hopefully with the remake of this apparently fairly hard-core movie, he'll regain his edge, and maybe remake these last three, well, first three, well, most recently released Star Wars movies.

    (And hey, don't slam a guy for copying. Every great author's done it as certainly as every one of my apps has a copy of paste of Hello, World in it to thank somewhere. Isn't that part of the reason /.ers as a whole dislike current copyright laws?)

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  56. photoshop & lucas by wolfywolfy · · Score: 1

    the funny thing is, photoshop came from the lucasfilm special effects division :)

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  57. Ironic by Ih8sG8s · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ironic that George Lucas would make a movie where consumerism is a sickness in society. This coming from the guy who is an uber IP controls advocate, and an uber market-the-garbage-to-death-and-they-will-buy guy.

  58. lost history by poptones · · Score: 1
    It's easy to sit here in 2004 and say (whatever) movie sucked, but in context this movie was (and I think IS) really great. The 70's was a time with lots of really strange films (like "the cube" in which a man was stuck alone inside a perfectly formed, doorless and featureless white cube - and there is a scene in Brazil that pays a bit of homage to this film). In its time this made thx1138 historical in the sense it was probably one of the "biggest" films of this genre.

    And don't forget, many movies of this era plodded along. Look at Xardoz, the original Rollerball, etc - all great films but of very deliberate pace.

    And, frankly, I'm sick of everyone ripping on directors who retouch their own work. If this were some indie wannabe filmaker doing this from his parent's basement and releasing the work on bittorrent most of you would be reveling about how this is just one more example of the end of Hollywood, how we are all now empowered via digital technology to retouch and recreate any previous work created by anyone, anywhere, and make it work of our own. So why can't Hollywood do the same damn thing? It's not like Lucas burned the original prints - if I wanna see Casablanca in color or thx1138 in a modern light what right do you have to say otherwise?

    Welcome to the generation of the post-modernist-anti-revisionist...

    1. Re:lost history by suckmysav · · Score: 1

      And don't forget, many movies of this era plodded along. Look at Xardoz, the original Rollerball, etc - all great films but of very deliberate pace.

      I actually prefer this sort of sci-fi to the laser blasting, space-ship dogfighting "Space Opera" style of sci-fi that was essentially ushered in by Lucas with Star Wars.

      Sure, I loved Star Wars when it first came out and I still do, but I would prefer to watch something like Rollerball, Planet of the Apes, Logans Run or Soylent Green if I were ever forced to choose.

      You are quite right about the tendency to plod along in the sci-fi movies of that era however. Even the fantastic 2001: A Space Odyssey was very slow paced.

      One of the ploddingest of them all must have been Silent Running with Bruce Dern. Still, it was an interesting movie despite that.

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  59. Re:Relation to THX sound? Old version? by ElectricPoppy · · Score: 3, Informative
    1) I guess because it was his first feature film? There is a reference to THX-1138 in all of his movies. A license plate in American Graffiti is "THX-1138". When Luke is looking through his binoculars searching for R2-D2 the numbers along the bottom contain "THX-1138" at one point. In Phantom Menace, one of the droids is numbered 1138. etc.

    2) One of the most annoying things to me about the "enhanced" special editions was the music. In some spots, where he extended scenes, he just replayed the last few moments of music in the original scene, so it sounds like a CD skip. What an idiot.

  60. laserdisc version good enuf by bobalu · · Score: 2, Funny

    I might go back and watch it (it's been awhile) but if I recall my laserdisc version was pretty nice as it was. I mean really, is it worth it? I think a lot of this buggered-up re-release stuff is just a thin reason to get people to buy again on another type of media. Like what the heck, this is in the bank, let's diddle a few scenes and get the true believers to pop another $20.

    Same for Dark Star mentioned in the first post.

    Of course if anybody can get Gilligan's Island re-mastered with a nude Mary Ann, well I might re-consider.

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  61. Aldous Huxley by reames · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does anyone else think this movie sounds like a ripoff of Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" ?

    1. Re:Aldous Huxley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, a clue to all the clueless cinema goers out there:

      Once upon a time there was this thing called a book, which can roughly be compared to a stack of computer printouts with glue along one of the sides....

      There was no famous movie called 'Brave New World' by the famous movie director 'Aldous Huxley'. It was a BOOK FFS. And low and behold, they make movies after books! They do it all the time. Really, Lord of the Rings was a book too! Three even, imagine that!

      This is not a ripoff, it's a movie after the book. Which goes for about 80% of the movies out there, ever since they first started making them. Wanna blame Lucas for all of that?

