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IBM Adding Almost 19,000 Jobs
cyngus writes "IBM has announced they will add 18,800 jobs worldwide in 2004. They say about a third will be in North America. I don't know how many they have added this year so far. After the new hires IBM will employ about 330,000 people worldwide." More good news for the unemployed techie. Although things are far from the halcyon days of dot-com yesteryear, it's good to see companies doing better.
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Big Blue more like Big Jew am I right here, folks?
I am curious how many of these are outside the US?
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IBM must be shaking in their boots at SCO's legal onslaught, so they are bolstering their defence! LOL
My rights don't need management.
The jobs are only temporary until they move them to India in 2 years time.
In a week I'll be starting a four-year degree in Computer Science. Does IBM hire CS guys? Is doing CS a good idea?
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Didn't they lay of 50,000 over the past 5 years?
So 50,000 american jobs leave. 18,000 jobs come back, but only 6,000 american? "Lift your chin up so I can punch you in the face."
George Bush goes to a primary school to talk about the war. After his talk he offers question time. One little boy puts up his hand and George asks him what his name is. "Billy." "And what is your question, Billy?" "I have 3 questions. First, why did the USA invade Iraq without the support of the UN? Second, why are you President when Al Gore got more votes? And third, whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden?"
Just then the bell rings for recess. George Bush informs the kids that they will continue after recess. When they resume, George says, "OK, where were we? Oh, that's right, question time. Who has a question?" Another little boy puts up his hand. George points him out and asks him what his name is. "Steve" "And what is your question, Steve?" "I have 5 questions. First, why did the USA invade Iraq without the support of the UN? Second, why are you President when Al Gore got more votes? Third, whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden? Fourth, why did the recess bell ring 20 minutes early? And fifth, what the heck happened to Billy?"
shut the fuck up cowboyneal. when is the last time you actually had to look for a job? what the hell do you know about real tech work? fuck off.
It was not that long ago IBM was laying people off...
u 072701s1.shtml / 31/ibm-layoffs.htm
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/projects/ibm/b
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinvestor/2002/05
But best to have a job for a year or two than not one at all.
it's good to see companies doing better
:)
Being an employed-almost-techie(analyst), I would say that it seems a serious trend since maybe 12-18 months that companies are making more and more investment in IT.
Hope this will last!
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I guess open source does create jobs! Well, in terms of linux support services. I think a huge area of growth is going to be people with solid knowledge and experience helping companies switch to linux and other open source software.
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Interesting, it appears most of the jobs are consulting related. Polish up your Linux skills boys and get those resumes up to date.
Hopefully some of these jobs are entry level positions for recent graduates, or internships and cooperative education positions.
Its good to see something's starting to click again in the IT industry. I am a near-graduate IT student looking for work and news like this is an encouragement. Lets hope that this Bubble: Service Pack 2, doesn't crash like the first one did. Lets just hope other major companies such as Microsoft, CSC, and Compaq/HP follow IBM.
CS is a good idea, for the right person.
You have to understand that a university degree is going to become a part of you, and hopefully refine talent you allready have. Once that matter becomes clear it should be a hard time convincing you why not to start a four-year degree, depending of course on how expensive it is to acquire. I pray you use something other than Microsoft Windows?
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There was a time when some people would look down on the idea of working for IBM because they seemed stuffy and out of step with the market. Now they're a hot spot for job seekers again
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
I BLAME BUSH!! I mean why the hell is he making IBM hire people!? Bush is so stupid..
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They say about a third will be in North America.
Stop outsourcing our great Indian jobs to North Americans!
Okay, this is getting tiring. Why is it that every story that has the word job anywhere has to contain "dot.com hay day" of the late 90's. I know that Tech's been in a slump but it seems kind of useless to keep hanging on to that short 5 year period.
Get over it people.
**watches troll mods fly**
I started a contract job @ IBM just last week, Linux cluster work. In RTP btw.
