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Video and Software Downloads Overtaking Music
Trigun writes "The Seattle Post-Intelligencer is reporting that movie and software downloads have outpaced music downloads. Music accounted for 48.6 percent of files shared online, compared with 62.5 percent in 2002, according to a report by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. The article says that 1 in 4 internet users have downloaded at least one movie, and attributes the proliferation to access to broadband. Maybe we've just downloaded all the good music already?"
Sigs cause cancer.
They probably calculated it by megabytes.
its faster and easier for me to DL a movie off of IRC than to haul my ass to the movie theatre, stand in line, and sit cramped in a shitty chair with no elbow room next to some annoying little kids. i just dl from irc, burn on a cdrw (vcd/svcd) pop it in the vcd player and watch it.
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That way we can have more restrictive legislation.
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Keep coming out with music so shitty noone wants to download it! And its working already!
On a serious note- do they separate legal from illegal downloads? Lots of movies/software is legal to download.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
Sure if you include Quicktime trailers, and short films. But I seriously doubt 1 in 4 have downloaded a feature film... cause guess what, no where near 1 in 4 users has broadband
Pr0n baby pr0n. It's much better than pr0ngroove mp3's.
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Just another round of MP/RI-AA trying to make the money they're used to. Trying to push for government regulation, infringing on our rights as citizens.
All empires crumble, why won't they accept it?
Are they counting by size of file? Or maybe they are including all the .r00, .r01, .r02 files as SEPERATE files, but I don't see this as completely right.
It may have to do with people enjoying the movie after seeing it once and not wanting to go and pay for it again. It may also have to do with the fact that wanting to see Gigli in the theaters was pretty damn embarassing for the millions of J-Lo fans out there.
Great. I'm sure RIAA will see this as vindication of their sue the customer policies. "See, they've moved on to other media since we started..."
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As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.
What the RIAA is doing is having a chilling effect on online music trading, like it or not. I don't think the MPAA will have any recourse but to pursue the same tactics, but with much larger penalties.
It would be nice to see the full stats, though, to see if music has plateaued (as would be expected) while movies climb as broadband proliferates.
br. -Adam
So, are they talking about the total number of files swapped or the total size of them? I suspect the latter, and in that case it's no big surprise: One ripped movie shared - ~700 MB. One ripped CD shared - 70 MB.
A separate global study published Thursday by the Motion Pictures Association found that about one in four Internet users had already downloaded a movie. Most said they would pirate more if they took less time to download.
The problem is right there.
*sigh* So, one in four internet users worldwide have downloaded movies online.
oh wait, no it was only in Eight Countires...
oh, and only broadband users were polled.
ooh! and I almost forgot, of those that answered, one in four said they had downloaded at least one (YES, ONE) movie...
nothing to see here... just FUD and paranoia...
From the article:
Well, isn't that a defining feature of file swaps? Swapping copyrighted files (as opposed to just downloading them, which can be legal or illegal) has always been illegal.
that hollywood sent out Night-Vision Goggles to stop this... yet it seems to be growing more than ever... who would have thought it? (definite sarcasm)
- Your stupidity got you into this mess, why can't it get you out? -Will Rogers
In my opinion, if CD sales are in fact down (hard to tell), it's due to the lack of good music rather than file sharing. I don't buy CDs anymore, but that's not because I can download everything. It's because everything out now sucks. Like the post said, maybe we have all the good music already... If the record companies spent their money making really good music like they used to, rather than their new tactic of suing their customers, I'm sure CD sales would go back up.
Poor movie industry.
Perhaps if there were more mass release movies that weren't money grabs I'd not download them, but instead support them by paying for a ticket.
I've bought Amelie, for example. It wasn't playing localy, so I downloaded it and then, since I liked it, bought it. Had it been playing locally I would have gone to see it.
On another note, what if someone did an iTunes type thing, but with movies...
Additionnally, the MPAA has published a paper (PDF, 2 pages) titled "Protecting the Movie Magic in the Digital Age" that is basically what they have been up to (or at least parts of it) which you just might want to read. If anyone needs me i'll be watching King Arthur.
A computer makes it possible to do, in half an hour, tasks which were completely unnecessary to do before.
A Full Feature Movie is around .. let's say .. ~500 megs. (yes, it can be bigger and smaller.)