    2. Re:Aldous Huxley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And one more thing, do you really think Aldous Huxley was the first to come up with this theme? Think again then.

    3. Re:Aldous Huxley by reames · · Score: 1

      You spent all your time trying to look intelligent that you didn't answer the question. Does this movie, "THX1138", made in 1971, not appear to be blatantly taken from "Brave New World" ? "Brave New World" was first published in 1932. This was before Ray Bradbury, Phillip Dick, or Isaac Asimov. And as for "Lord of the Rings", everyone knows it's adapted from a book. That's common knowledge. My point is that this movie seems eerily similar to the book, yet there is no mention of the book in this thread, or anywhere else I've looked about this film.

    4. Re:Aldous Huxley by bandy · · Score: 1

      BNW: Populace is controlled by drugs
      THX: Populace is controlled by drugs

      On that axis, yes, they're the same.

      BNW: Dystopia
      THX: Dystopia

      Same here.

      BNW: Rigid class distinctions [showing Huxley's Britishness]
      THX: Uniformity

      They have a couple of parallels but they're not the same.

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  62. I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except there isn't anything there to think about. If THX stretches your brain that says a lot more about you that about the movie.

  63. Re:Relation to THX sound? Old version? by whathappenedtomonday · · Score: 1

    THX: [not an acronym] Lucasfilm quality standards (name derived from Tomlinson Holman's eXperiment and from George Lucas' first movie, THX-1138) http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=e xact&Acronym=thx&Find=Find

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  64. Re:Relation to THX sound? Old version? by dave420 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It was also Luke's ID as a stormtrooper when in disguise in star wars... Han's was TK421, not that I remember...

  65. This would have been good news... by bkhl · · Score: 1

    ...unless Lucas had gone insane a few years back. I'd prefer it if they just made a remaster of the origininal, and put it in a box.

  66. Without giving too much away... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's underground. Thanks, there is nothing to give that away throughout the whole film. Wanker. I'm glad I've seen the film otherwise that would have made the end a whole lot less good... Of course posting this will definately make it a whole lot less good...

    Kick ass film though.

  67. Re:Help me determine if this is a quote from THX11 by sonicattack · · Score: 1

    ** (Could be considered spoilers below....)


    As far as I can tell (I've seen the movie lots of times, but my memory may still fail me on the details) - yes, it's from a scene where THX is going through a torture-like examination, and the guys operating the consoles that is doing the nasty work to THX's brain is pointing out "interesting" effects when they turn the knobs and dials, while showing little care or emotional response to THX's agonies.

  68. Better by Apreche · · Score: 1, Funny

    He better not make it so greedo shoots first in this remake... or else.

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  69. consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also a short story I read decades ago - perhaps by Federick Pohl? - about a future society where consumption is mandatory and people stress over meeting their consumption quotas...

  70. My recollection for whatever it is worth by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    I think it is from a scene where he is at work (doing what exactly I don't remember). It was some sort of dangerous job that used remote manipulators in a glove box like device.

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    1. Re:My recollection for whatever it is worth by matthewn · · Score: 1

      No. It is from the scene where THX-1138 is being reprogrammed, and one reprogrammer is teaching another reprogrammer how to work the dials. The newbie keeps messing things up, causing torturous pain for THX-1138.

  71. You mean... by slimyrubber · · Score: 1

    Lucas has actually made (or remade) something more then starwars!?!

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  72. Boring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the car chase scene in it was pretty bitch'n

  73. The Remake Paradox by Neuracnu+Coyote · · Score: 1

    Why bother remaking a good movie? It's already good, and thus is no need of enhancement. Bad movies, on the other hand, those need all the help they can get.

    This, of course has nothing to do with THX-1138, as it is actually a good movie. Right?

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  74. Re:Relation to THX sound? Old version? by AnonymousKev · · Score: 1

    Interesting. I had read THX stood for The Human eXperiment.

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  75. It's Lucas's old phone number by schon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    According to internet legend, THX-1138 was Lucas's phone number when he was in college.

    References Here and
    here

    I don't know if it's true or not, but it's at least plausible... if you want to try to track it down some more, just Google for "thx-1138 phone number".

    It shows up in a few other places, such as American Graffiti (the car driven by Harrison Ford has the plate number THX 138), and the film "Dark Star" by John Carpenter (one of Lucas's classmates), one of the toilet tanks is labeled "THX 1138" (make what you will of that - Carpenter ain't talking.)