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I work at IBM and I don't see nor hear anyone hiring ..
in the local site ( hint : TX )
Me think IBM is hiring outside of US like
Russia, Korea, Australia, GreenLand, etc...
Or jobs they pick up from outsourcing deals? If schlotsky house of bacon outsources its IT dept to IBM, and transfers 500 employees to IBM, that aint job creation, but it is increasing IBM's headcount.
Maybe you were thinking about this and just added a zero?
I realize that it's very important to the Kerry campaign to emphasize that (1) the economy is not doing well despite the tax cuts and (2) the war in Iraq is not doing well and should never have happened, but (1) won't fly and (2) is debatable.
Don't blame me -- I'm voting for Nader.
Because I live in MA.
everything in moderation
Major in marketing, business, or communication. Minor in CS if you insist.
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Geek skills can be learned, business speak and marketing wonkedness (yep, just made that up) cannot be learned because they are unrelated to the actual "Business" and "Marketing" techniques that work. They must, therefore, be taught in believed in along the lines of other religious zealotry.
I leave it to you to figure out which parts of this message are pure sarcasm and which are serious.
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IBM has announced they will add 18,800 jobs worldwide in 2004. They say about a third will be in North America.
And they are all lawyers to fight SCO.
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I know from personal experience that IBM employ a LOT of people that are only there because of IBM's previous "Redeploy, not redundancy" policy. I worked in teams where hundreds of people spent their day printing out online forms, then typing them into another online form.
It seemed that they were creating jobs just to keep people there, when I was pushing for working smarter, and laying off 70% of the staff.
I wasn't popular.
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What a load of shit. You think things are better? Come down to Austin, buddy. The job market is for shit. Most people I know who were employed in that field are lucky to get a job waiting tables. You must be one of those guys who thinks GW is doing a great job and that we have "turned the corner". Those job reports are crap anyways, as everyone tries to put their own little spin on it. All I know is that everyone was doing a lot better 4 years ago. Sure, it was inevitable that the market would correct itself. But letting companies offshore jobs and not pay taxes becuase their "headquarters' is in the Caymans hasn't helped one bit. As usual, the rich have theirs and they want yours too.
my dad works for ibm and is currently training his brazillian replacement in boulder colorado. and he has worked for ibm for 25 years. too bad those 19,000 jobs are going to be created outside the U.S.
But the IBM news, I doubt it
In the summary it says that about 1/3 of the new jobs will be in North America. I suppose they could mean Mexico or Canada, but I think that the meaning is clear enough.
LK
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Lou Gerstner took over?
OUCH!
6000 Canadians will now get a job! Thanks IBM!!
This is just IBM's contribution to get Dubya shine in a different light. It's just a blip on the radar.
On a napkin at the DNC:
Talking points:
Economic recession *scratch scratch* Jobless recovery *scratch scratch*
...as a result of the 19,000 gain. If 30,000 people lost jobs from companies that IBM is doing enterprise services for then this is a net loss in the bigger picture.
In fact, if all you do is drink beer and play hockey, I'd question your ability to actually produce shit. Piss, certainly. But shit? Something to ponder.
18800 more people to drop the ball on my projects.
The bad news: 35,000 of them will be in India
Ah, but master, how can the fish learn that it swims not in water as simple sense would dictate, but in a thick morass of syrupy make-work whose properties change as quickly the fashions of MBAspeak?
You speak in riddles, master. The fish does not learn this, rather it believes lies. All the tish in the ocean have to also believe these lies for their system of stupidity to work, dysfunctionally though it may. This is why market wonkery cannot be learned, it can only be believed.
With 2.3 Million immigrants a year, were still losing jobs.
I hope some of them will be employed in Germany. We can need them! ;)
But it's really impressive... employing 330k employers... wow, respect!
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from experience, dell mentioned that they would close their corporate support.