.. hmm .. ~5 megs. (again, variance possible.)
A full length song is around
That means, everytime a Movie is downloaded, the equivalent of 100 songs would be required to make up for that bandwidth usage.
So, basically, I'm saying per copyright violation (or not sometimes), that music is far more highly pirated.
"...no where near 1 in 4 users has broadband."
Broadband market penetration in the U.S. is over 40%.
Could this be the reason?
Is music swapping down by actual volume, or just by percentage? That is, are people swapping less music, or did video/software swapping just grow faster than music swapping did?
If music swapping is actually down, could it be because there are viable legit music download services now? I know I've bought multiple albums from both iTMS and Audi Lunchbox myself...
I downloaded an in-theater camera movie once, but never again. The quality was so horrible i couldn't understand why anyone would even want it. DVD rips on the other hand... >:D
fansub Anime! Find a good one like Naruto and Full Metal Alchemist (although FMA recently got licensed) and you're set.
Better than the Primetime crap that comes on broadcast tv...
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I guess avi killed the mp3 star...
i'm seeing an increase in the number of legit software dist's available via BT, etc. i mean, why does mozilla need to make the 1.7 RC available on BT?? Especially a lot of releases that already have mirrors on half a dozen servers internationally.
Video accounted for 27 percent, up from 25.2 percent, the study will say.
So, movie downloads didn't really increase much.
The OECD report does not give separate numbers for pirated downloads and those that do not infringe copyright
I'm not even going to start on this one.
The biggest growth in downloading last year was in "other files" - neither music nor film - which almost doubled their share to about a quarter of all downloads. The category includes software and pornography, but the report gives no breakdown between the two.
Basically, they're saying they have a lot of data and it seems to indicate something, but they can't really say what, so they just threw out some numbers. Nice work, OECD.
Come on. I forget the stats on broadband, but I didn't think 1 in 4 even had broadband yet. Could look it up, but don't have time right now. Certainly can't be much more than that, particularly in the U.S.
:-)).
And I'm not going to believe that *ALL* of the broadband users have downloaded movies. (I haven't
I'm also not going to believe that a noticable
fraction of dialup users have.
With all of the various companies/qualities/methods to connect, I really wonder about the quality of such a survey. I would seem to me that these numbers seem rediculous. When I think of all the non-nerd (non-broadband) people I know, I don't think one of them has ever downloaded a movie.
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Because it helps to decrease bandwidth usage and server load. Which in turn saves them (and their partners who mirror the download) money.
Personally, I think it all can be attributed to a visible decline in society's moral standards. When music first became availible online, most people did not hesitate to download it because for the most part, it is guilt and worry free. Until there is some sort of legal safeguard put in place that will cause people to think about voliating copyrights, the numbers of people downloading will continue to rise. In real life, people will think twice before stealing from a store because there is a known punishment for being caught (and even this is happening more). Fileswapping doesn't have such rigid rules and regulations, or at least it's hard to enforce them online. Not to mention that industries trying to enforce them currently are going about the wrong way in the first place. Think about it though, my sister who is middle school is downloading movies. I think that it shows either lack of education about what can/cannot be done online legally, or simply not caring about those laws either way.
I wonder what happens to these numbers if you include iTunes Music Store and other legal music purchases. These services have been pretty successful. Maybe this report adds to a case for implementing slick infoware from which to download media at reasonable prices. Current video and software on demand is nowhere near as inexpensive and well-put-together as the music on demand.
Maybe I am not in the know, but I don't know a single person that has downloaded a movie. And considering the majority of Americans have dialup, I find this hard to believe. (I can't say about other countries, but I suspect for most countries that holds true.) It would take a long time on dialup to download a movie. It just does not make sense.
Auto-resume, throttled speed, no leech benefits, etc.
Of course, no one downloads copyright violations that way do they?;)
I wonder if they're measuring traffic from Debian's apt mirrors, RedHat's up2date, Gentoo's emerge... I know that just between the 4 Debian systems I run there can be anywhere from 100-300 megabytes of updates per week. Granted, one is stable, two are testing and one is unstable. But still, I can't think of a week that I've *ever* downloaded 300 megs of music. Most software packages are much, much larger than even an entire album, so this doesn't surprise me at all.