    Rumor has it that it shows up (in one form or another) in every movie that Lucas has directed.

  76. A questiion by RedShoeRider · · Score: 1

    Lucasfilms does have THX certification and specifications for certain home-theatre amplifiers (namely $$$ ones), supposedly for utterly perfect sound reproduction. Any corelation between the movie's name and the certification?

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    1. Re:A questiion by fdiskne1 · · Score: 1

      Lucasfilms does have THX certification and specifications for certain home-theatre amplifiers (namely $$$ ones), supposedly for utterly perfect sound reproduction. Any corelation between the movie's name and the certification?

      Yes, the name for the THX sound system came from this movie as did a reference in every single George Lucas movie (that I know of).

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    2. Re:A questiion by kylearin · · Score: 1

      Not to mention every Lucasfilm game...

  77. Mindless consumers? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    The movie kinda reminds me of all of the mindless starwar drones that have seen episode 1 & 2 5000 times even though they'll redily admit that they suck.

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  78. PARANOIA game returning to print by Allen+Varney · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Given that Lucas's THX-1138 was an obvious and pivotal influence on the paper roleplaying game PARANOIA, it is perhaps on-topic to mention that the game of a darkly humorous future is returning to print this August in a new edition from Mongoose Publishing, as previously covered on Slashdot.

    The new PARANOIA XP edition emphasizes the Alpha Complex sort-of economy and a new consumerism very much in tune with THX-1138. You can follow the development of the game on the PARANOIA development blog.

    1. Re:PARANOIA game returning to print by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 1
      The new PARANOIA XP edition emphasizes the Alpha Complex sort-of economy and a new consumerism very much in tune with THX-1138. You can follow the development of the game on the PARANOIA development blog.

      Please note that the referenced information is clearance "Red". Infrared laborers and traitors are requested not to read it.

      Thank you.

      (For comparison purposes, you can consider "THX-1138" to be the takes-itself-a-little-too-seriously predecessor to the "Paranoia" setting...)

  79. Yousa takess yousa medications by anticypher · · Score: 1

    Meeesa thinks yousa needsa buy more consumer goods, citeeesen. Lessa all be thanksful weesa all dee commerce and zees new film from yousa god, Meesa Lucass. Yousa buy more. Yousa buy more nowsa. Buy! Anda yousa be vewwy happy.

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  80. One small adjustment is all that's required by AstroSurf · · Score: 2, Interesting
    || I hope the enhancements don't add too much color ||

    I hope they don't reduce the impact. I was blown away by THX1138 when it came out. Saw it on the tube recently and figured that the ONLY thing that needed to be done was to replace the shots of tractor-feed pages with video displays. That does need to be done. Everything else is fine. A brilliant work.

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    1. Re:One small adjustment is all that's required by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      what, and put the paper mill workers and paper shredder repairman out of work?

  81. Re:Obligatory!!! Misfits quote by katarac · · Score: 1

    The pleasantries are gone. We're stripped of all we were. In the Eye of Tiger.


    (oh yeah, and it's "does this face look almost mean?")

  82. an answer by bandy · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, but it does have something to do with Princess Leia's cell number and the license plate in American Graffitti

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  83. Mods... WAKE UP! by Chordonblue · · Score: 1

    Tell me why, again, this was modded down? You mods really need to be more careful here. True, the original poster could've been more specific, but a few of us out there knew what he was talking about.

    "Free Hat" is where Lucas and Spielberg start redoing their movies (this episode happened during the 'guns to walkie-talkies' conversion in E.T.

    Simply HORRIBLE modding lately - summer getting you down?

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  84. Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FFS Not again!

  85. OT: sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to say something about your sig... it's not "you're gonna die alone", it's "you will die alone." Been bugging me, is all. Carry on. :)

  86. Plato's Allegory of the Cave by aprosumer.slashdot · · Score: 1

    The final scene of movie reminds me of Plato's Allegory of the Cave, wherein the 'prisoner' emerges from the Cave and sees the Sun.

  87. BZZZT! Wrong! by StefanJ · · Score: 1

    BNW was a hoot. It's nothing like THX1138.

    (Except for the drugs, maybe. But I'm betting that Soma is just great compared to the dope that THX takes. Soma makes you happy; the other stuff just numbs you out.)

    The happy workers in BNW are encouraged to have all the sex they want; sex is a crime in THX land.

    Robots? We don't need no stinking robots. Drudge work is done by content, dim-bulb Epsilons in the world state.