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fact check : they did not. they sent a press release, but the call center offshore continued to grow. brilliant PR. make the folks think they keep jobs in america
microsoft : reported that they wuold add 5000 jobs in R & D last year
fact check : they added 3500 offshore
ibm: most of these jobs are marketing , support and admin jobs. all most all our development, qa, project management jobs have gone.
list of companies exporting jobs, after getting subsidies from tax payers: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight
So a Third in North America? So what is North America? Is it United States and Canada or is it Mexico, United States and Canada? Depending on this definition it will constitute the job growth.
Also note that the idea of hiring this number is to purge the ranks of those nearing their maturation date on their Pentions and Retirement packages. That is they train the next generation before they get the slip. Also note this figure can be altered at a later date due to the recession returning.
People have given up looking for work.
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The Dems are hardly scared of Bush's record.
http://www.centrists.org/pages/2004/03/5_lemieu
However, the continuing decline in labor force participation is troubling. If the labor force participation rate had remained steady at its March 2001 level, there would now be 2.8 million additional people counted as jobless, and the unemployment rate would be over 7 percent.
President Bush says the economy is on the mend. GDP growth has been robust in recent quarters, and few economists predict a return to slow growth or recession any time soon.
Meanwhile, Senator Kerry and former Democratic candidate John Edwards complain that the number of jobs is still down by over 2.3 million since employment peaked in March of 2001.
...and whether they have nice hair.
IBM plans to end the year with more than 330,000 employees, the largest number since 1991.
So it's impossible that they laid off 50,000 in the past 5 years... if it were true, then 1991 wouldn't be the highest with 330,000!
If adding these 18,800 jobs brings them to 330,000, then they must've been at ~311,000 before this announcement. Adding to that your 50,000 in layoffs would imply that IBM had ~360,000 employees at some point in the past 5 years, which isn't possible!
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Um, didn't IBM downsize about 10k US jobs last year? While I appreciate them adding new positions, I think someone's trying to whitewash the facts ;-)
I just quit there. I was treated better in blue collar assembly lines than I was at IBM.
IBM gets business and charges less because they pigeonhole everyone. If you do websphere, thats all you do.
If you do email, thats all you do. It's like working a government job.
It was exactly like the military. If the process says to do the wrong thing, do it anyway.
It's mindless.
Better than unemployment, but not by a whole lot.
...excuse me while I brush off my IMS skillz. Hierarchical Database, what?! DBD, PSB, w00t! Holla...
I know from experience, that at least 1,000 of these jobs belong to "rebadged" employees. I was layed off from a large Fortune 500 company that "rebadged" 1,000 of it's software development staff to IBM. Basically, these 1,000 employees were given the choice of excepting a job with IBM to work on what they were currently working on as an IBM employee or take a severence package. The company I worked for basically sold more that 98% of it's development staff to IBM. Therefore at least 1,000 jobs were NOT created. They were just shifted from one company to another. Although this is supposed to be a 2 year contract, there is no guarantee that these jobs will not move off shore after the contract expires.
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As a result of IBM hiring 19,000 consultants, companies around the world had to lay off a global total of 100 people.
Isn't IBM in the business of helping other companies outsource work?
Business must be good...
John
I dream in binary.
Although things are far from the halcyon days of dot-com yesteryear
A sure fire test of whether someone is a globalist toady is when they compare present conditions to the peak of the dotcom craze rather than to the recessionary periods of the early 80's or early 90's.
It's sort of like if you dared take so much as a 30% pay raise at any time during the period from 1998 through 2000, you are fair chicken meat for the carnal desires of a pod of AIDS neuropathic Scott McNealy clones and their puppet masters.
Seastead this.
I'll take one!
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The last thing IBM needs is more employees without ditching the dead weight first. A good number of the people I work with at IBM are lazy and incompetent. One 'programmer' plays video games and browses the internet all day long. Several have the title of "software engineer" yet they don't even know how to program in any language (one asked what all those dollar signs were when looking at shell script once), or even basic unix knowledge, like what cron is. Some that should know how don't know how and will not learn to administer a unix box on the command line--they must use a graphical control panel. But I suppose you will find a lot of dead weight at any large corporation.