At least the war on the environment is going well
iMovies. Somewhere to download movies to burn to disk, kvcd would be ok for this. How long before the MPAA wake up and realise this? Apple could tie their DRM in with a system like bittorrent to assist with bandwidth issues, maybe even if you contribute enough bandwidth you get a discount?
I'm sure Porn accounts for atleast half of the video downloads on the Internet. Or maybe 75%? Who knows.
I do know that it accounts for about 90% of my video downloads.
Is some figures that would indicate whether there has been a de-emphasizing, either in pure numbers or in percentage of overall pirate traffic, of music piracy corresponding with the rise of pay-to-download music services such as the iTunes Music Store or Napster2...
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Bit Torrent was in general developed to ease p2p sharing of legit material.Request your free CD of my piano music.
No doubt some high profile ridiculous case will be discovered of a student with a trillion dollars in film copies in his/her bedroom causing the entire movie industry to fail. We've seen it before in music and we'll no doubt see the same arguments and PR tactics mobilised again to get legislation passed to *save* the industry.
It is depressing but it seems to work everytime. I only hope that people start to wake up and take a stand before its too late and the corporations have it all locked down exactly how they want it...
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As I see it, the difference is that more and more music trading has been pushed underground on encrypted networks and the likes, whereas you can still Google up movie and software torrents left and right. By design, even if you're part of many of the music sharing networks, you can't tell how many others are around, and can't get raw index lists of files to count.
If they're counting the people caught, the above still holds. Music swapping is more mature, and so it's tougher to catch folks.
Seeing as fansubs are still illegal, I don't see it any more (or less) ethical than downloading any other video..
Or is it a coincidence that record downloaded coincides with record ticket and DVD sales.?
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So many papers are 90% commercial press corps content that Slash and similar may as well differentiate and learn to link to Associated Press directly for these stories.
Reward the papers with more visitors when they have local unique content. More ad impressions might encourage them to start putting their focus on real reporting again.
Bittorrent has become very popular for ditributing Linux ISOs, its possible they are including them in their statistics...
my MOTHER got me started on downloading movies, she said "o is that new denzel washington movie, ya the the man on fire one out yet?" and i said no. so then she said "well i one of my friends said there kids are downloading movies, you have whatchamacallit broadband couldnt you do that" she pestered me untill i burned her a vcd. good job mom. set an example, on how to GET ME IN JAIL!
I see posts like this in every thread about downloading music. In every single one, without fail. And when I see one of these thread I think about all the great new music I listen to and discover every week. Great music is being released every day. By companies within the RIAA (yes even the RIAA releases good music, OH THE HORROR, but since it's released by the RIAA it must suck, right?) and by indie labels.
Could it be that you aren't really that interested in discovering new music anymore? Could it be that you don't care enough to make an effort? Everyone complains that they only hear crap music on the radio and on MTV but they still don't make an effort to find the gems out there, and they are there, trust me.
For one, they didn't exactly verify the types of movies downloaded, whether the copies were incomplete/corrupted, or whether said movies were correctly titled.
As far as I know, people looking for a good DVD rip or screener will download multiple copies. Also, they'll have to download multiple copies if they find that copy of Spider-Man 2 turns out to be a fake.
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to download more and more copies of linux distros til music and movies are a tiny percentage of downloads ;)
I don't have a TV so if I want to watch a TV I download it. The majority of TV never comes out on DVD and if it does it sure as hell doesn't come out the same week the show aired.
Hollow words will burn and hollow men will burn.
I can't say anything about the number of downloads, but at my university the number of DMCA complaints (by copyright holders) about movies and TV shows has outnumbered the complaints about music files for a year or more.
I find this difficult to believe. It means that just about everyone with broadband has downloaded movies. I guess I'm just a stick-in-the-mud but I haven't and no one I have asked has either.
I think they are pushing the stats to make the situation look worse than it is. By a LOT.
Not that I like people stealing movies, cause I don't. I doubt if any person in a creative art that can be ripped off is much in favor of having their work used and not compensate them for it. Not if they make a living that way.
"Video accounted for 27 percent, up from 25.2 percent, the study will say."
Okay, the 62.5 to 48.6 percent drop for music files was sizable, but video doesn't seem to have increased much at all.
Shouldn't the title say "documents and software overtaking music downloads"? That's the only thing that could be making up the difference. Shoot, it even says that in the last paragraph of the article.