    Life in Huxley's world state is a happy lark. Work seven hours a day at a job you just (were brought up to) love, go to a ballgame, get some spiritual fullfillment at the Fordian temple (Soma ice cream and group sex!), then go to the dorm for more sex and more soma.

    Sure, you don't have much freedom of choice. But it's not like you are a slave or anything. The World Controllers get just as much conditioning as you do.

    And there's an escape valve! If you really don't fit in, you get sent, alive and with an intact brain, to an island to live out your days with other interesting misfits.

    In the underground city, dissidents get beaten to death for TV, or stuck in a white void with mutants and crazy people.

    The book itself is a funny satire, a bit dated because it made fun of 1920's materialism, but still enjoyable.

    Orgy Porgy!

    Stefan

    1. Re:BZZZT! Wrong! by wjwlsn · · Score: 1

      Centrifugal Bumblepuppy

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    2. Re:BZZZT! Wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop saying "BZZZT! Wrong!" It's fucking annoying.

    3. Re:BZZZT! Wrong! by wfwlsn · · Score: 1

      That is what I call RCA in the company I work for. The process is usually more complicated than the problem and the answer. 5-questions by 5-levels. Dreamed up by some Systems Engineer who has never worked hardware or in the field.

  88. Popular name change by Alsee · · Score: 1

    Since the first version was clearly eXperimental and the new version is Computerized, I suggest they change the X in THX-1183 into a C for the re-release.

    I'll take a Jumbo popcorn with gobs and gobs of extra butter. And some JuJubies. And a Snickers... no wait make that two Snickers. You don't have any Snickers? Well give me two candy bars, whatever you got. No, I never heard of those candybars but whatever they are gimme two. And what are those munchies in back? Whatever they are I'll have one of those too. Umm, do you carry a 2-liter of coke?

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    1. Re:Popular name change by kylearin · · Score: 1

      Very subtle. Wish I had some mod points...

  89. Dear George, by noewun · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Stop fucking up perfectly good movies, you enormous dipshit.


    Thanks,
    Slashdot

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  90. Please, no more Jar-Jar by MacGod · · Score: 1

    "Me-sa gonna buy-sa some goods, yes?"

    <shudder>

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  91. Is this new or old? by XiticiX · · Score: 1

    is this the new or old version? It sure doesn't look like something from 1971. http://www.thx1138movie.com/trailers/1/thx480dd3a. mov

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  92. We must keep Lucas safe from Lucas by Whatthehellever · · Score: 1

    Am I the only person here who thinks that Lucas needs to be locked up in a padded room to keep him from himself?

    Just because he's George Lucas, dosen't mean he has the right to add land speeders to the street racing scene of "American Grafitti" or add Ewoks in the Cave of Doom in "Raiders of the Lost Ark."

    True, these things haven't happened yet. Yet.

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  93. Yes, it's possible to 'get it' but not like it by nasor · · Score: 1

    I love the way some people don't seem to realize that it's possible to understand a movie but still not like it.

    "What??? You didn't like it??? Well then, you must be some ignorant moron who only enjoys mindless action films and reality TV!!"

    Yes, THX-1138 had a lot of meaning, symbolism, and character development, but that doesn't necessarily make it entertaining. It's possible for a movie to be deeply intellectual but still be boring, even to the people who understand it.

  94. Here's a fresh new idea for Lucas....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why doesn't he dig up an old bad movie, and modify it to make it good, instead of the other way around?

  95. Greedo by rttichnor · · Score: 1

    I hope Greedo doesn't shoot first in this version!!!

    http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/programs/polisci/faculty /rexb/greedo.html


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  96. Where are the ewoks in the new version? by zrk · · Score: 1

    I mean, COME ON ALREADY!

    George, LEAVE IT ALONE!

    At this rate, I don't think I'll ever give up my laserdisc copy of Star Wars (Not Labelled Episode 4!)

    1. Re:Where are the ewoks in the new version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a DVD version of that "out there". No better quality than the laserdisc, but just as good and viewable on today's players. Check usenet.

  97. My BART ride everyday ;-) by jessemckinney · · Score: 1

    There are several scenes in this movie that were shot in the San Francisco Bay Area's subway system: BART. The bleak, drab, emotionless world that Lucas created in this movie is a reality. I ride on it every day. Some 60s era psychologists chose to use 'pacifying' colors in the cars and stations.
    A side note: The idea for the imperial walkers came from the shipping cranes that are right past the West Oakland station.