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Methinks you read too much Swift, and watch too much dodgy sci-fi.
So just keep your mouth shut and vote for Kerry...
If I were American, I would vote for Kodos...
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" Didn't they lay of 50,000 over the past 5 years?
So 50,000 american jobs leave. 18,000 jobs come back, but only 6,000 american? "
Yeah who gives a shit about them damn darkies overseas. Fuck 'em. They don't deserve to eat.
If you love computer science / mathematics / problem solving, then go for CS. There will be plenty of time later to round up your skills on the job with business knowledge later.
I am currently an IBM employee. I started as a co-op in 1997 and came on full time in 2000. They still hire CS majors - but they can afford to more selective nowadays due to the current economic climate.
As far as majoring in a non-technical field and then being able to "learn" tech on the job - that's a joke. Most people that try to do that never truly understanding the technical details and struggle in a real technical environment like IBM. IBM won't hire you for a technical job if you don't have a technical degree.
As for the company, I would definitely recommend working for IBM if you are a major in any technical degree. They have some of the best and brightest and the scope of the company's work is very broad = lot's of opportunity to explore various technical challenges. They also have great benefits and pay very competitively...
The spirit of the web was easy to get information, not easy for fuckwads with no clue what they are doing to puke out broken shit pages that don't render properly. You were ALWAYS supposed to close tags unless that tag was explicitly defined as not requiring a close. HTML is just an SGML derivitive, and so has all the same rules. If you are too lazy to learn how to do something, don't do it.
Boeing seems to make headlings of Boeing Hires 10000 for Program X and when Program X is over or cancelled it promptly fires 10000.
IGS makes IT a project based employement opportunity for most and long term career for few.
I've known way too many CS guys that can't write and have to be kept hidden from meetings.
If data structures don't make sense to you, no amount of study is every going to make you good enough to be competitive. A minor will give you the background without focusing on technologies that will be obsolete by the time you finish.
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Many of the jobs IBM will add in 2004 are simply employees from other companies being "rebadged" to IBM in outsourcing deals. Sprint is an example of this. Approximately 1100 Sprint IT workers will become IBM employees in the next few months in a billion dollar outsourcing deal. IBM adds 1100 employees, but they're not previously unemployed tech workers.
Yea? HR Beats Trickery.
Yup, Hungry Losers.
Hardly A New Demographic.
Im not your parent, but thanks for the edutainment.
IBM, UBM we all BM on IBM
You can go to university and learn a very diverse range of things - from CSS to PHP to Java to Prolog (amazingly weird language!) - but in the end employers seem to want experience! Is anyone else seeing the chicken and egg situation I'm in!
... I'd like to be in an environment where I can ask the guy down the corridor how best to write the code to do ...... and I'd like to get up and go to work every morning rather than crawl out of bed and sit at the computer!
I am currently working doing some web design, which I'm very good at, but I need to be in a working environment to learn how to be a software professional, not sat in my bedroom hacking together some web app in PHP.
I'd like to start my career
Nevermind hey - suppose I'd best get on... pfft.
You Americans are just a bunch of selfish assholes (and I mean in general ok, I have American friends and I don't think everyone in the US is like this but it is a general sentiment)
;)
Yea yea yea, get your own IBM. We already broke this one in, and it wasn't easy. With all the anti-trust suits in the 80s, the DOS boondogle that created Microsoft, lack of software for OS/2. Hell, we FINALLY got them house trained, and you want to take them away? It took half a century to get them here, embracing open source, contributing to the community, beating up SCO after it pushed us down in the school yard...