That means you RIAA! Even when we can get it for free we don't want it!
Do you see what I did there?
So I guess there must be a correlation between amount of downloads and the record takings at the box office recently? Quick, let's make Hollywood some more money!
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does this count all the people using apt-get and emerge? Shit, I download some software every week.
I am sure the statistics used to arrive at this conclusion are quite questionable. The sample was probably fudged (it probably was no where near random or large enough to be statistically significant, much less accurate.)so as to show a high percentage of piracy so they'd have something else to lobby congress with to get the Induce Act passes.
It's just a matter of time that DVD capacities will reach the stratosphere, far more space than required by a movie. Therefore why not be able to buy a massive assortment of music all written on the same disk when you go to buy a movie? The store would have a computer where you select a movie or two as well as humungous music collection. You simply select what you want and a disk is created while you wait or for later pick up.
You save all the time you need to wait for downloading. You are assured of the quality. What more can you ask for?
When you consider all the box office records being smashed there's always going to be people buying movies. When they can also just pick up a few songs for a song, no one can lose.
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I got tired of movies turning out to be yet another copy of "Little Nicky" - I swear, *THAT* has to be the most pirated movie of all time. I thought I was getting 5 other full length feature films, but nooOOoo.. I was getting more copies of "Little Nicky."
:P
Adam Sandler would be pissed off if he knew how many times that movie has been grabbed off the net.
And porno flicks? Bah. Every 'effin keyword they can think of, they'll use to describe a stupid short clip promoting some website.
I went old school - getting verified good stuff from friends.
I wouldn't doubt that there is illegal uploading/downloading going on, but I'd have a hard time trust any of the **AAs as unbiased sources...
While the SPI has a good reputation (I think) I can help but wonder if this article might have something to do with a little software company in Washington who has a deep and abiding interest in software- and hardware-based DRM schemes. Hyping the threat to companies from "software terrorists" is a prerequisite for the kind of digital rights infringement that Microsoft and other want to sell the public and content providers.
This doesn't mean that copying isn't happening, just that someone nearby has an incentive to make the problem appear larger than it is.
The MPAA seeks to outlaw broadband internet connections.
The fact that the percentage of all shared files being music decreasing does not mean that less music is being downloaded. Although the OECD has not released their report yet, I would be willing to bet that the actual number of shared music files did increase or stay somewhat level, while the number of video/software shares increased by much more. Percentages don't mean a lot when the totals aren't constant :)
If I go to a website and get a torrent (or if I go to an IRC channel, or even a usenet server) and download a DVD rip / telesync movie, and then I drive down to a theater, pay my $7-10 and never walk through the front door with my ticket, can my subsequent single viewing of the same movie be construed as "fair use"? Can that be the same "time shifting" that's legal for TV?
Say I've got an 8 month old baby girl, and I want to watch movies at home with my wife after our daughter goes to sleep, would the RIAA rather have our movie fare x2 or have us watch stupid sitcoms?
I think what's happening is the vast majority of new bands that get picked up by labels have a couple good songs which get a lot of polish in the studio to sell the CD. But in the more 'nitch' markets (death metal, trance, etc) you find far more consistent offerings. Since it's harder to sell a disc in those genres I don't think they get the same kind of money invested. With less money, the artists need to be a little more dedicated to doing the best they can so the music speaks for itself. They're not going to be living off a hit single. Maybe the "no good music" argument comes from the overly saturated pop music markets. Ah well, just my take..
How big a head start did music have?
Everyone's already got 10 billion songs. Why would they need to download it anymore? They can just get a couple dvd's worth burned from their friends.
For a nominal fee of course. I mean, I DID spend all that time downloading it for them. I should get paid something out of it.
MP3 et al bitrate 128-256kbps
Connection utilisation 80-100% (I feel cheated if it's not!)
I literally do not have time to listen to it all.
So, I download video.
Broadband definitely makes it easier to download large amounts of data... but when I recall my own history, I was downloading a heluvalot more music in the days when 56 kbps modems first appeared. Back then it was an exploration of all the good music that's out there and that I had never heard before. Suddenly it all became available, waiting only 15 minutes or so for a download. For years I have felt that I have all the 'classics' in my private MP3 collection, and I don't often seek new music. When it comes to mainstream pop I certainly have 'heard it all before' and crave nothing.