  98. _was_ his best 'til now... by cwg_at_opc · · Score: 1

    to my mind, this _was_ his best work in the SciFi genre; simple direction, great
    performances(Robert Duvall), compelling story('1984'), excellent cinematography
    and most importantly, no attempt to spoon-feed the audience why things are the
    way they are(like in SW-Ep1 - the force and 'mito-whatevers'.)

    Judging by the "improvements" he keeps adding to his library of scifi films, this
    Directors Cut will suck too. He just never knows when to leave well enough alone.

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  99. irony alert by RedA$$edMonkey · · Score: 0

    Anyone else see the irony in touching up and rereleasing a movie about consumers who buy shit they don't need?

  100. MIrror Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://thx-1138.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=32

    Mirror Site

  101. The worst part... by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

    I can handle stepping on Jabba's tail, but the worst change is the part where THX-1138 shoots first...

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  102. dont mess with art... by SteveXE · · Score: 1

    I find it funny people bitch about Lucas messing with "art" when he modifies his films...well, its his damn art, he can do whatever he wants with it.

    I dont see how he ruined anything, while its true EP4-6 and THX didnt NEED new scenes or FX it doesnt detract from the film, people just need a reason to bitch.

    OMG They put a Bantha over there and put some ships in the sky! The movie is ruined!

  103. Wrong, that is not an interesting topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm amazed that you have so much to comment when you haven't read either book, thinking that whatever you are writing has in some way something to do with the discussion at hand... Before you hit the second paragraph, you're already mischaraterized the argument. Way to go.

    Brave New World supposes a future where everyone is a clone, because it is the only true way that everyone can be equal. Yet even then, people behave like petty individuals. In 1984, the government controls information, and more importantly actively revises it, so that at any time the information you possess is in some way "wrong", and thus untraficable.

    And your whole premise of there being no ownership of information is wrong as well, for in any system of transactions, there must be a way to determine if the content you carry has any value. I may not have commercial rights to a song, but I am the custodian of a collection of bits when ordered a certain way allow me to reproduce the audio. If I change my collection of bits, it will no longer be that original work, and with significant change, it is no longer even audio. I have broken my information, and it is now "worthless".

    1. Re:Wrong, that is not an interesting topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The topic that was proposed to be interesting was as follows:

      "Do you think information technology will turn society into a world like Brave New World, where information is valuable and jealously guarded, or a world like 1984, where information is worthless and is constantly being overproduced?"

      One need not to have read either book to take part in this discussion. The question clearly states, "like Brave New World", and then goes on to establish the criteria with, "where information is valuable and jealously guarded". The books mentioned were analogous to the specified criteria and superfluous to the question posed.

      I did not mischaracterize the argument, I reformatted it into a legitimate topic of discussion. As it was, it asked a question that can not be answered, it merely called for subjective opinions on two possibilities that border on impossible. I transformed that impossible to answer question into one that, through serious and in depth discussion, could at least be attempted to answer.

      As for ones ability to own information, no, that is indeed not possible. yes, you can own rights to a song, but you can not keep someone else from creating that song on their own. I'm not talking about some frivolous idea like distribution rights, I'm talking about true ownership of information.

      One can possess information but you can not own it. Anything you can observe can be observed by someone else. Anything you can create can be created by someone else. You can surpress the transmission of information from one entity to another, but you can not prevent the independant discovery of that same information.

  104. Re:Relation to THX sound? Old version? by gnu-sucks · · Score: 1

    THX does not stand for the Tomlinson Holman EXperimen. Tom was the engineer for the THX, as well as SMPTE b-chain reproduction, but the references to THX date to well before that time. I've heard Mr. Lucas had "THX 1138" as a license plate in college. And of course, there's the many film references.

    The obvious answer, is "THX for all the money"

  105. How About Some Music in Here Boiler? by StefanJ · · Score: 1

    I rewatched this a few years back. It wasn't as good as I remembered it.

    But the twenty-something century country music tune "Benson Arizona" is just great, simultaneously a spoof of the genre and kind of moving:

    The years pull us apart
    I'm young and now you're old
    But you're still in my heart
    And the memory won't grow cold
    I dream of times and spaces
    That I left far behind
    Where we spent our last few days
    Benson's on my mind

  106. Re:Relation to THX sound? Old version? by ectospasm · · Score: 1

    No, it was cell block 1138 that they were transferring Chewie from. It was not Luke's ID. Can't remember what Luke's ID was (I don't remember that they ever mentioned it). Anyway, it was Luke who responded to the call of "TK421"...

    Not to be nitpicky, but still...