We loved them back when they were as evil as any other company, but its easy to love them now. So yes, we are selfish about it, for good reason. Maybe you should instead vote for your government to lower taxes and offer tax incentives for companies to be created and grow in your OWN country, instead of laying claim to our companies.
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Do you know that "1/3" estimate of employees who will be in North America? Well.. little known fact. A BUNCH of "IBM employees" are listed as being in Colorado and other states.. but are actually located in India. It's a bunch of bureaucratic BS. Their paycheck and "boss" come from the states.. they live in India.. IBM counts this as??? My bet is as a "North American Worker".. Any IBM'ers care to elaborate?
see what happens when you write an article too fast? it should have read:
cyngus writes "IBM has announced they will add 18,800 jobs worldwide in 2004. They say about a third will be in North America. I don't know how many they have added this year so far. After the new hires IBM will employ about 330,000 people THIRD worldwide." More good news for the unemployed techie in. Although things are far from the halcyon days of dot-com yesteryear, it's good to see companies doing better.
"why you tattoring fan sucked doo belly - i have to go buy something to strike you with... excuse me."
I couldn't agree with you more. My "contract ended" a few weeks ago at IBM after I finished training my Indian replacement. The wheels spin so slow at IBM it's insane.
Why do people still compare their jobs and salaries to the "heyday" or "bubble" years or "boom" or whatever. COME TO GRIPS, those years was a drunken party. IT AIN'T COMIN' BACK boys! Come to grips with the real-world. Stop comparing to those years! GEEEZ.
A happily unemployed and not looking for work in IT techie.
Geek skills can be learned, business speak and marketing wonkedness (yep, just made that up) cannot be learned because they are unrelated to the actual "Business" and "Marketing" techniques that work.
I know many successful small business owners (and don't forget that many of mega-corps started out as small businesses) who have great "Business" and "Marketing" techniques without college degrees. Granted, most of the skills I use at work were on my own but the college experience has nevertheless valuable because I was "forced" to take certain classes degree requirements that turned out to be useful later, and it was also a good opportunity to network and socialize.
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How many American IT jobs were lost by IBM's clients and "partners?"
Sprint alone has given the IT keys to the kingdom IBM to the tune of about 5000 jobs, nearly all of which have gone to IBM employees and subcontractors in India. This has been the modus of IBM for going on two years, and a very lucrative one at that.
Just because they ditch 10k and then add back 6k to their own roster doesn't mean the bottom line trend is positive. IBM are still blazing the trail toward corporate profits and eroded US technology strength.
"A good job will be a consequence of your higher level of knowledge."
And yet the reality is that a lot of people are out of work, who do have the education and the experience. There might even be a few who love their work.
Knowing about software engineering early will help you get a job, but you'd learn that anyway, and I seriously doubt any undergraduate level course is ever going to teach you as much about CM or any other S/W process as actually doing it day in and day out will.
And once you get out of college, you will never get another real chance to learn how and why things work.
In college you can learn how and why algorithms work, and not just how to cookbook them into code, which is what you learn in a S/W engineering course.
Lay that foundation right, and you can eventually be a high-priced consultant that comes in to clean up all the dorked up and slow and utterly unmaintainable but oh-so-academically-correct C++ super-object-oriented code that all those college grads with S/W engineering degrees write...
Keep in mind that when scholtzky house of bacon outsources its IT dept to IBM it transfers 500 American jobs to IBM and IBM often has the former employees of scholtzky house of bacon train their offshore replacements in India. I wonder what the typical situation is for most of those former employees in terms of job security, pay and benefits, better or worse than before they were outsourced? What percentage of these outsourced employees will loose their positions when their jobs are offshored?
It makes me wonder how many of these so called 6000 new American jobs could actually be a temporary phenomenon caused by the now lucrative business process outsourcing and offshoring market that IBM is actively involved in....
This all sounds to me more like a self serving corporate propaganda blurb disguised as a serious business analysis of the US labor market. I think it is shameful that corporate press releases like this are often made into headline stories without much analysis or commentary of the message.