So if "the industry" doesn't produce any new music that is worth craving, people don't download or buy it.
One question I would ask is how they are defining music - many "groups" are releasing full albums as archives (zip files, etc) which these investigations may not pick up on if they are filtering on other criteria (mp3, wma)
Everyone seems caught up on the "movie" aspect, but they're also including software-- and, presumably, games from Nintendo ROMS to brand-new disk images. If they're talking about all forms of downloading-- from newsgroups, to torrents, to IRC, etc.-- then I can easily see how all of this would account for more than music.
You also have to wonder if the "1 and 4" really meant "illegally downloaded movies." Some might consider downloading the Paris Hilton video, the Star Wars Kid, the Lightning Bolt! video, the Mario Bros perfect game, the new Red Vs. Blue or that Stryper Parking Lot video "downloading a movie."
And, yes, anyone who's been around since the days of Napster has a 100GB library of every song every published by now. Or could, if they wanted to. I wouldn't be surprised if mp3 downloading was slowing down...
It's the guy or gal who wallows in colone or perfume.
It's the sensory assult that keeps me out of the theater.
Yeah... Netcraft confirms: News for Nerds is dying.
The RIAA has not come out with anything worth downloading, so it's obvious why the practise is slowing. On the other hand doing a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade regularly is common for me.
Hello. "A movie" doesn't necessarily mean "Hollywood blockbuster." A two minute home movie of your kid's birthday is . . . a movie. Not to mention Nick Berg's beheading was widely available for download, but not available from any media outlet.
1 in 4? I'm surprised the numbers are that low.
I heard that. I've got a few dozen gigs of mp3's and there're not much else I actually want - I think I've downloaded maybe a dozen "new" pop tunes in the past two years, and those only for novelty value.
The exception may be classical music - there's always more to sample.
The majority of the movies people download are DVD-rips, thus no longer in theaters. Movies make the vast majority of their money while in theater. Arguing that downloading movies harms the box office is total nonsense. Afterall, the theater offers a service that a heavily-compressed file played on a monitor through some little Altec-Lansing speakers cannot match.
This is not so much the case with home video. The service offered by the industry is the mass replication and distribution of the product. This service can be easily matched by a broadband connection and a good p2p-client.
To expect such high profits from such an insignificant service is ridiculous. Getting the government to form an internet gestapo to protect high profits on such a weak product shows how excessive a pull the industry has with government officials.
If the movie industry was actually threatened by people downloading movies, they would cut distribution of DVD's and VHS's.
You should try to imagine what the movie industry is really trying to accomplish here.
Has anyone considered that the reason that movie downloads have overtaken music downloads is because it is now possible to cheaply download legal music? I don't think it will ever be possible to offer inexpensive software and therefore its piracy would have to be curbed in a different manner, but if the movie industry offered cheap downloads in high definition (say at $2 a pop), software piracy would eventually overtake movie piracy, and the movie industry has yet another revenue stream.
Everybody wins. Bottom line: it pays to NOT treat all your customers as criminals.
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Video files on the sharing services are generally one of these 3 types. I wonder what percent of the "pirated" video falls into each category. I personally have never downloaded any feature films with Aquisition (my pirating SW of choice), but download the hell out of some tv shows. Chappelle's Show, Aqua Teen HF, and Sealab are my personal favs with a few comedy specials thrown up in the mix. I also wonder how illegal my downloading shows is. I could just watch these shows on TV when they come on and tape them, but I would rather have them on my computer for simple ease of access.
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It's not illegal to download a file, or swap it amongst people. It's only illegal if you don't have permission to do it..
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....more like 7000 files, under music alone
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...you actually read the article?
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Remember when it was just song lyrics they were worried about stealing?
...downloading a TV show is still illegal because you don't have permission to distribute the content. On the other hand, its perfectly legal to record it off the air yourself and timeshift it.
Yet another legal quirk that makes absolutely no common sense.
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Well what about places like new zealand where the legal places don't do good music like the pixies Bam Thwok ?
I had to get that by Limewire P2P because iTMS isn't coming here for years.
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These "USA today" brand statistics really need to stop being propogated on slashdot. These numbers obviously consist of skewed garbage. I might be more specific, but how about a link to the actual report poster?