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    We are the music makers. We are the dreamers of the dreams.
  107. Mirror by Door-opening+Fascist · · Score: 1
    Here's some mirrors:

    Mirror #1: Page 1 Page 2

    Mirror #2: Page 1 Page 2

  108. Re:Relation to THX sound? Old version? by Trogre · · Score: 1

    In ANH:
    Imperial Officer: "Where are you taking this.. thing?"
    Luke: "Prisoner transfer to cell block 1138"

    In ESB during the battle of Hoth, Rogue 11 is ordered to sector 38.

    1138 was printed in whole and half-circles on the back of the "all broken" battle droid after the battle of Naboo in TPM.

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    "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  109. Good or Bad? by slapout · · Score: 1

    I don't know if this is good or bad. On one hand, it takes him away from Esp III, so it may turn out even worse. On the other hand, it takes him away from Esp III, so maybe someone else can step in and make it a good movie.

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    Coder's Stone: The programming language quick ref for iPad
  110. In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's about a working stiff living in a repressive underground bomb-shelter society. Emotion-suppressing drugs are mandatory; people shuffle from work to home, pausing to buy consumer goods along the way. (The goods aren't used for anything; you just feed them into a disposal unit after you get home. Making them keeps people busy . . .) If the drugs don't work, you can vent your spleen in a confession booth manned by a really bad A.I. It's really bleak, and sometimes ugly, but worth seeing. I hope the enhancements don't add too much color: The drab, sterile, white-on-white environment of the underground city is an important mood-setter. Consume more; be happy!"

    In other words, it's a factual commentary about life in everyday USA.

  111. ayup by poptones · · Score: 1
    I must admit I'll probably stand in line to see I, Robot, but I'd still like to see an sf movie of the classic variety - lots less shoot-em-ups and lots more dialog and introspection.

    Come to think of it, we may not be able to do an I, Robot or AI from our garage, but I don't think it would be at all out of reach for a couple of basement dwellers to pool their resources and come up with a contemporary Silent Running or Logan's Run. Cityscapes and such are relatively easy and only a few actors would be needed. Hmmmm... maybe I need to invest in a few yards of green felt, myself.

  112. OMFG BEST MOVIE EVAR. by solios · · Score: 1

    I own both versions- the Theatrical on VHS and the Theatrical / Special Edition on DVD. Personally, I don't think it needs a remaster. It's Perfect just the way it is.

    Dark Star : You either absolutely love it, or you've so thoroughly repressed the memory that you'll swear you've never seen it.

    YOU ARE NOT TO EXPLODE IN THE BOMB BAY! THIS IS AN ORDER!

  113. Straight up. by solios · · Score: 1

    The Aliens DVD is worth every penny. Just wish Alien3 had commentary. :|

    I'd kill for a Theatrical cut of Blade Runner on DVD. Alas, all you can get is The Directors Cut. It's annoying.

    Yes, The Directors Cut is a Better Film. However, in my experience, it's a Better Film to me in the sense that I already have the context and background that the noir narrative in the Theatrical cut conveys.

    1. Re:Straight up. by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's been a new DVD edition of Blade Runner in the works for a while; it's a 3-disc set (!) and should have lots of extras, and is said to include at least two different cuts of the film. It's been held up for legal reasons, unfortunately, but I do know Ridley's been working on it for a while and wants to get it out, so I'm sure they'll be resolved.

    2. Re:Straight up. by solios · · Score: 1

      I'd heard something about that at some point last year or so, but had figured it would just be an Extra Super Special Directors Cut version or similar, and honestly hadn't paid it much attention.

      Good to know the project still exists!

      (which reminds me, I need to find a Critereon cut of Brazil, too.)

  114. Bitch, bitch, bitch.... by solios · · Score: 1

    The important thing is that THX-1138 is being released on DVD.

    The LoTR movies prove that slavering fanboi will buy two versions of a movie in the same year- at three movies, thousands of people wind up having six boxes sitting around. Yeah. And we're ragging on George here.

  115. When do we get Willow? by solios · · Score: 1

    Willow was totally my favorite fantasy film in my early teens, though the climax effects were bleh even for the time.

    If Lucas REALLY wants to CASH IN, he'll take advantage of three years of LoTR theatre-hordes inertia and release a cleaned up, THX remastered version of Willow in December. Rework the end! Dear gods!

    Hey, y'all went and saw the Big Epic Fantasy Thing over winter break for the last three years, what's another one, eh? eh?

    I'd go. :-|