994,000 more and we'll be back to the employment levels we had in late '99.
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IBM continues to layoff people, just a few months back they dumped around 4600. They mainly use contractors so they pay bad, no benefits, sick days, and on and on. They just bought a large outsourcing company in India. They keep cutting the retirement programs, stock purchase program and so on. Many they bring on are ITS a employee who is only allowed to work two years for company them have to leave. They are told they can go full time during the two years, but there are huge barriors they make it near impossible. IBM has turned into a services company and most of the services employees are contractors they treat like dirt. The managers make it very clear we are full-time you are contractor dirty. IBM isn't the company they once were.
So, you know Linux? Big deal. Plenty of people know Linux. And the more popular it becomes, the more ubiquitous it will become. When everyone switches to Linux, everyone will know Linux just as much as you do. At that point, no company will pay you $120K for those skills. Remember, it also used to be that you could get a high paying job if you just knew HTML. Heaven knows those days are gone!
A good solid education in computer science is the best tool for getting a job. It tells employers many things: that you can set a difficult goal, that you can work hard for long hours with minimal reward, and that you can maintain your output in the face of the relentless BS that colleges, professors, classmates, relatives, and even friends throw at you. It also tells employers that I can write a business paper, put together a logical argument, understand the "big words" coming down from management, and respond appropriately. In general, it tells people I'm educated, especially since we all know the lack of education that goes on in high school.
On the skills side, a CS degree means that you know something about everything concerning a computer. This includes the hardware down to the transistor level, assembly code, compilers, and other low-level details. It also means you know high-level details like algorithms, discrete math, calculus, and more. If all you know is Linux, then any CS grad could drive a truck through the gaps in your knowledge.
On a side note, as a high school graduate with some tech skills, you would need a minimum of four years to learn all the things those CS grads already know. The majority of college students now take five or sixth years to pick up a degree. So, it might take you longer. However, it would probably take those same CS grads three months to pick up what you know.
You should start showing some respect to your future managers.
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It's called outsourcing, that's how it works.
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
...that you can work hard for long hours with minimal reward...
Are you sure you want to tell your employer that?
"...it's good to see companies doing better."
one company excepted: tfosorcim. you know, that company from dnomder.
yeah, that one.
I hope there in the good old usa. :-) I am not a troll im just saying... Also while i am posting please let me fulfill my $ quota Micro$oft. There i am fucked up again, and posting on /.
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> More good news for the unemployed techie.
> Although things are far from the halcyon
> days of dot-com yesteryear, it's good to
> see companies doing better.
Rubish!! Until IBM rids the American workforce
of L1 and H1B visa workers please don't insult
my intelligence with assertions about how IBM
is helping me, an unemployed and qualified soft-
ware developer. Facts are that American business
has betrayed the American people. Period, end of
discussion. If American business want's me to
believe they are here to help the American worker
then they need to start acting like it which
means implmenting policies that benefit the
American worker. For starters IBM needs to
renounce the use of H1B and L1 workers and send
those people back to where they came from.
Motorola employs 300 programmers here, in Poland.
I've got a good chance to get a job (passed the test, will be interviewed in monday). My chance job would be jr. software engineer (C,Perl,Linux) - is this worth a try? Does anyone here work for Motorola (or worked there in the past?) What are your impressions? Is this a good company for employees?
Right now I have a job in a small-to-medium-size private firm. The salary is acceptable, the work OK even if slightly boring, should I leave if they find me suitable for the job at (M)? What salary could I ask/expect? What specific conditions should I prepare to?
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
IBM Italy didn't confirm 11 employee after a two year "educational" contract last July.
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Yes, It's the first time since 14 years...
(In Italian)
http://www.lomb.cgil.it/rsuibm/2004630.
How are these jobs to be gained?
Are they projections of the number of staff to be gained due to outsourcing deals.