1 out of 4 people reading this post have downloaded at least 350kb of non-mp3 data over the past 15min!
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They are predators. They would rather sue you for 12 thousand dollars and win in court, then get two movie tickets out of you.
IMO anyway, going on what they do and say
they do not care about customers, they care about maximum profits, they don't even care about who or what they represent, that's why you always see these lawsuits between the MAFFIA scammers and the artistes, they won't even play fair with the talen that makes them millions. They think greed is a virtue, suborning politicians is their birthright, and total control their destiny.
in other words, they are *nuts*
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What I don't understand about all of this is how all these piracy apologists here justify downloading by claiming "it's ok because it is open source". It is immoral to copy someone else's work and this tecnical programmer's babble of "proprietary vs free" software is just bunk. When you download Linux you hurt the economy by taking money from Microsoft. When you download the Gimp you hurt Adobe. I'm sick of all these people who think that just because they can write programs they have the right to drive these US Industry Leaders out of business. As I learned in copyright school, downloading is just wrong.
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I have a seriously difficult time believing the numbers generated by the OECD on the subject of western young people's downloading pop music and comic book movies.
These people are serious stuffed shirt economists. I don't think that they have the methodogy or the skills to track the semi-legit world of P2P and the various secretive subcultures asssociated with warez and big time file sharing. I suspect that they are simply repeating highly questionable numbers obtained from dubious sources that have clear political agendas (the RIAA, anyone?)
You wouldn't smoke pot from any of these guys in the OCED, why trust their analysis of P2P usage? I suspect that this is just another example of economists getting bad data from journalists who got numbers from secret sources (the RIAA) who just pulled them out of their ass to get laws passed to make themselves rich.
The OCED should stick to what they do best and tracking the P2P/warez underground is not it.
Care to name some?
:) So -- what are you listening to?
I'm serious -- my music collection is becoming stale, and, hey, a random Slashdotter has as valid an opinion as anyone else I'd be liable to ask.
How do parents see R-rated films? Babysitting costs money, and some families don't have local relatives willing to watch the kids for free. Why don't movie theaters that show R-rated films offer child care?
I read a bit of this study and the one-in-four number is really misleading.
First, they only picked internet users who had broadband (that's less than 50% of US users right now) and second, they only interviewed those who professed to be avid movie viewers.
They did manage to get a good age distribution, 25% in each of four age brackets. I'm suprised they didn't just limit this to males, aged 18-24.
Well, I don't know about you, but if I had broadband and really liked movies, well sure I might download some. The remaining 75% of us probably downloaded considerably fewer movies.
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How can the people who make their recorded music available for download prove that the songs they write and record aren't already copyrighted to someone else?
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you can't download vinyl LPs.
Why believe the report at all? How many people on the Internet now? How large a sample would be necessary to get an accurate picture of whatever average might be? How many countries would need to be covered? Assuming they did get an accurate picture of how people Brazil spend their time on the 'net, would it be reasonable to assume that that's how people in Japan spend their time on the 'net? Forget their answers, how did they pose the question? Volunteers? Surveys? Web logs? Wire taps? I can't think of any legal method for obtaining an adequate sample. Can you?
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If you count all of these infected systems that drop copies of the virus in "Shared" folders (and if my Inbox is any indication there are thousands), then you're not going to get an accurate count of actual software that's being traded on P2P networks.
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"In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart." - Anne Frank
One thing I noticed is that the article didn't mention the word 'Theft' anywhere. It referred to the practice as downloading, swapping, sharing, trading, piracy and copyright infringement multiple times. But it never once used the words theft or steal.
I know that so many people get panties riled up when articles say theft instead of infringe, so I thought it was worth mentioning that this article didn't do that. I dislike using the words theft or steal for this purpose, and the article deserve a little bit of credit for not stooping to that.
:)
I welcome our new 99% overlords.
The article doesn't seem to mention the rise of internet based music stores. Thanks to iTunes, napster, ehum walmart, there is a place for people to download the music that they want online. This surely cuts into the amount of songs that a person can share. Once a person buy's an album online, there is no reason for them to share, especially since (at least with AAC) there is no way for listen to te song on more than a handful of devices.
It was a joke. :)
Did the sarcasm just fly right over your head??
Anyone who believes AOL 9.0 Optimized will make the internet 5 times faster, even just browsing, is crazy.