If it is, what is the longterm prognosis for these staff, will they be offshored quickly?
Lies, Damned Lies and statistics.
Sometimes the numbers are not the whole truth.
They're trying to help themselves, because they are a corporation. Capitalism, you xenophobic dumbass. By the way, where are your parents from?
>>Don't blame me -- I'm voting for Nader.
I WILL blame you! By voting Nader, you really are voting for Bush. Already, Nader's biggest funding is coming from big Bush fund-raisers who figure a vote for Nader would have otherwise gone to Kerry!
I wonder how much of that third that will be in North America will be foreign nationals brought in on L-1 visas. American companies with offices abroad are allowed under the L-1 visa program to transfer workers without any of the restrictions of the H1-B, most notably the prevailing wage restriction. So, all a company has to do is hire workers in India, transfer them to the US on L-1 Visas, and pay them the Indian wage. The L-1 visa was originally intended to allow MANAGEMENT personnel to transfer - and the law was passed specifically so that Toyota and Honda could come to the US and build car plants under the supervision of their own managers. Since the law was written so loosely, it has morphed into allowing companies to send over any workers they want. I think this should be a hot election issue this fall because for one it is very unfair to companies who do not have foreign offices and also because the intent of the L-1 visa is not to subvert American jobs. Its unintended effect has been for huge multinationals to circumvent immigration law and also for the US to lose jobs to cheap overseas labor.
ah, but read what I said -- the marketing and business classes from schools are decidedly different from the skills you need in business; the language and an undesrstanding of that background though, must be learned.
FWIW, I am both a small business owner and a developer.
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It implies that there were American's to take all the jobs that were sent overseas.
As for jobs that are marketing, support, or admin. These are all valid positions and should not be discounted just because you or someone else doesn't feel they are the right jobs. I know quite a few people who make a great living in marketing, let alone support or similar.
A lot of companies are overseas simply because to compete overseas you have to have a presence. A lot of people in the news industry ignore this requirement because it does not generate the headlines they desire, let alone drive their own agenda.
What it comes down to is that many people just need to grow up and realize that there are jobs worth taking and its up to them to do so. People, including the media, spend to much time dwelling on the actions of big corporations, many of who are truly multinational, because it makes them feel better when they can create a "Bad guy" instead of taking account of themselves. The majority of jobs in the US are not from big businesses but instead from the small business. Lastly too many people are upset they are offered only what they are worth and not what they think they are worth. Time to move past the selfish attitude and realize they are not the center of the universe.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
there is a need for under-educated
low skill jobs at IBM and they are paying
$7.00 / hour
A lot of those jobs will be leveraged through their new contract with the Dow Chemical Company. see the following: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5294986.html
I grew up in Binghamton, New York, considered the birthplace of IBM. How about sending some of these jobs back their way? They've absolutely decimated that region with job cuts, and left toxic pollution in the ground destroying neighboring land value:
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http://www.talkinternational.com/news/news_envi
Lets not applaud them too quickly.
This means like 100 of them are in the US.. ha ha ha.
18,800 x ~0.3 = ~5,600 jobs in the U.S.
Still good, but we could have done without the inflation.
"We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
As I understand it (from speaking to someone who's just seen it from the inside) the strategy is to aquire rather than recruit. So 6,000 people or so in North America will get their pay from a different company, they're not creating 6,000 new vacancies.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
These aren't new jobs people. What is IBM. IT's a service company. Do you really think they are making money o their crappy hardware? I know several companies which are fed up with their lack luster IT departments and are in negociations with ...yup IBM Global Services to outsource their entire IT department. I also know for a fact that internal certain divisions are being asked to cut headcount. Just as someone else mentioned, I think it was the Slotsky's Bacon House. If they have 500 jobs and outsource to IBM, which then adds these people to their head count...how is this adding jobs? IT's not...you would have to be a retard to think it is.
This is what you are seeing.