Joseph?
That Cameron Diaz video has made all the difference!
Another reason video downloads in Europe are more frequent than in the US is that some people dislike dubbed versions of movies and tv-series that are the only one available to them via the "legal way", if they don't want to wait for the dvd.
Yet another point is that a lot of great US series (e.g. Sopranos, other HBO stuff, The Dead Zone) are simply not broadcasted in (at least some) European countries.
As far as I know all the laws deal with distribution not downloading. Why is downloading illegal? forget immoral, I'm talking illegal as in crime to download.
There are laws about distribution, theater cams etc. Laws about breaking copy protection. Which one of these laws covers downloading?
As far as I know, at least in the USA downloading a movie or song may be immoral but still is not illegal. I don't think it can be charged with reciept of stolen property, isn't copyright civil rather than criminal?
Maybe it can be argued it's illegal but is it really? Even the RIAA isn't going after the downloaders, even in the civil courts. So what's up with all the "illegal" stuff in the headlines?
I could not find the OECD report being referred to in the article (maybe a searchspert can help us here), but couldn't this just as well be an indicator of increasing *legal* p2p use?
It's easy to mentally throw in an [illegal] before movies and software in the context of p2p. Did the article author do this too?
Think about it: What do YOU share?
I'm sharing several hundred impossible-to-find/older drivers and freeware/shareware packages that I saved before the manufacturers went out of business and their websites disappeared forever.
I specifically don't share freeware from companies like Adobe/Apple/etc, who's download terms were so all-encompassing that they made me wonder if it's legal to redistribute (unmodified).
There are also quite a few funny/cool videos on my share list. People will line up to see a good Star Wars Kid take-off ALL DAY LONG.
Just because there is more software and video sharing out there does not necessarily mean it's an increase in illegal trading of those types. It could just as well be an increase in legal P2P use, with the lack any real sampling data in the article.
BTW, be smart and *DON'T* run anything (even stuff that looks legal) you download with p2p unless you get the hash from a reliable source (NOT THE SEARCH FEATURE). Think of it this way: You might *read* the sign that the crazy guy on the corner is wearing, but would you *drink* anything he handed you?
But still, I can't think of a week that I've *ever* downloaded 300 megs of music.
I just wanted a bit of music, so I put some crap on download. Three days later, I got "Disk full" and I went "Huh?". Turns out there was some really huge directories in there, and with a fast line... well, to put it short I had downloaded 25gb of music. Of course, I still haven't listened to all of it.
ACing since I sound like some kind of supervillain, downloading gigs and gigs. But this is not that uncommon... Friends of mine that lived there, used to watch movies live from other people's network shares etc., without actually downloading them. Just wait as more get broadband, more get internal networks.
People that have had that kind of connection, kinda want to stick to it. So many young people ( below 30 ) want to have broadband today, it is silly. In 10 years, it'll be all under 40. It is simply a generational shift in progress.
...in the hazy morning after the last Napster orgy, many of us started to think about what we'd done, and went back to buying CDs again.
Personally, I have downloaded a total of about 5 songs in the last 2 years, these days I just buy -> grip -> ipod everything.
The whole downloading thing was a great way to introduce everyone to the idea of digitizing their music and better ways of bringing it into the car (how many CDs have you trashed in your car?), around the house (I use Netjuke to share all of my CDs throughout the house and at work), and pretty much everywhere we go.
I think it's also got to do with the fact that the novelty has worn off.
A few gems that were released this year.
Architect - I Went Out Shopping To Get Some Noise
Fennesz - Venice
Forrest, Jason - The Unrelenting Songs of the...
Kleine, Chritian - Real Ghosts
Lali Puna - Faking The Books
Lippok, Robert - Falling Into Komeit
Manual With Jess Kahr - The North Shore
McLusky - The Difference Between Me and...
Mind Over Midi - Statement
Molina, Jason - Pyramid Electric Co.
Mr 76Ix - Hits Of 76Ix
Pan Sonic - Kesto
Scorn - Versions and More
Sufjan Stevens - Seven Swans
To Rococo Rot - Hotel Morgen
Tortoise - It's All Around You
Trans Am - Liberation
Valley of the Giants - st
Vanderslice, John - Cellar Door
Wharton, Donato - Trabanten
Xela - Tangled Wool
That should keep you busy.