/., I of course freely admit that I did not RTFA. so how many of the 19k are to be 'graciously'(I'm sure how they view it) 'given' out in the US(at reduced wages)? I bet it deflates the impact they were going for when they bandied the 19k number about. Probably 18k $1/hr Habibs & 1k $20/hr Joes. BTW, the powers that be are really pushing for their dream of a police state by offering the incentive of $80k starting salaries for police(in Austin, Texas at least). Why think and educate when you can get paid hansomly to be a thug? Time to go beat up some hippies!
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Guess you were there long enough to adopt IBMspeak.
But doesn't burning any organic material produce CO2? It doesn't seem likely to me that non-oil combustion engines would produce significantly less CO2 and other greenhouse gases than oil does.
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Well, I'm one who recently got hired with IBM, and I'm naturally enthusiastic about IBM's new wave of hiring, though, note that it's in the global services and business consulting services (formerly, Pricewaterhouse Coopers Consulting) and not the gee-whiz open source CS/IT jobs that spin the propellers on your heads -- and not necessarily Linux-based at all. Also, IBM has a pretty heavy IP agreement for their employees to sign (ie - they own every idea in our heads and every work of "authorship"). Hopefully I'm able be successful and contribute to IBM's success, though, under this economic climate and as a recent CS graduate, I'm just happy to have a job.
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During my stint at IBM for four years, I saw many people get laid off from one position only to have another position mysteriously open for them to fill. Nine times out of ten this position would simply be labeled as a ubiquitous "project manager" role, where the person would simply get in the way of progress, fill out mindless forms, and be a thorn in the sides of many people. I recall on one occasion a young woman who joined my team as a "project manager" solely for the fact that she was young, relatively attractive, and had some connections with her sisters, also employees of IBM. On one occasion I berated her in an e-mail because it was obvious that she had no qualifications for the position and she was asking for information that was completely irrelevant. My manager asked me why I took such a tone, since, "she needs time to get familiar with the position and gain those skills." Funny, I thought that someone actually had to have the knowledge to get the new job...
Anyway, my tirade aside, IBM suffers a great deal of bloat just due to its sheer size. I was glad to have other opportunities appear.
--Chag
IBM (consulting I guess) adds 1/3 (about 6000) jobs in US.
IBM hires a few contractors for emergency needs in US.
IBM India hires 6000 in bangalore too, extra.
a few months later, those 6000 are transferred over to IBM USA, because ' they could not find anyone qualified in USA'.
6000 US jobs created and filled!
problem solved.
Go ahead guys, price yourself out of the market and act suprised when you don't have a job.
People who think they know everything really piss off those of us that actually do.
Yes it does produce CO2.
But CO2 is actually in a cycle. The current problem is we are digging up oil from the ground, and adding CO2 to the atmosphere - increasing the percentage of CO2.
If, for example, you made a factory that harvests algae to make diesel (an algae plant would most likely be more an industrial than a farming process), guess where the carbon from the algae came from?
It comes from CO2 in the air. Plants (corn for alcohol, algae for biodiesel etc.) all get their carbon from the air. Therefore if you burn the products of plants you've just grown, although you're putting CO2 in the air, it's CO2 that was already in the air anyway because that's where the plant got it from.
We get our carbon from our food, but plants get their carbon from the air. If all we ever did was burn fuels that we got from plants we had just grown, the global CO2 content would never change as it'd be a closed cycle. The energy to do this is coming from the Sun (photosynthesis). Plants get their biomass from sunlight + CO2 in the air.
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I work for one of the companies on the list and I agree with the other posters that the list is misleading. To give you one example, ... we do contracts for British customers through our UK office and those contracts specify that we use British nationals whenever possible. We aren't outsourcing American jobs, we're complying with the British customers requests not to outsource their UK jobs to the US. Of course, finding this out would take too much time and it wouldn't be as splashy a story for CNN ... what ever happenned to real journalism ?